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New Year, New Q&A Episode · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast.
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Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are
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Speaker 2: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they
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Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and best start changing
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Speaker 2: it with the Bechdel Cast.
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Speaker 3: Happy New Year, listeners of the Bechdel Cast.
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Speaker 1: It's me Caitlin, it's me Jamie, and we are entering,
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Speaker 1: if you can believe it, the tenth year of the
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Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast. And as you can tell, the show started
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Speaker 1: in November twenty sixteen. Coincidence but telling. And yeah, things
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Speaker 1: are better for women than ever. Yeah, gender issues have
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Speaker 1: been resolved.
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Speaker 3: Look, we solved them.
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Speaker 1: Look we're here to do a Q and A episode.
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Speaker 1: I'm just sorry we didn't fix it.
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Speaker 3: We didn't fix it.
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Speaker 1: We're doing our best bet year. Yeah. Yeah, we're just
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Speaker 1: two people. So we have done this a number of
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Speaker 1: times over the years. We haven't done it in at
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Speaker 1: least three years, is that right? The last time we
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Speaker 1: did it. It's been a while in which we sort
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Speaker 1: of put the call out for questions to our Matreon community,
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Speaker 1: if you're not aware, hot Plug. For many years now,
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Speaker 1: we've had a Patreon aka Matreon where for five dollars
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Speaker 1: a month, you can get two bonus episodes of the podcast,
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Speaker 1: as well as access to our well over two hundred
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Speaker 1: episodes of back catalog that goes back many, many years.
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Speaker 1: And so we asked the Matreon community for questions around
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Speaker 1: the show as we head into our tenth year. Lots
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Speaker 1: of changes, lots to reflect on, and as is common
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Speaker 1: in the incredible Matron community, they showed up, and they
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Speaker 1: showed up in a big way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, we received many, many questions. Unfortunately we won't have
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Speaker 3: time to get to all of them, but we've selected
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Speaker 3: a few questions that we will answer on this little
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Speaker 3: Q and A episode and I'm excited to dive in.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's uh, it's been eighty four years, yeah,
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Speaker 3: in the podcast, and there's a lot to reflect on.
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Speaker 1: So I mean I think, yeah, maybe in dog years. No,
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Speaker 1: it's been seventy dog years. Oh god, let's not think
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Speaker 1: about that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have to. But why don't we start
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Speaker 3: with a question from Sophia. Okay, this is when we
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Speaker 3: I believe have answered before.
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Speaker 1: But not for a while. I feel like, not for
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Speaker 1: a while, is it it? Yeah? I'd like to hear
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Speaker 1: our respective versions of this story. All eighty four years later.
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Speaker 3: Right, So the question is, how did you guys meet.
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Speaker 1: Wow, meet cute.
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Speaker 3: We had to meet cute. I don't remember a ton
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Speaker 3: of the details. I know that it was at a
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Speaker 3: comedy show in Boston, probably like thirteen or more years ago.
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Speaker 1: Wow, maybe, yeah, I guess, like because I yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing like twenty between twenty twelve and twenty fourteen would
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Speaker 1: have been when this was happening. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And we were at a stand up show and
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Speaker 3: I met you and I thought you were super funny.
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Speaker 3: And then I saw you at various other shows, either
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Speaker 3: stand up or sketch, and I was like, Wow, Jamie's
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Speaker 3: so funny. I want to be her friend. I felt
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Speaker 3: the same. And then we moved to LA within a
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Speaker 3: year of each other. Then years past, and then we
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Speaker 3: and then we didn't become friends really, or at least
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Speaker 3: we didn't hang out until we were both living in
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Speaker 3: LA a few years later. Then I asked if you
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Speaker 3: wanted to do a podcast with me? Yeah, and arrested.
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Speaker 1: History this very podcast. I remember seeing you, I don't
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Speaker 1: remember specifically when we met. I remember doing shows together,
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Speaker 1: but I remember I don't know why. My specific memory
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Speaker 1: of you when before we were friends. Was because I
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Speaker 1: used to work at the box office of now defunct
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Speaker 1: comedy theater Improv Boston in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and I have
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Speaker 1: a strong memory of like, I think you were going
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Speaker 1: into a show, you were hanging out in the lobby
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Speaker 1: with people, and I was working at the box office,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, Wow, she's cool, and that was
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Speaker 1: the whole that's that's the whole story.
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Speaker 3: And you were so true to think that.
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Speaker 1: I was right. I was, My instincts were spot on.
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Speaker 1: And then years passed in but it was nice. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I really feel like, I mean, in the now that
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Speaker 1: we've both been in LA for over a decade, it
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Speaker 1: like really was a life changing link up, truly.
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Speaker 3: Life altering in the best possible way. Yes, yeah, okay.
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Speaker 3: Next question from Kira asks how would you describe the
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Speaker 3: Bechdel Casts different eras since it started. This could pertain
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Speaker 3: to the show's overall vibe or what it meant to
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Speaker 3: you in the moment.
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Speaker 1: I love a Taylor Swiftian question. I mean, I guess
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Speaker 1: for me, I feel like the show has both grown
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Speaker 1: with the times. I feel like, especially because we talk
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Speaker 1: about from time to time, like older episodes that the
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Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast are like embarrassing, we don't like them, and
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Speaker 1: that can be very true, I think objectively, if I
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Speaker 1: was listening to the show and it was not us,
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Speaker 1: I do feel like a lot of our growth is
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Speaker 1: reflective of ourselves as individuals and you know, putting in
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Speaker 1: the work and all that stuff, and also so much
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Speaker 1: of what we've learned from our guests over the years.
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Speaker 1: But I think it also is kind of reflective of
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Speaker 1: the times of like part of why listening to a
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen Bechdel Cast episode doesn't feel great is because
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Speaker 1: it's a past version of ourselves that knew less than
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Speaker 1: we do now.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, I was thinking about it in terms of like,
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Speaker 3: like first we were in our hobby era where we
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Speaker 3: were just doing the show as a hobby.
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Speaker 1: Actively losing money. We were Yeah, I think I remember
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Speaker 1: when we started the show, we each paid Is this right?
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Speaker 1: We were each paying like one hundred and twenty five
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Speaker 1: dollars a month to host this show and pay Aristotle
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Speaker 1: for like stuff because we had free so lower drop
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Speaker 1: listeners we had and correct me if I'm aroun Kaitlyn,
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Speaker 1: we had free recording space at your employer which is
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Speaker 1: now condos.
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Speaker 3: Yes, the Nerdest Showroom is where I was the program director.
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Speaker 3: That was a comedy venue and then also in that
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Speaker 3: space was a podcast studio.
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Speaker 1: Upstairs, which was really cool. I mean I missed that
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Speaker 1: space a lot.
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Speaker 3: Oh rip Nerds. So many good memories.
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Speaker 1: But luckily the community has endured and we're all still
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Speaker 1: even though I wasn't actually, but I felt like I
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Speaker 1: was there anyways, you were a part of the community.
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Speaker 1: I was in the building frequently, but that was when
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Speaker 1: Aristotle Acevedo was but he was kind of doing it.
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Speaker 1: He was helping produce the show, and he was also
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Speaker 1: our our engineering sound engineer. Yeah, yeah, for years, and
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Speaker 1: so we were working with him. And also at the
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Speaker 1: time this feels so ancient history now, we were like
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Speaker 1: paying to host the podcast on Libson. Do you remember that, Yeah,
7:19
Speaker 1: because we had to just pay a monthly fee or
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Speaker 1: something and a website fee and like just random small
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Speaker 1: hosting fees we had to pay like during the first year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And after that we started up our Patreon aka Matreon.
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Speaker 1: That was like a full year later though. That was
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Speaker 1: late twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: For sure, and then it was maybe a year ish,
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Speaker 3: maybe a little less than a year after that that
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Speaker 3: we got picked up by a network how stuff works,
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Speaker 3: so that I think transitioned us into our next era almost.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess from like indie podcast
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Speaker 1: to network show, right, which is an interesting like Again,
8:01
Speaker 1: it's so particular because I guess I was thinking about
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Speaker 1: it in our like in our personal place with like
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Speaker 1: progressive issues and feminism, which has also very aligned with
8:11
Speaker 1: you know, when you're listening to a back to the
8:13
Speaker 1: Cast episode, please show us grace and look at the
8:16
Speaker 1: date it was released. Yeah, because we have taken many
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Speaker 1: l's over the years and rightfully so, and you know,
8:23
Speaker 1: and we appreciate your patients with us and all that.
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Speaker 1: And then and then also like I guess I wasn't
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Speaker 1: even thinking of it, like literally the growth in the
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Speaker 1: podcast industry, because I remember, for a while, I want
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Speaker 1: to say, until like twenty eighteen ninety, the first couple
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Speaker 1: of years we had the podcast, I was having the
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Speaker 1: time of my life. I was always having so much fun.
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Speaker 1: We were meeting all these really cool people.
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Speaker 3: You were drinking a lot of Mike's hard lemonade at
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Speaker 3: the time. That was its own era.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was the Mike's hard Lemonade era was like
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Speaker 1: Jamie was twenty four and going through something, but also like,
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Speaker 1: did you ever feel like I was like kind of
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Speaker 1: like I felt a little ashamed to be like I
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Speaker 1: have a podcast, and everyone was like, uh, okay, what
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Speaker 1: the fuck is that? Like, it's just so weird to
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Speaker 1: think about, because I think in the early years of
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Speaker 1: our podcast, it was just not a mainstream thing. It
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Speaker 1: was still very niche I mean the fact that our show,
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Speaker 1: to my knowledge, was really the only show of its
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Speaker 1: kind and it was two white women talking about movies
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Speaker 1: like that didn't exist. That's absurd. I don't know, it's
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Speaker 1: just like so weird to think about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess because so many people I knew, and
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Speaker 3: by that I mean so many comedians I knew had
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Speaker 3: a podcast. I was like, yeah, podcasts are huge right now,
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Speaker 3: but you know, you're right, Like it.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't like the comedy community I was in at the time,
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Speaker 1: Like I have a specific memory, and obviously they shall
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Speaker 1: remain nameless, and I certainly am the only person in
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Speaker 1: this conversation that remembers us. But I felt it like
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Speaker 1: I was talking about having a podcast. It was like
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Speaker 1: I enjoy podcasting, but like my mom doesn't know what
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Speaker 1: it is, and like I feel like I don't know,
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Speaker 1: Like I love our listeners, but I don't really know
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Speaker 1: who's listening, and like I don't know how to explain
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Speaker 1: the job. And they said to me, well, having a podcast,
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Speaker 1: isn't that embarrassing, And it was like, oh, which is
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Speaker 1: first of all untrue. Having a podcast is embarrassing, And
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Speaker 1: second of all, that same person two years later had
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Speaker 1: one of the most boring podcasts I've ever heard that
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Speaker 1: last of last the year, so you know, it's just weird.
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Speaker 1: And then with the network stuff, yeah, like I guess
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Speaker 1: we are on iHeart podcast now, But it was because
10:40
Speaker 1: a much smaller network we originally signed with got consumed
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Speaker 1: by a larger network, and that's happened. We've seen that
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Speaker 1: happen many, many many times to like our peers of like, god,
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like probably boring if you don't
10:56
Speaker 1: care about the inside podcast stuff. But like, but how
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Speaker 1: like Earwolf was like this independent network that was sold
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Speaker 1: to Sirius XM, and like there were so many examples
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Speaker 1: of that, and our show was sort of you know,
11:12
Speaker 1: taken on that journey, taken taken on that journey.
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Speaker 3: Shout out to the movie taken question Mark, just kidding
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Speaker 3: take it.
11:19
Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to a YouTube concert in Paris. And
11:22
Speaker 1: then something wild happened. Forgot we signed with House Stuff Works.
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Speaker 3: I forgot that's what it was. Yeah, but yeah, and
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Speaker 3: then like, I feel like the pandemic era was its
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Speaker 3: own thing too, where we went from recording every single
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Speaker 3: episode in a studio to having to pretty quickly, you know, adjust,
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Speaker 3: And I think it was a pretty easy transition for us.
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Speaker 3: But you know, we were recording from home and that
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Speaker 3: made like editing a little different, and recording was obviously different.
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Speaker 3: But then it also opened up doors to remote.
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Speaker 1: Yes that were international, and yeah, like which is why
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Speaker 1: I mean, not all podcasts have not all podcasts have
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Speaker 1: done I mean like every I don't know, like the
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Speaker 1: industry is so and podcasts can be anything now, but
12:15
Speaker 1: you know a lot of podcasts have returned to recording
12:17
Speaker 1: in person. We've stayed remote in part because it's like
12:21
Speaker 1: cool to have international guests. It's cool to have guests
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Speaker 1: that don't live in the exact same city. And I
12:27
Speaker 1: feel like it's enabled us to have like a wider
12:31
Speaker 1: range of perspectives because we love la but you know
12:36
Speaker 1: that really kind of limits the types of perspectives that
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Speaker 1: we're getting and yeah, we're super We're super lucky. It's yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was another big shift, and I think like going
12:49
Speaker 1: back to the earlier days, like I think there was
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like it was maybe two
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Speaker 1: years around the time we switched to a network that
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Speaker 1: we were not a research for. We were like primarily
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Speaker 1: a comedy podcast to start. We were not doing a
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Speaker 1: ton of research. It was a lot of off the
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Speaker 1: top of the head kind of stuff. And you know,
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Speaker 1: it's like we're still not we're not writing a dissertation
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Speaker 1: for every episode, and we do occasionally get things wrong,
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Speaker 1: and you know, we're not saying that the research is
13:17
Speaker 1: above reproach, but research being a priority in the show
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Speaker 1: was not an original part. And also do you remember
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Speaker 1: I sometimes forget this how part of the original thing
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Speaker 1: was that like Caitlin's seen a lot of movies, Jamie's said,
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Speaker 1: no movies, like but that kind of went away pretty early.
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Speaker 1: We were like playing games.
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Speaker 3: A if you get yeah, I mean, I think that
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Speaker 3: made sense for our initial launch almost as a as
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Speaker 3: a premise almost because like for.
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Speaker 1: Me, podcasts were more like that too than like with
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Speaker 1: like segments, you know.
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Speaker 3: Segments and then yeah, and also the we're coming at
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Speaker 3: it from different perspectives, like I've seen a bunch of movies,
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Speaker 3: you hadn't seen that many. I mean that was kind
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Speaker 3: of part of the conceit of the show for me,
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Speaker 3: where I was like, I grew up with so many
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Speaker 3: movies that I know are full of harmful, reductive tropes
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Speaker 3: and are sexist and racists and all this stuff, and
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Speaker 3: I wanted this podcast as a way to sort of
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Speaker 3: like reconcile that, yeah, and be like, Okay, well is
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Speaker 3: it okay if I still like these movies, if I'm
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Speaker 3: acknowledging why they're maybe not so great and so, which
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Speaker 3: is like.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of podcasts like I mean, not
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Speaker 1: that we like invented that, but I think it is
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Speaker 1: like a dynamic that to this day is like used.
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Speaker 1: I think it just I didn't mind it, but just
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Speaker 1: after the show ran for a couple of years, I
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Speaker 1: could no longer say I hadn't seen many movies. I
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Speaker 1: had seen many movies, and so I mean it never
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Speaker 1: like we never decided for it to go aw. I
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Speaker 1: feel like it just kind of naturally same with the
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Speaker 1: games where we're just like, oh, I think we're having
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Speaker 1: enough fun just talking about this, or movies that, Oh,
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Speaker 1: here's a change. We've always done live shows. I think
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Speaker 1: our live show model has changed over the years a
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Speaker 1: little bit. It's, I mean, relatively similar. The biggest thing
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Speaker 1: that we've changed is that we used to cover movies
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Speaker 1: that were really depressing at shows or like really dense,
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Speaker 1: and then it would be like fight Club, Yes, yes,
15:24
Speaker 1: which is we stand by the episode, you know, like
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Speaker 1: it was and we had a wonderful guest. The audience
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Speaker 1: was great, but you could feel a moment in the
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Speaker 1: show where it was like either you or I were
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Speaker 1: like reading like three paragraphs of like theory and we're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: we actually have to mostly choose fun movies, which feels
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Speaker 1: so obvious, but we learned it the hard way and
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Speaker 1: more than once, I think they a couple of those
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Speaker 1: times being like, oh, people like this episode, but they
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Speaker 1: maybe don't want to like be like drinking a beer
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Speaker 1: and hanging out with their friends while they're listening to
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Speaker 1: us talk about Fight Club. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: And that's why we did a sh Shrek Tannic tour.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like a Barbie movie tour. And actually this
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Speaker 1: kind of gets to a question coming up later. Movies
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Speaker 1: that are also like fun to like dress up with
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Speaker 1: and like make mrich for, and like I really want
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Speaker 1: to do a Wicked tour, and like, like there are
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Speaker 1: certain movies that we save because they would be really
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Speaker 1: fun live shows.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Star Wars.
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Speaker 1: We just did our Star Wars prequels tour, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: we didn't know that you shouldn't talk about a really
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Speaker 1: depressing movie for two hours in front of a kind
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Speaker 1: of hostage situation live and learn.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so true. Next question comes from Kelly asks how
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Speaker 3: do you find your guests? Do they come to you
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Speaker 3: or do you go to them? I know a fair
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Speaker 3: amount of them are fellow podcasters themselves that you're friends with,
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Speaker 3: But what about the others, Well, Kelly, it's a mix,
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Speaker 3: it's a mix. It depends. Sometimes the guests reach out
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Speaker 3: to us or their reps contact us, and if they
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Speaker 3: seem like a good fit for the show, then we
17:02
Speaker 3: invite them on. Sometimes we will reach out to someone
17:08
Speaker 3: who we would like to have as a guest.
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Speaker 1: Because we're like fans, or because I mean, sometimes we'll
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Speaker 1: so I guess a question that I've seen presented by
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Speaker 1: listeners over the years is do guests pick their own movies?
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Speaker 1: And the answer is, for at least the last five years, yes,
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Speaker 1: Like that model has changed over time. There was a
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Speaker 1: time where we would approach specific guests about specific movies.
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Speaker 1: I think the only exception to that now is if
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Speaker 1: there is a movie that we would really like to
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Speaker 1: cover and there is a writer who has written about
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Speaker 1: that movie and is someone that we know has a
17:47
Speaker 1: really strong opinion on that movie that we would like
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Speaker 1: to explore with them, we'll invite them on the show.
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Speaker 1: There's definitely a handful of examples like that, but by
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Speaker 1: and large, anytime you hear I guess in the show,
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Speaker 1: especially this deep in like a returning guest, it's almost
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Speaker 1: always like in the like last two minutes of recording,
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Speaker 1: we're like, all right, you know, come back anytime you want.
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Speaker 1: And then it will be I'm thinking of like Shelley
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Speaker 1: Nicole about how I feel like at the end of
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Speaker 1: recording with Shelley, she's always like, Okay, well, next time
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Speaker 1: I want to do this, this or this, and then yeah,
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Speaker 1: we'll hit her up or she'll hit us up, and
18:23
Speaker 1: then we'll do this, this or this or like, you know,
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Speaker 1: with repeating guests, it's we always want to make sure
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Speaker 1: that guests are covering movies that they are excited to
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Speaker 1: talk about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to like project a particular movie
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Speaker 3: onto a guest unless they've specifically written about it or
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Speaker 3: posted about it or but otherwise, Yeah, it's like it
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Speaker 3: is almost entirely guests picking the movie that they cover
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Speaker 3: with us.
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Speaker 1: Right. And then, because the show has been on for
18:52
Speaker 1: so long, there are now podcast publicists who reach out
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Speaker 1: to us when someone has a new show launching or
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Speaker 1: promoting something, And if it's someone who were interested in
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Speaker 1: having on the show, or like someone we're a fan
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Speaker 1: of or someone who's been on the show before, we'll
19:08
Speaker 1: say yes and we'll find a thing. So the answer
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Speaker 1: is kind of all of the above. We still very
19:15
Speaker 1: often reach out to people who we just are fans
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Speaker 1: of and would like to have on the show to
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Speaker 1: have we have, you know, our like kind of common
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Speaker 1: stable of returning guests, And yeah, we're trying to keep
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Speaker 1: a mix of like familiar voices and new voices on
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Speaker 1: the show for sure.
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Speaker 3: Next question comes from Sammy. What Hollywood trends of the
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Speaker 3: twenty twenties do you like or dislike?
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Speaker 1: What is what's your? What's your? What comes immediately to
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Speaker 1: mind for you? I'm like, I need to for me
19:50
Speaker 1: pray on this. I appreciate, huh. I appreciate a couple
19:54
Speaker 1: of things. The resurgence of lower.
19:57
Speaker 3: Budget indie comedies, which feel like the kind of went
20:00
Speaker 3: away in like the twenty tens, maybe even earlier. Yeah,
20:06
Speaker 3: at least ones that got theatrical releases and are also
20:12
Speaker 3: funny not to be bitchy, but.
20:14
Speaker 1: No, I mean there was a lot of like I think,
20:17
Speaker 1: kind of focus grouped comedies in the twenty tens.
20:20
Speaker 3: Definitely, there's like the back half of the twenty tens. Yeah, yeah,
20:22
Speaker 3: like studio notes, like high budget but like bad premise. Yeah, comedies.
20:30
Speaker 3: But in the past few years, movies that have come
20:34
Speaker 3: out that I've really loved and I've thought were hilarious,
20:36
Speaker 3: such as Dix the Musical, Twinless, Sorry Baby, Theater Camp,
20:42
Speaker 3: a handful of others. So I appreciate that. I also
20:48
Speaker 3: appreciate that more movies are addressing class in a way
20:54
Speaker 3: that felt like class was also kind of ignored in
20:58
Speaker 3: the better part of the early twentieth century. Twenty first
21:05
Speaker 3: twenty first century is that's so true.
21:09
Speaker 1: It is.
21:10
Speaker 3: Look, you're just like keep going, thank you so much.
21:13
Speaker 3: And we've talked about a few of these movies recently,
21:15
Speaker 3: and you know, their execution happens at rates of varying success.
21:22
Speaker 3: But I appreciate that, like filmmakers are being like, hey,
21:26
Speaker 3: maybe the billionaire class, maybe they're really bad.
21:30
Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings on that subgenre. Yeah, but I mean,
21:35
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I think that the circumstances
21:38
Speaker 1: that have led to lower budget movies getting theatrical releases
21:44
Speaker 1: is interesting. I mean, the positive thing for the twenty
21:48
Speaker 1: twenties is the collapse of franchises. I think we were
21:55
Speaker 1: really in the trenches with the aimless franchises in the
21:58
Speaker 1: twenty tents and in the tw twenties they stopped making money,
22:01
Speaker 1: so they stopped making them. And you know, there's plenty
22:04
Speaker 1: to be worried about in the twenty twenties. I think
22:08
Speaker 1: the trend I dislike is labor issues for those that
22:14
Speaker 1: are like I guess the strikes of twenty twenty three
22:17
Speaker 1: were extremely important, the WGA and SAG strikes. However, they
22:22
Speaker 1: have not really the ways that studios and the industry
22:28
Speaker 1: has responded to those strikes has been to double down
22:31
Speaker 1: in AI and not to you know, find ways to
22:35
Speaker 1: circumvent the winds made by those respective strikes into just
22:42
Speaker 1: like fine, we don't need you. And what that's resulted
22:45
Speaker 1: in is a tremendous amount of dog shit. I feel
22:49
Speaker 1: like it's kind, I mean little less relevant to our
22:51
Speaker 1: show because I'm thinking a lot about TV, but like,
22:54
Speaker 1: how so much TV, Like the quality of TV I
22:59
Speaker 1: think is like really because of how poorly the industry
23:05
Speaker 1: responded to crucial workers asking for basic protections. I think
23:11
Speaker 1: that also applies to the podcasting industry. But I do
23:15
Speaker 1: think that one of the like you're saying, Gaitlin, like,
23:17
Speaker 1: one of the positive cast offs of that is that
23:22
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know if like people blame consumers,
23:26
Speaker 1: like or the industry blames consumers so consistently in a
23:29
Speaker 1: way that just like doesn't scan because people always want
23:32
Speaker 1: to see good stories and like good movies, and like
23:36
Speaker 1: all of the movies you listed are great examples of
23:39
Speaker 1: that that are like it's amazing they're getting theatrically released,
23:43
Speaker 1: but they're not being properly promoted in all situations, And like,
23:48
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm very glad that there are still
23:52
Speaker 1: places for people to go for like original stories, because
23:56
Speaker 1: I think people seem really burnt out on franchise stories
24:00
Speaker 1: and that original stories are like being actively asked for
24:02
Speaker 1: by everybody now, Like people get it, and it's cool
24:07
Speaker 1: to see directors and storytellers like hit their stride and
24:11
Speaker 1: be able to like make cool stuff that people are
24:13
Speaker 1: able to see. It frustrates me that it seems like,
24:18
Speaker 1: unless it's profitable, it's always going to try to be thwarted.
24:21
Speaker 1: But like people are finding ways, and I think that's
24:25
Speaker 1: really cool. And I feel like in response to a
24:27
Speaker 1: lot of how shitty the last couple of years have
24:32
Speaker 1: felt in the industry, whether it's like the like how
24:36
Speaker 1: horrible people were treated after necessarily striking after like blacklists
24:41
Speaker 1: around speaking out about gaza, like, there's just been a
24:45
Speaker 1: lot of hits. But I like that, you know, people
24:51
Speaker 1: are responding by like fuck you, let's make something and
24:54
Speaker 1: and and that people want to see those stories. So yeah,
24:57
Speaker 1: the industry is still fucking sucks shit, yes, but people
25:03
Speaker 1: are making really cool stuff anyways, and movie lovers are
25:06
Speaker 1: finding it and that's cool.
25:09
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break and then we will be
25:11
Speaker 3: back with more questions. Next question comes from l is
25:29
Speaker 3: it more fun to cover actually good movies or really
25:33
Speaker 3: bad movies? Listening to the two of you shredding a
25:36
Speaker 3: horrendous movie is always fun, but I wonder if it's
25:39
Speaker 3: also fun for you. The answer is I fucking love it.
25:45
Speaker 3: I have a blast covering horrible movies, even though we
25:50
Speaker 3: might so grown and grumble when say, oh, I can't
25:54
Speaker 3: believe you requested b movie, or.
25:58
Speaker 1: We love the hereuse. We just wrapped our episode on
26:02
Speaker 1: shark Tail and we were like me, it's a part
26:05
Speaker 1: of the performance. Everyone we love watching dog shit. Yeah,
26:10
Speaker 1: that's the end of the sense it's fun. I mean,
26:12
Speaker 1: I think they're they're equally fun, like it is also amazing.
26:17
Speaker 1: We recently recorded an episode with returning guests Angelica Jade Bastian,
26:23
Speaker 1: who's like just the coolest person in the world. It's
26:28
Speaker 1: coming out in the near future. It's about Whatever Happened
26:31
Speaker 1: to Baby Jane, which is a great movie. And I
26:34
Speaker 1: leave recording those episodes feeling like, yes, let's make art.
26:38
Speaker 1: Art is amazing. Yes, I love talking to people about
26:43
Speaker 1: cool art. And and then I also leave with a
26:46
Speaker 1: very different kind of high when we talked about Sharktail
26:49
Speaker 1: for three hours, so it's like you kind of can't lose.
26:52
Speaker 1: It's honestly, the harder part is when we're we're not
26:56
Speaker 1: the tougher episodes. I think that the episodes where you
26:58
Speaker 1: leave with less less of a natural high, like it
27:01
Speaker 1: was fine.
27:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, those mid mid movies.
27:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, but talking about shitty movies, it's the best.
27:08
Speaker 3: I truly love it. The worst the movie the funner
27:11
Speaker 3: I have.
27:12
Speaker 1: In most cases. Yeah, Like I mean, I'm still riding
27:16
Speaker 1: high on that shark tail, on that shark tail fume
27:20
Speaker 1: from earlier, maybe Martin Scorsese Pufferfish.
27:25
Speaker 3: The Titanic is a main character almost, Yeah, the sunken Titanic,
27:30
Speaker 3: if that's the prime location in the movie.
27:32
Speaker 1: If that's not an ad for the Matriarch, I don't
27:34
Speaker 1: know what is exactly.
27:37
Speaker 3: Okay. Next question comes from Amy. Have there been any
27:41
Speaker 3: moments in your podcast discussions that have changed your perspective
27:45
Speaker 3: on a movie or genre? If so, could you please
27:48
Speaker 3: share more about this.
27:50
Speaker 1: I think through talking to you and other guests, I
27:54
Speaker 1: have an I went into I think I have like
27:57
Speaker 1: I had at the beginning of the Backfield cast, kind
27:59
Speaker 1: of like more traditionally feminine taste in movies, which I
28:04
Speaker 1: think it was like a lot of our early dynamic
28:06
Speaker 1: is I love musicals and rom coms, and you tended
28:08
Speaker 1: to love action to venture, and I have a lot
28:11
Speaker 1: more appreciation for genres like action like horror, which I
28:17
Speaker 1: feel like it's just like gotten really, you know, mainstreamified
28:21
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, and I've like been unable
28:23
Speaker 1: to deny it, and even sci fi because I mean,
28:29
Speaker 1: since this podcast started writing, it started writing, I've became
28:32
Speaker 1: a star Trek writer briefly. So I think that the
28:35
Speaker 1: podcast has broadened my perspective and like made me sit
28:40
Speaker 1: with movies I would not normally make myself watch, and
28:44
Speaker 1: it's like in a good way. Like I feel like
28:46
Speaker 1: it has like expanded my understanding of movies and what
28:51
Speaker 1: I like. So I think it's been great for me
28:54
Speaker 1: in that way.
28:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, same because I mean, to your point, we
28:59
Speaker 3: had different tastes in genres, and I was consistently pooh
29:05
Speaker 3: poohing rom coms especially. I feel like, sure, yeah, I
29:10
Speaker 3: did not really engage with and you know, it's not
29:15
Speaker 3: my favorite genre still, but I see them for the
29:19
Speaker 3: merit that they have.
29:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to.
29:22
Speaker 3: Think of specific movies that have that. I like kind
29:25
Speaker 3: of came in with a preconceived notion and then like
29:29
Speaker 3: had my mind kind of blown by our discussion. I'm
29:33
Speaker 3: sure there are examples of this, but unfortunately I no
29:36
Speaker 3: longer have a functioning memory.
29:39
Speaker 1: Well, I think that there's just been a lot of
29:41
Speaker 1: examples over the years of like me going in being
29:44
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to be into this based on genre,
29:47
Speaker 1: and then I've left very surprised and like excited.
29:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, next question comes from Rory. How do you feel
29:57
Speaker 3: about separating the artist the art i e. The movie,
30:02
Speaker 3: and the individuals who made it. Have your views on
30:05
Speaker 3: this changed over time? This is a great question that
30:10
Speaker 3: I have very complicated feelings about, still sure where you know,
30:16
Speaker 3: there are movies that I especially ones that I have
30:20
Speaker 3: nostalgia for, in nostalgia can be a pesky emotion, but
30:27
Speaker 3: there are movies that were made by bad people or
30:31
Speaker 3: that star bad people that I grew up with, and
30:36
Speaker 3: I have a hard time letting those go, and I
30:40
Speaker 3: don't want to necessarily give those movies up. But I mean,
30:45
Speaker 3: the whole kind of premise of this podcast is, you know,
30:49
Speaker 3: acknowledging the things that are problematic about a movie, and
30:54
Speaker 3: that might include who is behind the camera or in
30:58
Speaker 3: front of the camera and acknowledging that and talking about
31:02
Speaker 3: it and talking through it. So that's something at least
31:07
Speaker 3: that we do because a lot of people don't even
31:10
Speaker 3: get to that step of acknowledging well.
31:12
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people too. And again
31:14
Speaker 1: this isn't like I'm not thinking of anything in particular,
31:17
Speaker 1: but like I think that there is a common sort
31:22
Speaker 1: of conflation that I've been guilty of myself. So I'm
31:25
Speaker 1: not saying that we've never done this on this show,
31:28
Speaker 1: because I think we definitely have. But like conflating acknowledgement
31:32
Speaker 1: with throat in the trash, it's completely culturally useless. And
31:37
Speaker 1: I've I mean, there's like creators that I really enjoy
31:40
Speaker 1: who really tense up at the acknowledgement, even if it's like, well, no,
31:45
Speaker 1: I like this movie, but like we can't not acknowledge right,
31:52
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.
31:53
Speaker 3: Well, to your point, like people's mileage varies on this significantly,
31:59
Speaker 3: where people if anyone has been you know, outed as
32:03
Speaker 3: a predator and they made a movie or they started
32:05
Speaker 3: a movie, people will completely disengage with those movies and
32:11
Speaker 3: refuse to watch them. And that's fair.
32:13
Speaker 1: Totally, I mean, and there are certain I think it's
32:15
Speaker 1: so tricky because there are I mean, like this is
32:19
Speaker 1: the most obvious example, but like I don't want to
32:22
Speaker 1: cover Woody Allen movies on this show, Like I don't
32:25
Speaker 1: want to think about him. I don't want to engage
32:28
Speaker 1: with his work because he is so completely repugnant. But
32:32
Speaker 1: I do think a part of it, for me at least,
32:35
Speaker 1: is that you can feel that in the art. To me, totally,
32:40
Speaker 1: you can feel why I don't want to engage with
32:43
Speaker 1: his work in the stories he tells. Yeah, when that's
32:46
Speaker 1: not true, I think is when it gets again I'm
32:49
Speaker 1: not thinking of anyone in particular besides fucking Woody Allen.
32:53
Speaker 1: But like, I think that when it where it feels harder,
32:57
Speaker 1: is like if it is specifically, if it's like an
33:00
Speaker 1: actor who did not write or direct the movie, right,
33:04
Speaker 1: that can feel very tricky. And I mean, there's no
33:07
Speaker 1: wrong way to approach this. They really it's like a
33:10
Speaker 1: very personal thing. And I think that it certainly, like
33:13
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I was a lot more like
33:16
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess unnuanced in how I thought
33:18
Speaker 1: about it, and and I'm not even like mad that
33:22
Speaker 1: I felt that way. I was like, yeah, good for her,
33:24
Speaker 1: you know, like fuck that guy, fuck that movie. But
33:28
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, yeah, it's just like a very
33:30
Speaker 1: individual thing, and it's like it's it's hard for me
33:34
Speaker 1: to like, especially if it's like whatever, someone that you
33:36
Speaker 1: volunteer with, someone who gives back to their community, someone
33:38
Speaker 1: who really considers other people, and they're like, but I
33:41
Speaker 1: really enjoy X movie. You're like, well, I'm not gonna
33:45
Speaker 1: say like you're a bad person. What I mean like, yeah.
33:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think a hard and fast line
33:52
Speaker 3: for me is I will not spend money on movies. Yes, yeah,
33:58
Speaker 3: bad people are involved with.
34:00
Speaker 1: You have to steal it, you have to dot ru.
34:03
Speaker 3: Luckily I already own on DVD many movies made by
34:07
Speaker 3: problematic people that I like, Yeah, I won't spend money.
34:11
Speaker 3: I won't like go to like if there's a screening
34:14
Speaker 3: of that movie. I won't spend money on a ticket.
34:17
Speaker 3: I won't rent a movie or buy digitally, like, I
34:22
Speaker 3: won't spend money.
34:24
Speaker 1: That's I think like an excellent sort of like standard
34:27
Speaker 1: bearer for it. Because it's like you cannot help the
34:30
Speaker 1: movies that affect you, and you can't help how people
34:33
Speaker 1: in your life feel about you feeling that way. Like
34:36
Speaker 1: I think that over time, even in like our friend group,
34:40
Speaker 1: it's like there's just like disagreement on certain movies, certain
34:43
Speaker 1: cultural figures. I've gotten into it with partners too, of like, well,
34:49
Speaker 1: I don't really like watching this person's work because of this,
34:52
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, I, you know, like they don't
34:54
Speaker 1: feel the same way. It doesn't make either of us
34:57
Speaker 1: bad people, you know, Like, like, especially especially around the
35:01
Speaker 1: Mean Too movement, I feel like I felt very I mean,
35:04
Speaker 1: I felt very, very strongly about a lot. But it
35:07
Speaker 1: was it's so hard because I we were obviously like
35:12
Speaker 1: we were a show as that movement was kind of unfolding,
35:16
Speaker 1: and we were very much in conversation with it, and
35:19
Speaker 1: it was very I don't know, for me at least,
35:22
Speaker 1: it was like a very cathartic time to be recording
35:26
Speaker 1: because it felt like, you know, we've been working on
35:28
Speaker 1: the show for over a year at that point, and
35:32
Speaker 1: we'd been you know, in the world for much longer,
35:36
Speaker 1: and it was very cathartic to feel like people are
35:39
Speaker 1: finally taking the kind of issues that we have seriously.
35:44
Speaker 1: And I think that that energy and that Catharsis was
35:47
Speaker 1: so like, wow, things have changed. That when they didn't
35:51
Speaker 1: actually change and then when they actually started to actively regress,
35:55
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well what do we do now? You know,
35:58
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it's so tricky because it's like
36:02
Speaker 1: it in a world where it's like you want to
36:04
Speaker 1: remain consistent and steady in your personal convictions and also
36:11
Speaker 1: not prevent conversations from starting from people who do not
36:15
Speaker 1: feel one to one exactly as you do. And I
36:17
Speaker 1: know that that's a tricky thing because I'm not saying
36:18
Speaker 1: like we should all hang out with our Republicans and
36:21
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, Like that's not what I'm saying. It's
36:23
Speaker 1: just like part of what I love about this podcast
36:25
Speaker 1: is that it is a place to actually talk about
36:29
Speaker 1: this stickier stuff in a way that isn't like, I
36:33
Speaker 1: don't know, in a way that feels safe and good
36:37
Speaker 1: and I don't know separating the art from the artists,
36:39
Speaker 1: The answer is, oh fucking no. I mean there's I
36:43
Speaker 1: think it's different for everybody, and I think Caitlin, your
36:47
Speaker 1: rule is like if you have an issue with an artist,
36:51
Speaker 1: don't give them money. Don't give them money.
36:53
Speaker 3: Because in a capitalist society, money is the language that
36:58
Speaker 3: speaks the loudest. So if you withhold your money, if
37:01
Speaker 3: you spend it somewhere else, like, these are the things
37:03
Speaker 3: that end up, unfortunately mattering at the end of the day.
37:07
Speaker 3: And as long as we live in a capitalist healthscape.
37:10
Speaker 1: And also just like prioritize, I think a lot of
37:13
Speaker 1: like it's important what you say, it's more important what
37:16
Speaker 1: you do. So I think that there's whatever, Like I'm
37:20
Speaker 1: thinking more like peak Twitter before everyone, you know, before
37:23
Speaker 1: a fascist spot and everyone fucked off. But stating you're like,
37:28
Speaker 1: it's it's important to state your personal convictions is just
37:31
Speaker 1: as important to act those out in the real world.
37:34
Speaker 1: And so is it a more productive use of your
37:36
Speaker 1: time to go volunteer in your community then to get
37:39
Speaker 1: into it with a stranger online. About separating the art
37:43
Speaker 1: form the artist in a very specific case, like frankly, yes,
37:48
Speaker 1: like go outside and do something and like I and
37:53
Speaker 1: and make your own art too, like you know it.
37:56
Speaker 3: I don't know.
37:56
Speaker 1: Sometimes it just feels like I don't want to I
38:00
Speaker 1: don't want to think about Woody Allen anymore? You know,
38:03
Speaker 1: I want to debate. Oh can we watch Anny Hall?
38:05
Speaker 1: I watching that ship? We love Diane Keaton, So we
38:09
Speaker 1: covered the Family Stone. It's honestly that fucking simple.
38:14
Speaker 3: Fy yep, Okay, next question comes from Donna. I'man what's
38:22
Speaker 3: been your favorite movie you two covered this year? What's
38:26
Speaker 3: been your favorite movie you saw this year? These are
38:30
Speaker 3: definitely different answers, same answer for me. Oh wait, what's
38:33
Speaker 3: your answers favorite movie I saw this year? I have
38:38
Speaker 3: a few, okay, and I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to
38:42
Speaker 3: ones that came out this year as well.
38:44
Speaker 1: Just everybody says like, and I'm gonna sing them in
38:47
Speaker 1: a rap.
38:49
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna stick to the ones that came out
38:52
Speaker 3: this year.
38:53
Speaker 1: Okay.
38:53
Speaker 3: I loved like I mentioned, Sorry Baby and Twinless. I
38:57
Speaker 3: loved Sinners. I really enjoyed Weapons. Hell yeah, I really
39:02
Speaker 3: enjoyed one battle after another. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.
39:07
Speaker 3: But oh and I just saw Marty Supreme and by
39:11
Speaker 3: came out this year, I mean came out in twenty
39:13
Speaker 3: twenty five favorite movies we've covered on the podcast this year,
39:19
Speaker 3: and I will clarify that these are not necessarily my
39:22
Speaker 3: favorite from a Bechdel cast lens. These aren't movies that
39:24
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, they fared so well on the nipple scale,
39:28
Speaker 3: But these are just personal favorites of mine. Dracula, The
39:33
Speaker 3: Francis Ford Coppola, One Shawshank, Redemption, Holes, Oh Brother, Where
39:38
Speaker 3: Are Though? Those were three movies from my birthday month,
39:41
Speaker 3: so stands to reason that they're some of my favorites.
39:44
Speaker 3: We covered the Before trilogy this year this year, Yes,
39:47
Speaker 3: that was a big one for me, and then also
39:49
Speaker 3: Banshee's of Venisharin Yay, how about you, Jamie, So reason
39:54
Speaker 3: I think you've prepared for this episode worth early than I.
39:57
Speaker 3: So I did not have a prepared list locked in letted.
39:59
Speaker 1: I think for me it is off the top of
40:01
Speaker 1: the head. The same answer for both questions. A favorite
40:04
Speaker 1: movie I saw for the first time this year. Favorite
40:06
Speaker 1: movie we covered this year both Amadaas Wow, kind of
40:10
Speaker 1: no contest. Amadea's Fucked My Shit Up this year. I
40:15
Speaker 1: really enjoyed getting into men being bitches Cannon this year
40:21
Speaker 1: to the point where I wrote my own and we're
40:24
Speaker 1: making it. I really yeah. Amadea's was really stuck with
40:28
Speaker 1: B movies that we covered this year or I saw
40:32
Speaker 1: for the first time. I also really liked Sorry Baby,
40:35
Speaker 1: I really liked. If I had likes, I'd kick you.
40:38
Speaker 1: Thought that movie fucking ripped. Although it is a stressful watch.
40:44
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed covering whatever Happened to Baby Jane, recently
40:48
Speaker 1: seeing ry Lane for the first time, seeing the Before
40:50
Speaker 1: trilogy for the first time. Those are really good. I'm
40:54
Speaker 1: just like scrolling through my letterbox, I'm like, what else
40:56
Speaker 1: did I really love this year? No Other Land was terrific?
41:01
Speaker 3: Ah?
41:01
Speaker 1: What the hell?
41:03
Speaker 3: Oh?
41:04
Speaker 1: And a great documentary that if you ever get the
41:06
Speaker 1: chance to see it, you should. It hasn't been widely
41:08
Speaker 1: released yet, but I hosted a screening Is So Good
41:11
Speaker 1: called American Theater. It was really really good. I saw
41:15
Speaker 1: Mikey and Nikki for the first time this year. That
41:17
Speaker 1: was really fun. I really really I feel like, Yeah,
41:21
Speaker 1: I saw Sinners and shin Godzilla the same week. That
41:24
Speaker 1: was awesome.
41:25
Speaker 3: Yes, Shin Godzilla. I saw that this year too.
41:28
Speaker 1: Really really enjoyed it. Yeah. I don't know, I had
41:31
Speaker 1: a fun I had a fun movie year. Yeah, But
41:34
Speaker 1: I think I think for me all time movie that
41:38
Speaker 1: we covered and I saw for the first time. It's
41:41
Speaker 1: gotta be Amadaeus from fucking nineteen eighty or whatever, that
41:46
Speaker 1: forty five year old movie. It fucked my shit up
41:49
Speaker 1: this year. I loved those two bitches facing off. I
41:53
Speaker 1: loved this so bitchy.
41:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome. Next question comes from Maren. What's a movie
42:03
Speaker 3: that you would like to recover from earlier in the
42:07
Speaker 3: podcast to speak back to our first or second question
42:12
Speaker 3: on this episode. You know, things from the first couple years,
42:18
Speaker 3: kind of anything from that era and.
42:21
Speaker 1: We and to be clear, that's nothing against our guests,
42:23
Speaker 1: we just didn't know what we were doing yet.
42:25
Speaker 3: We were little babies.
42:27
Speaker 1: I would love to recover the Wizard of Oz same, yeah,
42:30
Speaker 1: especially in light of wick Head so true.
42:34
Speaker 3: A couple others that come to mind would be clueless.
42:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd be fun to cover again.
42:39
Speaker 3: I think Mean Girls. I think Dirty Dancing deserves a recover.
42:43
Speaker 1: Dirty Dancing as our first live show. Yes, maybe film
42:48
Speaker 1: and Louise American Psycho we covered pretty early in our matrearch.
42:53
Speaker 1: I would love to recover that. Yeah. I think that
42:57
Speaker 1: there's just like a lot of movies from our first
42:59
Speaker 1: two three years that we would be able to speak
43:02
Speaker 1: to more intelligently. Now that would hopefully be and also,
43:07
Speaker 1: of course Titanic again, well, well again again.
43:11
Speaker 3: Among the questions that matrons submitted, people also threw in
43:17
Speaker 3: a few different movie requests. So if people listening right now,
43:23
Speaker 3: if you have any specific movies you're desperate to hear
43:26
Speaker 3: us talk about, any specific guests, please always give us
43:31
Speaker 3: your recommendations. But at least one person was like, what
43:36
Speaker 3: happened to your annual Titanic episode? You didn't do one
43:39
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five.
43:41
Speaker 1: Look, times were hard, it was bad. No, we we
43:45
Speaker 1: fucked up. Frankly, we fucked up twenty twenty six.
43:48
Speaker 3: It won't happen again, never again.
43:50
Speaker 1: It won't happen again, and we are sorry we failed you. Yeah, yeah,
43:55
Speaker 1: I think really like you name it from the first
43:57
Speaker 1: couple of years. We we do it again if it
44:01
Speaker 1: was a movie we felt strongly enough about. Because we're
44:04
Speaker 1: just different people. We don't know those people, those bitches,
44:09
Speaker 1: those bitches couldn't even read got we gotta do it again?
44:13
Speaker 3: We do Okay, next question, there's only a few left.
44:20
Speaker 3: This comes from Dora. Are there any specific movies you
44:24
Speaker 3: would not cover on the cast?
44:27
Speaker 1: Oh?
44:28
Speaker 3: And if so, why.
44:29
Speaker 1: I'm gonna separate whoa double separation incoming. I'm gonna separate
44:33
Speaker 1: this from separating the art from the artists. There are
44:35
Speaker 1: certain like specifically like directors and writers whose work we
44:39
Speaker 1: are just completely disinterested in. But I'm going to more
44:42
Speaker 1: focus on I think that there are occasionally there are
44:45
Speaker 1: movies that one of us will pitch the other that
44:48
Speaker 1: the other will say no to because it's too annoying.
44:50
Speaker 1: There are some movies that, like you have reviews. There
44:53
Speaker 1: have been movies I've refused. I'm trying to think of
44:55
Speaker 1: what they are though. Okay, I think you always say
44:58
Speaker 1: no to the Polar Express. You're like any anything else,
45:00
Speaker 1: anything but the Polar Expressed. You just rejected it last month,
45:04
Speaker 1: even though I'm pretty sure it won.
45:08
Speaker 3: We should have covered it next year, I promise. Look,
45:11
Speaker 3: I promise.
45:12
Speaker 1: I know next year we're doing is. We don't have
45:15
Speaker 1: to do it.
45:16
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. To me, anything is fair game. And
45:19
Speaker 3: even if I again grown and grumble about a specific movie,
45:25
Speaker 3: there's very little that's off the table for me. But yeah,
45:30
Speaker 3: I know there have been times where I'm like, hey, Jamie,
45:33
Speaker 3: and it's not even movies that I like. Well, first
45:35
Speaker 3: of all, I was like we should cover Anaconda to
45:38
Speaker 3: line up with the reboot that's coming out, and you
45:42
Speaker 3: did not seem interested in that, even though I've never
45:44
Speaker 3: even seen them.
45:44
Speaker 1: Well, I also, I think I also don't because we
45:48
Speaker 1: used to cover a lot of like movies that were
45:49
Speaker 1: being rebooted. But I feel like reboots don't even do
45:52
Speaker 1: well at the box office. So I'm like, I don't
45:53
Speaker 1: want to watch a movie I don't like for a
45:55
Speaker 1: movie no one's gonna see.
45:56
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you something. I took it upon
45:58
Speaker 3: myself to watch the original Anaconda for what, well, for fun,
46:05
Speaker 3: and it was very fun. It rocked.
46:07
Speaker 1: I'm sure I would actually like it. Well. Something I
46:10
Speaker 1: recently rejected was you were like to celebrate the release
46:14
Speaker 1: of what is it?
46:15
Speaker 3: Uh?
46:16
Speaker 1: I'm dying up here now. That was a TV show?
46:18
Speaker 1: What was it called? Is this thing on? It's being on?
46:22
Speaker 3: The will arn't a stand up comedy movie.
46:24
Speaker 1: I said a hard note to any movies about stand
46:26
Speaker 1: up comedians because they make my skin crawl.
46:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't do it, and that's fair.
46:31
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
46:31
Speaker 3: Even though there's that one with Sally Field that I
46:34
Speaker 3: think would give us a lot to talk about.
46:36
Speaker 1: But I respect, I would be open to a Sally
46:39
Speaker 1: Field Jewry because I feel like we've actually, like Sally
46:42
Speaker 1: Field has been it because she was also in Fucking
46:45
Speaker 1: is It norma normal gene right, like the Big the
46:49
Speaker 1: Big Labor movie. Like she she has such a great filmography.
46:52
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a good matreand theme.
46:54
Speaker 3: Okay, Sally Field March.
46:56
Speaker 1: Sally Sally Field March. Because Natalie Portman is been discontinued
47:00
Speaker 1: on our on our show, It's I kind of like
47:04
Speaker 1: movies that that one of us is just like, ugh, ugh,
47:07
Speaker 1: life's too short. Life's too short to watch movies about
47:10
Speaker 1: stand ups and or the Polar Express.
47:13
Speaker 3: You're not wrong? Okay. That brings us to the next
47:18
Speaker 3: question that Michelle asks as a certifiable Wicked Stan When
47:24
Speaker 3: are y'all gonna cover the movies Jamie.
47:27
Speaker 1: To tour tour? I mean, well, I guess this takes
47:34
Speaker 1: us back to the previous question. I would be so
47:37
Speaker 1: much fun. Our outfits would be so fun. I yeah,
47:42
Speaker 1: I mean, we're we've got to cover Wicked one way
47:44
Speaker 1: or another. I'd love it to be at a live show.
47:47
Speaker 1: But if if you disagree, then then then name a
47:51
Speaker 1: more fun movie about two women. Then We're Wicked that
47:55
Speaker 1: we haven't covered already, because what is it? Any other
47:59
Speaker 1: billion dollar movies about two women? Right now? Not thinking of.
48:03
Speaker 3: Any pondering interesting.
48:09
Speaker 1: I just want to dress up like Glinda, and so
48:13
Speaker 1: that is. And I also love Wicked one, and I
48:17
Speaker 1: will not be sharing my opinions on Wicked for good
48:20
Speaker 1: unless I'm being paid to do it. But Wicked one,
48:23
Speaker 1: I think is amazing. Cynthia Rivo, are in a grande?
48:28
Speaker 1: Come on, It's just like the first musical movie in
48:32
Speaker 1: like a decade where they cast people who can sing
48:37
Speaker 1: without computer assistance. Jonathan Bailey, are you joking? One of
48:44
Speaker 1: the hotest been on the face of the planet. I
48:48
Speaker 1: don't like Jeff Goldblum's performance. No, I'm just doing the
48:51
Speaker 1: episode now. Jeff Goldblum I find very grading in most settings.
48:56
Speaker 1: Michelle Yo frankly does a bad job. Cynthia Arianna, Jonathan Bailey,
49:02
Speaker 1: Bone Yang Bone Yang, John Cheu, forever and ever and
49:06
Speaker 1: ever like it's Wicked, It's Wicked even SpongeBob. Why not
49:15
Speaker 1: even SpongeBob? What do you mean You'll have to wait
49:18
Speaker 1: for the Wicked episode for me to tell you about
49:21
Speaker 1: SpongeBob's connection to wicked. Whoa, I can't wait to tell
49:23
Speaker 1: you about it.
49:24
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll see. This brings us to the next segment.
49:29
Speaker 3: It's called the Shrek section or the Shrektion because we
49:34
Speaker 3: got several questions pertaining to Shrek, and I think it's
49:38
Speaker 3: probably because, of course, the image that I included with
49:42
Speaker 3: this post on our Matreon asking for questions was an
49:46
Speaker 3: image of Shrek and donkeys. I have to imagine that's
49:51
Speaker 3: what influenced many of these questions, but I'm not mad
49:54
Speaker 3: about it. First question from Will Okay, when will you
49:57
Speaker 3: two be writing the screenplay for a fem freeboot of Shrek?
50:02
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was Shrek two? But uh, will
50:06
Speaker 1: we will, we will, We've it's it's it's already, it's
50:11
Speaker 1: in the works. It's in the works.
50:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got a question from Kate. Would you do
50:15
Speaker 3: a commentary for Shrek and Shrek two? I think that
50:20
Speaker 3: would be like super fun, the way that we did
50:22
Speaker 3: that Titanic commentary that one time years ago.
50:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to, like, I mean we we we
50:28
Speaker 1: were kind of setting our ways on the Matreon right
50:30
Speaker 1: now where we do two original episodes which people like.
50:32
Speaker 1: But A was like, I kind of missed that period
50:35
Speaker 1: of time where we would occasionally kind of mix it up,
50:37
Speaker 1: do a commentary, do something I would be I would
50:39
Speaker 1: be down, especially Shrek two, Shrek April Shripril.
50:45
Speaker 3: Shry for real, Shrek Shreptember Shrep.
50:50
Speaker 1: Okay, now we're talking.
50:51
Speaker 3: Now we're talking. Now we're talking. Okay. Next question from
50:53
Speaker 3: Joe of the two of you, who is Shrek and
50:56
Speaker 3: who is Donkey?
50:58
Speaker 1: I mean, wow, I don't know. All my answers are evasive,
51:01
Speaker 1: like it depends on the day. I think we both
51:05
Speaker 1: are both we contain multitudes. I'm trying to think of
51:10
Speaker 1: who in the Shrek franchise would be my ideal, Like,
51:13
Speaker 1: who would I want people to be like you remind
51:15
Speaker 1: me of this person from Shrek? Probably no one. Honestly,
51:18
Speaker 1: I'd be disappointed to be like you remind me of
51:20
Speaker 1: a character from Shrek.
51:22
Speaker 3: I couldn't want to be gingy Oh.
51:24
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I mean I kind of am
51:27
Speaker 1: like I love Farkwaad. I don't want people to think
51:29
Speaker 1: of me as a Farkuad type, but I love fark Wood.
51:34
Speaker 3: He's pretty cool.
51:35
Speaker 1: He's pretty cool, And I love Sparkwad's mom.
51:39
Speaker 3: I don't know, Wait do we meet Parkwad's mom?
51:42
Speaker 1: Did we not meet Parks? This is why we had
51:44
Speaker 1: to do that? We have to do this. Maybe I
51:46
Speaker 1: just totally made that up.
51:47
Speaker 3: We got we got a fast track Shreptember, shrep Timber.
51:51
Speaker 1: I want to be one of the scary Shrek babies.
51:54
Speaker 1: I want to be the Shrek baby. Oh god, I
51:56
Speaker 1: think I want Shrek to be my dad? Oh wait,
51:58
Speaker 1: what is that character from Shrek for that says something funny?
52:03
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the roar that one. I love that.
52:09
Speaker 1: You say you knew what I was saying. Yes, yes,
52:12
Speaker 1: the kid in Shrek for that says that be okay?
52:17
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So hopefully that answers your question, Joe. Next
52:22
Speaker 3: and final question of the Shrek dishrection, Mary, fuck kill Shrek, Titanic,
52:31
Speaker 3: Christmas Prince franchise.
52:33
Speaker 1: Oh kill Christmas Prince easy?
52:36
Speaker 3: I think so yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:38
Speaker 1: Fuck Shrek. Marry Titanic for me?
52:40
Speaker 3: I think, see I would fuck Titanic Mary, Shrek, Well.
52:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I guess you marry Titanic. It's like, well,
52:45
Speaker 1: what are you guys gonna do together?
52:48
Speaker 3: But with Shrek, it's an endless adventure.
52:50
Speaker 1: With Shrek, and you know he's a he's a good partner.
52:54
Speaker 1: He's been married for twenty five years.
52:57
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, true, he's.
52:58
Speaker 1: Been He's Yeah, I mean like he as we saw
53:01
Speaker 1: in Trek four. You know that he has his issues, but.
53:04
Speaker 3: Well and in Shrek three, and in Shrek two and
53:07
Speaker 3: in Shrek one he has his issues.
53:09
Speaker 1: But I mean as a husband. I guess it's the
53:11
Speaker 1: Shrek's two, three, and four where we learned about Shrek's
53:15
Speaker 1: ability to be a husband. Yeah, I guess that that
53:20
Speaker 1: does make sense. Marrying Titanic feels kind of like a
53:24
Speaker 1: lost cause in a way. But although although although, going
53:29
Speaker 1: off of the fact that we just covered Sharktail, if
53:31
Speaker 1: I married the Titanic, I would just end up living
53:34
Speaker 1: with the Italian sharks in Shark Taale because they move
53:38
Speaker 1: in to the shipwreck of the Titanic. Or even better,
53:42
Speaker 1: is what is that Italian? Speaking of Italy, the Italian
53:47
Speaker 1: animated ripoff of an American tale, Anastasia and Titanic that
53:52
Speaker 1: came out in nineteen ninety eight.
53:53
Speaker 3: Oh, the Legend of Titanic, the Legend of Titanic.
53:56
Speaker 1: And then I could marry that big.
53:59
Speaker 3: Octopus you mean tentacles.
54:02
Speaker 1: Tentacles, Yes, Tentacles, the octopus who famously saved all the
54:09
Speaker 1: passengers of the Titanic from dying.
54:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, by holding the broken and half Titanic, holding it
54:15
Speaker 3: back together.
54:16
Speaker 1: Everyone evacuated with the plenty of.
54:19
Speaker 3: Boats that they had the exact right number of boats.
54:21
Speaker 1: And then tragically was pulled to the bottom when Dentles died.
54:26
Speaker 1: It was so funny when Tentacles died.
54:29
Speaker 3: Great, what was the question?
54:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, kill Christmas Print, fuck Titanic, Mary Shrek.
54:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, And then the last question curtails is
54:43
Speaker 3: that the right word dovetails maybe into a plug for
54:48
Speaker 3: something that we don't know all the details of yet,
54:50
Speaker 3: but we're announcing intent exactly. The question comes from Nancy asks,
54:56
Speaker 3: are y'all doing another tour again soon? Slash, will you
55:01
Speaker 3: be coming to the New York City, New Jersey area?
55:05
Speaker 3: And then several other people asked will we come back
55:08
Speaker 3: to the UK at any point? Will we come to Australia.
55:12
Speaker 3: Those questions were not too sure about. But because we're
55:16
Speaker 3: entering our ten years of doing the podcast, we are
55:21
Speaker 3: planning a ten year anniversary tour that is not going
55:25
Speaker 3: to be about Wicked. No, I don't know.
55:28
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying a couple of it could
55:31
Speaker 1: be about Wicked. They don't have to be about Wicked.
55:34
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see, but we will go on a
55:36
Speaker 1: ten year tour. We will announce the details when we
55:38
Speaker 1: have them. It'll probably be later in the year because
55:42
Speaker 1: that's when our ten year anniversary is is later in
55:44
Speaker 1: the year. But we were very excited we've done I
55:48
Speaker 1: think in the last couple of years we've done a
55:49
Speaker 1: number of shorter tours, but this would be kind of
55:51
Speaker 1: a Beefer a beef here ten year celebration tour. Then
55:55
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for.
55:57
Speaker 3: So am I. Yeah, we have to hammer out all
55:59
Speaker 3: the detail hills still, but we will keep listeners abreast.
56:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've and with that, that concludes our Q and
56:12
Speaker 1: A episode, our first in a couple of years. Thank
56:15
Speaker 1: you so much to all of our matrons who submitted questions.
56:19
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56:21
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56:25
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56:28
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56:35
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57:03
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57:06
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57:10
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57:14
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57:15
Speaker 3: A price that has never increased, by the way, No,
57:17
Speaker 3: you look around, we see inflation and we say no,
57:20
Speaker 3: not us.
57:21
Speaker 1: And Patreon keeps getting us to change the policy. But frankly,
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Speaker 1: it's it's always been five dollars and uh, yeah, it's
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57:38
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57:42
Speaker 3: It's true, but we do.
57:43
Speaker 1: Love the Matrons just more. It's okay. Do you have.
57:47
Speaker 3: Anything you want to plug, Jamie.
57:52
Speaker 1: Not in the short term. Yeah, no, this this year,
57:56
Speaker 1: I am. I think when this episode releases, I will
58:00
Speaker 1: be shooting my first feature, which I'm very excited about
58:03
Speaker 1: me So yeah, I guess stay tuned for me to
58:07
Speaker 1: tell you what happens with that, and that I will
58:10
Speaker 1: have a new book, my first novel coming out in
58:14
Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty seven. It is currently titled
58:18
Speaker 1: The Tower, but I am told that that title will change,
58:22
Speaker 1: so I will let you. So I have just like, hey,
58:25
Speaker 1: here are things that I've made, but I don't know
58:27
Speaker 1: what they're called, and I don't know when you'll be
58:28
Speaker 1: able to have them. Follow me on Instagram. I guess
58:31
Speaker 1: Jimmy Christ Superstar, that's what I got. That's what I got, Kitly,
58:35
Speaker 1: what about you?
58:36
Speaker 3: You can also follow me on Instagram at Caitlin Durante.
58:39
Speaker 3: And the main thing I want to plug is I
58:42
Speaker 3: have another round of my screenwriting classes coming up. I
58:45
Speaker 3: have several new sections, some of them are sold out
58:49
Speaker 3: already brag. But my intro to screenwriting class at the
58:54
Speaker 3: time of this recording still has a few spots left
58:57
Speaker 3: and it starts on oh, what's the date, January seventeenth,
59:05
Speaker 3: so there's still some time if those spots are still
59:09
Speaker 3: available by the time you're listening to this. You can
59:13
Speaker 3: find information about all of my classes on my website,
59:17
Speaker 3: Caitlindurante dot com. But yeah, I teach basically two screenwriting classes.
59:22
Speaker 3: One is an introductory class, and then one is a
59:26
Speaker 3: workshopping class. And that's for people who have taken my
59:29
Speaker 3: intro class or who already have some prior knowledge of
59:33
Speaker 3: screenwriting and have a project that they're wanting to start
59:37
Speaker 3: or that they're currently working on that you would bring
59:39
Speaker 3: into the group and do table reads and then get
59:42
Speaker 3: feedback from myself and your classmates. So those are my
59:48
Speaker 3: screenwriting classes that people.
59:49
Speaker 1: Should take all the time.
59:53
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, But yeah, that's pretty much it from me.
59:56
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, listeners. Thanks again to the matrons
59:59
Speaker 3: who submitted questions. Thanks to the matrons in general. Thank
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