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Mystery of Alex Murdaugh's Clothes Worn Night of Double Murders SOLVED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Hello everybody, Nancy Grace. Here
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Speaker 1: we are on the lunch break and the Alex Murdock
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Speaker 1: double murder trial and the shooting deaths with his wife
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Speaker 1: Maggie and adult son Paul. Another bombshell day in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you I love this woman,
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Speaker 1: Blanca Simpson. You know what, instead of me telling you
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Speaker 1: what she said, let's just listen to what she had
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Speaker 1: to say. Warning, put on your seatbelt, take a listen.
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Speaker 1: Hour cut seven. Maggie told me she had to go
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Speaker 1: to a doctor's appointment, and she said that in the text,
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Speaker 1: Maggie said, Alec wants me to come home, and she
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Speaker 1: said and in the phone conversation she told me, she said,
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Speaker 1: I left some food in the refrigerator. Is there any
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Speaker 1: way that you can cook? Paul likes the way you cook,
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Speaker 1: so she said, because I don't think i'll be back
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Speaker 1: in time. So I said, yeah, sure, I said, I'll
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Speaker 1: do it. We had another conversation on the phone where
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Speaker 1: she told me she said, Alec wants me to come home,
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Speaker 1: and she kind of sounded like she didn't want to
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Speaker 1: come home, and she because she really liked being an edisor.
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Speaker 1: She sounded like she was a little disappointed. And then
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Speaker 1: she said, well, Alec asked Paul to come home too,
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Speaker 1: because he's got to fix the mess up out there.
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Speaker 1: Alec had told Paul to come and fix it because
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Speaker 1: they were planning on having a hunt that weekend. You
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Speaker 1: are hearing Bloga Simpson, who worked for the Murdogs. Now
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Speaker 1: something interesting, and we're leading you up to the good part.
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Speaker 1: Something interesting I picked out. And what she said right
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Speaker 1: there is that Maggie loved being in Ediston. Ediston is
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Speaker 1: there at Edisto Beach where Maggie was living, she was
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Speaker 1: not living with Murdog. And here we're hearing it again
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Speaker 1: that Alex Murdog asked her to come to Moselle. She
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Speaker 1: did not want to go. He lured her there, wait
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Speaker 1: for it, let's take let's do our cut. Eight. How
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Speaker 1: did you hear Alex called me? He called me early
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Speaker 1: the next morning. He u He sounded shaky on the phone.
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Speaker 1: He said, um be they're gone. They're gone. And that
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Speaker 1: my initial thog was did she go back to Ediston?
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Speaker 1: That Bob didn't cross my mind that he meant that
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Speaker 1: they were dead. And at that time you just didn't
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Speaker 1: comprehend it. I didn't note. So he told me again.
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Speaker 1: He said, no, be they're they're they're dead. And at
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Speaker 1: that point I don't remember because I believe I dropped
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Speaker 1: the phone. My husband got the phone. I don't remember
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Speaker 1: after that, dropped the phone. Yes, all I remember is
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Speaker 1: when he said that they were dead. I dropped the phone,
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Speaker 1: and I believe I said, I'll be right over. I'll
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Speaker 1: be right over. Blanca Simpson describing the moment when she's
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Speaker 1: on the phone with Alex Murdock and he tells her
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Speaker 1: that Maggie and Paul are quote gone and a shaky voice.
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Speaker 1: At first, she didn't even understand what he meant. She thought, well,
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Speaker 1: did Maggie go back home to Agisto Beach Ediston because
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Speaker 1: everyone knew they were living apart? And how she dropped
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Speaker 1: the phone her husband had to pick it up. When
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Speaker 1: she realized Maggie and Paul or dead. Now take a listen.
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Speaker 1: Paul and Maggie dead, Alex Murdog thinks to send Miss
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Speaker 1: Simpson out to Moselle to clean up. She cooks for them.
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Speaker 1: She cleans up their kitchen and their home and keeps
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Speaker 1: it running. Now, maybe I'm projecting. Okay, I am projecting.
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Speaker 1: But after my fiancee was murdered, the last thing I
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Speaker 1: was thinking about was somebody cleaning up his place. That's
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Speaker 1: crazy talk, who could do that? But that's where his
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Speaker 1: head was the very not even twenty four hours after
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Speaker 1: the murders. It was the next morning. Now. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear what Miss Simpson says about it being
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Speaker 1: sent out to the hunting lodge Bozelle by Alex Murlog
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Speaker 1: to clean up. Take a listen to our cut night.
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Speaker 1: And then when I got ready to leave Almita, he said, well,
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Speaker 1: when you go to the house, go in the front
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of sled agents by the kennels.
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Speaker 1: You can't go in that way. And he said, just
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Speaker 1: try to straighten up the way. Maggie liked everything you
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Speaker 1: know in the house. He said, you knew her the best,
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Speaker 1: so I did. I went to that. He said there
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Speaker 1: was gonna be people probably stopping by and bringing food
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Speaker 1: and stuff. He said, I just want the house to
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Speaker 1: live the way Maggie would like for it to look.
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Speaker 1: It was hard because I know she wasn't going to
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Speaker 1: be coming back, and I didn't want to move. I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to move her stuff. Was just a weird
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Speaker 1: feeling going through when I walked. When I unlocked the
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Speaker 1: front door to get in, I felt cold. You're in
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Speaker 1: a game for her to you. I did. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: she gets there, what if anything does she find? Listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut tent. Her pajamas were laden neatly in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the doorway going into the laundry room.
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Speaker 1: It was her pajama pants, a pair of underwear, and
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Speaker 1: he her pajama top. Was that unusual and that was
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Speaker 1: very unusual. She wouldn't lay her clothes out like that,
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Speaker 1: not in the middle of the door like that. Underwear
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Speaker 1: there with the pajamas unusual. Yes, she didn't wear underwear
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Speaker 1: with her pajamas. I turned around and I said, well,
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Speaker 1: I want to wear The pops are in. The pots
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Speaker 1: were sitting inside the refrigerator with lids on them. That
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Speaker 1: was not normal for the pope, the whole pot to
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Speaker 1: be sitting in the fridge. In the master bathroom, her
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Speaker 1: clothes were sitting next to the time on the floor.
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Speaker 1: Next to the shower was a slight puddle of water,
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Speaker 1: a towel and a pair of khaki pants. And in
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Speaker 1: the closet was a white, damp towel on the floor.
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Speaker 1: It appeared that a T shirt had fallen off of
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Speaker 1: a stack of T shirts that were on top of
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Speaker 1: the shelf right there in the closet. It was leaaning
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Speaker 1: on the floor next to the towel. Man I could
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Speaker 1: take that testimony and dissect it all day long. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Maggie's pajama pants and a pair of underwear
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Speaker 1: and a PJ top folded up and laid neatly in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the doorway of the doorway going into
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Speaker 1: the launder room. Now we all know Maggie did not
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Speaker 1: stay there the night before and fold up her underwear
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Speaker 1: and lie it on her pj's in the floor going
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Speaker 1: into the launder room. That did not happen. She was
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Speaker 1: not there the night before, So when did the pj's
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Speaker 1: in the underwear get laid there? It may sound like
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Speaker 1: nothing to someone that's not understanding what these facts mean.
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Speaker 1: It means the scene was staged. That's what it means.
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Speaker 1: Why And the only one left living that would have
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Speaker 1: done that is murdog So why why would he stage
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Speaker 1: as a scene? You all know where everything is in
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Speaker 1: your kitchen, right except my ninety one year old mother
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Speaker 1: comes in our kitchen at night and like rearranges things.
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Speaker 1: But I've even figured that out. I know where she
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Speaker 1: hides things. What I'm saying is when Blanca comes into
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Speaker 1: the kitchen, it was as if a stranger had put
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Speaker 1: away all the food. Number one, the food from dinner
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Speaker 1: the night before. Maggie would always leave it just sitting
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Speaker 1: out because you want to Blanka to clean it on
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Speaker 1: the day's Blanc was coming. So Maggie would never have
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Speaker 1: put stuff back in the fridge. The food wasn't eaten.
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Speaker 1: Remember when Murdoch said they all had a big dinner
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Speaker 1: or they were gonna have dinner. Then he took a nap.
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Speaker 1: Just just so much is happening here now? Who took
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Speaker 1: a shower and left out water on the floor, a
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Speaker 1: wet towel and a pair of khaki pants. Guys, this
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Speaker 1: is what I'm building up to. Has the mystery of
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Speaker 1: Alex and Murdog's missing clothes been solved? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut eleven after June seven, twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever see that shirt again? No, sir, there
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Speaker 1: was like a pink, one, white one, a baby blue
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Speaker 1: in the closet. I do not remember that shirt and
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Speaker 1: being in there. And on June eighth of twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: in the morning hours, when you came back over, there
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Speaker 1: was that shrift there, No, sir. Were these shoes that
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Speaker 1: you saw holf slippers? Were those there? No, sir. Did
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Speaker 1: you ever see those house shoes again? No, sir? And
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Speaker 1: where did he usually keep them in the closet? Did
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Speaker 1: you hear that? I hear. All the guests are in place,
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Speaker 1: having just come out of the courthouse. But I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear. The last bit of this has the
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Speaker 1: mystery surrounding Alex Murlock's missing clothes, clothes he was wearing,
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Speaker 1: we believe at the time of the double murders been solved.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twelve. But during the
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Speaker 1: month of August, do you remember him having a conversation
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Speaker 1: with you about a shirt, Yes, sir. Did you find
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Speaker 1: that to be unusual? Yes, sir. He said, be I
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Speaker 1: need to talk to you. And he said, come here
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Speaker 1: and sit down. And he was pacing back and forth
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Speaker 1: in the in the living room, and he said, I
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Speaker 1: got a bad feeling. He said, I got a bad feeling.
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Speaker 1: He said, something's not right. And then he said, he said, well,
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Speaker 1: you know there's a video. You remember the shirt I
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Speaker 1: was wearing that Vinny Vine's shirt. Those were That's what
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Speaker 1: he said to me. And in my mind I was saying,
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Speaker 1: I don't remember Vinny Vine's shirt. It was the polo shirt,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't mention. He said, well, you know what
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Speaker 1: I was wearing that shirt. I was kinda thrown back
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Speaker 1: because I don't remember that. I don't remember him wearing
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Speaker 1: that shirt that day when he left. I know what
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Speaker 1: shirt he was wearing because I fixed the collar. I
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Speaker 1: was basically confused. I didn't really know whether he was
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Speaker 1: trying to get me to say that that shirt if
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Speaker 1: I was to be asked, then if I was a
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Speaker 1: shirt he was wearing. The day Time stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: did the housekeeper wash the khaki pants Marnag was wearing
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Speaker 1: the Knight of the Double Murders after he left them
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Speaker 1: by the shower and changed into shorts, and apparently she
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Speaker 1: never saw the shirt or the shoes from that evening again,
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Speaker 1: they disappeared with me an all star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what has just happened in the courtroom. First
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Speaker 1: of all, I'm going to go to Eric Bland, this
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Speaker 1: is the lawyer for Glorias family. Gloria Saderfield was a
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Speaker 1: lovely woman who worked for the Murdochs for years and years.
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Speaker 1: She fell down the steps to her death. There was
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Speaker 1: a huge lawsuit surrounding that death, and Alex Murdock pocketed
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Speaker 1: millions of dollars meant for her family until the truth
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Speaker 1: came out. Eric Bland, did you hear what miss Blanca
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Speaker 1: had to say? I did, Nancy, thanks for having me
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Speaker 1: on the show. What we've seen in the past two
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Speaker 1: days is a murder in the courtroom. Alex was murdered
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Speaker 1: by Ronnie Crosby, his best friend Chris Wilson, his paralegal,
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Speaker 1: a neck Griswold, and today Bianco, I think what we
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Speaker 1: saw is the explanation of what happened and what Alex
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Speaker 1: tries to do. Nancy is draft those closest to him
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Speaker 1: to give him the explanations and alibis that he needed
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Speaker 1: to try to get out of this murder and they
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Speaker 1: weren't playing baseball. Bianca just laid it out and said
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Speaker 1: he laid out those khakis. She ended up washing them.
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Speaker 1: You could tell that he left the house in haste
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Speaker 1: after he showered, probably after the murders. That's why the
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Speaker 1: tale was on the floor. He put the food back
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Speaker 1: in the refrigerator. I know, harp Putley and suggests that
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Speaker 1: it was done by lawyers, But you hit the nail
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Speaker 1: on the head, Nancy. There isn't male lawyers in the
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Speaker 1: world that would have touched Maggie's underwear and pajamas then
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Speaker 1: laid him out that way. The only person that could
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Speaker 1: have done that is Alex Murdock. You know what, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad you said that because her pajamas and her undies.
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Speaker 1: Who else would have done that beside miss Simpson Blanca
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Speaker 1: or Alex Murdog Paul Murdo, the sun is not going
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Speaker 1: to go in there and fold up his mother's underwear.
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Speaker 1: That's not happening. None of those law lawyers would touch
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Speaker 1: touch her clothes with a ten foot poll. It was
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Speaker 1: the word dog, which leads me to the why. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm just really curious about how the jury is reacting
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Speaker 1: to all of this. So let me ask you another
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Speaker 1: thing while i've got you, Eric Bland, what's the word
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Speaker 1: in the courthouse, Because you know, in the courthouse, people
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Speaker 1: walking up and down the halls, even they know what's
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Speaker 1: going on. What's the word. The word is that the
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Speaker 1: defense really in the past two days has since that
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Speaker 1: there's a seismic shift and change. When my client Tony
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Speaker 1: Sadderfield testified, you saw how insistent Dick Harpoolian was to
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Speaker 1: try to exclude his testimony, and then when the judge
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Speaker 1: overruled that, he said, we'll stipulate to it. I'm telling you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that there were three jurors that looked at me after
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Speaker 1: it came out that he stole four point three million
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Speaker 1: dollars the Sadderfield's money. They looked over at me and
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Speaker 1: they shook their head. Now, whether all twelve jurors think
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Speaker 1: that Alex is a miscreant, there is a significant portion
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Speaker 1: on that jury and everybody accepted defense sycophants. See exactly
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Speaker 1: what Alex Murdole is one. He's a guy that has
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Speaker 1: no loyalty to his friends. He's a guy that steals
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Speaker 1: from his client's family and friends and law partners. And
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Speaker 1: he's a guy that lies to his family, friends and
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Speaker 1: law partners. Now, whether all that can translates into murder,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to wait and see. But this guy
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Speaker 1: had a bad week Nancy Eric Bland. Do you know
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Speaker 1: he just made tears come to my eyes when you
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Speaker 1: said four point three million dollars. Not that I'm crying
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Speaker 1: for the desire of money, but I was thinking about
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Speaker 1: the Sadderfield family. Do you know how hard my parents
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Speaker 1: work to help me and my brother and my sister
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Speaker 1: get through college and get through law school and the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. My dad working for the railroad, my mom
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Speaker 1: working at a canning plant for Pete. Say four point
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Speaker 1: three million dollars to the Satterfield family. Oh, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: leave you with this fact. I'm gonna leave you with
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Speaker 1: this fact. This will tell you what kind of monster
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdole is. After he got that money and it
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Speaker 1: was in his pocket. Gloria's son, Brian Harriot, who was
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Speaker 1: the vulnerable adult that Tony talked about, was living in
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Speaker 1: her in his mother's trailer. The bag four closed on
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Speaker 1: that trailer and sent papers to Alex Murdole. He knew
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Speaker 1: the kid was getting the trailer foe closed on. He
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Speaker 1: didn't spend a dime and give the kids any money
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Speaker 1: to keep the trailer, and Brian Harriet was pushed out
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Speaker 1: on the street and then had to go live with relatives.
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Speaker 1: He sat by with the money in his pocket and
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Speaker 1: let that mobile home be foreclosed on. He's a monster, guys.
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Speaker 1: I gotta get my mind off of what happened to
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Speaker 1: the Satterfield family and try to think about the trial
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Speaker 1: strategy that is being employed in this courtroom and joining
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Speaker 1: me right now, and I can see her on the screen.
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Speaker 1: My producer, Kelly Scan, senior producer at Fox Nation. Kelly,
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Speaker 1: tell me everything. Don't leave anything out. I mean, Nancy
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Speaker 1: talk about a bombshell day and you stated it perfectly.
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Speaker 1: Put your seatbelt on. Eagle eyed viewers have been waiting
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Speaker 1: for Blanca since his testimony, and now we know why.
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Speaker 1: One we learned that Alec Murdoch possibly took a shower
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Speaker 1: the night of the murders too. The clothes he was
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Speaker 1: seen leaving the house in that day and the clothes
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Speaker 1: he has seen in the snapchat video were never found
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Speaker 1: again except for the khaki pants, which she says she washed,
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Speaker 1: and three d after the murders, she found Maggie Murdoch's
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Speaker 1: wedding ring in her Mercedes. You cannot understate what a
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Speaker 1: big day today was for the prosecution and what a
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Speaker 1: blow today was for the defense. At one point they
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Speaker 1: even tried to declare a mistrial and the judge she
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Speaker 1: said absolutely not. They didn't want any kind of testimony
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Speaker 1: regarding money issues involved, and they lost that there will
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Speaker 1: not be a mistrial. So the grounds for the emotion
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Speaker 1: for the mistrial was about the financial misdeeds. So the
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Speaker 1: prosecution wanted to question Blanca Simpson on a conversation that
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Speaker 1: she had with Maggie Murdoch. Maggie was saying that she
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Speaker 1: was concerned about this thirty million dollar lawsuit, and the
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Speaker 1: defense did not want this admitted into evidence. Guys, they're
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Speaker 1: going to be many many motions for mistrial throughout this trial.
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Speaker 1: That does not mean that they are really worth the
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Speaker 1: salt that goes in their bread. Very often the defense,
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Speaker 1: because the state typically doesn't move for a mistrial. The
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Speaker 1: state doesn't want a mistrial because I have to do
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Speaker 1: it all over again. The defense will move for a
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Speaker 1: mistrial because it may break the flow of what the
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Speaker 1: prosecutor or the witness is doing. It stops everything and
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Speaker 1: there's always a chance, to Judge Mike Grant it so
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Speaker 1: they get to start all over again, which is always
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Speaker 1: a benefit to the defense, not the state. But I
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Speaker 1: see where the defense where Hartpoolian is going. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: want this child to be about all the financial misdeeds.
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Speaker 1: And when I call it financial misdeeds, that is certainly
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Speaker 1: putting perfume on the pig. That is a euphemism. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this guy outright stole millions and millions of dollars. Now,
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Speaker 1: you know, I want to go back to the wedding
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Speaker 1: band issue, especially with Kelly's skin and doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: But first, doctor Bethany, I want to talk to you
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Speaker 1: about something again. I know I'm projecting, and this may
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Speaker 1: not be true for every tangential victim of murder, But
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Speaker 1: when my fiance was murdered shortly before our wedding, the
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Speaker 1: last thing I was thinking about was taking a shower,
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Speaker 1: or changing clothes or cleaning the house. I didn't care
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Speaker 1: if it all burned up, it went straight to hub l.
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Speaker 1: Nothing mattered much less. I mean that was before I
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Speaker 1: had children. I mean, who is thinking about a wardrobe
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Speaker 1: change and straightening up the kitchen and putting away some
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Speaker 1: food into the friend? Who would think about that when
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Speaker 1: your child is dead? Nancy? Remember Jeanie and Annette, the
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Speaker 1: CFO of the law firm, and Annette, his paralegal. They
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Speaker 1: always they testified that Alex Murdoch would always turn into
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Speaker 1: the Tasmanian devil just as he was about to commit
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Speaker 1: some misdeeds so as to throw everyone off track. So
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Speaker 1: when I listened to Miss Blanca Simpson's testimony, I thought,
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Speaker 1: you know, she was so credible. She loved this family,
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Speaker 1: She would have done anything for them. She knew every
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Speaker 1: item of clothing, where everything was placed in the house,
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Speaker 1: she knew their habits, she knew their personalities. And what
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Speaker 1: I thought was that she had the carefully constructed world
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Speaker 1: with Maggie and then Alex Murdoch. The night of the
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Speaker 1: murders and the morning after was like the Tasmanian devil.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no rhyme or reason. Why would he
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Speaker 1: put the pajamas with the clean underwear on the floor
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Speaker 1: in the doorway. That's a Tasmanian devil move. Why would
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Speaker 1: he take a shower? Why would he you know, it
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Speaker 1: just always it was a little crazy. I was trying
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Speaker 1: to make sense of this testimony, and it leaves me
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Speaker 1: at bethany hold On, I can shed a little bit
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Speaker 1: a lot on why he would want to take a shower,
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Speaker 1: and of course you're dealing from the emotional end because
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Speaker 1: you have all those um rich clients. Doctor Bethany, he's
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Speaker 1: joining me. She's a high profile psycho analyst in Beverly
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Speaker 1: Hills Smack dab on DAO drive. But we'll circle back
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Speaker 1: to that in a moment. I'll tell you why to
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Speaker 1: get rid of evidence. Joining me, Bill Daily, former FBI investigator,
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Speaker 1: forensic photography security expert. Think of all that gunstart residue
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Speaker 1: and blood spatter that went right down the drain. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, opportunity to loss. But you know, a certainly,
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Speaker 1: as you talk about here, some really compelling moments about
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Speaker 1: this case so far as both certainly the testimony today
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Speaker 1: with Bianca, I mean, somebody was really felt part of
23:31
Speaker 1: the family. They answer the question she felt part of
23:33
Speaker 1: the family. So whatever you had to say really has
23:35
Speaker 1: to resonate well with the jury fact that she was
23:38
Speaker 1: in part of the family. The other things that strike
23:41
Speaker 1: me and I think two real other compelling elements to
23:43
Speaker 1: this case, which I hope will drive the jury to
23:46
Speaker 1: understand what really happened that day. You know, One was
23:49
Speaker 1: the fact that there's the video, the video that his
23:51
Speaker 1: son Paul took when now we have testimony both by
23:54
Speaker 1: Bianca and other people that the voice on that video
23:57
Speaker 1: was the three of them, was his wife, was Alice,
23:59
Speaker 1: was his son all moments moments before they were found dead,
24:04
Speaker 1: and also at the time when he said he wasn't there.
24:06
Speaker 1: Is that the last time he saw them was at dinner,
24:08
Speaker 1: So we have a big disconnect there. The other on
24:11
Speaker 1: the forensic side is the collection of this kind of
24:13
Speaker 1: supposed your raincoat and tarp found at his mother's house.
24:17
Speaker 1: He went to his mother's house at some point after
24:20
Speaker 1: the murders and they found inside inside the lining of
24:24
Speaker 1: the raincoat gunpowder residue. Now, how why would that be
24:28
Speaker 1: unless you wrapped a gun around that coat, unless you
24:32
Speaker 1: did something else they caused it to be inside a raincoat,
24:35
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be normally inside the raincoat. And there's some
24:37
Speaker 1: testimony there regarding the time he spent at his mother's house,
24:41
Speaker 1: what was left there, and now what police have found.
24:44
Speaker 1: So I think there's some other even though people saying
24:47
Speaker 1: it's more circumstantial to me, there's a bit of forensic
24:50
Speaker 1: evidence entering into this which really certainly can drive that compass.
24:54
Speaker 1: You know, towards the jury. Towards the jury, to think
24:56
Speaker 1: twice about all the other testimony. They are about britty
24:58
Speaker 1: to hear, probably from the defense. Guys. You're hearing our
25:01
Speaker 1: friend Bill dli former FBI investigator and forensic photography expert,
25:07
Speaker 1: a security expert, as well. Doctor Michelle dupre I think
25:10
Speaker 1: that was you jumping in and please do so. Pathologist,
25:14
Speaker 1: medical examiner, former detective. And this says it all. Author
25:19
Speaker 1: of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide, which I love. Doctor
25:25
Speaker 1: Dupree way in on Murdog, and I'm not talking about
25:29
Speaker 1: the emotional aspect of taking a shower. I'm talking about forensically,
25:36
Speaker 1: what is the significance of Murdog taking a shower after
25:40
Speaker 1: the double murders. Well, Nancy, obviously that is to get
25:44
Speaker 1: rid of some evidence. But one of the things I
25:46
Speaker 1: just I feel compelled to say is that we keep
25:49
Speaker 1: talking about all of this blood spatter that should be
25:51
Speaker 1: on Murdoch and his clothes. And yes, there should be some,
25:55
Speaker 1: but remember most of this bloody blood spatter is going
25:59
Speaker 1: to be forward the crime scene, on the victims. There
26:02
Speaker 1: should be some one Murdo, but not you know, he
26:05
Speaker 1: shouldn't be covered in blood as people have said, I
26:08
Speaker 1: think it would be well worth the prosecution to do
26:11
Speaker 1: a simulation how much blood spatter or back spatter would
26:15
Speaker 1: actually appear on someone shooting with these two different guns,
26:19
Speaker 1: and it would not be a massively bloody scene. There
26:22
Speaker 1: would be minute specks. There may be some other blood
26:26
Speaker 1: spatter there, but it may not be readily visible to
26:29
Speaker 1: a housekeeper who's simply picking up laundry and tossing it
26:32
Speaker 1: in the laundromat. Christine running out in New York control room.
26:36
Speaker 1: Christine again, you know what I want to see that
26:38
Speaker 1: two shot, the before and after wardrobe change, because I'm
26:43
Speaker 1: pretty sure based on what he was wearing, there should
26:48
Speaker 1: have been blood spatter. Yeah, at least on the bottom
26:53
Speaker 1: the shirt tail in front, there should have at least
26:56
Speaker 1: been blood spatter on that, and since he was using
26:58
Speaker 1: a long gun, may be around the chest or the
27:01
Speaker 1: armpit area around the sleeve. Guys, earlier, you heard Kelly Skin,
27:09
Speaker 1: our Foxation producer, talking about Maggie's wedding band. Christie, if
27:15
Speaker 1: you could please play cut thirteen about that. In addition
27:20
Speaker 1: to cleaning the house, did you ever look at Maggie's
27:23
Speaker 1: Mercedes to try to clean it afterwards, I did, what
27:27
Speaker 1: if you? Thank you fine? But she still had paint
27:33
Speaker 1: for the edisto house pillows. As she was going to return,
27:37
Speaker 1: and as I moved the seat to clean to vacuum
27:41
Speaker 1: underneath the driver's side seat, I found her ring her
27:46
Speaker 1: wedding band and leading up to the murders. Was she
27:49
Speaker 1: anxious about anything? She was concerned about the amount of
27:53
Speaker 1: money that they were requesting on the lawsuit. Thirty million
27:56
Speaker 1: is what she told me. She said she knew the
28:00
Speaker 1: amount of money that they were asking, but she felt
28:03
Speaker 1: that Alec was not being truthful to her with regard
28:07
Speaker 1: to what exactly was going on with that lawsuit. She said,
28:13
Speaker 1: he doesn't tell me everything. Okay. Eric Bland joining us,
28:17
Speaker 1: high profile lawyer representing the glorious Satterfield family. Look, there
28:22
Speaker 1: are plenty of women on that jury, and they know
28:25
Speaker 1: what it means when you take off your wedding band. Yes,
28:29
Speaker 1: they do, Nancy. I think what we have seen is
28:32
Speaker 1: not one single piece of explosive evidence, but a mosaic
28:37
Speaker 1: that now is turning into a picture. In the totality
28:40
Speaker 1: of what the state is putting forward regarding Alex and
28:44
Speaker 1: Maggie and what existed. It didn't exist in their life
28:47
Speaker 1: at that time. I think now we see why Alex
28:52
Speaker 1: may have decided to take that ultimate decision in taking
28:56
Speaker 1: the life of his wife and his son. Murder isn't perfect,
29:00
Speaker 1: you know more than anybody. You've prosecuted more murder cases.
29:03
Speaker 1: Sometimes a decision that a murderer makes in his mind's
29:07
Speaker 1: a perfect decision. It makes perfect sense why I decided
29:11
Speaker 1: to take my wife and my son to us. The
29:14
Speaker 1: other people, we would say, really, that's the reason you
29:16
Speaker 1: decided to do it, and that's the reason why, Nancy,
29:20
Speaker 1: motive isn't an element of murder. It's an element. It
29:24
Speaker 1: can prove malice, but it's not an element of murder
29:27
Speaker 1: because somebody's decision making process can be flawed. Alex is
29:31
Speaker 1: a sociopath. The decision that he chose to murder his
29:35
Speaker 1: wife and son were based on his own reasoning, not logic, Nancy.
29:40
Speaker 1: If I could add to this, remember there was a
29:43
Speaker 1: confluence the other events. There was a perfect storm on
29:46
Speaker 1: July seventh, that is that the voting accident trial was
29:51
Speaker 1: going to be the next day. He found out after
29:55
Speaker 1: Genie the CFO, confronted him that his dad was going
29:59
Speaker 1: into the hospit Biddle. He then lures Maggie and Paul
30:04
Speaker 1: to Mozelle and I think that this could have been
30:08
Speaker 1: part of a homicide suicide scheme, and it's in his
30:11
Speaker 1: mind that the ship was going down and he was
30:18
Speaker 1: Did you just say you think this could have originally
30:22
Speaker 1: been a homicide suicide plague? Because I can tell you
30:26
Speaker 1: right now, Alex Thurnog loved himself. There's no way you'd
30:30
Speaker 1: ever kill himself. Hey, that is not happened. There's a
30:35
Speaker 1: suicide for hire just a couple of months later. Yeah,
30:40
Speaker 1: are you still buying into that BS technical legal term?
30:44
Speaker 1: Come on, bland, bland, bland. I know one thing about
30:49
Speaker 1: that man, because she had gun, and if he missed
30:52
Speaker 1: Murdoch the first time, he would have gotten in the
30:55
Speaker 1: second time. That was not I don't care what anybody says.
30:59
Speaker 1: That's not real. Nancy. We know how to kill Dan. Here.
31:02
Speaker 1: We're going to pull out a gun, We're gonna shoot.
31:04
Speaker 1: What that was on the side of the road was
31:07
Speaker 1: a diversion. Alex wanted to take the law enforcement eyes
31:10
Speaker 1: off of him, so he faked a shooting so that
31:13
Speaker 1: he could say, you see, there's people out there that
31:16
Speaker 1: are trying to kill my family. Well, if that's what
31:18
Speaker 1: he believed, then the day after those murders, he would
31:21
Speaker 1: have gathered up his son Buster, his brothers Randolph and
31:24
Speaker 1: John Marvin, then gone to law enforcement instead protect us.
31:28
Speaker 1: But he let Buster walk to seat the streets of Columbia,
31:31
Speaker 1: South Carolina because he knew he wasn't in danger because
31:34
Speaker 1: he knows who the killer is. Keilly ski in joining
31:37
Speaker 1: me our producer, my producer on Fox Nation Kill. I
31:43
Speaker 1: haven't actually seen somebody shoot a bird in the courtroom,
31:47
Speaker 1: says Jodi Arius shot one at me during her trial.
31:51
Speaker 1: Oh the good times. But I understand there's some bird
31:56
Speaker 1: action going on in the courtroom. What happened so for
31:58
Speaker 1: the past two days is Alec Murdock's defense team has
32:01
Speaker 1: had Buster Murdoch stand up in the courtroom so the
32:05
Speaker 1: jury can see him. And that is because Buster Murdoch
32:08
Speaker 1: has been moved farther back behind his dad for alleged
32:12
Speaker 1: misdeeds within the courtroom. We are hearing that Buster Murdoch
32:16
Speaker 1: lipped Mark Tinsley the bird during an in camera hearing.
32:20
Speaker 1: There is footage of this. Some are arguing he was
32:23
Speaker 1: biting his nail. It's an interesting nail to bite if
32:26
Speaker 1: you asked me. But the Murdoch family has been asked
32:30
Speaker 1: to move back. We also heard that Buster Murdoch passed
32:33
Speaker 1: one of Alex Paralegal's, a John Grisham novel, and that
32:37
Speaker 1: is another reason why they were pushed back, because that
32:39
Speaker 1: is contravant. You cannot pass Alec Murdoch things in court. Okay, Kelly.
32:47
Speaker 1: Every time I would go in the courthouse, of course,
32:51
Speaker 1: I would adhere to all the rules and not try
32:53
Speaker 1: to sneakily break any rules, including not pathetic, old fitbit,
33:00
Speaker 1: no cell phone, nothing. But I did see the Murdoch
33:07
Speaker 1: relatives breaking all the rules, wearing Apple watches that you
33:12
Speaker 1: can take pictures and syntexts with drinking stuff. I see
33:20
Speaker 1: Murdog eating things. Who cares? But my point is is
33:25
Speaker 1: that why they were all moved to the back of
33:27
Speaker 1: the courtroom because up until now they've been sitting front
33:32
Speaker 1: and center right behind Murdog. Oh there he is eating again?
33:36
Speaker 1: Does the man never stop? So why were the Murdog's
33:41
Speaker 1: exiled to the back of the courtroom. It's been a
33:44
Speaker 1: series of different things. One is the alleged bird two
33:49
Speaker 1: with Buster Murdoch passed his data book through paralegal and three.
33:53
Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch's sister also allegedly passed through something. So the
33:58
Speaker 1: judge in this case said, and us enough, you guys,
34:00
Speaker 1: you're moving back, and how can they keep it up?
34:04
Speaker 1: They could be kicked out of the courtroom in general.
34:07
Speaker 1: You know, I've been very curious and I'll throw this
34:09
Speaker 1: to Eric Bland. Eric, a lot of viewers and listeners
34:15
Speaker 1: have been asking me online why we are not following
34:19
Speaker 1: the rule of sequestration in this case. What that means.
34:23
Speaker 1: It's an outmoded word to sequester or keep apart. Witnesses
34:28
Speaker 1: typically are kept out of the courtroom until after their
34:32
Speaker 1: testimony is sometimes even then in case they're called on
34:36
Speaker 1: redirect examination. You don't want their testimony to be shadowed,
34:41
Speaker 1: to be painted or tainted in any way by hearing
34:45
Speaker 1: somebody else's testimony, because you know, like Eric Bland just
34:49
Speaker 1: says something, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what happened now
34:51
Speaker 1: I remember it. No, you don't. You don't want that.
34:55
Speaker 1: So what happened? Did nobody invoke the rule? Oh this
34:59
Speaker 1: has been by design, Nancy. I've been allowed in the
35:03
Speaker 1: courtroom and I'm on the witness list up until yesterday.
35:05
Speaker 1: I was going to testify until Tony did such a
35:08
Speaker 1: great job. The reason that Dick Carpudlian hasn't made emotion
35:11
Speaker 1: to sequester of the witnesses is he wants the Murdalls
35:15
Speaker 1: to be able to be seen behind the camera behind
35:17
Speaker 1: Alex because it sends a message to the jury that
35:21
Speaker 1: they support him. They're not sitting on the prosecution side.
35:25
Speaker 1: Even though the prosecution is spending millions of dollars in
35:28
Speaker 1: vindicating the deaths of Maggie and Paul. Diff does not
35:32
Speaker 1: want them to be sequestered because they are witnesses for
35:36
Speaker 1: the defense. So this is all by design. Yes, you're correct.
35:39
Speaker 1: Normally every witness would have been sequestered. But can you
35:43
Speaker 1: imagine what it would look like to the jury if
35:45
Speaker 1: none of Alex's family was sitting behind him. So he
35:49
Speaker 1: can't have them sit behind him and then ask that
35:52
Speaker 1: every other witness be sequestered. This is like a Broadway play, Nancy,
35:56
Speaker 1: It's been you know. I find it very offensive the
36:00
Speaker 1: way Alex has behaved at the council table to be
36:03
Speaker 1: able to eat, to be able to communicate with his family.
36:06
Speaker 1: I think it sends a bad message because that courthouse
36:10
Speaker 1: is the people's courthouse. It's not the Murdog courthouse. Not
36:13
Speaker 1: just that, Not just that, Eric. He should be treated
36:20
Speaker 1: no differently than any other defendant in the criminal courts,
36:25
Speaker 1: regardless of their crime, their gender, their background, their race.
36:33
Speaker 1: The Murdogs are not above the law. The last time
36:37
Speaker 1: I looked Nancy when I argued that Alex should not
36:40
Speaker 1: get bond and Judge Newman agreed with me for financial crimes,
36:43
Speaker 1: first time in our state's history. I said, he needs
36:47
Speaker 1: to drink from the same cup of justice that we
36:49
Speaker 1: all do, and that's how the name of my podcast
36:52
Speaker 1: came about. But Alex needs to drink from the same
36:55
Speaker 1: cup of justice that every other criminal defendant does. He
36:58
Speaker 1: should have come in the courtroom when you're charged with
37:00
Speaker 1: murder in shackles, just like every other murder suspect does
37:04
Speaker 1: in our state, unless there in front of the jury.
37:06
Speaker 1: And then they doubt Nancy. This family had intergenerational wealth
37:10
Speaker 1: and power. They wielded control over that state for generations.
37:16
Speaker 1: Do you know that after the Mallory Beach death, after
37:20
Speaker 1: she was ejected from the boat because Paul Murdoch was
37:24
Speaker 1: boat driving drunk, do you know that Maggie was allowed
37:27
Speaker 1: to the crime scene. She was allowed to go down
37:30
Speaker 1: to the boat to see Paul, but Mallory Beach's mother
37:34
Speaker 1: was sequestered behind tape, the yellow police tape, and was
37:39
Speaker 1: not allowed to go see what had happened to her daughter.
37:42
Speaker 1: This is the type of entitlement that this family has
37:46
Speaker 1: that not only are they displaying in the courtroom, but
37:49
Speaker 1: it seeped into the entire culture. Even the police culture
37:53
Speaker 1: there allowed Maggie in but not Malory Beach's mother. So
37:58
Speaker 1: I think this sends a bad message to the jury.
38:01
Speaker 1: I don't think they're seeing a loving family who's there
38:05
Speaker 1: to support their father. I think they're seeing an entitled
38:09
Speaker 1: braddy family who has been brainwashed by Alec Murdoch and
38:14
Speaker 1: who is behaving badly in the courtroom, just like their
38:17
Speaker 1: father behaved badly in society. I don't mind the message
38:21
Speaker 1: of sending to the jury, but guys, I want to
38:23
Speaker 1: follow up on what was just said about Malory Beach's mother,
38:27
Speaker 1: her mother. I saw those cement pilings where Paul Murdoch
38:34
Speaker 1: raced into them, throwing Malory Beach off the boat in
38:38
Speaker 1: the middle of the night to her death. I spoke
38:41
Speaker 1: to the EMTs the boat patrol that went out searching
38:45
Speaker 1: for her body every day and finally found this beautiful
38:49
Speaker 1: teen girl bloated and dead from being in the water,
38:53
Speaker 1: and her mother was not allowed down. Take a listen
38:58
Speaker 1: to our cut five. After the boat crash, they had
39:04
Speaker 1: the law enforcement had cordoned off, had a rope up
39:07
Speaker 1: or yellow flag, yellow taping up, and so miss Peach
39:12
Speaker 1: wanted to go down to see where her daughter and
39:15
Speaker 1: she wasn't allowed. Almost immediately thereafter, car pulled up driven
39:19
Speaker 1: by Alex's father. Alex's wife, Maggie was in the front seat,
39:24
Speaker 1: and they were waved down to the bridge, and that
39:28
Speaker 1: caused her a great amount of distress. He ultimately hire
39:32
Speaker 1: you to represent first that day I got involved. I
39:36
Speaker 1: started to investigate, but I started to try to put
39:39
Speaker 1: pressional law enforcement, which is you know, I'm drawing a
39:44
Speaker 1: distinction there almost immediately because the concern was that it
39:50
Speaker 1: was going to get covered up by the Beach family
39:52
Speaker 1: and they didn't want that to happen. And there is
39:54
Speaker 1: more no wonder that Buster Mardogue allegedly shot a bird
39:58
Speaker 1: at Chancellor. You're seeing to Beasley on the stand. Take
40:01
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut four. There were a number
40:03
Speaker 1: of reasons that I wanted the case in Beaufort. I
40:07
Speaker 1: had substantial evidence, and so one of the things that
40:09
Speaker 1: I discovered was is that Paul's girlfriend had tons of videos,
40:15
Speaker 1: videos of alcohol, videos of Paul drinking in front of
40:18
Speaker 1: his parents, videos of him grossly intoxicated. And so that
40:24
Speaker 1: evidence I shared with Alex lawyers as well. Leading up
40:28
Speaker 1: to it, I didn't share it. They didn't serve the
40:31
Speaker 1: same discovery on me because they didn't want the other dependant,
40:37
Speaker 1: Greg Parker's to have it at that time because they
40:40
Speaker 1: were so entrenched in that there was some sort of
40:45
Speaker 1: venue friendly lawsuit going on between Alec and myself, but
40:49
Speaker 1: there wasn't time stories with Nancy Grace Kelly Skin joining us.
41:11
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the jury is getting any let's
41:16
Speaker 1: just say, unwanted message by the way Murdoch is being
41:22
Speaker 1: treated in the courtroom, by the way his family, extended
41:26
Speaker 1: family has been treated in the core room, because I
41:29
Speaker 1: really don't think they're paying any attention to that, but
41:32
Speaker 1: maybe they are. You know, we've heard throughout this trial
41:35
Speaker 1: that there are two systems of justice in South Carolina,
41:39
Speaker 1: one for normal people like you and me, and two
41:43
Speaker 1: for people like Murdoch whose family has run that community
41:47
Speaker 1: for generations. We don't know if any of these jurors
41:50
Speaker 1: knew the Murdoch family or any of their acquaintances. I
41:54
Speaker 1: can't really say if the Murdoch family being moved is
41:57
Speaker 1: having an impact on the jury. I do know is
42:00
Speaker 1: that Alex's defense attorneys definitely want Alex's family to be
42:05
Speaker 1: seen by that jury as supporting Alec Murdoch. But on
42:09
Speaker 1: that note, people who I have not seen in the
42:11
Speaker 1: courtroom yet is Maggie's family. I have not seen them
42:15
Speaker 1: sitting behind Alec Murdock one day of this trial, and
42:19
Speaker 1: that really hurts the state. That hurts either side when
42:23
Speaker 1: the families you're trying to represent are not present. But
42:27
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there is a very strong reason for that.
42:30
Speaker 1: You know another thing, and I want to throw out
42:33
Speaker 1: to Bill Daily, former FBI investigator, forensic photography security expert. Bill,
42:40
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've testified in a lot of trials. Jury's
42:44
Speaker 1: notice pretty much everything. It's really hard to get something
42:48
Speaker 1: over on the jury. It is nancy, and even when
42:52
Speaker 1: their objections in the court room, a lot obviously a
42:55
Speaker 1: lot of that resonates with those people in the jury.
42:57
Speaker 1: They hear what we said, they can't kind of distract
43:00
Speaker 1: take that out of their recording of their mind. You know,
43:02
Speaker 1: we talk about here about the family, the murder family,
43:05
Speaker 1: being so strong and powerful in their community. You know,
43:08
Speaker 1: on one hand, certainly that's evident by some of these
43:11
Speaker 1: kind of liberal kind of stances are able to get
43:15
Speaker 1: away within the courtroom. But I think it will also
43:17
Speaker 1: play into the defenses where they're going to say they
43:20
Speaker 1: are so well known, they are so high profile, they
43:22
Speaker 1: have so much money. Is that there are many people,
43:24
Speaker 1: you know, who are envious every people people who get
43:27
Speaker 1: to get them. Nonetheless, people who may have they have
43:29
Speaker 1: been cross passed with in this uh in this courtroom
43:33
Speaker 1: setting with regard to past grievances or financial issues. So
43:37
Speaker 1: I think what they're going to try to do is
43:38
Speaker 1: pick this case apart. It's gonna be very difficult because
43:40
Speaker 1: of my view, as they said before, extremely compelling. Having
43:43
Speaker 1: sat actually myself on a criminal case, believe it or not,
43:47
Speaker 1: years ago, I could tell you by listening to some
43:49
Speaker 1: of the what I'm hearing here will resonate very well
43:52
Speaker 1: with the jury if they can remain impartial, if they're
43:55
Speaker 1: not in any way, blinded by the kind of the
43:59
Speaker 1: the bright light of the family and their extended family
44:01
Speaker 1: in the community. Well, I can tell you this much.
44:04
Speaker 1: They know darn well that the Murdoch family has now
44:08
Speaker 1: picked up camp and moved to the back of the courtroom,
44:11
Speaker 1: where nobody wants to be. I didn't want to be
44:13
Speaker 1: in the back. I couldn't see a thing. I had
44:15
Speaker 1: to get on the very front road possible behind the
44:18
Speaker 1: Murdoch family and get all the way to the end
44:21
Speaker 1: and look out into the aisle so I could see
44:25
Speaker 1: what was going on. And so they are exiled to
44:28
Speaker 1: the back. And I know the jury has noticed that.
44:31
Speaker 1: They may come up with an entirely different reason why
44:35
Speaker 1: than we are, but I guarantee you they noticed it. Hey,
44:37
Speaker 1: Kelly Ski and did the housekeeper state I'm talking about
44:43
Speaker 1: miss Blanca. Did she state that Maggie's wedding rings were
44:48
Speaker 1: under the mat in the car? She did. She cleaned
44:53
Speaker 1: Maggie Murdoch's Mercedes about a week after the murders and
44:58
Speaker 1: found her wedding rings in that car. Now, since that testimony,
45:03
Speaker 1: I have looked back at Alec Murdoch's interviews with SLED
45:06
Speaker 1: and I think it's very noteworthy that I also did
45:09
Speaker 1: not see Alec Murdoch wearing a wedding band, so throughout
45:13
Speaker 1: this trial at the defense, it's true, stole that from me.
45:17
Speaker 1: You totally start from me. You and I were sitting
45:20
Speaker 1: there on day one together and I said, Murdock's not
45:24
Speaker 1: wearing his wedding man, Kelly, And now you're spitting it
45:28
Speaker 1: out on camera like it was your idea. But you
45:30
Speaker 1: know what, go ahead and steal it. But I do
45:32
Speaker 1: have something to tell you, Kelly Skim. They're not going
45:35
Speaker 1: to hire you over at the New York Post to
45:38
Speaker 1: write the banner the headline because to me, Kelly, it
45:42
Speaker 1: please fight with me about it. The banner would be
45:45
Speaker 1: Maggie Murdock puts her wedding rings under the floor mat
45:52
Speaker 1: of the car. I mean, I'm gonna have to go
45:55
Speaker 1: to our shrink doctor, Bethany Marshall. And I mean that
45:57
Speaker 1: in a loving carrying way, Bethany. But to put your
46:00
Speaker 1: wedding ranting bings, I mean, I don't have any ring
46:03
Speaker 1: to talk because I'm not wearing mine, but I am
46:05
Speaker 1: wearing my husband's mother's ring. But under the floor Matt,
46:11
Speaker 1: I mean, is that that's got to have some hidden
46:15
Speaker 1: meaning under the where you put your feet your wedding
46:19
Speaker 1: rings or where you put your feet, Nancy. That was
46:22
Speaker 1: a big so ouch to the defense and to Murdoch
46:26
Speaker 1: when Miss Blanca said that that the wedding ring is
46:31
Speaker 1: under Maggie's floor, Matt and you know what that told
46:35
Speaker 1: me is that Maggie has to have that ring somewhere
46:40
Speaker 1: available to her when she's going to see her husband,
46:43
Speaker 1: but when she's away from her husband, she doesn't want
46:46
Speaker 1: to wear it. So she's taking the ring on and
46:49
Speaker 1: off like a prop. And then my mind went to
46:52
Speaker 1: as a psychoanalyst, is their domestic violence in the relationship?
46:56
Speaker 1: Is there antipathy? And is there there's some kind of
47:00
Speaker 1: abuse where if she shows up without that wedding ring,
47:04
Speaker 1: she's going to get in trouble. But when she's away
47:06
Speaker 1: from man, she doesn't want to wear it. That's what
47:10
Speaker 1: I thought to me and back go ahead, and I
47:16
Speaker 1: felt that she my tape taking our for wedding bands
47:20
Speaker 1: and this is the woman that always wore her wedding
47:22
Speaker 1: bands and her rings she took so this is unusual
47:25
Speaker 1: for her. For me, it's not for her, it is
47:28
Speaker 1: And then to put them down on the floor under
47:31
Speaker 1: your feet. I mean, I'm certainly not a shrink like
47:34
Speaker 1: you are. But to me, that tells me she doesn't
47:38
Speaker 1: give a flying fig about wearing her wedding bands or
47:42
Speaker 1: being known as being married tomorrow. It was over, and
47:45
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because even with all their money,
47:49
Speaker 1: murdog was bouncing checks. Take a listen to our cut
47:55
Speaker 1: three August six, twenty twenty one. What the balance was
48:00
Speaker 1: the defendants account for how mothers take bank? On August six,
48:05
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the balance was a negative three hundred
48:08
Speaker 1: forty seven thousand, seven hundred eighty four dollars sixty seven cents.
48:13
Speaker 1: Had the bank continued paying expenses for Alec Murdoch from
48:18
Speaker 1: June seventh to this date, to the tune of three
48:22
Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven thousand dollars in money he did
48:24
Speaker 1: not have? Correct? What is that right there? Overdraft charge?
48:29
Speaker 1: How much does he ever draft charge? Five dollars five dollars?
48:41
Speaker 1: Is that typical policy for a bank to pay overdrafts
48:47
Speaker 1: over the course of a month for three hundred and
48:48
Speaker 1: forty seven thousand dollars? No certain? Eric Bland helped me out.
48:55
Speaker 1: Why is it that rich people I just had their
48:59
Speaker 1: money three hundred and forty seven thousand dollars overdraft. I mean,
49:06
Speaker 1: if I go one minute over my credit card, I
49:08
Speaker 1: started getting text and emails from the credit card company,
49:12
Speaker 1: and I mean, there's no way in h double l
49:16
Speaker 1: that a bank is going to carry you to the
49:18
Speaker 1: tune of three hundred and forty seven thousand dollars. I
49:22
Speaker 1: subpoenaed and got those records early on in my litigation
49:26
Speaker 1: against Alex Nancy, and it is the most generous overdraft
49:30
Speaker 1: policy in the history of banking. Not only does he
49:33
Speaker 1: get to overdraft to the tune of three hundred thousand dollars,
49:37
Speaker 1: but he gets to get loans in advance of any paperwork.
49:42
Speaker 1: Where do you get money? And then the bank says
49:45
Speaker 1: to you four weeks later, let's come on in and
49:47
Speaker 1: document the money I gave you four weeks before. But
49:50
Speaker 1: it's indicative of what actually happened at the crime scene.
49:54
Speaker 1: And I know, Nancy, that you have commandeered probably thirty
49:58
Speaker 1: crime scenes. More. You are a prosecutor, and you never
50:02
Speaker 1: would let a family member on the crime scene, five
50:05
Speaker 1: lawyers and a best friend to sit there while a
50:09
Speaker 1: search warrant was being executed. I've seen on TV if
50:13
Speaker 1: a spouse comes up to the yellow tape and they
50:17
Speaker 1: tell him that his wife is murdered inside the house
50:19
Speaker 1: and he's trying to get in, they bear hug him
50:22
Speaker 1: and say, no, we're processing a crime scene. The rules
50:26
Speaker 1: for the murdle are not the rules of the road
50:28
Speaker 1: for everybody else. They just aren't Nancy. Guys, I want
50:31
Speaker 1: you to hear our cut one speaking of Gloria Sadderfield,
50:36
Speaker 1: because I don't want she's not the victim in this
50:38
Speaker 1: murder case, but I want you to hear to how
50:43
Speaker 1: she was referred on that nine one one call. It's
50:48
Speaker 1: cut one. Chris said, guys, it's just remember as you're
50:51
Speaker 1: hearing this, Gloria Sadderfield had not been just a housekeeper,
50:57
Speaker 1: which is enough for all of their states. But she
51:01
Speaker 1: helped raise these two boys. She helped raise them. Okay,
51:07
Speaker 1: listen to our cut one. What's going on there? My
51:11
Speaker 1: house keeper has fallen in her hand was bleeding. I
51:14
Speaker 1: cannot get her up. How, I'm not sure where keep
51:20
Speaker 1: talking from? She fell going up the steps, but the
51:25
Speaker 1: steps going contr No, not really, do you guys know here? Yeah?
51:32
Speaker 1: She works for she works for us she made ten
51:37
Speaker 1: dollars an hour, Nancy, they paid her ten dollars or
51:41
Speaker 1: works for us. She probably changed their diapers, washed their clothes,
51:47
Speaker 1: cleaned up their messes, drag them back and forth probably
51:51
Speaker 1: to whatever they had to go to. Uh, growing up?
51:56
Speaker 1: And how was she described? Yeah, she works for us,
52:00
Speaker 1: I mean, just rubs me the wrong way. What about it,
52:07
Speaker 1: Kelly Skian? She works for us? Yeah, she works for us.
52:12
Speaker 1: And what we heard from Tony Saderfield on the stand
52:15
Speaker 1: this week too, was that Alec Murdoch at the outset
52:18
Speaker 1: of this, told Tony that he would be able to
52:21
Speaker 1: get Tony and his brother a hundred thousand dollars. Alec
52:25
Speaker 1: Murdoch knew full well he was always going to be
52:27
Speaker 1: able to get those boys more than a hundred thousand dollars.
52:30
Speaker 1: He did, and they never saw a dime of it.
52:33
Speaker 1: And I've actually been to Gloria Sadderfield's grave, and I
52:37
Speaker 1: also want to point out that where she is buried
52:39
Speaker 1: is much much different from where the Murdocks are buried,
52:42
Speaker 1: which just goes again to speak to this difference in
52:44
Speaker 1: levels of status. Her cemetery has a chain link fence
52:48
Speaker 1: around it. The Murdoch cemetery. Is this beautiful place surrounded
52:52
Speaker 1: by brick buildings, and Gloria Saderfield is buried somewhere surrounded
52:56
Speaker 1: by a chain link fence. Hey, Kelly, just raycently. You
53:01
Speaker 1: were out looking and that's where we're headed when you
53:05
Speaker 1: and I are back together to Maggie and Paul's graves.
53:10
Speaker 1: The last time you looked, have they gotten a headstone? Yet?
53:14
Speaker 1: They still do not have a headstone. I was there
53:17
Speaker 1: about a year ago, checked it out again recently, and
53:20
Speaker 1: no headstones, which is a little bit strange for this
53:24
Speaker 1: family that it's supposedly had tons and tons and tons
53:26
Speaker 1: of money. You would think that there would be a
53:28
Speaker 1: headstone for Paul and mag Okay, guys, I gotta tell
53:31
Speaker 1: you something. I don't know that it's like this in
53:34
Speaker 1: every region of our great country, but in the South,
53:41
Speaker 1: the first thing you try to do is to get
53:46
Speaker 1: the best you can afford. Anyway, a headstone for the
53:50
Speaker 1: person you loved that has gone on and who wouldn't
53:57
Speaker 1: know about this, doctor Michelle Dupree. No, a headstone for
54:02
Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul, Nancy. That's unbelievable. I mean, so much
54:06
Speaker 1: time has passed. It takes a month or so to
54:09
Speaker 1: get a headstone. But this is way too long, and
54:12
Speaker 1: a family of that stature, well respected in the community,
54:16
Speaker 1: someone that you love, your wife and your son, I
54:18
Speaker 1: cannot imagine this. I wanted to say one other thing
54:22
Speaker 1: though about this family. Remember during the boat accident and
54:26
Speaker 1: Paul was Paul's booking picture is in his civilian clothes
54:31
Speaker 1: in the hallway. It isn't even a proper booking picture.
54:34
Speaker 1: And this just goes to more substantiate how differently this
54:38
Speaker 1: family was treated. Okay, hold on just a second. I
54:41
Speaker 1: gotta tell Eric Blandside thing. Eric, My mother, Elizabeth, she
54:47
Speaker 1: just turned ninety one, lives with us, and she was
54:50
Speaker 1: in such bad health, couldn't see from an eye operation,
54:55
Speaker 1: and she had me get in the car drive to
55:00
Speaker 1: our hometown of Making, Georgia at like five o'clock in
55:03
Speaker 1: the morning because she wanted me to take a video
55:08
Speaker 1: and a picture of my father's headstone and the flower
55:12
Speaker 1: arrangement we have there and bring it back to her
55:17
Speaker 1: so she can look at it from her good eye
55:20
Speaker 1: and see if it met her approval. And since then,
55:25
Speaker 1: can I tell you how much money in time we
55:27
Speaker 1: spent getting his plot The way she wants it to
55:31
Speaker 1: look it's a sentimental thing. It doesn't matter what your
55:34
Speaker 1: stature in the community is or how much money you
55:37
Speaker 1: have or don't have. It's out of respect for the
55:41
Speaker 1: person that you love that has gone on, and I
55:44
Speaker 1: just think it speaks volumes that they haven't they have
55:47
Speaker 1: taken so long to take care of that headstone. Yeah,
55:50
Speaker 1: I'm going to tack that from a different angle. I
55:53
Speaker 1: agree with everything that we've talked about this. I do
55:56
Speaker 1: take a different tact on and that is, unfortunately, their
56:00
Speaker 1: grave area has become a sensational destination for people to come,
56:06
Speaker 1: and it may be that the family has decided that
56:10
Speaker 1: they need for all of this to die down to
56:13
Speaker 1: actually put up headstones on that. I haven't given the
56:16
Speaker 1: family the benefit of doubt at all in three weeks
56:19
Speaker 1: during this trial, but I just may because I have
56:22
Speaker 1: heard that there are people that have tried to camp
56:25
Speaker 1: out and do stuff at the grave site. So I
56:28
Speaker 1: may understand a little bit and have a little bit
56:31
Speaker 1: of empathy that they may have delayed the marking of
56:34
Speaker 1: those graves. That's all I'm going to say on that, Nancy.
56:37
Speaker 1: I have a completely different perspective that in this crazy
56:40
Speaker 1: wildly dysfunctional family, that Maggie and Paul were already being devalued, discredited,
56:47
Speaker 1: pushed out of the family, treated as if they had
56:50
Speaker 1: no value. Because perhaps Maggie was the one who was
56:54
Speaker 1: beginning to see Alec Murdoch. Clearly she didn't like what
56:58
Speaker 1: he was doing. She saw the drug addiction, she saw
57:01
Speaker 1: the financial malfeasance. He select there was no drug addiction.
57:07
Speaker 1: There was no drug addiction. Don't peddle that there was none. Okay,
57:12
Speaker 1: he was not. Let take the drug addiction out of it.
57:15
Speaker 1: Let's take the drug addiction out of it. And let's
57:17
Speaker 1: just say, prior to Maggie and Paul's death, they were
57:21
Speaker 1: already you know, you'd use the term murdered in the courtroom.
57:24
Speaker 1: Maybe they were already murdered in the family, devalued, discredited,
57:28
Speaker 1: pushed out. You know, we've seen in really dysfunctional families
57:31
Speaker 1: that the parents and the family will choose one child
57:34
Speaker 1: to love and one child to hate. One child gets fed,
57:37
Speaker 1: the other one gets abused. Maybe in this case, Paul
57:40
Speaker 1: was the one who was starting to be devalued and
57:43
Speaker 1: Buster was being elevated. So Buster got to live. Well, you,
57:50
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany joining me from Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills,
57:55
Speaker 1: and you Eric Bland a hired gun. And I mean
57:59
Speaker 1: that in the best sense of the words. In the courtroom,
58:02
Speaker 1: you can say whatever y'all want, You can fight till
58:04
Speaker 1: you're blue in the face. But it would be a
58:06
Speaker 1: cold day in Hublel that I would have my father
58:10
Speaker 1: laying out in a field with his grave unmarked. Oh No,
58:16
Speaker 1: that is not going to happen. And what it says
58:18
Speaker 1: to me is that nobody cared. Nobody cared enough to
58:24
Speaker 1: honor them or take care of them now or the
58:27
Speaker 1: night they were murdered. And what Nancy I might add
58:32
Speaker 1: to this is that I think, you know, we talk
58:34
Speaker 1: about what's on trial here, perhaps it is privilege on trial.
58:37
Speaker 1: You know, when we can boil it down to it,
58:38
Speaker 1: whether it's in Washington, DC or what happens to be
58:40
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, is this is privilege. And we're hoping
58:44
Speaker 1: that we're going to get not leading justice peeking underneath her,
58:47
Speaker 1: her eye blind, but we're going to get our true
58:49
Speaker 1: justice out of this. And I think a lot of
58:51
Speaker 1: us are saying this privilege which has kind of run
58:53
Speaker 1: rampant through their community and has allowed them to be
58:56
Speaker 1: able to kind of, you know, fester and get away
58:58
Speaker 1: with what they've gotten away with at this point, perhaps
59:00
Speaker 1: that is really what we're talking about here, that the
59:02
Speaker 1: jury needs to kind of peer through and not be
59:04
Speaker 1: influenced by what either was or what could be influenced
59:08
Speaker 1: by the family. We'll see where all the chips land. Guys,
59:11
Speaker 1: we got to go back in the courtroom. They said
59:14
Speaker 1: they were unbiased. Let's just take that with a box
59:17
Speaker 1: assault and believe them. They were under oath when they
59:20
Speaker 1: took the jury selection oath that they were unbiased and
59:25
Speaker 1: that they would be fair and impartial, and let's pray
59:27
Speaker 1: to God that they do. I'm going back in the courty.
59:30
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave you guys to argue amongst yourselves. Goodbye, friends,