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Talks to Brendan Jones about his choice of Warriors’ Gate (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  And Conrad did or the other way around.
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  They haven't yet. So I'll basically plot it out
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  the whole season so PSI heart did Zhang life Nathan's doing
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  make loss. Conrad's do full circle.
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  Pete's doing State of Decay. You're doing, were he's gay
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  Mark. Wohlers is doing people are
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  shocked, and that's really gone out.
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  And Jason was doing the Godless It's a pretty as a good lineup
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  for the season. Yeah, you know.
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  Yeah, but yeah, this is of the trilogy.
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  The ending is where we're starting.
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  Yes. Hooray.
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  And from with the best story outside.
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  Yeah, I'd agree with that. Right.
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  Okay. So here we go.
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  Wow. That's uh can't do it in 5 4. 3
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  2 1. Go Hello, dear listeners, and
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  welcome to a hamster with a blunt.
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  Penknife the only Doctor Who commentary podcast, who is
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  exactly the right sort of nothing.
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  I'm Brendan I'm Joe. And today Joe has permitted me
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  to comment on the sublime end to the east based Trilogy of
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  stories with worriers gate. Thank you very much Joe.
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  Why? My pleasure, I'm not super
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  pleased. You kick you chose to come back.
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  Frankly a story with a troubled production as I learned today
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  for the first time. Yeah, yeah, we will get into
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  that as we go along. But it's one of those ones where
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  it's like, how did this get made.
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  And I don't mean in terms of quality, I mean, actually, how
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  did it happen? How did this get fitted?
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  This could have been like my married and I love my mother and
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  eat it. But you can see the scene
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  showing in that where We have walked out the same thing
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  happened here. What?
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  He was cool. He was fired but it's a fairly
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  seamless production. Yes, yeah it's it really is it
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  really is quite extraordinary right?
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  Shall we get into episode 1? I'm salivating.
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  Sorry. Part part 1.
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  We're in the late 70s, our part 1.
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  You know what I do when I was putting together, the hamster
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  blog, I don't know where the parts and the episodes are.
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  I did a lot of guessing Imperious, their periods
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  represents a apart? I think, I think pretty much
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  when you get to robot robot changes to parts and I think
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  there are some some outliers I think there might be one or two
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  episodes in the bakery on one or two parts in the Pertwee era but
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  the he's pretty much a clean break.
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  It's kind of like It's kind of like until Peter Davison.
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  The doctor is always credited as Doctor Who except I think in
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  image of the fender where he's credited as the doctor, that's
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  the one that's one difference and then Peter Davison comes
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  along and J. And T says what the character's
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  name isn't Doctor? Who I think I think the
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  production team know that Doctor Who fans like us all flow and a
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  predictability and they do this on but it's like with the
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  production codes we're in a few of the places.
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  Even things are missed or escapes.
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  And, you know, it's supposed to be like said said, said, and
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  then, you know what this has to do with Warriors gate, I've got
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  no idea what the action code for is a gate was Well, that's a
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  good point. Let's look that up in my
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  compiling history here. Okay, but it is a sort of guess
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  that does extreme amounts of research.
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  I heartily approve, the rest of you people that come on this
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  podcast. Shame on you, you're getting the
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  Game of Thrones through the streets.
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  Hey, hey hey. Is it a big sectional?
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  Warriors, get in there. Let's see how long was acting on
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  worries. Gauges starts on page, 46, and
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  runs through to page 77. So, 32 Pages very big, isn't it?
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  Yeah, it. Well yes, yes, yes.
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  Big one. That is, that is an impressive
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  size. I have to say I expected nothing
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  less from you, shall we skip into episode 1?
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  I think we shall. We probably should do anyway.
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  Why does this always happen when you come on here?
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  All right. It's my fruity tones episode 3
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  last time, we haven't even got into a fight, okay?
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  Okay. My husband's not home anything
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  quite a shame. In 5, 4, 3 2 1.
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  Let's go. I have a question for you.
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  Straight off the bat. Yes, when did you first watch or
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  is gay? I think I must have been about
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  13 or 14, okay? It was a story.
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  We didn't catch and record when I was a kid.
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  So I think we missed full circle and we must worry is gate and
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  State of Decay. I found really scary so I don't
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  watch much of these based Trilogy at all.
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  Yeah. And then a friend the made make
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  copies for me all full circle and worries day.
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  And I absolutely just adored worry is gay because time I saw
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  it so it definitely would have been between the ages of 13 and
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  15 but I first saw this. Why all accounts this opening
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  sequence threatened to push the entire production like over time
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  from the off that poor choices in The documentary that if you
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  got this right? This intro, which is so unique,
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  isn't it? This intro?
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  Yes. Yes, sir.
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  People would be sucked into the story and on board of it.
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  I think he's frying. Absolutely.
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  And you know what, it's, it's exactly the same thought that
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  Graham Williams had because G Williams knowing he had to
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  compete with sort of Star Wars. Yeah, and the craze that came
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  from that, you watch most G willing stories and it starts An
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  impressive model shot or an impressive panning shot that
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  sets the tone. And that's exactly what happens
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  here. This this long bit here and we
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  can see for instance, past the Kilroy graffiti there, there is
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  a light that led to massive problems because it pulls Works
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  wanted to incorporate the real Studio lighting their cameras
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  shooting Into the lighting gutters.
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  Yeah, and that was a big No-No. So several reasons, first of
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  all, everything you see on camera is meant to be part of
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  the set design. And so that way, if a producer
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  is watching this story and really likes the set design,
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  they hire that set designer but if it's the lighting the set
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  designers getting credit for something they didn't do.
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  Right? So that's the one thing of it
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  that's the credit think the other thing is the detriment
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  thing. If the director shoots the It's
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  and whoever's watching, doesn't know, that's a conscious Choice
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  by the director. The lighting director looks like
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  an idiot. Right?
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  Yeah. And so I mean they're both good
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  points. They're both could put but you
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  know it won't be sticking these days.
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  Oh yes. Great Cole.
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  Isn't it? Because this absolutely but it
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  did lead to a production stoppage in production of
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  several hours. Really?
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  What was like that? Yes.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Which is why you know, when you
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  hear about that you like but there's only there's only two or
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  three lights. It's like yeah, there were meant
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  to be a lot more and that was the negotiation.
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  Another thing that stopped production of this studio
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  session for about an hour. Was this Gantry there up or?
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  That's right. Yeah, the lighting manager said,
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  is this actually safe and stop production for an hour so it
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  could be inspected and they did actually find the loose bolts
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  that could have come loose and collapsed.
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  Yeah, There's the behind-the-scenes stories that I
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  don't tell where they lost, half the cars, they've none of the
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  vaccines. So what do you think about
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  Captain mannering turning up in a doctor who Story?
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  Look, I actually think it's a great choice.
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  Doctor Who very rarely goes, for sort of hard-bitten say star
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  trek-like captains. And so here they've gone for,
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  you know, a bond. Should blokes.
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  Whoo, you know, there's sort of construed as working class
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  except for, rorvick the manner in character who was absolutely
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  explicitly based on Captain Mallory.
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  This was another shot that got pulled.
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  Joyce in trouble, the spinning coin.
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  Because with the zoom, there, they're like, yeah, great.
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  The image starts to break raised, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. But yeah, again, artistically
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  stylistic any, it's incredible, isn't it?
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  Yeah, you know, I think, I think he was a bit ahead of his time
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  here. Bit like love at Bickford.
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  He's Trying to be clear absolute like cinematic as me.
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  What on a BBC a budget yes and okay the wireframe Tardis there
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  is actually a model made out of wood.
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  It's a wireframe physical model. Wow it's not computer generated
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  at all. You can see it on.
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  I believe in the Blu-ray in the special features and you're
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  going to surprise me. So you bought it on eBay and you
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  got it here right now. No, I did not.
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  We've gone from that incredible Direction in the spaceship, you
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  all the paths and Fades and video effects to a long shot of
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  that overly, very stagey Tardis, console room, shaking about and
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  it almost like the contrast between his Ambitions as a
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  director. And what could be achieved is
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  like highlighted between those two things?
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  There isn't it like yeah. Yeah absolutely.
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  And especially I'm the time The scenes were delayed by delays to
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  be scenes and everything knocked on.
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  So it was probably with the charter sense, okay?
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  Let's just get him in and what do, you know, as much as we got
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  Clifford Rose? As the lead get actor, a guest
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  actor in Captain razzak. We also have Kenneth cope here,
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  terrific. Yeah, right hopkirk himself.
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  From Randall and hopkirk deceased, I think without the
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  comedy of these characters, this would be a very dry story,
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  wouldn't it? Yes.
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  Yes. And especially Daddy Lane here.
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  Laughing out that fire. Two or three years ago called
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  about five years ago, Robert, when, when we do a complete
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  marathon of this, that as an adult, I watched away and I
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  went. Yeah.
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  All right, but even here with this tired of seen Paul Jones is
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  trying something new here, like usually people clustered around
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  the console and there, we've got the dr.
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  Romano, and a drinking free three, very distinct positions.
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  You know, put a tongue that you bought a house, does not know
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  what to do with his hands, if you read that.
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  That book blue box. Boy.
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  Very bizarrely written in the third person by himself.
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  Yes, he describes acting in these things and it sounds like
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  it was just poisonous the atmosphere in that set.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Like at this stage Tom is still
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  ill. And, you know, it was the same
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  illness that in State of Decay meant that he had to have his
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  hair putting curlers He's here I'm curled.
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  It is notice. He always lives.
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  Well yeah, it's just something but it's not like he's usual
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  tight curl. Yes, he and Leila.
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  We're going through another rough patch.
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  And of course, Matt Matthew Waterhouse turns up to work with
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  his childhood hero and finds this angry sick actor, swearing
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  like a trooper and he knows he's on his way ours.
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  Well, it doesn't leak. So it's almost like what about
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  why I've got to be nice to this kit, you know.
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  Like yeah. Yeah, it wasn't happy with the
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  character of a drink either was he?
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  Like he didn't want to be surrounded by Young geeky kids.
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  No. No.
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  And here we have Michael Munger Warren.
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  Who will later be a Salted by a car LED mutant in.
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  Resurrection of the dead? Yes, he is.
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  Shit hot in that, isn't it? My God, that's him and Aldo.
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  Here, the older of the repairman.
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  Yeah, is played by Freddy Earl, who is Christopher?
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  Hamilton bid Meade's father-in-law.
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  No, yes now that's yellow. Trivia that you're here for
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  tonight. I wonder if his father knows.
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  Arrogance, has rubbed off on him because I'll tell you something.
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  I don't we're going to talk about this phrase, big mixer out
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  it. I'll tell you something.
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  At the end of the documentary, he has the nerve to look into
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  the camera and say, Well done Paul Joyce and yeah, well done
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  me mate. Yeah, is he thinks he's really
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  really good and he is very weak. Yeah, exactly exactly.
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  Exactly. It's like you you can criticize
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  him for praising himself, but he also deserves the prize is one
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  of the best written seasons is certainly one of the best
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  structured Seasons. Yes.
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  Oh, wow. Look at this.
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  Yeah. I do absolutely love that shot
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  and they just move around each other and Lane seems to realize
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  here that he could have just died.
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  You know what, right? Once upon time I was gonna get a
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  soda. Yeah.
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  And I had a reaction. Yeah, I claims like that.
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  I'm like I've clocked, couldn't talk on.
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  Say sorry. I'm so sorry.
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  That's why. That's why people that's why
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  people come to my podcast. All right?
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  That's why people Asuna quite contrasting colors going on.
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  In this console room, isn't there?
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  Lots of racing whites? Yeah, I mean, what was amazing
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  was, June. Hudson designed a much more
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  elaborate outfit for Romana something.
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  A bit more akin to her horns of 91 book with layers and what
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  have you but more and more of a cocoa more fancy and June was
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  Wearing a tunic like Ramana is wearing and John nathan-turner
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  said to her, but darling, this is lovely and simple and less
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  fussy and we'll focus more on Lila can can she have something
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  like what you're wearing? And I think it's absolutely the
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  right choice. I love the Simplicity of
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  Ramona's. Outfitting.
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  This one, the Simplicity and I love the sleeves but yes, the
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  crazy sleeves are she's well, I so when I got married, I had to
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  groomsmaids and We're both in that sort of blood red eye.
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  I love that color, especially against that we were in like a
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  white Marquee. So the contrast of the red
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  against the white, it just makes it an in this.
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  There's a lot of white, isn't it?
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  There's a lot of like yeah, we did things like that.
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  Yeah, speaking of here is the void very simple video effect,
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  showing the striations of love the timelines.
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  Hmm. Well yes, very simple but
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  apparently, it took Joyce a lot of Time in the gallery.
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  And I think I think possibly even a couple of years later as
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  sort of corn tail and Harry Advanced.
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  It would have been easier but at the time, you know, they were
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  really there were really pushing this.
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  There's even a bit later where they can't turn our use of the
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  scene sync technology that have been used in Meg, loss.
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  It was shot. It was fine.
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  It was just cut for time, right? Unfortunately.
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  Yeah, and I'll point that out when we get there.
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  Look, I Slow motion is coming through the Tardis.
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  You just didn't have shots like this in like the mid 70s.
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  We were definitely moving into that video age.
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  Weren't we in season eight? Yes, yeah.
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  Yeah, and yes, absolutely. And this Gantry said this was
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  also bigger than originally envisioned, right?
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  Okay, so yeah, it was higher up than envisioned in the script
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  but it does allow us to get these these shots imposing Yeah.
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  Yes. Highly.
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  Highly imposing and of course we have Mr. Sagan here who is an
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  Awakening for many. We've all got her are Awakening.
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  Care has a certain way. Yeah, I mean for me it's
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  actually give up oh my word. Yeah, that's understandable.
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  So I Halls, he came on because favorite recently and his was
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  You know, the young you went to mr.
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  McQuaid. Guy's eyes eyes in the dark,
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  that that guy. Yeah, Soldier not Sylvester
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  McCoy. Oh my word.
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  No, she's Perkins. Paper played by Christian and
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  Holt who is the son of space? 1999 Estonian hold hell, is that
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  Series 2 space 1999? He plays Tony the deshi, you
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  know about space 1999. You know that I found out the
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  other day. And I know, you know this but I
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  just have to share my complete shock about it that the the
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  daughter of Barbara Bain and Martin Lando is Drusilla from
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  Buffy. Yes, yes, I hell and Ramona,
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  Swedish. She can act.
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  Yes, yes, she's really good with parents, honestly.
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  Yeah, I saw something once where I think it was a pro and I I
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  thought she was in it and she was really, really terrible.
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  But then I checked the credits and it wasn't her and I was very
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  happy when we apply right, you know?
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  Oh yeah, we're almost at the end, we've got nine more to get
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  through. You could probably pull that any
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  actor in this, you know, they probably turned up in a Playa or
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  some point. Oh, yeah, it's one.
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  It's one of those interchangeable things like
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  blank, Seventh, Doctor, Who, you know, you need any one of those
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  pyro cast. You'll find a Doctor Who actor
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  in there somewhere. The the copilot from horns of
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  nyman is Roger Ackroyd in Poirot in the murder of not back and
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  Terrace Malcolm Terrace and there's actually really good.
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  He's really good. What are you talking about?
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  He's amazing at the copilot. We can scum this.
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  Yeah, this is beautiful. Just be Rock wandering around.
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  So is he like a different time zone or something?
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  Because he's he's in kind of, he was in slow motion where they
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  were all in regular time, I'm going to need you to explain
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  some of this to me like a summer so you don't get he has, he has
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  now synchronized with their time if you like.
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  So if you imagine, for instance, something like, okay, for
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  Untitled Star Trek project, you haven't done the next phase.
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  Yet. But have you seen the next phase
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  when they're when they're running through the walls?
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  Exactly. And they have to, they have to
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  come back in to face with everyone else.
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  That's what Barack was doing. That's a terrific we thank you
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  for that or rather he was bringing the Tardis into phase
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  with him with him so that they can help.
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  Okay, now I would have none of it because he was smoking like
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  you wouldn't believe yeah yeah yeah Paul Cowboy he goes for
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  heroin this. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, you know it was all part of the bid made JN T thought
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  that canine was too powerful. So they successively depower him
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  over the course of the series. You know?
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  He gets water logged in Leisure Hive, which means is batteries,
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  run down quicker. He gets his head knocked off in
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  Full Circle. I'm sorry when they decapitate
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  him. I was almost out.
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  Then I was like, this is Ian? What about General grogger?
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  Gives them a boot up the ass. Well, built.
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  Fraser said he would only do it if he got to if you got to kick
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  canine. So they Rose Valley like this is
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  why we like Beatrice labor better because she wanted to
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  come but she wanted to pay him and be nice to him, you know?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Give him a Lycra camera. That's a lovely story from
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  Matrix limit and also, yeah, something I think James he was
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  conscious of in this story is, you know, he was very aware that
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  we've grown Williams and companion.
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  Patches. They just kind of happened.
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  There was no build-up to it. So here Romanus signals that she
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  intends to leave because since Meg laws, we've been told that
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  she's going to have to be dragged back to Gallifrey.
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  Yeah. So you know they built up to it
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  and really all of J and T's companion departures.
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  Are given very sensible reasons in the story.
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  Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, yeah, I mean even Tegan's
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  that is quite abrupt, it's it's under it's understandable.
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  Some people would say this is very abrupt, wouldn't they?
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  But I think you're right. I think this seeded into the
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  story file better. Yeah.
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  Some people's what's interesting there is you've got he's asking
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  about in space. So this is about his continuing
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  adventures and in the same breath she's talking about.
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  So it's like the two companions are essentially tagging each
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  other because ones out and we're having a concert.
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  It's just a shame that these two I can kind of tell these two
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  didn't get on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And while, you know, LOL, LOL, sort of sense that she was
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  unimpressed by Matthews, lack of professionalism.
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  So for instance, when they were shooting State of Decay and he's
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  in that lovely outfit, that all con puts him in.
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  Yes, well he can take Brendan come, he didn't take off the
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  outfit when he went to lunch, okay?
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  Lala saw that as a very imperfect.
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  Of course, Lala was friends with the costume designer, June
• 24:09
  Hudson, and is sort of understood the work that went
• 24:11
  into it and it's actually her contempt for him.
• 24:16
  Has absolutely extended it a past Doctor, Who because she's
• 24:20
  at conventions now, and she says, scathing things about
• 24:22
  nephew, all I ask, Oh yeah. And you have to think that they
• 24:27
  should come a time. Where are you?
• 24:29
  Unless of course, And I'm not speculating this about making
• 24:35
  what has, but if there is a situation where someone has
• 24:37
  suffered abuse say with the rift between Nicola Bryant and J and
• 24:41
  T, I completely understand that there are some things that are
• 24:46
  unforgivable, but I think a slightly unsatisfactory working
• 24:51
  relationship in 1918. Yeah, maybe should be reviewed,
• 24:56
  same time. You're not under any obligation
• 24:58
  to like anyone. That's very true and I, I always
• 25:01
  admire your honesty and she's very Really.
• 25:03
  Yeah. In a couple of yes.
• 25:05
  Very honest. It can be quite comfortable
• 25:06
  sometimes but it's kind of more interesting than people just
• 25:09
  going. Oh well, it was lovely with a
• 25:12
  lovely time, you know? Yeah, that's true.
• 25:14
  That's true. And I think I think, for
• 25:16
  Matthews part of it, you know, Matthew is aware of all this and
• 25:18
  kind of just goes well, you know, maybe I want a little shit
• 25:22
  and the interesting thing is I think over as time has gone on,
• 25:25
  he's matured into a very thoughtful man, Matthew was
• 25:28
  house. And if you have you seen the
• 25:30
  when Toby hey, do had like a weekend with him and hey.
• 25:33
  Hastings. It's beautiful.
• 25:34
  It's gorgeous and beautiful. And he just comes across as a
• 25:37
  very smart, very sweet. Very thoughtful, man.
• 25:41
  In fact, is Hastings just down the road from our might, you
• 25:43
  know, knock him up for a cup of tea.
• 25:46
  Sorry, no, just a couple, just a couple.
• 25:48
  I think he'd enjoy that. Sorry, did you just see that
• 25:54
  astonishment cobweb Laden banquet?
• 25:57
  I will say, yes, it's extraordinary and the stuff with
• 26:02
  walking through the I was done with mirrors and perspect
• 26:08
  sheeting to sort of achieve the transparency effect, but also,
• 26:12
  you know, walk behind one and through another.
• 26:15
  And it's so it's so very good. I don't think we have any photos
• 26:19
  of the setup. Unfortunately, I watch the photo
• 26:21
  gallery just before we started recording.
• 26:25
  June, husband says, on the documentary on the behind the
• 26:28
  sofa. So she's on the behind the
• 26:30
  circular that originally Lee, he wanted to do it with Quicksilver
• 26:35
  so he wanted to see. Oh, yes, but but that was
• 26:38
  absolutely veto because obviously it's toxic and it's
• 26:41
  you know, blah blah, blah, but it just goes to show like the
• 26:44
  breath of his ambition with the visual.
• 26:46
  Yes, I have a feeling that somewhere on the Blu-ray.
• 26:50
  We do have a test footage where they, you know, no one, no one's
• 26:54
  hand that we're near it, but they get to one of the ferrule
• 26:57
  they dip to a glove in in the Quicksilver you know?
• 27:03
  Just just for those close-ups. And yes, it didn't end up being
• 27:06
  used. And I think possibly, unless you
• 27:09
  can do the ripple effect on the full thing.
• 27:11
  That's, that's the right decision.
• 27:12
  In my opinion, we have the gun, the gun, damn robot, who were
• 27:17
  originally called the Shogun robots.
• 27:21
  But they decided, you know, let's not use a real human
• 27:25
  cultural thing here, like everything else in this story.
• 27:29
  I think they are terrifically designed, but they look It's
• 27:33
  very impressive. Do you have some tells a story
• 27:35
  about them as well about how the BBC refused to pay her taxi fare
• 27:39
  because she had bags and bags of good and bad parts that needed
• 27:43
  to get to a set. Seriously were like, no, we're
• 27:46
  not, we're not paying for you to take your shopping from A to B.
• 27:49
  So, that's how she purrs it. But she's like, I've got a
• 27:51
  shopping bags full of gun, dance here and we're not going to have
• 27:54
  any robots. If you don't let me get there,
• 27:57
  she says, you know, oh yes, yeah absolutely.
• 28:01
  Oh I think, I think, you know I I think that's why everyone
• 28:04
  loved her because she had the gumption and she also had the
• 28:09
  talent, and I don't know if she still does it, but about five
• 28:14
  years ago, she was teaching fashion design at universities.
• 28:18
  And what she would do is she would give the students a
• 28:22
  classic Doctor Who story. Wow, and very often.
• 28:25
  Not even once she worked on and said, I want you to design the
• 28:29
  costumes for this and as Annex As an example and they are out
• 28:34
  there, she did. Suggested costume designs for
• 28:43
  the two doctors and I'm again, novel.
• 28:50
  I can't remember which, but he has, she would do well, shakes
• 28:54
  of. She did concept designs for
• 28:58
  Paul, Mars novels for Iris, wild time, the Blue Angel, and the
• 29:04
  Scarlet empress. And she's down the one she's
• 29:07
  done. Actual like fantastic drawing
• 29:11
  the virus while type in this you know, like the Last Vegas are as
• 29:14
  wild time. I don't see occasionally one as
• 29:17
  well. It crazy theaters.
• 29:18
  And yeah, this she said she was interesting about her visa, her
• 29:24
  memory of the Fabrics that she used.
• 29:27
  The time it took to do the budget.
• 29:30
  She had to work with. It's Crystal Clear?
• 29:32
  No, she's not a young woman, you know?
• 29:34
  No no, that's against physics, extraordinary.
• 29:38
  Extraordinary woman, right? So we are at the end of part 1.
• 29:45
  So I see. Twelve.