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The Week That Was (24 September 2021) · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning.
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Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and joining
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Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning a little bit more
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Speaker 2: gender balanced, I think you'd have to say this morning,
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Speaker 2: we've got the Deputy Opposition Leader, Jared Mayley.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.
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Speaker 2: We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning to you.
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Speaker 1: We've got Robin Lamley from Well, the Independent member for
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Speaker 1: Aralu and good morning, good morning. And we've got Kate Warden,
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Speaker 1: the Minister for Territory Families and various other things.
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Speaker 4: Good morning morning, Katie.
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Speaker 1: Well and Matt.
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Speaker 2: Cunningham's kind of in between two microphones, but never afraid
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Speaker 2: to grab a microphone. I'd say, Matt, now there is
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Speaker 2: so much to discuss this week, but we might start
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Speaker 2: with the fact that there's been a lot of discussion.
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Speaker 2: I think you'd have to say about mandatory vaccines. We
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Speaker 2: know that obviously last Wednesday the Chief Minister Michael going
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Speaker 2: to reveal those changes are going to be made once
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory hits an eighty percent vaccination rate, and
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Speaker 2: some of those changes will include mandatory vaccines for workers
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Speaker 2: in high risk environments. Now, this really became quite a
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Speaker 2: point of contention. I think you'd have to say throughout
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Speaker 2: the week inside Parliament when the Chief Minister labeled the
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Speaker 2: COLP anti.
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Speaker 1: Vaxers after they hadn't sort.
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Speaker 2: Of I guess well, Jared, I don't know what you'd say,
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Speaker 2: hadn't confirmed whether you are are going to support mandatory
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Speaker 2: vaccinations or not.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say.
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Speaker 2: Though, I reckon it was probably a bit of a
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Speaker 2: distraction tool by the government to not answer questions on
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Speaker 2: the health situation that many people have been very concerned with.
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Speaker 2: But let's talk firstly about these mandatory vaccinations, Jared, do
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Speaker 2: the CLP support them?
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Speaker 3: Well, look what we're waiting for. We're waiting for some
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Speaker 3: health advice here. We've requested a briefing from the chow
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Speaker 3: with the Chief Health Officer about some health advice. We
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Speaker 3: don't want policy advice. We want health advice straight from
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Speaker 3: him or straight from the Deputy Chief Help Officer, because
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Speaker 3: we want to know from the horse's mouth about what
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Speaker 3: the health advice is about this. I am certainly not
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Speaker 3: a anti vaxxer. I'm for vaccinated. All our team are
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Speaker 3: all vaccinated, and I push out for anyone possibly get vaccinated.
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Speaker 3: Because that's our best defense for this virus. Then we
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Speaker 3: need to get that happening. I'm also very concerned whether
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Speaker 3: they're actually going to get that eighty percent rate in
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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory because as we know, there's lots of
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Speaker 3: people who haven't had the vaccine and the Gunner government
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Speaker 3: aren't rolling it out. There's people out there in these
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Speaker 3: communities where there's been a very low uptake. We've had
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Speaker 3: months and months to organize this. I think we've had
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Speaker 3: COVID nineteen since twenty nineteen, we've had the vaccine all
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Speaker 3: this year. So I'm really concerned that the Labor government
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Speaker 3: haven't done or they can to get people vaccinated because
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Speaker 3: it is our last defense.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know.
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Speaker 2: I guess the interesting thing though through the week was
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Speaker 2: not only did we see a situation where the Chief
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Speaker 2: Minister had obviously labeled the colp anti vaxxas, but he
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Speaker 2: also has launched a pretty stinging attack at his own party,
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Speaker 2: Senator Melanderry McCarthy. It does follow on from an interview
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Speaker 2: that she'd done with the ABC, as I understand it,
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Speaker 2: where I think that she had essentially said that you
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Speaker 2: know that she's pro pro people having the choice. So
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Speaker 2: in a statement though on Thursday night, mister Gunner said
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Speaker 2: that the Senator had misled him about her stance on
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Speaker 2: mandatory vaccination, and he said, I'm incredibly angry that, when
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Speaker 2: asked to clarify, Senator McCarthy made it clear to my
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Speaker 2: office she supported our mandatory vaccine policy, and that he's
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Speaker 2: since learned that she's failed to stand by that clarification
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Speaker 2: within the same day. To me, it has become quite
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Speaker 2: a bizarre situation where I don't really understand why the
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Speaker 2: Chief Minister is going down this path of calling everybody
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Speaker 2: anti vaxers that are talking about people having a choice.
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Speaker 5: I think Katie to be really fair either one way
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Speaker 5: or the other. That's it's just clear Cup, And it's
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Speaker 5: definitely clear Cup in my mind that either you're you know,
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Speaker 5: if you're sitting there saying that you're supporting pro choice,
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Speaker 5: then you're an anti vaxxer because let me, I'm to
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Speaker 5: finish here, because well, I don't think I think it's
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Speaker 5: back up completely with facts. So across Australia we've had
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Speaker 5: ten thousand young people, ten thousand kids under the age
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Speaker 5: of ten that have contracted COVID. Now what we're trying
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Speaker 5: to say and what we are saying, it's not trying
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Speaker 5: to say. We are saying that people that are going
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Speaker 5: to work once we hit that eighty percent and the
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Speaker 5: target is November.
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Speaker 4: We've been very clear on that.
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Speaker 5: People wanted a way forward and we've given them a
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Speaker 5: very clearly articulated way forward that when we hit that
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Speaker 5: eighty percent, which were the target is early November, that
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Speaker 5: everybody that works in those front line working with those
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Speaker 5: young kids that cannot get the vaccination, it's not about
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Speaker 5: the teacher. It's not about their choice anymore. It's actually
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Speaker 5: about protecting those young people. It's the same you know,
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Speaker 5: people that are working with people.
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Speaker 4: On the disabilities in my area.
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Speaker 2: It works.
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Speaker 5: You know, any of those areas ten thousand young people
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Speaker 5: under the age of ten across Australia Delta change things
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Speaker 5: and it's all based on science. So I mean, Jered,
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Speaker 5: you just said, you know you want to hear it
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Speaker 5: from the chow. The show is actually off at the
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Speaker 5: moment down in central Australia where we know there's bench
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Speaker 5: need to shake the change.
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Speaker 1: You're an anti.
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Speaker 3: Vaxxer and we want to get it done. He's been
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Speaker 3: away for three days with us.
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Speaker 6: Chain has a job screaming abuse at people, and you're
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Speaker 6: an anti vaxer. How helpful is that, Kate Rude. It's postractive,
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Speaker 6: it's not productive at all, it's insulted.
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Speaker 5: I think there's two sides to this year, either in
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Speaker 5: their supporting mandatory or you're not. You can't be in
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Speaker 5: the book it's fascinating and you're just trying to have Actually,
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Speaker 5: to me from from my perspective, I know that on
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Speaker 5: the phone lines and certainly from the messages that we
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Speaker 5: receive here at the radio station, there is an element
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Speaker 5: of the community that is anti vax There's no doubt about.
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Speaker 4: That, no doubt about it.
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Speaker 2: There's also an element of the community that is that
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Speaker 2: it's they need to be convinced, and I tell you what,
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Speaker 2: screaming at them, calling them anti vaxers does not convince them.
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Speaker 2: I actually think that if you want to win the
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Speaker 2: hearts and minds of people, you need to do it
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Speaker 2: in a constructive way and by really trying to yeah,
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Speaker 2: and by you know, trying to force something down their throats.
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Speaker 2: I like, I was sort of questioning throughout the week.
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Speaker 2: I didn't really understand why the Chief Minister had decided
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Speaker 2: to go on this sort of campaign where he was really,
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Speaker 2: you know, very angry towards anybody who didn't agree with
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Speaker 2: exactly what he was saying, and the large majority of
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Speaker 2: the community actually does agree that we need to be
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Speaker 2: vaccinated and they do feel as it.
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Speaker 1: Has to happen.
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Speaker 2: You know, look, definitely I'm pro vax. I've had both
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Speaker 2: of my vaccines, so there, you know, there is no
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Speaker 2: way that I'm anti vax. But I've definitely got members
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Speaker 2: of my family that are on the fence.
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Speaker 4: Katie.
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Speaker 1: You yeah, I've got young children, but I.
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Speaker 2: Tell you to vaccinat Yelling at someone that they need
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Speaker 2: to be vaccinated and that they're anti vax because they're
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Speaker 2: unsure has actually probably made them go a step backwards
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Speaker 2: where they're thinking, why is the government trying to force
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Speaker 2: me into this?
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Speaker 5: Brilliant I think that people have had a lost time
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Speaker 5: with a lot of information.
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Speaker 3: When did the government got to hide the one hand
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Speaker 3: over that you're the show for us to get some
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Speaker 3: health advice. We don't want policy advice. So what is
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Speaker 3: what is the motive for this? Why what is there
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Speaker 3: out there that's mean hidden from the public. Why won't
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Speaker 3: the labor government come out and be open and honest.
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Speaker 3: They're they're going to be open and accountable.
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Speaker 6: Well so, my theory is that the exhibition we saw
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Speaker 6: in Parliament, the Chief Minister going hysterical and calling people
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Speaker 6: anti vaxes, is all about his fear of the fact
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Speaker 6: that come Christmas, the Northern Territory will still be locked
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Speaker 6: out from the rest of the country because we have
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Speaker 6: large groups of people, mainly in remote parts of the
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Speaker 6: Northern Territory that are not vaccinated. And I'm sorry, Kate,
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Speaker 6: but yelling abuse and screaming anti vaxes at anyone at
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Speaker 6: this point in time is not going to change that.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that you know, you've just that argument.
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Speaker 5: It's you know, it's just going around and it's circular.
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Speaker 5: But essentially, you know, we've got you keep saying that
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Speaker 5: the you want the chow, you want the chow.
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Speaker 4: The chows actually actually.
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Speaker 5: Are doing the work, very work, Robin, that you're saying
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Speaker 5: down in Central Australia.
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Speaker 6: It's the Chief man is telling greeting abuse at people
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Speaker 6: in the chamber.
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Speaker 3: It's about education, about being educated. We can't have people
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Speaker 3: out there yelling and screaming anti facts because if you're
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Speaker 3: on the fence, like you said, Katie, and someone they're yelling,
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Speaker 3: I'll go, well, maybe I'm not going to do this
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Speaker 3: because there's got something to hide here. What's going on.
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Speaker 3: It's not about yelling and screamings about education because we
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Speaker 3: need people vaccinated full stop. That's the bottom line, as
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Speaker 3: many as possible, and anyone who and my children are young,
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Speaker 3: as soon as they're eligible, I'm going to give my
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Speaker 3: kids up. You're their vaccination as well, because the more
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Speaker 3: the Meria we need it happened, we need it done
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Speaker 3: as soon as we can. And I'm really worried about
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Speaker 3: I'm really worried in the labor government aren't educating and
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Speaker 3: aren't getting these vulnerable people vaccinated so when we're going
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Speaker 3: to hit this O e percent.
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Speaker 1: Coming in.
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Speaker 7: I agree with Kate at one level that I do
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Speaker 7: think it's important that people who are working in remote
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Speaker 7: areas with vulnerable people are vaccinated.
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Speaker 3: And I don't think that we all agree with that.
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Speaker 7: I don't.
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Speaker 8: I don't think that's.
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Speaker 7: An unnecessary or unreasonable request. What has really concerned me
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Speaker 7: this week is seeing comments from community leaders, both politicians
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Speaker 7: and other community leaders that are that in some cases
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Speaker 7: are so stridently anti vax you know, the stuff we
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Speaker 7: saw from the priests from the Greek Orthodox Church, the
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Speaker 7: stuff we saw in that letter from the Caliminian Brotherhood
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Speaker 7: just actually blows my mind that people. I just I
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Speaker 7: find it as almost at one level, it's sort of
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Speaker 7: a fascinating social phenomenon that's going on.
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Speaker 8: Like, how how have we got to a.
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Speaker 7: Point where people can believe these things that are so
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Speaker 7: clearly and so obviously untrue. You know, this this conspiracy
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Speaker 7: theory that the government was going to send us into
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Speaker 7: a lockdown for you know, two months and blame it
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Speaker 7: on you know, the Greek Church unity. It's just it's
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Speaker 7: just bizarre, beyond bizarre, and yet we live in a
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Speaker 7: world now where there's a significant number of people who
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Speaker 7: actually believe that.
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Speaker 8: I just worry about what society's coming to.
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Speaker 7: And then you look at what we're seeing on the
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Speaker 7: streets of Melbourne as well, where you've got you know,
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Speaker 7: they blame it on far right extremists, but it's not
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Speaker 7: just far right extremists, it's far left extremists as well.
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Speaker 7: There's a lot of similarities between the far left extremists
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Speaker 7: and the far right extremists at the moment, and you
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Speaker 7: just see those extreme views that are being pushed and
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Speaker 7: promoted on.
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Speaker 8: Social media as well.
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Speaker 7: I just I find it just absurd that we're in
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Speaker 7: this situation where if we all went out and got vaccinated,
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Speaker 7: we'd have a way out of this, and yet it's
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Speaker 7: see our own resistance that's stopping us.
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Speaker 2: But then we're also like, I think the part that
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Speaker 2: you actually pointed out just a couple of moments ago,
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Speaker 2: Robin is a really important one that then we are
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Speaker 2: all waiting to get to this eighty percent vaccination right now.
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Speaker 2: I know that it was raised with me a little
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Speaker 2: bit earlier in the week, believed by Greg Island from
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Speaker 2: the Chamber of Commerce, wanting a bit more information about
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Speaker 2: this traffic light system where we go from green to
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Speaker 2: amber to read with different different states and different locations
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Speaker 2: based on the COVID cases in other places. Now, we're
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Speaker 2: obviously all waiting until we get to eighty percent before
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Speaker 2: that system kicks in. But what are we going to
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Speaker 2: do when if, as the dougherity modeling suggests, the other
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Speaker 2: parts of the nation do open up, they reach that
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Speaker 2: eighty percent vaccination rate, they open up and there is
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Speaker 2: still going to be COVID in the community. Are we
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Speaker 2: going to wind up here in the Northern Territory where
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Speaker 2: even if we do reach the eighty percent VAX rate,
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Speaker 2: where we're closed off to those other places because there
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Speaker 2: is in the community.
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Speaker 6: Of what's coming.
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Speaker 3: And I just feel sorry for the tourism operators, the
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Speaker 3: people up here who've got these small businesses right across
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Speaker 3: the territory who are waiting on these people to come in.
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Speaker 3: Because we all know the international market is going to
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Speaker 3: be closed with well, but the Australian markets there's going
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Speaker 3: to be a drive market. We need to get on
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Speaker 3: the board and we need to get those people into
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Speaker 3: the territory as soon as we can. I think that
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Speaker 3: don't do it safely though.
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Speaker 5: We do need to do it safely, and I'm really
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Speaker 5: glad you added that, Jared, because essentially, you know, once
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Speaker 5: you're i mean, the road map out actually indicates you know,
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Speaker 5: if you'veaccinated, to go back to that if you' vaccinated,
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Speaker 5: we've got a lot more freedom.
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Speaker 1: So you know, you're going a lot so we're going.
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Speaker 5: To business that you can go, you can keep training business.
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Speaker 2: But it does also say that with those other states
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Speaker 2: if they are amber or read that obviously, we're not
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Speaker 2: going to be letting them in and we're not going
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Speaker 2: to be able to travel into them. And that's where
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering what the next steps are because if in
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Speaker 2: around the rest of Australia there's COVID around the place,
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Speaker 2: are we going to wind up lockdown?
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Speaker 8: I think.
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Speaker 7: I think the plan that was announced last week is
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Speaker 7: certainly a long way ahead of the plan that some
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Speaker 7: of the other states have got. Queensland Anastagia Palichet is
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Speaker 7: out this morning refusing to say when Queensland will open
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Speaker 7: its borders. Wa sounds like it wants to break off
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Speaker 7: from the rest of the country and stop anyone ever
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Speaker 7: coming in there again. So I think at least we've
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Speaker 7: got some kind of plan.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 7: My understanding from my sources within the government, and Kate
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Speaker 7: can correct me if I'm wrong, is that they're working
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Speaker 7: towards a system so at eighty percent they're talking about
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Speaker 7: this traffic light system where if you're from a red zone,
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Speaker 7: which is presumably what Sidney your album will be at
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Speaker 7: the moment, you've got to go into home quarantine if
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Speaker 7: you're fully vaccinated for two weeks, and if you're unvaccinated
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Speaker 7: you can't come in. But I think I'm told they're
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Speaker 7: working towards a system where you would get tested. If
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Speaker 7: you test negative before you get on the plane, you
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Speaker 7: can come and you would then do a rapid PCR
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Speaker 7: test at the airport when you arrive.
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Speaker 8: And then you would be free to go into the community.
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Speaker 8: They haven't articulated that yet.
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Speaker 7: That my understanding is that that is what they are
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Speaker 7: working towards, and I think that that would be a
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Speaker 7: good idea. Maybe Kate can tell us whether that's true.
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Speaker 5: No, I think what's been articulated so far is that
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Speaker 5: you know, if you go somewhere. Of course I don't
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Speaker 5: know about the rest of you in the room, but
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Speaker 5: if COVID's in a particular hot spot, I'm not traveling there.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the travel choice. They're the choices that
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Speaker 5: is our world now the week when you travel.
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Speaker 1: But when we're vaccinated.
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Speaker 5: If you're vaccinated and it becomes a hot spot, then
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Speaker 5: on your way back. But it does say home quarantine
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Speaker 5: until you're.
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Speaker 8: That's all the current plane.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it also it's home quarantine.
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Speaker 5: Hang on if I finish, it's home quarantine until you
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Speaker 5: have that test. So whether you have that test at
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Speaker 5: the airport or at home. I think that's that's as
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Speaker 5: usure and we get.
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Speaker 4: Eighty percent. That's correct, and so that's what we have articulation.
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Speaker 6: And that there lies the problem getting to that eighty percent,
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Speaker 6: particularly in Central Australia, we are not going to get
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Speaker 6: to eighty business.
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Speaker 4: There's a six week push right now for all.
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Speaker 7: Of those so you have there was there was data
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Speaker 7: that the ABC put out this work that shows the
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Speaker 7: NT is on track to be the last jurisdiction to
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Speaker 7: reach eighty percent double vase. So well, it was sort
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Speaker 7: of looking at mid November. But you know, we've heard
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Speaker 7: a lot of retrick about us being the best and
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Speaker 7: being on track and going really well. I think we're
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Speaker 7: probably lagging as far as the vaccination.
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Speaker 5: That we had to see the figures get to a point,
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Speaker 5: and I think that point was around sixty to seventy percent.
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Speaker 5: When you see those figures, you can actually see where
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Speaker 5: the low points are because the data that you actually
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Speaker 5: get back from into the system wasn't as accurate to.
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Speaker 4: Show you on that community. That community, that's what we need.
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Speaker 5: So we've got that sort of stuff coming through now
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Speaker 5: and right now we've got a six week push which
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Speaker 5: is where Hugh Heggy is at the moment, And can
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Speaker 5: I just clarify something to Jared. You've sent a couple
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Speaker 5: of times that you know you want advice only from
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Speaker 5: the Choe, So let me just clarify that for you,
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Speaker 5: what you're refusing to have is advice from Frank Daly,
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Speaker 5: who is our who is the Choe's boss, but is
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Speaker 5: also a doctor in his own right. So all our
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Speaker 5: policies that we're rolling out are informed by the Choe,
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Speaker 5: informed by health. So I just want to clarify that
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Speaker 5: we are refusing to meet with anybody other than Hugh Haggy,
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Speaker 5: but in fact you have a met briefing and that
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Speaker 5: briefing is with Hugh Heggey's boss, who's also a doctor.
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Speaker 3: You're exactly right. We want what you've got. We want
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Speaker 3: health advice, and we want it from the Chow. There's
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Speaker 3: not much to ask. He's only been away for three days.
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Speaker 3: We've asked his ten working, could you work? Because the
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Speaker 3: labor government haven't done that job and educated these communities
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Speaker 3: that we've.
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Speaker 1: Reached a point.
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Speaker 2: And I know I say this quite and on this show,
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Speaker 2: but it really boggles my mind very often, how deeply
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Speaker 2: divided the community becomes because we you know, we really
16:08
Speaker 2: let politics come into play so heavily in different really
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Speaker 2: important things. And I do think that this vaccination rate.
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Speaker 2: Oh hang on, Matt cunning AB's got two microphones now.
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Speaker 2: But when we talk about this vaccination rate and we
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Speaker 2: talk about trying to make sure that you know that
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Speaker 2: everybody comes along for the journey and that we do
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Speaker 2: get to that eighty percent rate, I actually think that
16:28
Speaker 2: everybody needs to have that health advice, you know, whether
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Speaker 2: you're talking about the COLP, whether you're talking about the
16:33
Speaker 2: Labor Party, whether you're talking about territorians, because that is
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Speaker 2: what we do lack in different ways, and that I
16:38
Speaker 2: think is sometimes where this does all get a bit
16:41
Speaker 2: a bit muddled up, and people get confused about whether
16:44
Speaker 2: they do want the vaccine, whether they don't want the vaccine.
16:47
Speaker 2: If we're hearing that health advice a little bit more
16:49
Speaker 2: often rather than wrapped in a political message from the
16:52
Speaker 2: Chief Minister, they may actually be a bit more open
16:54
Speaker 2: to us.
16:54
Speaker 4: I think we've been very clear on the roadmap. Look, Katie,
16:57
Speaker 4: very clear.
16:58
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the vaccination and about actually speaking to
17:02
Speaker 2: the health officials about it and hearing it from the
17:04
Speaker 2: health officials rather than getting that political.
17:07
Speaker 7: Still the most important bit of health advice, though, Katie, like,
17:10
Speaker 7: let's put all of the politics aside and all of
17:12
Speaker 7: the stupid yelling and screaming that goes on in question time.
17:17
Speaker 7: There's one important message here, and there's not a single
17:20
Speaker 7: respect to a health official who will just disagree we
17:23
Speaker 7: need to get vaccinated.
17:24
Speaker 8: Just go out and get vaccinated.
17:26
Speaker 7: It's that easy, and that you know, we want our
17:29
Speaker 7: old life back, that's what we need to do. I
17:31
Speaker 7: find it just remarkable that at the moment it's our
17:33
Speaker 7: own resistance that's stopping us from getting where we need
17:36
Speaker 7: to be.
17:37
Speaker 6: But do you know it's interesting, Matt. The flip side
17:40
Speaker 6: to that is that there are people that don't mind
17:42
Speaker 6: this new life that's come about through COVID, that they
17:46
Speaker 6: don't want to travel to Bali or Sydney for their
17:49
Speaker 6: holidays or wherever. They're quite happy to just keep living
17:52
Speaker 6: the way they're living. And they're the people that you've
17:54
Speaker 6: got to get over the line, not by accusing them
17:57
Speaker 6: of being anti vaxes, but hating them like you Heggy
18:01
Speaker 6: and the Police Commissioner have been doing this week, not
18:04
Speaker 6: by abusing them, or weaponizing the whole issue like we
18:07
Speaker 6: saw in Parliament this week, but just through simple education
18:10
Speaker 6: and good communication, I think.
18:12
Speaker 3: People got education. It brings to mind what is going
18:14
Speaker 3: to got to hide? Why want to get that health
18:16
Speaker 3: advice out to us, to the average punchery out there
18:18
Speaker 3: in the street. What is going to go to being hidden?
18:23
Speaker 3: Why doesn't that health advice come out?
18:24
Speaker 5: Just get there's your message, Just get vaccinated. If you
18:28
Speaker 5: need more than that, I'm not sure how much more
18:31
Speaker 5: with people in communities need more than that.
18:35
Speaker 6: They need to be nurtured and have a lot of women.
18:39
Speaker 6: We're putting that message over the.
18:43
Speaker 2: I'm just going to make the executive decision to turn
18:46
Speaker 2: those mics down and head to a break. You are
18:48
Speaker 2: listening to Mix one O four point nine three sixty.
18:50
Speaker 2: It is the week that was, its anti well, you
18:56
Speaker 2: are listening to the week that was and joining us
18:58
Speaker 2: in the studio this morning, Malee, Matt Cunningham, Robin Lamley
19:02
Speaker 2: and Kate Warden And obviously Parliament did sit during the
19:06
Speaker 2: week and one of the areas that the COLP did
19:08
Speaker 2: try to focus on was the health system and it
19:11
Speaker 2: is something that we've spoken about very extensively on this show,
19:14
Speaker 2: which is why I think that it is imperative that
19:17
Speaker 2: we talk about it again. Some questions like how long
19:21
Speaker 2: are people on those weight lists for when it comes
19:23
Speaker 2: to elective surgeries and how badly have they been delayed? Matt,
19:27
Speaker 2: This is obviously something that you'd written a few articles
19:31
Speaker 2: about last week. We also spoke to one of our
19:35
Speaker 2: regular listeners, Keith towards the end of last week, who
19:39
Speaker 2: was in an ambulance outside of Royal Darwin Hospital. Obviously
19:43
Speaker 2: the ambulance is ramping there and really it does point
19:46
Speaker 2: to something that cath Hatcher had spoken to us about
19:48
Speaker 2: last week about the hospital system being at crisis point,
19:51
Speaker 2: but also there been some real issues out in the
19:53
Speaker 2: remote communities and other areas as well when it comes
19:56
Speaker 2: to staffing. It's something that's not going away, and it's
20:00
Speaker 2: also something that throughout that roadmap that the Chief Minister
20:03
Speaker 2: obviously unveiled, he did say that our health system is
20:07
Speaker 2: in a situation where it would not cope if we
20:10
Speaker 2: have COVID in the community, which is a real worry.
20:13
Speaker 2: He'd even gone so far as to reveal how many
20:16
Speaker 2: intensive care beds or how many places we would have
20:19
Speaker 2: if people needed respirators and that kind of thing.
20:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was eight, So it's a very low number.
20:28
Speaker 2: There is no doubt that the hospital system and the
20:30
Speaker 2: health systems already under stress. I you know, I was
20:34
Speaker 2: a bit disappointed, I've got to tell you through the
20:35
Speaker 2: week then to hear when those questions were being asked
20:38
Speaker 2: that it turned into that real debate about anti vaxes
20:41
Speaker 2: because I actually think that they're questions that a lot
20:44
Speaker 2: of everyday territories want to know the answers to, particularly
20:48
Speaker 2: if you have somebody who's waiting for an aged care bed,
20:51
Speaker 2: for example. And that's something that we spoke to the
20:53
Speaker 2: Health Minister, Natasha Files about earlier in the week, and
20:56
Speaker 2: she had said on this show, she'd revealed on this
20:58
Speaker 2: show last Friday that there's sixty provisional beds that are
21:02
Speaker 2: going to be coming online for age care, but then
21:04
Speaker 2: she admitted through the week on the show that there
21:07
Speaker 2: are a couple of years away.
21:09
Speaker 1: So we've got a real you know, it is a
21:11
Speaker 1: real concern right now.
21:12
Speaker 2: And I know that the age care beds fall under
21:16
Speaker 2: funding falls under the federal Health or the federal government,
21:19
Speaker 2: but it's you know, it is it would be absolutely
21:23
Speaker 2: devastating if you had an elderly parent right now waiting
21:26
Speaker 2: for a bed. I've heard from people who've got parents
21:29
Speaker 2: who've been on wait lists for two years it's now
21:32
Speaker 2: come to that time where they need a bed and
21:34
Speaker 2: they're not able to get one.
21:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, the questions that we ask in Parliament, we don't
21:38
Speaker 3: just make them up. They come from people coming into
21:40
Speaker 3: the doors, coming into the and talking to us when
21:43
Speaker 3: I'm going shopping or out in the community. So these
21:45
Speaker 3: questions are questions that people in the community want answers to.
21:49
Speaker 3: And unfortunately the display from the Labor government. I asked
21:52
Speaker 3: a question about the elective surgeries, there is no answer
21:55
Speaker 3: to that, and you are asked it twice and at
21:57
Speaker 3: another time and there's still no answer to that. So
22:00
Speaker 3: it's really concerning that these questions don't get answered and
22:03
Speaker 3: we come back with some sort of spin and we
22:05
Speaker 3: accident there's any vaccing being yelled. We've asked a very
22:08
Speaker 3: simple question about health. And remember I accepted the age
22:12
Speaker 3: cares funded by the federal government who but basically they
22:15
Speaker 3: give the anti government a whole bunch of money and
22:17
Speaker 3: they look after it. And then so my cynical mind
22:20
Speaker 3: might think if these agecare people are sitting in the hospital,
22:23
Speaker 3: they still get the federal money for the age care,
22:25
Speaker 3: but they don't provide it. So maybe the government's getting
22:30
Speaker 3: I'm just can I finish, so maybe that the federal
22:32
Speaker 3: government's giving the anti the money to put these age
22:36
Speaker 3: cares into beds. They haven't done that, They still get
22:38
Speaker 3: the money and they put the age care into the hospital.
22:40
Speaker 5: I think that's really a very sympstic condition, genous, genuous
22:44
Speaker 5: look at it. The federal government is responsible for age
22:48
Speaker 5: care here. You don't see them building aged care. They
22:51
Speaker 5: give the program money for assisting and caring for those people.
22:56
Speaker 5: And my understanding is that if you've got a person
22:58
Speaker 5: in age care that is in a hospital system, they
23:00
Speaker 5: are well cared for with that money. The provision of buildings,
23:04
Speaker 5: I think one of the things that you have to
23:05
Speaker 5: look a bit more broader. This is not just about
23:07
Speaker 5: you know, we've got sixty beds that are blocked up.
23:09
Speaker 5: Is we have to do something about that, and we
23:11
Speaker 5: have a plan now to do that. And the Healthfulness
23:13
Speaker 5: has said that people are staying longer in the Northern Territory.
23:17
Speaker 5: I think that it used to be that you'd get
23:18
Speaker 5: older and you'd move away. So we've got a lot
23:21
Speaker 5: more older people. And this is what I'm being told.
23:23
Speaker 5: I'm not saying, they're not just making this up on
23:26
Speaker 5: the spot. People are staying here longer. And then these
23:28
Speaker 5: people that are in there, we're not talking about you know,
23:31
Speaker 5: you're eighty year old, that can no longer. We're talking
23:33
Speaker 5: about people with dementia. We're talking about that need that
23:36
Speaker 5: twenty four hour a day care. That isn't the purview
23:39
Speaker 5: of the federal government. They've now come to the party
23:41
Speaker 5: they're going to build something. But there are some really
23:44
Speaker 5: good partnerships. Over the last few years. I've had quite
23:46
Speaker 5: a few people, so they're really interested in this space
23:49
Speaker 5: for building aged care and then they can get that
23:51
Speaker 5: funding from the Feds to do that. Those I've not
23:54
Speaker 5: seen those get up and a lot of that, and
23:56
Speaker 5: I think the Chief Ministers said now that we'd be
23:58
Speaker 5: very happy to give up some land or work with
24:00
Speaker 5: them for some land around providing that age care beds.
24:04
Speaker 5: From my mind, we just get on and do it.
24:06
Speaker 1: To be fair.
24:07
Speaker 2: Though we actually were talking about this on either last
24:10
Speaker 2: time there was a Code yellow, not the most recent
24:12
Speaker 2: one this year, but I mean, like about a year
24:14
Speaker 2: ago when there was a code yellow and we're talking
24:16
Speaker 2: about the age care beds back then. And so, as
24:19
Speaker 2: I'd said to the Health Minister earlier in the week,
24:21
Speaker 2: you know, what do we do in the meantime, Like
24:23
Speaker 2: what do those families do in the meantime when it's
24:25
Speaker 2: not as if this issue is just crept upon us.
24:28
Speaker 2: It's something that's been bubbling along for quite some time.
24:31
Speaker 2: And I know that there's plenty of different elements. I'm
24:33
Speaker 2: certainly not a health professional. I don't know how you
24:35
Speaker 2: fix these issues, but we can't sort of just you know,
24:38
Speaker 2: fumble along the way that we are currently and can
24:41
Speaker 2: continue to be in the situation that we are with
24:44
Speaker 2: our health system. And these are not my words, these
24:47
Speaker 2: are the words from the nursing Union last week that
24:51
Speaker 2: the health system is at crisis point.
24:53
Speaker 3: I just remember the labor government have been in powerful
24:55
Speaker 3: like seventeen of the last twenty one years. We know
24:57
Speaker 3: we had four years of the COELP, so there's been
24:59
Speaker 3: a lo long time to fix.
25:03
Speaker 8: Blaming.
25:10
Speaker 3: The government has.
25:11
Speaker 5: Been in power for quite some time too, and they.
25:13
Speaker 3: Don't see them stopping territoris.
25:15
Speaker 5: I'm talking about eight we're talking about aged care, which
25:17
Speaker 5: is in the purview of the federal government.
25:19
Speaker 4: And what have they done for the.
25:20
Speaker 3: Church to give you the money?
25:22
Speaker 5: Perhaps tomorrow, Jared, you can go and have a chat,
25:24
Speaker 5: do you make Colbeck and say, look, can you.
25:26
Speaker 4: Escuss this.
25:29
Speaker 1: Age they did?
25:30
Speaker 6: And because of all these sorts of problems, can I
25:32
Speaker 6: just put on the record here that in Alice Springs
25:34
Speaker 6: we have one mainstream age care facility that is currently
25:39
Speaker 6: being sanctioned by the federal government and from about two
25:42
Speaker 6: months ago to the end of January, they are not
25:45
Speaker 6: taking any new residents, which means that anyone who has
25:50
Speaker 6: a family member or themselves requiring age care, they either
25:55
Speaker 6: stay at home or they go under the Alice Springs Hospital.
25:58
Speaker 6: So if you're talking about a crisis, here is an
26:00
Speaker 6: other one.
26:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do just sorry, Matt, that's extraordinary. Well, yeah, unbelievable.
26:06
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable, and it's incredibly well and it's not
26:09
Speaker 2: only I think that you know, at the end of
26:12
Speaker 2: the day, we're not just talking about those age care beds,
26:14
Speaker 2: so we're also talking about those mental health beds.
26:17
Speaker 5: Matt.
26:17
Speaker 2: That's something that you've reported on pretty extensively. You know,
26:20
Speaker 2: the shortage of those mental health beads and mental health
26:23
Speaker 2: patients then being in the emergency department at different times.
26:26
Speaker 1: We know that we've got half of a surgical ward.
26:28
Speaker 2: As I understand it, being utilized to house those that
26:32
Speaker 2: should realistically be in a facility that's actually going to
26:35
Speaker 2: help them, you know, rather than being in a bed
26:38
Speaker 2: where presumably they're not doing any sort of activity or
26:40
Speaker 2: exercise to help them with their mental health concerns.
26:43
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think what we're also seeing, Katie, I
26:47
Speaker 7: mean the people I talk to, so the situation right
26:49
Speaker 7: now in our hospital system. I know it's always pretty bad,
26:53
Speaker 7: but at the moment, it's worse than it's ever been.
26:56
Speaker 7: And those staff, that's the real issue. The staff who
26:59
Speaker 7: work there are at absolute breaking point. You know, we're
27:03
Speaker 7: hearing about nurses having to work eighten hour shifts. We're
27:06
Speaker 7: hearing about people being totally stretched across two hospitals, sorry,
27:10
Speaker 7: two campuses of the one hospital. You know, their resources,
27:15
Speaker 7: you know, stretched in just an absurd way. Now, my
27:19
Speaker 7: understanding is that there was that meeting held a couple
27:21
Speaker 7: of weeks ago where you know, there was a plan
27:25
Speaker 7: that was going to be developed as to how they're
27:27
Speaker 7: going to deal with this I think the health departments
27:29
Speaker 7: due to report back on that plan by the end
27:31
Speaker 7: of this month, so it will be interesting to see
27:33
Speaker 7: what solutions they come up with.
27:35
Speaker 8: It will also be interesting to see.
27:37
Speaker 7: Whether the government's going to be willing to be public
27:40
Speaker 7: with what those solutions are and what's being done. Jared,
27:42
Speaker 7: I absolutely understand your frustration when it comes to not
27:45
Speaker 7: being able to get an answer to a question, because
27:48
Speaker 7: when we, you know, send questions to ministers or government departments,
27:54
Speaker 7: you know, it often takes days for them to respond,
27:57
Speaker 7: and then the questions that we asked are usually not
27:59
Speaker 7: answered at all. Instead, what what you sent is some
28:03
Speaker 7: bit of spin that they've spent three days trying to
28:06
Speaker 7: cook up, you know, and then getting signed off by seven.
28:09
Speaker 8: It is. It is, and it's not offensive.
28:11
Speaker 1: To us asking yes to it.
28:13
Speaker 7: It's offensive to the people who deserve to have that information.
28:16
Speaker 7: You know, this government, before they came to power in
28:18
Speaker 7: twenty sixteen, made all these promises about openness and transparent
28:22
Speaker 7: and accountability, and they've all gone out the window, you know,
28:25
Speaker 7: like they just don't seem to care anymore. It's all
28:27
Speaker 7: about managing the message and making sure that I refused that.
28:30
Speaker 5: Matt and I think that you know, all of those
28:33
Speaker 5: questions that go out to the media do come via.
28:36
Speaker 5: I have a look at them and chat with them
28:39
Speaker 5: and change them and do all those sorts of things myself.
28:41
Speaker 5: But I try to be as absolutely as transparent as
28:44
Speaker 5: we can, certainly out of my office. I'm specting that's.
28:48
Speaker 7: Fair, Kate. I would say that you are a rare,
28:51
Speaker 7: rare exception in this case, but some other offices, it's
28:56
Speaker 7: just it is.
28:57
Speaker 8: It's offensive what.
28:58
Speaker 6: We saw in Parliament on Wednesday, all those questions the
29:02
Speaker 6: Opposition were asking about health. The response was, you know,
29:05
Speaker 6: just a bunch of anti VAX's. It was a distraction.
29:09
Speaker 6: The Chief Minister and the lead of Government Business became hysterical.
29:13
Speaker 6: They would not answer those questions at all. And it
29:16
Speaker 6: was offensive because they were good questions. The day before,
29:19
Speaker 6: the opposition asked a whole bunch of questions about crime
29:23
Speaker 6: which were not being answered to anyone satisfaction by the
29:27
Speaker 6: Minister for Police. The same thing. It's about spin and
29:32
Speaker 6: not answering the question. And I know that's what Question
29:34
Speaker 6: time is about, to some extent the RGI bargie of politics,
29:38
Speaker 6: but it does become incredibly offensive. I spat the dummy
29:41
Speaker 6: on Tuesday. I couldn't cope with the lack of respect
29:45
Speaker 6: for what I saw for people that are affected by
29:50
Speaker 6: crime on Tuesday. It was really awful.
29:53
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what I've also noticed. I mean, I
29:55
Speaker 7: didn't tune in directly this week, but I saw the
29:57
Speaker 7: TV reports having watched Parliament recently, and it always is
30:03
Speaker 7: argie bargie. Yeah, I reckon from both sides. There's a
30:07
Speaker 7: real lack of respect for the position of the speaker
30:09
Speaker 7: in the Parliament.
30:11
Speaker 2: Actually, Kesier actually stood up and made a point of
30:14
Speaker 2: that earlier in the Will yesterday, I think it was,
30:16
Speaker 2: and said that there was a real lack of respect
30:19
Speaker 2: for the speaker's position, and I noticed it myself when
30:21
Speaker 2: I was watching. I thought, she's literally had to actually
30:25
Speaker 2: pull well both sides of Parliament up here on a
30:28
Speaker 2: number of occasions. But she'd asked the Chief Minister to
30:32
Speaker 2: withdraw a comment about anti vax and he refused to
30:36
Speaker 2: Like to me, I actually think people expect better behavior.
30:39
Speaker 2: And then at one point she welcomed a young person
30:42
Speaker 2: who was doing work experience in someone's office, a school student,
30:45
Speaker 2: and I thought, goodness me, that poor kid standing there
30:49
Speaker 2: or sitting there watching this. It's really not you know,
30:52
Speaker 2: it's really not the kind of behavior. I don't think
30:55
Speaker 2: that we that we expect, or that we elect people for,
31:00
Speaker 2: you know, the constituents.
31:01
Speaker 6: Expect or Wan Nurry, our kid is still essentially a
31:05
Speaker 6: member of the Labor caucus. For her to throw out
31:08
Speaker 6: the Chief Minister for refusing to take instructions and the
31:12
Speaker 6: leader of Government Business has personal implications for her. I mean,
31:16
Speaker 6: she's trying to do her job to the best of
31:18
Speaker 6: her ability, but to throw out her boss and effectively
31:22
Speaker 6: the two I see is a big call. She threw
31:25
Speaker 6: me out on Tuesday for it a lot less And
31:28
Speaker 6: can I.
31:28
Speaker 5: Be fair, Robin, you were interjecting, continuously doing.
31:31
Speaker 6: You're my usual line. Can say that questions territory more different,
31:40
Speaker 6: can I?
31:40
Speaker 4: But you were interrupting the speaker.
31:42
Speaker 6: Say no, Madam speaker, I'm not withdrawing. I didn't defy her,
31:46
Speaker 6: and I didn't.
31:46
Speaker 4: Deflect or reflect. And to be fair, you're usually a
31:50
Speaker 4: little tamer than that.
31:51
Speaker 5: This time you didn't stop to her point that we
31:53
Speaker 5: couldn't hear the conwer.
31:54
Speaker 7: The questions on the restoring integrity and government whole thing
31:58
Speaker 7: about Labour's belief that this be an independent speaker.
32:01
Speaker 4: There's three that was.
32:04
Speaker 6: You're absolutely okay, you're not quite by to answer this one.
32:08
Speaker 6: He made a commitment. There was an attempt to get
32:12
Speaker 6: rid of Kesier as Speaker by the CLP. The now
32:16
Speaker 6: Chief Minister stated in parliament that under his reign there
32:19
Speaker 6: would always be an independent speaker. Now he's conveniently forgot what.
32:23
Speaker 8: I'm going to have to good Speaker, Robin.
32:27
Speaker 6: Not interested.
32:29
Speaker 5: You've got to think about numbers on the floor, and
32:32
Speaker 5: you know we do have the majority of extra one.
32:35
Speaker 4: Well, that's right.
32:36
Speaker 6: Shall we talk about yesterday afternoon the Leader of Government
32:42
Speaker 6: Business lied in parliament. I'm quite happy to say this
32:45
Speaker 6: publicly because we reflected on Handsard. She said she didn't
32:49
Speaker 6: call the opposition and he vaxes after being told not to.
32:53
Speaker 6: Hansard came out at five o'clock yesterday afternoon and you
32:56
Speaker 6: can see where she she defied the ruling of the speaker.
33:00
Speaker 6: Will be interesting to see what the opposition does about this.
33:03
Speaker 3: Had a handstart Russian and the leader of the Opposition
33:06
Speaker 3: made a German speech yesterday just to put on notice
33:09
Speaker 3: that the hand side is clear that she called Natasha
33:12
Speaker 3: Philes called lear anifaca after the speaker said don't and
33:16
Speaker 3: then she said she didn't do it. So I think
33:19
Speaker 3: is really clear in the handsard because it's the black
33:21
Speaker 3: and white and speaker, so there will be some consequences
33:26
Speaker 3: of that, I'm sure.
33:27
Speaker 5: I think that Nuri is doing a very good job.
33:29
Speaker 5: She's a year into it now a speaker, and I
33:31
Speaker 5: think that she will make those rulings in between sittings.
33:35
Speaker 5: We do get some procedural schooling from the speaker around
33:40
Speaker 5: what's acceptable and what's not. I certainly read those quite
33:44
Speaker 5: carefully between sittings and Nari's on point with that stuff,
33:47
Speaker 5: and she, you know, so many parts to her job.
33:51
Speaker 5: It is not as simple as just sitting in a chair.
33:55
Speaker 6: Her such a hard respect.
33:58
Speaker 3: Next week she made a rule and the chief men
34:00
Speaker 3: of that ruling is very clear.
34:02
Speaker 1: I think to do that well.
34:04
Speaker 2: Paul from Humpty Doo's Center say text and just said
34:07
Speaker 2: the behavior in Parliament this week is exactly why people
34:10
Speaker 2: have no trust in the government and don't want to
34:12
Speaker 2: listen to them because they act like well, I won't
34:15
Speaker 2: use that word, but.
34:18
Speaker 5: You know, it's all very well about what's been reported,
34:21
Speaker 5: you know, but sitting on the floor of Parliament myself,
34:25
Speaker 5: it's equal from both sides.
34:27
Speaker 4: There's a lot of interjections.
34:28
Speaker 5: I know that when I stand on my feet sometimes
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Speaker 5: I don't even get to say one sentence before someone's
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Speaker 5: yelling something at me. To be quite frank, you know,
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Speaker 5: we had the Leader of the Opposition last settings pointing
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Speaker 5: out and carrying on and saying that the Chief Minister had.
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Speaker 4: A physically big head.
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Speaker 5: Those sorts of things being said on the floor of
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Speaker 5: Parliament often disappoint me. So horse and say, you know,
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Speaker 5: it's all us, It's all us.
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Speaker 2: You introject to Kate, Well, I'm going to interject and
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Speaker 2: we're going to go to an ad break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine.
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was.
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Speaker 2: It is just twelve minutes away from ten o'clock and
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Speaker 2: we have just been advised by the Northern Territory Police
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Speaker 2: that they are investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of
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Speaker 2: a male in Darwin this morning. Police were called to
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Speaker 2: a property in the CBD around twelve thirty this morning
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Speaker 2: and detectives and a crime and crime scene investigators are
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Speaker 2: at that location. So we will try our best to
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Speaker 2: keep you up to date with any further information as
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Speaker 2: it comes to hand. But on that note, we do
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Speaker 2: know that we've had a few terrible incidents. Well one
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Speaker 2: in particular actually earlier this week yesterday, the Territory Police
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Speaker 2: did arrest a seventeen year old following on from an
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Speaker 2: alleged forced entry of a home in Leanna and the
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Speaker 2: assault of a nine year old child. This happened overnight
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Speaker 2: on Wednesday. Serious crime detectives were earlier in the week
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Speaker 2: obviously investigating that aggravated unlawful entry in Leanna and the
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Speaker 2: assault of this nine year old child. I've got to
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Speaker 2: tell you, I think it's enough to you know, to
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Speaker 2: scare any it does. It makes you sick, and it
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Speaker 2: makes you really concern you know, anybody, whether you're a
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Speaker 2: parent or not. But my kids are around that age
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Speaker 2: and I think if they're asleep in their beds, you
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Speaker 2: should be able to feel as though they're safe asleep
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Speaker 2: in their.
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Speaker 4: Beds, nothing worse. I don't think any of us are
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Speaker 4: going to disagree on that.
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Speaker 3: Earlier in the year, there's that where there someone broke
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Speaker 3: into the hou I'm in North Suburbs and sold of
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Speaker 3: the twelve or thirteen year old girl. Yes, I know
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Speaker 3: that family and that that girl was traumatized, absolutely traumatized
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Speaker 3: by this. Imagine, well there's nine, I've got a nine
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Speaker 3: year old daughter. Yeah, and you know this alleged seventeen
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Speaker 3: year old and allegedly breaking in there. Kay, you're the
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Speaker 3: minister for you justice. What would you say to their parents? Well,
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Speaker 3: would you say that they don't.
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Speaker 5: Don't go and putting words in my mouth because I
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Speaker 5: have to do as a parent and now a grandparent,
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Speaker 5: I can think of absolutely nothing worse than this happening
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Speaker 5: to your kids. I'm not going to sit here and
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Speaker 5: defend anything. I can't speak for the actions of this
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Speaker 5: seventeen year old or the circumstances, because let's be really clear,
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Speaker 5: this is actually with police. There's a big investigation going ahead,
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Speaker 5: and so it should be. But I am not going
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Speaker 5: to sit here and say anything other than you know,
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Speaker 5: this would be a parent's worst nightmare. I know myself,
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Speaker 5: you would be as a parent, grandparent, it would be sickening.
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Speaker 4: So I'm not going to talk on this any further
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Speaker 4: at all.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to make any comments further than this,
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Speaker 5: because that's exactly where I'm at with this particular matter.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately earlier in the week as well, we know that
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Speaker 2: there's been much less serious crimes committed or situations unfold.
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Speaker 2: We spoke to the manager of Kazali's last week who'd
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Speaker 2: had a group of young people rampage through their establishment,
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Speaker 2: some as young as eleven years old. We'd also had
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Speaker 2: a situation at I think it was the Wanguri shops
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Speaker 2: earlier in the week as well, where a wogaman sorry,
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Speaker 2: the Timberman shops where they are in a similar situation. Robin,
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Speaker 2: It's something you know that you talk about in Ella
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Speaker 2: Springs very often. You'd been calling over a so for
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Speaker 2: some changes to the Was it the youth hub as well?
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Speaker 6: Look, there was an announcement today, I think all this
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Speaker 6: morning about changes to the opening of the youth hub
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Speaker 6: in Alice Springs. Look, this problem is not going away
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Speaker 6: in Alice Springs. There's no reduction that the crime stats
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Speaker 6: that came out last Friday were horrific. Harping back to
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Speaker 6: what happened in Parliament, Tuesday seemed to be the day
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Speaker 6: that most questions were asked about crime. The Police Minister
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Speaker 6: consistently says she's poured more money into police services resource
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Speaker 6: the police more now than ever. So why are we
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Speaker 6: seeing this across the board increase in crime? That's what
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Speaker 6: I want to be answered.
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Speaker 7: And the other thing I think we need to look
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Speaker 7: at again is our alcohol policy and whether it's working
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Speaker 7: or not. We've been told that we will have a
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Speaker 7: extensive evaluation of the alcohol policies that were put in
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Speaker 7: place in place at great expense. But you would have
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Speaker 7: to say, on the face of it, at the moment
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Speaker 7: those figures that you're talking about from last Friday, Robin
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Speaker 7: wered just incredible.
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Speaker 8: Something is not working right and.
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Speaker 6: There's no acknowledgment of that. The Police Minister had about
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Speaker 6: six opportunities in question time on Tuesday to say, yes,
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Speaker 6: crime is a problem. She will never say that.
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Speaker 4: Let me.
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Speaker 6: She will say is how great she is doing in
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Speaker 6: this space. And the police they are doing their best.
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Speaker 6: But it's only about the tools that they've got to
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Speaker 6: work with, the policy and the resources and the good
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Speaker 6: will of government and indeed the legislation. It's not working.
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Speaker 6: There's no acknowledgement, Kate, There's no recognition.
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Speaker 5: Is it's been an issue to every government for a
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Speaker 5: very long time.
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Speaker 4: As bad as this in US, I have to say.
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Speaker 5: I've got a I've got a couple of media releases
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Speaker 5: given out by various ministers, colp ministers and people in
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Speaker 5: other springs around. Hang on a moment. I'm not saying that, Jared.
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Speaker 5: What I'm saying is I've got lots and lots of
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Speaker 5: releases where prime crime has been a problem for a
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Speaker 5: very long time, has never disad But this has not
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Speaker 5: just arrived on our doorstep. And for every young person
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Speaker 5: that we see a story about, you know, my agency
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Speaker 5: is working with the fifty odd family.
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Speaker 6: So I'm not going from you.
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Speaker 4: Did you just hear that from me?
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Speaker 6: You're saying it's a problem.
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Speaker 4: Because you guys do that quite regularly.
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Speaker 5: What I'm saying have you read the crimes ongoing problem
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Speaker 5: for every single government and we've got a whole range
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Speaker 5: of things. So just on Alice Springs yesterday, we've said
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Speaker 5: that we won't go beyond ten PM. That's the release
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Speaker 5: we've put out today, and by the end of the
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Speaker 5: year we'll be looking at a different model. And we're
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Speaker 5: working really hard with ten and Jeer because we know
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Speaker 5: that if you keep kids activing, engaged and engaged with
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Speaker 5: really good role models, then you can avoid this stuff.
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Speaker 5: So we're working really hard in the preventative space. It
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Speaker 5: ain't going to be fixed tomorrow because that's.
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Speaker 6: Just a worst cape.
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Speaker 3: Do you think how long.
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Speaker 8: Month or month?
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Speaker 6: For about the last twelve months, the crime stats coming
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Speaker 6: out for the whole of the Northern Territory plate paints
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Speaker 6: a very bleak picture. But more you've crime escalating, So
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Speaker 6: you will you admit somebody going to get any worse?
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Speaker 5: So will you admit, Robin, that clime in our springs
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Speaker 5: goes up and down all the time and has done
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Speaker 5: even when you were in government now to go down.
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Speaker 6: So it's been going up for.
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Speaker 4: A long time.
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Speaker 5: That in our springs too, though Jared wants to talk
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Speaker 5: about how long we've been in power. The colp and
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Speaker 5: yourself have springs forever, like we've had Dale Wakefield for
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Speaker 5: four years. Only in our springs you've got Chancey Paik,
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Speaker 5: who does a lot of work in Central Australia.
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Speaker 6: To be governing for all the territory.
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Speaker 5: And it has to say, what did you achieve in
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Speaker 5: your time?
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Speaker 6: We didn't preside over crime levels LIKECADE and that's nothing interventionary.
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Speaker 5: You'd actually cut all those programs and all the money
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Speaker 5: in those programs.
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Speaker 4: Robin, You know that that's a focus yourself, Like I.
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Speaker 2: Think that that's actually I get what you're selling, Cake,
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Speaker 2: I get that obviously, this is that's been going on
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Speaker 2: for an incredibly long period of time. But like at
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Speaker 2: the moment, you know, we have we've got a situation
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Speaker 2: where we've got a seventeen year old who's breaking into
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Speaker 2: a house and assaulting a nine year old, and that's
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Speaker 2: you know, that's one example. We've got plenty of examples
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Speaker 2: that have come through in some of those pressure releases
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Speaker 2: that come out where we've then got kids who are
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Speaker 2: on serious breach of bail offenses. Now, but what happens
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Speaker 2: if it is a serious breach of bail offense, And
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Speaker 2: that's kind of a good question that's been that's been
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Speaker 2: asked for a long time. So they can take attention,
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Speaker 2: but they've still got to go in front of the
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Speaker 2: court and in front of the.
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Speaker 3: Judge if the young lawyers don't find exceptional circumstances, which
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Speaker 3: is labor government inserted in the last minute of these
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Speaker 3: really tough bail they watered down in the last day.
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Speaker 3: Do you have evident minister, if you got your minister,
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Speaker 3: do you have you're the minister correct? Do you have
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Speaker 3: a suit. I'm saying that the Labor government came out
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Speaker 3: and said we're going to make the toughest bail laws ever.
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Speaker 3: And on the day these wars were debated in the chamber,
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Speaker 3: they come in and they made an exception and put
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Speaker 3: exceptional circumstances in there. And let me tell you, as
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Speaker 3: an ex offense lawyer, they're the words that I want
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Speaker 3: to see in the legislation because that gives us.
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Speaker 6: But you have to prove.
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Speaker 4: So what you're saying, you have to prove.
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Speaker 3: Circum can be anything.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're going to have to take a very short break.
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Speaker 2: We are running out of time. You're listening to Mix
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Speaker 2: one oh four point nine's three six EARI is the
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Speaker 2: week that was Well, that is just about it for
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Speaker 2: us this morning. You have been listening to the week
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Speaker 2: that was right here on Mixed one O four nine
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Speaker 2: and also on ad H and Alice Springs.
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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, thank you so very much for your time
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Speaker 1: this morning.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks a lot.
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Speaker 2: And Robin Lamley, the independent member for our lun thank
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Speaker 2: you for your time today.
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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me Katie.
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Speaker 2: And also Kate Warden, the Member Well the Minister for
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Speaker 2: territory families is what I'm trying to say.
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Speaker 1: And housing. Thank you for your time today.
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Speaker 4: Thank you Katie, and I'm looking forward.
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Speaker 5: I'm heading out to do some breaking of ground shortly
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Speaker 5: for some more specialty disability housing in the normal with
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Speaker 5: some of ill Thank you coming.
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Speaker 6: To Alice Springs next week.
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Speaker 2: Springs listeners hunt by happening there smoking the person who's
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Speaker 2: brought it and it's.
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Speaker 1: All on the control. When is that happening?
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Speaker 3: So we're trying to do Sunday but he can't make
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Speaker 3: it and you're taking three people out now.
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Speaker 2: Well that's for the Camp Quality Radio auction.
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Speaker 1: He donated the peak hunt and it went.
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Speaker 3: Off and we did do a bit of a wildlife tour.
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Speaker 3: We've got a couple of cree, a couple of buffalos,
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Speaker 3: some of the land. It's I think it'll be a
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Speaker 3: really really good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you all so much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 2: That Cunningham had to sneak off a little bit early.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. We'll catch you all again
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Speaker 2: very soon.