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When a Serial Killer Crossed Pop Culture · Children of the 80s

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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Children of the Eighties. I am one
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  Speaker 2: of your hosts, Jim, and I am joined as always
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  Speaker 2: by the lady who can't go to sleep at night
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  Speaker 2: unless she watches somebody on TV kill someone else. It's
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  Speaker 2: my co host, Lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: Where's the lie.
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  Speaker 2: There's not one.
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  Speaker 1: Where's the exaggeration there?
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  Speaker 2: You must watch true crime before you go to bed
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  Speaker 2: or you can't sleep.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, You are absolutely right. How are you doing
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  Speaker 1: over there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm feeling like I'm sitting across from a weirdo.
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  Speaker 1: Well you are, but that's nothing new, uh. And I
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  Speaker 1: am as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thawing out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying. I've been freezing all day. I've
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  Speaker 1: peed a hundred times. I'm so cold, much.
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  Speaker 2: Like the rest of the country. So we're not special.
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  Speaker 2: We've been hit with a cold blast. Yeah, and while
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  Speaker 2: it did not snow as you and Emmy had hoped,
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  Speaker 2: it did just pour down a bunch of ice on us,
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  Speaker 2: as if we were in cubes or I mean a tray,
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  Speaker 2: as if we're in a tray pouring out a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of ice on us. Our grass is crunchy from ice,
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  Speaker 2: Our walkways are slippery, our deck is slippery. I cannot
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  Speaker 2: open my car door because it's just one big sheet
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  Speaker 2: of ice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the trees were shiny.
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  Speaker 2: The trees were shiny. The sun doesn't hit that side
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  Speaker 2: of my car, so the passing your side car of
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  Speaker 2: the car, the sun hits as long as your car
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  Speaker 2: is in in the way. But usually your car is
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  Speaker 2: in the way, so I might be able to get
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  Speaker 2: in on that side. But I'm not eighteen anymore, so
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  Speaker 2: getting in on one side and crawling over to another
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  Speaker 2: is not really an option. I worked from home today.
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  Speaker 2: Chances are right, maybe working from home tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: You have a rough day.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't have a rough day either than you know. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: for about five hours, our power went out, and it
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  Speaker 2: just so happened that it was during the AFC Championship game,
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  Speaker 2: so I didn't even get to watch that. And then
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  Speaker 2: it came on right as the NFC Championship game was
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  Speaker 2: coming on, and I got to see the glorious sight
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  Speaker 2: of that evil man Stan Cronkey's team lose to the
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  Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks, and thank you Seahawks and Sam Darnold for
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  Speaker 2: beating the Evil Rams. If the Rams played in Hell,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be rooting for the devil.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't even know how to respond to that.
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  Speaker 1: So did you notice that I extended the wall in
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  Speaker 1: this room? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea how you did that because you
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  Speaker 2: didn't do any construction. But the room looks bigger.
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  Speaker 1: The room is bigger. I've made the room bigger.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you did that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like an awesome kind of optical illusion.
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  Speaker 1: But it feels like we can breathe in here now,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't Yeah, it does. It actually looks like a real
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  Speaker 1: room and not clause a closet. Yes, for ever since
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  Speaker 1: we moved in, it felt very clauset like. And I
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  Speaker 1: came in here yesterday or day before, I don't remember,
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  Speaker 1: and I just did an overhaul and made it better.
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  Speaker 2: I'm liking it.
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  Speaker 1: So you're welcome. Uh. So you feel a little up
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  Speaker 1: tight tonight? And I found when I'm really up tight,
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  Speaker 1: what I need to do to feel better is I
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  Speaker 1: need a little death murder kill in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know why I'm feeling up tight
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  Speaker 2: right because you stalled on this getting up here to
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  Speaker 2: get this started, and I have. I am appearing as
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  Speaker 2: a guest on another podcast in like an hour and
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  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, and I'm trying to figure out how I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna do this podcast, eat dinner, and then get ready
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  Speaker 2: for the other podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You complain a lot, I do.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's my superpower. I wanted to teleportation. I got complaining.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh lucky me. Okay. So if I ever do
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  Speaker 1: a true crime podcast, I think I'm gonna name it
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  Speaker 1: death murder kill.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think? Yes? Yes, from the demolition man,
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  Speaker 2: I believe.
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  Speaker 1: I do understand that. You know, true crime might not
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  Speaker 1: be relaxing to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: It is not.
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  Speaker 1: So before we go there, let's go somewhere else. Oh okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go to mister Rogers neighborhood. He's got a little
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  Speaker 1: something for us.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, krans were made. I've often thought about people making Krantz.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do some more of this later, but I'd like
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  Speaker 3: to show you some people making Krantz. It's come along.
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  Speaker 3: I have a film of it here.
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  Speaker 1: Does that bring back any memories for you?
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  Speaker 2: That does yes, it brings back memories of me wishing
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  Speaker 2: that I was outside blade No, it does. I mean listen,
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  Speaker 2: I as I got older, I appreciate mister Rogers, but
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  Speaker 2: it was not a show that I liked as a kid.
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  Speaker 2: So whenever it came on, I was like, Okay, time
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  Speaker 2: to go outside and play. So I love mister Rogers.
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  Speaker 1: And because I love useless knowledge, and he kind of
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  Speaker 1: was I think the start of that for me, right
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  Speaker 1: because he's gonna show a video on his little TV
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  Speaker 1: screen of how crayons are made, and that was. It's
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  Speaker 1: fascinating to me, and it's so soothing. His voice is
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  Speaker 1: so calming and soothing and just makes me feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's all going to be okay.
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  Speaker 2: So listen, when I finally do get the Alzheimer's or
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  Speaker 2: the dementia, because we know that's coming.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody in your family has that. Everyone in my family has.
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  Speaker 2: I will have that. I promise you that, okay, because
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  Speaker 2: I can't even think about what I was going to
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  Speaker 2: say right now. You lost it when I finally get
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  Speaker 2: that way, And you know how sometimes patients of that
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  Speaker 2: like suffer from anxiety and agitation and everything else. I
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  Speaker 2: want you to do two things for me. I want
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  Speaker 2: you to play mister Rogers in his voice because it's
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  Speaker 2: very soothing. And I want you to play Bob Ross
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  Speaker 2: in his pretty little trees, his happy little tree, happy
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  Speaker 2: his hair, happy little trees. Yes, so if you play
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  Speaker 2: those two, those are like the two most like calming
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  Speaker 2: voices I think I've ever heard. Yeah, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think if I get the uh Alzheimer's agitation, that's what
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  Speaker 2: you need to play.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I will make a note somewhere because I'll
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  Speaker 1: probably have it as well, and I won't remember to
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  Speaker 1: do that for you. Maybe we should tell emmy thing
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  Speaker 1: pay it for both.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have two crazy parents and she's an
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  Speaker 2: only child.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been begging you to allow me to do
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  Speaker 1: a true crime episode. So this is probably as close
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  Speaker 1: as I'll ever get to doing that on Children of
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  Speaker 1: the Eighties.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this is as far as I will let you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, You've got your limits. So but before we
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  Speaker 1: get too far.
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  Speaker 2: In, should we get started?
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started. This is a podcast that looks back
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  Speaker 1: on the decade of the nineteen eighties. We talk about
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  Speaker 1: things that were important to us as children and what
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  Speaker 1: we look back on with fond memories as adults. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: this is a nostalgia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I have to say that this subject that you're going
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  Speaker 2: down today was not important to me as a child.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to do this? I'm just saying, do
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  Speaker 1: you want me to get up and leave?
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  Speaker 2: No? I do not. I am Actually I am looking
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  Speaker 2: forward to this because this is going to be very
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  Speaker 2: interesting for me and the listener because I don't really
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on here, so I'm gonna kind of
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  Speaker 2: be like the listener. But maybe I get to ask
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  Speaker 2: some questions that maybe the listener would want to ask
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  Speaker 2: as you're going through this.
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  Speaker 1: I hope all of our listeners aren't jackasses.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think that they are. I think that
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  Speaker 2: all of our listeners are very sweet people and we
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  Speaker 2: love them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, we do, We really do. Okay, so you're ready?
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  Speaker 2: I am ready.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I want a TV documentary not that long ago.
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  Speaker 1: That gave me an interesting story, and that led to
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  Speaker 1: an idea for this episode about near misses that celebrities
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  Speaker 1: had with the infamous Ted Bundy. Ooh, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: today's episode is about. Okay, but let's I'm sure everyone
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  Speaker 1: knows all about Ted Bundy. But let me just give
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  Speaker 1: a little synopsis.
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  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy did almost make it through the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he sure did, almost, not quite. Ted Bundy was
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  Speaker 1: one of the most infamous serial killers in American history.
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  Speaker 2: Is that how you say that infamous?
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  Speaker 1: Infamous?
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was infamous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was that as well in American history, active
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  Speaker 1: primarily during the nineteen seventies. He was born in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: forty six. He presented himself as an intelligent, charming, and
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  Speaker 1: well spoken man. I don't, I mean, I think he
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  Speaker 1: was those things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't present him he really was so.
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  Speaker 1: But all those traits helped him gain the trust of
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  Speaker 1: his victims and avoid suspicion. For many years, Bundy targeted
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  Speaker 1: young women, often pretending to be injured in need of
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  Speaker 1: help to lure them into these vulnerable situations. His crimes
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  Speaker 1: spanned multiple states, including Washington State, Utah, Colorado, and Florida,
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  Speaker 1: which complicated early investigations and allowed him to evade capture
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  Speaker 1: for a significant time. So when I was doing my research,
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  Speaker 1: here's what scared me thinking about the trips he took
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  Speaker 1: across country from Washington State to Florida. Yes, so you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell me he was a good boy on those trips.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't. I don't think he took
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  Speaker 2: trips from Washington State to Florida.
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  Speaker 1: When he got from point A to point B.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think because he was arrested in Colorado and
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  Speaker 2: he escaped. Then he took off from Colorado and went
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  Speaker 2: to Florida, which was his first mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like there may be victims along
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  Speaker 1: the way.
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  Speaker 2: There may be never. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So Bundy was arrested several times, escaped custody twice in Colorado,
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  Speaker 1: and continued killing after his escapes, including a brutal attack
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  Speaker 1: at Florida State University in nineteen seventy eight. He was
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  Speaker 1: ultimately convicted of multiple murders and sentenced to death. In
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  Speaker 1: the years leading up to his execution in nineteen eighty nine,
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  Speaker 1: Bundy confessed to numerous killings. Estimates range anywhere from thirty
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  Speaker 1: to over one hundred victims. The exact number is unknown.
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  Speaker 1: His case profoundly impacted law enforcement practices, especially in profiling
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  Speaker 1: serial offenders, and remains a chilling example of how appearances
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  Speaker 1: can mask extreme violence.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, just because somebody looks like a nice person doesn't
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  Speaker 2: that they are.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember it's been a long time ago we
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  Speaker 1: watched It wasn't a documentary, but it was some kind
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  Speaker 1: of a movie or something on Ted Bundy. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I actually almost found myself like liking him. You're not
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  Speaker 1: liking him, but liking the fake person that he was
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  Speaker 1: acting like he was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you would have ended up dead.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's listen, there are many times I should
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  Speaker 1: have ended up dead in my life for having really
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  Speaker 1: bad judgments. So okay, So the first person that we
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  Speaker 1: are going to talk about having a run in literally
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  Speaker 1: with Ted Bundy is By the dawn of the nineteen eighties,
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  Speaker 1: Blondie was no longer just a punk scene favorite. They
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  Speaker 1: were full blown pop culture icons.
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  Speaker 2: They were.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, they released Auto American, an album that
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  Speaker 1: showed just how far ahead of the curve they truly were.
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  Speaker 1: The single Rapture made history as the first number one
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  Speaker 1: song in the US to feature rap.
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  Speaker 2: Really, is that why it's called Rapture?
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  Speaker 1: There you go, introducing many mainstream listeners to hip hop
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  Speaker 1: culture for the very first time. That same year, Blondie
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  Speaker 1: scored another massive hit with Call Me, which became the
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  Speaker 1: top selling single of nineteen eighty in the US.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I knew that was the number one song from
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the early eighties, Debbie Harry, who was the lead
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  Speaker 1: singer of Blondie, became one of the decades defining faces.
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  Speaker 1: Her platinum blonde look, bold fashioned choices, and unapologetic confidence
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  Speaker 1: made her a staple of MTV magazine covers and pop
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  Speaker 1: culture conversations. So Debbie Harry was a pretty lady.
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  Speaker 2: She was.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, she had the look, she had the sound, she
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  Speaker 1: had the talent she had I mean she had it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she had it. She had it all, didn't We
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  Speaker 2: almost have it all.
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  Speaker 1: Almost until you started critiquing my podcast episode Choices. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So before she became the iconic front woman of Blondie,
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  Speaker 1: Debbie Harry had a frightening experience one night in Manhattan
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  Speaker 1: that she would later look back on with shock and
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  Speaker 1: fear and amazement in the early nineteen seventies. Amazement that
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  Speaker 1: she lived, I should say while in the early nineteen seventies,
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  Speaker 1: while trying to find a taxi on the Lower East
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  Speaker 1: Side in New York City after a night out, she
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  Speaker 1: accepted a ride from a man in a white car
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  Speaker 1: because her high platform shoes made walking difficult and her
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  Speaker 1: feet hurt. Once inside his car, she noticed something was
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  Speaker 1: very wrong. The windows were barely open, they were just
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  Speaker 1: cracked just a little bit, and the interior felt stifling.
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  Speaker 1: There were no door handles or window cranks, and the
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  Speaker 1: interior of the car was pretty stripped down. Realizing she
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  Speaker 1: was in a dangerous situation, she managed to reach through
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  Speaker 1: that little crack. She could push it open a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more, and she reached out and reached around and
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  Speaker 1: opened the door from the outside and jumped out of
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  Speaker 1: the moving vehicle as he was flying down the road.
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  Speaker 2: So that's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Years later, after reading about Ted Bundy's execution, she saw
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  Speaker 1: his photograph in the paper, and Harry made a chilling connection.
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  Speaker 1: The description of how Bundy operated, what he looked like,
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  Speaker 1: and the type of car he drove seemed to match
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  Speaker 1: her memory of that night, leading her to believe that
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  Speaker 1: she had narrowly escaped from the infamous serial killer himself.
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  Speaker 1: This is a quote quote. It was right after his
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  Speaker 1: execution that I read about him. I hadn't thought about
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  Speaker 1: that incident in years. The whole description of how he
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  Speaker 1: operated and what he looked like, and the kind of
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  Speaker 1: Cary drove and the timeframe he was doing that in
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  Speaker 1: that area of the country fit exactly, and I thought,
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  Speaker 1: my god, it was him. So that's crazy Bundy. So
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  Speaker 1: let me just add Bundy was never known to have
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  Speaker 1: been in New York.
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  Speaker 2: You won't even let me ask a question I was
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  Speaker 2: going to ask, was he ever known to have been
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  Speaker 2: in New York?
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  Speaker 3: Not?
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  Speaker 1: And they're not aware of any victims until at least
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so so it probably wasn't him. That would have
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  Speaker 2: been we don't know, could have been son of Sam.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been.
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  Speaker 2: Probably wasn't Sena Sam.
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  Speaker 1: She noticed, you know, we don't know, but that's scary.
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  Speaker 1: She jumped out of that moving car like it was
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  Speaker 1: an action movie or something. She just jumped. She ducked
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  Speaker 1: and rolled.
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  Speaker 2: She ducked and rolled, yeah she did.
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  Speaker 1: You're supposed to talk your chin in. That's what she did.
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  Speaker 1: She tucked and rolled.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're supposed to tuck your chin in. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then roll. I'm afraid that if I did that, I
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  Speaker 2: may never stop rolling.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did you ever have to do the stupid tumbles
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  Speaker 1: in pe class?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my, that that caused me so much anxiety, and
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's ultimately what led to my neck surgery.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think I injured myself pe but they
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  Speaker 1: just kept telling me talk, tuck your tucker, chen, tuck
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  Speaker 1: your chin and roll. I mean, what that's not natural?
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  Speaker 2: Is that how they said it?
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  Speaker 1: My goodness, I'm traumatized by that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not traumatized by Bebby Harry and Bed Bundy. I'm dramatized.
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  Speaker 2: I han't to tuck my head rolled tumble.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Debbie Harry is not the only one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's more.
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  Speaker 1: There's more. So the interview with this lady is what
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  Speaker 1: ultimately led to my idea to do this episode. That's
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  Speaker 1: Anne Bolan. She grew up in Washington State, but landed
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  Speaker 1: in la as a young teenager to auditioned to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of the Runaways. Oh now, that opportunity did
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  Speaker 1: not work out, but she did eventually land as lead
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  Speaker 1: singer of the heavy metal band Hellian, and I feel
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  Speaker 1: like Hellion should be that band from Stranger Things.
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  Speaker 2: Old Fire.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. Hellyan opened for such bands as do
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  Speaker 1: O is it Wasp? Or is it Wasp?
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  Speaker 2: Wasb Spells Wasp?
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  Speaker 1: But it's so which is it d Wasp Okay and
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  Speaker 1: White Snake and maybe I should have led with one.
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  Speaker 2: You probably should have led.
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  Speaker 1: With you know what. Ann's powerful vocals and striking presence
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  Speaker 1: made her one of the most distinctive female voices in
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal during that time in a genre overwhelmingly dominated
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  Speaker 1: by men. Boland's co de manding style helped Hellian stand
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  Speaker 1: out and challenged expectations about who could front a metal band,
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  Speaker 1: while Helen remained largely underground, and Bolan became a cult
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  Speaker 1: figure among metal fans, and the band's legacy lives on
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  Speaker 1: as part of the early movement that helped shape extreme
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  Speaker 1: and theatrical metal in the years that followed. In nineteen
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: eighty eight, Hellian became the first metal band with a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: female vocalist to appear on MTV Wow. Like so many
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: times before, they seemed like they were just right on
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the verge of their big break, but it was actually
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the end. Unfortunately, the band broke up.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Bolan went on to start her own record label called
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: New Renaissance Records, and she also decided that she had
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: been mistreated numerous numerous times in the music industry because
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: she was female, so she decided to go back to school,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and she ultimately got her law degree so that she
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: could represent clients, specifically women who were mistreated in the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: workplace by their employers. Oh wow, Okay, she decided to
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: make something of her. Geez, what does this have to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: do She's what a badass? What does this have to
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: do with our episode today? Okay. So, before she became
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: known as the singer of Hellyan, Anne Bolin was just
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a teenage girl living in Washington State in the early
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to mid nineteen seventies. She worked at the Fox Theater,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: which I want to know, does every town have a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Fox Theater?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So this was in her hometown. I'm going to butcher this,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to try it. Centralia, Washington, Centralia. Okay,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: there you go. Okay, So she was working at the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Fox Theater. In a core to a recent episode of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the docuseries Into the Void, That's what I watched. One evening,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Anne saw someone going to the basement of the theater,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: where teens had been known to go down and open
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: an exterior door to let their friends get in without paying.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So she followed the person down to the basement, thinking
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that it's just going to be some teenager, right, and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: she speaking exactly. When she got to the basement, she
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: was attacked from behind. She was able to escape, and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the owner of the theater asked her to not report
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to what happened to police because he didn't want the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: negative publicity because the theater was already struggling. But not
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: long after the attack, police called Anne's parents and told
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: them that they believed there was a man stalking Anne
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and a friend of hers because they both fit the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: description of women who had caught the attention of a
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: killer in the area. That killer turned out to be
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: No way, Yes, so Ted Bundy attacked her in the theater.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: That's not really his mo. He attacked her in the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: theater and she was able to escape, only she couldn't
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: report it because the theater might not survive, let alone
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: her surviving, right, right.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, yeah, But I'm not sure his
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: intentions were to attack. I mean, I think it did
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: present itself when she followed him, but I'm not sure
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that that's what he intended.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: What do you think he was doing down there?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Then? I think he was creeping on who I mean,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I think he had been creeping on her, But I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: don't know why he was in the basement.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just weird. So she escaped. I'm assuming she
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: eventually did report it to the police if the police
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: came and said she was being stalked, right correct, Yes,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: And obviously they didn't catch them at that point, right huh.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. But she escaped obviously went on to form
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: helli In or sing in hell Yin Ye Be, the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: first female metal heavy metal, heavy metal lead singer, then
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: appeared on MTV. I mean that's you know, you heard
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: her voice? Man, it was powerful, Yeah, it was. It
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: was very powerful. I didn't really like that type of music.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I mean when the song starts, so I listened to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the song and it's like a lot of guitar screeching
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and stuff, kind of sounds like hairband. But then when
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: she comes in and starts singing, you know, she's kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of screaming and wailing. Yeah, and I wasn't a huge
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: fan of that type of thing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Bad Now, that's not no, that's not my thing. But
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: did you watch the video? Yes, Okay, she was tiny,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: so such a huge voice coming out of such a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: tiny person was really impressive to me.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And it's also rare for somebody to be able to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: just like wail like that and it not sound like
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it's hurting their voice.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: It sounded to me like it was hurting her voice.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Really, Okay, see I didn't think it did, so I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: was like, that's.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Impressive, But I mean her voice was screeching like those guitars,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't know that that's good for
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the uh for the vocal instrument there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Oh that's why she when she did this TV show
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: she sounded like that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: So why did she have the same name of a
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: decapitated queen in England?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I have no idea that's not the name she was
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: born with.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: You think that was her stage name.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure maybe that that's I mean, her first
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: name was Anne.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Well, let's I mean she came very close to ending
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: up like the original amble list.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: She did?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, she did?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Goodness? Alrighty is there anybody else?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: We got one more rock star?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Meditation, perfect choice of songs because I don't give a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: damn about my reputation?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna say that Ted Bundy and trying to
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: attack Lindsay Weird in Freaks and Geeks.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So when I originally had the idea for this episode.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It was right around to Christmas, and I was leaving
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: pages open on my phone to go back to research later.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Do you ever do that?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Well? At Christmas, I'm usually in good spirits, and I'm
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: thinking about Santa Claus, and I'm thinking about Christmas music,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about Baby Jesus. I'm not thinking about
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: serial killers. You're the only one at Christmas time who
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: thinks about serial killer?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Ever leave pages open so you can come back and
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: reference it later? And then do you ever accidentally close
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: those windows?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, well that's what I did. I accidentally closed the window.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I had information pulled up on an encounter that Joan
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Jet had with Ted Bundy. So then when you put
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the pedal to the metal and I'm researching and you're
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: getting irritated up here because I'm taking too long, I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: can't find any reference of this incident ever happening on
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the internet. So I asked chat GPT.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Before you get to chat GBT, can I just defend
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: myself here? I came up into the podcast room and
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: never once did you, never once stomped on the floor,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: never once said you are so full of it?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I feel the negativity.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: You are so full of it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So I asked chat GPT, did jone Jet ever have
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a run in with Ted Bundy? And he said no.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: He said no, and I said, is there an urban
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: legend that this happened? He said no, And I said,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: could I have had a fever dream that jone Jet
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and Ted Bundy had some kind of run in together?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And he said no. So then I went to Gemini
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and jem and I is chat GPT's rival, floozy best friend.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And I said, Gemini, did this ever happen? And she
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: said no, And I said, I'm pretty sure there is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: there's an article that exists, and nope, nope, And I'm like,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and it just kept saying this never happened, This never happened,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and so finally I typed in, I understand that this
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: never happened, but can you still do the search for me?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And they said no. They said they said they would
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: not do the search. It sounds like a certain person
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you work with. And I was starting to get my
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: kerfluffle in a fluffle, your kerfluffle in a fluffle. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: apparently the jone Jet thing never happened. But guess what
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I did find what, well, I can tell you this
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: before you go on with what you found. Joan Jet
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: was in the Runaways, yes, and am boleyn auditions for
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the Runaways, so they could have been in the same
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: band maybe, And maybe that was the other person that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy was, you know talking. Let's start that rumor,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: all right, and maybe we'll get one of them on
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: here to debunk it. Okay, but listen to this. According
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to his children, or technically his stepchildren, Kurt Russell once
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: came surprisingly close to a dangerous encounter with Ted Bundy.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: And you know what he said to him, You brought
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: down the thunder? Well, now you got it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Kurt Russell has been with Goldie Hawn since nineteen eighty
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: three and helped raise her children, Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But during an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live, Kate and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Oliver shared a lesser known story about Kurt Russell's uncanny
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: knack for landing and really bad situations. Really, don't you
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: think landing in the path of Ted Bundy's a really
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: bad situation?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I think it is.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Kate joke that her stepfather always seems to stumble into
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: strange circumstances, while Will Oliver backed that up with some
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: wild anecdotes, including an incident in which Russell reportedly got
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: into a physical altercation with Tex Watson, who was a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: close associate of Charles Manson.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I've heard that name.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But one of the most chilling stories, however, dates back
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to nineteen seventy seven. June of nineteen seventy seven, which
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: was before Kurt Russell met or was dating Goldie Hawn,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Oliver said Russell was camping in Colorado shortly after Bundy
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: escaped custody and Aspen. Russell had set his food down
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: at the campsite and stepped away briefly to grab a beer.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: When he returned, his food was gone. Years later, Bundy
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: allegedly described how he survived while on the run, recounting
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that he came across campers in the woods and stole
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: food from their site, an account that appeared to match
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Russell's experience. That small decision to walk walk away may
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: have spared Kurt Russell from a terrifying face to face encounter.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but why at earp is taken down? Ted Bundy?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: If he catches him in the woods, that's all I'm saying.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: He is taking down Ted Bundy. If he can defeat
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the thing, he can defeat Ted Bundy.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: At the time, Bundy was standing trial in Pitkin County
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: for the nineteen seventy five murder of Karen Campbell. Because
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he was representing himself, he wasn't restrained inside the courthouse
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and was allowed access to the law library. He ultimately
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: escaped by leaping from a second story window and fleeing
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: into the mountains near Aspen. Bundy remained on the run
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: for nearly a week, breaking into a cabin and later
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: stealing a car. His escape ended when a sheriff's deputy
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: noticed the vehicle swerving on the road and took him
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: back into custody.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Here here's the deal. Ted Bundy was a coward. He
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: went after women. He ain't taken down Kurt Russell unless
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: he just unless he just surprises him out of the blue.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: He's not taken down Kurt Russell. He's a coward. He
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: would he would have fleed Kurt Russell. He would have fleed.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: He would have fleed. He would have fled. He would
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: have fled. He wouldn't have joined the Red Hot Chili peppers,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: he would have fled Kurt Russell, and Kurt Russell probably
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: would have hopped up on his horse with Virgil and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Morgan and Doc and they would have chased down Ted
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Bundy and done to him like they've done to Johnny
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Ringo and Curly Bill Brocious.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: So there you go, just a few stories of celebrities
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and their run ins with Ted Bundy.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking here on the interwebs, and you know
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: that it's always true. Yeah, And they have debunked Debbie
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Harry's account about it being Ted Bundy because they say
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: that Ted Bundy was in Florida at the time, But
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: she has now debunked the debunkers, oh wow, and said, no,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: it was his car and his mo was exactly what
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: happened to me, only I was able to escape.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: The only thing that she says goes against his moo
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: is the fact that she thought he stunk. And everybody
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: assumes that because he was handsome and he was very charming,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that he probably would have smelled nice.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably would have been wearing some DrAk car
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: yeah right, yeah. So I'm reading here and she says
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: when she saw his picture in the magazine the hairs
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: on the back of my neck stood up, and she
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: states it was him. So here's the deal. She does
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: not fit his type. No, because blonde, Yah, because she's blonde.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: He liked the dark haired ladies.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But did you look at Anne Bolan?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: She is she? Oh, certainly, and so was Joan Jett.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Even if it was a fever dream that you had.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Don't let me just tell you right now. Don't ask
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: chat GPT because he's gonna tell you it never happened. Yeah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: GPD is a he. So you know, maybe it was
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy that picked up Debbie Harry, but maybe he
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to kill her. I don't know. Maybe he was,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: but she is not. She is not the type that
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: he would after.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. So but a white Volkswagen Beetle, it's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: dripped down.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It didn't say Beetle though here did it. I just
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: thought it's ad a white car.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: But I thought that's what I thought.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That he did drive a Beetle. Yes, he did. He
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: drove a Beetle. And you know, you wonder if he
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: was in New York or not. It's kind of hard
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: to believe. But I mean, if if she saw a
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: picture of him and the hairs on the back of
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: her next stood up right. You know, I don't know
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: how you can deny that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Now you have to go a woman's intuition.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: We know, apparently you don't because he killed like thirty
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: something women.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say to that. That that's terrible. Well,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that's terrible. No, it was awful what he did, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you know what he got what was coming to him. Yeah,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: he sure did, which.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Is why I say he almost made it through the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: nineties because he was executed nineteen eighty nine. Yes, yes,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: or I guess the eighties, not the nineties.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say something else. What do you think
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you'll ever let me do another true crime episode?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you start your true crime podcast.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. You know what our friend deaf Dave
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: he's gonna let me do a true crime episode on
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: his new podcast. Yeah, there you go.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: He is Deaf Dave's nineteen eighty four coming to you
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: next month. Yes, he uh, he's got it going on.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I'm doing the season finale, aren't I.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I believe you are. You're doing season one finale, which
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: burns in a year or so. You all can hear
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Lindsey on on Deaf Dave's nineteen eighty four.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And I'll get to hear it for the first time too,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: because I will have forgotten all about it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: For sure. So yeah, I you know, this was a
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: good episode that you put forth. But I'm a I'm
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a happy, upbeat kind of posh.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I do not know you are not. First of all, no,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you're not. Second of all, you you have a thing
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: for serial killers. I do. Which had I have known
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that when I first met you, I never would have
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: gone on a date. No.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated. I've always wanted to hunt him down,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: like that criminal mind show.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: You had this, uh, this big fat book on serial killers.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: When I came over to your apartment. Oh yeah, not
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: long after we started dating, I was like, what the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: heck is this?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I did that on purpose? I did. I wanted to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: see if I'm scare you.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Were you hoping it was? No?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to see how you'd react.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I don't even know what to say
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to that, other than gentlemen, if you're if you find
• 38:20
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• 38:24
  Speaker 1: don't ever quote silence of the lambs.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: You can't handle the truth. That's what I gotta say
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: about you.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: That's what Jim did when we first met. He quoted
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs, and I was like, what the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: heck is this?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I technically well, I mean it was from the movie
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Silence of the Way with Hannibal Lecter. Hannibal, Yes, is that?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Does that make it any better? I would have rather
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you quoted Jody Falster.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Mister lector, mister lector.
• 39:00
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• 39:05
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• 39:15
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  Speaker 2: on this show, but it's just loose as a goose.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: It's just a little bit, a little bit different vibe. Yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: different vibe.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: And you've got something that you've been itching to talk
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: about and I keep putting you off. Do you want
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and spill the beans now.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: On the March Madness Tournament or on something else.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: On the March Madness Tournament.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So remember last year when we did the TV
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: theme songs, right, which was one by Cheers, which we
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: kind of knew it was gonna win, we didn't. We're
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: doing that again, but this year we're doing cartoon theme
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: songs from the eighties. What cartoon theme songs from the eighties.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get into that. We're gonna invite guests back
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: from last year to talk about cartoon theme songs. But
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I do have good news for you. You're not gonna
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: have to sit through like eighty seven of those episodes. Well,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: praise the Lord. We're gonna wrap it all up in
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: five Oh.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Wow, it's gonna be like three hours each or something.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: So no, we're just gonna do each bracket, and we're
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: gonna get it down to the final two of each bracket,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and then we'll come back and do an episode on
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the final eight. So that'll be more fun for everybody.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: You won't have to follow along for eight months, and
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it'll go buy a little bit faster, and it won't
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: be as monotonous as maybe it was last year.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: So I thought the Golden Girls theme song was a
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: shoe in for me, that it was a no brainer.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So I knew our audience, so I knew are our guests,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: so I knew that Cheers was going to win. But
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to me, it could have been Cheers, it could have
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: been Golden Girls, it could have been the Jeffersons, could
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: have been Dukes of Hazard. There were probably ten that
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I felt like we're deserving of winning. But I mean,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: everybody knows Cheers.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Cheers is universal, so where I was going with that
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: was I thought I knew Golden Girls was a shoe in.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like I know who the winner of this
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: is going to be? Are you the song that's the winner?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: But I guess, I guess maybe I don't know. I
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: guess we'll have to wait and see.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I did put some some rules around it. I said,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: no Looney Tunes, yep, because Looney Tunes were like forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and they were replayed in the eighties. But I don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: want another cheer situation, right, everybody's gonna pick. Everybody's gonna
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: pick Looney Tunes if it's in there. So Looney Tunes
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: not included because it wasn't in the eighties. So these
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: cartoons either had to start in the eighties or they
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: had to carry over from the seventies into the eighties.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, okay, So I guess we'll wait and see.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: For the record, I wouldn't have picked a Looney Tunes song.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I'm curious what you would pick. Maybe you tell me
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: off the air, I will. I've got my choices, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I did. I did reach out to potential guests and
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: everybody that I've reached out to SAMs too have said
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: yes they are in, and I asked them for who
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: they thought the top four seeds should be. So I'm
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: getting all these you know, different answers and stuff, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: whoever gets the most votes there's gonna be the top
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: four seeds and then the next most votes will be.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: So I'll do it a little less chat gpt ish
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and more opinionated from our esteemed panel.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Have you gotten any repeats yet?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Any repeats like, have you.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Gotten two or three people saying the same song?
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, yes, not a lot, but yes, a couple
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: here and there.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I think you and I are mostly on the same page,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: even though we haven't talked about it. Okay, and so
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I thought you were asking if I had
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: repeat guests coming back from last year.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know You've got some repeat guest I can't wait.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be gonna be a lot of fun. Yep.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Lindsey's hoping for some female guests, not guess
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: but female podcasters.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Should that out?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably should.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: That's Oh, that's that and oh that's what I could
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: say on Patreon.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can say that on patreon, let's not
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: do that here. Yeah, Lindsay's looking for female podcasters that
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: may want to join, so at least she has a
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: friend or two and she doesn't feel like she's the
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: only I don't know, only girl in the room, or
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: the whatever, only one wearing a bra, the uh, the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: third wheel, the brown toe, whatever it is, the half toe.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: No, let's don't talk about half digits. I can't.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's what we've got coming up in March.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do our March madness. We've got some fun
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: stuff coming up in February. Of course, we have our Patreon.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: We would love it if you would join and support
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the show. There will be more community there and just
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: more talk. So if that's something that you're interested in,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: please go forward and do it. And if if you don't,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you know, no hard feelings, you're just dead to me. No, uh,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: you know, it's for anybody wants support the show. We
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: appreciate any and all support that we get, so thank
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: you for even just listening to us on a weekly basis.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Yep, it means the world to us.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: It sure does well. I guess that wraps us up.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I think it wraps us up. I hope it wasn't
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: too bad.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: At least it didn't wrap us up in a body bag.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I know we lucked out all right. Well, until next time.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I'm Jim and I'm Lindsay, and we are children of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the eighties Week