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Mom of three drives off, never returns. Tot son wants mommy. WHERE IS HEATHER GUMINA? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. No one has heard from her.
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Speaker 1: To my knowledge, no one has heard from her. Joanna
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Speaker 1: Russell is talking about her daughter, thirty three year old
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Speaker 1: Heather Gamia Waters, a Plasterville woman who has not been
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Speaker 1: seen since Tuesday. I'm sleep deprived, I'm sad, I'm scared. Russell,
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Speaker 1: who didn't want her face shown, says her daughter had
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Speaker 1: just broke her collarbone last Monday and it complained about
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Speaker 1: being in pain. After being released from the hospital. She
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Speaker 1: spent that night at her Pleasant Valley area house, but
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Speaker 1: by Wednesday, both Heather and her car, a two thousand
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Speaker 1: and five Black Infinity Coop, had vanished. It is very
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Speaker 1: unlike her to not contact anyone. That's why there's a
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Speaker 1: concern for her safety right now and a concern that
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Speaker 1: she had a broken collarbone. So I'm praying that someone
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Speaker 1: will well hear this or have seen something or might
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Speaker 1: know something, and please report it to the Sheriff's The
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Speaker 1: Old Rdo County Sheriff's Office confirms it is also searching
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Speaker 1: for Heather in her car sharing photos on social media.
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Speaker 1: Russell says the Black Infinity Coop has distinctive pink markings
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Speaker 1: that are hard to forget, such as two pink ribbon
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Speaker 1: stickers on the back window and a pink gas cap
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Speaker 1: lid that says his queen. So there was a lot
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Speaker 1: of pink in the car, little areas on the car.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at Fox forty News. That was
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Speaker 1: Doug Johnson. Fears rising for a gorgeous young California mother.
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Speaker 1: She has been missing for nearly a month, and now
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Speaker 1: her car has been found abandoned not too far from
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Speaker 1: where she was last seen. Where is Heather Gamina? I
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Speaker 1: mean it, see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. She had just been released from
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Speaker 1: the hospital for treatment for a broken collar bone. Her
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Speaker 1: family and ference all agree on one thing. Heather would
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Speaker 1: never just up and leave her three little children. Taking
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Speaker 1: a look at her right now, she just looks like
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Speaker 1: an all American girl, scrubbed in sunshine, long blonde hair,
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Speaker 1: pretty smile, gorgeous children. Last seen in the Pleasant Valley
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Speaker 1: area that's about fifty miles east of Sacramento. She had
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Speaker 1: a black two thousand and five Infinity G thirty five
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Speaker 1: that's been found in El Dorado County. They're being they're
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Speaker 1: processing it right now. Before I go any further straight
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Speaker 1: out to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. When we
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Speaker 1: hear a car is being forensically processed, that is a
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Speaker 1: very very intricate endeavor. I know we hear about it
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Speaker 1: all the time, but if you don't do it right,
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Speaker 1: you will lose potentially life evidence. Explain what happens when
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Speaker 1: you process the vehicle. Yeah, commonly, Nancy, when they identified
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Speaker 1: this vehicle, hopefully the police kept everybody away. Hopefully the
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Speaker 1: police kept everybody away from this vehicle so that no
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Speaker 1: one contaminated it any further. Let's keep in mind the
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Speaker 1: police would have to immediately look inside of it and
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Speaker 1: probably look in the trunk. As an investigator, you have
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Speaker 1: to suspect that maybe she's still in the vehicle. But
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Speaker 1: beyond that, put the thing on the back of a
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Speaker 1: flatbed truck, take it to the crime lab, and put
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Speaker 1: it in a sequestered area. That way it can be processed.
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Speaker 1: You can look for. Obviously, the first thing that's going
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Speaker 1: to be on everybody's mind is going to be DNA,
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Speaker 1: which is very very fragile, and we want to look
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Speaker 1: to see if there's perhaps blood evidence contain their end,
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Speaker 1: and if there's any signs of struggle inside of the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: But you have to it is imperative that you limit
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Speaker 1: the number of people that actually have access to this
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Speaker 1: vehicle because the slightest misstep can ruin everything down the road. Well,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right about that. Guys were talking about a
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Speaker 1: missing mother up three. Take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: at Fox forty, Doug Johnson. I mean a water has
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Speaker 1: disappeared along with her car. On July sixteenth, her mother
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Speaker 1: tells Fox forty she had just returned from the hospital
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Speaker 1: with a broken collar bone. Her car, a two thousand
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Speaker 1: and five black Infinity Coop, has a pink gas cap
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Speaker 1: lid that, says his Queen, a unique feature. Her friend's
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Speaker 1: hope is easy to spot. If you find something, If
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Speaker 1: you see something, stopp and stop and call bring them in.
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Speaker 1: We don't need to touch anything, We just need to
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Speaker 1: bring them in. Smith and Schneider say one search group
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Speaker 1: was already out today in an undisclosed area, acting on
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Speaker 1: a tip they don't want to at least too many
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Speaker 1: details on just yet, but it is a tip that
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Speaker 1: comes from a very reputable person in the community. So
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Speaker 1: we're positive about that. And while they're hoping more people
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Speaker 1: who know this part of El Dorado County will volume
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Speaker 1: tier already, horseback riding and four wheeling clubs have offered help,
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Speaker 1: you know, and it is a big area. It's a
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Speaker 1: huge area. Speaking of Doug Johnson at Fox forty News, Sacramento.
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Speaker 1: Doug joining me right now, Doug Johnson, Let's start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. What happened. Well, from what we know, this
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Speaker 1: again is about forty miles east of Sacramento on the
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Speaker 1: way to South Lake Tahoe and the Eldorado kind of
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's office initially was called told this was a missing
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Speaker 1: person report and they started searching for the thirty three
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Speaker 1: year old mother of three. Again. She was last seen
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Speaker 1: on the sixteenth Pleasant Valley. That's an area just outside
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Speaker 1: just south of Plasterville, if anybody knows the Eldorado County
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Speaker 1: area in California. She had just broken her collarbone the
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Speaker 1: Monday before, which is basically the night before she went missing,
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Speaker 1: and was complained about pain. Hold on just a moment, Doug,
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Speaker 1: I just gotta ask, how did she break her collar back? Well,
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Speaker 1: and that's something that we're still not getting a lot
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Speaker 1: of details on again a family. I don't like it.
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Speaker 1: I don't like it, Doug Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert.
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Speaker 1: She goes missing, I find out she's broken her collarbone,
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Speaker 1: and nobody will be what seems to explain? Why why
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Speaker 1: would you not say, Oh, she was jumping on her kids,
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Speaker 1: trampling and broke her collarbone. Oh she was running and
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Speaker 1: tripped and hit the curb. Oh she was in a
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Speaker 1: little fender bender. Why is nobody able to say how
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Speaker 1: she broke her collarbone? I don't like that right now.
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Speaker 1: I don't because this goes into the narrative of what
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Speaker 1: happened prior to her disappearance. Even if it's a benign finding,
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Speaker 1: all right, it's still gonna play in. It's gonna give me.
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Speaker 1: Why do you talk like that? I'm just curious because
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Speaker 1: you do it all the time. Joseph Scott Morgan with me,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet A benige finding? You mean an innocent accident? Is
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Speaker 1: that what you're trying to say in your forensic expert way, Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say that there are no accidents.
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Speaker 1: When you're looking at an investigation, all angles have to
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Speaker 1: be considered. I want to know if I hear this,
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Speaker 1: my mind automatically flees to the negative. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: think that maybe she was involved in some kind of
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Speaker 1: conflict with someone. I want to know about the intimates
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Speaker 1: in her circle that know this. You know, the reporter
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Speaker 1: was just saying that they don't really have a lot
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Speaker 1: of information. Well, maybe the police are not releasing anything
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Speaker 1: relative to the instant relative to her collarbone being broken
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Speaker 1: because it would I don't know, alert somebody that might
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Speaker 1: be involved with her disappearance potential to take Listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox forty knew. The thirty three year
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Speaker 1: old mother of three was last seen in the Pleasant
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Speaker 1: Valley area July sixteenth. She was dealing with pain from
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Speaker 1: a broken collarbone at the time of her disappearance. According
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Speaker 1: to family, just one of many things that doesn't make
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Speaker 1: sense about what's happened to Waters. The biggest that the
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Speaker 1: married mom of three has had no contact with her
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Speaker 1: beloved children, the youngest of whom is just or they
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Speaker 1: were too emotional to be in this group. Tonight, their
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Speaker 1: grandmother spoke some of their shared pain. Always loving her
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Speaker 1: mom and always there and I just miss her. Eldorado
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's deputies have searched her home looking for clues,
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Speaker 1: but that effort hasn't produced any releasable information on her whereabouts.
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Speaker 1: We are working really hard to find her. That everybody
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Speaker 1: is joined together in prayer. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: searched your thirty three year old Heather Gamina Waters is
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Speaker 1: getting organized and focused. We're going to really target the
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Speaker 1: Grizzly Flat area, Somerset, Ohmar Ranch Valley, Pleasant Valley area.
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Speaker 1: Family friends Kathy Schneider and Holly Smith started a search
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Speaker 1: team Facebook page, which has already jumped to more than
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Speaker 1: four hundred members in just a few days. There's so
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Speaker 1: many people in the community right now that want to help,
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Speaker 1: and we need their help. Both admit they could use
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Speaker 1: more volunteers, as Heather's family has been waiting for weeks
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Speaker 1: desperate for answers. If you can just imagine how distraught
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Speaker 1: a mother could be looking for her missing child, It's unimaginable.
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Speaker 1: She's from the Pleasant Valley area. Right here, you're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox forty News that was Doug Johnson,
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Speaker 1: guys were talking about a missing mother of three, you know,
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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalysts joining me out of la Now,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, I want you to get in the real
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Speaker 1: world with the rest of us. Doctor Bethany, I don't
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Speaker 1: like it. Now, Doug Johnson, Fox forty News, Sacramento, you're
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Speaker 1: a a hard news guy. This is what you call
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Speaker 1: a wild goose chase. This is what you call going
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Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. Because you just told me you
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Speaker 1: didn't know how she had the broken collar bone, and
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Speaker 1: here we go. But doctor Bethany, I don't like it.
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Speaker 1: I don't like when she goes missing just after being
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Speaker 1: treated for a broken collar bone and nobody can tell
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Speaker 1: me how she broke it. See if somebody doesn't answer me,
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Speaker 1: I think it's for a nefarious reason. For all I know,
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Speaker 1: Doug Johnson is trying to cover up the evidence. But
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Speaker 1: I'll get back to that in a minute. But I
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Speaker 1: don't either, Nancy, and you know, when a woman goes missing,
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Speaker 1: the first thing we do is we look at her
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Speaker 1: romantic and intimate relationships. And the reason we do that
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Speaker 1: is that the feelings that leads somebody to abduct, to
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Speaker 1: commit homicide, to hurt another individual often take place in
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Speaker 1: the context of our most intimate relationships. I mean, think
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Speaker 1: about it, where do you have the strongest feeling even
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Speaker 1: in your life. In my life, it's with our spouses. Resentment, anger,
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Speaker 1: build up of feelings that maybe or even outside of awareness.
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Speaker 1: And if you have somebody who is actually homicidal, they
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Speaker 1: are unable to regulate those feelings. They're going to lash
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Speaker 1: out at their most intimate partner. So who was the
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Speaker 1: father of her three children? Was she a single mom?
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Speaker 1: Was she dating? Was there somebody she had just met
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Speaker 1: who was stalking her? What was the nature of those
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Speaker 1: intimate relationships? Were they happy? Were they unhappy? Did she
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Speaker 1: have a conflict with somebody? It raises those questions, of course,
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Speaker 1: because we hear broken collar bone, and we think of
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Speaker 1: domestic abuse, because what happens during domestic abuse a man
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Speaker 1: will grab the woman by the neck or by the shoulders.
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Speaker 1: So that's a very telling injury if she's at risk
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Speaker 1: because of an intimate relationship in her life. See dud Johnson,
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Speaker 1: you're a hard knees guy. Out a thought forty and
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Speaker 1: Sacramento say you just said one thing you said, you know,
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Speaker 1: you're not clear about how she had the broken collar bone,
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Speaker 1: and we just all went wild, led by me. I
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Speaker 1: just led us all down that garden path. So, Doug Johnson,
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Speaker 1: what do you know? And the aunt in the face
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Speaker 1: of all these questions, we're asking, well, I do know that,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've been speaking with Heather's mother a lot,
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Speaker 1: and she has said something's kind of off the record,
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Speaker 1: some information she doesn't always want to put out there.
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Speaker 1: But she did tell us on the record that the
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Speaker 1: last person to have seen Heather alive, she believes was
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Speaker 1: her husband. She was married. She does have three kids,
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Speaker 1: ages four, ten, and fourteen. I'm not exactly sure who
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Speaker 1: the father of those children are. And I do know
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Speaker 1: that the police also withholding a lot of information. One
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Speaker 1: thing they won't say at this point in time is
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Speaker 1: exactly where her car was located. They just say it
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Speaker 1: was discovered somewhere within El Dorado County. Actually will judge
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Speaker 1: and trial lawyer. You can find her at shi Wilcott
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Speaker 1: dot com. Why are cops not releasing information? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people when they hear a
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Speaker 1: news reporter, they read it, they don't think much about
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Speaker 1: missing pieces of the puzzle. That's what jumps out at
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Speaker 1: me the most. The minute. Doug Johnson from Fox forty
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Speaker 1: said about the broken collar bone and that we don't
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Speaker 1: know how she broke it. And Dave Matt Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, where is the husband? Is he
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Speaker 1: out there searching who is the father of these children?
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many pieces of the puzzle that
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Speaker 1: are missing, Nancy. The simplest answer is this, Anthony Gamina,
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Speaker 1: the husband of Heather Gamina Waters, is actually not in
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Speaker 1: the picture right now in taking care of these children.
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Speaker 1: But they're not his biological children. We don't know about
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Speaker 1: the biological father of the children. We know that there
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Speaker 1: is nobody there that is acting like a real man
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Speaker 1: and helping to care for these children. I mean, their
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Speaker 1: mother is missing, and there's not one man involved that
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Speaker 1: has the guts to stand up and take care of them.
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Speaker 1: We've got Anthony Gamina, who they've been involved in a
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Speaker 1: relationship to the point where they got married in March.
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Speaker 1: You would assume he had some type of love and
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Speaker 1: affection for the children, but he's not being involved. He's
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Speaker 1: not helping to care for their emotional and physical needs.
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Speaker 1: That's being left to her mother, who's devastated right now,
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Speaker 1: and the extended family. Ashley Wilcot, judge and trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at ash Wilcott dot com. Why
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Speaker 1: would police withhold those key pieces of the puzzle? Key
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Speaker 1: to me? I mean they may not turn up to
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Speaker 1: be key ultimately, but right now I feel like they're
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Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle. I want the answer to Oh,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, but Nancy, I respect that it's
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Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation, and typically what I see is when
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Speaker 1: they're not releasing that information, there's a reason they don't
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Speaker 1: want to tip someone off. I think the police know
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Speaker 1: more obviously you've just pointed out we have questions, they
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Speaker 1: know answers, they know more than we know, and then
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Speaker 1: we think and I think that's good. I think that
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Speaker 1: means maybe they have some leads, Maybe they're considering some people,
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Speaker 1: and they don't want those people to have knowledge of
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Speaker 1: the evidence they have so that they can do the
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Speaker 1: right kind of investigation and figure out where this missing
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Speaker 1: woman is. That's my prayer. The other piece I have
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Speaker 1: to mention that was interesting to me. I read something
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Speaker 1: that family commented on because of the color bone injury
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Speaker 1: she is in pain, and they're really concerned about her
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Speaker 1: as a result of the pain she's in. So I
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Speaker 1: also just wonder how that threads in and how she
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Speaker 1: was dealing with the pain and handling the pain, and
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Speaker 1: did she reach out to someone that was sinister and
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Speaker 1: criminal and nature versus the people she might typically reach
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Speaker 1: out to and her family. I don't know. It just
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Speaker 1: adds more questions. I am thinking about these three children.
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Speaker 1: There's three of them, ages fourteen and fourteen, and we
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Speaker 1: understand through family members that her son is taking it
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Speaker 1: really badly. Quote we can't even really tell him. He
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Speaker 1: keeps looking for his mom and he wants to go
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Speaker 1: over there and he can't. Each day that goes by,
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Speaker 1: the hopes of finding her, okay, get a little more scary.
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Speaker 1: And the reality is to John Cardillo Farmer, NYPD, the
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Speaker 1: longer a case drags out a missing person's case, the
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Speaker 1: more likely as the person is dead or will be. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, sadly that is the case, right to the
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Speaker 1: old cliche, and you want to try to at least
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Speaker 1: have your case. But normally there's the overwhelming evidence. When
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Speaker 1: an abduction case, a missing case happens, there's typically overwhelming
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Speaker 1: evidence that a person is still alive. Unfortunately, when you
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Speaker 1: don't have that, when you have a standard fact pattern,
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Speaker 1: more often than not, it ends badly. Typically turns into
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Speaker 1: a recovery operation. Out of rescue operation, you're looking for
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Speaker 1: the body, not the lie. Victim listens choice and we
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Speaker 1: can take the choice capacity to do good to others,
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Speaker 1: or we could take the choice capacity to use the
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Speaker 1: views and exploit other people. Those choices can inflict pain.
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Speaker 1: They're the kind of words they never thought they'd have
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Speaker 1: to confront. It takes what others mean for bad and
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Speaker 1: bring ultimate good out of it. But after more than
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Speaker 1: two weeks in and missing Heather Gamina Waters, loved ones
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Speaker 1: gathered tonight to face their frustration and harness their hope.
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Speaker 1: Joanna Russell didn't think she'd have the strength to attend
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Speaker 1: a prayer vigil for her vanished child, but she made it.
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Speaker 1: God just moved me to come tonight because he said,
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Speaker 1: I have to be strong. I hope to be strong
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Speaker 1: for her. So I'm here. I'm here because I love
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Speaker 1: my daughter. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here This Saturday, August
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Speaker 1: twenty four, six pm Eastern, five Central Injustice with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace on Oxygen, we explore the mystery surrounding the death
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Speaker 1: of a beautiful mother of two. I referred to her
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Speaker 1: as a Reese Witherspoon look alike. That's what she looked like,
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Speaker 1: down dead in her own bathtub in her apartment. More disturbingly,
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Speaker 1: found dead by her little girl Anna. A lot of
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Speaker 1: confusion surrounding Shelley's death, and it's amazing to me how
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Speaker 1: close that case came to never being solved. Please join
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Speaker 1: us Saturday, August twenty four, six o'clock Eastern, five Central
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Speaker 1: on Oxygen Injustice with Nancy Grace. Thanks guys, I'll see
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Speaker 1: Saturday Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Fears rising for a
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Speaker 1: gorgeous young California mother. She has been missing for nearly
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Speaker 1: a month, and now her car has been found abandoned
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Speaker 1: not too far from where she was last seen. Where
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Speaker 1: is Heather Gamina, I mean, Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You know another question
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Speaker 1: to Fox forty News Sacramento Doug Johnson, cops are not
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Speaker 1: releasing where her car was found. I find that interesting.
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Speaker 1: They're just saying it was an Eldorado County, But what
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Speaker 1: about the condition of the car. Was it empty? Was
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Speaker 1: it you know, empty of gas? Or was there a
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Speaker 1: flat tire? Had there been a fender been or at
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Speaker 1: she crashed into a tree? What was there the doors open?
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Speaker 1: Had she been carjacked? Do we know anything at all
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Speaker 1: about the condition or the location of where her car
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Speaker 1: was found. We know practically nothing from the Sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: Pretty much. All we've gotten from them is they've found
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Speaker 1: the car and it is being processed for evidence at
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Speaker 1: this point in time. The condition, what was in it,
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Speaker 1: was a crash? Was it out in the country, was
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Speaker 1: at parked in a more urban setting? We don't know
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Speaker 1: any of those details. You know, when I look at her,
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Speaker 1: you know what she looks like, Ashley Willcott. She looks
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Speaker 1: like a young Suzanne Summers to me without the side pony. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's what she looks like. For everybody to get a
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Speaker 1: mental picture of this missing mom had the gumino waters, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: what do you think about the state of their relationship?
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Speaker 1: I have not seen. Let me ask Dug Johnson. Has
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Speaker 1: the husband been out there searching at the forefront making plays?
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Speaker 1: Because everything I've heard has been her mother speaking, Doug. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and at this point. I personally have not spoken to
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Speaker 1: the husband. I know we had a colleague of mine,
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Speaker 1: a Runa Shattucks, went to the home where he lived,
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Speaker 1: tried to knock on the door. He wasn't there. At
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Speaker 1: this point in time, he's not reached out to us,
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Speaker 1: And I would describe the relationship between the husband and
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Speaker 1: mothers as strained as far as I can tell. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott judge's trial law your way in. Yeah. So
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Speaker 1: that's significant, a very important piece of the puzzle because
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Speaker 1: Nancy have pointed out in the past, we have kids.
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Speaker 1: You have kids. I have kids. Mothers generally, as a
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Speaker 1: general rule, do not leave their children. They have three
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Speaker 1: children together, Nancy, and typically you are not going to
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Speaker 1: see a mother of three children simply disappear off the
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Speaker 1: face of the earth. And so I suspect that the
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Speaker 1: police are absolutely considering that husband, especially hearing there's a
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Speaker 1: strange relationship. Something's up to you. Doug Johnson, Fox forty.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the husband? Is it
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Speaker 1: correct that he has a criminal history? Oh? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think we've done some background on him that to suggest
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Speaker 1: he has does have a record, But beyond that, there's
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Speaker 1: not much more I can say again, I personally haven't
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Speaker 1: spoken to him, haven't really gotten his sight of these
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Speaker 1: the story. Well, if it's the right person, I can
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Speaker 1: state that there is someone by his name, but you
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Speaker 1: have to really match up by d ob and fingerprint.
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Speaker 1: There's a two sixteen incident where Gumina was busted for
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Speaker 1: having six guns, one of which was stolen, several high
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Speaker 1: velocity magazines, and myth. Twenty seventeen, he was sentenced to
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Speaker 1: five years probation for burglary and witness intimidation. We believe
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Speaker 1: he has a two thousand and two and two thousand
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Speaker 1: and three conviction for metha aphetamine possession. Okay, that's not good.
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Speaker 1: What about that, Ashley, Oh my gosh. When I hear that,
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Speaker 1: I really panic for this young lady because methamphetamine is
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Speaker 1: the scourge. It is. All drugs are bad, don't get
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Speaker 1: me wrong, but this is one that's highly addictive. They say,
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Speaker 1: if you take it once, it's then addictive, and it
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Speaker 1: causes so many changes in the human state, the human mind,
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Speaker 1: and the resulting crimes can be horrific. So that terrifies me. Again.
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Speaker 1: I know we don't know that he did it, but
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Speaker 1: it concerns me that he's involved for this beautiful young lady.
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Speaker 1: So what about it, Doctor Bethany Marshall, if I had
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Speaker 1: heard almost anything other than meth and guns, I mean,
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Speaker 1: if I had a shoplifting or burglary back in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety eight, or stolen vehicle that by saving it might
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Speaker 1: feel a little bit differently. This is very disturbing for me, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: A love of gun is a predict A love of
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Speaker 1: guns and collecting guns is one of the risk factors
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Speaker 1: for violence. Right. We all know that there's a school
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Speaker 1: shooting or domestic commicide, or you know, an armed burglary
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Speaker 1: that goes wrong, or somebody's killed. You often see that
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Speaker 1: the person the perpetrator has a cache of guns and
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Speaker 1: has a long history of fascination with guns. So the
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Speaker 1: amount of weapons he has, the different types of weapons
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Speaker 1: really concern me. Secondly, when I hear meth, the term
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Speaker 1: that comes to my mind is overkilled. You know these
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Speaker 1: crimes you have covered over the years where somebody is
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Speaker 1: tied up more than they need to be tied up,
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Speaker 1: or bludgeoned multiple times or stabbed multiple times, where there
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Speaker 1: is an overkill aspect to the crime. Usually the perpetrator
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Speaker 1: is doing meth amphetamine, so guns math. It's a terrible combination. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It makes me very concerned for this mom of three.
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Speaker 1: To John Cardillo, a former NYPD, Way and John, but
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Speaker 1: I do have to disagree with Bethany because I worked
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Speaker 1: a gun and robbery and a throfin led to homicides
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Speaker 1: and I'm a gun collector. I'm a gun inficianado. I'm
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Speaker 1: not a homicidal maniac. We often found some of the
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Speaker 1: most vicious people had one or two guns bought off
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Speaker 1: the street. So I don't think guns in and of
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Speaker 1: themselves are a factor. You have to look at the
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Speaker 1: domestic relationship and in terms of whether or not well wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo. Now I am no gun expert, although I
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Speaker 1: did have to train for ten years as a d.
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Speaker 1: A's just a DA, right, But I mean, are you
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Speaker 1: actually arguing with doctor Bethany that it's more likely there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be gun violence when you have guns stored in
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Speaker 1: the home where you're a gun collector. I mean, look
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Speaker 1: at all the school shootings that didn't just happen because
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Speaker 1: the gun fell down the chimney. It's a false narrative. Statistically,
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Speaker 1: is not born out. There are thirty some thousand gun
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Speaker 1: debts a year in the United States. Sixty percent of
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Speaker 1: them are suicides, as opposed to oh, about eighty million
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Speaker 1: gun owners. And so I'm a guy who's fit a minute, whoa,
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Speaker 1: whoa wait wait wait, let's look at what you just said. Okay,
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Speaker 1: even with suicides, right with all death by gun overwhelmingly
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Speaker 1: that happens when guns have been stored or collected in
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Speaker 1: the home, not necessarily Hear what I'm saying is of
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Speaker 1: the twelve thousand, there were twelve thousand, four hundred firearm
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Speaker 1: homicides according to the FBI. The ladies f BEHID numbers
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Speaker 1: are the twenty seventeen UCR. The twenty eighteen will be
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Speaker 1: out next month. According to those numbers, both of these
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Speaker 1: were crime on crime, street level perpetrators, drugs, or domestics.
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Speaker 1: Typically police might find one illegally owned firearm in the
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Speaker 1: far less they didn't say illegal or illegal. Well, and
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Speaker 1: the fact that they have a gun at home and
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Speaker 1: only a des million percentage far less than one percent
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Speaker 1: was illegal legally purchased firearm used bad guys have always
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Speaker 1: gotten guns. The gun is the is the symptom. It's
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Speaker 1: not the cause a bad guy wants to kill somebody,
27:41
Speaker 1: a guy wants to do something bad to his wife,
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Speaker 1: He's gonna find a way to do that. Scott Peterson
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Speaker 1: killed Lacy Peterson and the baby without using a firearm.
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Speaker 1: We know that people are strangled. In fact, if you
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Speaker 1: look at the FBI UCR, far more people are killed
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Speaker 1: in the United States yearly body to body, being strangled,
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Speaker 1: being cunched, being kid Okay, why that we're not even
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Speaker 1: talking about that. Well, what I'm saying saying, when someone
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Speaker 1: has to set back and you use a plan B
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Speaker 1: argument because Plan A argument ain't working, that tells me
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Speaker 1: there's a problem with their Plan A argument. Well, not necessarily,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. We're looking at the wrong symptom here. We're
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Speaker 1: saying because the guy was a gun, you gotta look
28:23
Speaker 1: beyond that. You got to look at why. First of all,
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Speaker 1: was he was he involved with meth? Was he involved
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Speaker 1: with an organized criminal enterprise? Were they having domestic problems?
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Speaker 1: Was he involved with some kind of criminal enterprise that
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Speaker 1: she found out about, got fed up and wanted to
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Speaker 1: then blow the whistle on and call the police. I
28:41
Speaker 1: think we've gotten to the place, are we too easily
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Speaker 1: demonize an object and we don't look at all of
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Speaker 1: the other factors we focus on it. I okay, well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, John Cardillo, no offense, but you keep
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Speaker 1: your head in the sand, in your butt in the
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Speaker 1: air about home gun collections and how gun violence or
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Speaker 1: gun accidents are more likely to happen when you have
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Speaker 1: guns at home. I mean, to me, that's just so
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Speaker 1: simple to understand. But I'm going to get back to
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Speaker 1: the case at hand of the disappearance of Heather Gamina Waters,
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Speaker 1: and we can continue our gun violence argument later. In fact,
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Speaker 1: just have it with Dr Bethany and your own on
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Speaker 1: your own time. The search goes on from missing mother
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Speaker 1: of three, Heather Gamina Waters. If you have information, tippline
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Speaker 1: five three zero six two one sixty six hundred repeat
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Speaker 1: five three zero six two one sixty six hundred, Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Heather Gamina? I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's he Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us right now. To Dave Matt Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, I want to get back to
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Speaker 1: this husband now, what, if anything do you know about
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Speaker 1: any convictions or arrests? Well, Nancy Anthony Gamina does have
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Speaker 1: a criminal history. Heather Gamina married Anthony Gamina the first
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Speaker 1: week of March this year, but two weeks before that wedding,
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Speaker 1: they got involved in a knockdown, drag out fight where
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Speaker 1: she had to call the police after he was beating
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Speaker 1: her up any headbuttetor now. He claimed that it was
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Speaker 1: a misunderstanding and that she called the cops in a
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Speaker 1: deliberate attempt to have him sent back to jail. Okay,
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Speaker 1: The Daily Mail has done a phenomenal job with this
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Speaker 1: story and they were able to find out that, at
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Speaker 1: forty four years old, he's currently serving a five year
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Speaker 1: probation term after being convicted of burglary and witness and
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Speaker 1: intimidation in February of twenty seventeen. Now, there are other
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Speaker 1: arrests and things before that, including unarrest with his own
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Speaker 1: father back in twenty sixteen, where they were arrested on
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Speaker 1: firearms and drug charges, including having possession of meth. Doug Johnson,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the husband helping or
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Speaker 1: not helping in the search or making any public plays
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Speaker 1: for his wife, Heather? Well, I do know that they
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Speaker 1: did organize some public searches for Heather before they found
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Speaker 1: the car, and I'm who is they? I'm sorry, friends
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Speaker 1: and family, No her mother. So then I ask you
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Speaker 1: specifically about the husband. I am not sure if the
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Speaker 1: husband took any part in moving Nancy Nancy Champion, Hey Nancy.
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Speaker 1: According to the Daily Mail, they had an exclusive interview
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Speaker 1: with Anthony Gamina. He claims he's helping in the search.
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Speaker 1: He claims he's helping in every way that he can.
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Speaker 1: A direct quote from him is He said that the
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Speaker 1: sheriff's deputies were here tom at his house for like
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Speaker 1: thirty hours doing an instigation. They took my car, they
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Speaker 1: walked every piece of land. So I'm cleaning up again
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Speaker 1: and again and again, and I'm dealing with my wife.
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Speaker 1: I don't deserve this. He also said, look, this marriage
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Speaker 1: is not going to work out, but I would never
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Speaker 1: do anything like this talking about harming her. Well, Kathy
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Speaker 1: Schnyder is a family friend, and she said, look, we
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Speaker 1: don't hear from him much. We don't hear from him.
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Speaker 1: He's not helping with the search efforts, and he's not
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Speaker 1: in our search group. Doug Johnson at Fox forty News Sacramento,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the searches. Well, I
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Speaker 1: know that they were having difficulty because they could only
32:38
Speaker 1: really search on public land in the area, and there
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Speaker 1: are all a lot of private lots. It's not run
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Speaker 1: by the Bureau of Land Management or a forest Service.
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Speaker 1: And what they were telling me is that they couldn't
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Speaker 1: search on those properties without permission from the owners, as
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Speaker 1: some owners were cooperating, some warrant someone they couldn't get
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Speaker 1: a hold of, and really doing an organized search was
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Speaker 1: taking weeks because again they weren't exactly getting assistance from
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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office in those searches. This was something that
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Speaker 1: was kind of a volunteer work force. People hearing about
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Speaker 1: Heather missing that wanted to go out into the woods
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Speaker 1: and start searching for Dave Matt woy In. You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: one of the common things that we see in the
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Speaker 1: family interviews is how emotionally distraught they are. The family.
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Speaker 1: The Heather's mom is just devastated. You can hear it
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Speaker 1: in her voice, you can hear it in her extended family.
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Speaker 1: They are crushed. They actually you know, they've been prayer
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Speaker 1: vigils and things like that, and you know they actually
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Speaker 1: are crushed. I mean, where is this mother of three.
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Speaker 1: Those kids have been left without a mom. They've got
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Speaker 1: family and friends that are taking care of them, but
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Speaker 1: these three kids, the family devastated right now wondering where's mom,
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Speaker 1: Where's my daughter? And the rest of us are thinking
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Speaker 1: the same thing. Listen meantime, Russell says she and Heather's
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Speaker 1: three kids are starting to fear the worst. Her four
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Speaker 1: year old grandson is especially worried, like we can't even
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Speaker 1: really tell him, Like he keeps looking for his mom
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Speaker 1: and he wants to go over there and he can't.
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Speaker 1: Each day that goes by, the hopes of finding are okay,
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Speaker 1: get a little bit more scary. In addition to prayer,
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Speaker 1: we ask that you give us strength watch over Heather.
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Speaker 1: Many of those gathered here have done their own searches
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Speaker 1: for waters in the Plasterville Pleasant Valley area and are
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Speaker 1: desperate for deputies to do the same. But the department's
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Speaker 1: answer to that question is a question where there's been
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Speaker 1: no theory solid enough to give them a reliable location
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Speaker 1: to commit resources to first search. It just feels sick
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Speaker 1: to my stomach. I miss Heather, Miss Heather. The weight
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Speaker 1: of worry too much for loved ones to bear. One
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Speaker 1: minute longer. They want her home safe, her children, miss
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Speaker 1: hurt terribly and it's been a very very painful thing
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Speaker 1: for my family. Every day we wait as justice unfalls,
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Speaker 1: as the search goes on for a missing mother of three,
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Speaker 1: Heather Gamina Waters. If you have information to appline five
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend.