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Episode 48: In Appreciation of Adam Driver - the Incredible Actor Behind Kylo Ren/Ben Solo · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello, there. It's time for most things
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  Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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  episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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  and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne and I'm
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  your host Lauren. And this week, we are going to
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  shower Adam Driver with our love because we are talking all
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  things. Adam Driver kylo.
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  Ren Ben solo. Yeah.
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  All in one because You can't have one without the other and
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  Adam Driver is a wonderful human being and a phenomenal actor and
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  it's high time. We give him some love on this
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  show. Absolutely tall, dark handsome,
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  and brooding, very brooding, very perfectly brooding, I would
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  say yeah. And oh yeah you're really
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  weirdly similar face to Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
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  Like did you ever see that like mashup family photo of yes, like
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  a meme that It's around the internet of like it's so weird.
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  It's but it's like perfect. It's so funny.
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  He's strangely resembles them. Yeah, they do look good.
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  As a family, it makes sense somehow, and I have some
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  thoughts on kylo Ren /, Ben solo as a whole yes that we compared
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  it on the care to dive in right away.
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  Dive in right away. Sure, I think he was the most
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  interesting character of the sequel trilogy.
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  I wish we had seen more of Ben solo himself as opposed to you
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  know the more twisted side. The more evil side Kylie.
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  Yeah man. Hmm.
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  And the thing that has always bothered me about this character
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  has nothing to do with Adam Driver because he performed he
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  executed that role flawlessly. Like I can't Envision anyone
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  else doing that role. Yeah, but the thing that bothers
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  me is like I really wanted like Leia.
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  And hard to have a lovely child. Not some honored Darth Vader so
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  much. Like yeah, I just pictured them
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  having like a lovely child, you know.
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  Yeah. Somebody strong and funny and
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  with since humor and yes, was politically Savvy and kind of a
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  hard-ass, you know. Yeah.
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  And I guess in the end he was a beautiful soul for what he did.
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  But damn anyway, I always had a little bit of sadness that they
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  didn't have like a nicer child. Well, it's part of that whole
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  like they've suffered enough, haven't they?
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  I mean wasn't like, Leah watching all of Alderaan explode
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  like wasn't that enough pain for her?
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  But no she has to have a little child who turns into a brat who
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  you want to become the next dark, lord of the Sith.
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  So yeah, it's like what I've said before I like didn't kylo
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  Ren. See Return of the Jedi like you
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  can hello can turn back, bro. Yeah, I always kind of wanted I
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  always kind of wanted that scene.
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  We're Anakin's Force goes comes and tells kylo.
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  Ren like listen you doing? Yeah.
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  Stop now. Learn from my mistakes, but we
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  didn't get that. That's fine.
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  Yeah. But I would have been good.
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  Adam Driver is wonderful as this character in the sequel Trilogy
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  and just about every character I've ever seen him play in
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  movies and TV shows and He's on stage as well, but I haven't
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  seen him on stage. He's incredible, he's a really
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  surprising actor. I think not surprising that he's
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  good, that's not surprising at all.
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  It's like his range is really incredible.
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  Like I was just looking at his IMDb list and the the last few
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  movies have been so different from each other, you know?
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  Like, the last duel was that like latest Ridley Got movie,
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  which I couldn't bring myself to watch, like I really wanted to
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  see it. But also the subject matter is
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  very dark and very depressing and I like was never in the mood
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  to watch it. But I really want to because I
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  want to see his performance in it and then the house of Gucci,
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  I know? Right.
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  Like just those two roles alone are so am very different.
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  Yeah? Right.
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  I mean that kind of varied, you know, And yeah, those ranges
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  really, really incredible. I remember first seeing him on
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  the show Girls and my God, it was kind of a dark roll it had
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  it was dark at times and I just thought like who is this guy?
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  He's really good like I didn't know who he was right.
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  And he's kind of goofy looking but kind of handsome at the same
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  time and there's just something about him and he was the best
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  one on the show in my opinion. And again, he just had this
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  range where he went from, almost volatile and angry and explosive
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  and then like soft muted, apologetic.
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  Mmm throughout his role in the show, and it was really
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  captivating to watch. And that's what I found myself.
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  Thinking throughout the sequel Trilogy is, he's captivating to
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  watch. Yeah.
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  With or without his shirt on Remember the high waisted pants?
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  Of course. How could I forget?
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  I jesus like, I love it. Ray is like, could you please
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  like, do you have something you could put on?
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  You could, can you put that away, please?
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  I love that girl, please. Yeah, don't try.
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  Yeah, it's search stared men and women alike rejoiced, right?
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  The first time in Star Wars because finally, We got a
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  shirtless. Well, no, no.
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  Our dear Hayden with his metal arm.
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  Oh, shirtless in Revenge of the Sith and listen.
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  I'm not going to let that one go.
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  That was beautiful. How could I forget?
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  Yeah, Mmm, Mmm, Yeah that's seen awkward.
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  But attractive that very, they're all awkward but it's
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  true actually. It's always been the case even
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  Leia and the gold bikini awkward.
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  Super awkward to watch, don't enjoy that.
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  But yeah. Yeah, so Kenobi needs to be
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  awkward and half naked as well. That's our that's our only plea.
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  Come on you and you've been training.
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  But seriously the man has muscles.
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  We know it. He has tattoos but they can
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  cover that up. Yeah, there's make up for that
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  come. Yeah, I was make up for that
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  Robert Downey jr. Has a huge shoulder tattoo that
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  they cover up all the time and Iron Man.
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  So yes and we decisions as well not to not to peep on the Marvel
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  thing but his whole chest is full of tattoos that they just
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  constantly cover-up so, so we know it's possible.
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  So come on Disney, don't don't make excuses anyways, that's not
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  This is about, I mean it is what it's about, but it's not what
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  it's about. He is very captivating though
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  like right from the beginning. Because, you know, everyone
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  talks about the scene where kylo Ren first takes off his helmet
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  and everyone's like, oh, well, who is that?
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  That's not what I meant was Skywalker hair.
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  Yeah, I mean, seriously though. Yeah, well, and I particularly
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  love the giant, like face car. I don't know he to do, do You
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  okay? Cause that's gonna is that weird
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  of me. I think it looks very like,
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  handsome on him. Well, they moved it.
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  You know? They moved it.
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  They had to move it. They moved it.
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  It used to go like right down by his nose and then they kind of
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  shifted it off to the side a little afraid flies.
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  It just kind of moved it. Yeah, surely a little the
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  Nanobots that yo was it was huge it over yet totally.
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  So the face car was a good thing.
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  I love a good face car on a Skywalker.
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  There's things in this episode yet again but yeah, my favorite
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  moment at least in the force awakens is when he's
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  interrogating Poe in that chair. And and kudos to Oscar, Isaac,
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  by the way because that seems really intense.
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  Anyways, an Oscar adds to it, he's an incredible actor by the
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  way for anyone who's watching Moon night right now.
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  Holy shit. That's all I'm gonna say.
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  Oscar, Isaac has outdone himself, he's phenomenal in it.
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  I haven't watched it, but he's such a good actor.
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  He's such a good actor, literally.
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  Anyway, So I was out of driver but like the the intensity that
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  Adam brings Flawless, like, he's one of those people that can do
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  it with his face. Mmm.
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  Very few people can do that very well.
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  Yeah, and not make it campy. You're like, like overacting.
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  It's more like very sincere and that's what makes him scary, but
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  it's also makes him relatable later.
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  Like especially in like the rise of Skywalker when he has those
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  moments eat, honestly, even in force awakens the moments with
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  hon. Hmm.
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  Oh my God, there's a moment. Your ability.
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  You know me? Yes.
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  That character has so many levels so many and amazing.
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  That's what makes them interesting to me.
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  He's literally the more conflict a character has the more I like
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  them because that is something I identified with at least.
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  Growth comes from conflict, or at least inner conflict that you
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  have to face and then grow from. And we see that I wish we would
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  have seen more, I think, the been so low moments where he's
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  on exag all, and it gets the lightsaber from Ray somehow
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  because they're a dyad. So they like occupy the same
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  space time. They can just whatever it's
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  fine. I'm here for whatever.
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  But when he goes into like full Ben solo almost like a Jedi
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  mode. Yeah, nothing beats it / Han
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  Solo. It's like wait, if Han Solo were
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  a Jedi, that's what he would be. Because he does the like side
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  shoot. You know, like Honda's without
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  looking, yes the degree but he does it so well in the thing is
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  that's the son that I wanted Leia and Han to have.
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  So I guess I did kind of get it. But but like for 30 seconds, It
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  was like the last moments of the last movie, it's whatever.
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  Yeah, I know. And the the moment with them
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  together in the throne room where they both light their
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  lightsabers and they're standing there him and Ray Side by Side.
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  So good and then just so fucking crushing like that also only
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  lasts a few seconds before, they rip their fucking hearts out.
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  Again, once again, Star Wars is pain but we keep coming back for
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  more but it's his In of all of it.
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  Yeah, the questioning of himself that we see through all three
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  films in the sequel, Trilogy is consistent.
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  It's a consistent level of he's obviously very torn.
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  Adam performs it very well. You know because these movies
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  aren't shot back-to-back. So like you have to continue to
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  be that flawless. you know, over time and maintain a level of
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  character that witch His intensity, just brings it like
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  full circle. It's his intensity, and
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  Skywalker's are supposed to be intense and messy.
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  And yes, he's the Skywalker. Because he has Skywalker blood
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  even though he's just so low. Mmm, you know, he's a Skywalker
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  or solo, you know. Yeah.
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  Adam Driver went to Juilliard. Yeah.
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  And his classmates described him as being so intense that he made
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  them cry. When they were like learning,
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  yeah, this was him and his infancy will say in his career
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  and it's like, he hasn't lost any of that.
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  Yeah, I was just listening to something right before this, I
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  was listening to his Ted Talk which is really fascinating.
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  What's yeah? Yeah.
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  So if anybody isn't aware, he did a TED Talk and I highly
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  recommend listening to it because it's all about his
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  military experience. But then after he was medically
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  separated from the military for dislocating, his sternum of all
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  things, I don't even know how to bike.
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  Accident. Yeah.
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  How is that even possible? So I don't have intense when
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  he's riding a bike. He doesn't do anything without
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  intensity. but he said like when when he went to Juilliard that
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  like he was still in like military mental mode, you know,
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  and it was really hard for him to shift into the acting class
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  because he had this idea that like his like, civilian problems
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  weren't valid, you know, compared to like military
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  problems and it was like this shift he was experiencing and so
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  that's part of why I like he was so intense in class because Is
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  he was learning too. He even said that he was
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  learning to put words to feelings for like the first time
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  in his life. Hmm.
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  Because the in the military you're you don't express
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  yourself, right? You know, and you're not
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  supposed to, you know, like to a certain extent and so he was it
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  was like a very intense period of growth in his life and
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  Juilliard which makes sense and like it doesn't surprise me at
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  all that. He's a Juilliard graduate.
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  Yeah, his skill level is insane. Yeah, the Excellency, he brings
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  and the like we said the range that he has is, is definitely
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  one of a Juilliard graduate. For sure.
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  Got to be able to play a character that is intense and
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  frightening, and intimidating. And also play vulnerable and all
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  in the same character, even is very impressive.
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  And to be completely believable in every aspect of it.
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  Especially in something that's like a Sci-Fi space drama to be
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  real like very realistic, very relatable, and something that is
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  like a fantasy. I think that really speaks
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  volumes of the kind of caliber actor, he is.
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  Hmm. I think in The Last Jedi, when
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  they are on crate and they're in the at ATS or 80 80s depending
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  on who you are, hmm. Are at ATS to me.
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  But they're facing Luke Wright and Luke's the prism or Force
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  projection, projection. Whatever it is.
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  Yeah. And he screams like, and he's
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  shouting, you so angry, I would have been so fucking afraid to
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  be next to him because that's all very real.
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  Yeah, not that he was angry at, you know, Mark Hamill for
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  anything. But that screaming was legit.
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  I mean he's putting it all. Into that.
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  Yeah, that role. And yeah, I would have been one
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  of those kids kids one of those classmates at Juilliard.
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  Huge. Probably just would have started
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  crying because of the overwhelming.
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  Yes, too much. Yeah, there's a lot going on
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  with this one and he's really good, you know.
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  Yeah. I should he made us cry with Han
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  Solo at the end of well, towards the end of the rise of
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  Skywalker. That was a lot.
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  That was, that was very intense. Yeah, that and even the end of
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  the movie, We're like when he and Ray kiss and then he gives
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  her that look like that smile. The first time he's happy or
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  something. It's really sad.
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  It's terrible painful because the smile is so hopeful it and
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  like wholesome and free. Yeah, he's yeah of whatever
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  weight he looks free and then he's just taken from us like
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  everybody else. Yeah, that I still love him.
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  So disappointed that they decided About to kill the
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  character. I mean, I am too.
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  Because damn, I don't, it's he could have had a damn good
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  Redemption Arc, like a whole ass Arc with Ray seriously, he's
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  redeemed school. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Do your uncle, a solid and build
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  a new school. That was seriously.
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  The one you burnt down or to the ground.
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  Yeah. And like Ray deserved a
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  companion as well because she was The Loner, you know, the
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  soul we left alone. Yeah.
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  And like, okay. You can make the argument that
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  she's like Luke and she's like a Sokka where they're like lone
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  wolves but like she was always that way.
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  Just like Luke was it's very heartbreaking, right?
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  Is like it wouldn't be so terrible that she would have a
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  companion or a partner to like carry on the her diet.
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  She's like incomplete now. Yeah, because Ben solo and Ray
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  were complete when they were together because they're a diet.
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  No. Now she's She's like, always
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  going to be missing part of herself.
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  This is very depressing. It's very depressing.
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  I kind of love it. I hate it and I love it.
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  Yeah you know we go over this every week basically but she
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  does have fin and a lot of people want to see Finn as a
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  Jedi or a Jedi and training to join Ray.
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  And I am here for that 110%. Say I feel like he his character
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  if we're talking about characters and character arcs
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  and things had the most potential in the force awakens,
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  and unfortunately, it never got to a point where His character
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  got to. Be fulfilled again to he ended
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  up doing nothing almost he had. So and this is not John boyega.
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  Who is fucking amazing? Oh my God, he's awesome.
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  Has nothing to do with it. We're talking about I'm writing
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  we're talking about storytelling here.
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  Well and I think he feels that way as well.
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  He oh, he absolutely does. Yeah, and I think that if they
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  have any sequel Trilogy related TV shows or anything, anything
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  he deserves to have a lightsaber in his hand and to become A Jedi
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  alongside Ray, it's not easy to go from being a stormtrooper and
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  defying all of that bullshit turning around and serving the
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  resistance. Yeah, he's a good dude.
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  He deserves some Independence. I would say yes and a best
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  friend because he was alone as well.
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  They were all loners. Yeah, that's really true.
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  Pose parents died and he was basically raised on the base.
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  And Finn was taken from his family and thrown into the first
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  order, the first order. Yeah.
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  He didn't even want to do it. And he, and he, you know,
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  defected and Ray was just left over and over and over again.
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  Yeah, just abandoned Forever. Three lost souls that found each
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  other which I think is beautiful.
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  It's a beautiful stories. Just like Han Leia and Luke.
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  Yeah it's found family, right? Can we just talk about Adam
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  Driver sense of humor for a minute, please?
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  Do you mean Matt the radar repairman or whatever?
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  It is from some fucking SNL? Oh my God.
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  Brilliant i-it's he is so funny and just so good at not just
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  performing comedy but also like making fun of himself like
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  laughing at himself totally totally.
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  He has like a deadpan appearance to his humor which yeah.
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  Is even better because I don't know.
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  He That's another side of his intensity is like, you know,
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  humor is even like that. He's great, he's great and that
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  SNL skit. He's been on SNL three times.
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  He's honestly, his SNL performances are some of my
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  favorite episodes of ss. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Because there's not much to go
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  off of there anymore, but not, you guys brought a little
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  Sparkle to Saturday Night Live. I think I've sent you have.
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  I sent you this, get where he's the like elementary schools.
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  Science teacher. And he's trying to teach to kids
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  like two little kids and experiment and he just like
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  loses his shit. It's like a public television
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  show. It's I feel like I have seen
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  this, but I'm a means of, like, throwing this stapler across the
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  two-stage. It's so funny.
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  The way to it. Oh my God.
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  I was gonna say, I really did I so many levels.
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  General Grievous has yeah, yeah and he's also in that Jim
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  jarmusch film, the zombie movie. Mmm.
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  And he's so like a deadpan in that as well.
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  And just like, yeah I think it's zombies.
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  I'm thinking Zone. He said really like he's so
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  perfect for it. He was also with Oscar Isaac in
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  another film. Oh yeah.
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  Inside Llewyn Davis which is an excellent I mean Oscar.
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  Isaac, my God will do an episode on him because oh absolutely his
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  range as well. Is all of these people are
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  fantastic. He's worked.
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  Honestly, it was some like crazy good directors to like, yes in
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  that film is a Coen Brothers movie.
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  Yes. And it was a, it was a Academy,
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  award-nominated film? Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean he had a small role but it's a goofy role.
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  He's literally see. Singing a song with Justin
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  Timberlake. Oh yeah, I remember this like.
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  Yes, it's so weird. It's very like weird.
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  Is it the 60s or the 70s? And that movement?
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  No. I never actually, it's one of
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  them. Oh my god.
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  Did you know that Adam Driver beat out, Michael Fassbender for
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  the role of kylo? Ren Let's sing my shit.
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  What? You're right.
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  Michael seems weird. That's weird to me.
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  If you look at pictures of Michael Fassbender and you look
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  at pictures of Adam Driver, do you not get a weird like That's
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  a no for me on the Michael fast and he doesn't have the look or
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  is it because no, he yeah, we've seen Adam Driver as Ben solo may
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  be used to him and now but like, Michael Fassbender.
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  Number one doesn't really resemble his fictional parents.
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  He's too, it's also kind of too old.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and number three, he's
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  like to, he's like two X-Men. Thank you like I just I don't
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  know. It's a no, it's just, you know,
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  it doesn't make sense. Mmm, it's the wrong level of
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  like, he's a great actor. I have a lot of respect for him,
• 23:33
  but him in Star Wars makes no sense at all II.
• 23:36
  Don't see it. I don't one of the articles I
• 23:39
  read though says that he was the second choice.
• 23:42
  How interesting? I just read that there was a
• 23:46
  rumor that he lost out the role of Dick, Grayson to Jesse
• 23:53
  Eisenberg or something like that.
• 23:55
  In the Batman vs Superman, who lost out Adam Driver.
• 24:01
  Really was like in the running to play dick.
• 24:03
  Drake Dick Grayson I was like first of all yes please.
• 24:07
  Yeah. Okay, well feel about that as a
• 24:09
  Dick Grayson lover he's actually wrong very much so for the part
• 24:13
  but I He's fine with it, you're loud.
• 24:18
  Well because decrease in is boyish and Adam Driver is not
• 24:22
  boyish. She is like deep brooding and
• 24:24
  manly with a very deep voice and Dick.
• 24:26
  Grayson is never that but I don't care and I want him to
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  show me that he can play the part.
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  I'm all for it. If he shapes and cuts his hair
• 24:34
  he could look like a child. I mean I mean not child.
• 24:38
  What am I saying? He couldn't look younger days.
• 24:41
  Yeah, yeah. Apparently he's like he's into
• 24:47
  the idea so let's do that. Like I definitely would pick
• 24:52
  Adam Driver over Jace. Jesse Eisenberg for the role any
• 24:56
  day of the week but let's talk about Logan.
• 24:59
  Lucky that Adam drivers in because a lot of people like
• 25:02
  this movie, I however couldn't get more than 20 minutes into it
• 25:06
  before I had to turn it off. I thought it was that bad.
• 25:09
  I didn't even get to Adam Driver in the movie.
• 25:11
  Oh, he's the best part. I know and everybody.
• 25:14
  Told me that and I just couldn't deal with the first 20 to 30
• 25:18
  minutes to even get to him. Yeah.
• 25:21
  So I didn't make it. I'm sorry Adam.
• 25:24
  It's very like it. He is the best part because he's
• 25:27
  very dead pan in it. Yeah.
• 25:30
  And that's why it's great. He's funny and I think he's like
• 25:33
  I think the characters like missing an arm and like he just
• 25:36
  yeah. It's all very like he's very
• 25:39
  funny in it but I could the rest of it.
• 25:44
  Ooh, I could. I'm okay, without it.
• 25:46
  Yeah, yeah. It was rough for me to get
• 25:47
  through. I apologize to anyone who loves
• 25:49
  the movie or enjoyed it. I just said, I couldn't, I
• 25:52
  couldn't make it. If you can't get to me in the
• 25:55
  first, you know, half hour. It's a no-go.
• 25:57
  Yeah, you know, did you watch marriage story?
• 26:02
  I didn't, I couldn't bring myself to watch it.
• 26:05
  It's got to be good. I heard it was I heard it was
• 26:08
  amazing? Yeah, absolutely hands down, has
• 26:12
  to be good, you know, he's In it.
• 26:15
  He had just, I just, I'm in a state in my life where I cannot
• 26:21
  bring myself to watch anything depressing.
• 26:23
  Yeah. Everything is too depressing as
• 26:26
  it. Is it really it like everything
• 26:30
  comes you come away feeling like, kind of hopeless?
• 26:33
  Yeah, I've heard. It's very like realistic and I
• 26:36
  just don't like need to see a relationship dissolving like I
• 26:40
  watched her. And that was enough, you know,
• 26:43
  back in the day. Oh my God.
• 26:45
  That was I was like I never need to see that movie ever again.
• 26:48
  It was so depressing to me. That's did you want black
• 26:52
  klansman I really wanted to see that but I never saw that one.
• 26:56
  I have hurt. He got an Academy Award
• 26:58
  nomination for that one. I think.
• 27:00
  Is that the one? I think that's one of his
• 27:03
  mother's an Academy Award nomination.
• 27:05
  Yeah. I think he's been nominated
• 27:06
  twice and I think that was one of them.
• 27:09
  He's such a good actor. Goddamn, he really is.
• 27:11
  I mean, and that's why we're here, we're here because I don't
• 27:15
  think the role of kylo, Ren, or Ben solo.
• 27:17
  Whatever you want to call him. Could have gone to anyone else.
• 27:22
  Now seeing the range that Adam gave to the character and yeah
• 27:26
  he made us care. He made us fucking care and
• 27:29
  that's really important because we don't care about a lot of it
• 27:33
  right now. You know there's a few things we
• 27:37
  care about in the sequel Trilogy.
• 27:38
  There's all those are things we do care about.
• 27:41
  Yeah. A lot of things we don't.
• 27:42
  Yeah, we could take your leave quite a bit of it.
• 27:46
  But he is the best. Well one of the best parts of
• 27:48
  it. I really, I really enjoyed his
• 27:51
  performance and like his chemistry with Daisy Ridley.
• 27:55
  Whether or not your reloj shipper, just even their
• 27:59
  performances next to each other but it's very captivating.
• 28:04
  They did complement one another very well.
• 28:06
  Hmm, and they're fighting style to they train together and did a
• 28:10
  lot of fighting together and I think, well Daisy Ridley's a
• 28:13
  badass. I mean she is built She is she's
• 28:18
  hard-working. She actress.
• 28:20
  Yeah. And she's beautiful.
• 28:23
  And it's a beautiful spirit. She is so funny and always
• 28:27
  smiling. And yes, and we need more of
• 28:29
  those. We need to do an episode about
• 28:31
  her. We all these people, we have so
• 28:34
  many people to go through. It's really hard to choose who
• 28:37
  we talked about, we just go with whatever we're feeling and we
• 28:39
  felt like Adam Driver today. So that's why we're talking
• 28:42
  about them. It was time.
• 28:44
  Yeah, we were Admiring him from afar or just, if we're talking
• 28:49
  about what he looks like, also in the throne room from The Last
• 28:52
  Jedi, he gives me major like 19, early 1990s, Trent, Reznor
• 28:59
  Vibes. Hmm, you would know?
• 29:01
  Yes, I like that. Yeah, I know what I also like
• 29:04
  about The Throne Room. Mmm is when he does that little
• 29:08
  finger move and brings the light saber Cuts it through snoke.
• 29:14
  I enjoyed that seeing, I know that's fantastic.
• 29:17
  Yes, those red guards or whatever, literally doing
• 29:22
  nothing, but no does, it doesn't matter, like the whole spinny,
• 29:25
  it's like all for show, but I don't care because watching him
• 29:28
  and Ray fight together is super fun.
• 29:30
  Yes. Yes, all of that.
• 29:32
  There was a lot of longing stares into each other's eyes.
• 29:36
  Well, unlike clearly they're like in sync, right?
• 29:38
  They've never fought side by side but there's still like
• 29:42
  Yeah, it's great. I love it is good.
• 29:44
  I think for subtle that subtle little movement with his, yeah,
• 29:47
  hurted, like, because he can't give give himself away.
• 29:51
  Yeah, it's very good. It's very good.
• 29:54
  It's fantastic. Yeah, that's a little shit.
• 29:56
  I like about Star Wars. It's good shit.
• 30:00
  Won't hear me say much about little ass Jedi, so I think
• 30:05
  everything I liked about that movie was in that scene.
• 30:08
  So pretty, pretty much yeah till they broke.
• 30:12
  Anakin's lightsaber. Then I have Roper.
• 30:14
  I have real fucking problems with that but it's fine.
• 30:16
  It's whatever we can go into that and, uh, another time.
• 30:20
  Yeah. But bottom line, we love you
• 30:22
  Adam Driver. Turning it over to you guys and
• 30:32
  gals. What is your favorite Adam
• 30:35
  Driver performance? Other than his role as kylo Ren
• 30:38
  and been Solo in Star Wars? Tell us.
• 30:40
  We'd love to know. Okay, join us back here.
• 30:44
  Next week, we are going to talk about an Obi-Wan Kenobi fan film
• 30:49
  a couple of years ago about two years ago.
• 30:51
  Jamie cost at put out a Star Wars fan film called Kenobi and
• 30:55
  it takes place in the desert on Tatooine and it's actually
• 30:58
  really, really beautiful. And it stars James Arnold
• 31:00
  Taylor. He has a small part in it, so
• 31:03
  we're going to watch it and then have a discussion about it next
• 31:05
  week. Yes, we're getting hyped.
• 31:07
  We're getting hyped slowly but surely we're getting hyped.
• 31:10
  Even the actual Kenobi series little by little Yeah, any
• 31:14
  little taste we can get well will jump right on there.
• 31:20
  Last week, we went over Lauren and eyes top five wants needs
• 31:25
  and desires. If you will for the upcoming
• 31:27
  Kenobi series on Disney plus, and we got a really amazing
• 31:32
  comment on Twitter from a follower and supporter named
• 31:35
  Jedi Master. Adam, he says, Oh, yay.
• 31:39
  I was thinking about making a tick tock about this too.
• 31:42
  Meaning the Kenobi, top 5 things.
• 31:45
  We want to see, he goes on to say, I love your episodes where
• 31:48
  I am cheering and talking to you both.
• 31:50
  Both as if you are friends, who can hear me?
• 31:52
  This is definitely going to be one of those.
• 31:55
  He then said real talk every time I listen to your show, I
• 31:58
  wish I could chat along. I love your banter.
• 32:01
  Listen, Jedi Master, Adam. This is as we told you on
• 32:06
  Twitter, the reason why we do this podcast, it is so cool to
• 32:11
  connect with people, like yourself and all the amazing
• 32:13
  people we've connected with through this humble little
• 32:16
  podcast. So, thank you so much for
• 32:18
  dropping us a note on Twitter, it made our day.
• 32:20
  Days, and it made this episode's podcast.
• 32:24
  Thank you so much for joining us here, on the most things Kenobi
• 32:26
  podcast. Remember to follow us on Tumblr,
• 32:29
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• 32:32
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• 32:38
  plus, you can always find us over at boastings Kenobi.com.
• 32:43
  So until next time, my space twin May the force be with you
• 32:47
  always. So until next time, my space
• 32:44
  twin May the force be with you always.