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THROWBACK: Terror Tour! The Franklin Castle! · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: This was a vision.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you these people are Satanists as I sit
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  here there, Satanists.
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  Speaker 1: But the world is called these kind of things, black masses, mutilations, mutilations,
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  the ink of us, the suck of us. I'm telling you,
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  we gotta go down to the religious supplies, or we
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  gotta get ourselves a couple of gallons of holy water.
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  My cousin Jerry's a precy can get us a deal.
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  Do you want it to take your family kidnap and
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  tear their livers out and make some kind of satanic PATAI?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, once they get in here, it's over bell.
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  Speaker 1: Trigger warning.
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  Speaker 2: This podcast may include explicit content that will take you
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  out of your comfort zone and make you question reality.
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  Listener's discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of Cleveland Schwill and I
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  hope that you are all tucked in and cozy in
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  your beds, because let me tell you something. We're about
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  to scare the literal shit out of you. Literal shit.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is the thought.
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  Speaker 1: Were you driving. Don't look in the back seat, there's
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  probably a ghost. Don't look in the rear view mirror.
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  There's a ghost in the car. That's what we're talking
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  about right now on the Cleveland Swill because this episode
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  is haunted and I have with me co host Dave Hamilton. Dave,
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  how are you since you've been to the to the
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  undisclosed location we're about to discuss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm not going to be the one to
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  disclose anything. I just know I'm happy to be here,
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  happy to be alive, to have survived it. I've been
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  getting a lot of comments about a photograph of me
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  that was taken laying down in front of a fireplace,
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  and so we'll get into that maybe a little bit.
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  But yeah, this is awesome. And we've got an even
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  specialer guest today, so this is going to be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we do. Somebody came into town, into Cleveland, into
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  Cleveland's Ohio city, almost particularly for this residence. This residence
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  happens to be on Franklin Avenue and it was built
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  in the eighteen hundreds, a little bit after or during
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  the Civil War, or a little bit after the Civil War. No,
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  it was after the Civil War. We have Cosmic Peach
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  back with us. What's up?
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  Speaker 3: What is up? Brian? I got the goose pimples already.
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  I look like a featherless chicken over here, Brian, I
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  can't wait to get into tonight's episode.
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  Speaker 1: I know we did. We're actually doing a dual episode.
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  So this is going to air on your on your
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  feed and on my feed, and this is going to
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  be very interesting. But considering it pertains to Cleveland, I
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  couldn't and we all partake in the event, I couldn't
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  leave it off my channel.
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  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I want to ask you, Brian, Yeah,
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  what are you sipping on tonight?
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question. Most people don't ask me that
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  I actually picked up something from a new brewery and
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  it's something that I actually need. So this brewery is
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  called Mad Tree, and I found out Mad Tree Brewery
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  is out of Cincinnati. The beer is an ipa surprise, surprise.
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  It's called psycho or psychopathy or psychopathy. I don't know
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  how to pronounce it, but whatever is, probably I probably
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  should be diagnosed with it. So let me go ahead
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  and take a simple.
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  Speaker 3: Hell. Yeah, that's perfect for our episode tonight. We are
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  talking about some psycho stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yes we are. We most definitely are. Now did you
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  bring a beverage with you?
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  Speaker 3: I did. I do have a beverage. I'll show it
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  to you first, and then you can guess what it is.
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  It looks like right, okay, so it looks like milk,
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  but it is an alcoholic beverage. I'll give you, guys
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  one guess what it is, white, I am drinking living
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  jewel sake. What sake? That's right. It is a Japanese delicacy. Ah,
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  and it's like a milky wine. But it's so delicious, Brian,
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  get that fucking look off your face. It is so good.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you guys don't want to know what I think
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  it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Do you heat it up? Or do you drink it
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  cold served?
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  Speaker 3: Chilled? Over ice? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Nice? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 3: And when I say over ice, you put. They usually
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  bring it to you in the at the restaurant in
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  a bucket of ice, and you just take the bottle,
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  pour a little in your glass, and then stick it
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  back in the ice bucket. And they have all different
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  kinds of sake that aren't as milky as this one,
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  but the alcohol content goes way low when you get
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  away from these cloudy ones.
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  Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is the cloudy ones are
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  the ones that bring a smile to everyone's face.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, including your own. I have to tell you. It's
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  if you guys have never tried sake, you need to
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  put it on your list because it is delicious. And
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  Zachary actually turned me onto it because he loves anime
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  and he's a big anime guy, and he was like, oh,
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  I bet you'd like sake, and I was like, that
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  sounds like like a trailer trash beer or something. I'm
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  not drinking that.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't have sake tonight, but I do know
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  what sake is, and I've drank it many times, and
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  I like it because you drink it and you you
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  kind of get like wasted quickly and then sort of
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  over it, yep, and it kind of disappears and then
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  you don't have like that. I just drank at twelve
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  pack of beer hangover or whatever. That's what I like
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  about it. But yes, good choice, and you've just like
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  weigh one up to anything anyone's ever drank on this show.
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  I'm pretty sure good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If you drink too much of it, though, you will
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  get this splatty flatulence, so just be careful those with I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want that aut.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So I'm gonna well, listen, I do have a
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  drink and I'm trying. I'm doing my best Brian impersonation
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  tonight because I also an IPA here. It's from Columbus Brewing,
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  which everyone around here would know. And I think this
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  is called like Body or Bodie. I can't really tell.
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  How Die looks like it's gonna be a good one.
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  I'm gonna crack this bad boy open eight point three
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  percent alcohol, so I'll be slur half way through it.
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  And yeah, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Cheers, cheers before the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Cheers, Cleveland Twill, Cosmic Peach. This is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, all right, bottoms up everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So the building that we're speaking of top secret,
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  and if you saw the title of the episode, Jordy
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  know what it is. But we are talking about a
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  very famous building right here in Cleveland, the Franklin Castle,
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  which Hans Tiedaman owned way way back in the eighteen eighties.
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  I think he was the one who built it. Uh
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  in Ohio City. There and we got ourselves a tour,
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  ladies and gentlemen, we got ourselves a tour. Dave was there,
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  Julia was there, I was there, Cosmic Peach was there. Uh,
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  and it was uh.
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  Speaker 4: The imagination, let's call it let's call it a tour,
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  and then some.
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  Speaker 3: A tour and then some fuckery, because let's just let's
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  start it off like this. We're all standing outside this
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  gorgeous establishment, outside of the wrought iron gates, and we're
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  just so ready for this thing to get started. I
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  was on pins and needles. Everyone was on pins and needles.
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  And we meet our host for the night, our tour guide,
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  and he comes and he lets us in, and we're
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  all very excited to meet him, and I I distinctly
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  remember him being a little bit disheveled and a little
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  bit like I just woke up from a two hour
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  long power nap. Yeah, And I don't know, David, what's
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  your first impression of our host?
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  Speaker 2: My first impression was I was I was intrigued, to
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  be honest with you, and for the first for the
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  first like half hour, I was like sort of really
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  enjoying him. But right away the clock, the internal clock
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  in my head, and people who know me and are
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  close to me know that I get time frames. I'm
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  weird about time frames, and if I'm told something I need,
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  then it needs to be that. And for like the
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  first half hour of this, I was digging on this
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  guy's stories and he seemed cool.
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  Speaker 1: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: The disheveled look was kind of cool and little bourbon
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  on his breath, you know what I mean. It was like,
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  this is like an authentic cool This is who you
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  want showing you around this place, right, that was my
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  first impression.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like home homeboy's been drinking. That's what
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  I thought.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're about to have a good time. He's
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  nice and loosened up and ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what.
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  Speaker 1: Well And you know what though, that's just I hate
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  to say it. That's my stereo type of your opinions.
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  I feel like they're always drinking.
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  Speaker 3: So he's wearing like five different types of patterns, like
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  corduroy and some other checkered. He had on like seventeen
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  different patterns. And it was like my brother had his
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  ticket on his other phone, so he let everybody else
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  in the gate, and so you ran back out to
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  your car to get your other phone, and he was like, okay,
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  well we even wait for him, and then we all
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  go in the house and he doesn't even check that
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  you have the he just lets you back in. You
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  could have totally just been bullshitting that you had the
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  ticket at.
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  Speaker 2: All, would have thought about it. And looking back on
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  it too, I realize now he would go from like
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  very nonchalant to like super serious in like quickly, you
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  know what he's saying.
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  Speaker 5: They're going around the castle and it's beautiful and oh
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  look at this.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and you'd just be like.
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  Speaker 1: There was like no in between.
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  Speaker 2: It was a super nonchalant or you're kicked out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Because so the first room that we're escorted into,
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  we go through this beautiful little entryway and it breaks
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  off into a double living room. Is what it looks
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  like to me. It's like definitely like a smoking lounge
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  type of area, and they've painted the walls red. They
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  have some silly looking spiderwebby thing moment happening, and I
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  actually thought it smelt like kind of like sage or
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  they were burning like incense for sure, right, And it
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  just added to the whole mystique of the room. And
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  you're like, oh my gosh, this is gonna be great.
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  But then he goes, Okay, you take photographs, I'll be back,
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  and then he just slips off through a doorway, closes
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  the door, and he leaves us to our own devices
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  for like, would you say maybe twenty minutes?
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  Speaker 2: It was, it was a good long while. And again,
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  think about what you just said. He left us in
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  this room for what maybe twenty minutes? This is supposed
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  to be an hour tour. We were not out of
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  the word. Okay, we were in the first room where
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  you said, there's the incense. We go down into a stairway,
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  we see a stairway. I'm not kidding you. It was
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  a stairway. Then a little door opens up in the
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  stairway and we're down in this room and I think
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  at that point we had been there for an hour already. Yes,
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  technically the tour had not begun yet.
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  Speaker 6: Really really, yeah, let me just throw you in on
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  how this is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to ruin the tour for anybody by
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  saying this, but if anybody wants to do this tour,
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  the first thing you got to understand is one, it's
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  not an hour. There's no way it's an hour. This
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  man is never going to do a one hour tour. Also,
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  if you want to know anything about ghost spirits, hauntings,
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  this is not the tour for you.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to learn about architecture, this is the
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  tour for you.
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  Speaker 1: You want to know if you want to know where
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  one of the leaves fell in the backyard thirty years ago,
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  and how it's still there, and that it's doesn't belong
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  to any of the trees in the yard, and that
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  maybe there's a mouse living under a rock somewhere in
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  the house. This is the tour for you. Any any
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  information that you'd be like, that's completely irrelevant. Thank you
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  for telling you. I wish I never knew that, and
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  I will soon forget it. That's the til you're gonna
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  be hond Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and again, it's not that the things he says
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  aren't to some degree interesting, but it's the wrong sort
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  of it's the wrong sort of thing you would think
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  you'd be going in for. Like like we were saying,
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  it's like he would occasionally mention a creepy story that
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  like some there were bones found here, or there was
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  this or that, but if you said anything about paranormal
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  or spirits or anything, he would do one of the
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  real serious things and he would be like, the house
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  will tell you if it's haunted or not. Like he'd
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  feel like weird ethereal sort of philosophical things, but never
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  actually say. He would almost get mad if you would
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  say the house was haunted, but then he would make
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  the house have its own personality and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He would get mad if you if you said the
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  house was haunted, but then tell you that he's had
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  conversations with no one for fifteen minutes. Yes, I think
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  that it was somebody else. Yes, And like that's the
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  kind of thing that the house would do.
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  Speaker 2: And what did you think the video that went viral
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  that they pulled down because it was just way too viral,
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  that that was like.
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  Speaker 3: A servant in the background or something. Somebody took a
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  video in the basement in the servants quarters where we were.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear you, guys, has you ever heard
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  of a video beating taket? This was just too viral.
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  We just did we could, guys, it's just way too viral.
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  We're getting way too much advertisement.
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  Speaker 2: Money on this thing.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: We just to pull this thing down. I can't cash
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  all these checks.
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  Speaker 1: All it was.
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  Speaker 3: He even said they posted it onto their Facebook channel
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  and it was just going so crazy that they took
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  their Facebook channel down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't just expand your bandwidth, no, yeah, no,
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  you get those followers not in Germany.
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  Speaker 3: He had like this weird creepiness about him, like already,
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  and then like Brian's sister Kim leans over to me
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  and she's like she won't admit it, but she's totally
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  into this shit, and she like leaned into me and
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  she goes, what if the house really does choose the owner?
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  I mean, think about it, Julie. He's German and he
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  just so happens to be eccentric enough to do this tour.
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  And I was like looking at her and I was like, no,
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  do you really? Because he said everybody moved in moved
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  out exactly two years later on the day, except.
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  Speaker 1: For if the house didn't want them.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the house didn't want them.
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  Speaker 1: So so let's let's give them a little Let me
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  start from the beginning. We walked in. This is what
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  you're gonna expect. You're gonna walk in. They're gonna get
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  the group together. I'm gonna give you, guys this whole
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  tour that we saw in five minutes. This is what happens,
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  all right, and then we can talk about the details.
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  You walk in, you smell alcohol on some breaths. You
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  come in, go into the front door, some kind of
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  ethereal music is playing, incenses lit. Most of the lights
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  in the house are off, candles lit. You're kind of
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  wondering the structure of the building. You're left to your
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  own devices. You kind of just walk around for a
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  minute in the rooms. Get to know the people that
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  you're gonna be on the tour with if you talk
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  to them. There's a dining room table, and there's a
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  few couches you're for you to sit anywhere you want.
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  He comes back in the room. You're gonna get a
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  thing about a time machine. He's gonna talk about a
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  time machine. He's gonna talk about stops along the time machine.
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  This time machine is about when the house is built,
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  several of the different owners that have the house. You
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  leave that area when he's done talking about the time machine. Granted,
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  Dave filled you in this. We're already fifty minutes into
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  the tour of what you thought was gonna be a
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  one hour tour. By the time we go to the
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  next room. Go into a next room. He starts asking
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  you to knock on all the walls. You're gonna be
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  knocking on some walls, blow and behold secret passageway. Goom bam,
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  go down to the right.
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  Speaker 3: Just wait the way you're desscribing it, you're gonna knock
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  on some walls, blow mill secret way.
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  Speaker 1: Because I have to cut out the part where he's
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  asking you for fifteen minutes straight, look at this wood.
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  Look at the Did you know this wood comes from
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  the east side of Cleveland? Look at you? No, stop
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  everything you're doing. Stop breathing. Hey, look you missed one.
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  Speaker 3: Of the important details though, for this to make sense,
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  which is his flashlight that hardly works.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he has to press the button seventeen times to
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  get it.
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  Speaker 3: To the so he'll be like, look at this. Oh,
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  then it goes look at this uh door hinge.
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  Speaker 2: He How many times did he make a stupid joke
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  or something where he'd be like, boy, if I just
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  would have been in the new flashlight by now, I
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  was all right if this toolton by now. He said
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  that like six times.
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  Speaker 3: It was only funny the first time because then we
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  were like, get that fight fly fight on it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good and it I couldn't stand.
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  Speaker 3: It because okay, Brian, we're knocking on the door, We're
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  knocking on the walls. Lo and behold, secret passageway.
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  Speaker 1: Proceed very narrow stairway like.
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  Speaker 3: Which is actually had like caution tape on it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think if you're handicapped, I don't think you
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  should take this tour. I'm not saying that as a dick.
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  I'm not saying that in a rude way. If you
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  have if you even have trouble walking, or if you're
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  like severely overweight, I wouldn't do the tour. You're gonna
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  kill yourself. That stairwell, that stairwell. My knees hurt looking
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  at that stairwell. I started going down and had to
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  do one stair at a time. It's this windy stairwell
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  and the stairs are like four inches wide, so you've
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  got to put your foot sideways. And it was an
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  old servant's stairwell, so the servants would stand these quarters
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  in the basement, and if somebody knocked on the door,
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  it was a secret passageway up to the front door.
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  But you're in this basement and he's like, well, some
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  pipes run under here and it causes all sorts of
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  humidity and condensation, and then that heats up. You go
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  down there, you can't see shit. It is complete steam everywhere.
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  Can't see your hand in front of your face. Frankly,
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  I don't know what we were breathing in. I think
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  it was hallucinogenics. I'm not gonna lie. Uh, probably some
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  sort of hallucinogenics. It's trying to make you think that
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  the seventeen hour tour you were just on is only
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  five minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody that in HeLa, anybody need any hala?
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  Speaker 4: Anybody here asthmatic?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, moving on? So the tool like, I mean, he
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  just but but let's face it, so so Brian. The
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  next maneuver you and I both agree was really just
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  an excuse for him to leave the room, to to
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  have some more have some more spirits.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that that. You know, I'm starting to think
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  the only spirits that were in the Franklin Castle we're
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  the ones in his bourbon bottle.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that by the end of the tour,
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  all like all any anybody's ideas about what was going
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  on with the castle, all the creepiness was really just
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  coming from him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All the stories were like you get because Brian said
• 23:38
  it all at once, where it was just at all
• 23:40
  hit us. He's like, aren't you real You've got this
• 23:42
  German accent. It's like, are we being led around this
• 23:45
  castle by a ghost right now? Is that what's actually happening?
• 23:48
  And honestly, that was the most interesting idea I had
• 23:50
  the entire time I was there. Was that that, and
• 23:55
  he was leading us around there, and there was going
• 23:57
  to be a twist at the end. I wanted it
• 23:59
  to happen so bad, but really, bus Brian just left.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, we're down there in this freaking misty, dusty basement,
• 24:15
  and he leaves again for another like twenty minutes, and
• 24:20
  he's like, take some photos in this Mira and then
• 24:24
  don't look now, check them later. And it's like, okay,
• 24:29
  but it didn't take twenty minutes for all eight of
• 24:31
  us to take a picture.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but before he slides out, he
• 24:36
  tries to like leave you with something. I don't know
• 24:40
  if this is philosophical or what, but he leaves you
• 24:44
  with unanswered questions. So you'll be down there and they'll
• 24:48
  be like a chair that looks like something you'd see
• 24:53
  on bult garbage day on the side of the road
• 24:58
  and it's all beat up. He's like, dad's a story
• 25:03
  behind this chair, and the story is extremely interesting, and
• 25:11
  I'm not going to tell you what happens. Why. I
• 25:19
  remember him saying that, He's like, the story behind this
• 25:22
  chair will give you chills up and down your spine.
• 25:30
  Am I real I don't know, Bye, that's what he said.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And then you'd say is this place haunted? And he
• 25:38
  would say, how dare you? How dare you even say
• 25:42
  that this place was haunted? And it's like, so the
• 25:47
  whole look at him.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And be like, you do realize each one of us
• 25:50
  paid thirty five dollars because we believe this place is haunted.
• 25:54
  None of us give a flying fuck about Hans Tenamin
• 25:59
  or anybody else. Maybe it's I mean, granted.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: One of the more interesting things he did say, though,
• 26:11
  is that there was a part of the room that's
• 26:14
  like carved out in like a weird ornamental shape, and
• 26:19
  he was like, does anybody know what they use this
• 26:23
  part of the room for? And I was like thinking,
• 26:26
  I don't know, it's kind of awkward. Maybe it was
• 26:28
  like a smoking area or something like that. And then
• 26:31
  he drops the bomb on us that they used to
• 26:34
  prop up dead bodies and drap them up and take
• 26:37
  photographs of them in that and like have full displays of.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: The body, which is something that was common in the
• 26:45
  eighteen hundreds that we.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Learned that was crazy.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's just it. There were some really
• 26:52
  cool things about the house, but we didn't need to
• 26:54
  hear about each one for a half hour or like
• 26:57
  a wallpaper. Yeah, that's basically the bottom line. If it
• 27:02
  like Brian's, if you just want to see a really
• 27:05
  really cool place, go look at this place. You should.
• 27:10
  It's like, it's got a really cool vibe.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you that you could make that place. If
• 27:14
  you did an hour tour of that place with with
• 27:17
  just the good stories and they edited it, it'd be
• 27:20
  one of the best tours in Cleveland, no hands down,
• 27:23
  no question in my mind. Dude.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: If they actually did keep that to an hour tour,
• 27:28
  you would love it, You really would. You would love it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You get you through that whole house in an hour.
• 27:32
  And he's like they propped up the dead people, you know,
• 27:36
  like when somebody died, his daughter died, they had the funeral.
• 27:38
  Here you're standing where that happened.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: People are like that's interesting, Oh that's different. But then
• 27:45
  when you're walking by and then and then you just
• 27:47
  walk right out of there and you go right down,
• 27:49
  He's like, start knocking on the walls. Oh, look, secret passage.
• 27:53
  I don't give a shit. The wood came from a
• 27:57
  game a stand, dude, I don't give a shit. Nobody
• 28:01
  gives a shit in Cleveland where that wood came from
• 28:04
  the only way people care if where the wood comes
• 28:07
  from is if it literally came from Cleveland. And they're like, oh,
• 28:11
  this particular builder in Cleveland, and he said that for
• 28:14
  one part of it. I'm like, that's kind of interesting.
• 28:16
  But once you start getting into where every little thing
• 28:19
  comes from, where every little hinge on the door comes from,
• 28:23
  where every window pane comes from, that's interesting to you
• 28:27
  because you rebuilt the house, which is awesome, and you
• 28:30
  you rebuilt it from original floor plants, and that's something
• 28:33
  you can bring up right then in there and tell
• 28:35
  everybody about. And you worked with the city of Cleveland.
• 28:39
  That stuff can be interesting. Yeah, but the extras, you
• 28:43
  gotta know where to cut yourself off. Give us.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Give us one fact. I like the kind of tour guys.
• 28:48
  And you know, now that I've been on this sort
• 28:50
  of tour where it just went way, way too long,
• 28:53
  I appreciate those kind of tour guides. Now where they're
• 28:55
  kind of dragging you around. And if someone else was
• 28:57
  doing that tour, they'd be like and over there in
• 28:59
  that they actually held funerals back in the eighteen hundreds.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: That was like a thing that they did.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: But anyway, moving on, we got lots to see, like
• 29:08
  that's who you want. You want that person, like, hey,
• 29:11
  you in the back trying to vape moving.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of that scene. There was a scene
• 29:15
  in Gremlins too, I think, and it was a joke
• 29:17
  on people that do like tours in places, and I
• 29:21
  never forgot it and I used to laugh at it.
• 29:23
  But this is truly what this door needed. And it
• 29:26
  would be like, hey, they used to do some funerals
• 29:29
  over there. They'd put some coins over the eyes and
• 29:31
  everybody come and visit. We're moving, we're moving. We're all
• 29:34
  moving together. We're moving. Walk with me. We're moving. We're moving.
• 29:38
  We're moving, We're moving. That's what you need to do
• 29:42
  in that tour.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if the whole group, we're moving, we're moving. Everybody,
• 29:47
  we're moving. Over here, come on, let's go. It's just
• 29:50
  nice and quick and people as long as they're interacting
• 29:54
  with the house and with an individual and they're moving,
• 29:56
  They're gonna be intrigued. They may even walk.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: More, leave them wanting more. Man exactly, that's the name
• 30:06
  of the game.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Speaking of wanting more, myself and our cousin had to
• 30:14
  go to the bathroom and that threw him off because
• 30:17
  he didn't want us to go to the bathroom. And
• 30:19
  he was like, Okay, use, you have to go to
• 30:22
  the bathroom. And then after we got back you Brian
• 30:29
  started telling an actually interesting story that everyone was super
• 30:35
  captivated by and that pissed him off.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: A pin drop into you that story.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Can you tell the story for the listeners tonight, especially
• 30:45
  my listeners who have never heard it before.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, I will, and if and we actually told this
• 30:50
  story on Cleveland twelve podcast, yes, on our Halloween episode,
• 30:58
  and and I'm gonna kind of just give it the gist.
• 31:04
  But there is a cemetery and I wish I could
• 31:06
  remember the name of it, but it's right where seventy
• 31:09
  one and twenty fifth Street meet. It's an old cemetery, okay,
• 31:14
  And on certain nights there is a hitchhiker that hangs
• 31:19
  out outside the cemetery. And this hitchhiker has been seen
• 31:25
  for over the course, like by several people over the
• 31:28
  course of like eighty years, ninety years. There's various tales
• 31:34
  of so many different people in so many different time
• 31:37
  periods and so many different decades picking up this hitchhiker, okay,
• 31:42
  and the hitchhiker is always described the exact same way,
• 31:46
  Victorian era type clothing, very neatly dressed, looks to be
• 31:54
  affluent or wealthy. And you'll get into the vehicle that
• 32:01
  they speak with a thick German accent, and they asked
• 32:05
  to go to a particular house of Franklin Avenue, and
• 32:12
  they will make small talk with whoever is the driver,
• 32:17
  and then when they get dropped off, they will take
• 32:21
  a few steps out of the car and disappear. But
• 32:24
  there was a time in the nineteen eighties I've lived.
• 32:28
  It was nineteen eighty one that an individual picked up
• 32:36
  a hitchhiker there and he was speaking German to the driver,
• 32:45
  and the driver reiterated what he had heard, which I
• 32:50
  can't remember what it was in German, but it translated
• 32:53
  into I need to see my daughter or something along
• 32:58
  those lines. I'm going to see my daughter and gave
• 33:04
  him the address. He shows up, he said I'll be
• 33:07
  right back. And he actually watched this individual get out,
• 33:14
  walk all the way into the house, close the door
• 33:17
  behind him, and he waited for this person to come
• 33:22
  back out because he had said something to him about
• 33:25
  it is the anniversary of my daughter and I need
• 33:30
  to see her. And he's like, man, he has been
• 33:35
  in there forever, and I'm waiting for him to come
• 33:37
  back up. Well, he never comes back out. So this
• 33:40
  guy contacts the police. He thinks something might have happened
• 33:43
  to him, you know, because he went up to the door,
• 33:45
  he's knocking on the door and nobody comes out. He
• 33:48
  ends up calling the police and they end up doing
• 33:51
  this investigation and they come to find out that that
• 33:55
  was the one hundredth anniversary of Hi Tiedeman's daughter's death,
• 34:04
  and he believes it was Hans Tiedeman who was going
• 34:07
  into say his goodbyes to his or on the anniversary
• 34:12
  of his daughter's death to reunite with his daughter for
• 34:16
  a night. But that was a very interesting Cleveland ghost
• 34:20
  story to me, and I told it, and when I
• 34:22
  told it, I said, you know, this is the door
• 34:24
  that he dropped him off to. Right up there, we're
• 34:28
  standing right next to that door now, to be honest
• 34:31
  with everybody, and I don't know. You had kind of
• 34:35
  told me how you felt, but I never really felt
• 34:39
  anything in any of the rooms that we were in,
• 34:43
  never felt a creepy vibe except for one of them.
• 34:45
  But Dave, did you ever have any creepy vibes in
• 34:48
  that house?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Not really? I do want to say though you hearing
• 34:55
  the story you just told standing within the walls of
• 34:59
  that house does definitely give it a different tone and feel.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And it totally pissed our German to a
• 35:07
  guide off.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: He did.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: He wasn't one to have it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to hear it at all, which I
• 35:11
  thought was crazy. But as as far as as far
• 35:14
  as feeling creepy vibes in the house, like, seriously, for me,
• 35:19
  that wasn't going to happen because of my I've got
• 35:23
  I'm obsessive compulsive with time frames. And I even said
• 35:27
  to somebody when we were standing down in that first
• 35:30
  smoky room, it was either you, Julie or Kim, but
• 35:33
  one of you. I was standing there next to and
• 35:35
  I and I literally said, I'm running the numbers here
• 35:38
  and there is no way this is a one hour
• 35:41
  two I said, unless he's unless he's literally gonna walk
• 35:44
  us through that door and say here's a hallway tours over.
• 35:47
  This isn't going to be an hour tour.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: But you know, you told me, and I was kind
• 35:51
  of like at the time, I was like, well, maybe
• 35:53
  it speeds up, Like after we get out of this room,
• 35:56
  he's like taking us up the stairs and then it's
• 35:58
  kind of like over. Then. I would like, as we
• 36:02
  like we left out of the smokey basement, and then
• 36:06
  when he got to the second time where he was
• 36:08
  gathering all of us up and he started clicking his
• 36:11
  fucking flashlight again, I was like, oh, no, it doesn't
• 36:15
  speed up.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't speed up. But as far as creepiness, let's
• 36:19
  move on to the room where Brian said he felt
• 36:22
  his first creepy vibe. That that's where I would say
• 36:25
  probably I did feel some some off puttedness in that
• 36:32
  room where he had the pagan music. It was the
• 36:35
  murder happened.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, I got straight up lightheadedness. Even in that room.
• 36:41
  It was like as soon as you walked into it,
• 36:42
  you kind of felt like, oh, like.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: What is this was a definite denseness to that room
• 36:49
  and sort of like just an uncomfortable feeling. And Brian,
• 36:52
  that's what Brian had said too. He was just like, yeah,
• 36:54
  I you know, he goes, I up. What did you say, Brian?
• 36:57
  You go, I honestly haven't felt one paranormal feeling this
• 37:01
  entire until we've gotten in this room right here.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't I don't bullshit with that stuff. If
• 37:08
  I go to a location and I don't feel anything anywhere,
• 37:12
  that's what I'm gonna say. I don't feel it. I'm
• 37:14
  not feeling it. I'm not scared. I got in there,
• 37:18
  and you know the one thing I will say. And
• 37:21
  I don't know if this played into my psyche at
• 37:23
  that point, but he had made a comment about he
• 37:28
  never feels secure in that room. He doesn't like being
• 37:32
  in that room, he doesn't feel well in that room. Okay,
• 37:35
  he did say that before we entered the room. Then
• 37:39
  we're in the room and he had purposely put some
• 37:44
  things in there that would make you a little creeped out.
• 37:49
  I don't know about you, guys, I don't this is
• 37:52
  gonna sound so bad, but I don't feel like when
• 37:57
  I see particular religious objects placed in certain rooms where
• 38:03
  you know it's not a religious household. But you have
• 38:06
  all these religious I think it's like you're putting up
• 38:11
  a specific vibe. And there was a picture in there, guys,
• 38:16
  of a seductive Jesus. And when I'm talking about seductive Jesus,
• 38:20
  there was something on his face. It was like the
• 38:23
  smirk on his face. I'd never it almost looked like
• 38:26
  one of those goofy pictures of Jesus that you would see.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And it was like a mockery.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: It was as was huge bogynous. It was almost androgynists,
• 38:38
  like like if real Jesus and Freddie Mercury had a baby.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was freaking weird. And then like right behind
• 38:48
  him as he's talking about this room, I got major, major,
• 38:53
  major creeps in that room. But he has like an
• 38:56
  old fashioned record player going and then the record to
• 39:00
  cover sleeve for display and it says pagan festival.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, and that's purposeful. It's purpose all purposeful.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and like I said, so it's a it's
• 39:14
  an interesting thing to Brian's point though, where he goes, hey, man,
• 39:17
  if I'm having a weird feeling, I'll tell you or
• 39:19
  if I'm not. Because within a half power, we were
• 39:27
  in another room and Brian was accusing the guy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Can you beat that because you.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Broke up really bad there.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Your microphone, No, I said, I said, I know Brian
• 39:42
  will be straight up if he's feeling uncomfortable in a
• 39:44
  room or not. Because within a half hour of leaving
• 39:47
  that room, he was accusing the guy of buying his
• 39:49
  artwork at a yard sale in the next room.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I'm straight up said that to him too.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: You freaking call him out. But before we even get
• 40:02
  to that part, I have to say something you guys
• 40:04
  skipped over. Is he said something about like Michelle, somebody
• 40:10
  chamber or someone who had some kind of stock in Yahoo,
• 40:15
  had bought the Franklin Castle before and she had thrown
• 40:20
  some kind of a party. And then after the party,
• 40:23
  some guy broke into the basement and he set the
• 40:26
  Franklin Castle on fire. He was trying to burn out
• 40:31
  the evil spirits. And then immediately after that we went
• 40:35
  into the creepiest fucking room in the whole castle.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that room too, somebody was killed in that room.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They were killing, like murder style murder in that room.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And it was kind of like it was servant quarters
• 40:53
  for a little while. It was a honeymoon suite. It
• 40:55
  was like where the butler stayed, and it was where
• 40:59
  that mache stayed. That she was one of the I
• 41:03
  don't know if I would say founding member of Yahoo,
• 41:07
  but she's like late nineties working at Yahoo, probably one
• 41:11
  of twenty employees. And I'm sure, as you know, Yahoo
• 41:17
  got bigger and bigger during that time, she was, you know,
• 41:20
  falling into a little bit more money. Purchased. The property,
• 41:24
  had a Halloween party and this guy comes to the
• 41:27
  Halloween party and he was invited, Like they invited a
• 41:33
  bunch of people to this Halloween party at the Franklin Castle.
• 41:37
  And everybody knew back then, guys, around the year two thousand,
• 41:41
  the Franklin Castle had the same reputation as it does today.
• 41:44
  Haunted place, one of those haunted locations in Cleveland. We
• 41:48
  all know that, right. And this guy straight up was like,
• 41:53
  I'm going to get rid of this place. It's evil
• 41:56
  and a lot of stuff has happened there. I mean,
• 42:01
  as we're going through the tour, he even the current
• 42:05
  owners talking about like when they were knocking down certain
• 42:07
  parts of the wall, they're finding Nazi artifacts that he
• 42:12
  says he throws away. I mean, even me, you guys.
• 42:17
  I don't. I don't believe in Nazism, but I'd still
• 42:19
  be like, that's kind of fucking cool.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You know, a piece of history that's been buried within
• 42:27
  the house.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's not like you just burn this stuff
• 42:30
  or whatever. You're like, this stuff's interesting because it's a
• 42:33
  part of history. But anyway, that's just me personally, because
• 42:45
  you know, all regimes and and and people in history
• 42:48
  have done horrible things. So it's just like, I don't mean,
• 42:52
  where do you morally draw the line.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's if you dug up a time capsule
• 42:57
  that you had no idea that was there, you know
• 42:59
  what I mean, two hundred years from now and it
• 43:02
  just happened to be all full of Nazi shit. Yeah,
• 43:07
  mega interesting. And that's like, you know what I mean,
• 43:10
  that's just the thing. It's the history of someone put
• 43:12
  it there. They threw it in there. Okay, they were
• 43:14
  crazy people, but still they left a big thing. Let's
• 43:17
  look at it. Same kind of deal with that castle.
• 43:20
  You go in there and you say to yourself. And
• 43:22
  I thought that the tour guy actually made an interesting
• 43:25
  point where he said certain things they don't they don't
• 43:28
  digging to find things within the walls, because the way
• 43:31
  he put it was he says, these things need to
• 43:33
  be discovered as they're meant to be discovered. And I
• 43:36
  thought that was kind of a good anecdote, you know
• 43:39
  about like a house mm hmm.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the house definitely has some history, and we
• 43:45
  can get into some of that at the end, you know,
• 43:48
  after we're done talking about the tour, we've talked about
• 43:51
  some of the real history. But it was it was
• 43:54
  I mean, that kind of stuff is interesting, and those
• 43:57
  little snippets I think would be interesting to anybody, like, yeah,
• 44:02
  what he found there? What is there?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Well for Julie though, like your your audience, especially when
• 44:11
  you really do think about that that guy was invited
• 44:14
  to the party. Okay, he must have been a fairly
• 44:18
  normal person if you're being invited to a party like that,
• 44:21
  right to a person who's healthy and has the kind
• 44:24
  of money to buy that place or whatever, and for
• 44:27
  you to kind of be convinced in the short time
• 44:29
  you're in that house at a party that the place
• 44:31
  is evil. It kind of makes you wonder what his
• 44:33
  experience was. And I think I'm right now having a
• 44:36
  really cool idea for a screenplay.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: What's the screenplay.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Well, think about it. You get invited to this Franklin
• 44:45
  Castle place, and it's just the crazy experience this guy
• 44:49
  has that leads him to burn it down at the end,
• 44:51
  and by the end of the movie you have to
• 44:53
  be agreeing with him that the place needs to be burned.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by his perspective, if you don't know what a
• 45:00
  person's perspective is, you know, is he more in tune
• 45:06
  with certain things than other people are, right, something whispering
• 45:11
  to him.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Like the Amityville House, Like he got in there and
• 45:15
  then like he was shiny, yeah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Shiny, shining talking to them that other people are like,
• 45:24
  you're crazy now, and then he's.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Like, this place has got to go.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Some people are really in tune with weird stuff like that. Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: That's why I think for me it makes for such
• 45:36
  a great movie type story because anything could have happened
• 45:40
  to him. We don't know. It could have been it
• 45:42
  could have been fourteen oh eight up in there for
• 45:45
  an hour, you know what, Like he just came out
• 45:47
  and was like, this place got a fucking burn, you know.
• 45:51
  But that to me is the interesting part of that
• 45:53
  guy just needing to burn the place because listen, I've
• 45:57
  had weird thoughts where I was like, this place creeps
• 45:59
  me out. Never been enough to make me actually go
• 46:02
  back and sneak in and burn a place down.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And you know what they said, it burnt for two
• 46:08
  hours straight and it's still standing.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well we know there's wood particles everywhere. We
• 46:16
  saw them at.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Way wo wo whoa wah. Don't even tell that story yet, Brian.
• 46:22
  What happens after we get out of the creepy.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Room, Well, this is where things start to get fuzzy
• 46:29
  for me, because the only things I started thinking about
• 46:32
  was eating food and leaving. Yes, but once we left
• 46:36
  that room, so so to put things in perspective, guys,
• 46:40
  it sounds like, oh, hey, I would have you know,
• 46:42
  you got some extra time in the house. That's great.
• 46:46
  Show up at five forty five. You're like, you know what,
• 46:49
  let's make plans to have dinner after we leave. This
• 46:52
  is a one hour tour, will be out at seven.
• 46:55
  There's plenty of restaurants that I want to eat at
• 46:57
  in Ohio City, which was one hundred percent our playing. Okay,
• 47:05
  everybody went there not eating dinner because we believed a
• 47:12
  one hour tour meant one hour tour.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Sixty minutes.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: We were on our one and a half almost two hours.
• 47:22
  We're probably on hour two when we left that room
• 47:26
  that I'm talking about where the murder had occurred, where
• 47:29
  sexual Jesus is shown, where you know, we all had
• 47:34
  a creepy feeling, and pagan records are being played, which,
• 47:38
  by the way, you go, well, how many records could
• 47:40
  be at this guy's disposal. Let me tell you, well,
• 47:44
  over five thousand to ten thousand records are sitting in
• 47:47
  the Franklin Castle right now. Look it up. A record
• 47:50
  company bought out some of the rooms up there, and
• 47:54
  they have thousands upon thousands of records. He could have chose, Yes,
• 47:59
  pagan fest is what plays, and that's on purpose. Let's
• 48:03
  not mistake him.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Pagan Festival.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: So we leave that room and we go upstairs now,
• 48:13
  and you're kind of backwards at this point, you're like
• 48:17
  in this labyrinth. You kind of lose track of where
• 48:20
  you're at. And he shows an office and goes into
• 48:24
  where you know, this is a small office and people
• 48:28
  didn't have offices back then, and blah blah blah blah blah,
• 48:31
  you got this office. And then he talks about offices downtown.
• 48:35
  Then he talks about offices in the house, and you're like,
• 48:39
  you're trying to keep trap, like you think I'm going
• 48:41
  in circles. You be in the house listening to him.
• 48:46
  You're like, where is he going with this house is downtown?
• 48:49
  So next thing you know, and then I don't know
• 48:52
  where he's like and that is how key Banks started downtown.
• 48:57
  And you're like, well, I still don't know how it
• 48:59
  started because I don't know when you started, what you're
• 49:03
  talking about, and when you ended. And all I know
• 49:05
  is that my stomach is growling and blah blah blah
• 49:09
  blah blah. So finally we go into this he dramatically
• 49:16
  opens this wall and there's a bedroom there and I'm
• 49:21
  sitting there and I'm finally like, oh, this is pretty cool.
• 49:24
  I pull out my phone. You guys, I hadn't taken
• 49:27
  one f and picture the whole time. Everybody else had
• 49:30
  had seventeen hours of footage. Yep. I pulled my phone
• 49:35
  out for five seconds, and he goes, we do not
• 49:37
  take pictures. Yeah, I can kill no fold up.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I snuck every single video that I had on my phone.
• 49:51
  I snuck it, like while you guys were going up
• 49:54
  with the tour. I hung back and I waited till
• 49:57
  he wasn't looking, and I like panned my phone around
• 50:00
  the room and that's the way. And I had somebody
• 50:03
  comment on that video I made in there, like, oh,
• 50:05
  it looks like you guys had a really cool tour,
• 50:07
  and I was like, dude, I snuck all of those
• 50:10
  fucking photos and videos I snuck around. They wouldn't even
• 50:14
  let you take any videos.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: That's true, dude.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I will also say they've done a really good job
• 50:21
  of that over the years, I guess, because like if
• 50:24
  you go on dude, for any place that's like a
• 50:28
  notoriously haunted place like the Franklin Castle, is you if
• 50:32
  you go on YouTube or any of these places, there's
• 50:36
  just gonna be hundreds of documentaries about it, right, Like
• 50:40
  you could just go right on there the Middlefield Penitentiary
• 50:43
  or these places, you know what I mean, or whatever
• 50:45
  like that. And it's like, for some reason, there's almost
• 50:48
  nothing about Franklin Castle that's worth even remotely looking at, right,
• 50:54
  but he needs to do like a killer documentary about
• 50:57
  Franklin isn't one right now?
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: There is? That is true? There is a whole Wikipedia
• 51:07
  page though.
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but people like visual like like being in the video,
• 51:15
  like looking around and like hearing someone narrating, like this
• 51:19
  is this and this is this.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: There isn't anything like that for Franklin Castle.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I know that this is where this happened, and this
• 51:27
  is where this happened, and this is what story happened.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Basically, give you the tour that we were looking to
• 51:33
  have before we got fucking full bledged Gilligan's Island up
• 51:37
  in there. You know, no shit turn into a three
• 51:41
  hour tour.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: This is the same room though, where he asked our
• 51:46
  cousin Brittany. He was like, what time is it? And
• 51:49
  she was like, it's eight forty five and he was like,
• 51:53
  is everyone going on time?
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: Now?
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Time?
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Okay? Moving on, And dude, I told you from the
• 52:01
  minute we were in the smoky room in the basement,
• 52:03
  my PTSD was just full kicked in that we were
• 52:06
  off schedule. I cannot stand to be on that tubes.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: You guys, this is the thing that bothers me. You're
• 52:12
  doing tours for people. I understand you're extremely into your
• 52:17
  craft and you're remodeling and you want to tell everybody
• 52:20
  about it because it's like telling somebody about your art
• 52:23
  and you think, oh, I've got all these great listeners
• 52:25
  to that are so interested in my artwork. The reality
• 52:30
  is none of us are interested in your in your artwork.
• 52:32
  That sucks for me to say that. I mean, I
• 52:35
  am a little bit. Maybe you know enough for you
• 52:38
  to tell me how you did this, that and the
• 52:40
  other thing, but intricate details. No, everybody's there to hear
• 52:44
  ghost stories, stories about the house, history of the house,
• 52:48
  what happened where, Yeah, blah blah blah blah blah. That's it. Hey.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Basically, what you're saying is it would have been just
• 52:55
  as fun and interesting had we been in the burnt
• 52:58
  out Franklin Castle hearing those stories. Now, granted, I love
• 53:03
  that they're restoring the place, and I think it's really cool.
• 53:06
  I'm so glad they're doing that work, you know what
• 53:08
  I mean. But for the point of what we were
• 53:11
  going for, it very well could have just been a
• 53:13
  burnt out building and we could have just been pointing
• 53:16
  at things and saying, that's where a body was, that's
• 53:18
  where this was, that's where that was, and it would
• 53:20
  have been just as good for us, because you could
• 53:23
  not better, if not better, if not better because you
• 53:26
  could use your imagination for the whole thing, and you're
• 53:28
  not looking at weird wallpaper that he made himself, which,
• 53:31
  by the way, why do you care about wallpaper that
• 53:33
  isn't original to the house. That's what we're trying to
• 53:36
  talk about. And like, you know, it's good have it
• 53:41
  there because it sets a mood and a tone, But
• 53:43
  don't then go on and tell a big story about
• 53:45
  how you made it. No one cares, right, Yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: And it was like this room too, and he totally
• 53:52
  blew his chance of making it super creepy because after
• 53:56
  we went from the bedroom into the little parlor area. Uh,
• 54:00
  he vaguely mentioned that this is the room where everyone
• 54:04
  sees the woman in black standing in the window from outside.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I was standing right there, and guys, by that time,
• 54:13
  I couldn't have given a shit less. She could have
• 54:16
  been standing behind me and I would have been like,
• 54:18
  are you ready to go to let's.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: He did say though, that he saw the woman in
• 54:25
  black ones in that room.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, he did.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Him and two of the other owners are the only
• 54:30
  three people to ever have seen her.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: That's what he said. That's what he said. Yeah, And
• 54:37
  again his credibility wanes, but you know. Uh, here's here's
• 54:42
  what I find funny too, and maybe you guys will
• 54:44
  agree with this. We spent so much freaking time in
• 54:48
  those first like three rooms, the stairway and the firt
• 54:51
  you know what I mean whatever, that by the time
• 54:53
  you really did start getting to some really cool, interesting rooms,
• 54:58
  we were just kind of flying through.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that is true though.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: So like this bedroom that we were in with like
• 55:06
  the little parlor, when we went through this like closet
• 55:11
  thing into the sitting room that led to like this
• 55:14
  other thing and then we circle back around. I looked
• 55:17
  at one of the bookshelves and he had this like
• 55:19
  little stone thing. It was a completely empty bookshelf, but
• 55:23
  he had like five stones in a circle and then
• 55:27
  like a big stone in the middle, and I was like, this, dude,
• 55:30
  I almost feel like they're kind of like trying to
• 55:33
  channel stuff in because I looked online and that's the
• 55:37
  bedroom that they rent out for like an airbnb thing.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the those marble bathrooms are just amazing. Ok,
• 55:48
  probably one of the prettiest bathrooms I've ever been into
• 55:51
  my life. And I have a thing for bathroom so
• 55:53
  I don't know, like I love the bathrooms from the shining.
• 55:56
  I think those are like the greatest room and like,
• 55:59
  so that bathroom sort of reminded me of that. It
• 56:02
  had like a theme and cool colors and just it was.
• 56:05
  It was awesome in that room. And I think Brian
• 56:08
  asked someone if they actually shower in there? Did you?
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: He did, Of course I did. Yeah, of course I did.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: He's like, I've never showered in here, but people have,
• 56:18
  And I was like, I really would love to shower
• 56:20
  in this shower, dude.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: It was one of those like old claw foot tubs. Oh,
• 56:26
  like beautiful, just going right after we look around the
• 56:29
  bedroom and we see the bathroom. He didn't risks all
• 56:33
  of our lives by showing us a hidden passageway that's
• 56:38
  really just us scaling the side of the house.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to crawl out a window and onto
• 56:44
  this little trellis I guess you'd call it. That's just
• 56:47
  real tiny, and you had to super.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Tiny and no railing on the side.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Of the house, shimmy into the shimmy into the other window,
• 56:55
  where he kept on making the joke that if you
• 56:57
  wanted to.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: You know, read the book, you wanted to take off
• 57:04
  all your clothes and oil up your body and read
• 57:07
  on frying.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: What was so strange about this to me, though, is
• 57:12
  if you are a human being, he doesn't really want
• 57:16
  you to be on the tour because if you get hungry,
• 57:20
  he doesn't like it. If you have to go to
• 57:22
  the bathroom, he doesn't angry. And if you have to
• 57:25
  leave after three hours of a one hour tour, he
• 57:30
  doesn't like it. It's just like you exist for him
• 57:34
  to do his fucking bulls. If you're not willing to
• 57:42
  do that, if you're not willing to submit to his
• 57:48
  complete dominance of time and space, then you don't belong
• 57:54
  on that tour. So for that, I I was picking
• 57:59
  up that very very early on. And I'm not gonna
• 58:06
  say I'm a passive, aggressive dick. I can just kind
• 58:10
  of start to become a dick. And he started trying
• 58:15
  to talk about this picture he got of a grandmother
• 58:20
  or a caretaker that had been on the property. Now, guys,
• 58:24
  twenty minutes before this, he's telling everybody how that place
• 58:28
  was just under flame for two hours straight. We had
• 58:34
  just and right outside that door, there's a charred doorway.
• 58:40
  And he goes, and I have this portrait of so
• 58:43
  and so and this is her and she lived in
• 58:46
  the house from blah blah blah blah blah, and she
• 58:48
  was took care of the kids. And here's a painting
• 58:51
  from it. And I'm like, where did you get them?
• 58:55
  Where'd you get this photo? Where'd you get this painting?
• 58:59
  Where did that? Well, it came with the house. I'm
• 59:02
  sitting there thinking where where was it?
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: He became with the name.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: It came with the house. And you're like, what you
• 59:14
  just got done talking about how there's been seventeen different owners.
• 59:18
  If the house doesn't like the owner, they're kicked out
• 59:20
  after two years, several renovations and a two hour fire. Yeah,
• 59:26
  but you pulled this picture out of Grandma Betty out
• 59:32
  of some closet somewhere where it was protected, and.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: This it was Grandma Tetaman.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, But I asked where he got it from.
• 59:50
  His eyes got so big. I don't know if he'll
• 59:53
  ever tell people he got those that those are real
• 59:56
  people again, Because you got that stuff in the flame market.
• 1:00:02
  That's an old photograph. Put it up. I'll tell them
• 1:00:05
  that somebody for the cosmic Peach.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Fans, for the cosmic Peach fans out there, it's kind
• 1:00:12
  of like them finding the terrorists passports and pristine condition
• 1:00:16
  laying on the road after not.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: To post. When they have these paintings, I have to
• 1:00:30
  on them.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Everybody that has listened to my past episodes on your
• 1:00:35
  on your podcast, they're gonna know I'm skeptical, Brian. Right,
• 1:00:40
  I'm going to ask all the questions. Oh, you got
• 1:00:44
  so quiet out and he got so quiet, looks like
• 1:00:47
  you just got it was how quiet he got.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: That was the only answer you needed when he was
• 1:00:52
  just like, it came came with the house.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: And fat dude, I'm gonna tell you guys something. This
• 1:01:01
  dude could tell you where every spec of paint came
• 1:01:04
  from in that house, but he couldn't tell me where
• 1:01:08
  they found those pictures and paintings. That there was no
• 1:01:13
  story behind it. Whatso I was waiting for him to
• 1:01:16
  be like, we knocked down the wall and behind the
• 1:01:20
  wall was the treasures of you know, But no, there
• 1:01:25
  was no treasure story. There was no knockdown. No, it
• 1:01:28
  just came with the house.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're like where He's like, don't listen to the
• 1:01:33
  angry white guy anyway. It's a two degree temperature. Oh
• 1:01:38
  my god, I'll.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Tell you why you're wrong. One American, two white, three privileged,
• 1:01:47
  fall you're ugly, five.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Privileged again white American.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Now shut up?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Two degree temperature dropping this right.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Right after you called him out on that, and like
• 1:02:13
  it got really silent, and he was like it just
• 1:02:15
  came with the house. And then he moved us into
• 1:02:18
  this tiny closet, like all twelve of us, and then
• 1:02:21
  it smelled like fucking parts in there. He was going
• 1:02:24
  on and on, and my brother tells it the best.
• 1:02:28
  He got stuck on a word and he was like,
• 1:02:32
  I translate everything in my mind from Jeb into English,
• 1:02:36
  so sometimes I get I get caught up. Oh yeah,
• 1:02:40
  he got got he got caught on this word. And
• 1:02:43
  the way you tell this is perfect. Just take it.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: He would just stop for so long and then like
• 1:02:52
  where most people would just give up and pick a
• 1:02:54
  different word, he just wouldn't. And he'd just be like, you.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: Know, and I took one of these things that that
• 1:03:00
  you pull, you know, with the with the tongs, and
• 1:03:03
  it has like you.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Know what those you know, the fuck a fuck Like
• 1:03:18
  again again, we're all in a giant hurry right at
• 1:03:22
  this point, like parts in there, It sounds like parts
• 1:03:25
  in here, again, he's taking all that time to explain
• 1:03:29
  wallpaper that has nothing to do with the house, nothing, nothing.
• 1:03:34
  You put it up at McDonald's and it would be
• 1:03:36
  exactly the same effect. There was nothing to do, and
• 1:03:40
  he's just just stretching it out, stretching it out, and I.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Mean, well, the one when he stretched one of the
• 1:03:50
  things out, I knew. I'm like, is this just an act?
• 1:03:53
  At this point, because he was like, what is the world?
• 1:03:57
  I need someone, but I cannot think of these American
• 1:04:06
  words for this what it is? Oh, volunteer. I'm like,
• 1:04:13
  you have been freaking tours a day and you can't
• 1:04:20
  remember the word volunteer. You ask for two volunteers through
• 1:04:24
  the whole dour.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Words like volunteer. But he's just like cruising through words
• 1:04:34
  like dark matter, yeah, fer dropages and all of fluctuations
• 1:04:42
  in spiritual gratitudes. And he's like, and then.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: What's the American words for I don't know?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Hot dog?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, that's the word you're got up.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. So we move out of that room,
• 1:05:04
  we go into this I don't know, it's like a
• 1:05:07
  study or something, and he's going on another tirade, and
• 1:05:13
  your phone goes off and it's like.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Good, good, well, mind you. I was already so angry,
• 1:05:25
  and for reasons I'm not even going to get into.
• 1:05:28
  I had a phone that wasn't even my normal phone,
• 1:05:34
  and I had no idea how to turn ringers off,
• 1:05:37
  turn it down, turn nothing, okay, And in fairness, my
• 1:05:42
  phone had leaped the entire time. And you guys know
• 1:05:46
  what you know about me in my life. Think about
• 1:05:49
  my phone not beeping for a full two hours. Just think,
• 1:05:53
  I mean, think about, like, that's so ran, I can't
• 1:05:56
  believe it even happened. And then we're up there, we've
• 1:05:59
  been up there for that long. My phone beeps one
• 1:06:01
  time and he stops the whole tour.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: It was like a movie.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: When I looked from my phone, every it was like
• 1:06:07
  a wall of people were just standing there staring at
• 1:06:09
  me like this, including him, and he's just got this
• 1:06:13
  look on his face, like how dare you look at
• 1:06:15
  your phone during this tour? And all I could think
• 1:06:18
  of to say in the moment was I've been here
• 1:06:21
  three hours. I have a life, keep going. And that's
• 1:06:27
  just all I said.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: It just was right right after that happened, because I
• 1:06:31
  had heard Jaden and Brittany talking and they're like, oh,
• 1:06:36
  I'm so hungry. We didn't eat anything. You know, it's
• 1:06:41
  like eight forty at this point.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: It's after that, it's like after nine almost well.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: It couldn't close the restaurant before they closed the kitchen
• 1:06:51
  at nine. Okay, that's how that's how I'm figuring this out.
• 1:06:56
  But I looked at Dave and everybody else. I said,
• 1:07:00
  when we get back into where I know how to
• 1:07:04
  get the hell out of here, because right now we
• 1:07:07
  were in some kind of labyrinth. I was lost. I said,
• 1:07:11
  I'm telling him I have to leave. I don't care, Yes,
• 1:07:15
  what he's going to try to talk about, I don't
• 1:07:17
  care what he's going to try to show me. I
• 1:07:20
  don't care. I seriously did not care. He could have
• 1:07:23
  showed me the roswell fucking aliens. I would have been
• 1:07:28
  out of there. I would not have given him five
• 1:07:31
  minutes of my time. I was so hungry. So we
• 1:07:35
  find we go, but we go to one more room
• 1:07:39
  after this because this that he called you out in
• 1:07:41
  the kids reading room, which, by the way, by the
• 1:07:45
  time I was there, I was like, I don't care
• 1:07:47
  about any of this. I don't care about this reading room.
• 1:07:51
  I don't care anything about in my mind, anything he
• 1:07:53
  would have said about that reading room. I just did
• 1:07:55
  not care.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: He was like a child guied in this room. I
• 1:08:00
  was like, what boredom?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Well he's talking to somebody was like, there's no electricity
• 1:08:09
  in here. I'm like, there's lamps plugged in everywhere. There's
• 1:08:12
  a light above my head. I'm ready to go.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: So there's air purifier right behind you, dude, right now.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: So he's like, okay, we're walking. We're gonna go upstairs.
• 1:08:28
  So we go upstairs.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, well, Brian slay your role. We stopped by
• 1:08:33
  a doorway before we went up stairs.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, who.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Wants to tell it?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you get Julie. You tell the doorway story.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: You asked, I'll tell the doorway story. He goes, we
• 1:08:51
  left this doorway intact from the fire, and it's this
• 1:08:56
  charcoal looking doorway, and he goes, I need a volunteer.
• 1:09:03
  He remembered it that time.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: He pulls my thirteen year old cousin and he goes, okay,
• 1:09:13
  I'm gonna take your hand, and he runs her hand
• 1:09:17
  down this charcoal doorway and he pulls out his stupid
• 1:09:21
  fucking flimsy ass flashlight and he's like trying to click
• 1:09:25
  it on to show everybody the soot on her hand.
• 1:09:29
  And he shows everybody and they're like, oh, yeah, we
• 1:09:32
  kind of figured. And he does it again. He pulls
• 1:09:36
  her sleeve up over her hand and runs it across
• 1:09:40
  the doorway again. It's black and just little bits and
• 1:09:47
  pieces are falling off of her sleeve. And then he
• 1:09:49
  clicks his flashlight on again. He goes, looka and then
• 1:09:53
  he looks at Brittany and he goes, you'll have a washut,
• 1:09:56
  right mom, And it's like, you're just destroyed her sweater.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Dude, like, look at the magic. This is the magic
• 1:10:07
  of the house.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: His own hand, his hand.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Over it, starts digging with his flashlight again, clicking it,
• 1:10:17
  clicking it, clicking it. He's like, look at all these
• 1:10:20
  posticles in the air. And I'm like that I'm breathing.
• 1:10:25
  It's graph fight dust. It's burnt, charred. I work in construction.
• 1:10:30
  I'd be wearing a mask right now.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: He's almost like flicking it up into the air, and
• 1:10:37
  he's flicking it up.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Graph fight particle dust. He's flinging all in the end.
• 1:10:42
  He's that's the magic of the house. I'm like, there's
• 1:10:46
  there's nothing magical about that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, there's.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely zero magic in that.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: You have now, brother, they're literally more asbestos than magic
• 1:10:56
  in that. In what uh.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: As you literally said, you were like, I was just
• 1:11:02
  waiting for him next ago, like and blow something in
• 1:11:06
  somebody's face and go.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: That's Espestos the hundred years old and haunted.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: The woman in a black dress now lives inside you.
• 1:11:23
  She now lives inside all of you. You're all haunted.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: Now you'll be dead within seventeen years, probably of a
• 1:11:31
  rare form of cancer.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: But it's also haunted.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: What's that word again, that American word, missor diliomain.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: It was well, listen, poor JJ. Just just to say this.
• 1:11:54
  JJ's the one who had her hand pulled all over
• 1:11:57
  the sooty door. She had already used the word angry
• 1:12:01
  one time while we were in the steam room, so
• 1:12:07
  imagine how she was feeling by the time we were
• 1:12:09
  rubbing her hand through the soood on the door.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, she was so over it. Bless her heart.
• 1:12:14
  But that's Brian. When we went up that last flight
• 1:12:17
  of stairs and you had a meltdown.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a meltdown internally before we got up.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: There, but I was like.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: After we got up trying to do this. But once
• 1:12:33
  I you know, I'm the kind of person it's like,
• 1:12:35
  once I realized that this guy had zero respect for
• 1:12:39
  my time, I now had zero's respect for his time,
• 1:12:44
  zero respect for his tour, zero respect for anything. And
• 1:12:48
  that's not a knock on him as a human being.
• 1:12:51
  It's just an observation of truth. So I we get
• 1:12:57
  up to this top floor. Now, guys, this top floor
• 1:13:01
  was different than the entire rest of the house. It
• 1:13:05
  looked like something that like somebody had been up there
• 1:13:08
  collecting I don't know, antiques, but specific antiques. And what
• 1:13:14
  I did notice that was interesting to me. And this
• 1:13:18
  is again speculation, but there was a lot of occult
• 1:13:22
  artifacts something, Yes, things like the Illuminati eye three eyes
• 1:13:30
  and I don't know if that's Pagan. I'm not into symbology,
• 1:13:34
  so I don't know if that's even a thing.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Not of like Tryang with the one eye in the middle,
• 1:13:40
  and like weird Persian and Moroccan type of artifacts. It
• 1:13:44
  was fucking weird. And this is what he called was
• 1:13:48
  the ballroom.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a camera up there there was extremely
• 1:13:54
  thick walls, and the windows had to be put deep
• 1:13:58
  inside because the walls were so thick. It was just
• 1:14:03
  so weird. And they were doing some sort of filming
• 1:14:08
  up there.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: And uh, there was a huge bathtub in the window.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just all things.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: There was a bathroom up there. There was a really
• 1:14:18
  great view of the lake though, of all things, you
• 1:14:20
  could see the lake from the top of the Franklin Castle,
• 1:14:23
  which I thought was kind of cool.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't notice that.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: You were too busy having a meltdown.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You by that point you were just ready to
• 1:14:31
  get out of there. And I have I have to
• 1:14:33
  say we all were, definitely. But here's here's what's funny. Man.
• 1:14:38
  Think about this guy's loose friendship with Tom Okay and
• 1:14:44
  what time means to him. So an hour tour, right,
• 1:14:48
  that's what we were supposed to take. When we got
• 1:14:51
  there and we started realizing, he goes, now, listen, this
• 1:14:54
  is not going to be probably an hour tour. It
• 1:14:56
  usually goes too okay. So now thinking, all right, fair enough,
• 1:15:01
  it's gonna be two. But when you get to the
• 1:15:03
  two hour market, you realize it's not over yet. That's
• 1:15:06
  when you start getting angry. Right, So now the top
• 1:15:09
  we're we're moving closer to three hours, okay, And and
• 1:15:13
  Brian has he's the one that loses it first enough
• 1:15:17
  to where he can he's finally sensed I'm getting out
• 1:15:20
  of here, because the guy says, now, let's go down
• 1:15:23
  and we want to see the back of the castle.
• 1:15:26
  We're gonna go outside into the backyard and I'm gonna
• 1:15:29
  show you some things about the back of the castle,
• 1:15:31
  right and again and that cottage house. And I know
• 1:15:36
  full well. Brian's like me, there's gonna be some interesting things.
• 1:15:40
  And we really wanted to do this tour. We like
• 1:15:43
  historical things, we like all that, so honestly everything in
• 1:15:46
  us would love to see the back of this castle, right.
• 1:15:49
  And Brian's just like, sorry.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving. Uh. And when I'm getting down at.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: The bottom, I get near that front door, I'm just
• 1:15:57
  gonna be going. I hope that's okay, and like, and
• 1:16:00
  so we start making our way down there, okay, down
• 1:16:02
  towards the front door, and this guy gets desperate. This
• 1:16:05
  tour guy gets desperate, and he starts talking to Brian.
• 1:16:07
  He starts negotiating with him, trying to get him to
• 1:16:09
  stay right, and he's like, but to back the castle
• 1:16:13
  is really cool. You're going miss it, you know what
• 1:16:17
  I mean? And Brian's like, I don't care, I'm leaving
• 1:16:19
  and like and he goes. And then finally, Brian, trying
• 1:16:23
  to be a super nice guy, turns around and says, okay, man,
• 1:16:27
  how long how long to see the back of the castle.
• 1:16:30
  And the guy's like five minutes, five minutes, And Brian's like,
• 1:16:35
  all right, fine, if five minutes, is it gonna be
• 1:16:38
  five minutes? And then and then you can tell Brian
• 1:16:40
  even thought to himself, wait a minute, this guy has
• 1:16:42
  a weird way with time. And he goes, is, dude,
• 1:16:45
  is it really gonna be five minutes? And I am
• 1:16:48
  not kidding when I say this. The guy pauses and
• 1:16:51
  he goes, maybe fifty minutes, and Brian just in face
• 1:17:01
  ran out the front door as fast a crap about
• 1:17:06
  the back of this castle.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: He said, maybe fifty minutes, and we all started running.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: You guys know what fifty minutes really meant? That meant
• 1:17:20
  two more hours.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, And dude, think about that.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: He moved it up ten times, he said five minutes,
• 1:17:27
  and then that quickie was like ten times that ten times,
• 1:17:32
  like I mean just and maybe that was the wild
• 1:17:35
  turkey talking. I don't know, but at that point we
• 1:17:40
  knew whether this is a ghost or not, or if
• 1:17:43
  Hans Stedeman's here or not, or the black woman in
• 1:17:46
  black we're out of here.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: We took the lead. We ran down the stairs first,
• 1:17:51
  and we were trying to find our way back out,
• 1:17:53
  and then we broke off into that first room where
• 1:17:56
  we came in, and we were all looking around like
• 1:17:58
  is it? What the fuck are we? And he was
• 1:18:01
  like through that doll, through that doll, and then we
• 1:18:04
  just like scrambled out you know what followed us.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: It bothered me because I that that didn't just bother me.
• 1:18:14
  It bothered me when I said goodbye, it was nice
• 1:18:16
  meeting everybody, it was a great tour, and he didn't
• 1:18:19
  say shit, mm hmmm back yeah. And I'm gonna say
• 1:18:24
  the reason why that bothered me is because how are
• 1:18:30
  you so ignorant to other people's time? How are you
• 1:18:34
  so ignorant to that? How how can you not say
• 1:18:39
  thank you for coming on this tour? You know, please
• 1:18:42
  come again another time and I'll be able to show
• 1:18:45
  you the back of that something.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: He didn't even try to sell us a T shirt.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have bought one.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: You don't know if they have merch. I don't think
• 1:18:56
  he's thought of that.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: No, because no, you know what the merch would be
• 1:19:02
  his own personal artwork shirts made out of the wallpaper.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that, which he kept calling
• 1:19:09
  oriental wallpaper, and I was gonna be like, that's what
• 1:19:14
  his shirt would be. It would just be like a
• 1:19:16
  beat shirt, you know, like a freaking Hawaiian shirt of
• 1:19:20
  the wallpaper that he made.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would say Franklin Castle, Home the World's greatest
• 1:19:25
  art collection.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would the T shirts, the T shirts he
• 1:19:32
  would make or won, the sculpt the sculpture that has
• 1:19:35
  light that goes through it from the one bathroom, the
• 1:19:38
  oriental wallpaper quote from him, and probably a picture of
• 1:19:43
  the steam in the basement. That would be the three
• 1:19:46
  T shirts.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Or the creepy cherry won't tell anybody about.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Or a bumper sticker that says the Franklin Castle, It's
• 1:19:54
  not haunted.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Frankly Castle, America's least on his house.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. There were a few pictures I took
• 1:20:08
  though that looked creepy U assholes.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that's what he would say. He would say,
• 1:20:16
  then he would tell you that he had that. He
• 1:20:17
  had a fifteen minute conversation with with the wallpaper, Yeah,
• 1:20:22
  and then responded to him.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: He said something about like he puts stuff places and
• 1:20:27
  goes back and tries to find it and it's not
• 1:20:30
  there anymore, which I mean that's like a haunting kind
• 1:20:33
  of thing, but he didn't say it in a creepy way.
• 1:20:36
  He was just like, maybe I misplaced it, and it's like,
• 1:20:41
  that's that fucking just leave it out.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Then, Well, there's a fine line between the paranormal and alcoholism. Uh,
• 1:20:49
  but I can that. Uh, He's he's dancing on that line.
• 1:20:54
  He's he's found the door to the next dimension.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: But no, for guys, there was parts of that house
• 1:21:02
  that were creepy. And I have a picture where I'm
• 1:21:04
  sitting in that little chair and it looks like there's
• 1:21:07
  like some misty thing like behind the chair. Did you
• 1:21:10
  see that?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Yes? I did, actually and thought that was kind of
• 1:21:14
  interesting mm hm.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: And then Kim has a weird picture where her phone
• 1:21:19
  just went off randomly and it's like some kind of
• 1:21:22
  a red swirl looking thing. Did you guys see that? One?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that one.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was weird.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I listen. I think I think because remember
• 1:21:36
  he asked a question at one point and he goes,
• 1:21:38
  what do you guys think haunting is a haunted house is?
• 1:21:42
  And I was the one that said, I think it's energy,
• 1:21:45
  and then he went off on the energy yes, and
• 1:21:48
  then he was on the energy tangent. So I guess
• 1:21:50
  I said the right thing. But I do believe in that,
• 1:21:53
  Like I don't think you need to believe in ghosts
• 1:21:56
  in the sense of it's a Civil War soldier all
• 1:21:59
  the time to believe that strange things happen because of
• 1:22:03
  trapped energy, you know what I mean to some degree.
• 1:22:07
  And I think like crazy things or weird events can
• 1:22:10
  trap energy like that, and that's why you tend to
• 1:22:13
  run into it. Although I will say I say this
• 1:22:16
  all the time about hauntings, I never understand why I
• 1:22:19
  why are all ghosts from the eighteen hundreds.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: Because they were real fucking miserable in the eighteen hundreds.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I know that they've come back to
• 1:22:30
  experience air conditioning and star wars in HG. So you
• 1:22:40
  could tell Youbachu's wearing a mask.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, you guys. You know what's funny though,
• 1:22:48
  when we went in that bedroom right before Brian got
• 1:22:52
  yelled at for using his phone, he was like, no
• 1:22:54
  photography in this bedroom. And this is where we found
• 1:22:58
  the bones. We found bones, a small PILs. We think
• 1:23:03
  it's a child pelvis.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: And baby bones.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he like just cut to the next topic. He
• 1:23:11
  didn't really expand on that and say like what how
• 1:23:15
  they got there or why they were there, or if
• 1:23:17
  they ever got like tested to see if it was
• 1:23:19
  a real person, or like he just we found out.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: He didn't say away, and he did say they were
• 1:23:26
  sent away and there were children's.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Bones, children's bones, and then he like gets cut to
• 1:23:32
  the next Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: It's like and that's when the guy realized he couldn't
• 1:23:37
  build a church there, Yeah, which is why and and
• 1:23:43
  so like there were they were going to do so
• 1:23:45
  many different things with that building. That I find so
• 1:23:51
  interesting in that sense is that it was going to
• 1:23:54
  be a nightclub, it was going to be a restaurant,
• 1:23:56
  it was.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Going to be church. Imagine that being a nightclub. That
• 1:24:00
  would have been sick.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, but what what would you call it the Franklin
• 1:24:09
  Castle nightclub or would you give it like a cool name.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I think you could just call it the Franklin Castle.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Mmm, Dungeon of Darkness, nightclub back, or just the Franklin.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: You know those places just.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: Have yeah the Franklin.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: But they'll just be a cool party place. I would
• 1:24:29
  love to I love I love partying in places that
• 1:24:31
  have like a weird vibe like that.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it it so for everybody. I have some
• 1:24:41
  facts about the Franklin Castle, So you guys tell me
• 1:24:44
  what you think after you've done the tour. Okay, So
• 1:24:50
  it's it was done, and it's called a Victorian stone house.
• 1:24:54
  It's also known as the Tiedaman House, which we we
• 1:24:57
  did learn. It's located at four three eight Franklin Boulevard
• 1:25:02
  in Ohio City, so people in Cleveland know Ohio City neighborhood.
• 1:25:09
  They say that there's four stories there and more than
• 1:25:13
  twenty rooms and more than eighty windows at the time,
• 1:25:25
  so this place on Wikipedia, they are calling it the
• 1:25:30
  most haunted house in Ohio. So, guys, with the exception
• 1:25:34
  of that one room, I did not I could have
• 1:25:39
  spent the night in that place, probably by myself and
• 1:25:41
  been like, hey, but that's just.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: Brian, go sleep in sleep in that one room you
• 1:25:49
  got the creeps in all night by yourself.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. What I'll tell you why I
• 1:25:57
  wouldn't do that. That picture Jesus freaks me out. Yes,
• 1:26:02
  you could put that picture of Jesus in my house
• 1:26:05
  and I would. I would be like, get that thing
• 1:26:07
  out of here.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: And you also have to spend the night in that
• 1:26:10
  room listening to the Pagan Festival all night on repeat.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just you know sometimes though, and whether you know,
• 1:26:20
  obviously my beliefs don't create reality, and I don't fully
• 1:26:24
  believe in this stuff. But at the same time, I
• 1:26:27
  do wonder, like I got the feeling that that guy
• 1:26:30
  was trying to invite things into that house. He was
• 1:26:33
  trying to communicate with things in that house. And Dave,
• 1:26:38
  I know you're a rational person too. I don't know
• 1:26:40
  if you got that feeling, but it wouldn't have surprised me.
• 1:26:44
  And obviously this is a pure speculation, but during those
• 1:26:47
  fifteen twenty minute times where he was gone, probably sipping
• 1:26:52
  on something, he was also trying to conjure something up,
• 1:26:56
  like hey, I've got people here. Yeah, it's like you've
• 1:27:00
  wanted just like you want house I've got the people
• 1:27:04
  here for you.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It's really sort of a it's really sort of a
• 1:27:10
  haunted meets eyes wide shut type vibe.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what the hell that dude's doing
• 1:27:21
  behind closed doors?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Was he Was he disappearing just to drink or was
• 1:27:26
  he disappearing into a passageway to drink and torture somebody
• 1:27:30
  that he's got in there?
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: You hear like somebody said, you talk so much about
• 1:27:36
  the house and like if the house doesn't like you, you're
• 1:27:39
  kicked out in two years, YadA YadA. And they said, well,
• 1:27:42
  don't you think it's disrespectful to the house to have
• 1:27:44
  these tours and like have all these strangers coming into
• 1:27:47
  the house. And he was like, if you help the house,
• 1:27:52
  the house helps you. And I was like, what the
• 1:27:57
  fuck does that mean? If you help the house, the
• 1:28:01
  house helps you, How are you helping the house?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: The ambiguity? And I think that's just it, man. It's
• 1:28:07
  like he I think you're right. He would love to
• 1:28:09
  invite that kind of stuff in there. He wants you
• 1:28:12
  to be supplying the scariness. He I think he's got
• 1:28:15
  it on his mind. I'm not going to sell this
• 1:28:17
  place as a scary house. But everybody's gonna say it's
• 1:28:20
  scary anyway, so I don't have to. But he still
• 1:28:24
  pushes it, you know what I mean. And so that's
• 1:28:28
  what it is to me. And it's like, again, I
• 1:28:31
  wouldn't doubt that if you stayed in that place overnight
• 1:28:34
  you might see something weird again, because it doesn't have
• 1:28:38
  to be necessarily a ghost in the sense that everyone's
• 1:28:42
  talking about. This could just be weird trapped energies from
• 1:28:45
  weird lifestyles in that house and weird murder there.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, listen to some of this stuff that comes
• 1:28:53
  up here, guys, and then this actually puts. When you
• 1:28:57
  listen to the Wikipedia, you learn more than when he
• 1:29:00
  was talking about it, which is this is how quickly
• 1:29:04
  you can learn interesting facts about this place. So obviously
• 1:29:09
  this is according to Wikipedia. But on January fifteenth, eighteen
• 1:29:14
  eighty one, so nineteen eighty one, you know the whole
• 1:29:18
  story I had already told about the daughter, but Tinaman's
• 1:29:22
  fifteen year old daughter, Emma, succumb to diabetes, which he
• 1:29:26
  did bring up the diabetes thing, and then the property
• 1:29:30
  saw second death with the elderly mother who died then
• 1:29:35
  three years later they bury three more children, giving rise
• 1:29:40
  to speculation that there was more deaths than met the eye.
• 1:29:44
  Could that have been the bones, the old bones that
• 1:29:47
  were found in the house when they were trying to
• 1:29:50
  build the church. Three more kids died, that's a lot.
• 1:29:59
  So during that time, to distract Louise, who was Tiedeman's wife,
• 1:30:05
  from all the deaths in the home, they began more
• 1:30:07
  construction on the home, adding a ballroom which runs the
• 1:30:12
  entire fourth floor of the manor, which is where we
• 1:30:15
  were at up top.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: They also added turrets and gargoyles to add to the
• 1:30:23
  edifices facade, giving the more pronounced castle appearance at that time.
• 1:30:31
  So there was rumors that there was hidden rooms and
• 1:30:34
  passageways used for bootlegging during prohibition, but none of these
• 1:30:39
  rooms have ever been found to exist, other than a
• 1:30:42
  small stairway that was used by servants from the kitchen
• 1:30:46
  which is in the basement. Guys, we were talking about
• 1:30:49
  this to the front door, and those are the stairs
• 1:30:52
  that are extremely narrow that I was talking about. Basically,
• 1:30:58
  you're going to die if you on these things and
• 1:31:01
  you have any sort of problem. Then Louise died of
• 1:31:07
  liver disease in eighteen ninety five and she was only
• 1:31:11
  fifty seven years old. Then Hans sold the house to
• 1:31:15
  the Mallhall Halls her family in nineteen oh eight, and
• 1:31:21
  the entire Tedament family was dead, leaving no one to
• 1:31:25
  inherit his considerable personal wealth. Interesting, so there's rumors that
• 1:31:36
  crimes were committed by Hans Tiedeman himself, and that contributes
• 1:31:41
  to the Franklin Castle's reputation to this day. But none
• 1:31:46
  of those were disclosed, none of those were talked about,
• 1:31:49
  and they don't talk about any of them here. Then
• 1:31:54
  in the middle years from nineteen twenty one to nineteen
• 1:31:57
  sixty eight, which they considered the Middle Years, which is
• 1:32:00
  a quite large chunk of time, it was the home
• 1:32:05
  to various German cultural organizations. James Romano, who lived there
• 1:32:13
  in nineteen sixty eight with his wife and six children,
• 1:32:17
  reported several encounters with ghosts in their home and attempted exorcisms,
• 1:32:22
  and even ghost hunting groups like the Northeast Ohio Northeast
• 1:32:32
  Ohio psych Psyche Psychical Research Society investigate the castle. In
• 1:32:40
  nineteen seventy four, the Romanos decided to leave the house
• 1:32:45
  and sold to the Sam Musculato, and he planned to
• 1:32:51
  turn it into a church, and that's when what we
• 1:32:53
  found out about the bones. Right to raise money for
• 1:32:59
  the church, though he did haunted house tours and overnight
• 1:33:02
  stays in the castle. Human bones were found in a
• 1:33:08
  closet in nineteen seventy five, but it is also believed
• 1:33:14
  that they were planted by that owner looking to gain
• 1:33:18
  publicity for the ghost tours on the property. Oh guys,
• 1:33:23
  all that stuff was left out of our tour. He
• 1:33:26
  didn't mention a single bit of that. He played into
• 1:33:30
  those bones being found just as much as the guy
• 1:33:32
  who probably planted him there. In eighty four, Michael Devinko,
• 1:33:47
  Judy Garland's fifth and last husband, purchased the Franklin Castle,
• 1:33:53
  immediately started making renovations to the house, and over the
• 1:33:57
  next ten years he spent close to one million dollars
• 1:34:00
  renovating the castle. He even went as far as to
• 1:34:04
  track down some of the original furnacings for the castle.
• 1:34:08
  But then he decided to put the house up for
• 1:34:11
  sale in nineteen ninety four. So what happened with this guy,
• 1:34:17
  There's no two years there. That was a ten year
• 1:34:20
  span eighty four to ninety four.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was probably into some dark shit brought the
• 1:34:25
  house life.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: He did talk about That's what I said. The house
• 1:34:29
  must have liked him because he was like, you know whatever.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: There was a series of owners for the past thirty years.
• 1:34:38
  The castle was empty from ninety four until ninety nine
• 1:34:43
  until Michelle him Burger bought the castle and the carriage
• 1:34:50
  house for three hundred and fifty thousand dollars using part
• 1:34:53
  of her Yahoo stock. She was one of the company's
• 1:34:58
  early employees. She's also a native Clevelander. She's fascinated with
• 1:35:04
  the home and person purchased it with intentions of restoring
• 1:35:07
  the building to its former glory. But unfortunately, that same
• 1:35:14
  year fire badly damaged the castle. Even though extensive repairs
• 1:35:19
  were done, the house restoration could not be completed. Now
• 1:35:23
  what's interesting about that, guys, is they talk about nothing
• 1:35:26
  about the fire being set by a human being who
• 1:35:30
  said that this place is evil. But we picked that
• 1:35:33
  up on the tour. Interesting in two thousand and four, Okay.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: Same Hamburger, h ei mbu r Ger Hamburger.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: So she's German too, Yeah.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In two thousand and four, there were rumors that
• 1:35:57
  the Franklin Castle was going to be completely renovated and
• 1:36:00
  turned into the Franklin Castle Club, But in two thousand
• 1:36:05
  and six the entire club was proven to be a
• 1:36:08
  complete sham. They never did any repairs, they never did anything,
• 1:36:13
  and pictures on the website were either close up shots
• 1:36:16
  of architecture or stolen from other websites. So they never
• 1:36:21
  did anything. And there was also no evidence that castle
• 1:36:27
  had ever been used to shoot pornography. So that's a
• 1:36:30
  rumor that a lot of people have heard, and I
• 1:36:35
  have heard that it looks like.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: They're shooting some now in that bunker up there.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Around this time, the huge sea up.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: There, guys, it could be, it could be.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Around the building was cleaned and the pair pit the
• 1:36:52
  left side of the side was rebuilt according to a
• 1:36:55
  eighteenth century design. Now the property was damaged again in
• 1:36:59
  mark of twenty eleven when the carriage house was damaged
• 1:37:02
  in a fire, which maybe he brought that up when
• 1:37:05
  he went out to the carriage house, but we never
• 1:37:07
  made it that far. So now, in twenty eleven they
• 1:37:14
  rezoned the Franklin Castle to allow it to be a
• 1:37:17
  three family family dwelling, and that sale was pending. European
• 1:37:23
  Tapestry artist Shiara Donna Dale purchased it for twenty eleven
• 1:37:29
  for two hundred and sixty thousand dollars. The Cleveland Building
• 1:37:33
  and Housing Department issued a permit for residential exterior alterations
• 1:37:37
  in twenty twelve, and local news reported that the buyer
• 1:37:42
  intends to convert the building into three family homes and
• 1:37:46
  the dwelling into two of the spaces. Following several years
• 1:37:51
  of historic renovations, the owners announced single night accommodations were
• 1:37:56
  available for guests starting December twenty fourth, twenty twenty two.
• 1:38:05
  For Everyone's information. March eighteenth, twenty sixteen, Paranormal Lockdown featured
• 1:38:11
  the Franklin Castle on an episode of its first season.
• 1:38:16
  On March fifth of twenty twenty, Franklin Castle was featured
• 1:38:19
  on the fifth episode of season nineteen of Ghost Adventures,
• 1:38:23
  which was on the Travel Channel, and on November nineteenth,
• 1:38:27
  Franklin Castle was featured on episode for season two of
• 1:38:32
  The Holtzer Files, which aired on the Travel Channel.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: Interesting, so there you have it.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: So what do you think, Brian, It's a bunch of maloney?
• 1:38:45
  Or you can no, I.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Mean granted one that would mean that I'd have to
• 1:38:52
  take everything for face value on Wikipedia, which you really
• 1:38:56
  can't do. But I also don't think that they are
• 1:39:00
  full of crap here. A lot of this stuff matches
• 1:39:02
  up with what we've heard. Anything about why you never
• 1:39:11
  heard the ending of the bones from the closet that
• 1:39:15
  really he didn't mention. You know. Sometimes there's a thing
• 1:39:18
  called lying through omission. Oh yeah, and we all know
• 1:39:23
  what that means. We all know what lying through omission needs.
• 1:39:26
  Lying through a mission is you know something you're purposely
• 1:39:30
  not telling it because you know the consequences of what
• 1:39:34
  it is that you're about to say.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, but.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: The person's eyes the second you tear me.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: Out, Brian. Let's just say that the Franklin Castle over
• 1:39:46
  time has gained some attraction based on some ghost stories
• 1:39:49
  and like the hitchhiker story you told, right, so they
• 1:39:52
  want to run with that, but they're allowing people to
• 1:39:56
  stay there overnight, so they want to up the ante
• 1:39:58
  a little bit. Now Here comes the weird like artifacts
• 1:40:02
  that we saw in the Sexy Jesus picture and the
• 1:40:05
  Pagan Festival records and the weird little rock formations. And
• 1:40:10
  then you get up and it's like my brother said,
• 1:40:12
  to like this weird eyes wide shut scene in the
• 1:40:15
  attic ballroom where they have a huge kingside bed right
• 1:40:19
  in the middle of the ballroom for no fucking reason.
• 1:40:23
  They got the triangle with the all sing eye all
• 1:40:25
  over the attic, a big old bathtub up there, and
• 1:40:29
  they have video cameras, So you tell me they're not
• 1:40:32
  trying to channel some shit in there to like up
• 1:40:35
  the ante a little bit for when people come over
• 1:40:37
  to stay. It didn't even have to be a haunted house.
• 1:40:40
  You could go to anybody's house and start doing weird
• 1:40:43
  like rituals and shit and get some fucking dark entities
• 1:40:48
  up in that motherfucker. That's all I'm trying to say.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know honestly how any of that works.
• 1:40:59
  But something I do like to think about is, you know,
• 1:41:05
  it's not just buildings that become haunted. Sometimes you hear
• 1:41:08
  about people that become haunted no matter where they go.
• 1:41:13
  They're seeing things. And we could say, hell, okay, it's
• 1:41:16
  psychological or it is what it is. But what are
• 1:41:19
  you playing with, what are you trying to bring around?
• 1:41:22
  What are you trying to do? And if you do
• 1:41:24
  do those things, are you convincing yourself to change as
• 1:41:28
  a person, or are you really inviting things into yourself?
• 1:41:33
  You know, I don't know one way or the other.
• 1:41:36
  I really don't, But I do know that when you
• 1:41:39
  dabble with certain things and you want certain things to
• 1:41:42
  be true, and what's the difference, it starts to become reality.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: I just read a story about two people in India
• 1:41:51
  who convince themselves of some They were involved in some
• 1:41:55
  kind of cult and they needed their heads to be
• 1:41:57
  chopped off and put into fire. They set up some
• 1:42:00
  sort of weird thing, some weird ritual where they created
• 1:42:05
  a guillotine and had a hill that went down into
• 1:42:08
  a fire, chopped their own heads off together and had
• 1:42:11
  it roll into the fire in some sort of cult ritual.
• 1:42:14
  What's the difference, what's the difference?
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe they needed what's it called? Brian a volunteer.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think to Brian's point, you think about
• 1:42:28
  it when you know that you've heard the term perception
• 1:42:31
  is reality, and when someone's got you tied up in
• 1:42:34
  a basement, whether their perception is reality or not, I
• 1:42:38
  promise you you're in reality and there's some crazy ass
• 1:42:43
  fucking shit happened to you, whether it's based on anything
• 1:42:46
  real or not they think it is, and some people
• 1:42:49
  can be doing some crazy ass shit. And that's why
• 1:42:51
  I said, the most fun I've been having out of
• 1:42:54
  this whole thing is coming up with all of these
• 1:42:56
  cool stories about what that guy is doing in that house.
• 1:43:00
  Is he is the the the idea that he's a
• 1:43:03
  ghost giving tours in that house, the idea that when
• 1:43:06
  he goes, we're laughing and saying he's going to drink,
• 1:43:09
  but really he's going to torture some dude he's got
• 1:43:11
  tied up in the you know what I mean.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but think about it like, this is the real verbs.
• 1:43:18
  This is the real verbs. Like and they're like, oh,
• 1:43:20
  they're Satan worshippers and da da da. And then they
• 1:43:22
  go in the house and they're like, I don't know,
• 1:43:24
  it seems kind of normal. And then they find all
• 1:43:26
  those fucking bones in his trunk. This is the real verbs.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: Fun to think about. The house doesn't necessarily need to
• 1:43:33
  be haunted to be cool. Way it's awesome, but man,
• 1:43:37
  it's creepy as hell. If you just want to go
• 1:43:38
  experience something super creepy, go yeah.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: Essentially, I think it's great. Okay, this is the advice
• 1:43:48
  I'd give anybody before they go one eat before you leave. Two.
• 1:43:52
  Understand that the tour is going to be way longer
• 1:43:54
  than one our so be prepared for that. Bring a snack,
• 1:43:59
  Bring a water. My god, he'll probably not let you
• 1:44:02
  bring it in, but bring it anyway. Be prepared to
• 1:44:06
  be there for a long time. Don't make plans afterwards.
• 1:44:10
  Know that you're going to be there a long time.
• 1:44:12
  Start looking at the things there, but learn the history
• 1:44:16
  of the house before you get there, and then ask
• 1:44:20
  educated questions and see how he answers them. Like listen,
• 1:44:26
  like read the Wikipedia page, watch some documentaries, watch the shows,
• 1:44:31
  and then when you're there, be like, where did this happen?
• 1:44:35
  Oh wait a second, didn't they find out that that
• 1:44:38
  owner was planting those bones in the closet? If he
• 1:44:42
  starts going, hey, you know you got it, know you
• 1:44:50
  got him exactly?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of view the tour like this, The house
• 1:44:57
  is the opening act, the guy give and the tour
• 1:45:00
  as the headliner. He's who you're going to see. That's
• 1:45:04
  the real show. The house is kind of this cool
• 1:45:07
  thing that goes on around this freaking creep. Oh if
• 1:45:13
  in the tour and like just go with an open
• 1:45:16
  imagination for what that dude's up to, and you will
• 1:45:19
  have a blast.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: Even the way he said, like, my name is Yan's
• 1:45:25
  it's jeans, but with an I and no A, And
• 1:45:29
  I was like, so, it's not jeans at all. What
• 1:45:32
  are you talking about.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: He's like a character from Zoolander.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: It really was. So if you're gonna right the tour
• 1:45:45
  one out of ten skulls, I'm giving it five skulls.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting because I even thought about that before,
• 1:45:56
  like where I'd rate it one to ten and I'd
• 1:45:58
  say four.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: Out of ten, four skulls.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: But my that's because I went into it blind, and
• 1:46:06
  I think I would have liked it more if I
• 1:46:08
  knew what I was getting into, because I would have
• 1:46:12
  been prepared for more of the history, and I wouldn't
• 1:46:15
  have gotten angry, and I wouldn't have been like I
• 1:46:17
  would have known. Okay, he's going off on his little
• 1:46:20
  tie rates. Here he goes, I expected this, blah blah
• 1:46:24
  blah blah blah. But the fact that I didn't expect
• 1:46:26
  that and I thought it was going to be one
• 1:46:28
  hour that really lit me up. And the fact that
• 1:46:32
  he did not thank me for coming out and after
• 1:46:35
  I was like, thank you for you know everything, blah
• 1:46:37
  blah blah blah, and he didn't say anything back. I'm like,
• 1:46:42
  that rubbed me the wrong way. For four skulls out of.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: Ten brother ten skulls.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: This was easy for me. Ten skulls.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: You're giving it ten skulls.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Ten skulls. Want to know why I'm giving it ten
• 1:46:57
  skulls because at this point, I am completely convinced that
• 1:47:01
  at some point on that tour, I was within ten
• 1:47:04
  feet of someone bound and gagged and tied up for reason, and.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Ten skulls you're giving its because you hit ten hits
• 1:47:17
  human skulls somewhere and not somewhere, and they're going to
• 1:47:24
  find out it was planned to get to get no,
• 1:47:28
  because that's when Rom up some attention. He listened.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: It has to be that, because it has to be
• 1:47:35
  either he's really a ghost giving that tour, or there's
• 1:47:39
  really people tied up in that house and he's torturing
• 1:47:42
  them and giving the tour while he's doing it because
• 1:47:45
  he's not afraid of the police. But I'm saying it's
• 1:47:50
  his way of taunting the police that I get like,
• 1:47:52
  I could picture him BTK style standing in a courtroom,
• 1:47:55
  being like, yes, I gave.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 9: One hundred and twenty seven tours while I had people
• 1:48:00
  tied up in the closet. Nobody who they thought I
• 1:48:04
  was going to drink because I kept on rubbing buben
• 1:48:07
  under my neck right here to throw them.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: And so therefore my answer stance ten skulls.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Ten skulls, Okay, I mean that that is a very
• 1:48:21
  good rating, ten out of ten skulls. I give it
• 1:48:24
  five skulls just because I would have liked to finish
• 1:48:27
  the tour in a timely manner.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, well that's true. That's true too. Yeah, I guess
• 1:48:33
  I'll remove one skull for him. I'll give it nine skulls.
• 1:48:38
  Removing one skull because he tried to tell us that
• 1:48:42
  it was going to be five minutes behind the castle
• 1:48:44
  and then immediately changed it to fifty minutes.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: By the castle.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: That's got a cost at least one.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 10: Come on, when you do that, you lose a skull immediately,
• 1:48:55
  you know what the older I get, guys, And I
• 1:48:57
  don't know why this surprises me, because I've always said
• 1:49:01
  attention is today's currency, But the reality is attention.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Has always been a currency. It's worth more than the
• 1:49:09
  almighty dollar and everywhere you go. You know what, I'd
• 1:49:14
  almost say they always say the answer to ninety nine
• 1:49:17
  out of one hundred questions is money. I'd almost say
• 1:49:20
  it the answer to ninety nine out of one hundred
• 1:49:23
  questions is attention. I mean you go back like you
• 1:49:27
  just every politician, everything they say is for attention, Everything
• 1:49:31
  they do is for attention. Most people out here are
• 1:49:36
  doing most of the things for attention. I mean say,
• 1:49:39
  I'm ping this podcast for some sort of attention. But
• 1:49:42
  think about it. Everything is worst kind of attention, right, yeah,
• 1:49:45
  I mean.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: That is greazy. Comes with attention.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: What usually comes with attention money money, And that's what
• 1:49:54
  it is. When you see people seeking something like that,
• 1:49:56
  you can almost always trace it back to money to
• 1:49:59
  some degree. And again you're like, not all attention comes
• 1:50:03
  with money, but generally, when you get that attention, if
• 1:50:06
  you can harness it, it comes with money.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it doesn't matter how you get it. So
• 1:50:12
  many people get mad because there's like nefarious ways of
• 1:50:15
  getting attention, like oh, this serial killer killed one hundred people.
• 1:50:18
  Oh he's such a horrible person. I'll buy his book,
• 1:50:22
  I'll watch The documentary was on don't worry about that.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: Well, what what's old saying? What's the old saying?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: No press is bad press, all press is good press,
• 1:50:36
  All press is good press. There you go. So it's like,
• 1:50:39
  that's that's exactly what that saying means as long as
• 1:50:43
  they're talking about you. That's why I always used to
• 1:50:45
  think it was funny with the paparazzi. People like Britney
• 1:50:48
  Spears would be like, just leave me alone, and you're
• 1:50:50
  sitting there thinking if they left you alone, you'd be
• 1:50:53
  dying for them to be taking a picture of you
• 1:50:55
  right now.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Shut up.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: They're the whole reason you exist.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, pop out? Oh oh it was horrible. What happened?
• 1:51:11
  Did you get that on camera? Did you did you
• 1:51:13
  get did you quote that?
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: I just thought of a of a screenplay too. What
• 1:51:21
  if going on your idea, people go to let's say
• 1:51:27
  the Franklin Castle in this movie for a one hour tour,
• 1:51:32
  and the tour just keeps going on and on and on,
• 1:51:35
  and they get to like four hours and five hours
• 1:51:38
  in and then they all start breaking off and looking
• 1:51:40
  for ways out, and they just find more rooms and
• 1:51:43
  they find more hallways that lead to nowhere, and they
• 1:51:46
  keep trying to get out, and they can't, and they
• 1:51:48
  always find their way back to the tour guide and
• 1:51:50
  he's like, let me tell you about this oriental paper
• 1:51:56
  goes on and on and on and they just can't
• 1:51:58
  get out, and the movie ends and it's just them
• 1:52:01
  in the in the window and they're the woman in black.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Now not a I will say to all listeners, to
• 1:52:11
  my listeners and to your listeners. I think your listeners
• 1:52:14
  will like this a little bit more. But there was
• 1:52:17
  a book written, and you have to read the book
• 1:52:20
  because you can't make a movie out of it because
• 1:52:22
  the way the book's written. And you'll know what I'm
• 1:52:24
  talking about if you've ever head, but Michael, this guy
• 1:52:27
  named Michael Daniel, Daniel Luski or Daniel something like that,
• 1:52:31
  wrote a book called House of Leaves. And if you're
• 1:52:34
  not going to get an audio book on this, guys,
• 1:52:37
  it does not exist because it wouldn't do it justice.
• 1:52:41
  But if you read House of Leaves, it is one
• 1:52:44
  of the craziest books I've ever read in my entire life.
• 1:52:50
  There's no other way to preface it, there's no other
• 1:52:52
  way to talk about it. But it's about a house,
• 1:52:57
  and there's it's about so much more than this house.
• 1:53:00
  But it's about a house. And when you measure it
• 1:53:03
  from the outside, it's certain dimensions, but when you measure
• 1:53:09
  it from the inside, for some reason, the outside dimensions
• 1:53:14
  are three quarters of an inch larger, no matter how
• 1:53:17
  you account for what's inside the walls or how deep
• 1:53:20
  the walls are, what's going on with the walls. Then
• 1:53:23
  they get inside this door and there's this labyrinth in there.
• 1:53:28
  It's an unending labyrinth of just levels that go down
• 1:53:32
  and in and out, and it's pure pitch black and
• 1:53:36
  it's nothing. You can just your voice echoes in it.
• 1:53:39
  And it's just this expanding space within this three quarters
• 1:53:43
  of an inch and you don't know how it got
• 1:53:46
  there or why it's there. And they're trying to do
• 1:53:49
  a documentary of like how deep is this going to go?
• 1:53:52
  And what's gonna happen in it? And I'll just read
• 1:53:56
  the book. It's just like that. It's freaking insane. House
• 1:54:01
  of leaves.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: Look look what this see and this is why I
• 1:54:07
  give it ten skulls. Look at the creepiness that this
• 1:54:09
  has brought us to, just telling these weird stories about
• 1:54:12
  just from like what that guy could be in that
• 1:54:15
  house or the possibilities of that. I'll even just say
• 1:54:18
  one more quickly. Think about the last couple.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: What if the guy's whole plan, What if the whole
• 1:54:24
  plot of the whole thing is to make the tour
• 1:54:27
  last so long that people just start going, I'm sorry, dude,
• 1:54:31
  I can't I just can't go. Like we left, then
• 1:54:34
  those people followed us. At the end of every tour,
• 1:54:37
  there's always one person that loves the castle so much
• 1:54:40
  that they stay for the whole tour, and they get
• 1:54:43
  added to the castle.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: All the ghosts are the ghosts, and the tour got.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: The tour is the last the last person standing that's like,
• 1:54:54
  I love this place. They kill them and make them
• 1:54:56
  a permanent part.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, house absorbs them.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: See, I'm glad we have all this documented. I'm gonna
• 1:55:07
  write at least two of these screenplays.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that would be such a good movie.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. See, so that's cool. Tense golds.
• 1:55:16
  It's tense goldworthy just because of the creepy vibes it
• 1:55:19
  gives up to give you ideas.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: Like true true. But you know, if you think about it,
• 1:55:25
  like I wonder what he said after we left, Like,
• 1:55:32
  how do you justify how long you've been going?
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you think he was like apologetic and being
• 1:55:39
  like I'm so sorry, like you know?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Or was he like those jerks I can't believe.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: I'm glad they're gone.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 8: They must not appreciate architecture. Some people just don't understand, dude.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, you really can't describe what that
• 1:55:59
  tour was unless you just take it.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: It was a ghost tour, but like in more ways
• 1:56:06
  than one.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: It was a ghost tour if you like, remove ghosts.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: And shut up Brian.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: On an adventure. If you remove like fun and you
• 1:56:21
  remove ghosts and you remove.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: It's fun now that it's over.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: No, it was. It was a great experience.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: It'll be a forever memory.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: I actually don't regret one bit of it. But yeah,
• 1:56:36
  did you guys.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: Have weird stuff in the photos you took?
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: No? Remember I wasn't allowed to take.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: Photos your nose, did you, brother?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a picture of two weirdos. I sent
• 1:56:49
  it to you guys.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: It was YouTube.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: Oh my god, the.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: Mirror decapitated body behind us or anything?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: No, No, I honestly there was. But but to Brian's point,
• 1:57:03
  there were a couple of places in the house where
• 1:57:05
  I did feel creeped out. I will say that there
• 1:57:07
  were some creepy places, and there were at least two.
• 1:57:09
  There were those two rooms where there was a there
• 1:57:12
  was an actual you could feel the different in temperature. Yeah,
• 1:57:18
  just those two rooms. It was.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: It was significantly colder in those.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: Two rooms for no reason.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: So I'll give it. I'll give it that as well.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: Did you get the creeps in the Pagan festival room?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, I thought it was very creepy in.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: The only other thing I'm going to add to this,
• 1:57:35
  and I did this to my sister on the way
• 1:57:37
  home because her little bitch ass never wants to She's
• 1:57:41
  the type of person that's like, will you drive me?
• 1:57:46
  You know, parking parking is probably gonna be a bit.
• 1:57:48
  It's like, you just don't want to drive. Come on.
• 1:57:52
  But I'm driving her home and I looked at her
• 1:57:57
  and I go, don't look in your rear view mirror
• 1:58:01
  because one of the ghosts and spirits probably followed you
• 1:58:06
  back and it's going to be sitting in your back
• 1:58:08
  seat while you're driving home. And she goes, shut your
• 1:58:15
  fucking mouth right now, shut your mouth, Brian, I don't
• 1:58:20
  want to hear about that. I said, Oh no, it's
• 1:58:23
  definitely going to happen. I could tell that they were
• 1:58:26
  definitely checking you out throughout the entire tour, and the
• 1:58:30
  probably latched onto you like I've seen in so many
• 1:58:33
  horror documentaries. And she goes, she goes, just shut up right,
• 1:58:38
  it's so stupid, so stupid that you'd even say something
• 1:58:41
  so stupid. God, that's stupid. I'd drop her off. And
• 1:58:52
  I go and I start.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: Looking in my rear view mirror and I go.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: Fuck, I'm scared myself. I kept thinking there was gonna
• 1:59:03
  be somebody in my rear view mirror sitting in my
• 1:59:07
  bag seat, and I couldn't stop thinking about it. And
• 1:59:10
  I'm like, God, damn it. And so I get back
• 1:59:12
  to the house and I'm by myself, and I'm like,
• 1:59:15
  all right, I'm closing my door. I'm closing my door.
• 1:59:18
  I'm gonna be fine. I'll leave one light on. I'm good,
• 1:59:21
  nobody's in. And the heat had kicked on or something,
• 1:59:27
  and all of a sudden I hear boom because the
• 1:59:29
  door had expected like because of the pressure difference in
• 1:59:33
  the room boom. Dude. I jumped out of my sheets
• 1:59:41
  all because of that stupid tour with the no ghosts,
• 1:59:45
  and I scared myself. Then I got back into bed.
• 1:59:48
  I was perfectly fine after that, but I had I
• 1:59:50
  totally freaked myself out. Ladies and gentlemen, Julie.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: That's why I say this is a heat. You gotta
• 1:59:58
  go four stars to six stars now, or skulls. You
• 2:00:01
  gotta take it to six skulls.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: I will take it to eight. You go, I will
• 2:00:06
  take it to eight skulls. And I'll tell you why,
• 2:00:09
  because now that he said that, it adds a whole
• 2:00:11
  nother dimension to what happened to Britney and I. When
• 2:00:15
  we got home. What so, you know, she's upset, and
• 2:00:20
  then she's like talking about how upset she is all
• 2:00:23
  the way one hour drive from Cleveland back to her house.
• 2:00:27
  And she lives in the middle of nowhere, literally no neighbors,
• 2:00:32
  no street lights, nothing, so no not even yeah, she
• 2:00:37
  has no Wi Fi. Nothing. So we pulled back up
• 2:00:41
  to her house and we all got out of the
• 2:00:44
  car and put our jammis on and she had made
• 2:00:49
  a bedroom up for me to sleep in the extra bedroom.
• 2:00:52
  But I'm I'm scared to death of doing anything like
• 2:00:55
  that and sleeping by myself in a dark room. So
• 2:00:58
  I was like, I'm going to sleep on the cow
• 2:01:01
  and JJ was scared, so she went and slept in
• 2:01:04
  the bed with Britney that night. And I'm by myself
• 2:01:08
  in the pitch black living room, and every creek, every
• 2:01:12
  whisper of the wind, everything, I was just like, oh,
• 2:01:16
  like all night, like I couldn't sleep, but I finally
• 2:01:20
  fell asleep and I was like, nothing followed us out
• 2:01:23
  of there. We should be good. I think we're probably good.
• 2:01:26
  And then the next morning, Brittany wakes up and she
• 2:01:29
  was like, I had nightmares all night last night that
• 2:01:32
  I was walking through the house and trying to get out,
• 2:01:35
  and every door I opened led to another hallway to
• 2:01:38
  another door, and I was And then we talked to
• 2:01:41
  Kim and she was like, I had nightmares all night
• 2:01:45
  last night that I couldn't get out of the house.
• 2:01:47
  And I was like, oh my god, we're I'm gonna die.
• 2:01:51
  So I mean it does like that's a forever memory
• 2:01:54
  that you don't forget about. That's like having a haunted
• 2:01:56
  house experience as a family.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very very true. I didn't get a chance to
• 2:02:03
  be scared like that. I came back to the city
• 2:02:06
  downtown and was stepping over urine.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, you didn't even have the little bit
• 2:02:12
  of creeps.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't have time to be creeped out.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: I was busy trying to feed the meters on my void.
• 2:02:18
  The parking bands downtown, oh my god, which is scarier
• 2:02:23
  than any haunted house there is dealing with parking bands downtown.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: But at least we know the tour guide is not
• 2:02:31
  a ghost because the restaurant we went to afterwards said
• 2:02:35
  that he's a frequent visitor of the bar.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: Well we knew that.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: Surprise.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were all sitting there talking about it, and
• 2:02:47
  I said the joke about he said his name was Jeans,
• 2:02:50
  but with no J and an I and no A,
• 2:02:53
  and we all started laughing like that's not Jeans. And
• 2:02:56
  then the waitress comes up and she goes, oh, you're
• 2:02:59
  talking about out yawns. He comes to the bar all
• 2:03:03
  the time, and we all were like, what, of course
• 2:03:06
  he does. At least we know he's real.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: Well, now we know. We were talking shit and that
• 2:03:11
  was all his friends. We were talking shit in.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: Front of dude.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: The waitress. She was like, so you wouldn't do it again,
• 2:03:18
  like even just for like the experience of it, And
• 2:03:21
  we were all like, nah, but that was like the
• 2:03:24
  heat of the moment.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do it. If they would lock me
• 2:03:28
  in for one hour, I would just do one hour
• 2:03:30
  by myself walking around.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: That's how I was a self guided tours.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: Self guided one hour tour.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's throw it all out there. Let's throw it
• 2:03:38
  all out there. Let's see where you guys, really where
• 2:03:42
  your allegiances really lie. If I came to you and said,
• 2:03:47
  I'm going to spend the night in the Franklin Castle,
• 2:03:51
  I have a room, we have up to four people
• 2:03:58
  and a Ouiji board.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: Oh damn are you or.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: Are you out?
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: I'm in minus Theuigi board. You're in minus, I'm in
• 2:04:12
  Minus Luigi.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: Well, how are we gonna communicate?
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna We're gonna do like an EVP sash, like,
• 2:04:24
  turn the recorder on our phone and go around and
• 2:04:27
  ask questions and then listen to the audio back later.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, well.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: I bet you I know what one of the voices
• 2:04:33
  are gonna say. You're a pussy, You're a pussy. Get
• 2:04:39
  the Ouiji board out and we are gonna summon some demons, baby,
• 2:04:43
  and we're gonna go right into the dense dark room
• 2:04:46
  with the pagan They're gonna summon demons.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: I'm in for the sleepover minus Luigi brothers.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: All right, well fine, I'll bring rbs. Then instead, it's
• 2:05:04
  either a Wiji board or some really good chicken tenders
• 2:05:06
  for Marby's. Okay, that's it. That's all.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: I'll take a beef and sheddar. But are you are
• 2:05:11
  you in for the sleepover with or without Oigi board.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: I'll show up either way. If for me, which pajamas
• 2:05:18
  am I gonna bring? That's all I'm working.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Are you gonna Are you gonna partake in the investigation?
• 2:05:23
  Are you gonna sit there the whole time and crack jokes?
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: No?
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: I will partake. I'll partake and crack jokes at the
• 2:05:29
  same time. I can walk in cho gumps. There's no
• 2:05:32
  problem at all.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: I would I would, You know, I haven't done it.
• 2:05:37
  I don't think I've done a Wigi board in twenty years,
• 2:05:40
  but I would probably do it. Just put my hands
• 2:05:44
  God Brian, yeah at her, and then I'd be like,
• 2:05:49
  are you moving it? Or am I moving it? Are
• 2:05:52
  you moving it? Or am I moving it? It's moving yet,
• 2:05:55
  Oh my god, I'm not moving it. And then somebody
• 2:05:58
  else I'm not moving meanwhile, spelling things and all our
• 2:06:01
  ad ds like now win and pick up any of that.
• 2:06:05
  That's all generish to me. What is that German? Are
• 2:06:09
  you starting?
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: Is that German for fark?
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: Suddenly in the corner of the room, we summoned Yams
• 2:06:16
  and he's like, did you call me?
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: I'd be like no, no, no, no, go back, come back.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: You'd be like, no, yarns.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 5: God, did I show you the toilet that was installed
• 2:06:33
  in twenty fourteen and has nothing.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: To do about that?
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: The toilet seat is heated.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 4: I got it from all my tomsail and that's nothing.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: Oh it's important from a place called what do you
• 2:06:53
  call China? Oh my god, I got these.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: Look at these hundred and fifty year old towels. They
• 2:07:05
  came from a place called bed bath.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: And beyond.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: All, let's put some ribbon on ribbons on this though,
• 2:07:21
  the Franklin Castle, I think it could potentially be haunted.
• 2:07:27
  I think it's worth going on the tour. If you're
• 2:07:31
  listening to this episode and you know what to expect,
• 2:07:34
  and you clear out your afternoon and you eat like
• 2:07:37
  you said Brian beforehand. And honest to God, the next
• 2:07:44
  person who goes on the tour, they need to like
• 2:07:48
  be the douchebag to say can we go onto the
• 2:07:50
  next room, or like can you cut this like somebody
• 2:07:54
  needs to edit.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Actually here here, you want to ribbon this thing up.
• 2:07:57
  I will ribbon this thing up. Don't take tour.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: Don't take the tour.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: Don't even think about taking the tour. Stay in the
• 2:08:05
  house overnight. Boom, wait, don't about taking the tour. You
• 2:08:11
  will get a much better experience if you can get
• 2:08:14
  sealed up in that house by yourself for any length
• 2:08:16
  of time. I think that would be I.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: Do wonder because they do ghost tours there. I wonder
• 2:08:22
  if he avoids talking anything about ghosts until unless you
• 2:08:26
  pay the one ghost tour fee.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he doesn't want.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: The thirty five dollars fee. Is just I'm gonna walk
• 2:08:35
  you around and talk about renovations. But the one nine
• 2:08:40
  pm to two am ghost tour, right, which, by the way,
• 2:08:44
  I believe probably goes till ten o'clock in the morning.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they'd still be there. They'd still be there
• 2:08:52
  that is noted.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, brankfast is not provided.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's the point. Though. The more time you
• 2:08:59
  can spend in the house unsupervised, I think the better
• 2:09:04
  that that that. I think that's when you'll start feeling energies,
• 2:09:09
  having more opportunities to see things that I that's so,
• 2:09:13
  that's what I would say. My advice would be, just
• 2:09:15
  stay in the house. If you're really that interested in it,
• 2:09:17
  just stay there for a night.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: I agree, without a Wiji board, yes.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: Or however you decide to do it.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 10: Mm hmm.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: Well, with that being said, I'm ready to wrap everything up.
• 2:09:35
  I appreciate every I appreciate everybody, uh going on this
• 2:09:39
  tour with us, the verbal tour, which I actually think
• 2:09:45
  will hopefully be a little bit more interesting than the
• 2:09:48
  actual tour probably so, and bring your earbuds with you
• 2:09:54
  and just listen to us talk this crap as you
• 2:09:57
  walk around the actual house. It would be a phenomenal tour. Idea. Uh,
• 2:10:06
  that'd be that the genius. But I appreciate everybody coming on,
• 2:10:13
  and I appreciate you coming out. How was your How
• 2:10:15
  was your trip by the way before week before.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: We go, Oh, I thought it was great. I thought
• 2:10:20
  it was some good bonding time. I got to see
• 2:10:23
  my brother more than I did for most of my
• 2:10:26
  life in this short week. He actually hung out with
• 2:10:30
  me every day while while I was up there. And
• 2:10:34
  I think there's something to be said about like our
• 2:10:37
  family is small, but we're really close and we all
• 2:10:42
  like love the same stuff too, because a lot of
• 2:10:46
  people have to like take their friends on ghost tours
• 2:10:49
  or something, but we're all like into it and we're
• 2:10:51
  all like, let's do it together and that that's like
• 2:10:55
  forever memories and stuff. I think it was great.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: I did too, mm hmm.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: And let's do it again. Man, Like I said, believe
• 2:11:03
  in ghosts or not, if you spend time with your family,
• 2:11:05
  I'm all for it to day.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: Let's get locked in an insanitorium next time.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: But whether whether we're alone with your family and out
• 2:11:22
  and you feel like you need to stop and get
• 2:11:25
  a little bit of a drink, or let's say you're
• 2:11:28
  giving a tour and hell, it's been twenty minutes since
• 2:11:32
  your last drink and maybe you he just sneaked off
• 2:11:35
  into the level of room and get another one. When
• 2:11:38
  do you do it? Just do it in the name
• 2:11:40
  of Cleveland. Schwell, and I'll tell you what, as long
• 2:11:44
  as you do it in the name of Cleveland swell.
• 2:11:48
  We appreciate you, and we'll see you next time time,
• 2:12:19
  and