Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 616: Foundations - Tread Lightly, Sooooo Lightly
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your
- 0:10Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wire to
- 0:14Speaker 1: Hunt Foundations podcast, which has brought to you by First Light.
- 0:17Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tony Peterson, and this episode is all
- 0:21Speaker 1: about keeping your presence to an absolute minimum while trying
- 0:25Speaker 1: to kill a buzzer Peter Deer. It's bitter sweet. It
- 0:39Speaker 1: just is watching another deer season screeched to a halt.
- 0:43Speaker 1: Hopefully you had a good one. Maybe have a full freezer,
- 0:47Speaker 1: and I don't know what taxidermy bill If you don't,
- 0:50Speaker 1: or you're just out there trying to fill one last tag,
- 0:52Speaker 1: I feel for you. I'm in the same boat. While
- 0:55Speaker 1: I love late season hunting, sometimes I mostly kind of
- 0:59Speaker 1: hate it for one reason. I have to be so
- 1:02Speaker 1: damn careful. You probably do too, and if not, you
- 1:06Speaker 1: probably either have an amazing spot or never kill anything.
- 1:11Speaker 1: This episode is kind of just all about that reality,
- 1:13Speaker 1: you know, the reality of treading real lightly, and honestly,
- 1:17Speaker 1: it's a pretty good lesson for any part of the season,
- 1:19Speaker 1: although it's most noticeable during the last gasps of a
- 1:23Speaker 1: dying season. Many of you find folks are probably a
- 1:39Speaker 1: little bit too young to be married yet, so you
- 1:42Speaker 1: probably think life is going to be pretty sweet for
- 1:45Speaker 1: a long time, and that I don't know, you'll be
- 1:47Speaker 1: the master of your domain. Now, I'm sure the older
- 1:51Speaker 1: already married and maybe unmarried crowd is laughing at you
- 1:56Speaker 1: as I am. All of us beaten down wise old
- 2:00Speaker 1: married folks. We're having a good hearty chuckle at your expense,
- 2:04Speaker 1: our best ah, Count Dracula laugh perhaps, Now, why do
- 2:08Speaker 1: we do this, this mocking laugh of ours, you might ask, Well,
- 2:12Speaker 1: because we know better. We've been in the trenches dodging
- 2:16Speaker 1: sniper fire and looking for grenades that were lobbed in
- 2:18Speaker 1: our direction, and I don't know, just trying to keep
- 2:21Speaker 1: our heads down and weather the old firefight. Now, some
- 2:25Speaker 1: of you might argue that I'm being a bit too dramatic,
- 2:28Speaker 1: and you'd probably be right, but I don't care. The
- 2:31Speaker 1: thing about being married is that sometimes your spouse will
- 2:34Speaker 1: get a little spicy, and not in a good way either.
- 2:38Speaker 1: They'll decide that today when you should be able to
- 2:41Speaker 1: lay around and watch football, or maybe tinker with some
- 2:43Speaker 1: of your old fish and tackle, or take a goddamn nap,
- 2:46Speaker 1: because you're forty two and you're tired, and you should
- 2:48Speaker 1: be able to partake in an afternoon siesta if you
- 2:50Speaker 1: so desire. They'll decide that today you have some chores
- 2:55Speaker 1: to do. You'll be volunteered for cleanup of the gutters
- 2:59Speaker 1: or some other crappy homeowner task you should have already done,
- 3:02Speaker 1: but you spent too much time in a tree standard
- 3:04Speaker 1: maybe following the labs around while trying to shoot a
- 3:06Speaker 1: limited roosters. In this situation, you are done for. The
- 3:11Speaker 1: crosshairs have not only settled on your forehead, but the
- 3:15Speaker 1: sniper has slowed her breathing down and started squeezing the
- 3:18Speaker 1: old trigger puff right into your stupid head. Goes another
- 3:22Speaker 1: honeydew list bullet. That's a bummer. But there's an almost
- 3:27Speaker 1: scarier time in marriage. That's when the spiciness sounds like
- 3:31Speaker 1: it's coming on, but it isn't quite there. Kind of
- 3:35Speaker 1: like when you're standing on a beach of a I
- 3:37Speaker 1: don't know, some island somewhere and all the water sucks
- 3:39Speaker 1: away and you go, I think I've heard about this before,
- 3:42Speaker 1: and you realize there's potentially a tsunami coming. It's that
- 3:46Speaker 1: time where you know one wrong move and suddenly you're
- 3:50Speaker 1: getting the ladder out of the garage to go scoop
- 3:53Speaker 1: leaf slop out of the gutters. This is tiptoe through
- 3:56Speaker 1: the old living room tulips time, my friends, and if
- 3:59Speaker 1: you have kids, they'll also learn pretty quickly to recognize
- 4:03Speaker 1: this danger zone. The key here is discretion, subtlety, subterfuge, submarines.
- 4:11Speaker 1: If you can find one to take you on an
- 4:13Speaker 1: underwater escape, you have to choose every move wisely. You
- 4:18Speaker 1: have to look busy and look productive without actually being either.
- 4:23Speaker 1: You get bonus points and often overlooked. If that business
- 4:27Speaker 1: involves putting your little allies to pretend work too, everyone
- 4:32Speaker 1: must be careful not to tip their hand. It's not
- 4:35Speaker 1: a dance as old as time, but I'll bet we've
- 4:37Speaker 1: been doing some version of it ever since we left
- 4:39Speaker 1: one too many clubs out in the corner of our cave,
- 4:41Speaker 1: and our hairy but lovely Neanderthal wives grunted and grunted
- 4:45Speaker 1: at us until we organized them in the corner. Do
- 4:49Speaker 1: you know what this has to do with late season
- 4:51Speaker 1: deer hunting? A lot? Take the moment when your lovely
- 4:55Speaker 1: spouse is at peak spiciness. I mean, I don't like
- 4:59Speaker 1: ghost pep per level spiciness. It's too late for you.
- 5:03Speaker 1: You have to accept your fate and get to work.
- 5:06Speaker 1: That's like ignoring how crunchy the snow is, or that
- 5:08Speaker 1: the wind is blowing right into the main bedding area
- 5:11Speaker 1: and walking into hanging hunt without thinking for one second
- 5:14Speaker 1: about how much noise you'll make, or how visible you are,
- 5:17Speaker 1: or how you keep clanking every piece of metal you
- 5:19Speaker 1: can on different pieces of metal until it sounds like
- 5:21Speaker 1: a high school shop class out there in the woods.
- 5:25Speaker 1: Instead of going bowl in the china shop here, you
- 5:29Speaker 1: should consider it red zone time. How are you going
- 5:31Speaker 1: to sneak in and seal the deal when you know
- 5:33Speaker 1: the deer are prone to peak spiciness at any hint
- 5:36Speaker 1: that some camel clad asshole is out there trying to
- 5:38Speaker 1: kill them subtly sneakiness ninja moves. You have to keep
- 5:43Speaker 1: your presence to an absolute minimum when you're dealing with
- 5:46Speaker 1: late season deer. How do you do that for starters?
- 5:50Speaker 1: I actually think the late season might be the best
- 5:52Speaker 1: time to run trail cameras aside from the early season.
- 5:55Speaker 1: If you want to know who is walking by without
- 5:58Speaker 1: having to be there to see them the it's kind
- 6:00Speaker 1: of your moment. I'd also say don't be afraid to
- 6:04Speaker 1: hide your cameras this time of year. I hunt some
- 6:06Speaker 1: places where deer never ever, ever, ever look at cameras,
- 6:10Speaker 1: and other places where they not only almost always look
- 6:13Speaker 1: at them, but often obviously spook from them. To keep
- 6:19Speaker 1: your felt presence, even lower cell crammers are a pretty
- 6:24Speaker 1: sweet option for this time of year. Now. You can
- 6:27Speaker 1: hide your cameras by blending them in with some sticks
- 6:29Speaker 1: or maybe a few pine boughs or red oak limbs,
- 6:32Speaker 1: or you can hang them high and point them down.
- 6:35Speaker 1: That's my go to strategy, but I also think this
- 6:38Speaker 1: keeps some of the deer from getting photographed. Keep this
- 6:41Speaker 1: in mind if you go this route, because it's likely
- 6:43Speaker 1: that your cameras are missing some deer, especially if you're
- 6:46Speaker 1: mounting them high. Now, the next step in this whole
- 6:50Speaker 1: subtle late season hunter thing is to accept that you
- 6:53Speaker 1: can only control your pressure. Maybe you have a spot
- 6:58Speaker 1: to yourself, then great things are gonna be pretty easy
- 7:01Speaker 1: for you. A few hunt public land or permission based
- 7:05Speaker 1: ground that you have to share, You're gonna have to
- 7:07Speaker 1: forget what the other people might be doing and focus
- 7:09Speaker 1: on your own hunting. Now, this is tough, but it
- 7:13Speaker 1: is what it is. Now. It does require surgical timing
- 7:17Speaker 1: for your hunts and an eye towards resting spots. I
- 7:20Speaker 1: know this. It's really tough because for most of us,
- 7:24Speaker 1: we just have to hunt when we can. I also
- 7:28Speaker 1: know that I've bitched a lot about the advice of
- 7:30Speaker 1: resting spots because it mostly comes from people who have
- 7:32Speaker 1: primo ground and kind of a special hunting situation. I mean,
- 7:36Speaker 1: how often have you watched some unfortunate hundred and seventy
- 7:39Speaker 1: in or walk into a food plot on the Outdoor
- 7:41Speaker 1: Channel after the host said or whispered into the camera
- 7:45Speaker 1: that they have it on this plot all season. You
- 7:49Speaker 1: don't have that, but you also have the chance to
- 7:52Speaker 1: be a better hunter for it. Those folks won't get
- 7:55Speaker 1: any better despite having a wall full of booners, So
- 7:58Speaker 1: I don't know, take some solace in that, I guess
- 8:00Speaker 1: us anyway, As much as I hate to be a hypocrite,
- 8:04Speaker 1: the idea of resting spots and only hunting them when
- 8:06Speaker 1: the conditions line up is something I hate for every
- 8:09Speaker 1: part of the season, but the last couple of weeks
- 8:13Speaker 1: that's when I stop hating it. Now. I've said this
- 8:17Speaker 1: a lot because I've seen in action my whole life.
- 8:20Speaker 1: But white tails now in most places are as intolerant
- 8:25Speaker 1: of our mistakes as they will be at any point. Now.
- 8:28Speaker 1: I know we say stuff like that all the time,
- 8:30Speaker 1: especially when it comes to mature bucks, but I don't
- 8:33Speaker 1: actually believe that mature bucks are that special compared to
- 8:37Speaker 1: the rest of the deer. Right now, I don't think
- 8:40Speaker 1: that mature bucks are nearly as cagy as we like
- 8:42Speaker 1: to say, and I don't think they behave like a
- 8:44Speaker 1: different species, which is something I've heard from a lot
- 8:48Speaker 1: of outdoor communicators. This often comes from people who have
- 8:52Speaker 1: a knack and the opportunity to keep bucks dumb all
- 8:56Speaker 1: through their lives until they choose to kill them. But
- 8:59Speaker 1: who wants to say I hacked nature and made what
- 9:01Speaker 1: could be a crafty animal into the equivalent of a
- 9:05Speaker 1: lobotomized moron type of deer, so I can kill it
- 9:08Speaker 1: easily and show the world how skilled by them. In
- 9:11Speaker 1: a way, those high fence without defence deer prove my point.
- 9:15Speaker 1: If you leave them alone, they'll get easier to kill.
- 9:18Speaker 1: This goes for five years of their life and five
- 9:21Speaker 1: days in the late season. Now, even though even those
- 9:26Speaker 1: bucks you know that aren't on primo ground, I just
- 9:30Speaker 1: think they're mostly rare and they live a selfish life
- 9:34Speaker 1: where they look out for numero uno. So we tend
- 9:38Speaker 1: to think of them as cagier than everyone else. But
- 9:41Speaker 1: that's a mind trick we play on ourselves instead of
- 9:43Speaker 1: factoring in their general rarity. I think those deer have
- 9:47Speaker 1: mostly witnessed how the general hunting public tends on them,
- 9:50Speaker 1: and they've altered their lives to avoid our patterns. I
- 9:54Speaker 1: think it's pretty simple example, a prey animal, you know,
- 9:57Speaker 1: just reacting over and over to a specific type of
- 10:00Speaker 1: predatory behavior until beneficial habits become ensconce in their being.
- 10:05Speaker 1: And then I think when you take that in a
- 10:07Speaker 1: deer that's of a caliber that there might only be
- 10:09Speaker 1: one or two in a section, or one or two
- 10:12Speaker 1: on the property, and it can seem like they are
- 10:14Speaker 1: pretty special at avoiding us. I also think that when
- 10:18Speaker 1: it comes to all dear in the herd, they just
- 10:21Speaker 1: tend to be less tolerant of our presence the later
- 10:24Speaker 1: it goes into the season. But this is an ebb
- 10:27Speaker 1: and flow thing which can work to your advantage. If
- 10:29Speaker 1: you can leave them alone for a few days or
- 10:32Speaker 1: a week in a specific spot, they're more likely to
- 10:35Speaker 1: give you a chance than if you hunt them every day,
- 10:40Speaker 1: because the more they hear, see, and smell us, the
- 10:42Speaker 1: more they react. The less they hear, see and smell us,
- 10:47Speaker 1: the less they react. So your job is to keep
- 10:49Speaker 1: the times when they see here smell you to a minimum.
- 10:53Speaker 1: But here's the thing. These rules don't apply to just
- 10:57Speaker 1: mature bucks. I'll give you a real world example. I
- 11:02Speaker 1: have permission to hunt late season doughs on a farm
- 11:05Speaker 1: by my house that is a sad example of urban sprawl.
- 11:09Speaker 1: What was four thirty acres a few years ago is
- 11:12Speaker 1: now just over a hundred. The rest of the land
- 11:15Speaker 1: is full of mc mansion's that will cost you seven
- 11:18Speaker 1: fifty k just for a big house on a tiny lot.
- 11:21Speaker 1: This property still holds dear the remaining part of the
- 11:24Speaker 1: property anyway, But the landowner and his family and his
- 11:27Speaker 1: buddies big time shotgun hunters. Someone hunts that farm every
- 11:32Speaker 1: day of the shotgun season, and often lots of people hunted.
- 11:36Speaker 1: And that season here where I live is almost the
- 11:39Speaker 1: entire month of November this year, when they wrapped up.
- 11:43Speaker 1: It was my turn to go out there with a muzzleloader.
- 11:45Speaker 1: Do you know how nice it felt to pick up
- 11:48Speaker 1: a scoped gun after like eight years of only bow hunting.
- 11:52Speaker 1: I honestly felt like I was going grocery shopping. I
- 11:54Speaker 1: felt bad that it was going to be so easy. Well,
- 11:59Speaker 1: deer hunt likes to remind us that we often don't
- 12:03Speaker 1: understand reality until it's kicking us right in our asses.
- 12:07Speaker 1: With fresh snow and a weapon that I can really
- 12:09Speaker 1: reach out and touch them, I headed out to sit
- 12:12Speaker 1: on a beautiful, icy cold afternoon after resting that property
- 12:16Speaker 1: for I guess about six days, since the gun season
- 12:20Speaker 1: had ended that night. I mostly watched turkeys, which will
- 12:23Speaker 1: be real trouble this spring, but we're not the reason
- 12:26Speaker 1: I was out there now. I also saw a few deer,
- 12:29Speaker 1: but nothing anywhere near the best cover. The cover you know,
- 12:35Speaker 1: with all the box blinds and ladder stands in it
- 12:37Speaker 1: that have witnessed a revolving cast, a blaze, orange clad
- 12:40Speaker 1: characters over the last four weeks throughout all parts of
- 12:44Speaker 1: the rut. When I drove out that first night, the
- 12:48Speaker 1: bean field on the farm was covered, and I mean
- 12:52Speaker 1: covered in dear they were all feeding right next to
- 12:57Speaker 1: rush our traffic. It's so I figured i'd cut them
- 13:01Speaker 1: off the next night by going in really sneaky like
- 13:04Speaker 1: into an area that I figured they just had to
- 13:06Speaker 1: be staging to get to where they were when I
- 13:08Speaker 1: saw them, But they weren't. As soon as I settled
- 13:12Speaker 1: in that next night, I could see six of them
- 13:14Speaker 1: across the highway on a property that might as well
- 13:17Speaker 1: have been on the moon. The only deer I saw
- 13:20Speaker 1: that night was at eight pointer that stood up out
- 13:23Speaker 1: of a little cedar thicket and walked right past me.
- 13:26Speaker 1: I even texted the landowner that there was a good
- 13:29Speaker 1: one coming to see if maybe he'd feel a little
- 13:32Speaker 1: charity towards the guy who guides all of his kids
- 13:34Speaker 1: on the farm to turkeys and is the primary supplier
- 13:36Speaker 1: of slightly used bows to his family members. But his
- 13:39Speaker 1: response was a hard no, okay. I also realized that
- 13:45Speaker 1: night that the deer I was hunting, after one night
- 13:47Speaker 1: of my pressure, were I was pretty sneaky, had reverted
- 13:51Speaker 1: back to a less quality property across the road, where
- 13:55Speaker 1: not coincidentally, no one can hunt them. But with nothing
- 14:00Speaker 1: to lose and the muzzle over season coming to a close.
- 14:03Speaker 1: I went back out there the next night, deeper into
- 14:05Speaker 1: the timber to see if I could pick up a
- 14:07Speaker 1: straggler that wasn't on the main herd program. While out there,
- 14:11Speaker 1: the landowner texted me that if a scrapper buck came by,
- 14:14Speaker 1: I could shoot it. Now. That might not seem like
- 14:16Speaker 1: a big deal in this podcast and too many of
- 14:19Speaker 1: you find listeners, but it made me really really happy.
- 14:23Speaker 1: I was hunting hungry on a burned out property in
- 14:27Speaker 1: single digit temperatures in Minnesota. And what made me even
- 14:30Speaker 1: way happier was that the only deer that came out
- 14:34Speaker 1: that night to wind his way through the cat tails
- 14:36Speaker 1: was a three pointer that might break twenty inches if
- 14:39Speaker 1: I give him a bonus half a foot or so.
- 14:42Speaker 1: That book, a year and a half old, obviously was
- 14:45Speaker 1: one of the few deer that didn't get the pressure memo,
- 14:48Speaker 1: and he made a bad mistake of walking by the
- 14:50Speaker 1: only outdoor writer in the industry who has a soft
- 14:52Speaker 1: spot in his heart for shooting sports and a never
- 14:55Speaker 1: ending desire to see the white packages with shitty handwriting
- 14:57Speaker 1: pile up in his freezer. The takeaway from this story,
- 15:02Speaker 1: because I'm probably not making it all that clear, is
- 15:04Speaker 1: that even careful pressure can be too much pressure. In
- 15:07Speaker 1: the late season. If you're not paying attention to the details,
- 15:10Speaker 1: and I mean all of the details, you have a
- 15:14Speaker 1: great opportunity to push the deer out of most of
- 15:16Speaker 1: your hunting area or send them back to their old
- 15:19Speaker 1: nocturnal ways. Now a good way to look at this
- 15:23Speaker 1: is to be honest about the deer you're seeing and
- 15:25Speaker 1: what dear you think are around. What what's showing up
- 15:29Speaker 1: on your camera when you go hunt. Are you seeing
- 15:31Speaker 1: anything or is it totally dead? Is the sign still there?
- 15:36Speaker 1: What's going on right now? Not? What should they be doing?
- 15:40Speaker 1: What are they doing now? If you're not seeing them,
- 15:45Speaker 1: they know you're there. Most likely they know where you park,
- 15:49Speaker 1: they know how you walk in, and they know where
- 15:51Speaker 1: you sit. This means you have to get tricky with
- 15:54Speaker 1: your presence when you do finally hunt. You know, take
- 15:58Speaker 1: a few days off, lull them into a false sense security,
- 16:00Speaker 1: but then do something different. Park in a different spot,
- 16:05Speaker 1: if you can walk in from the north instead of
- 16:07Speaker 1: the south, if you can take some calculated risks, depite
- 16:11Speaker 1: despite what you think you know, because if the deer
- 16:14Speaker 1: aren't showing then it doesn't matter your best laid plans
- 16:17Speaker 1: are burned. It's time to show them something they haven't
- 16:20Speaker 1: seen before, and please pay attention. I mean, really pay attention.
- 16:28Speaker 1: I don't know how many of my late season deer
- 16:30Speaker 1: kills have come from seeing something, some glimpse of brown
- 16:34Speaker 1: hide in the timber or the swamps, and then sneaking
- 16:36Speaker 1: in later at a different time for a closer look. Now,
- 16:41Speaker 1: of course, this is also the time when a lot
- 16:43Speaker 1: of us should just be hunting deer. I recently accorded
- 16:46Speaker 1: a Wired Hunt episode with Alex Gilstrom, and this came up. Actually,
- 16:50Speaker 1: it always does when I talked to Alex, for a
- 16:53Speaker 1: simple reason. It's crucial. If you can't find daylight movers
- 16:56Speaker 1: of any variety, you sure as hell won't kill a
- 16:59Speaker 1: mature uck. Now, a lot of hunters have a problem
- 17:03Speaker 1: with this in a late season because they can find
- 17:05Speaker 1: daylight movers in the other parts of the season. But
- 17:09Speaker 1: this isn't the early season with those barely hunted deer
- 17:11Speaker 1: on their soybean field pattern. It's not those stages in
- 17:15Speaker 1: October they are looking for acorns in a good place
- 17:17Speaker 1: to make a scrape back in the timber. It's not
- 17:20Speaker 1: the rut and all the goodness that that brings. It's
- 17:23Speaker 1: the last gasp part of the season with cold weather
- 17:28Speaker 1: that amplifies sound, a diminished deer herd due to so
- 17:32Speaker 1: much hunting, and that post apocalyptic feel of the whole
- 17:36Speaker 1: thing where the four legged survivors duck and move and
- 17:39Speaker 1: make decisions based solely on not wanting to be anywhere
- 17:42Speaker 1: near us. The most basic tenant of finding success right now,
- 17:48Speaker 1: whether that is measured in a mature dough for the freezer,
- 17:51Speaker 1: an unlucky sport who thinks he's got the whole place
- 17:54Speaker 1: to himself, or a hundred seventy buck with double drop times,
- 17:58Speaker 1: is to not let them know you're in the woods
- 18:00Speaker 1: with them. No, this is a good move all season,
- 18:03Speaker 1: but an absolute necessity now. Without that veil of secrecy,
- 18:08Speaker 1: you're going to have a hell of a time with
- 18:09Speaker 1: those buzzer beat or deer. So keep hunting, but tread lightly,
- 18:14Speaker 1: my friends. There's still time, but it's dwindling away right now.
- 18:19Speaker 1: And be sure to tune in next week because I'm
- 18:21Speaker 1: going to do kind of a seasonal recap and talk
- 18:24Speaker 1: about how to analyze your past season and what to
- 18:27Speaker 1: do if you're like me and you feel like it
- 18:28Speaker 1: was kind of a clunker type of hot garbage season.
- 18:33Speaker 1: That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson. This has
- 18:36Speaker 1: been the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast. As always, thank
- 18:39Speaker 1: you so much for listening, and if you want more
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- 18:48Speaker 1: how to videos. Until you're sick to death is seeing
- 18:50Speaker 1: Mark and I spouting off about how to kill the
- 18:52Speaker 1: big ones.