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UNSOLVED: Ohio Architect, Fiancee Murdered in Mexico · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a young, handsome Ohio architect
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Speaker 1: falls in love, he proposes, the wedding date is set,
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Speaker 1: he heads off to visit with his fiancee, and he's
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Speaker 1: never seen again. Neither is she, for that matter. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Simone Jamison. Dozens of people guither here at Saint Julie
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Speaker 1: Billiard Church in Hamilton earlier this evening, a showing of
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Speaker 1: just how loved thirty six year old Jose Gautiers is
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Speaker 1: in this community. The service brought together as family, friends,
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Speaker 1: co workers and more in prayer that he'll be reunited
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Speaker 1: with them very soon. It's very stressful because we are
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Speaker 1: here at the United States citizens on this side, in
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Speaker 1: our brothers in a totally different country where we have
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Speaker 1: nowhereabouts where he's at. Louis Gutierres is talking about his brother,
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Speaker 1: thirty six year old Jose Gautierres, the Cincinnati architect. Last
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Speaker 1: scene at CVG Airport December twenty second and route to
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Speaker 1: Mexico to plan his wedding with his fiance slatd for
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Speaker 1: this fall. We're told while he did make it to Mexico,
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Speaker 1: there's been no communication since. Okay, do you know how
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Speaker 1: much time and energy I put into writing Don't Be
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Speaker 1: a Victim? And as I started the chapter on traveling
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Speaker 1: and traveling Abroad, I could not ignore Mexico because all
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Speaker 1: of my research started pointing toward Mexico is one of
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Speaker 1: the most dangerous places to visit. This guy, Jose Guterres,
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Speaker 1: goes to be with his fiance and she is just gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: All their plans for their wedding nailed down, and then
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Speaker 1: the two of them just disappear. Take a listen out
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox nineteen. We're live here at CVG
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Speaker 1: because this is the last place that thirty six year
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Speaker 1: old Jose Gutierrez was seen on US soil. So his
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Speaker 1: family tells me they believe that shortly after you got
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Speaker 1: to Mexico he was abducted. I mean he does go often.
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Speaker 1: He goes about three times a year. Brandy Gutierrez says
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Speaker 1: she thought nothing of her brother's holiday trip to Zacateias
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Speaker 1: A stayed in Mexico near Texas. She said her brother
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Speaker 1: would often visit his future wife. Their wedding date is
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Speaker 1: set for next year. What's concerning is they haven't heard
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Speaker 1: from him in days. Well, he loves social as, he
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Speaker 1: loves to dance. He's a good guy. Aren't you really worried? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I am, we all are and more from WCPO three
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Speaker 1: emojis like with a heart going like this. That's the
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Speaker 1: last message Brandy Gautierrez gone from her brother. She and
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Speaker 1: her family haven't heard from him since. It is a
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Speaker 1: great guy. Everyone loves him. He's well known. We're a
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Speaker 1: family and it's it's we see ourselves as one and
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Speaker 1: him missing is like torn us apartment. Thirty six year
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Speaker 1: old Jose Gutierrez was in Mexico visiting his fiancee, a
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Speaker 1: trimp he took frequently. They're planning a wedding next year
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Speaker 1: in September. I almost steel nauseous thinking about this. I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking about his parents too. They were so hard
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Speaker 1: to get him through college, get him through architect school.
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Speaker 1: Then he gets his fantastic job with an architect firm,
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Speaker 1: and he finally had age thirty six, finds the love
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Speaker 1: of his life. After a real uphill battle. He finds her,
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Speaker 1: proposes the wedding is set, everything's done, except no bride,
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Speaker 1: no groom. With me in All Star Pale to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. But first I
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Speaker 1: want to go to Senior inspector with the US Marshalls
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Speaker 1: Service International Investigations Branch, formerly with the d o J
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Speaker 1: Office of International Affairs. They worked with the US Embassy
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Speaker 1: in Kingston Country attache, author of Solo Shot and Flying Solo,
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Speaker 1: both of them on Amazon. EARV Brandt you know backed
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Speaker 1: me up on this, you know, do me a solid.
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Speaker 1: When I started trying to write about how to stay
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Speaker 1: safe when you travel, be it within our own wonderful
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Speaker 1: country or going abroad like Giant ran Neon, signs were
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Speaker 1: pointing toward Mexico as dangerous. Nancy, that's exactly right, and
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Speaker 1: you've done the research. I've spent the vast majority of
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Speaker 1: my career traveling to other countries, conducted investigations in sixty
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Speaker 1: countries on six continents, and without a doubt, Mexico is
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Speaker 1: the most dangerous, well, certain parts of Mexico is the
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Speaker 1: most dangerous place in the world. When we were down there,
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Speaker 1: I oversaw operations in our foreign field offices in Mexico City,
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Speaker 1: in Monterey, Guadalajara. We didn't go anywhere unless it was
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Speaker 1: in armored SUVs with automatic weapons, with escorts from Mexican
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Speaker 1: National Police and contractors for additional security. That's how dangerous
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Speaker 1: it is. You know what I'm thinking about, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: kill A Brandley joining Dalemel dot com. Who's all over
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Speaker 1: this case. Keil will hold on one moment, Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about how of the phrase love is blind.
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Speaker 1: Guys with me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanens joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: All he could see was this beautiful bride. I mean,
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Speaker 1: have you seen her? She looks like a beauty quick
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Speaker 1: And you know here he is. His family have come
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Speaker 1: from nothing and worked fingers to the bove to get
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Speaker 1: him through college, to get him through architects school. Then
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Speaker 1: he lands this incredible position with this firm, very sought
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Speaker 1: after firm, I might add, in Ohio, and all he
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Speaker 1: wants to do is get married. I mean, I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at him in this big, huge smile, and her she's
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Speaker 1: got the dark brown hair pulled back the beautiful brown eyes,
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Speaker 1: perfect porcelain looking skin, and they make this gorgeous couple.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure as he was going to Mexico she
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Speaker 1: lived there to see her and finalize all their wedding
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Speaker 1: plans and look forward to the future, all he had
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Speaker 1: on his mind was love. You know, like the horses
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Speaker 1: and a race, they put on blinders so they can't
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Speaker 1: see anything except what's right in front of them, and
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Speaker 1: all he was thinking about was being in love. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: Not only are those photos I see the bleep last
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Speaker 1: night looking at these photos too. There's one with him
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Speaker 1: and his family. There must be twelve people. They all
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Speaker 1: have their arms around each other. And then the photos
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Speaker 1: of him and her there have you noticed they're like
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Speaker 1: in damp holes. It looks like they're have this really
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Speaker 1: great social life that's important to them. So, Nancy, the
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Speaker 1: question of what do you think about when you're in
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Speaker 1: love is a really important one that we know a
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Speaker 1: lot from the field of neurobiology, and Mona Fishbaine is
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Speaker 1: the leading researcher in this area. She says that when
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Speaker 1: you first fall in love, you're thinking about two things.
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Speaker 1: One is that brain scans show up, that the brain
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Speaker 1: lights up just as if you were on cocaine. That's
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Speaker 1: how excited people are for the first sixty eight months.
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Speaker 1: Also that you're thinking about the you're seeing the other
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Speaker 1: person in terms of your own unmet needs for a
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Speaker 1: life together, for excitement, for going on an adventure, whatever
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Speaker 1: the unmet need is. That's the only thing you see.
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Speaker 1: And it forms a sort of tunneling, so that that
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Speaker 1: person is in this tunnel with you, and the rest
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Speaker 1: of the world is outside the tunnel. So you're not
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Speaker 1: thinking about where you're traveling in terms of danger or
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Speaker 1: potential harm. You're thinking about walking on the beach holding
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Speaker 1: hay you know the proverbial, you know, being proposed to
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Speaker 1: its sunset. That's what you're thinking about. And Nancy, that's
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Speaker 1: what we all longed for. Go on social media or
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Speaker 1: look at any magazine. That's what you're going to see
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Speaker 1: is romantic images of couples. And research shows not to
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Speaker 1: be boring here, but research shows that mental health is
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Speaker 1: actually higher when you're part of a couple. And so
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Speaker 1: this is a really wonderful incubating time for the rest
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Speaker 1: of your life. You're not thinking about something going wrong.
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about what you just said and you
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Speaker 1: said it last. Did you say six to eight months?
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Speaker 1: Is that what you said six to eight months? Because
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now. When David Lynch as I
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Speaker 1: call him a big horsehead, when he's horse in the room,
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Speaker 1: when he comes home, my heart still jumps. I'm happy.
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Speaker 1: And another thing, Doctor Bethany, When I'm sitting there in
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Speaker 1: the minivan waiting for the twins to come out of school,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I'm picking them up and getting them
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Speaker 1: home safely. When I see them walk out, my heart jumps.
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Speaker 1: At All I can think about is seeing them, and
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Speaker 1: it's like everything else fades away and I'm wondering what
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Speaker 1: he was thinking about that not guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at Fox nineteen. This is ken Baker.
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Speaker 1: Gautiera says she last heard her brother and his fiance
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Speaker 1: went out to eat, and then the couple was never
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Speaker 1: heard from again. Right now, a Mexican back missing person's
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Speaker 1: firm is looking for the couple. The US does have
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Speaker 1: a travel advisory for Zacateas, saying travelers should be weary
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Speaker 1: of kidnapping in other crime. Gutiadas says news reports in
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Speaker 1: the area. Says something went wrong that night her brother
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Speaker 1: went missing. The actual bar. Notices like screams, notices like that,
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Speaker 1: there's some type of way, like there's something that is
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Speaker 1: not right. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Joining right now
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Speaker 1: is Kaila Brantley, investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com. Kila,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Let's just take it
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Speaker 1: from the top. So he leaves, is it CVG Airport
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Speaker 1: in Ohio? That'd be Cincinnati Airport. So he leaves his family.
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Speaker 1: Last sees him on December twenty second, and he's going
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Speaker 1: to spend Christmas, you know, the biggest holiday of the year,
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Speaker 1: with his fiance with her family, and they go to
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Speaker 1: a bar. Obviously, something goes wrong, and they are in
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Speaker 1: a state of Mexico that is known for crime. They're
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Speaker 1: not in Cancoon with the spring Breakers, they're not in
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Speaker 1: cutsmel with all the cruise ships. They're in Zacatikas, which
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Speaker 1: is on the US Department States warning of do not travel. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, waite, keep talking. I'm looking up
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Speaker 1: right here in the book Don't be a victim. It
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Speaker 1: goes on and on if you do travel to Mexico,
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Speaker 1: And of course I say don't do it, but you
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Speaker 1: have to look for crime and safety reports in Mexico.
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Speaker 1: Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter. It
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Speaker 1: goes on and on. They even give roads to avoid
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Speaker 1: not listen. There's no way in hublel I'm taking the
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Speaker 1: twins anywhere where I have to worry about what road
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Speaker 1: I'm traveling on. But this guy is going to see
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Speaker 1: his fiancee. He has to go there. That's where she lives,
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Speaker 1: so you know, I guess in his mind, travel advisories
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Speaker 1: be damned. Guys. Take a listen to our cut three
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Speaker 1: our friend Valerie Lions. Psychotekais is one of a handful
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Speaker 1: of Mexican states with a do not travel advisory for
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Speaker 1: American tourists due to high rates of murder and kidnapping.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it's currently a battleground to two of mexico
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Speaker 1: largest cartels, and that's why people took to the streets
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Speaker 1: in Mexico Thursday, demanding Gautierta's and the others safe return
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Speaker 1: and an overall end to violence in the region. Gautierta's
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Speaker 1: family says they aren't giving up hope, but the two
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Speaker 1: thousand mile distance has made the days more difficult. It's
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Speaker 1: just so frustrating because we want to be there, but
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Speaker 1: it's not safe. Still, they hold on in pray. They'll
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Speaker 1: ring in the new year with Jose standing by them.
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Speaker 1: It will make us complete again. Straight back to IRV Brandt,
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Speaker 1: who knows what he's talking about. US Marshal Service at
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Speaker 1: s Shay for our country, DJ Office of International Affairs.
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Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. What does that
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Speaker 1: mean for there to be a due not travel advisory
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Speaker 1: from the Department of Justice, Nancy, There's a reason why
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Speaker 1: State Department puts these things out. Like I said before,
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Speaker 1: I travel extensively, and I still travel extensively, and first
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Speaker 1: thing that I do is check for State Department warnings
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Speaker 1: when countries like Mexico, especially as the other panelists mentioned,
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Speaker 1: when you're not going to the tourist destinations, when you're
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Speaker 1: not going to an all inclusive resort that has its
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Speaker 1: own security, when you're going to these cities, you have
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Speaker 1: to be extremely careful. And unfortunately, and what's tragic is
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Speaker 1: Mexican Americans, American citizens you know from this country, but
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Speaker 1: have highs to Mexico Native speakers and family on that
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Speaker 1: side of the border. They're the biggest targets, but they
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable traveling in those places because they have family there.
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Speaker 1: It feels like home and they think they're safe, when
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Speaker 1: it's just the opposite, and it's tragic what happens down there.
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Speaker 1: You know, I heard another thing, Gary Davidson, guys is
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Speaker 1: with me high profile lawyer joining US partner with Das
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Speaker 1: Ruis International Law Firm and alliance. Gary Davidson, did you
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Speaker 1: hear the reporters say a Mexican missing person firm? So
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Speaker 1: many people are victims of violence and go missing in Mexico.
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Speaker 1: That is a boutique niche business in Mexico are firms
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Speaker 1: to find missing Americans. But you know what, Mexican police
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Speaker 1: ha ha have they written in my notes? Mexican police
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Speaker 1: are on it right. They're the ones that let al
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Speaker 1: Chapo go. How am I going to have any faith
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Speaker 1: in them? What's a Mexican missing person firm? Gary? Well? Actually,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately is the reality on the ground is that, and
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Speaker 1: having handled a number of cases in Mexico, you don't
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Speaker 1: have in Mexico in the private sector. The level of
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Speaker 1: investigative talents or the profession of being an investigator is
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Speaker 1: not It's just not. There very very few attorneys down
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Speaker 1: there who need help and investigations are able to turn
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Speaker 1: to locals for that assistance. They have to bring somebody
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Speaker 1: in from outside the country often so that but it is,
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Speaker 1: you know, the flip side is in places like Sacatecas,
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Speaker 1: you're not going to have the level of police sophistication
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Speaker 1: that you would have in a place such as Mexico
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Speaker 1: City to deal with these sorts of issues. You know,
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Speaker 1: Mexico City, ZACATEUS. You know, every case I've ever dealt
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Speaker 1: with that has ties to Mexico is a disaster. Always
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Speaker 1: do not count on them. They're nothing like our police
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Speaker 1: forces here. Yeah, our police force has a lot of problems.
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Speaker 1: I know that. But you go to Mexico and you
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Speaker 1: can't wait to get back to your own US police force.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and I've been there. I've dived all
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Speaker 1: over Cosamel hen kon everywhere, off every beach I could find,
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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you I would dive under the water
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Speaker 1: and go back to the hotel because crime is horrible
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Speaker 1: there and US citizens are sitting ducks. Just like you
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Speaker 1: heard stated by Gary Davidson. Guys, when you're trying to
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Speaker 1: find somebody, you don't just look forward where could they be?
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Speaker 1: You look backward who are they? Who's the person you're
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Speaker 1: looking to? When you don't know a horse? You look
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Speaker 1: at his trick cracker? Where is he likely to be?
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Speaker 1: Who's his film? Say? What does she anto? What do
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Speaker 1: we know about her? Well? Listen to Simone Jamison Fox
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Speaker 1: nineteen and our friends at WCPO. Friday, dozens gathered for
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Speaker 1: a candle light service at Saint Julie Billiard's Church in
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Speaker 1: Hamilton's praying for his safe return. He has a very
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Speaker 1: well missed and as we can see, we are a
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Speaker 1: numerous family and without him it's really horn Jose, the
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Speaker 1: oldest of seven children, his siblings describing him as a
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Speaker 1: role model who overcame all odds to earn his master's
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Speaker 1: degree and work full time in his field. Is a
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Speaker 1: very hard, smart guy and he has accomplished everything that
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Speaker 1: he has proposed, and I know he will fight through this.
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Speaker 1: The thirty six year old architects from Hamilton went missing
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Speaker 1: in Mexico while visiting his fiance. They, along with two
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Speaker 1: of her relatives, were last seen at a bar in
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Speaker 1: the north central state of Sacatecas Christmas Day. None have
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Speaker 1: been heard from since. After earning his master said Miami University,
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Speaker 1: he joined Champlain Architecture three years ago, where several projects
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Speaker 1: seem to have been put on pause. He's a great guy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, every time I see him in the office,
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Speaker 1: he's got a smile on his face and always willing
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Speaker 1: to jump in and help people. Everybody was happy to
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Speaker 1: have him on their teams, and you know, obviously without
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Speaker 1: him there, we're gonna We're hoping it comes back soon
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Speaker 1: because we'd have work to do and love working with him.
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Speaker 1: That's who he is. You don't find any secret dope addiction,
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Speaker 1: you know, an alcoholic, a risk taker. This is a
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Speaker 1: guy that puts his nose to the grindstone and works
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Speaker 1: for his family, his future fiance. And you know what
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Speaker 1: we found out about her, She's just as beautiful on
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Speaker 1: the inside as the out. So. Doctor Tim Gallagher guys
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Speaker 1: is a very well known medical examiner for the state
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Speaker 1: of Florida. You can find him at pathcaremad dot com.
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Speaker 1: He teaches at University Florida Medical School, teaches forensic medicine,
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Speaker 1: and he is the founder and host of the International
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Speaker 1: Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher, the person that's
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Speaker 1: being described to us is responsible put himself through with
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Speaker 1: the help of his family. Undergrad and a master's degree
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Speaker 1: in architecture, is with a very prestigious firm. He works
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Speaker 1: weeks straight and then he visits fiance in Mexico, comes
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Speaker 1: back and works, visits fiance. Record no felony, no misdemeanor,
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Speaker 1: no ordinance violation. I can't even find a speeding ticket
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Speaker 1: on this guy. Never has missed a mortgage payment, nothing.
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Speaker 1: So here's my question to you. And yes, I know
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Speaker 1: you're an MD, a medical doctor, but wouldn't you agree
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Speaker 1: that a large percentage of the people that end up
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Speaker 1: on your examination table at the morgue have engaged in
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Speaker 1: risky behavior dope, alcohol, speeding, high crime, area crime, the works. Well, absolutely, Nancy, Um,
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of these people put themselves on purpose,
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Speaker 1: you know, in these very risky situations, you know, and
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Speaker 1: they're risky situations because you can become harmed, you know
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Speaker 1: in that area. Um. You know, when you go there
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Speaker 1: and nothing happens to you, it emboldens you. You know,
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Speaker 1: you feel that maybe you're a little more invincible than
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Speaker 1: the next person, and you feel relaxing going back again.
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Speaker 1: But eventually, you know, the numbers will catch up with you.
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Speaker 1: If you put yourself in a risky situation, something that
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Speaker 1: will happen to you over the course of time. And
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Speaker 1: that's exactly true what we find here at the morgue.
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Speaker 1: Some of these people they just happened to be the
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Speaker 1: good people, but in the wrong place, with the wrong
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Speaker 1: people at the wrong time, you know. And this example
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Speaker 1: that we're showing today could be one of that. Could
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Speaker 1: be they just happen to be with the wrong people.
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Speaker 1: You know, you brought up something really important right there,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, the wrong people. It wasn't just these two
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Speaker 1: when you said people, they're not wrong. Let me clear
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Speaker 1: that up. But the bride and groom were also with
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Speaker 1: two other women Kila Brantley joining me dailymail dot com.
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Speaker 1: Were the two other women that were with them her
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Speaker 1: sisters or her friends who were they It was her
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Speaker 1: sister who was at twenty six years old, and then
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Speaker 1: a cousin which was all also a female cousin. We
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Speaker 1: don't know much about their backgrounds, but we assume that
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Speaker 1: they are from there, so they could possibly know people
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Speaker 1: from the community. But where crime is this rampant, and
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Speaker 1: there's violence and gang violence, it's almost impossible to not
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Speaker 1: you know somebody or be connected in some way, or
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Speaker 1: it could be completely random. It really, there are so
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Speaker 1: many questions here. I'm looking at one of the girls,
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Speaker 1: Irma Vargas, gorgeous, beautiful, yeah, and then a really young girl,
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Speaker 1: Viviana Marquez. She looks like she's you know, maybe twenty,
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Speaker 1: with her pet dog, taking her husky dog on a walk.
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Speaker 1: And as much as we've tried to find anything bad
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Speaker 1: about them, they haven't found a thing. And you know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm not looking to find out bad
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Speaker 1: things about them, looking to find out if they had
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Speaker 1: a record, Did they do drugs? Did they say all drugs?
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Speaker 1: Did they did nothing? They're scrubbed in sunshine, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: You got this guy. He's worked his whole live to
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Speaker 1: get the top of his game in architecture. He's finally
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Speaker 1: marrying and start a family, and they're at with her
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Speaker 1: two girl cousins. They did everything right, Bethany. You know,
24:04
Speaker 1: not only did did they do everything right, but on
24:07
Speaker 1: so both sides of the border, to the north and
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Speaker 1: to the south, they were ensconced in family. You know,
24:13
Speaker 1: they had deep family ties. They have family who missed them,
24:16
Speaker 1: they have family who is looking for them. You know,
24:20
Speaker 1: it's easy to talk about the dangerous side of being
24:23
Speaker 1: south of the border because that's our job. It's our
24:25
Speaker 1: job to warn people. It's our job to make sense
24:28
Speaker 1: of all of this. But there are also kids who
24:31
Speaker 1: go to college. These kids were in their twenties, kids
24:33
Speaker 1: who start careers, kids who want jobs, you know, young
24:37
Speaker 1: people who are at the beginning of their lives and
24:39
Speaker 1: have hopes and dreams. And this is you know, I
24:43
Speaker 1: think I compare some parts of Mexico to Europe that
24:47
Speaker 1: you know, you see a lot of very European attitudes
24:51
Speaker 1: because I do happen to spend a lot of time there,
24:53
Speaker 1: especially in Mexico City, so there's a very large European
24:57
Speaker 1: community There's you spend a lot of time in Mexico City.
25:01
Speaker 1: Right in Mexico City. Yeah, well that's because your parents
25:05
Speaker 1: and you were missionaries. Weren't you missionaries there? That's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And I hate to say, Okay, well, I don't think
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Speaker 1: anybody's going to break into the church and rob you. Will.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they will, but I think, okay,
25:19
Speaker 1: that's a good point right there. There. You go as
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Speaker 1: a missionary is a lot different than going out to
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Speaker 1: a bar or a restaurant, Doctor Bethany, Absolutely true. I
25:30
Speaker 1: never want to be on the witness stand with you. Yes,
25:33
Speaker 1: we are not going to bars, just going out to dinner, guys.
25:39
Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut eight from Fox nineteen. Now,
25:42
Speaker 1: multiple law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, are working to
25:45
Speaker 1: locate both Jose and his fiance, a search that jose
25:49
Speaker 1: siblings says has taken its toll on the tight knit family.
25:53
Speaker 1: My mind's just racing. I'm finding myself dumb, crying every
25:56
Speaker 1: now and again and trying to stay strong for my
25:59
Speaker 1: brothers and my family and just praying for him to
26:02
Speaker 1: be home as well. This is the persons we've been
26:05
Speaker 1: missing with as well, so it makes it very hard
26:08
Speaker 1: to understand why these things aren't happening to our family.
26:11
Speaker 1: An ordeal. They're hopeful the power of prayer, word of mouth,
26:14
Speaker 1: and social media will unify more people and lead to
26:17
Speaker 1: the outcome they've been pleading for, not stopping until we
26:20
Speaker 1: get you home with the er brand formerly US Marshall
26:24
Speaker 1: serviced oj Country Attesha. Multiple law enforcements my rear end
26:32
Speaker 1: are they including the Mexican police in that ESCR Nancy
26:35
Speaker 1: and the thing to understand is I mean, Am I wrong?
26:38
Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, tell me, But I mean to me,
26:41
Speaker 1: they're not worth the salt that goes in their bread.
26:43
Speaker 1: They never help us. No, And you're right, But when
26:48
Speaker 1: they talk about multiple every US federal agency has representatives
26:56
Speaker 1: in Mexico. And there's a reason for the US Marshal Service,
27:00
Speaker 1: the DA and there is a reason for that. And
27:05
Speaker 1: if requested from either the federalis or the local jurisdictions,
27:14
Speaker 1: the US will always help and in the investigation, but
27:19
Speaker 1: they have to be asked. It has to be requested
27:24
Speaker 1: from them. The agents down in Mexico have diplomatic community,
27:31
Speaker 1: they have diplomatic status. They're allowed to carry firearms, but
27:36
Speaker 1: they're not law enforcement officers in that country. That's a
27:40
Speaker 1: sovereignty issue. They're not allowed to conduct investigations on their own.
27:45
Speaker 1: They accompany. They have to be accompanied by the Mexican
27:49
Speaker 1: authorities and more importantly, they have their assistance has to
27:53
Speaker 1: be requested from those agencies before they can start an investigation.
27:59
Speaker 1: Gary Davison with partner Diaz Ruis International Law firm an
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Speaker 1: alliance to a lot of business in Mexico with crimes
28:07
Speaker 1: and other matters. You know, Gary maybe I've got it,
28:10
Speaker 1: bastack course, and feel free to crag me if I'm wrong.
28:14
Speaker 1: And I mean that because by the time I get
28:17
Speaker 1: a case out of Mexico, it's about a dead body
28:19
Speaker 1: or a missing US citizen. That's those are the cases
28:23
Speaker 1: I see, or drug lures that would come straight out
28:26
Speaker 1: of Mexico and land on my back door in inner
28:30
Speaker 1: city Atlanta. So I could prosecute them and try to
28:33
Speaker 1: keep it tally of all the dead bodies they leave
28:36
Speaker 1: behind them. That's the way I look at it. But
28:39
Speaker 1: am I wrong? No, You're not wrong in the sense
28:44
Speaker 1: that and a lot of people who you know, are
28:48
Speaker 1: accustomed to traveling to Mexico, to places like Mexico City,
28:52
Speaker 1: to the tourist destinations in Camcoon and so forth, they
28:57
Speaker 1: lose sight of the fact that, you know, every country
29:01
Speaker 1: has certain values and people. What people don't understand if
29:06
Speaker 1: you haven't spent time in the legal system in any
29:09
Speaker 1: capacity dealing with Mexico is the fundamental fact that human
29:13
Speaker 1: life is just not valued in Mexico the way it
29:17
Speaker 1: is valued in the United States and Canada. And it's
29:22
Speaker 1: a sad it's a sad day to have to say that.
29:27
Speaker 1: But you look at a place, you know, like a Zacatacas,
29:31
Speaker 1: about twelve percent of that entire population in that in
29:35
Speaker 1: that geographic area are college educated. The majority, the vast majority,
29:41
Speaker 1: have only completed seventh grade. When you're dealing with this
29:46
Speaker 1: level of poverty and lack of education and lack of mobility,
29:53
Speaker 1: and you're dealing with a very very depraved sort of
29:59
Speaker 1: sat sperate and desperate, Yes, very very desperate situations, and
30:05
Speaker 1: so yes, Mexico is known for violence. Mexico is known for,
30:12
Speaker 1: you know, in its legal system, for the for instance,
30:15
Speaker 1: on the civil side, the value of human life in
30:19
Speaker 1: a wrongful death case in Mexico is approximately forty five
30:23
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That says everything. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys.
30:43
Speaker 1: Then there is a twist in the search for architect
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Speaker 1: Josega Teras, his bride to be, Daniella and her family,
30:57
Speaker 1: her cousin's Viviana and Rama. Take listen to our friends
31:02
Speaker 1: at WLWT. Yesterday we reported that authorities discovered the vehicle
31:07
Speaker 1: Gautierras and his fiance's family were in. The suv had
31:10
Speaker 1: bullet holes and flat tires. Now, the Attorney General for
31:14
Speaker 1: Zakatakas says members of Mexico's National Guard found a burial
31:18
Speaker 1: zone near the vehicle. The infitial assessment is that four
31:21
Speaker 1: bodies had been buried, three women and one man. Genetic
31:24
Speaker 1: testing will be done to determine their identities. Now, while
31:28
Speaker 1: we verify today's update from Zakatakas, Jose gutier As, a
31:32
Speaker 1: sister who also lives in Hamilton, says the FBI has
31:35
Speaker 1: not yet confirmed the news about the discovery of those bodies.
31:39
Speaker 1: Tequila Brantley joining us dailymail dot com tell me about
31:43
Speaker 1: the suv riddled with bullet holes with flat tires. Well,
31:50
Speaker 1: just like you said, they found the suv finally and
31:54
Speaker 1: bullet holes, flat tires, airbags deployed, and nearby a wave site.
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Speaker 1: Four bodies. And what was taking so long to identify,
32:05
Speaker 1: at least Jose Gutierrez, was that the bodies that were
32:09
Speaker 1: reportedly charred so past recognition, there needed to be DNA
32:13
Speaker 1: testing done and to finally, you know, find the identities
32:17
Speaker 1: of these bodies. So this was a brutal, brutal slaying
32:22
Speaker 1: or brand joining me, the suv riddled with bullets, satire, flattened,
32:28
Speaker 1: bodies charred beyond recognition, What time of a crime? Or
32:37
Speaker 1: was that what did they want? Did napping Nancy typical
32:42
Speaker 1: em for a kidnapping the you were saying you were
32:47
Speaker 1: talking about you were trying to find something out about
32:50
Speaker 1: the families, maybe about their past, and looking for nefarious activities,
32:56
Speaker 1: when just the opposite is. What makes the perfect target
33:01
Speaker 1: is they have they have no pass they have no
33:04
Speaker 1: criminal ties, they're not connected to the cartels. They have
33:09
Speaker 1: good families on both sides of the border, in America
33:13
Speaker 1: and in Mexico, which makes them the perfect target for
33:18
Speaker 1: extortion from their Mexican families and their American families. Something
33:24
Speaker 1: obviously went wrong if they were killed, because that wouldn't
33:31
Speaker 1: be the objective. There's no money in that. But that
33:35
Speaker 1: is exactly why they were targeted, is because they were
33:39
Speaker 1: good people, not because they were bad people. Doctor Tim Gallagher,
33:43
Speaker 1: a medical examiner for the State of Florida. When you
33:46
Speaker 1: have charred remains like this and you can't make a
33:52
Speaker 1: visual identification of the body, how do you extract DNA
33:58
Speaker 1: from ashes from charred remains? What you go into the bone? Well,
34:04
Speaker 1: you have to remember that the charring is on the
34:06
Speaker 1: outside of the body. In many cases, the inside of
34:10
Speaker 1: the body is very well preserved. I mean the body
34:13
Speaker 1: is made up of seventy five to eighty percent water,
34:17
Speaker 1: you know, so that's not going to burn. But it
34:20
Speaker 1: is very easy to even obtain blood or bone marrow,
34:25
Speaker 1: you know, from these so called charred remains, And just
34:28
Speaker 1: because they look charred on the outside doesn't mean that
34:31
Speaker 1: there's any damage done entirely on the inside. DNA is
34:35
Speaker 1: very easy to obtain, as well as gental records, and
34:38
Speaker 1: sometimes even fingerprints or palm prints can be taken if
34:46
Speaker 1: the hands haven't been consumed by the fire. It's just
34:50
Speaker 1: so hard for me to hear what you're saying, doctor Gallagher.
34:55
Speaker 1: I know it all to be true, but yeah, right
34:59
Speaker 1: right beside the photos of them getting ready for their wedding, guys,
35:06
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut thirteen. Our friend Larry
35:12
Speaker 1: Seward was a sister, says the Miami University grad turned architect.
35:16
Speaker 1: Flew to Mexico to spend the holidays with his bride
35:18
Speaker 1: to be and her family. On Christmas Day, on the
35:21
Speaker 1: way to Pichardo's family home, the group stopped at a
35:24
Speaker 1: bar in Zacatecas. It is a city so plagued by kidnapping,
35:27
Speaker 1: crime and warring drug cartels that the US State Department
35:31
Speaker 1: urges Americans not to travel there. Gutiertis's group never made
35:35
Speaker 1: it out. Authorities searched for nearly a month before finding
35:37
Speaker 1: their bodies, and so far no one faces charges for
35:40
Speaker 1: the murders, which moved crowds to block the highway. Demanding justice.
35:44
Speaker 1: Authorities say they're investigating and promise to send Gautiertis's body
35:48
Speaker 1: back to the US where his family can say final goodbyes. Well,
35:52
Speaker 1: that's not really making me feel any better. Actual protests
35:58
Speaker 1: there in Mexico demanding justice and more. In our cut
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Speaker 1: twelve w CPO in Coudlan, Mexico, loved ones cried over
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Speaker 1: the caskets of Paula Arcis, Vivianis and Daniella Piccardo. Their
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Speaker 1: funeral Sunday followed this highway blocking demonstration over a Christmas
36:17
Speaker 1: Day crime that also claimed the life of Hamilton's architect
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Speaker 1: Jose Gutieres. Mexican authorities confirmed Gutieres's DNA matches bones found
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Speaker 1: in a hidden grave last week. Near this suv with
36:30
Speaker 1: the flat tire and bullet holes. Police found remains of
36:34
Speaker 1: his fiance, her sister, and cousin there too, all four
36:37
Speaker 1: disappeared Christmas Day, a funeral instead of a wedding, people
36:43
Speaker 1: protesting in the streets for justice. And you just heard
36:49
Speaker 1: high profile lawyer Gary Davidson and her Brandt describing an
36:54
Speaker 1: area so poor, so uneducated, people desperate, willing to commit
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Speaker 1: kidnappings and murders. And now these funerals, other people thronging
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Speaker 1: the streets trying to get justice for the three local ladies,
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Speaker 1: the bride and or two cousins that were murdered. So,
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Speaker 1: Kila Brantley, has anybody been arrested or prosecuted. No arrests,
37:24
Speaker 1: no prosecutions. We're not even sure if there's any suspects
37:27
Speaker 1: at this point. We just have four charred bodies that
37:31
Speaker 1: are going to be, you know, in caskets at a
37:34
Speaker 1: funeral without a wedding. And you really have to just
37:37
Speaker 1: think of the family here. Best case scenario. Once they
37:41
Speaker 1: knew they were in danger, they were thinking ransom. They
37:44
Speaker 1: were prepared to pay any ransom to try to get
37:47
Speaker 1: them back. But it was worst case scenario at this point,
37:51
Speaker 1: where now they have funerals. You know, I don't even
37:55
Speaker 1: know what to say. You were just hearing Kila Brantley
37:58
Speaker 1: from dailymail dot Com describing the families putting together money
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Speaker 1: for a ransom, and now the farm announcing in Miami
38:08
Speaker 1: University's scholarship in Jose's name. That's what we've got, left
38:13
Speaker 1: a scholarship in his name because he's dead. It's tragic, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and it's very big news here in the United States.
38:23
Speaker 1: It's tragic, but unfortunately it's not news in Mexico. Thousands
38:30
Speaker 1: of crimes just like this one, thousands, multiple every day
38:36
Speaker 1: happens just like this. I read intelligion reports when I
38:41
Speaker 1: was at Marshal Service headquarters coming from the Mexican National Police,
38:46
Speaker 1: and I would look at photos and they would find
38:50
Speaker 1: semi trucks, the trailers full of bodies with the heads
38:55
Speaker 1: removed and the hands removed so you couldn't identify the victims.
39:02
Speaker 1: This is it's beyond belief what goes down there. And
39:07
Speaker 1: I have zero confidence that anyone will ever be identified
39:12
Speaker 1: and charged with this. Scrib agree or disagree, Gary Davidson,
39:17
Speaker 1: highly unlikely the perpetrators will be found and that justice
39:23
Speaker 1: will be done here. You know, you you just your
39:29
Speaker 1: heart goes out to the families because it's it's just
39:32
Speaker 1: it's one thing to lose a family member, you know,
39:36
Speaker 1: from natural causes. It's quite another to never really have
39:40
Speaker 1: any closure, never really know what happened and who are
39:43
Speaker 1: the people who who perpetrated it, and why they did it,
39:47
Speaker 1: and so that that's what we're left with them The
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Speaker 1: tip line one eight hundred two two five five three
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Speaker 1: two four. I cannot accept that we will not get justice.
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Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two five five three two four. Goodbye
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Speaker 1: THO