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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, March 3 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jack Wars. Did you don't jackle Jack Warris? Did you
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time? Ryan Sex steps John Actually, Jaguarris Drive
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Speaker 1: Time starts right now, Happy Tuesday, Happy March. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time in the off season. John and I
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Speaker 1: back from Indianapolis, have so much news for you. We
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Speaker 1: learned so much and listen. But we did take a
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Speaker 1: break from drive Time last week. And Brian, you were
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Speaker 1: here at the office. I was, I was watching, and
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Speaker 1: I know you missed us terrible, did I sure did?
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Speaker 1: I got enough of you go. You popped up here
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Speaker 1: and there all over the place, so I couldn't miss
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Speaker 1: us too much. Were everywhere. But I'm glad you're bride.
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Speaker 1: I used to see you. How is your indie experience?
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Speaker 1: It was awesome, it was I really enjoy Andy. I
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Speaker 1: enjoy cold weather, enjoy sleep, so it was good for me.
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Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I wish I was back, I will
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Speaker 1: say everyone. Since I've been back, a few people have
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Speaker 1: asked me, like, how bad was the cold? It looks
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Speaker 1: miserably cold, nurse that actually was only outside maybe a
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Speaker 1: total of twelve minutes the entire trip. Because an Indy
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Speaker 1: you can walk everywhere through the Circinnati is the same way.
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Speaker 1: There's some great downtowns in Upper Midwest. They know how
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Speaker 1: to do it so that you don't spend too much
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Speaker 1: time with the and that's why the combine should stay there.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm hearing that it might be moving
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Speaker 1: at some point. It'll be a bad day for people
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Speaker 1: who cover that and people who work it that when
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Speaker 1: it moves. Do you think it changes at all? Now
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Speaker 1: you've had what two teams that decided not to send
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Speaker 1: their coaching staffs. There was the Rams and there was
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Speaker 1: one other that was mentioned. Um, do you think you're
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Speaker 1: going to see I don't know what sort of downturn,
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Speaker 1: but away from the combine. If teams don't think they're
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Speaker 1: getting maximum value well for coaching staffs, I understand why
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Speaker 1: they don't necessarily send them. If the theory is you're
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Speaker 1: going if you don't want your assistance and on the
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Speaker 1: player interviews, then there's not a tremendous amount of value.
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Speaker 1: I could see the point in a team thinking there's
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Speaker 1: not a turnus amount of value and having their assistant
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Speaker 1: coaches go and watch the drills when they can get
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Speaker 1: those drills on tape. UM. I get that if that's
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Speaker 1: the route you want to go, I sort of see it.
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Speaker 1: But in terms of value, the value has always been
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Speaker 1: for football people, the value has always been the medicals
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Speaker 1: and the interview. That's what it was design And so
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Speaker 1: the TV stuff. I heard some rumor or read somewhere
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Speaker 1: where they might do the interviews, meaning not our interviews,
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Speaker 1: but the player interviews with the teams and the medicals
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Speaker 1: and indie and then move the performance stuff around. At
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Speaker 1: that point, you're basically saying the medicals and interviews are
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Speaker 1: all that matters, and then we're gonna go have the
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Speaker 1: guys run around for show somewhere else and TV ratings
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Speaker 1: and how people come latch. Yeah, well, and when that
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Speaker 1: would seem weird? But when does the players Association asked
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Speaker 1: for a cut for the players? Yeah, we're not players yet.
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Speaker 1: Well I get that. But if I'm a player and
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Speaker 1: you're asking me to go run for a TV show
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Speaker 1: that you're making money off of, where's my cup? Right?
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Speaker 1: But they're doing in college now, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 1: college football is in college athletics is changing for players
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Speaker 1: to get it cut, I mean, do you have the
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Speaker 1: I think that'll be a while, because do you have
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Speaker 1: enough players who would do that individually, they think that
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Speaker 1: they're trying to get into the league. Most of the
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Speaker 1: guys would not agreed, But I read that's not read something.
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Speaker 1: I read something this week that you know, it'll be
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Speaker 1: interesting to see when players all of a sudden and
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Speaker 1: the players Association, yeah, start to make noise on that.
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Speaker 1: I had to explain to one of my son's friends
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Speaker 1: this weekend about when the combine was just a couple
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Speaker 1: of reporters that would go to the team hotels to
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Speaker 1: talk to agents and general managers. It wasn't on TV.
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Speaker 1: You get stories in the newspaper about what was going
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Speaker 1: on there that kid kept bored quick I mean, yea
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Speaker 1: whatever of turning on NFL network. Yeah, but it was.
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Speaker 1: And I say that because at its core, it's a
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Speaker 1: really pretty boring event, and but they have done a
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Speaker 1: tremendous job of putting bells and whistles on it. Um.
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Speaker 1: I kind of get why Belichick didn't go. I kind
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Speaker 1: of get why coaches don't go, because there you can
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Speaker 1: make a strong argument that it's not really that related
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Speaker 1: to how these guys are going to perform. To send
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Speaker 1: your medical people, to send the guys to do the
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Speaker 1: interviews who have a job to do. There were people
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Speaker 1: from all teams. They're coaching staffs. You can see why
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Speaker 1: they don't go all right, Let's get into big things,
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Speaker 1: shall we. Big thing one is who is out? Apparently
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Speaker 1: Unique and Gockway wants it out. However, the franchise tag
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Speaker 1: would like a word with him before he is packing
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Speaker 1: his bags out of Jacksonville. Marone and Dave Cobble have
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Speaker 1: made it very clear they want to keep ninety one
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Speaker 1: in the Jog's uniform next season. Dave Cobble called it
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Speaker 1: priority number one. However, there was some shake ups yesterday,
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Speaker 1: some drama on Twitter. We'll talk much more about Unique
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Speaker 1: and Gockway and what the Jaguars are gonna do with
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Speaker 1: him coming up. Big thing too, who's in? For many?
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Speaker 1: We can't be that certain. We know that Guy Gardner
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Speaker 1: Minshew is in, but what about Nick Foles? Reports yesterday
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Speaker 1: that the Jags now want to trade him came out. However,
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Speaker 1: we've been hearing mostly that they'll enter camp with both
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and let them du get out. So I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure it's going to happen with that quarterback thing. No
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Speaker 1: surprise there that we don't know what's going on with
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Speaker 1: that this week? Big Thing three is who's next Jags?
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Speaker 1: The ninth pick in the draft coming off the combine,
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Speaker 1: and three guys were gonna talk about in our next
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Speaker 1: segment would all be wins for the Jags. But the
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Speaker 1: word out of Indy is with teams jumping and get
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Speaker 1: to uh, that is going to leave a premium offensive
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Speaker 1: lineman or defensive player that we didn't think would be
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Speaker 1: there at number nine. Let's go all the way back
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Speaker 1: up to Big Thing one, Unique and Gockway saying he
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Speaker 1: wants out of Jacksonville franchise tag. Before we get into it,
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Speaker 1: let's read the tweet that he tweeted out yesterday morning.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are aware I no longer have interests in
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Speaker 1: signing a long term contract in Jacksonville, du Vall, I
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Speaker 1: love you and gave you guys everything I got. I'm
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Speaker 1: thankful for the journey and look forward to continuing my
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Speaker 1: career elsewhere. We saw that. A couple of minutes later,
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Speaker 1: Adam Schufter tweets out, hey, by the way, the Jags
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Speaker 1: are thinking of putting the franchise tag on Unique and
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Speaker 1: go Way. We knew this gets sticky. First thought, when
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Speaker 1: I saw all of this come down, was this is
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Speaker 1: his leverage. I mean, that's all he can do is
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Speaker 1: express his displeasure, whether that's not having a new deal
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Speaker 1: last year, whether that's the relationship that erodeed, whether it
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Speaker 1: was Tom or Dave or Douga, whoever was involved in that,
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Speaker 1: this is all he can do. Um, you can't in
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Speaker 1: this business let your feelings get hurt. If they offer
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Speaker 1: him a contract that pays him what he thinks he's worth,
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Speaker 1: I imagine it'll be hey, d ball, I'm back right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and it's so difficult to know what it
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Speaker 1: all means. Clearly not happy, and I get that because
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Speaker 1: he hasn't been happy about the situation. He held out
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Speaker 1: last year, hasn't any contracts, So it's not news that
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Speaker 1: he's unhappy. Um, I'm with you. I think it's it.
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Speaker 1: It's clearly the only leverage he's got. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: be so dim as to dismiss it that it's not
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Speaker 1: an issue. But the thing that I'm not sure really
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Speaker 1: ties in. There's this natural connection people are making. Well,
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Speaker 1: Jalen wanted out and now Yahn went out. It's a problem,
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Speaker 1: and you know the feeling I understand that that's a
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Speaker 1: jump people are gonna make, and perhaps there's a connection,
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Speaker 1: but it's also a situation. Jalen was just unhappy about everything,
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Speaker 1: and you got and you got the feeling from Jalen
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Speaker 1: that there was going to be unhappiness no matter what happened.
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Speaker 1: And I think with Jalen there's gonna be unhappiness wherever
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Speaker 1: he goes. Yeah, the word from l A is he
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Speaker 1: was not happy there at one point, right, So that
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Speaker 1: wasn't as much about they won't pay me, and I
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Speaker 1: don't like it. This seems like absolute a dictionary definition.
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Speaker 1: I'm not happy with my contracts and I'm not happy
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Speaker 1: with the team, and that's different. So I don't know
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Speaker 1: that the cultural this is a problem. Was getting emails
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Speaker 1: yesterday saying, how can the jaguarys ever survive this? Well,
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Speaker 1: they'll survive it if y'on Lee's by putting Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: in moving on, And so I just don't know that
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Speaker 1: it's the foundation shaking mom of the franchise. Um. The
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Speaker 1: problem is fans are so unhappy with everything that this
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Speaker 1: is one more thing. And I get that it's fuel
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Speaker 1: to the fire and it's a big fire, right now,
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Speaker 1: um I I still think he plays here next year? Well,
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Speaker 1: I do too. And here's the question, and we've been
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Speaker 1: talking about this, where is his value? Right? The Dragons
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Speaker 1: have to be careful about where they pay him, and
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Speaker 1: that's why they're take in their time with this. He
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Speaker 1: obviously wants to be at the very top of the
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Speaker 1: pay scale, and they obviously don't want to make him
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Speaker 1: the highest paid pass rushing defense eve ent. So I
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Speaker 1: got lots of questions yesterday about well, what could they get.
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Speaker 1: Could they get a top ten pick for it? Whoa
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Speaker 1: slow down hold on weight? They wouldn't get one. No, no,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know that. To get it to let's
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Speaker 1: remember that Jadeveon Clowney was the first overall pick and
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Speaker 1: a better football player all around. Right, He's he is
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Speaker 1: a more disruptive player. Now, He's not the edge rusher
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Speaker 1: that unique is. He's only ever had nine sacks in
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Speaker 1: the season, but he is a monster with his length,
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Speaker 1: with his size and the way that teams deploy him.
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Speaker 1: He is a much more impactful every down player. And
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Speaker 1: they only got a third round pick, that's all they
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Speaker 1: got for him. Same sort of situation up against the
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Speaker 1: franchise tag. So if you're gonna trade Unique in gonqway,
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Speaker 1: you better be prepared that it's not going to be
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Speaker 1: It might not be a two. It's going to be
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Speaker 1: a two or a three. And that's only if you
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Speaker 1: find a team that is so desperate for what he brings,
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Speaker 1: which is that incredibly disruptive edge presence and and game
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Speaker 1: changing plays here and there that like the like the
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Speaker 1: Bengals right like we saw in Cleveland a few years ago. Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna get that. I get that.
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Speaker 1: The the prevailing thing out there is pay on, pay on,
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Speaker 1: you know, And that's fine. And he's a popular player
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Speaker 1: and fans love him and I like him. I like
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Speaker 1: covering him, I like watching him play. If you go
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Speaker 1: on some of the analytical sites to try to break
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Speaker 1: this thing down, spot track is one of the better ones,
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Speaker 1: and they list his market value of seventeen point one
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Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Now, grain assault, that's not gospel.
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Speaker 1: But if it's twenty two that he's wanting and seventeen
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Speaker 1: is sort of the market value, here's why that's not ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: And I said this too. I probably talked about it
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Speaker 1: with Slan last week. And many people bet in Gockway.
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Speaker 1: If you pay in Gothway top of the market money
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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars year, If you make him the highest
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Speaker 1: paid and span in football and he goes out in
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Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one and has the same seasons that
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Speaker 1: he had in eighteen and nineteen, what would the prevailing
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Speaker 1: uh thing be about that he's a bust? He would
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Speaker 1: be a bust. Now, he's a good player, But can
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Speaker 1: you pay that to that? And I'm not saying they won't,
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Speaker 1: but that's why it's not easy. This is not an
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Speaker 1: easy decision. This is not a fourteen sack guy. This
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Speaker 1: is a very good player who is one of the
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Speaker 1: better players on this team. But if he had the
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Speaker 1: same season after he signs, fans will be wondering why
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Speaker 1: in the world did the front office do this? Well,
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Speaker 1: And think again, you have Josh Allen who is going
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Speaker 1: into year two, so you've got three more years with
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Speaker 1: Alan who we all think is an all Pro caliber player,
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Speaker 1: and then the option year. So you've got to structure
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Speaker 1: a deal with Yawn to pay him in the next
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Speaker 1: three years because when it's time to pay job, you're
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Speaker 1: you're gonna pay six five to six, you're gonna pay that,
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Speaker 1: and so you've got to be very careful and getting
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Speaker 1: a deal in the next couple of years that pays
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Speaker 1: him up front also limits what you can do because
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Speaker 1: we know where this team is against the camp right now,
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Speaker 1: so they'll pay him what they can. He's nineteen point
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Speaker 1: three this year on the franchise tag right um, and
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Speaker 1: then maybe maybe they do what other teams have done
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Speaker 1: given the franchise you're and then move on, draft someone
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Speaker 1: and move on. This is a game of replacement, not maintenance.
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Speaker 1: You have to be willing to let players walk, get
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Speaker 1: what you can from the player, and then some guys
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Speaker 1: have to go. It's just the way that it's the
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Speaker 1: way that the league works. But John, I thought you
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Speaker 1: brought up a good point because it is all over
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Speaker 1: Twitter that this is an issue that they let Fowler,
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Speaker 1: Ramsey now possibly Yon Goo, and that they're all correlated,
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Speaker 1: they're all the same thing. It's all culture. But being
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Speaker 1: in the locker room with Yawn, I mean, we didn't
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Speaker 1: hear this was an issue until the hold out with
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Speaker 1: the contract. This seems strictly about the money. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that Fowler and Unique are two completely different cases.
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Speaker 1: Completely different men um. The Ramsler was disappointing here, Yahn's
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Speaker 1: not disappointing here. No, no, And Fouler Fowler was not
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Speaker 1: a guy they were going to keep they would love
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Speaker 1: to keep. Beyond the issue is is what Yahn is
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Speaker 1: asking for a reasonable amount to be asking for And
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Speaker 1: people say, well, other teams might pay this, Well, other
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Speaker 1: teams might pay this, and then other teams might be
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Speaker 1: disappointed what they get. Not because he's not good. I
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Speaker 1: firmly believe that if if he plays eleven twelve years,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get seven to nine sacks a season. But
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Speaker 1: so far he hasn't shown, except for one year, that
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Speaker 1: he's more than an eight sack guy. And you know
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Speaker 1: when I say that, everybody, oh, you're criticizing yet. No,
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Speaker 1: but that's what he has been, right, But that's what
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Speaker 1: he has been so far, And that's why it's not
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Speaker 1: as easy an issue. And some team pays him twenty
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Speaker 1: two million dollars a year, they'll be happy for the
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Speaker 1: off season, but then if he has the same years
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Speaker 1: that he's had the last two years, they'll be disappointed.
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Speaker 1: And that's why it's not as easy as pay on,
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Speaker 1: pay on. Yet I don't have a checkbook. That big
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Speaker 1: um rare is the free agent that you sign that
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Speaker 1: you let him get to the fourth year. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't think the jagguars when they signed Clais Campbell
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Speaker 1: expected to get to year four. Now he played his
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Speaker 1: way into absolutely So maybe Yan becomes that guy who
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Speaker 1: plays his way into it. He is that that edgy,
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Speaker 1: twitchy you know, strip sack interception guy. How do you
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Speaker 1: value it? Two million? I don't know. And his best
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Speaker 1: year where he did that the most was when he
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Speaker 1: had Calais and Marcel and the two corners. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure that unique Goquay when you put him on the
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Speaker 1: field is the difference maker unless he's got other difference
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Speaker 1: makers around him, and I think you have to take
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Speaker 1: that into account as well. Two million dollars is well,
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Speaker 1: you know, here's the other thing. Real quick, people think, well,
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Speaker 1: it's only three million in a league where guys make
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Speaker 1: a lot of money, Why can't you just give them
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Speaker 1: a three million wants? I think there's some of that.
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Speaker 1: Why can't you just give them the ten million one?
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Speaker 1: Where do you stop when this has been an issue?
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Speaker 1: When you're here's the other thing too, This franchise has
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Speaker 1: not had cap issues for a long time, and so
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Speaker 1: they have freely spent to buy the players that they want.
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Speaker 1: And this is the first time in years that they've
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Speaker 1: not been able to do that, and I think people
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Speaker 1: are coming to that realization, Oh, you just can't go
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Speaker 1: and open the checkbook. Yeah they can't. All right, So
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Speaker 1: let's quickly address big thing too, because big thing they
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Speaker 1: were going to address in the next segment, who is
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Speaker 1: in coming out of the combine the quarterback situation. John
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Speaker 1: It seems like everyone we spoke to was okay with
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Speaker 1: going into training, cap training camp, garnerment to Nick Foles,
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Speaker 1: let them du get out. Some people were excited about that.
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Speaker 1: But now we see reports yesterday that they're looking at
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Speaker 1: trade Nick Foles. All this going on, we're under the
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Speaker 1: impression that was sort of a couple of very good
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Speaker 1: reporters talking about that was the buzz. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that was Jaguar's people telling them, hey, we're
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Speaker 1: trying to trade fold or sometimes that's speculation with other
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Speaker 1: teams saying well they probably would to. So I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out sort of the nature that report,
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Speaker 1: what that meant, um, you know, But it wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: surprising if if this scenario is we're gonna say that
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Speaker 1: Fols and Minto were equal, We're gonna sort of pump
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Speaker 1: Nick up a little bit so that they can get
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Speaker 1: some sort of value for him and not have to
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Speaker 1: give a way a pick together. I think it makes
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Speaker 1: sense of trade folds if if you're not giving away
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Speaker 1: anything to trade him. But if if you're giving away
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Speaker 1: equity to also get rid of him, and you're only
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Speaker 1: saving three million, then I don't think it makes much.
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Speaker 1: So I wonder if the sale of Nick Foles is
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Speaker 1: designed to give you the flexibility to write a check
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Speaker 1: the unique I mean, are they mutually exclusive now? Because
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Speaker 1: Nick is about a two million dollar cap hit this
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Speaker 1: year and he's a three million dollar statims if you
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Speaker 1: train right now, I get that, But Unique is more
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Speaker 1: than this that this year it's three million, but he's
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Speaker 1: off your cap then in two and the cap is
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Speaker 1: going up. So does moving Nick give you the ability
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Speaker 1: to write a check? It doesn't. Unique feel like that's
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Speaker 1: if then scenario. But but those just just need people.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the more space the better. If you don't
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Speaker 1: believe in Nick Foles. So where the dominoes right, And
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Speaker 1: that's what you're asking here is is who are the
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Speaker 1: guys that are going to determine who comes back and
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Speaker 1: who doesn't. I mean, Unique seems to be one of
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Speaker 1: those guys and full seems to be the other guy.
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Speaker 1: How you structure them and their money? Okay? Can we
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Speaker 1: go back and get Marcel Darius? Right? Can you do
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Speaker 1: something with Calaius or is he absolutely having to go
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Speaker 1: somewhere else to find it? But is it worth giving
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Speaker 1: up a draft pick? If it's a brock Eyswater situation,
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Speaker 1: is it worth giving up a draft pick to get
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Speaker 1: rid of that? So? Um, you know I've said all
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Speaker 1: along this team is the toughest to post or to
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Speaker 1: offseason analyzes any I've ever been around, because here we
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Speaker 1: are in March fifteenth, and there's still questions that both
18:11
Speaker 1: sides makes so much sense. It makes sense to keep
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Speaker 1: Nick on the field, And the argument for is that
18:16
Speaker 1: you really don't know what Gardner Minshew is yet, and
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise many people are on the league. If
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Speaker 1: after four games you're going, I don't know about this,
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Speaker 1: so then it would be great to have Folds to
18:27
Speaker 1: go back to. Are you all in on Menshew? Well,
18:29
Speaker 1: certainly for this season anyway, a trade to indicate that
18:34
Speaker 1: I'm still confused because I look at this team, this roster,
18:38
Speaker 1: and I don't see a playoff team, even with two
18:43
Speaker 1: first round picks. I see a playoff team, you know,
18:46
Speaker 1: in the future if you pick right. And yet you've
18:49
Speaker 1: got a coach and a general manager who are win now.
18:51
Speaker 1: They're on that mandate win now. So Jason lachinfora right
18:55
Speaker 1: to add to my confusion is writing who confus easy?
19:00
Speaker 1: You know, well, he's an interesting burden is writing that
19:03
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are open for business? Right? Did you see
19:06
Speaker 1: that we're talking about everyone is tradeable their recoup draft
19:10
Speaker 1: picks and position the franchise forward, Jason, did you not
19:13
Speaker 1: hear the owner saying this is the year right and
19:17
Speaker 1: understanding the dynamic of what's going on inside the building here.
19:21
Speaker 1: So I think to all of what we talked about,
19:24
Speaker 1: the uniques, the nick Foles, the draft picks, you have
19:27
Speaker 1: to kind of apply to what is the approach. Is
19:30
Speaker 1: it win in twenty or is it is it redefine
19:35
Speaker 1: and reposition? And we talked about this yesterday. It's really important.
19:40
Speaker 1: Bucket not bucket brooks uh Nate Burlison said on Good
19:43
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19:45
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago seventeen that you know
19:47
Speaker 1: that team was in the FC title. You've got to
19:49
Speaker 1: stop that right now. This is we talked about seventeen
19:52
Speaker 1: and even some teen, we talked about ties seventeen. That
19:55
Speaker 1: is so far gone, that is such the distant past.
19:58
Speaker 1: Right now, it's all about where are they going to
20:00
Speaker 1: be without really looking back to it was a fun
20:03
Speaker 1: year though, it was fun, but there's no point looking back. John, Well,
20:08
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to all the players that were the
20:10
Speaker 1: you know, the Telvin's and the Deshaun Gibson's and the
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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey's and all those get they're gone. So you
20:14
Speaker 1: can't say, well, where can can can they get back to? Seen? No,
20:18
Speaker 1: how you gonna retool, how you can to reposition not
20:20
Speaker 1: the same roster. Take a look. When we come back,
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Speaker 1: He explained to us how he got the job. Here
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Speaker 1: in jackson Coach bron called me and wanted me to
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23:13
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Speaker 1: golf was kind of filling my time. Yeah. Well, he'd
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Speaker 1: been down for a while, right. He was released in
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Speaker 1: week five October, so he had some time to golf.
23:42
Speaker 1: And he said when I talked to him, he said,
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Speaker 1: it might have been a tougher decision to come back.
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Speaker 1: Had he gotten fired on Black Monday, January one second,
23:51
Speaker 1: whatever that day is, but since he had had eleven weeks,
23:55
Speaker 1: he was pretty up front. He said, I had a
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Speaker 1: lot of negativity to work through. When you get fired,
23:59
Speaker 1: you know, you go through things. So it would be interesting.
24:03
Speaker 1: People should watch that. It was interesting talking to him
24:05
Speaker 1: because you can tell that he's an ex head coach.
24:08
Speaker 1: He understands the business. Uh, he's very good at putting
24:14
Speaker 1: into words what his plans and philosophies are. So I
24:17
Speaker 1: think people enjoy it. Yeah, I think it was interesting.
24:20
Speaker 1: When you watch this, she'll see how honest he is
24:22
Speaker 1: about the opportunity here and also the challenges. I mean,
24:24
Speaker 1: he didn't sugar sugarcoat did and say, you know, everything's great.
24:27
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. There's work to be done here. And
24:30
Speaker 1: he was very upfront that they have to move a
24:32
Speaker 1: lot of pieces, and he said first things first, they
24:34
Speaker 1: got to figure out the quarterback before they can figure
24:36
Speaker 1: anything else out. Yeah, I'm fascinated toe when that will be.
24:39
Speaker 1: I mean, he was pretty clear he wanted it done.
24:43
Speaker 1: It was clear from talking to him that he would
24:44
Speaker 1: like it done fast. I don't know that it feels fast.
24:48
Speaker 1: That's not none at this point. We also spoke too
24:51
Speaker 1: many media members national media at the combine and one
24:54
Speaker 1: guy stood out, and that is draft expert Daniel Jeremiah
24:57
Speaker 1: kind of with the hot take of what the jagguars
24:59
Speaker 1: are going to do with the pick in the draft.
25:02
Speaker 1: I'm not I'd be shocked if they pick in those
25:05
Speaker 1: two spots. In other words, I think probably most likely
25:08
Speaker 1: to stay and pick their first pick their second pick.
25:11
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if they slid back at
25:12
Speaker 1: that point in time, because, as we mentioned receiver dB,
25:16
Speaker 1: you don't even need to take one there. You can
25:17
Speaker 1: slide back and still get one getting extra picks for
25:20
Speaker 1: next year. Gosh, if you come away with an extra
25:22
Speaker 1: first round pick in next year's draft class where we
25:25
Speaker 1: potentially have you know, one of the better quarterbacks we've
25:27
Speaker 1: seen come out in a while, um and you know
25:29
Speaker 1: we all know who he is. So that's like a
25:31
Speaker 1: lottery ticket. So why not try and accomplish your needs,
25:35
Speaker 1: fill your needs while also picking up a lottery ticket
25:37
Speaker 1: for next year. So Daniel Jeremiah's newest mock draft came
25:41
Speaker 1: out yesterday, and with what he's saying there makes sense
25:43
Speaker 1: because you're thinking you want two big guys nine and twenty. Well,
25:46
Speaker 1: he has three offensive linemen going before the Jaguars pick
25:50
Speaker 1: at number nine and having Derek Brown slide down to
25:52
Speaker 1: them at number Now, that would be fortuitous. I mean
25:54
Speaker 1: two years in a row to get one of the
25:56
Speaker 1: best defensive players to slide down to you. But before
25:59
Speaker 1: we we're gonna talk about some of that. See that's
26:02
Speaker 1: the confusing part because the national media's perspective. He's telling you, well,
26:05
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't just wait till next year? I mean,
26:08
Speaker 1: here's the guy. I mean, you don't say that the
26:10
Speaker 1: teams that you think are playoff bound. You say that
26:12
Speaker 1: the teams you think are rebuilding and saying why not
26:15
Speaker 1: wait till next year? And we know some quarterbacks coming out?
26:18
Speaker 1: And the only thing, you know, Daniels right, what he's
26:22
Speaker 1: saying makes sense to do. But it's never really been
26:27
Speaker 1: Dave Caldwell's m O to move back in the first
26:29
Speaker 1: round only because he's of the belief that one great
26:35
Speaker 1: player trump's two good players. That's sort of playmaking. So
26:41
Speaker 1: will he move back? It doesn't make sense on paper.
26:44
Speaker 1: It does because there are a lot of d there's
26:46
Speaker 1: a lot of DBS a lot of wide receivers, and
26:48
Speaker 1: you can theoretically go back eight or nine spots to
26:50
Speaker 1: get the same guy. Um often easier said than done.
26:55
Speaker 1: And once there's a run, there's a run, and you
26:57
Speaker 1: want to be in that run. Yeah, and you get
26:59
Speaker 1: to where Okay, you know, the philosophy is, if you
27:03
Speaker 1: like a guy, take the guy, because you're gonna here
27:06
Speaker 1: at not taking the guy if he's good. So that
27:09
Speaker 1: that often Trump's take trading back, especially in the first round.
27:12
Speaker 1: All right, so let's play a game, shall we. I
27:15
Speaker 1: know you do, hence why I put it in the rundown.
27:17
Speaker 1: It's called pick a prospect. We all three picked a
27:20
Speaker 1: prospect that we saw at the NFL Combine that we
27:22
Speaker 1: think could perhaps be at number nine for the Jaguars.
27:26
Speaker 1: John first, come on, you always I'm in with a Kuda,
27:31
Speaker 1: and not because I'm not leaning towards this being the pick,
27:35
Speaker 1: but it was interesting and talking to a couple of
27:38
Speaker 1: drafts analysts that I respect that unlike maybe two weeks ago,
27:45
Speaker 1: you're starting to hear that he might be here. Until
27:48
Speaker 1: two weeks ago he was picked by everybody to go
27:50
Speaker 1: to the Lions, and number three he's the premier pick.
27:52
Speaker 1: He's the Jalen Ramsey of this draft in terms of
27:54
Speaker 1: a cornerback who is good enough to defy. Usually you
27:59
Speaker 1: don't see corn back in the top five. This kid
28:02
Speaker 1: is good enough to be there, and it makes sense
28:06
Speaker 1: I would prefer Derrick Brown in this spot. I still
28:08
Speaker 1: don't think he slides to number nine, but it's a
28:12
Speaker 1: fascinating thing. If Akuda slides, then do you go away?
28:16
Speaker 1: Is he good enough to make you go away from
28:19
Speaker 1: what I believe is a clear need on the defensive interior?
28:22
Speaker 1: Um he might be josh Allen Good in the sense
28:26
Speaker 1: of it doesn't matter who else is on the board,
28:29
Speaker 1: this kid is generational talent at this spot, so we
28:33
Speaker 1: have to take it um. I don't think this will
28:35
Speaker 1: be the scenario, but it's more plausible than I thought
28:39
Speaker 1: it would be a month ago. What I keep hearing is,
28:42
Speaker 1: and now you're starting to see it show up, is
28:44
Speaker 1: that Akuda is going to the Lions, and the Lions
28:46
Speaker 1: are probably gonna go back, right. I mean they're gonna
28:49
Speaker 1: play this card. You're gonna see the Dolphins or whoever
28:50
Speaker 1: wants to uh, because was he not the hottest I mean,
28:54
Speaker 1: everyone's burrow is clearly number one, and Chase Young is
28:57
Speaker 1: clearly number two. But but people love to us so
29:00
Speaker 1: too was hot because Burrow was sort of locked in
29:03
Speaker 1: and it was still both of those guys. The reputation
29:05
Speaker 1: is that you can't sit there at five and expect
29:08
Speaker 1: him to be there, and it sounds as if as
29:10
Speaker 1: if people expect that he's going to get healthy, you
29:12
Speaker 1: know when that is who knows? So that the Lions
29:15
Speaker 1: can trade back out of that spot and go to
29:16
Speaker 1: five or six or wherever they have to go and
29:20
Speaker 1: still be able to get a Kuda who did I
29:23
Speaker 1: hear that his numbers were better than Ramsey's? Yes, they were, Yeah,
29:29
Speaker 1: that would be a good pick for them. Indeed, all right, Brian, Well,
29:33
Speaker 1: so there are four all pro elite defenders, I'm told
29:37
Speaker 1: at the top of this draft, and you know who
29:39
Speaker 1: they are. It's Derek Brown, Jeff Acuda, Isaiah Simmons, and
29:42
Speaker 1: Chase Young. And in the scenario that Daniel Gremali laid
29:48
Speaker 1: out in his draft, some of them slaved because there's
29:51
Speaker 1: a run an offensive lineman firmly and they're very well
29:54
Speaker 1: could be those guys that go. But I have this
29:56
Speaker 1: is a guy who's just below that level. Um. To me,
30:00
Speaker 1: he is a more explosive Malik Jackson. Malick slid. He
30:06
Speaker 1: transferred from USC to Tennessee, and he slid a little
30:08
Speaker 1: bit because at Tennessee he wasn't in that explosiveness. But
30:12
Speaker 1: same size, same length, same disruptive nous. Um. This kid
30:16
Speaker 1: looks to me and the Jaguars biggest need is in
30:20
Speaker 1: the middle of that defensive They have got to have
30:22
Speaker 1: somebody who can hold up against the run. You lived
30:24
Speaker 1: it second half of the season last year. Nothing mattered
30:27
Speaker 1: on offense because the defense couldn't get off the field.
30:30
Speaker 1: They put themselves in such a hole. I think they
30:32
Speaker 1: have to come out with a big guy in this
30:34
Speaker 1: draft in the first round. Um, unless the quarterback thing
30:37
Speaker 1: plays out, a big guy on both sides of the ball,
30:40
Speaker 1: and I think you can get an offensive lineman at
30:43
Speaker 1: and I don't know that there's a player of kin
30:45
Speaker 1: Law's ability who is closer Derek Brown than he is,
30:48
Speaker 1: you know, the kid from Texas A and M or
30:50
Speaker 1: the kid from Missouri UM and so I think kin
30:53
Speaker 1: Law is a very interesting prospect. Malie Jackson had a
30:56
Speaker 1: couple of really good years in Denver and then here.
30:59
Speaker 1: If you malle Jackson and his prime back here. You
31:02
Speaker 1: feel really good about your ability to stop the ron.
31:04
Speaker 1: And you also see after watching his press conference and
31:06
Speaker 1: hearing all the stories coming out of the Combine that
31:08
Speaker 1: he's a very high character person. Nothing wrong with that,
31:11
Speaker 1: high high character guys, great story, No, absolutely, all right.
31:14
Speaker 1: My pickup prospect is Isaiah Simmons out of Plumpson. And
31:17
Speaker 1: I was making this graphic and I said, I don't
31:19
Speaker 1: know what to list him as. I don't know list
31:21
Speaker 1: him as a linebacker, defensive back, safety. And that's because
31:24
Speaker 1: at the Combine that was his m O. He was
31:26
Speaker 1: asked what position do you play? When teams asked what
31:29
Speaker 1: position do you play, he goes defense with a smirk.
31:32
Speaker 1: A guy like this, a Tyron Matthew basically in this
31:36
Speaker 1: draft and we're seeing that trend kind of happening in
31:38
Speaker 1: the NFL where these guys ten years ago, that would
31:41
Speaker 1: have been a knock on him that he doesn't have
31:42
Speaker 1: a solid position. Now this is an advantage for him.
31:47
Speaker 1: The newist mock draft had him going seventh to the Panthers,
31:50
Speaker 1: and that was the attention that after the combine, teams
31:53
Speaker 1: have to start jumping again him and that's definitely what's happening. Yeah,
31:57
Speaker 1: I mean, he's ah. I agree with Bryant. I think
32:02
Speaker 1: the first thing this team needs to do is a
32:06
Speaker 1: shore up the defensive interior because you cannot stop the run.
32:10
Speaker 1: If that's not better, if that's not available to them,
32:13
Speaker 1: then he makes sense because he's that hybrid. He's that guy.
32:17
Speaker 1: The most interesting stuff he said on the podium that
32:19
Speaker 1: schlind just alluded to tight ends. Yeah, it was about
32:22
Speaker 1: he's the guy who takes away tight ends and you
32:23
Speaker 1: have to be able to do that. Um. It does
32:28
Speaker 1: lead to the question if you draft him, is he
32:32
Speaker 1: a carbon copy too much of Miles Jack? Meaning where
32:36
Speaker 1: do you play both of those players? If you draft
32:39
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. It does lead to that question. So that's
32:42
Speaker 1: why I still wonder if they will go that route.
32:45
Speaker 1: I think there's a defensive interior player they would go
32:48
Speaker 1: with that over him, partially for that reason. If there's
32:52
Speaker 1: if the offensive line run doesn't begin, you know somewhere
32:55
Speaker 1: five six, seven, Um, he won't be there. I mean,
32:59
Speaker 1: someone vaul in love with that speed and that ability
33:01
Speaker 1: to line up them. He's all the above. I mean,
33:04
Speaker 1: he's tremendous football player. However, all three of those prospects
33:08
Speaker 1: we were talking at the combine. If you get any
33:10
Speaker 1: three of those at the Jaguars at number nine, you're happy.
33:13
Speaker 1: You're thinking that's a good get. And I think it's
33:17
Speaker 1: playing out and there's a long way to go. It
33:19
Speaker 1: feels like it's going to play out this year, like
33:21
Speaker 1: one of those guys are going to be available. Because
33:25
Speaker 1: if Jeremiah is right and there's a run on offensive tackles,
33:28
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure about that, but that often happens
33:31
Speaker 1: with that position, and there's a run Jordan's love, uh
33:36
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, there's run on quarterbacks and offensive tackles, then
33:39
Speaker 1: you might have your choice in um So, I think
33:42
Speaker 1: that's becoming more of a possibility that you might be
33:45
Speaker 1: choosing between Akuda, Brown Simmons two of those three, which
33:50
Speaker 1: nobody thought that was gonna be the case. In January.
33:52
Speaker 1: That's one more out there. UM prospect Beckton, the big
33:56
Speaker 1: kid from Louisville. Watching his high highlighted now, I haven't
34:00
Speaker 1: studied film on this guy. Um. He looks like Quentin Nelson,
34:04
Speaker 1: a bigger Quenton Nelson, A guy who is so strong
34:08
Speaker 1: and so powerful, apparently has the feat to get out
34:10
Speaker 1: in the run game as well as pass protect and
34:13
Speaker 1: just grinds people. I mean I watched him jump a
34:16
Speaker 1: kid from Clemson. It just grind him into the turf
34:19
Speaker 1: like he loves that, which is what makes Quentin Nelson
34:21
Speaker 1: so good because he's so nasty. Oh, I'd like that.
34:25
Speaker 1: I would really like that. And if I had a
34:28
Speaker 1: chance at that, um, I might take that over a
34:30
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, he's the guy from what you heard
34:33
Speaker 1: from he's nat I don't know that he will be
34:37
Speaker 1: there at nine. I kind of get the feeling he's, uh,
34:39
Speaker 1: he's going to go. He could go for he he
34:42
Speaker 1: looks like a Dave gentleman guy. You know, gentleman came
34:44
Speaker 1: from the Georgia Young School. It's called Planet Guys. Right,
34:48
Speaker 1: There's only so many guys that big, that moved like
34:50
Speaker 1: that on the planet. You you don't let them go by.
34:53
Speaker 1: That was our friend Pete Pisschriscos pick nine. He changes
34:58
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Speaker 1: Let's see this. Craig san Diego, I hope you weren't
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Speaker 1: already running out of ways to explain why it's not
37:32
Speaker 1: as simple as pay. He wasn't listening to a block. Well,
37:36
Speaker 1: it seems like we've been going on about this forever,
37:37
Speaker 1: and it's uh right. I think it's gonna be a
37:41
Speaker 1: topic that I don't think it's gonna stop. I think
37:45
Speaker 1: the reason included this question. I knew we talked about
37:47
Speaker 1: in the A block, but it just feels like it's
37:49
Speaker 1: going to linger into training camp. I think it's gonna
37:52
Speaker 1: be a push and pull. I think it's gonna be
37:53
Speaker 1: something that there that neither side is thrilled with. I
37:57
Speaker 1: think the thing that concerns you is I Yan will
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Speaker 1: pay if he is tagged. I think he will play
38:03
Speaker 1: or try to play sixteen games for the franchise because
38:06
Speaker 1: he wants the money. But what you wonder about is
38:09
Speaker 1: what effect does him not being here If that's a scenario.
38:14
Speaker 1: I can't imagine him being here before he has to.
38:16
Speaker 1: He'll train on his own, but you do wonder what
38:20
Speaker 1: effect that will have as it lingers into the season,
38:23
Speaker 1: which it feels like it might. There's something else to
38:26
Speaker 1: consider is we saw what an unhappy Jalen Ramsey did
38:29
Speaker 1: in the locker room last year. Um he had players
38:32
Speaker 1: that were always you know, friendly teammates of his that
38:35
Speaker 1: seemed to have his back, saying what is his deal? Right?
38:38
Speaker 1: I mean you heard guys say screw that when they
38:41
Speaker 1: heard that he wasn't playing on a Sunday afternoon. Um,
38:45
Speaker 1: Yawn is a good teammate and a good player, but
38:48
Speaker 1: you don't want him here on the tag without a
38:51
Speaker 1: long term deal. If he's going to be disgruntled. That's
38:55
Speaker 1: so we found last year. That's so difficult to manage. Yeah,
39:00
Speaker 1: and I would be surprised if Yahn tries to fracture
39:08
Speaker 1: the team. That's not really I'm not saying he tried.
39:11
Speaker 1: But if you know anything about Yohn, and you both do,
39:14
Speaker 1: he wears his heart on his sleep. He hides nothing.
39:17
Speaker 1: You know exactly what he thinks when you're talking to him.
39:20
Speaker 1: If he's unhappy, he isn't gonna be able to hide it.
39:23
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it would be a malicious
39:25
Speaker 1: attempt by him to submarine body. It's just when he's
39:32
Speaker 1: not happy, Yeah, he can't hide it. Yeah, But I
39:34
Speaker 1: do go back to last year when he held out
39:37
Speaker 1: during camp and then came back. Once he came back,
39:39
Speaker 1: he had the one press conference where he talked about
39:41
Speaker 1: the contract. He was unhappy. After that, we didn't hear
39:44
Speaker 1: anything about it. It was strictly applauded throughout the entire
39:47
Speaker 1: had chirped in the locker room after games he chirped
39:49
Speaker 1: it reports, but you never you never really saw it
39:52
Speaker 1: on the field, I guess you could say, but you
39:53
Speaker 1: never heard or even get any hint. The coaches were
39:56
Speaker 1: unhappy that they saw anything. No, no, that wasn't hundred percent.
40:00
Speaker 1: And within the content, you know, was he unhappy with
40:05
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, Sure, but he never come out and said
40:08
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. That's what he did.
40:09
Speaker 1: He said I don't want to be here. Yeah, but
40:12
Speaker 1: last year we were saying right, but this year he
40:14
Speaker 1: says I don't want to be here. It's worth consideration.
40:16
Speaker 1: Will it change? We shall find out. All right, let's go,
40:19
Speaker 1: We'll stay here and duvall, Wayne, what a need? What
40:23
Speaker 1: our general manager Dave Cobble and head coach Doug Morone
40:26
Speaker 1: see that no one else is regarding the offensive line.
40:29
Speaker 1: These kind of comments are really why we should have
40:31
Speaker 1: just moved on. We are awful. The entire team needs improving.
40:35
Speaker 1: This puffery is completely toned off. Well. This references Dave
40:40
Speaker 1: and Doug both speaking highly the offensive line last week,
40:43
Speaker 1: and you know what they're seeing is what we've talked about. Brian.
40:47
Speaker 1: It's a hard position to look at and say, here's
40:51
Speaker 1: what the problem is, here's what we're going to do.
40:54
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like a lot of their thought
40:57
Speaker 1: on next year is that Camer Robinson must and can
41:00
Speaker 1: improve after being out with an a c L or
41:04
Speaker 1: after recovering and being relatively so to recover last year
41:07
Speaker 1: from a c L. It sounded to me like from
41:10
Speaker 1: the combine that I'm not sure they're going to go
41:12
Speaker 1: offensive line early. It feels like they think that they
41:16
Speaker 1: can go with the basic structure of the offensive line
41:19
Speaker 1: moving forward. Um. You know that's a gamble to me,
41:25
Speaker 1: but it feels to me like they feel the same
41:26
Speaker 1: way about this offensive line as they felt about wide
41:29
Speaker 1: receiver last year, which is that they believe more strongly
41:31
Speaker 1: in at than outsiders too. I wouldn't pass on a
41:35
Speaker 1: big guy, especially in a draft as deep a tackle
41:40
Speaker 1: as this, because what if Cam Robinson does not improve
41:43
Speaker 1: right and you have missed an opportunity when you had
41:46
Speaker 1: two first round picks to get a tackle. I haven't
41:48
Speaker 1: looked at next year's tackle prop, but this year's is
41:51
Speaker 1: exceptionally good. Um. I didn't see an offensive line that
41:55
Speaker 1: dominated the line of scrimmage at any point last season.
41:57
Speaker 1: I can't remember ever thinking man they're really well, Um,
42:01
Speaker 1: I'm not. I guess I am second guessing because I
42:05
Speaker 1: didn't see it. They're responsible for it. They've got to
42:08
Speaker 1: make the best choices for themselves. But if I'm not
42:11
Speaker 1: taking quarterback, then I'm taking a big guy on both
42:14
Speaker 1: sides of the line because they need to get better,
42:17
Speaker 1: stronger at that because Cam Robinson's done after this year anyway, right,
42:21
Speaker 1: so if the only place so so and he wants
42:22
Speaker 1: to be paid fifteen million dollars a year, which is
42:25
Speaker 1: what's starting, like, no, and if he's great, that's a
42:29
Speaker 1: whole another issue. Um, I didn't. I didn't see an
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Speaker 1: offensive line that I thought was tremendous line. I think
42:35
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a major storyline about entering the draft.
42:39
Speaker 1: Most people who weren't paying attention to those comments are
42:42
Speaker 1: going to continue to assume that they are going to
42:44
Speaker 1: go offensive line in the first round. Um, and it's it.
42:49
Speaker 1: There's always a disconnect somewhere between front office and observer.
42:53
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like this is the one for
42:54
Speaker 1: this year, and uh, you'll find out who's right. They
42:58
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to get younger, less expensive, and maybe better.
43:04
Speaker 1: Right with some of the players, in this train. When
43:05
Speaker 1: you have the next two years, you have two first
43:07
Speaker 1: round picks in each year. Don't miss that opportunity to
43:09
Speaker 1: get better at the most important positions outside of quarterback,
43:13
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive line. That's where you win. But you
43:15
Speaker 1: could easily see the argument you know and are trying
43:18
Speaker 1: to piece together why they may be looking at it
43:20
Speaker 1: this way. You can easily see the argument. Okay, offensive line,
43:24
Speaker 1: We've got five guys, all under contract, all young, all
43:27
Speaker 1: who should still be doing this, and needs would be tackle, corner, wide, receiver.
43:35
Speaker 1: Were those first three picks, wouldn't you could easily best
43:41
Speaker 1: player available. I will too, But if you're trying to
43:44
Speaker 1: win now, you can easily see defensive tackle and linebacker
43:48
Speaker 1: throwing in there. There's needs elsewhere that you can talk
43:52
Speaker 1: yourself into, not needing offensive line. I will say this now.
43:55
Speaker 1: I will say it again and again and again. Winning
43:58
Speaker 1: now would be nice, but I want to win then, right.
44:00
Speaker 1: I want to win in two. I want to win.
44:04
Speaker 1: You were a part of it in Indianapolis. You saw
44:06
Speaker 1: a team that was consistently a winner year in and
44:09
Speaker 1: year out. I don't want to miss the opportunity, even
44:12
Speaker 1: though winning now makes everyone feel good. I look at
44:15
Speaker 1: the roster and I think it's more important to win
44:17
Speaker 1: that to build the pieces that give me a chance
44:19
Speaker 1: to be a competitive team. Nine eleven wins in the
44:24
Speaker 1: hunt in December for the next seven years. Now, I
44:29
Speaker 1: would trade now for then, because I know the next
44:32
Speaker 1: two years, with four first round picks, I have a
44:34
Speaker 1: chance to really create a long string of vents. We'll
44:39
Speaker 1: see what they think about it, but if it's me,
44:41
Speaker 1: I'm taking the best offensive lineman in the best defensive
44:43
Speaker 1: lineman at nine and calling it a day. Coming home, well,
44:46
Speaker 1: feeling really good about about my foundation for the future. Absolutely,
44:50
Speaker 1: all right, So let's go to St. Louis Tony. Why
44:53
Speaker 1: did the Jagatina draft defensive tackle in the first round
44:56
Speaker 1: when we just drafted one in the first two years ago. Well,
44:59
Speaker 1: this was a little of a loaded question. Obviously, it's
45:01
Speaker 1: a criticism Taven Brian and I get that, but even
45:04
Speaker 1: had you know, Taven Bryan looked better at the end
45:08
Speaker 1: of last year than he had, so there's hope there.
45:10
Speaker 1: But whatever Taven Brian's assessment is, they were going to
45:16
Speaker 1: need to go big early because they're losing Marcel Darius. So, um,
45:21
Speaker 1: you want to go big in the first round for
45:22
Speaker 1: multiple reasons. A. You can never go wrong having too
45:25
Speaker 1: many good defensive tackles. B you've got to fix what
45:28
Speaker 1: was going wrong at the end of last season. UM,
45:31
Speaker 1: and see that you're losing Marcel Darius. Would it be
45:35
Speaker 1: better if Taven Bryan had been dominant, Sure, But even
45:37
Speaker 1: if he had been dominant, I'm not sure that you
45:39
Speaker 1: wouldn't look at this as a need. He gave you
45:41
Speaker 1: some flashes last year. The two that stand out to me.
45:43
Speaker 1: We're in Cincinnati and here against Indianapolis at the end
45:46
Speaker 1: of the year. I think if you talk to anybody
45:48
Speaker 1: in that defensive staff last year, Tavin was playing out
45:51
Speaker 1: of position a lot. He's not a three technique tackle.
45:53
Speaker 1: He is more of that zero you know, the Abrey
45:56
Speaker 1: Jones guy. Uh move him over draft someone else play
46:00
Speaker 1: that disruptive, you know, gap shooting three technique tackle and
46:03
Speaker 1: let Taven do what Taven does, which is be a big,
46:06
Speaker 1: strong guy, and hopefully you can put him in a
46:08
Speaker 1: position where what he does he does better well for you. UM.
46:13
Speaker 1: The other side is is that you can never have
46:16
Speaker 1: enough of those guys in the middle. You just had
46:19
Speaker 1: big guys. If he had three great defensive tackles. Yeah,
46:22
Speaker 1: it wouldn't feel badly right when we come back. We'll
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49:06
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49:09
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the next Gardner Minshew next season? Yeah.
49:12
Speaker 1: Well he told everybody you know at this end of
49:14
Speaker 1: the season press conference, he said I won more games
49:16
Speaker 1: and had better numbers than everyone. Yeah. And he regretted
49:20
Speaker 1: that a little bit later. And I don't see why,
49:23
Speaker 1: because it was true, and I didn't think it came
49:25
Speaker 1: across as an arrogant comment, but I did hear that
49:27
Speaker 1: he I don't think it was arrogant. I think it
49:29
Speaker 1: was it was him pointing out you all overlooked me
49:32
Speaker 1: again and look what I did. Well, I don't know
49:34
Speaker 1: why he'd regret it. He's to me, he's the hope
49:38
Speaker 1: if if he's what he might be. And you have
49:43
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Joan Taylor and d J chart to me
49:46
Speaker 1: right there, those are the four guys you can move
49:48
Speaker 1: forward with. But he's got to be as good as
49:51
Speaker 1: people thinking. He's another reason why I go out and
49:54
Speaker 1: draft an offensive lineman, to be honest with you, because
49:56
Speaker 1: I've got to give him more protection. I have more
49:59
Speaker 1: faith in him than I do and Cam Robinson at
50:01
Speaker 1: this point, uh to improve their game. But that's just me.
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Speaker 1: All right. Let's wrap up top tweets with some Calais
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Speaker 1: We all know his story about him being homeless previously
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Speaker 1: Guy wins Walter Paynton Man of the Year and doesn't
50:31
Speaker 1: take a day off, you know. So uh, two weeks ago, Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, he wrote a check when he was here.
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Speaker 1: He came to tour the facility and wrote a check.
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Speaker 1: Calais Campbell. The publicity has been blessed by so you
50:51
Speaker 1: know much opportunity and financial opportunity in his career, and
50:55
Speaker 1: then he just turned around and blessed other people with
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Speaker 1: it was. They were just so grateful if he came
51:00
Speaker 1: and then he leaves them with a check. Um, what
51:04
Speaker 1: are the ausies here? I think pretty good. I just
51:09
Speaker 1: think his time goes on and you look at it.
51:13
Speaker 1: I just think he means too much on so many levels.
51:18
Speaker 1: What you would like is if there was some way
51:20
Speaker 1: to find what his role is and match that up
51:24
Speaker 1: with his salary. But I don't know that he's going
51:27
Speaker 1: to take less, and I just don't know that you
51:29
Speaker 1: can let him out of the building. I agree, especially
51:33
Speaker 1: when you see stuff like that. How do you let
51:34
Speaker 1: him go? Tremendous the best free agent signing obviously in
51:37
Speaker 1: Jaguars story, and one of the best I think if
51:39
Speaker 1: you look around the league in the last couple of years.
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