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SMEAR CAMPAIGN: 'GOSSIP GIRL' BLAKE LIVELY BATTLES CO-STAR JUSTIN BALDONI, SHOCK 'SEX' CLAIMS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace a so called smear campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's Favorite gossip Girl, Blake Lively battles her co star
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  Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni after shot. Sex harassment claims emerge. I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Bombshell lawsuit from Hollywood star Blake Lively alleges co star
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  Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni sexually harassed and orchestrated a smear campaign against Lively.
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  Speaker 1: A smear campaign alleged a campaign against Everyone's Favorite gossip Girl,
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  Speaker 1: Blake Lively.
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  Speaker 3: What we are hearing.
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  Speaker 1: Includes undesired lip biting during sex, sayes sucking on lips,
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  Speaker 1: people barging into her dressing room while she's completely nude
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  Speaker 1: or partially nude, or breast feeding, allowing friends of friends
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  Speaker 1: to watch as she is partially new performing sex scenes
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  Speaker 1: in very vulnerable positions.
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  Speaker 3: What happened? Okay? The name of the movie. It ends
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  Speaker 3: with us from Wayfarer and Sony. Let's just take a peek. Hey, Lily,
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  Speaker 3: you want to do the honors?
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  Speaker 4: No, you go ahead, I need to take it in
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  Speaker 4: from here.
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  Speaker 3: You'd say that, okay, Oho, that's my brother Ryle.
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  Speaker 5: The first official customer.
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  Speaker 1: That is from the official It Ends with Us movie
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  Speaker 1: trailer from Sony Pictures. Before we get into the meat
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  Speaker 1: of this vicious battle in court, I want to go
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  Speaker 1: out to Rob Shooter very quickly, a host of Naughty
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  Speaker 1: but Nice podcast form, a publicist, author of the four
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  Speaker 1: word answer, Rob.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. Rob, you have worked
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  Speaker 3: with so many stars.
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  Speaker 1: I may need to go to a shrink on this,
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  Speaker 1: But do you believe as many of us do you know,
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  Speaker 1: the little people out there watching movies and TV? Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe a star's true persona comes out on the screen.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's a really good question.
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  Speaker 6: I think that the most successful actress and actresses are
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  Speaker 6: playing roles where they can find an element of themselves
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  Speaker 6: in that role, and so I think that's the sort
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  Speaker 6: of golden ticket here. This is what makes them really,
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  Speaker 6: really successful. But we know from day one.
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  Speaker 5: Forget the characters.
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  Speaker 6: These two just did not like each other from day one.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hold on, judge objection not responsive.
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  Speaker 1: I simply asked you one thing, and that is, do
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  Speaker 1: actors and actresses do we see any of their real persona?
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  Speaker 3: That's a yes.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where you went with that. Shooter.
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  Speaker 1: But my point is, did you just see that trill
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  Speaker 1: or with Lively? Because she seems so likable and friendly. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I never knew about Gossip Girls. I guess I was
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  Speaker 1: in law school or practicing law. But my daughter found
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  Speaker 1: it and we've been watching it. You know, in all
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  Speaker 1: those years she was in Gossip Girl, I never heard
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  Speaker 1: a bad word about her.
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  Speaker 3: Rob Shooter. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?
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  Speaker 6: I've heard mixed things about Blake Lively over the years.
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  Speaker 6: I think here it's really difficult because it's hard to
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  Speaker 6: separate her from the characters that she's played, from the
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  Speaker 6: characters that we love, and so I think we want
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  Speaker 6: to believe that she is that person on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: But as we all know, But let me analyze, quote
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  Speaker 1: what you've heard about Blake Lively and all the years
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  Speaker 1: that she has been on camera. Give me two things
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  Speaker 1: negative about what you've heard about her, because I guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you it came from a mean girl. Because I've seen
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  Speaker 1: so many women piling on to Blake Lively.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's tell us. So what are the bad
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  Speaker 3: things you've heard about Blake Lively.
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  Speaker 5: I've heard I've heard she's very controlling, she likes controlling, that.
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  Speaker 3: She likes to rolling. Okay, what's wrong with that? Number two?
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  Speaker 3: What's the other thing.
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  Speaker 6: I hear that she has very very strong opinions and.
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  Speaker 3: Bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, a woman in her opinion, she goes straight
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  Speaker 1: to hell.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what else I've heard.
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  Speaker 6: Too, that now she's married to one of the most
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  Speaker 6: one of the most famous people, successful people in the
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  Speaker 6: entertainment business, she's not frightened to flicks her muscles.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I asked you in all the years that she
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  Speaker 1: was a star on Gossip Girl, whatever else she did,
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  Speaker 1: what you heard about her, And now you're saying that
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  Speaker 1: because she's married to Ryan Reynolds, that she's not afraid
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  Speaker 1: to flex her muscle. To See, that's entirely inconsistent because
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  Speaker 1: what you said before she was controlling and has strong opinions,
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  Speaker 1: but now that she's married to a start, she's controlling
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  Speaker 1: and has strong opinions. See, you can't have your cake
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  Speaker 1: and eat it too well. You heard Blake Lively was
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  Speaker 1: controlling with strong opinions before she got married, and then
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  Speaker 1: when she got married, same thing.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and that's part of her success here.
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  Speaker 6: You've got to be tough in this business. None of
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  Speaker 6: them are wallflowers. She's tough, she's strong, she knows what
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  Speaker 6: she wants.
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  Speaker 5: But now she has.
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  Speaker 3: But how is that bad?
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm running down a rabbit hole with
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  Speaker 1: you and I'm getting nowhere, all right, so far from you, Rob,
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  Speaker 1: sheoter who has your nose and your ear to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: That's the worst thing you got to throw at me
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  Speaker 1: about her. And look, I don't have a dog in
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  Speaker 1: the fight. I'm just analyzing this court case, you know what.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, Let's start at the beginning, when everybody loved everybody.
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  Speaker 7: Listen, this has been a passion project and something that
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  Speaker 7: has been so near and dear to my heart and
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  Speaker 7: so many and it wouldn't happen without you, without your love,
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  Speaker 7: without your support, without you being such huge fans of
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  Speaker 7: the book and caring so much about Lily and her story.
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  Speaker 8: Hello, Blake Lively, here, Colleen Hoover, and it ends with
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  Speaker 8: us is in theaters now, so grab your friends, wear
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  Speaker 8: your florals and head out to see it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, what's the floral?
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Where a floral? Does that mean
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  Speaker 1: a floral print dress? Is that what she's talking to? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: don't have any of those. But that said, that is
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  Speaker 1: from the official Instagram page of the movie. It ends
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  Speaker 1: with us, Now did you see everybody all smiles and
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  Speaker 1: happy and getting along?
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  Speaker 3: How did it go from that? To this?
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  Speaker 9: A bombshell lawsuit filed by Blake Lively against her co
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  Speaker 9: star and director less than two weeks after the movie.
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  Speaker 9: It ends with US leaves theaters having pulled in over
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  Speaker 9: three hundred and fifty million dollars. The lawsuit of legis
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  Speaker 9: sexual harassment and claims that Baldoni exhibited behavior that caused
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  Speaker 9: her severe emotional distress. DMZ reports to the lawsuit states
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  Speaker 9: there was a meeting attended by individuals including Lively, her
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  Speaker 9: husband Ryan Reynolds, Baldoni, and their lawyers to a dress
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  Speaker 9: Lively's claims as well as other cast and crew members,
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  Speaker 9: and to reach an agreement on requirements Lively needed to
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  Speaker 9: continue working on the film.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that smells like trouble in the middle of a project.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have a big meeting about the requirements
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  Speaker 1: necessary to move forward on that project.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So it goes from everyone being totally in love to
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  Speaker 1: a bombshell lawsuit and.
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  Speaker 9: Now this justin Baldoni files a two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 9: million dollar lawsuit against The New York Times over the
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  Speaker 9: investigative article titled we Can Bury Anyone inside a Hollywood
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  Speaker 9: smear Machine. Baldoni and nine other plaintiffs, including publicistm Melissa Nathan,
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  Speaker 9: and Jennifer Abel, are suing The Times for libel and
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  Speaker 9: false line invasion of privacy over the article. The group's
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  Speaker 9: suing includes producers of the movie It Ends with Us,
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  Speaker 9: Jamie Heath and Steve Sorrowitz claim The New York Times
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  Speaker 9: relied on altered communications, stripped of necessary context, and deliberately
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  Speaker 9: spliced to mislead.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Daryl Cohen joining me for I'm
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  Speaker 1: felony prosecutor now high profile civil and defense attorney, Darryl thank.
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  Speaker 3: You for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You've been involved in so many movie scenarios.
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  Speaker 3: It's really hard to.
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  Speaker 1: Make sense of what is the truth that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be decided in court, of course, but when I have
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  Speaker 1: a damning piece of evidence against someone and their defense says, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you took that out of context. Okay, I would have
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  Speaker 1: a field day with that. Yes, I wrote the damning
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  Speaker 1: piece of evidence. I said that, but you took it
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  Speaker 1: out of context. That's what do you make of that?
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  Speaker 10: Well, start, Nancy, this is complete, nothing more than Hollywood.
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  Speaker 10: It's Hollywood all over again. Think Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.
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  Speaker 10: This is nothing more than that. It is out of context,
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  Speaker 10: or it's not out of context.
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  Speaker 1: Cohen, Wait a minute, nothing more than quote Hollywood entered.
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  Speaker 1: I call a two hundred and fifty two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty million dollar lawsuit a lot more than just gossip
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  Speaker 1: in nundo or rumor.
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  Speaker 3: And not only that, when.
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  Speaker 1: Someone takes down or tries to take down, your reputation,
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  Speaker 1: which is really all you've got, once he lose that
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  Speaker 1: technical legal term, you're screwed. If this is true that
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  Speaker 1: Baldoni tried to destroy Lively's reputation, that's a very big deal.
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  Speaker 3: That's all she's got is her reputation.
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  Speaker 10: That's true. But Nancy, she has more than that. She
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  Speaker 10: has a mouth, she has a brain, and she has
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  Speaker 10: a publicity machine. And because of that, whatever he did,
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  Speaker 10: whatever she did, is a fight to the finish. What's
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  Speaker 10: the finish, more films, what's the finish, more parts, more roles,
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  Speaker 10: and stayed in the public eye, and that's.
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  Speaker 5: What this is. Really.
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  Speaker 1: I completely disagree with you to doctor Bethany Marshall joining US.
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  Speaker 1: High profile psychoanalyst out of la and author of deal Breaker.
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  Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock. Doctor Bethany, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. I agree and disagree with
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen. He's an expert in movie relations, movie lawsuits,
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  Speaker 1: that whole shebang. But I think it's more than that,
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  Speaker 1: because claims have been made by Lively that Baldoni would
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  Speaker 1: bust into her trailer when she was completely naked, partially naked, breastfeeding,
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  Speaker 1: that he would He denies all this, that he would
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  Speaker 1: allow friends to watch filming of her in sex scenes
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  Speaker 1: where she's partially naked, also a saying where she is
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  Speaker 1: giving birth naked in a very vulnerable position, as you
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  Speaker 1: can imagine, I would do a backflip. And everybody's trashing
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  Speaker 1: her about bringing in Ryan Riddles her husband.
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  Speaker 3: To a meeting. I'd have to beg my husband not
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  Speaker 3: to kill somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Don't start a big fight for BIG's sake, don't get
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  Speaker 1: us all thrown in jail. Why shouldn't she bring her
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  Speaker 1: husband in? I mean, I think you should Massachwartz. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it.
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  Speaker 8: You know, a nancy part of a healthy marriage is
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  Speaker 8: the couples protect each other, so he's coming in to
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  Speaker 8: protect his wife. I think what's interesting about this movie
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  Speaker 8: is that life imitates art in a way. And Justin
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  Speaker 8: Baldoni is the producer, and he has chosen to produce
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  Speaker 8: a movie about a man who's sexually aggressive and a
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  Speaker 8: woman who decides to end intergenerational domestic violence. This is
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  Speaker 8: his story, it's not hers. She's merely an actress in it.
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  Speaker 8: And so from a psychoanalytic perspective, I would wonder if
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  Speaker 8: this story is near and dear to his heart for
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  Speaker 8: some other reason.
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  Speaker 1: Now, okay, you've lost me. I don't know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I took a note Dr Bethany the irony. I think
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  Speaker 1: this is what you're saying, the.
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  Speaker 3: Irony that this is about. The movie is about a.
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  Speaker 1: Woman victimized, and now there are claims that a woman
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  Speaker 1: is being victimized as part of the movie. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that somebody bursting into your trailer while you're butt
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  Speaker 1: naked telling you you need to lose weight.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Bethany, when I'm working.
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  Speaker 1: My rear end off trying to prosecute a case or
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  Speaker 1: trying to investigate a case.
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  Speaker 3: Now it would hell.
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  Speaker 1: With freeze over before somebody came up to me and
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  Speaker 1: showed me pornography or talked about coworkers' genitals. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing, man?
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  Speaker 3: Do it?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Uh? That's the claims here totally. If somebody walk up.
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  Speaker 1: To you and show you pornography in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: your work day.
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  Speaker 11: No.
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  Speaker 8: But when we think of sexual abuse and sexual harassment,
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  Speaker 8: trying to entice the victim to be stimulated sexually, it's
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  Speaker 8: a part of the offending pattern, which is a word
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  Speaker 8: I use a lot on this show. So showing pornography
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  Speaker 8: is in the hopes that he allegedly could excite her
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  Speaker 8: develop a relationship with her. That's what we call predation, Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: It's being about or what are you saying? Are you
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  Speaker 3: saying that he who denies all.
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  Speaker 1: Of this and has filed his own multimillion dollar lawsuit,
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  Speaker 1: that he would show her porn for what reason?
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  Speaker 3: To excite Arow The woman is breastfeeding.
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  Speaker 1: In our trailer, to doubt she's going to get excited
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  Speaker 1: by a costar show number on his cell phone.
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  Speaker 8: I just want to say about sex addicts, and I'm
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  Speaker 8: not saying he'sa is one.
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  Speaker 3: I've never met him.
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  Speaker 8: But the sex addicts notoriously have a very poor theory
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  Speaker 8: about what's going on in the minds of other people.
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  Speaker 8: They do not track with the thoughts of others. Often
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  Speaker 8: they're so pre octopu pied and distracted with their own
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  Speaker 8: thoughts of sex. They don't track with others, so they
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  Speaker 8: do very inappropriate things that are very offensive.
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  Speaker 9: As the rumor mill begins turning out news stories daily
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  Speaker 9: about the feud between Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, often
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  Speaker 9: discussing the merits of different rumors, Baldoni hires Melissa Nathan.
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  Speaker 3: She's a crisis.
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  Speaker 9: Management PR pro known for her work with Johnny Depp
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  Speaker 9: in his battle with Amber. Heard during the Depp herd
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  Speaker 9: Core battle, rumors arose of an organized social media campaign
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  Speaker 9: against Amber. Heard days after Nathan joins team Balboni. Blake
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  Speaker 9: Lively faces a tax online accusing her of being tone
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  Speaker 9: deaf with regard to her approach to marketing the movie Wow,
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  Speaker 9: what a coinkydink.
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  Speaker 1: In my world of criminal law, there is no such
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  Speaker 1: thing as the coincidence. Straight to high profile PR guru
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  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, a host of Naughty but Nice podcast, author
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  Speaker 1: of the Foreword Answer rob let me understand this. So
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  Speaker 1: days after this person, Melissa Nathan, a PR person public relationsperson, joins.
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  Speaker 3: Justin Baldoni's team.
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  Speaker 1: Suddenly Blake Lively faces the tax online accusing her of
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  Speaker 1: being quote tone deaf. The trashing begins. That's quite the coincidence,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it, Shooter.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no coincidence at all.
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  Speaker 10: Here.
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  Speaker 6: You hire these PR pitopulls to plant bad stories about
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  Speaker 6: your competitors, people that you don't like, people that can
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  Speaker 6: make you look better.
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  Speaker 5: So this is an old story in PR. This is
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  Speaker 5: not new.
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  Speaker 6: It's now being out there the first time in a
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  Speaker 6: long time, really fronts and center.
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  Speaker 5: But this is not new.
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  Speaker 6: And let's remember too, Blake has her own PR machine,
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  Speaker 6: and they're claiming that Justin's claiming that they attacked him.
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  Speaker 6: So this is just a trick of publicists. This is
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  Speaker 6: why you hire a very expensive publicist.
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  Speaker 1: You went way beyond the scope of my question, but
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. So immediately after Baldoni hires Melissa Nathan,
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  Speaker 1: stories emerged throughout the press, and I remember reading some
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  Speaker 1: of them thinking, wow, I've never picked up on that
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  Speaker 1: about Blake Lively, But what do I know? Maybe it's true,
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  Speaker 1: but then take a look at what is alleged about her.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, here's a so called mean girl moment by
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  Speaker 1: Blake Lively.
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  Speaker 11: So, if someone understands the themes of this movie and
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  Speaker 11: they want to really talk to you, what's the best
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  Speaker 11: way for them to be able to talk to you
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  Speaker 11: about this? How would you recommend they go about it?
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  Speaker 8: Like asking for my address or my phone number, or
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  Speaker 8: like my location share.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I could just location share you and then we could.
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  Speaker 1: That's from Jake's take on YouTube. Now did you see
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  Speaker 1: what I just saw? Because I took it to be
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  Speaker 1: that she was joking around, kidding you know, Let's watch
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  Speaker 1: it one more time because I'm not getting any sense
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  Speaker 1: of bad girl here.
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  Speaker 11: So, if someone understands the themes of this movie and
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  Speaker 11: they want to really talk to you, what's the best
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  Speaker 11: way for them to be able to talk to you
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  Speaker 11: about this? How would you recommend they go about it like.
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  Speaker 8: Asking for like my address or my phone number, or like.
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  Speaker 3: My location share. I could just location share you and
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  Speaker 3: then we could.
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  Speaker 1: That's the bombshell that makes Blake Lively a mean girl.
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  Speaker 3: That's again from Jake's take on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now in addition to Rob Shooter, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall and Darryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Linn Shaw is
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  Speaker 1: with me, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, who has shot
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  Speaker 1: to fame in her opposition to all things dirty ditty,
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  Speaker 1: her other life that you don't see on camera. She
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  Speaker 1: created Lynn's Warriors that is committed to ending exploitation of
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  Speaker 1: women and sex trafficking in any form. You know, Linnshaw,
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  Speaker 1: I usually have you join us when we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about sex crimes on girls or women or men. The
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  Speaker 1: exploitation of women is a very nuanced thing.
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  Speaker 3: It comes in many many.
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  Speaker 1: Forms, like, for instance, a woman is shamed because she
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  Speaker 1: gains weight after having a baby.
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  Speaker 3: You know what the twins are seventeen. I just went
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  Speaker 3: on a diet. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Women are shamed because they have strong opinions. They're put
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  Speaker 1: in a position of power and authority, Yet they exercise
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  Speaker 1: power and authority to complete their job. Then they're shamed.
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  Speaker 1: They're evil, they're bitches, they're divas. In my mind, that
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: is exploiting women. You put them up on a pedestal
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: only to tear them down.
• 19:18
  Speaker 12: Nancy, You're absolutely right, But we at the Warriors are
• 19:22
  Speaker 12: based on facts. Obviously, Nancy, you have not been a
• 19:26
  Speaker 12: fan of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Because I
• 19:28
  Speaker 12: just want to mention one thing. It goes back to
• 19:31
  Speaker 12: the nineties. A lot of stories behind the scenes about
• 19:34
  Speaker 12: Blake Lively and her behavior. Now that doesn't mean much.
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: She was much younger than let's fast forward. Here's what
• 19:40
  Speaker 12: I want to say this movie.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: O no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't have to hear
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: what I have to say.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: What behavior in the nineties was supposedly bad?
• 19:50
  Speaker 12: Oh Nancy, please, there have been stories about her for
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: decades where she was very means about you want to
• 19:56
  Speaker 12: interview people interviewing her, she was very starky.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Sorry your business.
• 20:02
  Speaker 12: No, especially a woman, especially if you're a woman. We've
• 20:07
  Speaker 12: got the double standards everybody knows about. Because I'm here
• 20:09
  Speaker 12: to say, it's still a man's world in Hollywood. That's
• 20:13
  Speaker 12: the way it goes. It's a very tough thing. So
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: her reputation has been questioned many times over the last
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: few days.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Words now you can throw out there, Lynn Shaw, she
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: was snarky and mean.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Auntie Grace, she has been thing her to that high school.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Oh no, it was the okay, go ahead.
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: She has been mean. She has been called herself a
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: mean girl by other actresses.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, what, Okay, she was, which I'm not buying into.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: So what that's the worst you've got.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I means to dealing with rapist, serial killers,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: child lessons, and you're.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Telling me she was mean when she was twenty one. Okay,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I am fast forwarding.
• 20:53
  Speaker 12: I am fast forwarding now to some facts that this
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: movie has grown so far three hundred and fifty one
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: million worldld why with a budget of twenty five million.
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: So a lot of these people here are making a
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: lot of money.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: This is a real.
• 21:06
  Speaker 12: Mud slinging case because we deal with real world, real people,
• 21:09
  Speaker 12: real victims. Here's my big question. I want to ask,
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: why wasn't the intimacy coordinator from day one on that set?
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: After going through the meet too, the Harvey Weinstein go
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: back to Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, We'd be here all
• 21:23
  Speaker 12: day if I keep naming the men in Hollywood. Why
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: wasn't he has proof Justin Baldoni he wanted that coordinator
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: on the set. She would not meet with the coordinator.
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: Everybody's got to get these backstreet. She said, you know what,
• 21:36
  Speaker 12: Justin you meet, and he has this in text messages.
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: You meet and when I arrive on the set, you
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: can tell me translate that information directly to me. So
• 21:45
  Speaker 12: how do we know that in his talking to her
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: and translating these sexual scenes and this intimacy that now
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: she's going back and I remind everybody she also The
• 21:56
  Speaker 12: New York Times did not do their job. They took
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: her side her store, they didn't contact him, they didn't
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: question him. I think that's unfair. He was released from
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: his agent, w Emmy William Morrison Devor, the same agent
• 22:09
  Speaker 12: as Blake Lively and her husband, Ryan Reynolds. Why was
• 22:12
  Speaker 12: he You know, you're innocent until proven guilty.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: So I want to go back on something.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: If she's playing something anything that a tag down agency
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: dropping you equals a guilty verdict.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: But hold on, I want to address what you said.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I want facts. We have to get the FAF that's true.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to determine if this smear on her was
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: orchestrated by hitch people of Justin Baldoni's because I've read
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: those texts about quote burying her. Here is another example
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: of Blake Lively being a so called mean girl.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Watch frets on your little boom. Congrats on your little
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: bum bum. By the way, that's from Shirsty Flower's YouTube page. Okay,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: what did I miss? Rub Sheeter? What was wrong with what?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Blake Lively just to say.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think there was anything wrong in that
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: specific answer. However, Nancy, you're not gonna like this. Blake
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: has a history of being difficult to interview. I know
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: lots of reporters, including myself, I don't look forward to
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: talking to Blake Lively on the carpet.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Does that make her a terrible person?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Know?
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: But in this business, in this town, in Hollywood, you're
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: meant to sell your movies, and part of that is
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: selling yourself as well.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: And Blake won't play that game. If that's what she decides,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: good for her. But she doesn't.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: She doesn't play the Hollywood game. And maybe that's the
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: point here. Maybe that's what people are so annoyed.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Crime stories with Natty Grace.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Requirements that are mentioned in the lawsuit include no more
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: adding of sex scenes, oral sex, or on camera climax
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: scene by bl outside the scope of the script. Bl
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: approved when signing on to the project. Sony Pictures, the
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: distributor of the film approved Blake Lively's list.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Joining me in addition to our all star panel.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You've already met, Ashley a Ward Law is joining us PI,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: chief operations officer at Nathan's investigation.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Ashley, thanks for being with us.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: This is when you need a great detective or investigator
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like yourself, because what is the truth now. We've got
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of damning or what we believe to be
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: damning text messages that were back and forth, back and forth,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: back and forth on Justin Baldoni's team claiming to barry
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Barry Blake Lively and they follow online. Oh there's so
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: much negative reporting on her. It's awesome. You know we
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: can be marry anyone. But I can't put that in writing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: For Pete's say, imagine if a document saying all that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: ends up in the wrong hands, we can't actually write
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: we will destroy her by the way, as they writing,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I'm having reckless thoughts of wanting to plant pieces this
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: week of how horrible Blake is to work with. But
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: my question to you is how do you go about
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: proving this?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Ashley? Where do I get the information?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I guess I would start with this thirty point document
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that emerged from the meeting where Lively brings her husband
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: rentals and they have it out with Baldoni about what
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: will and will not be tolerated on set.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: That's a great place to start.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Or why are crew members unfollowing or not following Baldoni
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and they are following her?
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Where would you start?
• 25:56
  Speaker 13: Well, let's be clear, Nancy, the evidence is definitely going
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: to speak for ourselves. Okay, when it comes to take
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: messages or any digital type of evidence, nowadays, it's really.
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: Hard to believe what you see, like.
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: A screenshot or something along those lines. For a PI,
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: we would have to take it a little farther and say, okay,
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: we're not going to take these springshots. We're actually going
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: to do something called a data extraction where we take
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: a mobile device or a laptop or whatever type of
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: electronic device and actually pull the files directly from that
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: device along with metadata right to look at the time
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: and date them. Because again, screenshots can be manipulated. That's
• 26:38
  Speaker 13: just the reality we live in nowadays. So again, a PI,
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: we're going to have to take it a step further.
• 26:43
  Speaker 13: We can't just take a screenshot and give it to
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: an attorney and say, hey, this is what we have
• 26:48
  Speaker 13: for you, we have to go further.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You know what, You're so right, Ashley Ashley Wardlock joining
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: US veteran private investigator. I would go to everybody that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: worked on that set with a subpoena and a subpoena
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: ducas tikam for documents or as you're saying, text messages,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: emails that may have gone back and forth regarding what
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: was happening on the set. And I'd like to point
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: out to Rob Shooter and Lyn Shaw want you to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: hear this. It sounds like what you were saying about
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Blake Lively not wanting an intimacy coordinator on the set
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: is just another plant against her, because I've got the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: document what purports to be the document that she submitted
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: her demands and number eighteen of that thirty point list
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is an intimacy coordinator must be on set for all
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: scenes involving nudity and or simulated sex, and must have
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a monitor to ensure compliance.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So this is Blake Lively's request.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, let's go through this thirty point request. What
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: do you make no spontaneous improvised In other words, don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: bite my lip and suck on it during kissing scenes.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Physical touching must only be done in connection with the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: character and scene work. No discussion with lively of personal
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: experiences with sex or nudity.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: What I mean, Rob Shearter, I had.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: The same investigator for eleven years. Okay, we did everything together.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We only ever had one fight over O. J. Simpson
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. That said, I would think somebody had
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: killed him and was wearing his skin if he made
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a sex comment or tried to show me porn. He
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't even think to do that. And she has
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to put this in a document. Don't show me any
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: more porn. Please, don't talk about genitalia or your sex life.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: She had to put that in writing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it sounds awful, doesn't it? When if he'll
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: tell you.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: This documents many, many times. It's pretty standard when you
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: sign up a big star. Often celebrities that are not
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: that famous don't have this much power, but Blake certainly does.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: They can have clauses in their contracts, no nudity, no
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: shots from behind.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: What's interesting about.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: This to me is that the movie business, the music business,
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: it's a messy business. And you and me, Nancy and
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: our jobs, we are not having sets on camera. They are,
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: and so because the job is so unusual, the job
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: is so intimate.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Being an actor is such.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: An odd profession that these conversations need to be had.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: I think where he let her down is not just
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: as an actor. He was the producer. It was his
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: job to have a safe set. And if she insisted
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: on all these all these details as a producer, if
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: he agreed to that, which he did, then she had
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: every right to have all her demands met. So I
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: think she's got quite a strong case against him here
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: as somebody who was really not just the star of
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: the movie.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: He also was the producer. It's his movie.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Justin Baldoni.
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: Working with this, crisis management pr specialist Melissa Nathan sent
• 30:24
  Speaker 14: examples of a viral social media thread accusing another celebrity
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: of bullying, writing this is what we would need. According
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: to the New York Times report, Nathan soon floated proposals
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: to hire contractors to dominate social media through full social
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: account takedowns, by starting threads of theories and generally working
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: to change narrative. All of this would be most importantly untraceable.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: She wrote, Wow, okay, decipher that I'm only used to
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Latin phrases and lawyers throwing around legal terms to Rob Sheeter,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: what are they saying.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: They're saying that he hired a PRT to trash Blake Lively,
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: and I think that is going to be hard to
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: prove not true. Shortly after this PR team was hired,
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: lots of stories started to pop up.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: They were really.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Unflattering about Blake. Now I've been doing this a long time, Nancy.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: I would argue that eighteen ninety percent of the calls
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: that I get are publicists trying to spread a rumor
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: or something something mean.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: And I think that this looks like it's pretty clear here.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Shortly after his PR experts started, we started to see
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: really tough stories about her. I've got to say, though, Nancy,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: this is awful, but it's not unusual.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yll Okay, and I thought the law was a big
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: sty Okay, this was a big mistake as well.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I find it really interesting.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Let me go out to Ashley Ward Law, private Investigator
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Chief Operation Officer Nathan's investigations.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Actually, I was wondering, how.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Did they get ahold of these alleged texts? Okay, how
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: did they get Baldoni's texts. How did they get his
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: PR team's text? Well, as it turns out, and correct
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Everybody on the panel, someone on
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: his PR team either quit or got fired and made
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: those texts available to Blake Lively's camp.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: That's where the text came from.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: No need for a subpoena, talk about a smoking gun.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: This is a bullet for Pete's sake.
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: Ashley, Yes, yes, text messages could be detrimental to a case.
• 32:40
  Speaker 13: I would say, you're right, those messages would have had
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: to be leaked, especially if they weren't present in court
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: or you know, a subpoena was an issue already.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Again, you can't believe a screenshot.
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: So someone may have sent this over and said, hey,
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: here's what I have for you guys to use. But
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: the only way to reduce those text messages is to
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: really do a data extraction and show the entire, the
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: entire thread of tech messages, not just from one end,
• 33:05
  Speaker 13: but everything in full.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, Daryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Darryl this is a yes
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: no answer.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're on cross right now. Don't try to explain.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: We know about attorney client privilege we know priest, parishioner,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: we know husband wife. There is no PR guru client privilege.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: If you say things to your PR person or your
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: media team, they can state that in court. And here's
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a hard learned lesson. Remember when Monica Lewinsky's mother, I
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: believe it was, had to testify in front of a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: grand jury. There's no mom daughter privilege, much less a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: PR guru client privilege.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: So you know, all bets are off.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: This PR person could hand over these texts.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: To anybody that answered.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: She's under no duty of confidentiality, is she unless they
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: signed one, unless.
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: She has a non disclosure, She's not under a duty.
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: But what must happen is it must happen in context. Yes,
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: these are available. Yes they can be used, but they
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: can also be abused. Don't get mad get even make
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: sure that the publicist is well coached and knows how
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: to explain what happened and why if it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Ever gets o Oh wait, hey, Darryl, look at your screen.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I don't like this. Had you she was off promoting
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it as if it was Barbie.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: It's just based on things that she said directly. Whoa
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: look at what.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: They're saying about her of course that's not a crime.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But if she can show this damaged her business and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: her credibility and her reputation, yeah, they're up the proverbial
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: creek without a paddle. Of course, Baldonian his team claim
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: none of this is true and it has been taken
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: out of context. Well we'll see, because there are two
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: more million dollar lawsuits brewing.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Now, this was a.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Bad move, and apparently there is a digital footprint of this,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: a trail, so to speak.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: They dragged in Taylor Swift.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Uh oh.
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: Taylor Swift is mentioned in the lawsuit twice, namely in
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: a scenario planning document that was written by Baldoni's PR
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: team at TAG PR, headed up by Melissa Nathan. In
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: the document, a discussion of ways to possibly target Lively
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: in the press in a negative manner is explored. The
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: scenario planning document states that TAG could also explore planting
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: stories about the weaponization of feminism and how people in
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: Lively circle, like Taylor Swift, have been accused of utilizing
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: these tactics to bully into getting what they want. Taylor
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: Swift is mentioned a second time in an alleged message
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: from Melissa and Nathan to Jennifer abel, a public relations executive.
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: In the message, Nathan talks about Blake Lively's fan base
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: while talking about a meal social media plan that would
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: help suppress negative content about Baldoni and amplify negative content
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: about Lively. Nathan notes that because Lively and Swift are
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: close friends, the actress has the support of Swift's fans.
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: Nathan points out that Lively does have some of the
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: Swift fan base, so we will be taking it extremely
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: seriously to a.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: High profile psychoanalysts joining us out of Beverly Hills, doctor
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. You see what's happening here, So if it's true,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and Baldoni says it's not, a takedown on Blake Lively.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Was happening, and they wrote in another.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Famous woman, Taylor Swift, to make her seem like she
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: bullies people to get what she wants.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, you see the common thread here.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Two beautiful, successful and powerful women are being dragged down
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: because they're quote mean, Who cares you, Nancy?
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: If we were covering a rape case, would we see
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: the woman deserved be raped because she wore a short skirt,
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: or she was in the wrong part of town, or
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: we didn't like her personality. No, a rape is a rape.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: This is such a common pattern in Hollywood. Think about
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: Harvey Weinstein. What happened when you're harassed women and they
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: start have to tell you think their careers. P Diddy,
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: which we've been covering, has been all over the news.
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: What was a part of his offending pattern? If a
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: woman or a man stood up to him, he would harass,
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: he would stalk, he would try to take down their reputations.
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: So this pattern is so common I urge everybody to
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: see it. In terms of whether or not Blake Lively
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: is mean, it has nothing to do with it. The
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: viewers should ask themselves if they wrote like a bad
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: email at work, does their boss deserve to harass.
• 37:49
  Speaker 12: Them for it?
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's just like a huge logic flaw. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: we also know, Nancy, there are no pure victims. There
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: aren't because there are no pure people all of us.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I don't get doctor Bethany.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: If your coworker comes to you and says, hey, this
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: thing you're doing bothers me, will you not do it?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, with all the money writing on this movie,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why he wouldn't just say, if this
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: is all true, by the way, you know what, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I did that. I screwed up. I'm not doing that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of now we've got all these multimillion dollar lawsuits
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  Speaker 1: playing out to lyn Shaw joining me founder executive director
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  Speaker 1: Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending human trafficking and protecting specifically
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  Speaker 1: women and girls. What do you make of it now
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  Speaker 1: that you know? In her thirty point doc she demanded
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  Speaker 1: an intimacy coordinator on the set.
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  Speaker 12: Nancy, she demanded it, but she did not meet with
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  Speaker 12: the intimacy coordinator. So that's something everybody should be looking at.
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  Speaker 12: Why didn't she meet again? She said to Justin, you
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  Speaker 12: go ahead and I'll meet the coordinator when I get
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  Speaker 12: to the set. You get all the information, let you
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  Speaker 12: let me discuss it. But here's what I want to say.
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  Speaker 12: So that's really bothering me. And I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 12: I wish we could flip this around. This movie was
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  Speaker 12: about domestic violence, a woman's relationship, a woman's worth, a
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  Speaker 12: woman owning a business, a young woman. You know why
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  Speaker 12: I wish in this movie they focused on doing some
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  Speaker 12: good for domestic violence victims, you know, putting that out there. Now,
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  Speaker 12: what do we have we have this big I don't
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  Speaker 12: know what to call this whole thing. My focus is
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  Speaker 12: on the real victims, the real victims in real life
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  Speaker 12: that we never talk about, that were not helping.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, Lincha, you know I'm glad you said that.
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  Speaker 1: For nine years of the ten plus years I prosecuted,
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  Speaker 1: at night, I volunteered, as you know, at the Batter
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  Speaker 1: Women's Center, and it was excruciating to hear what domestic
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  Speaker 1: violence and.
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  Speaker 3: Victims go through.
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  Speaker 1: By the time I got them in court, they were
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  Speaker 1: either dead or they were maimed like a broken hip
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  Speaker 1: or a broken leg or a broken collar bone as
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  Speaker 1: part of an aggravated battery from domestic assault.
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  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: I want to make it clear that Baldoni's reps have
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  Speaker 1: denied all of these claims, and they're thinking to Darryl Cohen,
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  Speaker 1: and what they're saying is that this lawsuit and everything
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  Speaker 1: Lively is doing now is her attempt to rehabilitate her
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  Speaker 1: reputation after it came out she was a quote mean girl.
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  Speaker 10: I completely believe that that is the case. But also, Nancy,
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  Speaker 10: it's about the box It's about box office.
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  Speaker 5: It's about ticket sales.
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  Speaker 10: Not just locally, not nationally, but internationally. And the more publicity,
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  Speaker 10: the more pressed, the more lawsuits that are involved, the
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  Speaker 10: more tickets that are sold, and it makes it much
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: easier for her next role and the role after that,
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  Speaker 10: because there's always a place for mean girls and good
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  Speaker 10: girls and bad girls and bad guys. That's just the
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  Speaker 10: way Hollywood works. It always has and likely always will.
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  Speaker 3: What is the truth? There are dueling lawsuits.
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  Speaker 1: We won't know until this finally goes to court, and
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  Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds.
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  Speaker 3: Nancy Gray signing off Goodbye Friend,