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Mankind vs Modern Feminism on X | International Men's Day X Space · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian and this is uh.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's the fireside Chat, but I'm doing something a
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  Speaker 2: little bit different because the guest I'm speaking to is
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  Speaker 2: on X, so we're gonna be doing X spaces, so
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  Speaker 2: that means I'm also opening up the floor to anybody
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  Speaker 2: else who wants to, you know, chime in with their thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: It is, after all, International Men's Day. And you'll only
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  Speaker 2: know that because well you either are already in the
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  Speaker 2: loop on this stuff or I just told you and
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  Speaker 2: I can prove it. Just go to Google and see
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  Speaker 2: if there's a doodle up and that's how you know.
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  Speaker 2: So coming with joining me here on the show is
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  Speaker 2: mankind versus modern feminism. That's your X name, right, Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the show. Yeah, yeah, sure, it's good to have you. You're
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if like guys, can you hear them? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: because you might be a little bit low. Do you
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  Speaker 2: have like a way to turn your mic up or something?
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  Speaker 3: Does the sound okay?
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  Speaker 1: I could just oh no, you're good, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're good. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking at the levels and they were
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  Speaker 2: a little lope, but you're You're fine, all right. So
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  Speaker 2: let me just so, I just happened to notice that
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  Speaker 2: you have been, like, you know, posting some pretty good
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  Speaker 2: stuff on your on your page, and uh specifically like
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  Speaker 2: you know, talking I guess, talking about men's issues and
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  Speaker 2: also critiquing the sort of predominant paradigm, which is the
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  Speaker 2: feminist paradigm. And I thought that was interesting because there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people, a lot more people are like
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  Speaker 2: sort of adding to that conversation. So I was curious,
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  Speaker 2: how how do you come across this stuff, like what's
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  Speaker 2: your red pill story?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure it was with red pill. I
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  Speaker 3: come with this from a position or pro natalism. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a father, I have a couple of boys, I'm divorced,
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  Speaker 3: I have them half time. And I come with this
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  Speaker 3: from a perspective of and I always have in intersectual
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  Speaker 3: relationships between man and women, that the family really matters,
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  Speaker 3: that it's the core probably of Western democracy as a whole,
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  Speaker 3: That the stability of that family matters, that kids matter,
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  Speaker 3: that marriage matters. And I guess the way that I
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  Speaker 3: came to this was as a function of some failed
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  Speaker 3: relationships or a time figuring out why they failed, and
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  Speaker 3: then an absolutely savage divorce experience that that was debilitating, injurious, incredibly,
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  Speaker 3: incredibly painful, and I had no idea why it was happening.
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  Speaker 3: I had no clue what was going on. I had
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  Speaker 3: heard of the silver ball that I knew that nasty
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  Speaker 3: divorces happened, But I think, like every guy, thought to myself,
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  Speaker 3: well that can't happen to me because I'm not doing
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  Speaker 3: anything to deserve it. And it's not that I was
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  Speaker 3: a perfect man. I wasn't. But I wasn't hurting anybody.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't hitting anybody. I wasn't screaming at anybody. And
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  Speaker 3: so I didn't understand, particularly after my divorce, why things
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  Speaker 3: had to get so nasty and why things happened the
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  Speaker 3: way they did. So my red pill, my education on
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  Speaker 3: this began as I was trying to figure out why
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  Speaker 3: things were going so badly. My expouse involved children, involved
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  Speaker 3: child protective services a number of times, and they were
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  Speaker 3: in our lives for oh I'd say almost two years
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  Speaker 3: at one point, constantly hunting, constantly search even when they
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  Speaker 3: had no concerns. They were hanging around. Our kids were
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  Speaker 3: struggling at school. That's how eventually this kind of happened,
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  Speaker 3: and there was emotional abuse in some physical abuse in
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  Speaker 3: our relationship. I didn't call her abuse at the time.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't call it what it was, and I thought
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  Speaker 3: that I was doing everybody a favor because realistically, if
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  Speaker 3: you're being abused, you have to leave. I even knew
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  Speaker 3: that at the time, and so I was being My
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  Speaker 3: ex spouse had depression, she had anxiety, generalized anxiety disorder,
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  Speaker 3: she had major depressive disorder. They checked her for a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of other things. There was discussions about borderline personality
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  Speaker 3: disorder that I suspect in hindsight are true, although that
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  Speaker 3: was never diagnosed to assess she was medicated. She was volatile,
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  Speaker 3: She was passionate, which was what initially drew me to her. Beautiful, small,
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  Speaker 3: you know, five foot high, very feminine. But once we
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  Speaker 3: married and moved in together, things started to get really
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  Speaker 3: rough and she started getting handsy, which I tolerated for
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  Speaker 3: some time, and I thought, yeah, you know what, she's
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  Speaker 3: not injuring me. I could take it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, handsy is in like trying to slap and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the first time she did it, I was on
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  Speaker 3: the phone with a colleague, a female colleague, and I
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  Speaker 3: am I employ something in all my business conversations called
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  Speaker 3: the human business human model. You know, it was not
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  Speaker 3: a long time ago. So you started by saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: how's your day, right, and then you get to your
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  Speaker 3: business question, and then at the end of this a
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  Speaker 3: few moments you simply have a conversation about whatever commonalities
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  Speaker 3: people may have. I'm a guy that doesn't come naturally
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  Speaker 3: to me. I like to get straight to business, and
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  Speaker 3: so I've adopted this model. And at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the conversation, I was having a just a brief moment
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  Speaker 3: of where I said, oh yeah, you know this was
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  Speaker 3: back in I think twenty fifteen. Oh yeah, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: burning a lot of my CDs to digital because the
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  Speaker 3: age of the CD is done. And the female colleague
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  Speaker 3: that I was speaking to said, oh, yeah, I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: the same. And what I didn't realize is that my
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  Speaker 3: wife at the time was standing by a door in
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  Speaker 3: our home. I was in our homeworking. I was self employed,
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  Speaker 3: and when she heard me having this conversation with this
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  Speaker 3: female colleague, she became raged, came down demanded my phone,
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  Speaker 3: which I hung up on right away. I'm like what
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  Speaker 3: the hell's going on? And as soon as I hang
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  Speaker 3: up the phone, she just slapped me. So there was
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  Speaker 3: an element of physical violence in the relationship at that point,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought, okay, it's a one off, but no,
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  Speaker 3: it happened a few more times. This was about two
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  Speaker 3: years after we married in twenty thirteen, and so things
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  Speaker 3: had been emotionally volatile. I wouldn't have called them abusive,
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  Speaker 3: but now looking back, I would say it was because
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  Speaker 3: I'm out of the relationship at this point, and that's
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  Speaker 3: pretty common for men where they won't call it abuse,
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  Speaker 3: perhaps not even when they're out of the relationship. But
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  Speaker 3: it certainly was emotionally abusive and became physically abusive. She
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  Speaker 3: slapped me three times. Then she tossed a suitcase over
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  Speaker 3: a set of stairs on top of my head. She
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  Speaker 3: would regularly say that if I didn't leave the house,
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  Speaker 3: because she would say that I had to leave, that
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  Speaker 3: she was going to call the police and make something up.
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  Speaker 3: She threatened false allegations a number of times. She was
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  Speaker 3: medicaid for a brief period of time and things got
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  Speaker 3: a little bit better, and then she stopped taking her
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  Speaker 3: meds and things went off the rails in twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 3: and they went off the rails really quickly. False allegations began,
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  Speaker 3: alienation from the kids, kind of you know, aggression that
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  Speaker 3: was targeted towards the kids, and I didn't understand when
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  Speaker 3: of this was happening. I researched borderline personality disorder. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I did all my reading right, and I thought, okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: we'll fight through this. But it wasn't going to work,
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  Speaker 3: and so eventually, in September of twenty eighteen, I fled.
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  Speaker 3: I left the home on an afternoon on adviceive a
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  Speaker 3: lawyer that I talked to, saying, hey, what the hell
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  Speaker 3: is going on? And after the physical abuse and the
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  Speaker 3: emotional abuse, at the end of it all, the fifth
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  Speaker 3: time she had assaulted me, which would have been in
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  Speaker 3: the spring of twenty eighteen, I pushed her back and
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  Speaker 3: at that point I said to her, we have to
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  Speaker 3: figure this out, because it's one thing if you're hitting me,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not you. I'm big, I'm strong, and I
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  Speaker 3: was not okay with her hitting me. I wasn't okay
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  Speaker 3: with her hitting me, but I thought I could deal.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I could take it. I never thought that
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  Speaker 3: I would respond, ever, but the fifth time that she
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  Speaker 3: did it to me. I didn't even think. I just
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  Speaker 3: pushed her back and she ended up on the floor.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't pursue her, you know, didn't chase her, nothing, just
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  Speaker 3: pushed after she slapped me. And she weaponized that pretty
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  Speaker 3: much right away, and I chalked up a piece of
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  Speaker 3: it to borderline personalities or when I've had Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 3: if I leave, it'll end. If I just leave, it'll stop.
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  Speaker 3: And so I left in the fall of twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 3: and it actually got way worse. That's when chot predicted
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  Speaker 3: services was engaged. She went to CPS and she made
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  Speaker 3: claims about me hurting the kids, hurting her. I found
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  Speaker 3: in the CPS records later at trial that they actually
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  Speaker 3: had no parenting concerns with me at all. None. They
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  Speaker 3: actually wrote down that they had no parenting concerns with me,
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  Speaker 3: and yet they kept the investigation of them for a
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  Speaker 3: year hunting just devastating to have a CPS investigation over
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  Speaker 3: for a year based on false allegations, allegations of physicalviolence,
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  Speaker 3: allegations of emotional violence, allegations of alienation, allegations of sexual misconduct,
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  Speaker 3: allegations of course to control, allegations of financial abuse. And
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised at that, knowing what BPD looks like,
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  Speaker 3: like I had done enough to know kind of what
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  Speaker 3: I might be facing. But what I was shocked at,
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  Speaker 3: and this is what started me kind of looking in
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  Speaker 3: more so into what was going on, was that everyone
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  Speaker 3: believed her.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody Now that shock you, Oh it.
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  Speaker 3: Can I curse?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: It fucking astonished me. I would show people evidence that
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  Speaker 3: what was being said was a lie. They would refuse
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  Speaker 3: to look at it. I would say, to Chop Protective Services,
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  Speaker 3: that's a lie, and I can show you the truth,
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  Speaker 3: and they would say, well, it doesn't matter because we're
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  Speaker 3: not an evidence based organization. We're a probability organization and
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  Speaker 3: we're making decisions based on probability, right. And I said
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  Speaker 3: to them in writing it in person, I said to
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  Speaker 3: CPS a number of times, but it didn't happen, and
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  Speaker 3: I can prove it, and they would actually say to me,
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  Speaker 3: we're not an evidence based organization. And I said, then
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  Speaker 3: what are you like, what are you doing here if
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  Speaker 3: you're not an evidence based organization? And I did not
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  Speaker 3: understand at the time what the hell was going on.
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  Speaker 3: Every single worker at CPS a total of five over
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  Speaker 3: the course of about eighteen months lied. I found out
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  Speaker 3: later at Toronto lied about me in the file, documented
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  Speaker 3: that I was a problematic firearms owner that had been
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  Speaker 3: reported to the police. This was never true. Documented that
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  Speaker 3: I had been charged with domestic violence. That was never true,
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  Speaker 3: documented that what were some of the other claims that
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  Speaker 3: they had documented in essence, that I was a criminal
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  Speaker 3: that I had, you know, had been investigated for domestic violence.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they were concerned that I had firearms, had none.
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  Speaker 3: I was a firearms under prior, but my spouse had
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  Speaker 3: made me get rid of all my firearms. They made
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  Speaker 3: her uncomfortable time. So I said, finally go to them.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to, but I did. I couldn't hunt
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  Speaker 3: it anymore, but that's fine. I wanted to save my marriage. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And so the CPS folks documented. I was paralyzed by
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  Speaker 3: what they were doing because not only they couldn't find anything,
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  Speaker 3: but every single one of them lied. Every single one
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  Speaker 3: of them supported my ex spouse. Every single one of
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  Speaker 3: them negatively impacted my ability to parent. Every single one
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  Speaker 3: of them was gung ho for her. It was clearly,
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  Speaker 3: almost almost entirely opposed to my existence m H. And
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  Speaker 3: I could understand that because when when CPS first got involved,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, finally we're going to get some neutral
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  Speaker 3: arborris here, Finally we're going to get some people who
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  Speaker 3: can bring some I'm sandy to this. I mean, these
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  Speaker 3: people have been trained to their university educated. They're intelligent people.
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  Speaker 3: They will shut this down. They didn't shut it down,
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  Speaker 3: they were just fuel on the fire.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
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  Speaker 3: I began to think, how can these people, these university
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  Speaker 3: educated people, How is it possible for these intelligent people
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  Speaker 3: to lie like this, know that they're lying, and still
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  Speaker 3: do it. How is it possible for them to look
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  Speaker 3: me in the eye lie to me like how is
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  Speaker 3: this happening? And why is it so universal in this situation?
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  Speaker 3: And so I went beyond researching into what was happening
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  Speaker 3: with my expose and what illness might be contributing to
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  Speaker 3: her to her treatment of me, into why these people
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  Speaker 3: would would act this way. And it was around that
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  Speaker 3: time that a doctor I think she's a professor at
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  Speaker 3: the University of New Mexico. Her name is doctor Tanya Reynolds,
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  Speaker 3: published a paper called Man Up and Take It Gender
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  Speaker 3: All right, So.
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  Speaker 3: I put it in the X space, So I'm on
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  Speaker 1: Oh I see, okay, let me see if.
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  Speaker 3: There should be a linkern at of science direct dot
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  Speaker 3: com to doctor Tonya Reynold's article.
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  Speaker 2: I can also, yeah, dm it to me, that might
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  Speaker 2: be better. Yeah, yeah, thank you, and welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, we'll see. Yeah, there goes Okay, science this to.
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  Speaker 3: Me while you're putting it up. This to me was
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  Speaker 3: an extraordinary article because this then led me to take
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  Speaker 3: a look at evolutionary biology, which is the construct from
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  Speaker 3: which I approach most of my work. Now, now, I've
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  Speaker 3: always been a fan of evolutionary biology. I'm a polymath.
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  Speaker 3: Is it relates evolutionary biology? I have no formal training.
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  Speaker 3: My formal training in the university within psychology, and so
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  Speaker 3: evolutionary biology was not popular in the humanities, never has been,
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  Speaker 3: now less so than ever. But when I took a
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  Speaker 3: look at this, and thank good, as Google in that
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  Speaker 3: day was not as transparent about their wocism and progressivesm
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  Speaker 3: a couple of other pieces began to come up. Segur
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  Speaker 3: and berrious gamble bias came up, doctor Alis Egan's women
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  Speaker 3: are wonderful bias also came up. And there was other
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  Speaker 3: research that came up that showed that this is actually universal,
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  Speaker 3: that that this kind of strange imbalance is cross cultural,
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  Speaker 3: cross socioeconomic status. It's everywhere. And I've heard the term
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  Speaker 3: dan of centrism before, but I dismissed the term dan
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  Speaker 3: of centrism. I didn't fully dismiss it. I'm aware that
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  Speaker 3: chivalry exists, and I just thought it was chivalry, right.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, well, you know, men are stronger, and
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  Speaker 3: so we put women first. But what I didn't realize
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  Speaker 3: before I began looking into this kind of work was
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  Speaker 3: that there's actually extraordinarily deep evolutionary roots in all of this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that all that's required to set it off. All that's
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  Speaker 3: required is competition or conflict between men and women. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: If men spend their time mainly with men and women
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  Speaker 3: spend their time mainly with women. And that's not to
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  Speaker 3: say what can't be legal egals. That's just to say
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  Speaker 3: that there was a time when this was the case,
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  Speaker 3: when men spent much of their time with men. We
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  Speaker 3: had kind of gender assigned roles. I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 3: that was good. I'm not saying it was bad. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just saying it was At that point, this kind of
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  Speaker 3: stuff couldn't really get traction because it's fired by competition
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  Speaker 3: or conflict between men and women. And so it's something
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  Speaker 3: that existed in a one one relationship between a man
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  Speaker 3: and a woman, but it didn't necessarily explode like it
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  Speaker 3: did with me and my expose because there was no audience.
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  Speaker 3: But once you have an audience, there is this proclivity
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  Speaker 3: to elevate the woman and to denegrate the men. And
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  Speaker 3: it's not just a claim. It's not just saying goddess centrism.
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  Speaker 3: This is rooted in our evolutionary biology. There's no meaningful
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  Speaker 3: question that it's part of our sexually dimorphic evolutionary psychology.
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  Speaker 3: It's there. But because everybody in the system, whether it
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  Speaker 3: be child protective services or whether it be a judge
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  Speaker 3: of trial, they've all come up to the humanities, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: none of them have ever heard of this.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: So the people who are making the decisions about what's
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  Speaker 3: going to happen to you and your kids have no
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  Speaker 3: education at all, and refuse to look at any education
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  Speaker 3: at all about how corrupt and prejudiced and biased the
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  Speaker 3: system actually is, particularly in the context of false allegations
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  Speaker 3: from women related to parenting. The silver bullet. It's why
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  Speaker 3: the silver bullet works so well is because it's triggering
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  Speaker 3: an evolutionary compulsion. And that evolutionary compulsion, doctor Tonia Reynolds
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  Speaker 3: has it mainly correct. And again, I'm a polymath, she's
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  Speaker 3: an evolutionary, right, so she's got the certifications behind you.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: What doctor Tony Renolds looked at, and what segram Barry
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: looked at, and what doctor Alice Eveley looked at was
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: intersexual relationships between men and women. They didn't necessarily include children.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: But what it comes down to, and this is why
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the work is partially right, is that there is a hierarchy,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: an evolutionary hierarchy there. And this is what really red
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: tiled me, if you want to call it, is discovering
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: that and this just makes perfect sense. And anybody who
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: lives can can take a look at lived experience and
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: realize this. Children come first, women come next, men come last,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: if at all. Yeah, but that's not a social construct.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Is the problem that's always been called out, even in
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: my own education, as a social construct, right, not a
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: social construct, It's an evolved compulsion. Yes, we can't escape it. Now,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: we can escape it if we know about it. But
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: what this means is that in any environment where men
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: and women compete, women are going to win.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I see where you're coming from it. Yeah, no,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: for sure, for sure, we've talked about We've talked about
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that on our show many times.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So that that was like, he gave me a lot.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: But that's cool.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I appreciate the story, but I want to, okay, not
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that not that it matters that much, because ultimately it doesn't.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You are you know obviously, well you've done good research
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: from what I can tell, well read you know, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: everything else. But I'm wondering, just out of curiosity, you
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: seem a little I don't know, like, do the terms
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: red pill and ginocentrism like bother you maybe because of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the way they're perceived online or something accurate you think
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: they're inaccurate.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think those terms are actually smaller than what
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the real problem is. I don't think that centrism actually
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: covers it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Do you think, okay, so okay, So the.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Problem is actually bigger than what centrism.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: You don't think it covers enough of it, it's not
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: un't think it's sufficient.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I think that what's going on is that we have
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: an elephant in the room and what we're doing is
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: we're moving from couch to couch describing the elephant. And
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: one person is sitting near the head is describing the trunk,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: and then the other person is sitting at the back
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: is describing the tail and a pile of crap on
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: the floor right. And so I think that there's a
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: very large elephant in the room, and I think that
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: we're describing pieces of it, and I think that that
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: it's very big and it's very difficult to see, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: we break it up into pieces so we can eat
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: it so we can understand it. But there's something much
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: bigger going on here than just like the challenge, for example,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: kind of centrist. The challenge I had with that is
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: that it's an assumption that we put women first. Right now,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that's kind of telling.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: That's a little bit of a I think it might
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: because it is a bit, because I think there's a
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: lot and look again, to me, I don't really care
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: what word we use. I don't care about that stuff,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: but ultimately I don't. But I just want to make
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: sure that we're all like like coming at this from
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the same place. So yeah, yeah, I'm not offended by
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: using them or not using them.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I know that there's been a lot
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: of like debate about you know, what it means. But
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to me, I think that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: The evolutionary desire or instinct to put like of this
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: hierarchy of protecting children and then women and then you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: like and then men being last or at least expecting
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: them to be to some to you know, expendable. I
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: think that there there is it is an evolved thing,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and I think that that is like something we're not
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: going to shake, like, you know, easily. But I do
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: think though, what I don't think that that's ginocentrism is
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: making that claim or at least when when people talk
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: about it. I think that what ginocentrism is is claiming
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: is that above and beyond the natural state of things,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: like what is like evolution that can't really be changed,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: there is an exploitation of that instinct and putting it
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: like let's say, putting it into unreasonable or like irrational places,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: which is like sort So it's like there's a combination
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of nurture and nature going on. And I think there's
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a nurturing of the of the instinct in men by
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: telling them, you know, like you you have to do.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: This is why we have like a dating market now
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: where you know, women can have extremely unreasonable expectations of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the men they want to date and men don't question it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: They just try to live up to it and they
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: compete with each other to do it because they think
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that it does. Or if you have like I think,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you know, like say there's a woman in the in
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the workforce, she's a journalist and she gets criticized or
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: insulted in some way, and the person doing it as
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a man, then like you can write a whole story
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: around how that woman was abused and everyone will come
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to that, you know, to the aid of that, or
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: it manifests in other ways.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And I think that that is based on what we
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: would call.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Romantic chivalry, even if it isn't necessarily romantic in the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: sense of you're trying to pursue someone to be a partner,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: but just like seeing women as a romantic object that
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: we are a romantic subject rather that we you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: take extra steps to take care of or look out for,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and even to the point where women supersede children too,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: as you can see with your story of Yeah, so
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: that this it's where it's it's not like the initial instinct,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like that's not going away, but like where it gets
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: lost in you know, where you're you're basically like, you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the the last election in the United States.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're American, but.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: The last election of the United States was decided, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: on one side of it was you know, people thinking
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: about immigration and the economy and jobs and industry and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: all this and foreign wars they didn't want to be
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: involved in. On the other side, it was just abortion.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So it's literally a campaign on what women want over
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the interests of children, namely the unborn. And that was
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: like that was how much of a deciding factor it was.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the I don't want to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: call it imbalanced, but it's so incredibly lopsided that that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the thing that I think the term gynocentrism is used
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to point out. It's it isn't the whole picture, but
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: it's not supposed to be. I think it's just looking
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: at that, I think that the the evolved things aren't
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: going away, and no.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: They're actually not. And the problem is that, and that's
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: part of why I mean that when it comes to
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: this stuff, we had language to describe mail misconduct. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: the reason we have language to describe mail this conductivity
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: because physical power. There's no question that physical power and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: social power are kind of, you know, opposing each other.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: You know, women, they've always had more social power in
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: small groups, particularly the collective of women. I mean, there's
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: no question that physical strength random world for a long time.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that the chronical page rechers real, it's not.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: It just meant that physical strength resulted in in output
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: of calories. That's how calories we were gleaned, and everything
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: else is a proxy for calories, economic wealth, you know whatever.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: So physical strength dominated for a long time, and so
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: we have language to describe physical strength and the abuse
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: of physical strength. I don't think we even have language
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: to describe toxic femininity because I think that this power
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that women have had has mainly accelerated into hyperdrives since
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: maybe the sixties, And so I think we're confused because
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: we don't even have I mean, words are buckets. Words
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: are buckets that contain concepts that we're taught to make
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: retrieval easy. I don't think we even have the language
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: to describe social manipulation as an abuse of power as
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: opposed to physical force. And as it comes to some
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: of these things like kind of centrism or a red pill,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: like when women talk, for example, about oppression, really what
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: they're talking about is bearing children, the obligation to bear children.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: And I understand that having kids is tough. I understand
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: that having kids, you know, if you're expected to have children.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I get why people might be upset about that. You
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: talked about kind of centrism and women being elevated. Like
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: the challenge with some of this language and are understanding
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: of the language and the constructs involved, is that women
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: aren't entirely wrong. They were obliged for a long time
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: to have kids because the option was they wouldn't receive
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: any resources or support and they'd either join a nunnery
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: or they'd starve. The deal was men die in battle,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: and men die on the docks, and men die on boats,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: and men die in the minds and have kids. This
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: was the ancient deal, right. The problem is that it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: not actually women that are being elevated. It is to
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: a small degree. And this isn't fact. This is this
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: is kind of my perception of things or why I
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: think we lack the language. It's actually women's for company
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: that's being elevated. The only reason that women are being
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: elevated is because they have a uterus. It's not women
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: per se that are being elevated. And that's why when
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: a woman is forty five, for example, she falls off
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the map socially. If she's forty five and doesn't have kids,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: where is she?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna push back on that a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: little bit, of course. Okay, so I see what you're
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: coming from. But the thing is, how was it in historically? Like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: how did it work in the past, because that's the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: only place we can look, right, So a woman in
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: her forties was was uh, Well, women were definitely. I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: don't think historically they were less than their uterus or
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: their ability to to produce children. I think that they
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: were different things at different points in life, just like men.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And so when a woman is young, she is you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: no children, and she is fertile, and she's a you know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: like basically a prospect for the starting of a family
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: in the same way that young man is.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: He's youthful, he's got energy, and he's ready to like
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you know, risk it all, as it were, to try
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to build something and usually at the cost of his
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: own body so that he can you know, attract a woman.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And and in fact, and for most of our history,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: people didn't date per se. They just like knew the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: family next door and you know, they grew up together,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and yeah, they were basically set up and it was
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you know, a marriage was more like a business. Uh
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, let's say a merger right in a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: lot of ways, because everybody worked and it was like
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: your family was your business. So when we got into
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: like industrialization and modernity and stuff, then the concept of
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: dating cam and this is actually you know, there's a
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: guy I had on my show. His name is this
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: is Shah and he's been doing a lot of research
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: into dowry. And like, dowry is not just like people
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: think of it, and they think of like, you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: countries like India, but dowry has always existed in most
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: of you know, most societies where marriage was based on
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: bringing families together and you usually knew the people you
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: were marrying from childhood, so they were like, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you guys were on good terms. It wasn't like the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: way that it's presented in movies where you know, oh,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you're you are betrothed to this person that you don't know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you don't like. It wasn't like that. That's that's Hollywood garbage.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: That's a lie, right, And look, I'm not saying we
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: should go back to that. I'm saying that's where.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We came from.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: But like a woman in once she becomes a mother,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: then her she's valued for a completely different set of skills.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Right now she is a mother, she is raising children,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: she is like feeding them and everything else, and of
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: course the father is doing his part in that. And
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: when she gets older, like in her forties, she becomes
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: a sort of like matron. Right, She's got grandkids, she's
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: involved with the community, she is so like this is yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: but these.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Are men, then those roles done transition. Men have the
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: same role from probably the age of fifteen.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It's basically yeah, yeah, although I think they can be
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: like mentors later on, like sort of like yes.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: We become senatorial, you know what I mean, yes, exactly,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: but I do think that, uh no, it's okay.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Just to make this point, I do think that if
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: there is a kind of like reduction in women's value,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: like the way that we see them today, it's not
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it's not because of something men did. I think it
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: was in fact, you know, the feminist movement. It basically
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: pushed them into the workplace. It it double the tax base.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It made women into you know, essentially vehicles for pursuing
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: career above all things, dating family second, And it was
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: all about like seeing everything in terms of monetization as
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: opposed to like other kinds of value, you know.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: And I think you're actually painting the path to us
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: entirely agreeing. And here's maybe where we can make the bridge. Okay,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: if if women today still had three or four kids
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: in their forties, I think they would be highly prized. Absolutely,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: women only fall off the map generally if they don't
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: have children at their forty five, right, they want to
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: continue to not make the transition. Men don't have to
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: do that, And that way maybe we have it a
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: hair easier as far as development over time, because by
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the time we're fifteen, everyone realizes that we're no longer
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: a puppy, that we're now an almost full grown dog.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: And generally speaking, society tosses us into a sack and
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: tosses us into the river and says, fight your way
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: up and swim. No, it doesn't happen at fifteen. Maybe
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: it happens to twenty five. But society with large on
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: an evolved basis, doesn't really have much time for men,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: not young. They have to fight their way up. That's
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: their job is to fight their way up. I get it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: It's fine. Society has plenty of time for young. They're feeding,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: they think they're kids. The more potential kids they can bear,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the more attention they get. That's what Instagram is. That's
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: what only fans is. It's a celebration of fecundity, an
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: evolved compulsion to celebrate for coundity. But that celebration of
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: fecundity means tons of affirmation and validation and dopamine for
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: women and resources. This has always been the case. It's
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: a male competition for for condity, for fert it's not fertility,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: it's not quite the same concept. And so they get
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: a ton of affirmation, a ton of validation and a
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: ton of resources, and they can use it for condity
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: to get that, whether it be professionally, whether it be personally,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: we're evolved to elevate for condity. I think what women
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: are really objecting to is the transition from a celebration
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: of fecundity to a celebration of maternity and saying that
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that's an oppressive change. And it's like, well, I guess
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: at what you're saying, but we sent eighteen year old
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: boys up to die in Germany like, and so the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: male role doesn't really change as much as the female role.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: It's just that we start to look at men as
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: disposable when they're eighteen, not disposable when they're in their
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: mid thirties, and not even kids like. Male disposability is
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: always on the table, always on an evolved level, and
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: so I don't think that men struggle with that as
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: much as long as it comes along with a certain
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: modicum of gratitude. Because as soon as everyone realizes that
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: we're no longer puppies like eight year old boys, they
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: get lots of attention. Fine, but as soon as boys
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: are post pbstent, the expectation is fight compete. Yeah, for sure,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: win a partner, win a wife, and show us the resources,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: have the car, you know, be able to support a family,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: and there's no turning there. Like there's there's no change
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: men past that point. Women are celebrated for their company,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: but if they don't turn the corner to maternity, that
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: celebration ends. And that's what I think many women find oppressive,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: is that unless they have kids, there's just not much
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Therefore them, they're not celebrated anymore. Society looks the other way.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: And so I think that women really do find not
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: all women, but I think that many women do find
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the obligation of maternity to maintain their social status. That's
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: what they really think. The chronical patriarchy is the handmaid
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: still is that are not valuable as you have kids.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: What they don't understand is that that's not men doing it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: That's evolution doing it to women the same way as
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: evolution says men are disposable. Why would we on an
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: evolved level celebrate weak men who refuse to fight and
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: represent children. Why would we celebrate any form of masculinity
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: that doesn't create and maintain children and grandchildren? On some level,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: there's no reason for evolution to code that in why
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: would we celebrate any form of femininity that doesn't result
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: in children, my grandchildren? Why would evolution?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Where does it go other than satisfying your own sort
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: of like, I mean, frankly narcissistic.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: And that's one hundred percent right there. Yeah, evolution doesn't
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: care if men are oppressed. It doesn't care if women
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: are oppressed. I've read Richard Dowkin selfish gene. It makes
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: perfect sense. Evolution does not care if men are oppressed,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: as long as we get the maximum number of adaptable grandchildren.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Doesn't care. Evolution doesn't care if women are oppressed, as
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: long as we get the maximum number of adaptable grandchildren.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Doesn't care. The assumption here that many modern feminists have
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: is that life is supposed to be fun. It's supposed
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: to be affirmation and validation, and no, evolution doesn't give
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: a good goddamn if you're happy. It doesn't care. It
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: didn't hardcode your happiness into its construct. It hard coded
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the maximum number of adaptable grandchild. And here we are
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: a bucking evolution, and buck and evolution and manipulating it
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: now by artificially creating conflict between men and women, and
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, their birth rates are tanking, and
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden marriage is tanking. We've got a
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: men and boy crisis where men are withdrawing. It's the
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: manipulation of the evolutionary construct under the auspices of rising
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: female power in an anti natalist construct. Modern feminism's primary
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: target is children, not men. They're going through men to
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: get to babies. Why is abortion the number one topic
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: for modern feminists? Their real target is not men. They
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: have to go through us to get to babies. They
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: don't want babies because babies, to them are that turning
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: of the corner that represents the oppression. We're not the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: actual target. We're the proxy, if you know what I mean,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Because because what does a relationship with the band result in? Well, kids, right, marriage, family,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: it's kids. The heart of the modern feminist movement is
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: is the belief that babies are oppression and that's divorcin
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: that's d be war.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's so it's not you you're saying
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: modern feminism, but that's like, that's all feminism. That's what
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: it always was because like literat like even Mary Wilson
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Craft was like the proto feminist was essentially writing about
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: like liberation of women means liberation from their biology, because
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: that's the only way that can go. Literally, nowhere else
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: it can go, Like this is why, like the trans
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: thing is big now because there's nowhere else to go,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Like we're just going to try and change our bodies
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: like the nature.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: That's right, generity constructionism, or you know, an elimination of sex,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: of memorphism. But my mother, for example, I would I
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: would call my mother a feminist. My mother agrees with gender.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess in today's lingo, like if you
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: take a look at Mary Harrington's work, Louise Perry's work
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: as feminists, right, yeah, Mary Harrington has created this or
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: carved out this niche, calling it reactionary feminism. And Mary
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Harrington is an essence saying, listen, we live in a
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: time where women can be whatever they want to be.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: But it's probably best if you don't compete with men.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: It's probably best if you do focus your early years
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: of becoming a wife and a mother, because you're probably
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: going to be happiest and your children will be in
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: the best possible shape. And so my mom, she's like
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: eighty now, but she's along that same line as well.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: My mom never went to university. Her parents didn't let
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: her go to university. Her parents only let her go
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: through grade ten. This was back in the in the fifties.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: But my mother says, listen, I'm working my ass up,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I'm working hard. I'm your father's equal, but I refuse
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: to compete with them. He and I are not going
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: to compete. We're equals. But my mother has no interest
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: in competing with my father, and my father has no
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: interest in competing with my mother, not zero. And that's
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: the only reason that they're approaching their sixtieth wedding anniversary
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: is because they refuse to compete. And my mother does
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: not believe that women should compete with men, even if
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: they're in the same career paths. Like it doesn't mean
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: that women can't be lawyers. It just means that we
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: need to produce male female competition whenever we can, because
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the male female competition engages gender buy some real typecasting,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: and that means that we're off to the racist with
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: false allegations and all kinds of talksic conduct to manipulate
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: the evolved compulsion right, and so family law that's a
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: competition between men and women now is wife. It is
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: completely rife with gender bias. Real typecasting now you know
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I've I've struggled with gender Buy some real type casting
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: because it has a It uses the term around like,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: it uses the term morals as if, as if this
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: isn't purely evolved conduct like I'm not sure people understand.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Cats do this, Dogs do this, Elephants do this. Every
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: single primate does this, every single one, and the really
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: strange things. And again this is my own work now,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: but it was based on doctor Reynold's work. It's not
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: just that cats do it with cats and dogs do
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: it with dogs as a marked preference for infants than females,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: with no preference for males. If you have a man
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: and a woman fighting, even if the woman is the
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: aggressor and there's a male dog present, he's more prone
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: to bite the male, even if the male is the victim.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: It's interspecies. Cats will comfort children and women, but they
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: will leave men alone. Cats respond to female vocalization favorably
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: by approaching and rubbing, but not male vocalization. This is
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: not some some moral thing. Cats don't have morals. Dogs
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: don't have morals. Guerrillas don't have morals. This is an ancient,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: evolved system that at this point, many but not all,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: but many women are manipulating for personal gain. And that's
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: what modern feminism is. Because if the course of all
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: of this is children first, then women, then men. You
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: follow me so far, that's a super construct. If if
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: modern feminism is fundamentally anti natalist, and you reduce the
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: number of children or eliminate the number of children, who
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: is the primary beneficiary of the evolved bias? If you
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: take up the kids, who's the maximum beneficiary of the system.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's the women.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: It's the women.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: They receive the affirmation of validation, the attention, the resources,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: and they have no responsibility at all to pass it on.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: And men aren't even part of the construct. And it's interspecies.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Can I send you to the DM of something, Yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: go ahead, Okay, here it's a Grock analysis. Just did
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: it the other day, and so I've kind of renamed
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: this and again, this isn't this is my work, and
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I believe it's a very very good work, but it's
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: all based on the initial my initial understanding of doctor
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Tonya Menold's work. So I'm sending it to you now, Okay,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I got it right here. You should have a Grock analysis.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Now, yep. Oh yeah, this is a lot. Okay, it's long.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Now, we don't need to go through it in detail. Yeah,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: it's going to be useful to have up in the chat.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: In fact, I'll post it in the x chat here
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: so that people can see it if they want to
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: see it. Where is it here?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: There?
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: It is. So doctor Reynolds looked at this from a
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: from a human level, just a human level. Okay, mm hmm,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: and that's fine. What she didn't look at what no
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: one has really integrated is that it's an interspecies pattern
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: of conduct. Okay, So what I took a look at
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: in this analysis was how deep does this go? And
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: this is where Grot confirmed based on assembling a bunch
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: of different research. Cats will comfort children before women, Cats
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: will comfort women before men. Cats almost never comfort men.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: They'll come to men for food, they'll come to men
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: for attention when they want attention, but they almost never
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: come to comfort men whenmen vocal. Same for dogs, same
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: for climts, same for elephants. Okay, so this is not
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: gender bias in moral type casting with all respect to
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: doctor Reynolds, this is something much much different. And what
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I've called this I asked Rock for some names and
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: we kind of went through things. It's this. I've actually
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: called it the synergistic interspecies. And this might be a
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: little precocious.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: The synergistic interspecies infant female triage medality.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Because this isn't just about men and women and kids.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: This is so much deeper. If a man and a
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: woman are having a fight and a stray dog was
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: to intervene, he would bite the men.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't just.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: About people, right, this goes into every So what this
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: means the synergistic interspecies sift is the acronym every single
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: interaction we have. We are sifting people into buckets of
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: infant through femininity, through masculinity. Who's at the bottom end
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: of that as far as who has the most responsibility
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: and the least benefits. It's not just men, it's the
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: most masculine men. Yeah, it's a distribution curve of proclivity
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: favoring infantilization.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Now think about modern feminism and infantilization. The claims the
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: conflict What they're doing is they're pushing themselves down towards infantilization,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the Handmaid's Tale, the tyrannical patriarchy. Man are ol oppressors.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: They're vocalizing, whether it be in writing or on YouTube,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: they're vocalizing and infantilizing themselves to get the attention.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Dogs do it, cats do it. Everything does it. That
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: femine is simply it's an evolved construct. Modern feminism is
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: an evolved constructs. It's that's why they can believe in
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: what they're doing and lie at the same time. Mm hmm,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: because it feels correct even if they're lying. That's what
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: happened to me with Child Protective Services. That's what happened
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: to me. A trial, even though I ended up with
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: fifteen to fifty Guspie is what happened to be a trial.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants to support the female vocalization. Dogs want to
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: support cats want to support it. Gibbons, gorillas, elephants want
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: to support it. So do lawyers, so do judges, so
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: does everyone. Everyone does all that women have to do,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: and not all women. Many women hate this construct. Mary
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Harrington hates it. Louise Perry hates it. That aren't hates it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Many excellent women of excellent character hate this evolved proclivity.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: But there's no question that modern feminists are paying out
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: an evolve proclivity towards grievance narratives, female vocalization to gain
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: power and cutting off the tail end of the infant.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: They're cutting off the obligation to have children, so that
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: they are at the they are the bottomneck, they are
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: the receiving end of all affirmation, all validation, all of that.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: That's my red pill mode.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my reds.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Understanding that this isn't even just about people. This goes
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: way way deeper than people, and it's not about morals.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Modern feminism is not a social construct. They are playing
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: out an evolved compulsion to deceive and self infantilize and
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: characterize men as oppressors. And they believe it. And yet
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: it's a lie. Yeah, but they believe it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: They actually course, no, of course they do.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I yeah, I think there are people
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: who also so see seek benefit from this setup. But
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: but there is something If it's evolved, then why is
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: it killing us? Because it's going to at like with
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the birth rates plummeting.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, here's an answer to that question. ABC
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: News just uncovered that answer. Let me see if I
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: can get this for you. I might have to paste
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: in here. ABC News just ran a pole about what
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: man woe will want.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh, I know we covered it on the show.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about?
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Right? Okay, right now? The way that you figure out
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: what someone wants is not when they're in a position
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: of dress, because stated preferences versus revealed preferences mean that
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: you have to be in a position of power and
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: strength to have your revealed preferences show someone's got a
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: gun to your head. Are you going to tell the
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: truth or you're going to lie and tell them whatever
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: lie they want you to tell. You're going to say
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: whatever they want to say. Yeah, So you can only
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: tell the truth and have your stated preferences match your
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: revealed preferences when you have power. That's it. That's the
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: only point in which you can afford to be honest. Business,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: No gun to your head. Women have more power now
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: than they've ever now. They're less happy than they've ever been,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: but they have more power now, and so they can
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: start to allow their stated preferences to align with their
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: revealed preferences, and that's what the ABC poll uncovered. I
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: don't believe, although there's a distribution curve of proclivity, I
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: don't believe that women ever wanted marriage children.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: You don't that women ever want to help.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: It marriage or children. No, not, not for its own purposes.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: I believe that women were created by evolution as men
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: were created by evolution, and that women were created by
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: evolution to require men and the caloric input that men
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: could provide. That's why concealed avulation involved in women. You're
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: familiar with that. Oh, no, concealed ovulation. We're one of
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: the only species on the planet that has sexual relations
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: outside ovulation.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, we can have.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Sex and even enjoy sex outside ovulation. The reason that
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: evolved is so that women could secure resources from men
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: without having a child for their own survival, not just
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: for the survival of a child. Okay, this is the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: basis for prostitution, concealed ovulation, the exchange of resources for
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: sexual access mind as a child without without a child. Now,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: that was okay in a circumstance where women had to
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: approach men for resources, because if they approached men for
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: resources often enough ovulation kicked in. And that's not to
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: say that women were oppressed women. Many women enjoyed those experiences.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Sex isn't always some tyrannical patriarchal of active oppression. Women
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: have enjoyed sex for ages. Okay, this is not new,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: but in that context of women being compelled to approach
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: men for resources, eventually they got pregnant. But no one
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: was choosing pregnancy one hundred and fifty thousand years ago.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: We've only had the little to think for one hundred
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: and fifty thousand years. No one knew they were going
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: to have a kid when they had sex. We were
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: incapable of thought. No one was choosing children. What women
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: were choosing was to exchange sex for resources, and occasionally
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: they were more compelled to do it because they were
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: ovulating and enjoyed it more because they were ogulating. No
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: one was choosing children. No one was choosing the relationship.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: The relationship was an evolutionary construct. It's not a social construct.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Marriage is not a social construct. Vasa presdent prolocked them
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: on the part of men, an oxyotocial on the part
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: of women. This is what family. This is what family is.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: These chemicals define it family is an evolutionary construct. It's
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: harder in people than it is in other species. But
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: family is an evolved construct. Men a vaca pressed and
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: as a function of sex that makes the make guard women.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: That's male love right there. Women of oxytocin as a
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: result of orgasm and breastfeeding, that's family. Like these chemicals
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: define it. The family is an evolved construct, perhaps best
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: personified in Western democracy, which is probably why Western democracy
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: has done as well as it's done, because the nuclear
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: family has never been stronger than in the context of
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Western democracy. It's part of the nuclear family that built it.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: No one country, if you know what I'm saying, it's
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: that construct that did. But in that construct, women weren't
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: consciously choosing children. They were choosing the marriage. They were
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: choosing the relationship, just as through concealed ovulation, because it
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: was their access to social status, which is resources. Social
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: status is a proxy for resources. If you're strong within
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: your community, your community will support you right with resources
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: and camalory. They were choosing social status, and they were
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: choosing their own lifestyle. And there's her own survival. But
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: now that women have power and are no longer compelled
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: to seek men for protection or for resources which men
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: didn't do to them. Evolution designed them that way. Evolution
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: designed us our way. Now that women are coming from
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: a position of power, they no longer have to say
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: that they value marriage children. They can actually speak a
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: stated preference that mirrors the revealed preference. They never wanted
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: marriage and children for marriage and children's sake. They wanted
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: it for survival. If a woman didn't have children, she
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: was going to be in a nunnery. Like, do women
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: really want to eat porridge every day? No?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean lots of women do join nunneries, But
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I think it just sounds like what like, do women
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: not get any joy out of motherhood?
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Do they not?
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: They have, absolutely, but only once, but only once they
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: have the kids.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: See, because breastfeeding, so men sex, good sex result in oxytocin.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: For women, it's a bonding chemical, right, It bonds people together.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: But once a woman has children, the number one source
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: of oxytocin is no longer sex. It's breastfeeding that otocin in.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: A new mother maintains her mental health and holds her
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: in the family unit. As long as she's breastfeeding, she's
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: unlikely to end the family because the oxytocin from the
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: best feeding gives her a sense of contentment and peace.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: She's content.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: What about the what about? What about this?
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: So like as an aside, Okay, So I believe that
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: another thing that impacts women's behavior when it comes to
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: whether or not they're gonna get married, stay married and
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: have children, or if they're going to get divorced or
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: whatever it is they choose, depends on the social circle
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: they're in. And I think that it's a social contagion,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: one of the I have a data point where a
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: woman who is in proximity to other women who have
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: gotten divorced are they are more likely to get divorced.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: So if they see their friends are getting divorces, it
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: increases their chance of getting divorced by like a significant number.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I find it. And it's a social.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: You're getting the nailed right on the head.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: But the opposite of this is true as well. What
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: The opposite is true because if a woman is around
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: a woman like, let's say they're in a group of
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: friends and one of them is like, one of them
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: gets married, and the other women like are more likely
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: to get married. And if one of them has kids,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: then the others are more likely to have kids. And
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: if they're if a bunch of women are all you know,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: within a sort of proximity of each other, and they're
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: all having children, then they're they're all going to get
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of It's not just the chemicals of breastfeeding,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: but it's the social aspect of it becomes essentially, what
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: where they get all of their joy and their affirmation from,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Whereas if they're not doing that, they're getting it from
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, social media engagement, attention from
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: the attention economy, from men, from other women. They're they're
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: engaging in social media like you know, dog piling or
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, but they're not. It's like the energy
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: is they're still asking for this stuff, but they're just
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: getting it from somewhere else, you know what I mean.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And you're one d percent right. And the name and
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology for that is strategic post
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: social behavior. And there's a good reason for it. It's
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: that men survived as individuals often but women could never
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: survive as individuals one man versus one woman, you know,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Like again we're talking one hundred thousand years ago, when
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: when our compulsions were drafted by evolution or longer. A
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: woman alone was dead or raped, that's yeah, whether it
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: be a predator or a human predator, right or starvation,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: she was dead. That's not the case for a man alone.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: His chances of dying.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Were hot and he could end up dead, so he.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Could end up surviving and moving through. Well, everything that
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: creates a fifty percent plus one chance of improving survival
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: eventually gets hard coded by evolution, and so evolution hard
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: coded women to become more of a collective. That's what
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: strategic pro social behavior is. And the interesting thing is
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: hi to stop sort of eliminates strategic pro social conduct.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: It's not something to that experience, which is why women
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: form collectives really quickly and men just don't. That's part
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: of the gender biasomol type casting is part of why
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: women will often act as a collective and men will
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: often act as individuals. Because women's survival depended on them
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: not straying too far from other women when the men
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: were gone hunting, when the men were away for a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: period of time, and so women needed to form a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: social collective. Here's the question, how do you know that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: you're protected in any herd anamo, any collective. Do you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: want to be at the edge of the hurt where
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: pretor paget you, or do you want to right? But
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: who's in the center of the hurt? And the answer
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: is high status females. The high status females are the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: center of the hurt. Right, you want to be into
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: the high status females. How do you accomplish that goal?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: You do what they do, and you believe what they believe.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: You act like they act. You mirror the higher influence
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: women in your social group. And so if you're married
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: to the highest status woman in her social group, she's
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: not going to be swayed much by one of her
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: friends getting divorced because she's the highest status female in
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: the group. But if you're married to one of the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: lower status figom in her social group, and her highest
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: influenced friend gets divorced, you're fucked and there's nothing you
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: can do about it. Because her physical survival two hundred
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: thousand years ago didn't depend on her doing what you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: told her to you were gone most of the time.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Her physical survival depended on her proximity physical social proximity
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: to the highest status female in her peer group. Any
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: woman who got cast to the edge of the tribe
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: by the highest any woman who got excommunicated from her
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: peer group died. That's strategic pal social behavior, and that's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: why women are more susceptible to anarexia. That's why they're
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: more susceptible to bolima. That's why they're more susceptible to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: social contagion of gender contagion. That's why young women are
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: more susceptible to getting ticks after they watch a higher
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: status female on TikTok with a large following at facial tics. Yeah,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: because women see their peer group as physical survival absent
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: external threat. If there is an identifiable external threat, they
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: see you as a man, as their physics a life,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: but absent a visible external threat that a man is
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: supposed to defend them from, in essence a predator of
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: some kind. They see other women their peer group as
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: their physical safety. They're safer with their peer group, and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: so if they're peer group has a couple of high
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: status women who have gotten divorced, there's nothing you can
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: do as a man. Mm hmm. You are not absent
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: to bear at the door. Absent a saber tooth tiger
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: at the mouth of the cave than you standing between
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: you between her and it with a spear. She is
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: going to chase your peer group.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: All right, I got a super chant now I got
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: to read out really quick from ZARAENX. He sent it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: earlier and I again a chance to read it. He
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: sends ten dollars and says, men protect the family. The
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: best way to have all members of a family left
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: vulnerable is to minimize the efficacy of the protector. Otherwise
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: all members would work in concert of guarding said family.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Guaranteed the most evil individual couldn't come.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Up with this.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: It works too well. All right, thank you for that, ZARANX.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry that was like from a while back, so the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: context might be lost. You mentioned that women like they
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: have power now, and I think it's the illusion of power.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Like every they're very comfortable, like men have made modern
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: women very safe and comfortable with all of our modern conveniences,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: and I think it's given them like this this threat
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: or danger of being like you know, unsafe where they
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: need men.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like it's gone like that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: The threat is there. No, the threat is real, and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: it's there.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: And what we have in terms of like what keeps
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: these women safe is extremely fragile, and it's constantly being
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: chipped away at, and in fact, in a lot of ways,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: women are chipping away at it themselves because of how
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: safe we have made them, right, so you know, we
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: so like, yeah, so I think that this is it's
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: it's strange then that women are actually undermining their their
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: own safety net, probably because they're they're not aware of
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: how dangerous the world actually can be and it can
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: happen very fast. And also, why then is there a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: multi billion dollar industry that's trying to convince women to
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: you know, not have kids and divorce their husbands and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: tank the birth rate and kill their own babies, like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: if it's modern, well, like the whole cathedral, like the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: whole like education, media, you know, politics, the whole apparatus
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: is essentially weaponizing women's fear insecurity and narcissism to destroy
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: themselves and our society by choosing, you know, to divorce
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: themselves from men, to not like, to not trust men,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: to constantly fear men, to see them as the enemy,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: to see them as competition, which is like, you know,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: according to what you said, is like the reason is
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: like the root of all of this, and yet they're
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: that much money and energy has to be thrown in
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: that direction.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: So I haven't answered for it's an imperfect answer, but
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I have an answer for that, which is the concept
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: of the doom loop. Are you familiar with the work
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: of John B. Calhoun and the behavioral sinks back in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: the sixties and seventies, Okay, So John Calhoun, he was
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: an athologist and animal psychologist. They call it athology and animals,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: which is a huge mistake. To separate animal psychology and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: human psychology is a massive there. It's where the concept
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: of social constructs comes from. It's the separation of human
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: and animal psychology. We wouldn't look at a rat and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: say it was choosing. We would look at a rat
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: and say it's playing out its biology. We don't look
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: at people that way. We should. There's no separation between
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: human and animal behavior in that way. So he had
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: rats and mice and he would build these colonies, and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: he would put rats and mice in these huge colonies,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: just two three four breeding pairs, right, yeah, just a couple,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: and he would watch what happened as population climate and
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: the one colony. Actually he did this repeatedly, the colony
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: would grow to a certain point that was nowhere near
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: the capacity of the space he'd given them. He would
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: give them a space that accommodated like two thousand rats easy,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: and he would give them unlimited food, and he would
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: give them unlimited water. But at some point the birth
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: rates began a tank and at that point the rat
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: civilization was already dead. They just didn't know it. What
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: happened at that point is the population density climbed, the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: number of social roles wasn't there, and the rats destroyed themselves.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: The experiment, Yeah, that's exactly it.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't I know it by that name, not the.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Right experiment. So he called it a behavioral sink. And
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: he actually said that the that the rat civilization of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: the most civilization suffered two deaths, the spiritual death which
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: preceded the physical death. Mm hmm. And that's the spirit
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: of a doom loop. It's it's like a rocket ship
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: that creates its own fuel once a certain set of
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: conditions are triggered. A doom loop means that the rocket
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: no longer requires an import of fuel. It creates its
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: own okay, which has become it becomes a it becomes
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: a perpetual motion machine, is what it does. Now, that's
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: only possible in things like human behavior, right, Like, it's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: only possible where irrationality can exist. Can't happen in physics,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: can't happen in chemistry. There you've got catalysts and stuff
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: that run out and the reaction ends. It can only
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: happen in the presence of a certain amount of evolutionary
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: compulsion or psychotic insight or psychotic massformation. Psychotic massformation is
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: a DESMT. It mirrors Young's analysis of society wide pathology
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: mental pathology. There were villages in Europort. Everybody was compelled
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: to dance and they couldn't stop dancing. Psychotic massformation right
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: the Salem wuich on psychotic massformation where a group of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: people simply believe a certain thing and nothing you do
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: could dislodge them. Well, in this concept of what doctor
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Tony Ryolet's called gender biasaball type casting that I call
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: synergistic intersexual you know, infantyal triage. If women create a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: context of threat, if women can create the context that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: men are the external threat, and if society elevates women
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: above conflict, society suppresses men it's what society will do.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: If women say men written large are the threat to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: our existence, then men will actually subjugated the men and
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: women will as well. Now the ap A tested this.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: This is a fascinating link I can send to this
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: quickly where they looked at implicit bias. They looked at
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: some of this stuff because they had made this statement
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: that traditional masculinity was problematic. I'm not sure if you
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: recall all that. Oh yeah, they got some heat. Well,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: all masculinity is problematic. Really, yeah, I mean there is
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: no non toxic version of masculinity at this according to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: the a p A. But the AP is led by
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: not just modern feminist but modern intersectional feminists. The question
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: the concept of gender, right, let's say, yeah, these are
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: these are jitterity construction is running the APA at this point,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: which explains a lot of kind of where they're coming from.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: So they ran the study that they did nothing with.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: But it is absolutely stunning. It is it's a study
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: that confirms that women's evolved, likely evolved under the circumstances
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: implicit bias against men is actually greater than racism.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: Ran in twenty twenty two. I'm gonna send it to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: you now.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the conversation around racism is actually just
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: a distraction, it's miss injury.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, since to the study. It's from PubMed. It was
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, And this
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: study actually confirms much of what you and I are
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: talking about here. Men want women to win by a
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: little because that's how we get laid. Honestly, that's how
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: we have sex. If women lose and their serotonin is
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: low and their dopamine is low, and their their their
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: social success is low, they don't want to surround. But
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: if we make women feel good, we get to have sex,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: and we're compelled to do that.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: So men actually have a slight compulsion across all races,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: all socio economic statuses to slightly elevate women's interests above
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: the wrong by having what's called a negative implicit bias.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: We don't actually think badly of women at all. Individual
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: men can act badly, but as a collective, men actually
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: want women to win by a little, just a little
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: above our own interests, which fits chivalry theory, it fits
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: everything else we're talking about gender by some more typecasting.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Did you send me the study the last one you
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: just caught up. Yeah, okay, where did you say?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: If you look in your chat?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: But now I got to refresh this maybe because I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: don't see it.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Let's see, is it to soltial eliminate strategic pro social
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: behavior through Is it that one?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Or No? Nope, that's that's going from before.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: That's weird. I don't see it. So as a d
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: M two, I'm to pass it to Allison.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: So they ran this study. Yep, it's the largest social
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: bias they could measure. And again, it ran through It
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: ran through all socio economic classes, it ran through all races, okay,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: which means when something like that happens, there is a
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: very high probability that is evolved. Oh sorry, I sent
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: you the wrong one. Sorry, I much have copied and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: paste that. I can see that. Now, let me get
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: the right one. Okay, I got it here. No, I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: said to them, it's my own fault. I'm sending the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: correct one to you right now from a journal.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: No, it's fine. Well, look, I can't go for much
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: longer because it's like really late here. But I wanted to.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Uh ask okay, so this sounds very like predestined. So
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: and so then why are you pro natalists If it's all.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: Pointless, someone's gonna survive. Okay, So I don't want my children.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: I do not want my sons infected by this. We
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: cannot and again this is gonna sound doom saying at
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: this point, But like look at the work of doctor
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: David Betts, for example, like the the the the professor
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: of War for Insurrection at King's College is saying, we're done.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. The people who are experts in insurgency and
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: civil war, many of them at this point, are saying this,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: this goose is functionality cooked, We're finished. People aren't listening,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: much like people will build on the Andreas fault line
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: in California and then be surprised when earthquake knocks down
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: their house. Human beings are narcissistic, eccentric. We're not going
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: to listen, right that That's the whole myth of Cassandra.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: People could tell the truth and no one listens. No
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: one listens, you know, it's the way things are. No
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: one's listening. Ye, my children are not going to have
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: the life that I had if I can help them,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: and by talking about the evolved biases, when civilization falls
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: It's not that everyone dies. It's not some zombie apocalypse.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: It's thirty to forty to fifty to sixty years of
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: managed to decline, where life gets tougher and tougher. But
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: if I can tell my sons love women, but never
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: compete with them. Love them, never compete with them. Ever,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: find a career where you do not have to compete
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: with them, even if it means that you have to
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: be an entrepreneur. Never compete with women. You're going to lose,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: because that's what evolution has set up. It's not that
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: civilization fall and kills us all. No, I have children, right,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: and so I have to act in a way that's
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: consistent with my children's best interests. I can't just say
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: we're done, give up. I work sixteen hour days, I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: work hard, right, I have to build what feature I can.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Even if I know the civilization, the Western democracy is done,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: it's finished. It can't survive this doom loop. We're in
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: a doom loop. We're in a behavioral sink. We're finished.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: But my sons can still have a great life because
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: it's not that Rome is burning to the ground. It's
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: not like everything's being set on fire. It's that we
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: have to make do with what we have if we
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: have kids. I'm a prominatalist. I have to do with
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: some of my children's best interests, right, So what's the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: point I'm lying down on the ground and saying the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: sky is falling, I give up. I feel like doing that,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Trust me, I feel like doing that with the experiences
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: I've had. But you can't. I have sons. They have
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: to have a better life. And so I could say
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: to my sons, love women, recognize this system. Don't hate
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: on women. Men misbehave women misbehave Men as a collective
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: have not done great. Sometimes a collective aren't doing great
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: right now? Hadl Andrews recent thing on the feminization of
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: a society writ large in essence, she's saying it's over.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: She's been clear that the law will not survive feminism,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: that the intersectional application of justice means that women will
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: give justice to whoever they want instead of giving justice
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  Speaker 3: to all. Yeah, that's my experience. But I've encouraged my sons,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: for example, to not My sons are our teenagers, and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: I've said they love to hunt, they love to fish,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: you know, they love to be in the country. I've said,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: live in the country, live in a place where you're
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: closer to existential harm, Live in a place where community
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: is community because you're not surrounded by pavement. Live in
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: a place where you can walk in the forest, live
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: in a place where there's water. Don't let the cities
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: are first. If you watch David Betts's work, if you
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: listen to David Bets or any of the folks in
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: the Nova Insurgency and what they believe is coming, the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: cities are going to go first because the cities are
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: the hot bed of modern feminists. And so why am
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: I not lying on the ground giving up.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe if I didn't have kids, i'd be a nihilist.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe i'd be a black pill. I have children. Yeah,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: I'm compelled to fight for my children, and not just
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: my kids. I feel strongly about fighting for kids. Rit
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: large modern feminism is kill them. They are the target.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Babies are the target. Men are just the path to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: eliminate the babies. If they eliminate men, they eliminate babies.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: They aren't thinking it. They think that they're targeting a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: male depression. They're not. They're really targeting this conception and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: pregnancy and the twist in the role towards being a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: mother instead of being affirmed and validated for fecundany. Their
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: target is babies, not us. They just have to go
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: through us to get to the babies because they never
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: wanted them in the first place. They only wanted them
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: to secure their own survival and social status. All right,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that no women wants kids. Evolutionary
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: compulsion to want them, yes, but outside the existential the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: reason that birth rates are tanking is women don't existentially
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: need men anymore and aren't compelled to train sex for resources.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: That's the main reason. Absence and existential need for men,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: an evolved existential need for men.
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  Speaker 2: Get if things get bad enough that existential need for
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: men could come back.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Like, what do you think when that happens? I mean, like,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: if we see the mattters now, if we see the mouths,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: and I see it, and once you see it, once
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: you read these papers, you cannot unsee it if you
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: understand what they say. If I had someone from my past,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: my ex wife come to me now and say hey,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: I've changed my mind, I'd say I don't care. I'm
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: not doing anything for you, because I'm not I'm not
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: a boy, I'm a man. You cannot come back to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: me as a woman for convenience now that it's convenient
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: for you. Yeah, because you're just going to flip the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: other way again.
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  Speaker 2: All right, just a moment, mister Xavier in the chat
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: wants to speak, So I gave you permission. You should
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: be able to speak. Try to unmute and go ahead,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: mister x Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I'm used to spaces.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, if you want to make
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: things easier, if you ever go to your chat, rather
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: than just leave it in the chat bubble, you can
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: share it to the space. So if you go to
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: any tweet and you hit the up arrow, you'll see
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: a new category, share to Space. It'll say share to
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: International Men's Day. And you could have something in the
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: quote unquote nest because it used to be Twitter the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: bird the nest. It's now called the jumbo Tron. So
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: just a little addative if you wanted.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: To do that.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I okay, I'm just checking, so
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: sent me this, so I go share too. Oh yeah,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: share the space. So did I just did it? I think? Yeah,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: And now you'll see something Okay, cool, I didn't know that.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Thank you, no problem, just for listeners and then to
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: follow along what you're talking about. Its great conversation.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you, thank you.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: Ultimately, if there is no cure, it's going to take
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: a few generations for men to kind of men who
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: see it anyway, for men to forgive and move on.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: It's going to take two three generations.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: For men to forget what's going on, right, Yeah, for sure.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: The pain is one sentence. I know you're wrapping up,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: so I'm making it really quick. I know you say
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: you were wrapping it up. But I did like the conversation.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know if this was a one on one interview,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: so I didn't want to no.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: No, I was.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: It was a space.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I let anybody who wants to say something can go
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: ahead and say a few words if they want, go ahead.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: Okay, no problem.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I do like the analysis. It is a little bit.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: I do disagree on the solution though. It is a
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: bit black pilling. And I understand your your your perception
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: of why that. But if you take a look at
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: the climate, it's not so doom and gloom as everybody's
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: talking about it. I mean it's very chaotic as these
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: things are, as we you know, when she reads the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: precipice of of of you know, sexual dynamics and the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: chaos of it, you kind of have to go the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: other way. So you get the m r. As, you
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: get the chads, you get the the andrew tates, and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: it's all over the place. But there there it's an
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: effort because it is so chaotic. So I see that
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: as a win. Actually there's a silver lining of people
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: trying to figure it out because the the men and
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: women dynamic is something that it's it's it's complementary, right,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: we need each other. It's receptacle. But as you know,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: not in the way it is right now, for all
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: the reasons you stated sown to Mankind's point, Like what
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: I've been saying all this time, mister X, it's not
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: just complimentary. The man and woman thing is everything, like
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: we get we're literally distracted by all these other things happening,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: and if we don't deal with the man woman thing,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: then none of the other stuff matters. And the fact
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: that you said, you know, when you pointed out Mankind
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: that like you know, the it's where it's greater than racism.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: I mean that didn't even I didn't even blink an
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: eye because I knew that that was actually like the
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: root of it, like everything else comes from that.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: It's like it makes perfect logical sense because when you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: think about the oldest division in the human race, there's
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: only one human race. Yes, the oldest division in the
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: human race is sexual dimorphois in male and femo.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Race and after culture came out way way later, way later,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: and a lot of the problems we're heading right now,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: these divisions, critical race theory, critical ethnic theory, you know,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: critical sexual theory. These all flow back in part to
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: the grievance narrative. And the oldest grievance narrative that exists
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: is the synergistic interspecies infant female triosh children and women
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: than men. If we can solve that, we can solve
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: everything else. If we can't solve that, it's the fountain.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: It's the source of gender ideology, the the the the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: infantilization of gender ideology. The students with with with Kefias
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: on this, you know, protesting in the streets saying you're
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: saying when somebody says you're genociding us, when you're not
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: yeah right, we're not genociding trans people. We disagree when
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: they say you're genoiciding us. They're engaging that bias by
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: infantilizing themselves. Every cat, every dog, every elephant, every primate
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: would respond to their distress. They're infantilized distress. That is woke.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: That is progressivism, self infantilization. To engage this infantilized bias
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: where we see them as children and we rush to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: their defense. It's evolved, but it's evolved into a doom
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: loop that includes race, religion, culture, ethnicity, nationalism. The original
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: source of it is sexual division. The original, the old
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: division is sexual division. And the only way to resolve
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: it is to see these biases, to see the evolved
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: nature of the division and say stop.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we have to see the wall.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: If we're not going to hit it, if we're not
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: going to hit the wall that we're running into, we
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: have to at least see the wall.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeat, Yeah, I don't disagree. So Brian, there's another
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Brian in here these botch TV. He actually requests to speak.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let you talk. I already approved you,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: so go ahead.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: Just got a quick question in regards to your guys conversation.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: So you guys mentioned everything boils down to men and women.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: Everything and and pretty much in society boils down to
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: men and women. And you're seeing this trend. Obviously, I've
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: I've watched maintaining frame. That's like the one thing I
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: never miss when when you Brian and Alison, when you
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: guys do it. So that's that's something I never miss
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: And one one of the one of the things that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, I guess is because you're noticing
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: this trend of just young men like myself, twenty six
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: year old young men gen z ers, just giving up
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: on like dating. I'm not necessarily black pilled, but just
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: checking out and you know, just that engaging with women
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: in a sexual for a sexual purpose or for any
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: for any of that. Obviously, the declining birth rates, declining
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: marriage rates, and you guys propose some solutions obviously with
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: seeing the biases within our court system, within our world,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: within our society. I guess my question is is like
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: where where do you Where do you start? Because that's
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: kind of you know, that's a big hurdle and obviously
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: this is going to take a long time. But obviously,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: you know, you don't want people like myself that are
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: young that are not having kids, you know, when they're
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: in the prime of their lives, not having families. You
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: have to have the desire of men to come back.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: And like you said, Brian, it's going to get it's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: going to get to a point where it's so bad
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: that you know, for men at least, or for men
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: checking out, it's going to get so bad to where
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: like women are going to be like, please come back.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: And we've already seen that with articles that you've obviously
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: covered on the show.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Going Well, I mean book, All I would say is, uh,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: men aren't coming back. By the way, what was that?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: And men aren't coming back?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: The men aren't coming back.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Well, there's no indication when they say men, can't you
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: come back?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Like you no, no, no, yeah, for sure are coming back. Well,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: what I think is happening is men are just working
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: on themselves. So they're just like you know, going and
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: working on themselves and hopefully, and I think this is
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: absolutely crucial because I've been I've been advocating this from
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: boldly since I started doing this, is that they're forming
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: some kind of fellowship with other men in some way
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: online in person, because that's where you like, that's where
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: you can cultivate yourself without like women's they can be
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: a distraction for men, even if they don't mean to be.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that. Like, I think that men need their.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: Own spaces, and unfortunately, a lot of times when men
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: try to make their own spaces, women tend to intervene
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: because they don't you know, It's been going on forever. Yeah,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: but I think that, yeah, yeah, but but look, I'm
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: just to you know, put it straight. I think most
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: men are working on themselves and they should They shouldn't
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: be distracted by women for now. And and what will
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: happen is the ones that essentially outside of women, the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: ones that have cultivated themselves the best, will come out
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: the other side and they will probably meet a woman
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: that has also done that same work. And so I
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: think that that's the way it has to go. I
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna you know, like I've been saying for
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: a while, there has to be more suffering before people
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: start to like shake out of the you know, out
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: of this like and and a lot of people won't,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: and that's unfortunate. But it's already happening. We've seen it,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: you know, people who have fallen for various pitfalls, like
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: they fell into the gender the gender theory stuff and
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: they started taking hormones, or they mutilated themselves because they
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: wanted to live as the opposite. Those people they're they're
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: gene pools over, like they're done and it's sad, but
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: like there's nothing that can be done right.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: And I will say this too, I think the.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: People who will be able to endure this storm are
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: gonna be the ones that have either never really known
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: this stuff, so they didn't they weren't a part of
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: the urban monoculture. They were basically living in rural parts
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: or sort of away from all this madness, or they
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: were the ones that really made a focus on building
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: community and like you know, operating within that community in
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: a small scale so that they can like build something
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: with someone Like where I used to live in Chicago.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: I moved to Virginia in twenty twenty and I've been
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: here ever since. And I was married before I moved,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: so but my wife and I lived here and we
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: started going to a church and everyone there they're you know,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: there's they're all very young, they're in their twenties. They're
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: all working on multiple children and I don't think they're
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: ever gonna get divorced. And it's like it's like a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: different it's a different world. It's like a time machine. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: small town, closer to nature. I mean, there's some modern
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: influence out here as well, because usually where you get
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: people who have it worked out really well, you get
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: also like a significant amount of resistance to that. So
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: you'll have like, you know, like for example, there's a
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: lot of witches here for some reason. You know a
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: lot of people that are that are sort of like
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: very very against this, but they're but that that's fine
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: because they're still in the minority. My point is is
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: that also these people they're they're not just like doing
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: well in terms of like staying married and having kids
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: and build building community, but they're also self sufficient enough
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: that if like we lose you know, some of all
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: of the sort of abundance that we've built, they're going
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: to be able to withstand that. They're not going to
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: worry about like, you know, if the Internet goes down
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: or if they I don't know, they lose like some
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: some some let's say access to you know, what we
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: take for granted, all of the sort of comforts of
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: modernity that people in the big cities couldn't handle if
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: they lost. These people will have it. They grow their
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: own food, they raise their own animals, right, they do
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: everything on their own. So it's like the Amish, like
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: they're gonna withstand all of this. They probably don't even
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: know this is going on, you know.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Rural or small town self sufficiency is the antidote to
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: the narratives aggrievance. Yeah, the antidote because once you're self
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: sufficient to a degree, your serotonin kicks in. You feel
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: like success. Once you've had that kind of success, you
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: do not want to go back to the narrative reefs. Yeah,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: you feel ashamed if you do. And so when you're
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: looking at small town agricultural environments or manufacturing environments where
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: people have to work hard, where there are some physical
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: risks in the woods outside of town, coy the that
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: the local news carries or something. Right, when there's a church,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: and and not just for believers, but there's a utility
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: to religion, which is the strategic pro social behavior piece.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: Generally speaking, in a church, divorce is going to be
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: frowned on, considered a failure. Well, if you're seeing, if
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: you are a believer, try to, you know, try to
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: pick someone from a church congregation. If you are already
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: a believer, I mean, don't lie about it. But if
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: you're already a believer, try to choose someone from a
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: church congregation whose parents are still married and whose friends
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: attend the church. Because the strategic pro social behavior, they're
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: the impetus the compulsion on her for success. For what
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: success and safety means is going to be marriage and children,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: right yeah, And her friends are her safety zone, not you,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: your safety from eminent physical risk, their safety in a
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: long term level, So choose. Choose from women who have
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: a friend group, who who have parents who stayed together.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: And that's not to say ignore a woman who's got
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: divorced parents, but you're not going to be as effective
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: by strategical or social behavior as she is. Right right,
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  Speaker 3: it's not the same meta. Women are not different. We
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  Speaker 3: don't respond to divorce the same way. We don't respond
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  Speaker 3: to the world the same way. Men are is influenced
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  Speaker 3: by their friends the.
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  Speaker 1: Same way, right yeah, And.
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  Speaker 3: So just choose carefully, but understanding the evolt compulsions can
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  Speaker 3: help you choose carefully mm hmm, and can even help
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  Speaker 3: in marriage counseling for haveit's sakes, right, But people, all
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  Speaker 3: of these people come from the humanities. There's not a
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  Speaker 3: therapist out there. There might be one in a thousand
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  Speaker 3: who would take a look at it through an evolutionary lens,
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  Speaker 3: but the answer lies in the evolutionary lens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so botch TV. I hope that that helps. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I would say. Like, definitely, Look,
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  Speaker 2: don't even worry about women right now. Just focus on
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  Speaker 2: like bros and yourself a little bit, right, That's right,
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  Speaker 2: But understand too that you.
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  Speaker 3: Being the best version of yourself is likely going to
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  Speaker 3: result eventually in a woman stepping right in front of
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  Speaker 3: you in her own subtle way and saying, wife me up.
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  Speaker 1: No exactly if she's not interested in you.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not the best version of yourself, you're not
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  Speaker 3: the long time, right. And it's a red pill thing
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: where they say ignoral women be the best, and women say,
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  Speaker 3: well that's MiG tau. No, it's not. Being the best
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  Speaker 3: version of yourself means that you're going to be quietly
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  Speaker 3: admired inside the community quietly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, until somebody approaches you in front.
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  Speaker 3: Of you, make eye contacts, strike up a conversation, and
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: what she's really saying when she does that, be careful
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: about sexual or perception biased. It's not that you maked,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: but she may very well be saying I find you
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  Speaker 3: quite interesting, and I'm thinking about whether you're family mature.
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  Speaker 3: And then you're in. But you're if you've made the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: best version of yourself, if you've worked on that, yes, right, yeah,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: don't get stuck in relationships so quick, be your best
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  Speaker 3: self and eventually a woman may very well just walk
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  Speaker 3: up to you and say, wife me out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they don't, you'll probably be okay with
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  Speaker 2: that too by that time. Yeah, like so yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. But look, thank you, botch. I really got
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  Speaker 2: to wrap it up. I think Xavier has hand up again,
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  Speaker 2: no problem, thank.
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  Speaker 5: You quick, just as if I could get through no interruptions,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: it'll be less than forty five seconds. So I put
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  Speaker 5: something in the nest and and it's the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You could hear advice from everybody, but it's really your
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: choice at the end to work on you and take
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: the best advice you can because The conversation is happening
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: where the the you know, the Mike Tower's saying, don't
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: even bother the ANDW tates name for superficial bogies. And
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: we have the christ people who have a great morality stance.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, it is kind of servitude
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: when you have no authority, but you are executing your
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: gender roles. So there's pluses and minances in every every
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: different avenue and people that you talk to.
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  Speaker 1: And kudos to you.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: You're a zoomer.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: You guys got it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean everything was set it up for you for failure.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if it's the Internet that you
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: guys know how to navigate information well and skip through
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: Toro proper banda. But you guys are really really base
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: even though it was set up for you to fail.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: So even though you have the worst of it, you
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: have the best of it too, So take your advice.
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  Speaker 5: The conversations are happening. And the reason I put that
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: on the ness is everybody has their their formula right
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: and yeah, you know something's antiquated. You take you learn
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: the history, not only to not repeat the mistakes that
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: you know we don't want to repeat, but you want
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: to keep it work well too. There were some great
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: things that the church did.
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  Speaker 1: There's some good yeah for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Take everything on its own. Don't worry about where it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: comes from. Uh, just look at it objectively. The purpose
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: of wisdom is to look back at what worked and
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: then implement that in like a new context, not to
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: just disregard it because it's old, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree. I mean I got a pretty
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  Speaker 1: base grandma though.
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  Speaker 2: Dope, all right, So look, I really I went way
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  Speaker 2: over on time. This has been great though. I appreciate
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: mankind versus modern feminism for coming on, and thank you
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: mister X and Brian for saying saying a few things.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: And those of you guys who are watching so mankind
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: real quick?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Are you just on X? Where can people follow you?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: I'm just an X right now.
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  Speaker 6: I am developing some material, but I don't want to
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: have facet and I don't want and I want to
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: be careful, right yeah, because really, if we can't reach
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: some women with what we're saying, and the system, the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: evolved bias is set up in a way to make
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: that very very difficult, challenging thed innistry.
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  Speaker 3: It's backfire effects like challenging modern feminist isn't cool, right,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: It's not going to help even though I do it
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: all the time. It's not helpful. Can't help myself. I
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: do it all the time. So I don't have any
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: socials yet. It's just on X, but I will do
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: some things please. I think the education piece here for
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: men particularly is actually essential and i'd like to be
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: part of that over time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Well definitely we'll have you on sometime again
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: if you if you like. And uh, this is good
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: stuff and I mean not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Alison would have some like a good conversation with you
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: about these concepts, as well as Karen.
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  Speaker 1: She's pretty steeped into.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: The evolutionary stuff, so all right she is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: she's very like they're both very knowledgeable on these things.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: But okay, I'm gonna end the space here, so thank
• 1:38:39
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• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: everybody here if you since you're in the room with them. Christina,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess you didn't want to say anything.
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