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Navy Medic Abducted by 15-Foot-Tall Praying Mantis Aliens: The Kevin Kammann Story · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Preston Dennett. Thank you for joining me
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  Speaker 2: for a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I
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  Speaker 2: truly appreciate it. I've got a very special episode for
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  Speaker 2: you today. It's one I've wanted to do for a
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  Speaker 2: very long time. It's all about one man's encounter with
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  Speaker 2: praying mantis-type extraterrestrials. So I call this episode Navy Medic
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  Speaker 2: Abducted by 15-Foot-Tall Praying Mantis Aliens The Kevin Kamen Story.
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  Speaker 2: What's interesting about his case is he recalled this fully consciously.
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  Speaker 2: This is not remembered with hypnosis. It was a very
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  Speaker 2: scary encounter for him, though it was truly a benevolent encounter. Technically,
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  Speaker 2: it's a CE5, a close encounter of the fifth kind, human-initiated,
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  Speaker 2: because he asked for it. And I think this is
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of a cautionary tale as well. Be
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  Speaker 2: careful what you ask for, because you just might get it.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't want to give you any more spoilers.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just get to it. Let me tell you about
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  Speaker 2: the witness, Kevin Kamen. Kevin Kamen was born in 1954
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  Speaker 2: and grew up with his fraternal twin brother, Kim Kamen,
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  Speaker 2: in the town of Kankakee, Illinois. Incidentally, his twin brother, Kim,
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  Speaker 2: also had encounters, but with gray aliens. Kevin graduated from
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  Speaker 2: high school in 1972 And following this, he worked at
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  Speaker 2: a local hospital, and this got him interested in the
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  Speaker 2: medical field. On February 28, 1973, Kevin joined the Navy.
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  Speaker 2: He was assigned to Camp Pendleton, where he went through
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  Speaker 2: medical training to become a corpsman, a medic. He took
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  Speaker 2: a break and rejoined in 1978, and was assigned as
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  Speaker 2: a corpsman to the USS San Bernardino, LST 1189. The
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  Speaker 2: first person he met on board this ship was a
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  Speaker 2: man by the name of Jeff Reich, who was from Gary, Indiana,
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  Speaker 2: not far from Kankakee, Illinois. So he already had a
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  Speaker 2: connection with Jeff. Jeff was a personnel clerk, and the
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  Speaker 2: two men ended up sharing a cabin. They soon became
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  Speaker 2: fast friends and would often go on leave together. Kevin
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  Speaker 2: was amazed by the way Jeff seemed fearless of experiencing
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  Speaker 2: new things. and he marveled at the way he would
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  Speaker 2: gobble down all of the bizarre foreign delicacies. For example,
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  Speaker 2: one time while they were on leave, Jeff gleefully ate
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  Speaker 2: a big bowl of cream of fish head soup, complete
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  Speaker 2: with fish eyeballs, while Kevin looked on in horror. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff was an unusual gentleman. As you can see, after
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  Speaker 2: several years of being on board this ship together, Kevin
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  Speaker 2: and Jeff became pretty close friends. But little did Kevin
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  Speaker 2: know that his friend, his roommate, his fellow Navy man
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  Speaker 2: was keeping an incredible secret from him. And Kevin was
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  Speaker 2: now about to find out what his friend's secret was.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff had an incredible revelation to share. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: this next segment is about, Jeff's revelation. One day around
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  Speaker 2: June of 1982, Kevin was busy doing paperwork in the
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  Speaker 2: medical center on the ship when his friend Jeff walked
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  Speaker 2: in and asked him, out of the blue, do you
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  Speaker 2: believe in UFOs? Now, Kevin instantly thought back to the
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  Speaker 2: term paper he had done in high school about UFOs.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone in class was expected to write a paper on
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  Speaker 2: a controversial subject, and thinking he could disprove the phenomena,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin chose the subject of UFOs. And instead of disproving it,
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  Speaker 2: he came away convinced. And he wrote his term paper
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  Speaker 2: concluding that UFOs do exist. However, he had never actually
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  Speaker 2: seen one and really didn't think much about them. So
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  Speaker 2: Kevin told Jeff about this term paper and the similarities
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  Speaker 2: he had found between people's stories and told him, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like there's something to it. It can't all just
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  Speaker 2: be a hoax. And this was when his friend Jeff
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  Speaker 2: dropped a bomb and said, quote, I've been in contact
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  Speaker 2: with aliens since I was eight years old. I've been
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  Speaker 2: on board quite a few times. So Kevin looked in
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  Speaker 2: shock at his best friend and said, you're kidding. At
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  Speaker 2: this time, they were far out at sea, somewhere in
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific Ocean, a few days out from the Philippines.
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  Speaker 2: So the subject of UFOs had come up, and Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: out of the blue, was now claiming that his, quote,
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  Speaker 2: alien friends had taken him on board many times. He
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  Speaker 2: told Kevin that they had taken him from his farm
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  Speaker 2: when he was a kid in Gary, Indiana, and had
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  Speaker 2: followed him his entire life. and he said that he
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  Speaker 2: was still in touch with them and that they had
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  Speaker 2: actually taken him to their planet and to several other
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  Speaker 2: planets and even to other galaxies. So needless to say,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin was quite skeptical and he started peppering his friend
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  Speaker 2: Jeff with all kinds of questions, but Jeff stuck to
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  Speaker 2: his story, explaining that the ETs were his friends, that
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  Speaker 2: they could time travel, and much more. And as Kevin says,
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  Speaker 2: I was asking him all kinds of questions. Out of
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  Speaker 2: everything that he told me, and this is almost three
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  Speaker 2: hours of conversation, the only real thing I remember was
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  Speaker 2: that on one of the planets that he went to,
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  Speaker 2: he said that the sunflowers grow to be 50 feet tall,
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  Speaker 2: with the sunflower dish itself being roughly 30 feet in diameter.
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  Speaker 2: He said that the sunflower seeds, and these are dark,
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  Speaker 2: dark red sunflowers with dark, dark red and orange leaves,
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  Speaker 2: the sunflowers themselves being red, He said that the sunflower
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  Speaker 2: seeds were about the size of a thumb. So Kevin
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  Speaker 2: just shook his head in disbelief. And as he says,
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking this was an incredible story that he
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  Speaker 2: was telling me. So Kevin did not really believe him.
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  Speaker 2: As he says, I believe that he believed what he
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  Speaker 2: was telling me. He had known Jeff for about four years,
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  Speaker 2: ever since August of 1978, when they were both assigned
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  Speaker 2: to the same compartment. Kevin was one of two hospital
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  Speaker 2: corpsmen on the ship. And they were both, at this time,
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  Speaker 2: in their 20s. Now Jeff said that he had last
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  Speaker 2: been taken on board only a month earlier. This was
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  Speaker 2: still when they were on the ship. So this was
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  Speaker 2: very hard for Kevin to believe. But Jeff said that
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  Speaker 2: all he had to do was mentally call out to
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  Speaker 2: the ETs and they would come. So Kevin told Jeff
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  Speaker 2: that while he believed in UFOs, he couldn't help but
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  Speaker 2: be a little skeptical of his claims. Jeff just smiled.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin wasn't happy about this because as a medic, as
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  Speaker 2: a corpsman, it was his duty to ensure the health
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  Speaker 2: of the crewmen. And now Jeff had put him in
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  Speaker 2: a tight spot. With a wild story like this, Kevin
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  Speaker 2: had questions about Jeff's mental health and protocol demanded that
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  Speaker 2: he ride up and do a psychiatric evaluation about his
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  Speaker 2: friend Jeff. Now here's what happened because it was only
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  Speaker 2: two days later. Kevin was in their compartment when Jeff
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  Speaker 2: walked in and said, You know that conversation we had
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  Speaker 2: the other night? And Kevin said, yeah, that's all I've
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  Speaker 2: been thinking about. Jeff replied, well, my friends, they came
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  Speaker 2: and got me. Kevin was still disbelieving. He said, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's nice. Where did you go? And Jeff said, I
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  Speaker 2: went to your house in Kankakee. I just got back
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  Speaker 2: from a trip to your house. So Kevin looked at
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  Speaker 2: him with utter disbelief that his home was thousands of
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  Speaker 2: miles away from where they were. No aircraft had come
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  Speaker 2: and gone from the ship. There was no possible way
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  Speaker 2: Jeff could have visited Kevin's home. So he asked him,
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? And Jeff repeated, My
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  Speaker 2: friends took me to your house. I was at your house.
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  Speaker 2: I just got back. Still disbelieving, Kevin said, Yeah, sure
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  Speaker 2: you were. That's interesting. What did you see? It was
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  Speaker 2: at this point that Jeff looked him in the eye
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  Speaker 2: and told him to listen. As Kevin says, He started
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  Speaker 2: describing things about my house, and I started to get upset.
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  Speaker 2: And the more he described, the more upset I was getting.
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  Speaker 2: He described a 1966 Ford Galaxy 500 that my parents had,
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  Speaker 2: down to the chocolate milkshake stain on the back seat.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have any pictures of that particular car. He
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  Speaker 2: had never seen any pictures of that car, so he
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  Speaker 2: had no idea that we even owned it. And yet,
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  Speaker 2: he had a lot of details about it correct. Then
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  Speaker 2: he started describing some of the furniture that was in
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  Speaker 2: the house and the carpet that we had. The details
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  Speaker 2: were too accurate to think that he was making this up.
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  Speaker 2: He described my bedroom. He described things we had written
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  Speaker 2: on the wall in our bedroom. He had so many
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  Speaker 2: details and he had them so right that I was
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  Speaker 2: wondering how he had this information. He started describing the kitchen,
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  Speaker 2: the way it looked before it got remodeled. Everything he
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  Speaker 2: told me was the God's honest truth. The answers he
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  Speaker 2: was giving me brought up all kinds of questions. And
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  Speaker 2: he said his friends had come and gotten him and
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  Speaker 2: taken him to my house. So Kevin was shocked and upset,
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  Speaker 2: and he began to wonder if Jeff might be hooked
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  Speaker 2: up with the CIA or something. But even that wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: explain all these strange details. And what was even more
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  Speaker 2: strange was that everything Jeff was describing, while totally accurate,
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  Speaker 2: was at least 10, maybe 15 years in the past.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the 1966 Ford Galaxy had been sold in 1970.
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  Speaker 2: The furniture and carpet Jeff described had also been thrown
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  Speaker 2: away more than 10 years earlier. Even the details about
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  Speaker 2: Kevin's bedroom, while correct, applied to the early 1970s. So
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  Speaker 2: this bizarre out-of-time aspect of Jeff's descriptions upset Kevin deeply.
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  Speaker 2: just as much as the accuracy of the information itself,
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  Speaker 2: mainly because it seemed to be an absolute impossibility. The
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  Speaker 2: details were so correct that it was undeniable that Jeff
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  Speaker 2: had apparently been to Kevin's house as he claimed, but
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  Speaker 2: the only way he could have seen what he did
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  Speaker 2: was if he had somehow time-traveled. But of course, Kevin
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  Speaker 2: assumed this was impossible. But what other explanation was there?
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  Speaker 2: Whatever the reason, Kevin was intrigued. Perhaps he thought Jeff
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  Speaker 2: was telling the truth after all. But as Kevin says,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what to think, but I had to
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  Speaker 2: believe it. Because I heard it. I'm getting more and
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  Speaker 2: more upset. So he turned to Jeff and said, Okay then,
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  Speaker 2: if what you're telling me is the truth, I want
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  Speaker 2: to meet your little green friends. That's an exact quote.
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  Speaker 2: So Jeff raised his eyebrows and smiled and he said, Kevin,
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  Speaker 2: it's not up to me. It's totally up to them.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell them. I'll talk to them and see what
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  Speaker 2: they have to say. If they want to, then they will.
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  Speaker 2: It's totally up to them. So Kevin, now a little
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  Speaker 2: bit angry, got real close, poked him in the chest
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  Speaker 2: and said, You do it. Make it effin' happen. So
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  Speaker 2: Jeff said, I'll talk to them. I can't promise you anything.
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  Speaker 2: I'll let you know in a couple of days. So
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  Speaker 2: Kevin's conversation with his friend Jeff left him reeling and
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  Speaker 2: really wondering who his friend was and was he really
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  Speaker 2: in contact with ETs. And yeah, he did ask to
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  Speaker 2: meet Jeff's little green friends, but again, it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of in jest. He wasn't really expecting to have this
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  Speaker 2: request fulfilled. Little did he know, that Jeff, of course,
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  Speaker 2: was in contact with ETs, and that Kevin would now
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  Speaker 2: be receiving an invitation to go on board. So that's
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  Speaker 2: what this next segment is about, the invitation. While Kevin
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  Speaker 2: was convinced that there had to be some truth to
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  Speaker 2: Jeff's claims, he still didn't really take his promise to
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  Speaker 2: talk to the aliens seriously. Then, two days later, Jeff
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  Speaker 2: came up to Kevin and said, well, I talked to them.
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  Speaker 2: And they said that they'll be more than happy to
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  Speaker 2: take you for a little ride. Kevin just laughed. He
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  Speaker 2: couldn't take this seriously. He just said, sure, no problem.
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  Speaker 2: He was still thinking that this was somehow a joke.
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  Speaker 2: So he asked them, when? And Jeff said, tomorrow. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. So the next day started normally. Kevin reported
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  Speaker 2: to his post and performed his daily duties. On the ship,
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  Speaker 2: lunch was served from 11.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: To 1 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: And suddenly.
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  Speaker 2: Before lunch, Jeff popped into the compartment where Kevin was
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  Speaker 2: staying and said, Today. That's all he said, nothing else.
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  Speaker 2: And Kevin said, What do you mean? Jeff replied, They'll
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  Speaker 2: be here to get you right after lunch. So lunch came.
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  Speaker 2: As a medic, Kevin had first-in-line privileges. He got his lunch,
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  Speaker 2: finished it in the mess hall. It was before noon,
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  Speaker 2: and he went back to his cabin. More shortly later,
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  Speaker 2: that Jeff walked in and said, they're here. Kevin asked him, what? Who?
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  Speaker 2: Jeff replied, go ahead. Go up on the main deck
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  Speaker 2: and you will see them. So still skeptical, thinking this
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  Speaker 2: is all a joke, Kevin left his cabin and walked
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  Speaker 2: the very short distance to the main deck. And the
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  Speaker 2: moment he got on deck, he saw it. An enormous,
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  Speaker 2: beautiful object hovering alongside the ship at an altitude he
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  Speaker 2: estimates of only a few hundred feet. He literally could
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  Speaker 2: not believe his eyes. This object was very bright, glittering
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  Speaker 2: with all kinds of colors, and huge. As Kevin says,
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  Speaker 2: I walked up on the main deck, and there in
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  Speaker 2: front of me was this object that was maybe six
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  Speaker 2: city blocks big. It was the biggest thing I've ever
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  Speaker 2: seen in my life. We're talking something the size of downtown.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this thing was huge. and it was glowing
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  Speaker 2: all these beautiful colors. It was like a diamond. If
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  Speaker 2: you were to take a diamond about that big and
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  Speaker 2: shine a bright light through it and spin it, there
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  Speaker 2: were all the colors of the rainbow. It was just
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  Speaker 2: flashing all these beautiful bright colors in a random pattern.
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  Speaker 2: There was red, yellow, green, purple, orange, all these intense colors,
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  Speaker 2: and they were all as bright as the sun. It
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  Speaker 2: was beautiful, absolutely beautiful. It was the most beautiful thing
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  Speaker 2: I had ever seen in my life. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: making a sound. And it's perfectly still. So Kevin's ship
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  Speaker 2: was exactly 528 feet long. This enormous object, he estimates,
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  Speaker 2: it looked to him like it was at least three
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  Speaker 2: times longer. It could have been much larger. It hung
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  Speaker 2: by the ship, extending past it on both ends. The
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  Speaker 2: sheer size of it was frightening. Then he remembered that
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  Speaker 2: he was supposed to be taken for a ride. And
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  Speaker 2: he thought to himself, I changed my mind. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to go. I don't want to meet them anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Just seeing the craft was enough. So what was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a joke had suddenly become deadly serious. He
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: stared at the object for only a few seconds before
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  Speaker 2: he began to wonder, because there were approximately 250 people
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  Speaker 2: on board the ship, and many of them were on deck.
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  Speaker 2: Surely somebody else had to be seeing this. And only
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  Speaker 2: a few feet away from him were two men who
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  Speaker 2: were engrossed in a conversation about apparently totally unaware of
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  Speaker 2: the mountain-sized object hovering nearby. Kevin recognized one of them, Brooks,
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  Speaker 2: a mess cook, and ran up to him. He grabbed
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  Speaker 2: his shoulder and began shaking him vigorously, while at the
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  Speaker 2: same time pointing towards the ship and screaming, Look, Brooks!
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  Speaker 4: Look!
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  Speaker 2: Look up here!
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  Speaker 3: Look!
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  Speaker 1: Brooks!
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  Speaker 2: Look at this! But no matter how hard he tried,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin could not get his attention. Brooks was engrossed in
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  Speaker 2: his conversation with another man. And as Kevin says, he
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  Speaker 2: acted like I wasn't even there. He just ignored me.
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  Speaker 2: No response. As you can imagine, this sighting left Kevin
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  Speaker 2: absolutely amazed. This was an absolute shock to him. It
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  Speaker 2: was clear to him at this point that his friend
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  Speaker 2: Jeff was telling the truth. And honestly, he told me
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  Speaker 2: that this sighting would have been enough. He thought that
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  Speaker 2: this would be the end of it. Little did he know,
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  Speaker 2: This was just the beginning, and he was about to
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  Speaker 2: be taken on board. So that's what this next segment
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  Speaker 2: is called, Taken On Board. So Kevin was still shaking
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  Speaker 2: Brooks' shoulder when there was a strange shift, and Kevin
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  Speaker 2: suddenly found that he was no longer on the deck
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  Speaker 2: of the USS San Bernardino. Instead, he was looking down
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  Speaker 2: at it from above. And with a sickening thud, he
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  Speaker 2: realized that he was now on board the humongous UFO.
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  Speaker 2: As Kevin says... All of a sudden, I'm on this craft,
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  Speaker 2: looking down, and I can see right through the wall
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  Speaker 2: and right through the floor. No matter where I look,
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  Speaker 2: I can see through it. I could see that it
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  Speaker 2: was solid all around the outside edges, but where I
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  Speaker 2: was looking at it through the center, it was perfectly clear.
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  Speaker 2: It was like looking through a window, and I could
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  Speaker 2: see my ship pulling away. So Kevin stood next to
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  Speaker 2: the wall of this giant craft, peering out, and each
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  Speaker 2: time he turned his head, an oval-shaped section of the
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: ship turned transparent exactly where he was looking, and he
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: looked down at his ship receding into the distance. Still,
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  Speaker 2: it was obvious to him that he was physically on
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  Speaker 2: board this E.T. craft, and he thought to himself, Oh
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  Speaker 2: my God, I'm AWOL! It was at that instant a
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  Speaker 2: male voice came into his head and said, in an emotionless,
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  Speaker 2: monotone voice, in perfect English, No, you're not. They don't
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  Speaker 2: even know you're gone. This voice sent a shock of
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  Speaker 2: fear through Kevin and reminded him again that he was
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  Speaker 2: no longer on the Navy ship. And he thought to himself,
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  Speaker 2: my God, this can't be happening. This can't be true.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, a second, different male voice responded, again telepathically,
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  Speaker 2: in perfect English, yes, it is. It's what you wanted.
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  Speaker 2: So Kevin is now just trying to remain calm. He
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  Speaker 2: was too frightened to turn around. And he watched in
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  Speaker 2: astonishment as the craft seemed to descend. It came right
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  Speaker 2: alongside the Navy ship and sailed along the side of it.
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  Speaker 2: So now he could see himself on the deck of
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  Speaker 2: the Navy ship, shaking Brooks' shoulder, jumping up and down
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  Speaker 2: and pointing at the UFO. This was very confusing to him.
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  Speaker 2: As Kevin says, I'm in two places at once. That
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  Speaker 2: was the thought going through my mind. How the F
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  Speaker 2: can I be in two places at once? Yet there
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  Speaker 2: I was, seeing it. That was a mind-blowing experience. Finding
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  Speaker 2: himself on board was incredibly shocking for Kevin. He never
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  Speaker 2: really expected this to happen, that he couldn't deny it
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: was happening, and this was absolutely very difficult for him
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  Speaker 2: to process, very scary for him, but little did he know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: his encounter was just beginning. And the ETs were going
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to do something that left him even more amazed. They
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: were about to take him back in time. So that's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the name of the next segment, A Trip Back in Time. Now,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: there was a quick unexpected shift, and Kevin realized that
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: they had moved to a completely different location. This ET
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: craft was now hovering over an urban area. Kevin was
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: still looking outside through the transparent section of the craft,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: and with a sudden jolt, he realized that he was
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: looking at the downtown section of Kankakee, Illinois, his hometown.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: In fact, they were hovering just above Court Street and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Shuler Avenue, right next to what was then the City
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: National Bank building. And this was where his father was
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: employed as an executive. This building was six stories tall.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: The craft hovered directly next to the building, right between
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the fourth and fifth floors. And looking straight out, Kevin
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: was amazed to see that he could not only see
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: through the ship, but through the walls of the bank building,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: which were somehow transparent. As Kevin says, I could see
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: inside of the building. I could see the steel I-beams
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that hold up the building. I could see the air
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: conditioners and heating ducts. I could see the water pipes
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and the electrical conduits and all the substructure of the building.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I could see the water running through the pipes. Not
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: only could I see that, I could see through all that,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: three or four rooms deep. And I was looking at
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: my father sitting at his desk. So Kevin naturally was amazed.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Only moments earlier, he had been on the other side
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of the world. Now here he was in his hometown,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: but it was still daytime and his father was at work.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: So clearly the craft had done more than just travel
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to the other side of the planet. Otherwise, it would
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: be nighttime in Kankakee, Illinois. Therefore, again, it appeared to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Kevin that they must have time traveled. So he watched
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: as his father was conducting business in his office, talking
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to other people who were in there. He was shaking
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: someone's hand. But before he had a chance to observe
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: any further, there was another sudden shift, and they were
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: now six miles away from the bank, hovering about 400
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: feet above the church where his mom worked as a
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: schoolteacher at the Grace Christian Baptist Church Academy Christian School. Again,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Kevin was able to see through the floor of the craft,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: through the ceiling of the church, and into the room
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: where his mother was teaching. As Kevin says, all the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: students were sitting at their desks. I could see in
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: their desks. I could see my mother standing at the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: front of the class writing on a blackboard. I vividly
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: remember what she was writing. It's a reference to Jesus,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. I don't know what Bible verse. I didn't
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: see the whole thing. I just saw her writing, his
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: countenance is white as snow. So at this point, one
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of the voices spoke telepathically and told Kevin, you have
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: good parents. Your mother and father are both honorable people.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: They are very good people and have done a good job.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So Kevin's now wondering to himself, how do they know
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: my parents? Why are they showing me this? Slightly calmed
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: but still too afraid to turn around and look at
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: who was talking to him, Kevin had no time to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: think before there was another shift. He felt no movement.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: During all of this, he never had any sensation of movement.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: No accelerations, no decelerations. but suddenly he was someplace else.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: This part of the experience really puzzled Kevin and really
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: shocked him. It was clear that his friend Jeff was
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: right all along. These ETs apparently did have the ability
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to travel back in time, which of course raised all
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: kinds of questions. But equally puzzling was the fact that
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the ETs were showing him his parents and saying all
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: these things. He was really wondering why the heck they
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: were showing him this how much they knew about his
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: parents and about himself. Again, things were about to get
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: a whole lot weirder because now they were going to
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: take him on a trip to the moon. So that's
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the next segment, a trip to the moon. So Kevin
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: was still looking through the solid wall of the craft,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: which was transparent. And instead of his hometown of Kankakee, Illinois,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: he now saw something very different. And as Kevin says,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: we're cruising along. And it's cold. I can tell it's cold.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It's dark and it's gray. And I'm looking down through
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: this craft, and it looks like miles and miles and
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: miles of gray, black, dark sand. And then it looks
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: like craters down below me. Big craters, little craters, a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: couple of ridges, a small mountain off in the distance.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking we're at some desert somewhere at a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: bombing range. And I was thinking to myself, my God,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: this looks like the moon. I'm trying to think what
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: bombing range this is. And then we crested up over
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a ridge and there was Earth, just laid out in
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: front of us, about the size of a tennis ball.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: And I will never forget seeing the North American and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: South American continent and the globe off in the distance,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: just like you see in the pictures taken from the moon. Earth.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Now Kevin candidly admits that he nearly loosened his bowels
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: at this sight. He had no idea why they were
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: showing him this. And as Kevin says, That's when I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: reached over with my left hand and pinched the back
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: of my right hand as hard as I could until
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: it bled. I made sure I got it bleeding so
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I would have that scar. That's when I did that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And I hadn't been with those bastards 30 seconds yet.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: They took me to the dark side of the moon. However,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: seconds later, there was another shift. and the ship was
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: now in a very different location. This time Kevin was
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: again convinced that they had time traveled, because once again
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: he was now over his hometown of Kankakee, Illinois, but
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: now looking at himself as a young child. As Kevin says,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: We were over my house where I grew up when
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I was a kid. I saw myself coming out of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the house. I was maybe 12 years old. I walked
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: across the street and talked to my grandmother who was
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: sitting on the front porch. She died in 1972. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I saw myself talking to her. We were hovering above
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: my house, and I could see two or three blocks around.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And I saw myself walk down the corner and into
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the grocery store. And as I shut the door to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the grocery store, boom. So far, he had been on
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: board only a few moments, and all the ETs were
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: doing was showing him things. All of this was going
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: very rapidly for him. Again, very hard for him to process.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: He still knew nothing about the ETs, what they looked like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: where they came from, really anything. But he was now
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: about to have the rare opportunity to speak to the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: ETs and have a Q & A session and learn
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: a lot about them, who they are, where they come from,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and so forth. And in fact, the ETs not only
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: told him about themselves, but began to give him messages
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: about himself, Kevin, and, of course, about humanity. These included
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: messages and events about both the past and the future.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So I call this next segment, A Conversation with Extraterrestrials.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: At this time, Kevin felt himself not only on the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: edge of panic, but he was suffering from sensory overload.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: He was still too afraid to turn around and look,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: but he gathered his wits and began to ask questions.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: He didn't speak out loud, and instead just thought his questions.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And these questions were answered as soon as he thought them.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: He asked mentally, where are you from? Again, this entire
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: conversation was telepathic. The ETs spoke perfect, unaccented, unemotional, monotone English.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And their response was astounding. As Kevin says, instantly, all
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: these lights floated around me, and I was standing in
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the middle of it, and it was a 3D star chart.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I figured it was our galaxy, and I looked off
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to our right, and I was able to pick out
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: our solar system. It was like a 3D model of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: our solar system, and it covered an area of 5
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: to 7 feet. I recognized Jupiter and Mars, I saw
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the Earth and the Moon, and I realized I was
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: standing in the middle of this 3D star chart, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: it's all moving. Then, the room I'm in expanded. It
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: just grew outward 5, 6, maybe 700 or 800 feet.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I have no idea in every direction around me. And
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: all of this is showing space, planets, and galaxies, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: all of that. So they asked Kevin, Do you see
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that red flashing light at the far end? About 75
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: feet away from him, on the opposite end of this room,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: there was a tiny star that was blinking a vivid red.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And the ET spoke telepathically and told him, That's where
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: we are from. As Kevin says, They told me the
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: name of their planet, but I couldn't begin to say
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: what it was. It sounded like zzzzz or something like that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Some kind of noise a bug would make. And don't
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: quote me on that because I couldn't understand what they said.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It didn't sound like anything we know. It had a
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: lot of syllables. They told me they were roughly six
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: light years away and that they can travel from our
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: planet to theirs in three and a half months. They
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: told me that they speak every language on our planet, fluently,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: every dialect. including languages that have been dead for thousands
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: of years. So they also told Kevin the name of
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: their species, and as Kevin says, So he now asked them,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And they replied, like gibberish, because they were talking among themselves,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: and it was all gibberish to me. So he now
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: asked them, Why are you here? And they replied, We
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: have been here a long time. Our objective is only
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to observe. We are not here to interfere with your
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: religious beliefs or your political beliefs. We are only here
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: to observe. Kevin asked them, Do you eat? They replied, Yes,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: we eat. They told him that they don't eat the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: same way we do, but instead take their food in
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: kind of an osmosis way, absorbing through the skin. Kevin's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: not fully sure about this. And he asked them, are
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: you going to eat me? And he said the ETs
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: seemed amused and said, no, you watch too many horror movies.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: We are not going to eat you. We are here
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: only to observe. Kevin didn't really watch horror movies, so
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that was an odd answer. They then told Kevin that
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: when humans discovered and began testing atomic weaponry, it caused
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: them and many other ETs to pay much closer attention.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And as Kevin says, Now at that point, they didn't
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: explain what they meant by a countdown clock, but Kevin
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: had the impression that it meant some type of apocalyptic scenario.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And as Kevin says, They wouldn't elaborate, but they told
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: me that basically it was like a signal to them,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and that's when they started observing us. They then proceeded
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to show Kevin a series of what appeared to be
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: future natural disasters that would occur on various locations on
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the planet, all on a vivid three-dimensional screen, as if
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: you were actually there watching this scene from a window.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: And as Kevin says, they showed me mudslides, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, floods,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and more hurricanes. These were natural disasters that were going
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: to happen. They showed me things of the future. They
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: showed me things of the past, some of the things
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: of the present. They showed me about 30 minutes of
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: interesting things. It was not a happy thing. Everything they
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: were showing me was death and destruction on a major scale.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I got to see parts of a war. I couldn't
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: tell you what war. I couldn't tell you where or when.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: But I saw a lot of stuff blowing up and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of people getting killed. So while they were
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: showing him all of this, they said, and I quote,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Some of what you see has already been. Some of
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: what you see has yet to be. These are things
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: that are going to come. The destiny will be fulfilled.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: They would repeat this phrase throughout the whole display. And
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the images Kevin saw looked perfectly real to him, as
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: if he was there. They then showed him something which
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: chilled him to the bone. They showed him his own future.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And it was not happy. As Kevin says, the very
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: last thing I saw was me riding a 2003 Harley
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Davidson Sportster motorcycle and being hit broadside by a car
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and laying on the ground not moving. I could tell
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I was a little bit older, a few years older.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I was riding a motorcycle and I got hit. It
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: was just a freak accident. I saw myself on a
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: motorcycle and I saw a car hit me. I didn't
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: see where it came from or anything like that because
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: it happened so quickly. And I only saw maybe five
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: seconds of the whole thing. But I saw myself lying
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: on the ground and it looked like I wasn't moving.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I figured I was dead. I thought they showed me
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: how I died. So Kevin continued to ask them questions
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and the beings answered with a flood of information. As
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Kevin says... They told me the Roswell crash was true.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: They told me that they themselves did not have a government.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: They told me that they do interact with our government,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and that there were four other species that they knew
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: of that also interact with our government. And not only
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: do they interact with our government, they interact with most
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of the other major governments on the face of the earth,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: and they have been for years and years. They told me, quote,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, we interact with your government all the time.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: They told me that they knew of four other species
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: that are interacting. They also told me that they can
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: cloak themselves. If there is a group of people standing around,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: they can make themselves visible to half the group and
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: not to half of the group. So Kevin asked many
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: other questions, though this experience was so overwhelming that he's
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: really not sure if he remembers everything that occurred. But
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: he does remember that at one point he asked them,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: is there a God? He said the ETs hesitated for
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: only a moment, during which he felt that he was
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: sensing fear coming from them. And they answered, Kevin was
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: puzzled and concerned by this response. It really made him
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: question their motives. And each time he thought about where
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: he was and what was happening to him, he would
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: feel another wave of fear. As Kevin says, You've got
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to understand. I was scared to death the whole time
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: this was going on. I was fearful for my life.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I still hadn't looked at them yet. I still didn't
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: know what they looked like. So in fact, Kevin was
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: so distracted and frightened to observe that he still had
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: no idea what the craft looked like. All he was
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: looking at was the floor or the wall. The floor
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: appeared to be kind of a dark metal grate. He
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: saw what looked to be steam rising from below. He
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: did say the room was very well lit. but we
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: couldn't pinpoint any light source. And as Kevin says, I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: know there was more than one level because I do
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: remember seeing some stairs that went down below me. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: remember looking under the grate, through the grate, because it
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: was like walking on a fire escape. All of this
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: was incredibly shocking to Kevin. He wondered why they were
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: showing him all of this. This was far more than
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: he bargained for. It was really upsetting to him, even
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: though he admits... None of this was malevolent. It was
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: just a lot to take. He could barely believe it
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: was happening, and yet there was no denying his own eyes.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: There was no doubt in his mind that he was
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: on board this craft. But again, he still had no
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: idea what the ETs looked like. And this, he was
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: about to find out, and this would be the most
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: shocking part of this encounter. So I call this next segment,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: The Mantid Aliens. So Kevin estimates that about 30 minutes
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: passed before he finally began to gather the courage to
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: turn around. But first he asked them, what do you
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: look like? They answered, well, we're not little and we're
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: not green. And as Kevin says, it seemed to me
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: that they did have a sense of humor to a point.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Now in any other situation, Kevin would have been better
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: able to appreciate this humor and it did at least
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: serve to calm his nerves slightly. though he did notice
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: that that kind of evaded the question. They said, then,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: we don't look like you. Kevin said, well, that's nice,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: still waiting for a clearer response, at which the ETs replied,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: sometimes we might scare you if you look at us.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: So at this point, they told him to go to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the left to an opening where he would find a corridor.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Kevin did. He found himself inside a hallway about 25
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: to 30 feet high, 75 to 80 feet long, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: there was a large arched opening to his left. And
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: as Kevin says, So I went over there, and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: stood in the doorway, and I looked inside the room,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and I'm seeing all this old equipment, something like a 30s,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: 1940s sci-fi movie. So going inside, he saw a chest-high console,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: like a desk that extended about 20 feet along the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: inner circumference of the room. And as Kevin says, To me,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the console looked really cheap. And by that I mean
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: like something out of a 1950s science fiction movie. It
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: had a couple of little TV screens. It had switches
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and dials. There were three or four rows of switches
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: with maybe eight or ten on each row. There were
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: maybe two or three rows of what I would call
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: oven dials because that's what they reminded me of. They
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: were black. There was what appeared to be, to me, hieroglyphics,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: more like symbols. I don't know if it was writing
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: or not. There were a few lights, amber lights, red lights,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: green lights, yellow lights, so Kevin was surprised by the
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: sparse appearance of this console. Most of it was empty surface,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: with only a small portion having any equipment. Kevin was
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: also trained as a throttle man on his ship, the
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Control Room, which contained far more equipment than was present here.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Even the sets of Star Trek, he thought, looked more
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: advanced than this. At this point, Kevin noticed another strange effect.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: The console suddenly seemed to extend in length, while the
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: room itself would expand and contract at times. As Kevin says,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: it was weird. The console seemed to grow in length.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: And I know that sounds weird, but it also seemed
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: like the room got bigger too. At different times, it
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: seemed like I was in a compact area about 15
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: feet in diameter. At other times, it seemed like it
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: was 60 feet in diameter. He said the room was stunning.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: The walls and ceiling were dazzling white, and there were
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: also some shiny silver panels or beams situated throughout the room.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Kevin saw that he was standing against the wall of
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the room, almost on a chest-high panel that ran partway
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: across the inner circumference. So he stepped away from that
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and looked towards the center of the room. and this
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is when he saw the ETs. There was a raised
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: circular dais in the center of the room, and on
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: this dais were three enormous marble-white chairs with huge majestic
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: circular backrests. They appeared to be form-fitting, and as he watched,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the chairs swiveled and faced him, and he fell back
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: against the console, because sitting in the chairs were three
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: gigantic praying mantis humanoids. One of them stood up. Kevin
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: gulped as he realized that this figure was more than
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: twice his height. He estimates that it stood about 15
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: feet tall. To Kevin, they looked very much like enormous insects.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Their skin was milky white from head to toe. They
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: had a very long, slender body with stick-like legs. arms
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: that were very thin, three claw-like fingers on each hand,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: they had an enormous head, and two huge, roughly triangular-shaped
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: black eyes which rested on either side of the head.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Kevin estimated that their head was easily five times as
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: large as a human's, and their eyeballs alone looked like
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: they were larger than a basketball. He didn't notice any
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: ears or nose, however they did have a kind of
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: proboscis similar to what you'd find on a praying mantis. Now,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Kevin was most impressed by their incredible size, especially their heads,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and it was very clear to him that these beings
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: were exceedingly intelligent. As Kevin says, their head was four
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: times as big as ours, and their two eyes were
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: so huge that my head could fill up one eyeball
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: by itself. I noticed that when one of them turned
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: his head to the side, he had a membrane covering
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the outside of the skull, and you could see what
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: appeared to be gray brain matter. I could see little
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: lights lighting up a little bit, like clusters of lights.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I could see blood flowing through the brain. And I
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: just thought to myself, what a vast storehouse of knowledge.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: So at one point, the being leaned back in his chair,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: one of them dead, and allowed Kevin to examine him
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: from all sides. Following this, one of the figures stepped
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: off the dais and into the center of the room.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: He took two long strides and approached the console next
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: to Kevin and began turning one of the dials. Kevin
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: backed away, trying to put more distance between him and
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: this 15 foot tall figure, because he was frightened by
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the way such a large creature could move so quickly.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: As he said, they moved very quickly. And like I said,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: these things were at least 15 feet tall. I could
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: be underestimating their size. I've never seen anything that big
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: in my life. I could tell by looking at him,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: he was a lot bigger than me. And as he
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: got closer, the closer he got, the more I realized,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: This isn't looking human. This looked like a praying mantis insect.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: And when he got close enough, I could see he
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: was about 12 to 15 feet tall. I mean, we're
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: looking at an entity whose head is one-third the size
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: of its body. In other words, the head was five,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: five and a half feet. Great big black as coal eyes.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Two little holes for nostrils. Eggshell white, the whole rest
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: of the body. No sign of any clothing. They looked
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: like they were totally naked. Their body was skinny and thin,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: long legs, long arms. So suddenly all three of these
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: beings surrounded him, and one of them asked him, Would
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: you like to go to our planet? Kevin replied, No,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: thank you. While he had total freedom of movement, he
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: felt like he was totally at their mercy. He wanted
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: nothing more than to get away from these beings and
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: return back to his Navy ship. He had no idea
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: what their plans were with him, and he wondered if
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: they were going to experiment on him. And as Kevin says,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I remember feeling like a trapped rat, and I couldn't
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: find an escape because I knew that they knew what
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, so it wouldn't have done any good anyway.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: My concern was to get the hell out of there,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: which at the time really wasn't anything I had any
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: control over. I was totally at their mercy. and I
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: was just going along for the ride at this point,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and I was sorry as hell that I had even
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: asked to meet them. I was scared. I've got to say,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: if they were to make themselves known on earth, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: they were doing some of the things they were doing
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to me, to the average person, they would be treated
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: like gods. Everybody would be able to accept them. So now, suddenly,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: one of the creatures reached out to him. As Kevin says,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: he walked up to me and put his hand on
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: my shoulder. And that's when I became really fearful, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I started fighting them. I was hyperventilating. I was scared
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: to death. Kevin fought for just a few seconds before
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: suddenly losing consciousness, and that was the end of his experience,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: or at least that was all he could remember. So
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: that is Kevin's encounter, and it took him a long
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: time to unpack. In fact, the aftermath of the experience
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: was very traumatic for him. It impacted his life profoundly.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'd like to talk about next is
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the aftermath. What felt like seconds later, he regained consciousness
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: lying in his bed in his compartment on the ship.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: He was still frightened, hyperventilating, and trying to fight off
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the creatures. His shirt was completely soaked with perspiration. He
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: sat up abruptly, thought to himself, what just happened? Hadn't
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: he just been on board a UFO? Could it have
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: been a dream? He whipped open the privacy curtains around
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: his bed, and Jeff stood there grinning ear to ear
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and said, So, Kevin, tell me about your ride. Kevin
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was in no mood to talk. He was confused, scared, traumatized.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: He regrets it now, but he did not react well.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: He stared at Jeff coldly and walked away. As Kevin says,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I just walked away from him and ignored him. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: never talked to him again after that. Jeff, of course,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: tried to approach him numerous times, but Kevin effectively ended
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: their friendship. He was not so much mad at Jeff
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: as he was afraid of what had happened to him.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: The fear of becoming an alien specimen was too real
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to ignore. The mere sight of Jeff frightened Kevin. As
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Kevin said, We had gone to lots of places together.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: He was one of my best friends on the ship
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: at the time. But after that, he was no longer
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a friend as far as I was concerned. He was
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: somebody I feared. And I am pretty sure he was
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: upset about the fact that he lost a friend. We
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: wanted to be friends, but I was scared. To this day,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I wonder if he was really an alien passing himself
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: off as one of us or not. If he did,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: he did a great job of it, I always thought
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: he was normal. So immediately after the experience he did
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: notice that his left hand had a small wound on
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: it and he instantly recalled how he had gotten it
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: and he felt another wave of fear. This was another
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: piece of evidence that proved to him that his experience
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: was real. It was now almost 1pm and the lunch
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: period was just ending. That meant Kevin realized that he
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: had spent at least 45 minutes aboard the craft. He
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: decided to find Brooks, the ship's cook who had been
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: on deck when the UFO appeared, and see if he
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: could get some answers from him, and he walked up
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: to Brooks and said, Hey, Brooks, do you remember at
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: lunchtime when you were talking to Davis? Kevin told Brooks
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the gist of the conversation and then asked him, Do
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: you remember me trying to talk to you? Brooks' reaction
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: shocked Kevin. He became very angry and told Kevin that
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: it had been a private conversation that obviously Davis had
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: told him about the conversation. And he said, you weren't there, Kevin. No,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you weren't. You weren't shaking my arm or trying to
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: get my attention. Kevin then located Davis and confronted him
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: with the same story. Davis also reacted with anger and
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: said that he must have talked with Brooks. So following
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: this experience, the memory of this whole encounter, most of it,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: strangely left Kevin's mind. And as the days passed, he
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: recalled only bits and pieces. He knew that he had
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: been taken aboard the UFO and that it had been
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: a very scary encounter. But again, most of the details
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: somehow eluded him. All he knew was he didn't want
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: it to happen again. He stayed on the ship for
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: another two years and then left the military and he
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: never saw Jeff again. It was a few years later
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: in the late 1980s, he was watching television when there
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: was a close-up image of a praying mantis. And as
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: if on cue, the wall of amnesia disintegrated and the
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: memory of the experience swarmed back into his mind. It
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: took only a few minutes for most of the memories
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: to return. Kevin was stunned. Now he remembered. He had
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: been invited to see the ETs, and he had accepted
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: the invitation. He remembered it all. However, he now faced
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: another problem. He couldn't stop thinking about it, so he
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: decided that he had better reveal to his family what happened. Thankfully,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: his family was understanding and believed him, However, he did
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: receive quite a bit of ridicule from friends and acquaintances.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: The years passed. He never forgot about the encounter. The
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: memories remained vividly etched into his mind. It was 19
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: years later in 2003. Kevin purchased a Harley Davidson Sportster.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: He owned it exactly for 14 days. And on the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: 15th day, he was returning from his brother's home when
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: he was sideswiped by a car which pulled in an
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: illegal U-turn. Kevin was thrown from his bike and knocked unconscious.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: His left lower leg was shattered. Thankfully, he survived, but
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: he spent the next 22 months in the hospital undergoing
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: surgeries to save his leg. It was shortly after the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: accident that Kevin recalled that the ETs had warned him
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: that this would happen. He never had another experience with UFOs,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: nor does he want to. Over the years, storms like
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Hurricane Hugo and Hurricane Katrina occurred, and he wondered if
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: these might have been the ones he was shown. More recently,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: in 2005, there was a mining disaster and claimed the
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: lives of eight men. There was extensive media coverage on
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: this event, and as Kevin watched the breaking news, his
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: mind flashed again. to being on the ship and watching
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: various disasters, including the one that was now before him.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: And he turned to his wife and said, I've seen
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: this before. They showed me this on the UFO. His
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: wife by now was used to comments like this and
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: did her best to comfort him. But for Kevin, it
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: was yet another piece of information that proved his story
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: was real. Kevin became increasingly interested in UFOs and more
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: importantly in sharing his story. As he says, the people
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: have a right to know the truth. The only difference,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: he says, between he and other people is that he
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: knows UFOs are real. In fact, the top of his
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: left hand still carries a faint scar where he pinched
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: himself on board the UFO. He also found what he
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: believes are some strange scoop marks on his leg, and
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: he now wonders if perhaps there was more to the
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: encounter than he can remember consciously and that he might
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: have been implanted. But he does have some final words.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: As Kevin says, I do know this. Be careful what
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: you ask for, because you just might get it, right?
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: And I will say this. This has been a life-altering experience.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I feel that I am closer to God now because
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: of this. And I don't care what anybody says. And
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: you can call me crazy or whatever. Doesn't matter to me,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: one way or the other. I feel people have a
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: right to know the truth. I know that our government
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: is lying to them about the truth because ETs told
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: me that they interact with the government. So that is
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the story of Kevin Kamen's fully conscious onboard encounter with
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: praying mantis-type extraterrestrials. As far as he knows, that's the
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: only encounter he's had, though again his twin brother was
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: taken onboard by Greys. Following this encounter, it took him
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: a long time again to unpack it, to remember all
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: the details, but he was was very eager to get
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the word out about this encounter. He felt it was
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: quite important that people have the opportunity to know that
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: UFOs are real and that these types of ETs are
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: out there. I did include his story in my book,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Inside UFOs. So if you'd like to check that out,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: you could probably get some more details there. I was
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: able to get Kevin on a few radio shows here
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: and there. He also did a Japanese television program. He
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: also called in once to Coast to Coast. I have
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the transcript, which I will show to you. And I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: also did an interview with him in July of 2007.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to play that for you now. Before
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I do, I just want to let you know that sadly,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Kevin passed away on April 8, 2021. He was still
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: working hard to get his story out there. So now
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I'd like to play for you an interview about 40
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: minutes long or so in which I talked to Kevin
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: about his experiences on an old radio show that I did.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And I hope you find this face-to-face interview firsthand interesting
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: because it's always nice to hear from the witness himself.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: So thank you again, and I'll see you next time
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: for another episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Until then,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: keep asking those hard questions, keep searching for the truth,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: and most of all, keep having fun. And now stay
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: tuned for a first-hand interview with Navy medic Kevin Kamen,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: where he describes his encounter with praying mantis-type extraterrestrials.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: This is just an amazing encounter. Not the kind of
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: encounter you normally hear about. I've talked to a lot
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: of people who've had onboard UFO experiences with aliens, various
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: types of extraterrestrials, and I would say the most common
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: type that people tell me about is the short gray type,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: generally about three to five feet tall with large dark eyes, bald,
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: very familiar, I'm sure, to all of you listening out there.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: But that's not what we're going to talk about tonight.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Tonight we're going to talk about a different.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Type of ET, the praying mantis ET.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Now I've run across several cases of people who have
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: reported this type of ET. One gentleman told me that
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: he was on Catalina Island, actually, as a child. And
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: he experienced a missing time incident. And later, as an adult,
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: under hypnosis, he recalled being taken to what appeared to
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: be an underground or underwater-type base. And this was not
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: a UFO that he was taken to.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: There were rock walls.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: It was a large cavern-like area with primitive computer-like equipment.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: He described the computers as being very... primitive and just
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: almost looking fake like a movie set. And he also
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: said that the ETs he saw were not the gray types,
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: but were rather more insectoid looking, more like these praying mantis.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: He said they were very tall, like eight feet, with
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: the large, large eyes. And basically the description you hear
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of this type. And another case involves a
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: lady named Kim Carlsberg, who actually wrote a book about
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: her experiences, Beyond My Wildest Dreams, an excellent book. And
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: she also has had encounters with these praying mantis-type ETs,
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: which she did not like, actually. Her encounters were not
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: particularly benevolent. Another lady I spoke with, she's actually part
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: of a witness in one of my most recent books,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: The Coronado Island UFO Incident.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: And she has.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Described encounters as well with these very large, tall, grasshopper-like,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: praying mantis-like ETs. The descriptions vary a little bit, but
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: they appear to be the same species. The ones she
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: saw were about 8 to 9 feet tall, and she's
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: been encountering them her whole life. Another gentleman, Mike Evans,
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: he has had also encounters with these very large praying
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: mantis ETs. Now our guest tonight, Kevin Kamen, It also
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: has had an encounter with these types of ETs, or
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: actually a much larger type, as we'll find out. He
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: was a medic on the USS San Bernardino back in
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: the late 1970s and early 1980s, during which he saw
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: UFOs at least twice and was actually taken on board.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: And it's a very interesting story, and I just want
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: to let him tell us the story himself, because he's
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: our guest tonight. Kevin, thank you for coming on to
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: the show.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me, sir.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Your story is amazing. I know it well.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: I've studied it, and I'm just really excited to actually
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: hear it again, and I'm so excited that you've agreed
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: to share it with other people, because, I mean, this
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: is not your typical UFO story. I've talked to so
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: many people who've been taken on board, and they're examined, and,
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: you know, their clothes are removed.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: It's a very... familiar story that didn't vary a lot.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: But your story's a little bit different.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Tell us how this all began for you.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, as you mentioned, I was on board the
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: USS San Bernardino. I was a hospital corpsman in the Navy.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: And one of my friends, who was in my division
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: on my ship, he and I were having a conversation. Now,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I'd been on this ship from August of 1978 And
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: this happened right around, oh, I guess May or June
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: of 1982. Or it could have been a little bit
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: later than that. We were on a Westpac. We were
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: on the other side of the world. And we were
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: two or three days out from whatever port we'd been in.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: It was either Korea or the Philippines or whatever. But
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: we were two or three days out from any land
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: out at sea. And trouble is, you don't exactly know
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: where you're at because it all looks the same. You know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: when you look from horizon to horizon, all you see
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: is water. And I didn't really pay attention to where
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: we were at, but that's where we were when we
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: were two or three days out at sea. Anyway, one
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: evening he and I, like I said, we'd been friends
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: for about four years. He was one of my first
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: friends that I became friends with on the ship when
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I first got on board. And it was four years
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: before we even got into a conversation. And he happened
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: to come down to my space, which was the medical department,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: and we were sitting there and we were talking. And
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: somehow or another the subject of UFOs came up. And
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: he asked me if I believed in UFOs. And I
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: told him that I did a book report on them
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: in high school and that all the stories that I
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: had read and everything, there was a lot of similarities
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: between all the stories and stuff. And I told him
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: that I thought there had to be something to it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: It couldn't be just all a hoax. Not that there
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: had to be some credible thing to it, but little
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: did I know, it was more true than I thought.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: So anyway, he told me that he had been on
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: board UFOs quite a few times, and he had been
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: abducted since he was 10 years old on a regular basis.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: And.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm kind of a little skeptical, you know.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, right, sure. So, anyway, I told
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: him that I'd be interested. He told me that he
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: could arrange for me to meet E.T. And, you know,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, sure you can. Okay, sure. I want
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: to meet your little green friend. That's what I told him. So,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: he said, well, I'll talk to him and see what happens.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: So then, a couple days later, he came back down
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: to my space. And, um, He told me that he
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: had just got back from a little encounter with his friends. Now,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: we'd been out in the sea for five days now,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: about this time, four or five days. And we had
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: been nowhere near land or anything. And he told me
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: he had just got back from a little encounter with
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: his friends, and he'd gone for a little ride. And
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, right, sure. You know, there was no
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: reports of any flan saucers or anything coming around our
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: ship or anything like that. So, of course, it was like, yeah, right.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: And I didn't really want to believe him or that.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: But then I asked him where he went, and he
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: told me he came from my house. And I thought, okay,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: so then I said, well, what did you see? So
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: he started to describe things that he saw. One of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: the things he described was our 1966 Ford Galaxy 500
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: car that we had bought and gave quite a bit
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: of details about it that was more than just, what
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: the average person would know. The thing is, everything he
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: said was as accurate as it could be, and I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: knew for a fact that what he was telling me
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: was the truth. Except for one little problem. We had
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: sold the car in 1970, and it was a 66
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Ford Galaxy 500, and we traded it in in 1970
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: for a Plymouth 43, and then after the Plymouth 43,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: like in 1977, my dad got a different car, and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: so we're talking like three cars ago. We're talking ancient history.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: So he's going back to the past.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: So he was going back to the past. Wow. Right?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: But I was startled by what he said because he
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: had a lot of details. And I said, what else
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: did you see? So then he just started describing my house,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: the house that I had grown up in, which my
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: parents weren't living in at the time. They had moved
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: since then. But he was describing the house that I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: grew up in, right down to the detail of all
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: the furniture and the color of the carpet and the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: wallpaper and everything on the walls and in the kitchen
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: and everything else. And he started describing my bedroom and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: all the things that were up on the bedroom. Now,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: I grew up in the 60s, and my parents were
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: pretty liberal. They let us decorate our room, and we
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: had posters in there, and we had big little paints,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: and we wrote peace and love and wrote flowers and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: all kinds of things, you know, like the old hippies
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: did back then, you know, on the walls in the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: bedroom and stuff. And the trouble was, if he had
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: just come back from our house like he said he did,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: He wouldn't have known any of this because he couldn't
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: see the wood paneling. You know, unless he's got x-ray vision,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: he couldn't see underneath the wood paneling because he put
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: that up in like 1974. So I was really kind
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: of disturbed about everything. He said it was like I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: felt that I had been violated. I felt like he
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: was a CIA spy because he had so much accurate detail,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: but nothing he had was current as of the day before.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: If he had just got back from my house, he
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have seen any of that. Well, that just gives
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: you an idea of the kind of power that E.T. has.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: They transported him back into the past. But he had
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: so much detail that I was really shook up about it.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: And then I became very adamant about meeting his little
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: green friend. He said, well, I'll talk to him and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: see what they say. Oh, the next day he comes
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: up to me and he goes, today.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: He goes, they'll be here to get you right after lunch. Well,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: our ship knocked off for lunch.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: At 11.30 and.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: In the morning, and we went back to work at 1.15
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: in the afternoon. And about 11.45, around noon, close to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: that time, he came up to me and said, they're here.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: And I said, where are they? He said, well, you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: go up on the main deck, you'll see them. All right,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: so I walked up on the aft deck there, and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: sure enough, there was this object. God. half a mile,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: three-quarters of a mile in diameter. It was the biggest
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: thing I ever seen in my life. It was beautiful,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: absolutely beautiful. It was like you had a giant diamond
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: that was the size of, you know, three-quarters of a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: mile or half a mile in diameter. and you shined
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: a pure white light through it, and you spun it
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: around on its axis, and you were trying to describe
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: all the colors that you'd seen, because there was every
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: color of the rainbow, and there were flashes of bright,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: intense light. It was gorgeous. It was kind of like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: if you drop a drop of oil in the water,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: and you see it swirl around a little bit, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: you see the rainbow effect. You see all the different colors,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: but you really can't describe which color is where when,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: because it's all swirling around and stuff. Only this thing
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: was swirling at a little magnificent rate And I was
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: just awestruck by it, and it was just absolutely gorgeous.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: And there was two people on my ship that were
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: having a conversation over by the rail there. And they
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: were out looking over the water. And out to sea, though,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: there was not really anything to look at except the sun,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: the sky, the water. You know, every now and then
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: you'll see an airplane and maybe another ship. But other
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: than that, it's probably pretty much the same thing every day. Horizons.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: and where the water line meets the sky, and they
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: were having this conversation, and I was trying to get
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: one of their guys' attention, and I grabbed him by
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: the shoulder, and I was shaking it as hard as
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: I could, pointing at this object, excitedly yelling, look up,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: look up, Brooks, look up, look up. He never did
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: look up, and he acted like I wasn't even there, blank,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: because just that fast, all of a sudden, I'm looking down,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I see myself on the ship, shaking this guy's arm,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: pointing towards where I'm looking at from. And I see
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: my ship pulling away in the water. And I can
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: tell that I'm on this other ship and not the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: ship that's in the water. And I can see that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I'm still on the ship in the water. Here's what
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I had to deal with in about three seconds time.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Here's the comprehension that I came up with. My first
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: thought was, my God, I'm AWOL. And as soon as
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: I thought that, a voice came in my head and said, no.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: They don't even know you're gone. And then my second
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: thought was, my God, this isn't happening. And then another voice,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: not the same as the first, but a different one,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: came in my head and said, yes, it is. It's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: what you wanted. And my third thought was, I'm in
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: two places at once. Now, I can't explain it. I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: don't know how it was done. But that just gives
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: you an idea of the technology that we're dealing with.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: It was in the blink of an eye. And that's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: when I realized that I was going to be in
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: for an adventure. I remember I was standing on a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: metal grate. The object appeared a lot smaller on the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: inside than it looked to be from the outside. When
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: I was inside it, it looked like I was in
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: an object that was circular in shape. And it was
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: maybe 30 to 60 feet in diameter. not much bigger
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: than that. But when I saw it from my ship
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: out there, it looked humongous. Now, my ship was 528
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: feet long, which is exactly one-tenth of a mile. And
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: I know this object that I was looking at was two, three,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: four times as big as my ship. And it was round.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: And like I said, it was somewhere between a half
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: a mile and three-quarters of a mile in diameter. It
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: was humongous. I had to pinch my arm. I pinched
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: my arm to make sure that I wasn't dreaming. And
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: I remember making it bleed so I could look at
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: it later and tell myself that it wasn't all a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: nightmare or a dream.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Blink.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Just like that. We went from being on that side
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: of the world, like I said, we were two or
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: three days, four days out of Korea or Japan or
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: whatever on that side of the world. We're hovering right
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: down on Court Street and Skylar Avenue, which is the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: intersection of of the main intersection in the town where
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: I'm from. I'm from originally a place called Kansas Key, Illinois.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: We're right outside of City National Bank, which is a
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: building that's about six feet tall on the corner. And
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: we're about the level of the fifth floor. And we're
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: right in the middle of the intersection. And I'm looking
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: right through the walls of the spaceship, right through the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: wall of the City National Bank building. I can see
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: the steel eye beams. I can feel the copper lines
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: and the water lines and the electrical conduits and all
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: of this. And I can see through the walls, through
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: five or six rooms deep. And I can see everything
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: that was in between the walls, the studs, everything. And
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: I can see my father sitting at his desk. Somebody
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: came in, and then my father got up, shook hands
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: with him, The man sat down. My father sat back down. Blank.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Now we're over at Grace Baptist Academy. Now this is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: where my mother taught. She taught at a Christian school.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: She was teaching for grade. I'm looking right through the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: roof of the school. I can see the support structure
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: that holds up the roof, the ease or whatever you
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: want to call that, those things that, you know, that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: are up in the attic, you know, that holds up. Okay,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: only they were steel, all right? I could see wiring
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: going through there. I could see right through the roof
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: of that. I could see underneath that. I could see
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: right through the other roof down into my mother's room.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: And I could see my mother writing a sentence up
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: on the blackboard and all of her students sitting on
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: their desks with their hands folded just paying attention and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: watching her writing that sentence. The only thing I remember
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: is part of it was, his consonants was white as snow.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: I remember reading that, all right? But you got to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: realize that all of this that I was trying to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: take in, and I was only seeing glimpses that were
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: maybe five, ten seconds long, because all of this that
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I'm describing took place in the first minute. No, I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: hadn't seen them. No, they weren't discussing anything with me
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: at the time. They were just more like, you know,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: they were revealing things to me that they wanted me
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: to see. And I was still kind of like in
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: shock trying to deal with what I was trying to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: deal with. You know, you've got to realize this is overwhelming. Yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, number one, you know, how do they know
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: who my parents were? Number two, how do they even
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: know where they worked? How do they know so much
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: about me and my life and my family? You know,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: that's one thing that I was trying to deal with
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: at this moment. Okay. And then right after that, like
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: I said, And now we're going all along, and I'm
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: looking down, and I'm looking right through the floor now,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: and I can see right through it. Now, it's like
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: I had tunnel vision. I can see the outside edges,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: all right? It's kind of like a big oval, and I'm, like,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: looking through, okay? And I can see through my peripheral
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: vision that it's solid on either side of me. But
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: if I turn my head, no matter which way I
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: turn my head, I can still see right through everything,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: and then it was solid where I was looking at
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: before if I made that my peripheral vision. Now, I
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: don't know how they could do that, but obviously it
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: was something they were able to wire into my brain
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: so that I could see all of this.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: They're pretty advanced.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: And then I'm looking through the floor, and it looks like,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: to me it looked like an island that was all sand.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: And it looked like it had been bombed, bomb craters everywhere.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: You know, it looked like a bombing run in Vietnam
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: after they got done doing a B-52 run over and
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: then flying over and taking pictures of it because it
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: looked like a whole bunch of bomb craters. And I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: remember thinking to myself, man, this looks like the surface
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: of the moon. And about that time, we came up
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: over a ridge and I saw planet Earth laid out
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: in front of me and I saw the north and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: south continent and I seen it spinning on its axis
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: and I realized that It was the moon. And we'd
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: just come up on the dark side of it. And
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: all of this was blank, blank, blank. You know, and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: it was, like I said, in less than a minute. Now,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: it took our astronauts three and a half, four days
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: to get there, three and a half, four days to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: get back. I sure as heck didn't know I was
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: going to make a trip to the moon and back
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: in less than a minute. Never in my wildest dreams.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: And it was at this time is when I clenched
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: my butt cheeks together and told myself not to crap
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: my pants. I told myself, don't. And then I started
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: thinking all kinds of questions. And then as soon as
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: I started thinking them, they started answering them. And the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: first thing I said, where are you from? And instantly...
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: It was like I was standing in the middle of
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: a 3D-like star chart. It was all these little lights
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: all around me, and it was just like I was
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: standing in the middle of the universe. And I noticed
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: our solar system, and it was just like a 3D
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: model of the solar system, and it was hanging right
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: off to my side, off to the right a little bit.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: But I recognized our planets and the moon going around
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: the Earth, and I could see all our planets and everything.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: And I knew it was our solar system. And I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: was saying the space that I was looking at it,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: you know, our solar system might have taken up about
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: five feet of space, six feet of space. And I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: was looking at this whole thing was from one side
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: of the ship to the other. So, you know, and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: I could tell that our little solar system was insignificant, really,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: compared to the size of the 3D chart that I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: was looking at. And they asked me if I saw
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: the red flashing light at the end, at the other
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: far end. I said, yes, I did. And they told
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: me that that's where they were from. They pronounced the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: name of their planet, but I couldn't even begin to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: pronounce it because, well, the language that they speak isn't
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: quite the same as ours, and I didn't even understand
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: what they said. To me, it sounded like a bunch
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: of gibberish. Anything that they told me in their native
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: tongue sounded like gibberish to me. And what I mean
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: by that would be like... or something like that and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: that's not exactly and I'm not doing it exactly right
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: but I'm just saying it's like you know it didn't
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: make no sense whatsoever but they told me that they
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: were here and they had been observing us for years
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: and years and years they told me they were not
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: to interfere you're only here to observe they're not to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: interfere with our religious beliefs they're not to interfere with
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: our political beliefs They're not here to do anything except observe.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: That's what this group that I was with told me. Now,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: I can't say the same about all the other ones.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Now, is this just one voice talking?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: Well, the one voice was the main voice. Well, it
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: kept talking to me. But every now and then, the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: other ones would answer, too. And I gathered from the
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: answers that were coming to my head, there were three
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: of them. Now, you've got to realize, I had never
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: turned around to look at him yet. I was kind
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: of like quivering in my boots. They sounded like you
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: and me talking. They sounded like normal English when they
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: were talking to me. Like I said, I had all
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: kinds of questions for them. I asked them where they
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: were from. They showed me on the 3D chart. One
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: of the first questions I remember asking them was, is
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: there a God? Because I was brought up religiously, and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: I wanted to know. And I sensed fear from them
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: when I asked that question. That was the only time
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: I sensed fear from them. And they told me that
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: they were not allowed to answer that question, that they
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: had a higher authority to answer to. Now you've got
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: to realize, I'm thinking to myself by now, that if
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: these beings had made themselves known on this planet Earth,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: they would have been worse to have been treated as gods.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: because I could tell their technology was so far above ours.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Number one, I can't read anybody's mind, but they were
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: reading every thought of mine, and they could communicate. And
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: I asked them, I asked them how they knew English.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: They told me that they knew every single language and
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: every dialect on our planet. I have no idea how
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: many languages there are on our planet, and I can't
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: speak English very well. You know, I mean, I have
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: a pretty good command of the English language, don't get
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: me wrong, but I couldn't speak French, I couldn't speak Spanish.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know any languages other than English. They told
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: me that they know every single one, which means to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: me that they can go to Russia and talk to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: a Russian and then leave there and go to China
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: and talk to a Chinese person and then go to Africa.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: And how many countries are in Africa? you know, on
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: that continent, and how many different languages there are and stuff.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: It boggles my mind to think that, how many languages
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: there are. I have no idea how many languages there are.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: But they told me they speak every one of them fluently.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: They also told me they interact with our government. I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: asked them that. I said, do you work with our government?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: They said, yes, we do. We do work with your government.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: They also told me... I asked them how many other
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: ones that were around besides them. They told me they
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: knew of four other species that are interacting with our government.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: And not only our government, but the major governments of
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: the world. They interact with all of them. And they're
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: in collaboration or whatever with them. And that's all they said.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: They wouldn't elaborate any further. I asked them. I said,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: I asked them. They told me they were... that they
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: just told me that they are working with our government.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: At this point, I'm seeing all kinds of things being
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: flashed in front of me, like the screen. It's like
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: I'm watching a movie, and I'm seeing earthquakes, and I'm
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: seeing volcanoes erupting, and I'm seeing wars and wars and wars,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: and I'm seeing all kinds of, like, hurricanes and tornadoes
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: and basically a lot of destruction going on. forest fires,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: things like this, right? And I don't understand why they
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: show me all of this. I didn't really ask them.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: I did see they took me over to my old
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: house where I grew up at, which I said my
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: family wasn't living at anymore. I saw myself coming out
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: of the front door and walking across the street to
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: my grandmother's house, who lived across the street from us
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: at the time, talking to her. I looked like I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: was about 10, maybe 11 years old. I could have
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: been 12. But I knew I was a yacht younger than.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: And I walked down the street, walked down the corner,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: and I turned the corner, and I went into a
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: little grocery store that was over in the corner there.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: And then right from that, it was back to being...
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: You know, watching the things that they were showing me,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: all these different things. It probably took me about half
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: an hour to 45 minutes to finally get the courage
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: to turn around and look at them. I asked them
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: if they were going to eat me. Because I didn't know.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: After they took me to the other side of the moon,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: I just figured they wanted to take me anywhere. They
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: were going to do it. And I was powerless to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: do anything about it. And I kind of felt like
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: a rat trapped in a maze. You know, because I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: felt like I had nowhere to run, nowhere to escape to.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: And even if I wanted to escape, they would know
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: what my plans were because they were reading my mind.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: They told me that when we first, when we tested
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: the atomic bomb in 1945, that it started a clock running.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of clock. I don't know
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: if it's a doomsday clock. I don't know if it's
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: supposed to be the signal towards the end, towards where
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: Armageddon is going to be or what it was. They
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: wouldn't elaborate, but they told me that basically it was
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: like a signal to them. And that's when they started
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: observing us and things like that. You know? And, you know,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: UFOs have been around for years and centuries and all
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: of that. They really hadn't been all that prominent up until, like, 1947.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: You know, when the Roswell incident supposedly happened and all
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: of that. And that's when they really took on a
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: big boom. So... I don't know what the significance of
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: that was. Personally, I feel that they might be evil.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: They did not tell me that God existed. They did
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: not deny his existence. They told me they could not
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: answer it. They told me they had a higher authority
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: they had to answer to. And like I said, I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: thought they were highly intelligent themselves. I don't know if
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: they're good, they're bad, or what. They said something about...
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: My parents were good people or a good set of
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: parents or respectable people or something like that. I can't
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: remember what exactly they said for sure, you know, but
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: it was like my father was an honorable man. I
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: remember him saying something like that. My father was an
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: honorable man. I heard or read somewhere a long time
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: ago that supposedly when you die and you get to
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: heaven and you stand in front of God on Judgment Day,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: he's going to be showing you a movie of your life.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: And I felt like I was watching part of a
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: movie of my life at the time this was going on.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: So I don't know whether they are from God or
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: if they're from the devil or what. I don't know
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: where they're from. They told me the name of their planet.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: And they told me the name of the galaxy they're from.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: They're not even from our wall. They told me the
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: name of the solar system they live in. Like I said,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: I couldn't begin to pronounce it. And I do believe
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: it's in our own galaxy, but it's further away. But
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: as huge as our galaxy is, It wouldn't matter. I
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: know this. There's nobody going to be going out there
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: real soon, you know, going on a spaceship and going
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: anywhere near where they live. Look what we've come from
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: in the 60s to where we are today. We've got
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: a space station that circles the Earth, what, 23,000 miles up?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: The furthest out in space we've been to is the moon,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: which is like basically jumping off the back porch and
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: walking down the sidewalk for the first time You know,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: compared to the fathomless of space. Right. We haven't gone anywhere, really.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: You know, as far as I'm concerned, the moon's in
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: our own backyard. Like I said, they told me there
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: was four other species they were aware of besides themselves.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: And they told me they all interact with the government.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: I think they said there was one that was orange.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: And then they did say the grays, the typical grays
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: that most people see. You know, the ones that are
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: between four and five feet tall with the arms. almond-shaped eyes. Right, right. Now,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: when I did finally get the nerve up to turn
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: around and see them, I was downright shocked. Oh, I
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: asked them. I remember asking them in my mind, what
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: do you look like? And the first thing they said was,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: we're not little, we're not green, which went back to
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: when I told my friend I wanted to meet my
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: little green friends.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: Well, they did tell me that. So, obviously, they were
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: looking at that conversation at the time. Oh, and I
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: remember when I asked them if they were going to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: eat me, they told me, I watch too many horror movies. Well, actually,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that many horror movies in my life.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: You have a sense of humor.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, it seemed to me they did have a sense
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: of humor to a point. No, they said they weren't
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: going to eat me. They said they eat, but the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: food that they eat is nothing like the food that
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: we eat. I don't know if they eat vegetables or
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: if they eat, like, seaweed. I don't know. I mean,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: I really don't know. You know, they didn't offer me
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: any snacks, and I didn't ask for any. When I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: finally got the nerve up to turn around and look
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: at them, which I said was about 30, 45 minutes later,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: I think I realized all this time I'm seeing all
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: this stuff they're showing me, all these different things. And
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: there's things in my own life and my parents and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: my grandparents and things like that with me and my kids,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: my brothers and sisters and stuff. I mean, it was
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: like little family things that we were doing, just little
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: snapshots of us. It was like I was sitting there
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: watching a slideshow on Fast Forward. But then I do
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: remember they showed me. I remember one thing that I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: saw was, and I remember, I believe it was the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: last thing that I saw was, I was on a motorcycle,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: and I got hit broadside, and I was laying on
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: the ground, and I thought I was dead. I wasn't moving.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: I looked like I was unconscious or dead. And I
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: thought to myself that they had done a cool trick,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: played a cool trick on me and showed me how
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: I had died. And that's what I really seriously thought.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: And I thought that up until 2003 when I had
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: my 100th anniversary Harley Davidson's Porsche turn and had it
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: two weeks and got run over or got smacked by
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: a guy who made a U-turn and knocked me over.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: And it knocked me out. And I realized that's what
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: I'd seen. But when I came to, my left lower
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: leg was shattered. I had to have surgery the next day.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: I had a metal plate and 11 screws in my leg.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: And it took me 22 months for my bones to heal.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: And I was on crutches for another year. And I've
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: been on crutches for a year right around Memorial Day,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: which is just like a year and a month now,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: two months. And I'm doing okay. They just showed me.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: That was the last thing I remember them showing me.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: And I always thought in the back of my mind
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: from that day forward, yeah, I realize this is from
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: 1982 up until the time this happened. And when I
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: got a chance to get that bike, I didn't run
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: out and buy it right away because I kind of
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: had this feeling that I was going to get in
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: a serious accident with it. But God works in strange ways.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: My sister-in-law offered to buy it for me, and give
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: me a payment plan that was too good a deal
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: to pass up. And I had always wanted a 100th
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: anniversary Harley, and I wanted to wait until the 100th
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: anniversary to get one. And so the moment I walked
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: into the showroom and I saw that bike, I knew
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: then and there I was destined to have some kind
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: of a fateful encounter with it. Little did I know
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: it was going to be two weeks after I got it.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: That's the case. And the bike is sitting in the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: garage in Illinois, and I'm going to go back home
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: and get it next year, and I'm going to drive
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: it back out here to California because I'm to the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: point where I can walk well enough that I can
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: ride the bike again. It hasn't put me off from riding.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: But we're not talking about that. We're talking about my
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: UFO experience. But that was the last thing that I
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: remember them showing me. Out of everything that I've seen.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: When I saw them, like I said, they were... When
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: I turned around, first of all, they were as white
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: as white can be. You can take the cleanest, cleanest
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: white sheep, and I don't even think we've been white enough.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: And they were between 12 and 15 feet tall. And
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: I'm a pretty good judge of height. The reason is
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: I know that I can reach my hand up over
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: my head, and I can jump up and touch the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: rim of a basketball. basketball backboard, the rim, and that's
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: right around 10 feet, right above the ground. And these
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: guys that have been standing got two and a half,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: three feet, four feet over the top of it, looking
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: down on it. You know, they could be center on
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: any basketball team. You pass them the ball, they get
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: the ball, and they could just drop it over your head.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: And as high as you could jump, you wouldn't have
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: been able to get the ball. I was going to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: put my hands above their head with it. They were huge.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: And they had big praying mantis type faces great big
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: black triangular eyes and they had what looked like a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: proboscis protruding from where the mouth area was and I
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: just remember seeing like two little holes for the nostrils
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing any shape of a nose and
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: I know they weren't wearing uniforms or anything because their
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: skin was skin tight and I'm pretty sure that they
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: were naked and I don't remember seeing any sexual organs
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: they had long skinny arms and I remember their hands
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: I moved along a little bit by now like I
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: said when I first got out I was on a
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: I felt like I was in a corner of a
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: ship down there and I remember a metal grate I
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: remember seeing that and it looked like there was steam
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: or something coming up from the bottom of it. And
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: then I kind of backed up a little bit from
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: them because it was like I was taken aback, you know,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: because it was like I expected to see the grave.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: I expected to see something more familiar to what I
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: expected an ET to look like. I didn't expect to
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: see a praying mantis standing over me, reading my mind,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: you know. I don't know if I was still asking
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: them questions or not. I mean, I might have been
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: in shock at the time there and not remember. I
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: don't really remember that. But I do remember one of
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: them came down, and I backed up against a console.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: And I remember the console, and I heard you say
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: it earlier about how these primitive computers and stuff look.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: The console that I was up against looked like something
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: out of a 1950s science fiction movie. It had, like,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: what appeared to be three or four old-fashioned cathode ray tubes, screens,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: and maybe about four or five rows of dials and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: four or five rows of lights and, like, four or
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: five rows of toggle switches. And that was basically it.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: It looked like something out of a 1950s science fiction set.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: I remember that the dials on there looked like oven dials,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: you know, like you use to turn the oven on
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: and off on your stoves. All right? They were... like
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: that with a knob that has a little protrusion in
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: the middle that stick up. Right. Okay. And I remember
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: one of them came down and he put his hand
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: on one of the dials and I noticed his fingers,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: if you want to call them fingers, they had three
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: of them. And it would be like if you take
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: your index finger and your thumb and you spread it
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: as far apart as you can and then you would
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: fill all of that in nice and solid. between the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: two and then you do the same thing between your
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: ring finger and your little finger spread it apart as
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  Speaker 3: you could and fill all that in and just make
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  Speaker 3: it one solid like join them two fingers together and
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  Speaker 3: join your thumb and first finger together and just make
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: them like one finger or thumb or whatever you want
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: to call it the same thing with the other side
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  Speaker 3: and it was about that size because it was like
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: the one side was really big as far as And
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  Speaker 3: I remember when he put his hand together, it made
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: a perfect half circle. And plus the one finger in
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: the middle. But when he put his hand together, it
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  Speaker 3: reminded me of a horse's hoof. You know, because it
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: was rounded around the front. And when he put his
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: fingers together, it made a perfect half circle. I don't
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  Speaker 3: remember seeing any fingernails. I don't remember seeing anything that
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: looked like fingernails. It was all solid. And it was
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: maybe an inch and a half thick. It was thick.
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  Speaker 3: comparably speaking alright you gotta realize these things are bigger
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  Speaker 3: than us so their hands are a little bit bigger
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  Speaker 3: than ours you know I don't remember seeing any feet
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  Speaker 3: I didn't look at their feet I couldn't tell you
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  Speaker 3: what their feet looked like I didn't look down that
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  Speaker 3: far I was just kind of like I was just
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  Speaker 3: awestruck by looking at them and I was kind of
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  Speaker 3: like scared I was kind of backing away from them
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  Speaker 3: and I remember one of them coming over and he
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  Speaker 3: put his hand on my shoulder and I turned to
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  Speaker 3: run and next thing I know I'm fighting. I'm in
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: the bed on my ship. I don't remember going back
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  Speaker 3: down to my bed. And I thought to myself, oh,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: my God, it's been one long nightmare. And I started
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: to get up out of my bed. And my skin,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: my teeth, my shirt, and my pants were soaked with sweat.
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  Speaker 3: I had been. And I was hyperventilating. I don't know
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: if I was trying to fight them off or what.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm pretty sure I was because I really
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: thought they were going to do something to me. All right,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: but then I was in the back, and I started
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: to get up. Then I got out of my rack,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: and there was that guy. He's standing there grinning from
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: ear to ear, the same guy who sent me up
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  Speaker 3: for it. The first thing he said to me was, so,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: tell me about your trip. And I tell you what
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: I did. I walked right past him. I said, I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: don't want nothing to do with you no more. I
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  Speaker 3: never talked to him. Whenever I saw him after that,
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  Speaker 3: I would go out of my way to walk away
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  Speaker 3: from him. Now I regret the fact that I never
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: talked to him later on. But at the time, I
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: didn't want nothing to do with him. I thought myself,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: I really did, because I'd known this guy for about
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: four and a half, five years, or close to four
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: years anyway. And we had gone out on a liberty
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  Speaker 3: a lot. We had done a lot of things together
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: and stuff. And for him to do this to me...
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want nothing to do with him. I thought
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: he was one of them in disguise. I really seriously did.
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  Speaker 3: And to this day, I still wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: he was. Because he tells me he goes with them
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: all the time. Or he did tell me that at
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: the time. And you know what? I believe him. I
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: seriously do. Yes, he said that he'd been on several
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: different planets. And that he'd seen a lot of interesting things.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: But you know, this was before my experience. And of course,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: I'm taking it all with a grain of salt. Because
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: it's like... You know, when was the last time anybody
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: came up and offered you a ride on a flying flight?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not an everyday occurrence. You know, I
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: do know this. Be careful what you ask for because
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: you just might get it. And I will say this.
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  Speaker 3: This has been a life-altering experience. I feel that I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: am closer to God now because of this. Because a
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: lot of people say that God isn't real and doesn't exist. Well,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: they say the same thing about E.T., And I know
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: different than that. And I don't care what anybody says.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: And you can call me crazy or whatever. It don't
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: matter to me one way or the other. I feel
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: people have a right to know the truth. I know
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: that our government is lying to them about the truth
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: because ET told me they interact with the government. So
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: I know that they're not telling it. And there's more
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: to what's going on than what the government will say. Now,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the government's got going on with
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: them or not. I'm sure they're getting technology from them.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they are. And I really think it's interesting
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: that we've had all these wonderful things happen, and all
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: this has basically come about since the 1950s. And I'm
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: talking about lasers, fiber optics, satellite communications, and all of that.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure a lot of that, the microchip, you know,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: the microwave ovens and all that, I'm sure a lot
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: of that technology came down from them. It could have
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: been recovered from the crash from Roswell, for all I know.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: Of course. I'm not on the inside to know the
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: real facts, but I can only speculate. But, you know,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty interesting that it took man, what, 5,000
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: years to be able to fly, to get off the ground,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: and it only took him 70 years to go from
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: being able to fly to walking on the moon. So,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: you know, in the history of life on this planet,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: you know, our world as far as Flying and stuff
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: goes is still relatively young. We're still in the infant
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: stages of it. And these people, if you want to
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: call them people, are far more advanced than we are,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: that's for sure. And whatever they can do with their ships. Now,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: I don't remember feeling any motion like we were moving.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: But yet, I know for a fact that we were moving.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: Or it sure seemed to me that we were doing
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of moving. You know, but I don't, you know,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: it's like when you're in an airplane and you're flying
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: along and you get up and you walk down the aisle,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: you can kind of feel that you're still flying. Right.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: You know, you can feel the, I don't want to
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: say gravitational pull. It's just the pressure and all of that.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel that way in this spaceship. I felt
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: the same way as if I was on land, walking
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: around on land. And I didn't have the sensation that
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: we were moving. And I'm sure that we were moving
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: quite fast whenever we were moving. I don't think we
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: were staying over my ship, hovering over the top of
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: my ship. They also told me that they have cloaking ability.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: They can cloak themselves so that nobody can see them.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: They can also, if there's a group of people, they
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: can also reveal themselves to certain people in the group.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: If there's a group of ten people and they don't
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: want five people to see them, there's only going to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: be five people that see them. And the other five
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: people are not going to see what they're looking at.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: Even while there were two guys that I was aware
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: of that were standing right there. And like I said,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: they didn't even respond to me shaking the wand, you know.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: But they did tell me they had the cloaking ability
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: and that they can be selective about who they have
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: see them. And they say this is... This was part
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: of their plan because it adds to the confusion of
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: what's going on because there have been several times when
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: a group of people have been there and certain members
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: of people, certain number of people in the group have
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: seen them and the other people don't. They tell me
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: they have that ability to do that. So I don't
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: know if they tune into a certain wavelength on the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: metal receptors or what.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Would you want to have another encounter with these guys?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: No. Not particularly, My curiosity has been satisfied. You know,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: I've only wanted to meet them once. You know, would
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: I like to meet a different species? Well, I don't
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: know about that because I don't know what all the
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: other species are like and what kind of things they
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: do to people. And I hear about some of these
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: bizarre experiments they do and stuff. Now, I myself may
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: have had.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: Medical experiment done I mean I'm not even aware of
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: because it was like there's certain things about this trip
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: that I remember every detail down to the end you
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: know it's like I remember where I was when John
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Kennedy got assassinated you know and like I said this
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: thing has had a profound impact on my life because
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: I experienced it myself alright there's certain things about it
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: I remember like I would never forget and there's certain
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: things about this adventure I don't remember at all And
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why. As a matter of fact, after
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: my adventure, it was probably, it was pretty much put
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: out of my mind. And it wasn't until maybe about,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know, eight or nine years later, something happened.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: It just triggered it, and it just came all running
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: back to me. And I remembered a lot of it
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: back then. And you gotta realize this is 2007, this
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: happened in 82, so we're talking something that happened over
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: 25 years ago. Well, you know, President, I've read a
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: couple of your books. And there was one book that
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: you had where it was all these different encounters these
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: people had. Right. And it was all kinds of different,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of similarities between some of
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: them and there's a lot of dissimilarities between them. You know,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: and I noticed that out of some of the stories
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: that I was reading, it was like bits and pieces
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: of mine. You know, I mean, it was like, maybe,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: maybe there's like a dozen stories that I read in that,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: in that one book. Okay? And, maybe out of about
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: eight or nine of them, there were certain things that
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: certain people experienced with some of those that kind of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: are similar to what I experienced. But, not everything in
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: every one of them encounters is what I experienced. Okay? Like,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: for instance, um, on them, them reading my mind, you know.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of your stories where some of
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: the people had their mind being wrecked, but not everybody
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: had their mind being wrecked. Yes, and there was, like
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: I said, bits and pieces from a lot of your stories,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: you know, you can sew them together to be in mind,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: you know. But, you know, and I know that everybody's
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: encounter is unique, you know, and not everybody has, not
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: every two people is going to have the same type
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: of encounter. I really believe that. And I feel that
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: my encounter was tailor-made to me, because like I said,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: they were showing me things in my past. They were
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: showing me in my life and stuff. And I still
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: don't understand the significance of all of that. I really don't.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you very much for going public.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: No, I've got nothing to hide.