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Jack Hatcher | The Christian Reeve Podcast #228 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reed
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  Podcast. My good friend Mister Jack
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  Hatcher is back. Hello.
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  Well, yeah, welcome buddy. But then I've counted this
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  123456 This is your 7th appearance.
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  Seven KO Summer Woods 7 appearances.
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  I love it. So there's a couple of things.
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  OK, so this will be episode 228, I think.
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  Yeah, maybe. And you were on and I count
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  episode 4, Episode 18, Episode 19, Episode 74, Episode 123,
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  Episode 166. I like that there's an even
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  spread that something even more interesting.
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  I think you're my only guest that I've had on the show every
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  single year of the podcast. So I had you in 2020-2021, 2022
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  and now, of course 2023. I love that.
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  I was literally saying to my partner before we started
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  recording. Like something I love about my
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  appearances on this show is it's documented so much from like my
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  channel growing during the COVID times to starting my job at Sega
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  to like a year into that and launching Frontiers and stuff
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  like that. So it's captured some of the
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  finer points of my life really, which is a good friend of mine.
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  I've said this on the show before, shout out to childish
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  Jacko, he said. When I began this, that like,
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  it's a time capsule, you know? And I I never thought about that
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  because I like sometimes I'll obviously look back and look at
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  old episodes and to be honest, I just cringe at my old stuff.
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  I'm like, but, but it's cool. Like checking in with people and
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  seeing how people are progressing and stuff.
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  And obviously I keep tabs on you anyway, just like as friends.
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  And yeah, I mean, you've been doing a lot with with Sega, some
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  pretty big stuff. Yeah.
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  Walk walk us through some of the sort of biggest developments
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  since the last time we spoke. I mean, as with all of these
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  things, I am under fucking Ndas and I know about.
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  That when I'm acting as well, like I just signed a contract
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  for something the other day and I was looking at it and I was
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  like, wow, I just can't talk about this at all.
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  Great, Pretty much. So obviously I have to keep
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  specifics. Under wraps.
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  But we we launched Somic Frontiers last year and I played
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  a big part in taking back to game shows around the world.
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  So whether I was physically there or I was the person who
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  installed that code onto the drive, that was then taken
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  across oceans. You know, I I had involvement in
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  it and that was that was really cool and it was a long old
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  process and at the end of it. After all the work they've been
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  put in, for it to be the highest rated 3D Sonic game in the past
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  20 years? Wow.
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  Just phenomenal. And seeing the feedback, seeing
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  how much people are enjoying this game and the response to
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  the DLC that we've been putting out for it, the free DLC.
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  It's just the whole journey has been so rewarding, so
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  fulfilling. Absolutely loved every second of
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  it. And then, of course, we launched
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  Sonic Origins Plus on Sonic's birthday, July 23rd.
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  Sorry, June 23rd, I lose my Sonic card for that.
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  And that was awesome. Great to have Amy Rose playable
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  in the classic games. So that was a really nice
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  launch, had Sonic Prime come out, which is done ridiculously
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  well on Netflix. It's just had the second season
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  come out. It's getting very good reviews
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  on that. And you know, there's we've got
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  Sonic Superstars coming. This year I'm I'm not exactly
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  sure when that is, but that looks to be a really exciting
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  new adventure. So there there's so much in the
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  pipeline for Sonic at the moment and I actually don't really get
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  to know you as much of it as I would like at all because it's
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  all very secretive. But you know, I the the stuff I
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  get to be involved in is always makes me really happy, always
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  brings a tear to my eye in a joyful way.
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  So yeah, one one thing I'd like to really know is how you sort
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  of came into these opportunities.
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  Because obviously when you first started and you got this job,
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  they were obviously well aware that you're a big fan.
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  But you know, presumably most people working for Sega are to
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  some extent like fans of the product or whatever or have like
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  some sort of interest, right? But you're like a die hard Sonic
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  fan. Like, I can attest to this, you
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  know, you were like that at school.
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  You go on and on and on about fucking Shadow the Hedgehog.
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  So believe me guys, he's always been going on about this.
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  You can see behind me right here, right?
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  But no. But like, you know, all jokes
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  aside, you are the perfect sort of person to be working in a job
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  like this. But from a business standpoint,
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  I wonder, can you walk us through the journey of like how
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  you started getting these opportunities?
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  Like did you have to like for instance, throw yourself forward
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  or was it like, you know, they just sort of track your work and
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  occasionally they've sort of test you with something new like
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  put a bit more responsibility on your, on your on your plate.
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  So talk us through that and also like how your role has changed
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  since you began with the company.
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  So obviously again, I can't go into too many.
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  What can you tell me, Jack? But.
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  What I can tell you I I shall. So I I said this before, Sega
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  really don't make you stay in your lane.
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  If you express an interest in something or passion in
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  something, you can ask to to be involved in it in some way.
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  We have so many different groups and workshops and things like
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  that Sega, and you're really given opportunities.
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  Now with me working in IT, we support the game events, so
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  things like Twitchcon, Gamescom coming up, e.g.
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  X. Comic Con, if we have stuff
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  there. Paris Games Week.
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  We as the IT department will support that and we will have
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  someone go to these events with the you know to support the team
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  basically to to help them do what needs to be done at the
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  events and I was put on events where Sonic was being taken, I.
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  Loved every second of it. It will actually started me
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  going to Twitchcon Amsterdam last year in which we didn't
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  take any Sonic games but we were, you know, we took Total
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  War and the two point games and Endless Dungeon and things like
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  that. Really, really good event.
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  And from there the events later in the year came where Sonic was
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  being shown with Sonic Frontiers and I I just made it very well
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  known to the team that were dealing with Sonic Frontiers
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  like I I. I'm so dedicated to this.
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  I'm so passionate about this. You know I was so thankful to be
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  able to play my part in it. So I kind of I got that
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  involvement natively through my position.
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  But I made it very well known from that point like that
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  there's Sonic stuff to be done. I wanted from an IT perspective
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  I want to be doing it and I've been very fortunate that I have
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  been able to be involved with most of the showcasing of
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  Frontiers last year. So it really just.
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  Yeah, they don't make you stay in your lane.
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  It's a fantastic company to work for.
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  It really is they. They really do realize the
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  potential in people and let them explore that.
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  And I think that's something that's so important in an
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  employer these days and it's helping me live my dreams to a
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  large degree. So I really, I can't complain
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  there. I'm very happy for you man.
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  I, I was stoked when I found out that you were working for Sega
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  and then now to be working on Sonic, like programming games,
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  merchandise, you name it, like it's, it's called like.
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  So I'm in an interesting spot now where like I'm pursuing my
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  dreams, but like, you know, I'm not like at the, you know, level
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  I want to be, but there's been some significant strides.
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  So I'll hold my hands up and say I'm, I'm very grateful.
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  Not complaining by any means, but for a long, the longest time
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  I've obviously sort of been, you know, sitting in the arena
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  watching everyone else or make it and you know, went through a
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  range of emotions with that. And I've sort of settled on
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  like, you know, just keep doing your thing and congratulate
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  everybody else and you move on, right?
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  But that doesn't make any of this difficult anyway.
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  It's also the other side of that is it's a source of motivation
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  because I look at where you started and where you are now
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  and it's like it's just hard work and grafting and never
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  giving up. I mean, this kind of started
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  what we're talking about 2018-2019 around probably around
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  the time that the Sonic, the first Sonic movie came into.
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  Yeah, it was about a year before that that I was seriously making
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  Sonic content. Like, yeah, but it was like that
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  was like like a like a quite a monumental.
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  Yeah, that was the big moment, right.
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  So you track it back. That's what, like four or five
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  years of doing this. And like here we are now, you
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  know, And it's like, I think about this a lot, cuz I've just
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  reached about five years acting. Yeah.
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  And, you know, I think if nothing else, probably the
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  biggest lesson is like over time you get better.
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  Do you know what? I'm sure you, I'm sure you
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  noticed the same like with your content, with your work.
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  Like everything gets better over time because you get better.
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  You grow, you learn. So let's explore that for a
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  second. Like what's maybe the biggest
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  sort of lessons you've learned through your work so far and
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  your content creation and everything?
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  Okay Uncle Hatcher, coming out here.
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  So I think you really have to hone your craft.
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  You have to do the hard work and I don't want.
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  This to sound in a way like hard work and you can achieve
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  anything because you need a bit of luck in the world as well.
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  And I know that some a lot of people don't get that luck and
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  they struggle and they keep grafting and they just don't
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  seem to get anywhere. But the one thing I will say is
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  it's. It's extremely difficult, sorry.
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  It's extremely easy to get down on yourself to particularly when
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  you can see other people being successful, and to riding
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  yourself and just think you're not doing enough.
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  But honestly mate, like I I made a lot of mistakes to get here,
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  Okay and I did not have things figured out.
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  I only fell into IT at the age of 27.
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  I was 2728. I was just doing mundane office
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  jobs kind of not never, never the same role consistently, just
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  mundane. Fill in the the office worker
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  here. And it was only in the last time
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  that I did that I took an accounting role at a job at a
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  company called Escape Technology who a fantastic company.
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  And it got to the point where I was just like, this isn't me and
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  I was very interested. In being the computer engineer
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  because I was very friendly with the computer engineers there and
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  loved what they were doing and had a real interest in it.
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  And yeah, that was 2728 and that's when I started doing it.
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  And then about a year on from there, due to the company
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  relocating and I'm, you know, getting in touch with Sega, I
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  moved into an IT position Sega and then you know, I've just
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  turned 30. But this is.
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  As you said, this isn't the longest journey I've been on so
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  far that we're already talking probably about five years of
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  this real focus of knowing what I want to do and trying to make
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  something out of it it. You don't have to have it all
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  figured out. And I think particularly for
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  people our age, we think like by 30 you have to have it figured
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  out. And you know what?
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  It's not the case. It's really not like,
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  particularly if you look at things like.
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  How the economy is and things like that.
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  You know, buying, buying a house and things like we if you're
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  living with parents, if you're still just flowing through life
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  and you're trying to figure out what you want to do, it's okay.
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  It's really this perception that we put on ourselves, so we have
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  to have it all figured out is from the generation before us
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  who had it slightly easier than we did, and from ourselves.
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  And we just we just got to dispel it because it's OK to not
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  know everything you want to do in life.
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  There's time. There's still time I can Co with
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  this. I mean, everyone knows my story,
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  but I'll just kind of rehash it real quick.
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  Like, I think the point at which I knew what I wanted to do with
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  my life and this is actually shifted when I look back.
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  I actually started acting in in 2019 so it's like what I would
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  have been 20-6, maybe 27 ish and but it didn't like when I look
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  back like I fell in love with acting but I didn't know that
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  was what I was going to do because I was doing like loads
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  of things like YouTube streams, music, whatever like just kind
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  of getting back into creative stuff again after so many years
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  of being away from it. And and like yourself I had
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  loads of different jobs. So we did marketing for several
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  years. You know I did customer service
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  role as you name it and you know I'm still doing bits and pieces
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  jobs here and there just to kind of make ends meet now.
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  But things are much more clearer where the goals are concerned.
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  But now it's like acting. That's the goal, that's the aim
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  and everything else is second to it.
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  I still put the same level of effort into everything.
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  But like you know, I've I've said this to my audience as
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  well. Like if I get that opportunity,
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  if it comes best believe I'm going to have to make some
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  sacrifices and it's not going to be easy, but you know.
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  Isn't that the thing in the end like if you didn't give it your
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  all, if you even even if you don't succeed, if you didn't
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  give it your all, how you going to feel about yourself at the
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  end of end of things? You're looking back at your
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  life. That's the thing I'm terrified
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  about. Yeah, I'd rather, yeah.
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  I'd rather, you know, go through life, bust my ass and be a
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  complete failure. But no, I gave it my all and sit
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  there in years from now, having played the easy route and go,
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  oh, but what if, what if? Maybe I could have been
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  spectacular? Exactly.
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  I've said for the longest time, one day I will voice Sonic in
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  something. I think it's going to happen.
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  It's going to happen at some. Point may not.
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  It really may not. And if it doesn't, that's OK.
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  But I'm gonna give everything, every fiber of my being, to get
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  to that position. I bet you a tenor.
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  I've gone and it's gonna happen. I I hope so, man.
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  And when it and when it happens, hopefully by that point I'll
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  have a physical version of the show, right.
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  Yeah. And you'll come on and you'll
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  present me the 10 pound note like that that that's fine.
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  So there you go. Yeah, there's a wager.
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  I'll complete you down for that beautiful show.
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  I I can honestly see it like I and you know here's the thing as
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  well. I think it's important to reset
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  like realistic goals. That one thing I've I've seen a
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  lot that there's a guy called Chris Van Bleet who in in the
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  wrestling industry is like a an interview he's done like big
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  interviews for celebs around the world.
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  Anyway, one thing that he always says is vague goals get vague
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  results. Yeah.
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  And I used to kind of be like, well, I don't know about that.
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  And then I started sitting and thinking about it in the context
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  of what I'm doing and I was like, no, he's maybe he's on to
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  something here. So that my my main goal, and
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  I've said this before but I'll say it here, is to be a full
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  time actor. Yes, you know, like I want to be
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  in a position where I do acting full time as as a job or I have
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  like enough projects that I can live on it And then ideally I'd
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  be able to still keep doing the podcast, live streaming, all the
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  other things I love doing. But of course, it depends how it
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  works out. Because as I mentioned before,
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  with sacrifice, you know, there's always going to be
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  certain things, be it sacrificing time, sacrificing
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  money, sacrificing time away from like loved ones, whatever.
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  It takes A lot of you, like both of us right now, still actively
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  putting a lot of time and effort into things all the time.
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  The stuff that you don't see behind the scenes, you know,
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  creation of content takes a lot. You know, like when this podcast
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  is done though, I'll be sitting down and editing it and and
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  that's time and it's and I'm happy to do it, but it's like
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  it's always a sacrifice. Completely.
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  And I think this is something that, you know, if my
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  subscribers are watching this from, you know, paying the
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  Discord and that what's up Patching Empire I like I really
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  haven't been producing content recently and that's because I'm
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  so busy with work. Like people don't understand and
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  don't tell this is a thing of like, oh say you're overworking
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  because it's not the case at all.
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  Like, I love my work. I I I want to put the best I can
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  into it because everything I do I think in the back of my head.
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  In some way this impacts Sonic and it does in the weirdest way.
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  So say someone can't access a file because of something I
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  needed to fix. That file then could lead to a
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  delay in getting to someone else who needed some information from
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  that that then could go down there in some way.
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  It messes with the flow of the company and it can therefore
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  mess with the flow of my Blue Boy.
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  So I put so much into it and so much hard work and then I'm
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  trying to balance, you know, my relationship at the same time
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  and it's it's really difficult. It's really difficult to find
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  that time and I love what I'm doing with life right now and
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  oh, and obviously with my my DJ ING as well, right.
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  That's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
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  You do and and face down, you know.
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  Come see. Come see me play one time.
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  If you listen to this, you're in London.
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  You're like the pop punk. I'm still waiting to get you
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  down for one point. I'm definitely going to put you
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  on the list for it. I'd love to.
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  Yeah, I love to have you down for it, man.
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  Nothing like 2 old 30 year olds that you know.
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  You got the metal upstairs, Pop. Yeah, that was that was me last
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  night. I was in a heavy metal bar and I
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  realized this actually. Like, I met a bunch of people
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  and we're like singing like crazy and starting to pit and
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  everything. And I'm like, damn, man, I
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  haven't done this in so many years.
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  Like, there was so many years that I just wasn't being me.
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  I don't know. It's weird to say it's weird,
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  but like. I did it.
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  I took like three or four years out at one point.
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  Crazy. And I missed it so much.
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  I think we need that. It's humans and that human
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  interaction in a in a comfort zone like because music is just
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  so beautiful like that. It's such a blanket for people
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  to just. I'm in my happy place.
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  I've got my songs like nothing else matters and that human
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  interaction with it is so special.
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  You know what's interesting as well?
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  Like I hear these songs, like for example, I there was like a
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  request hour, right? So I was putting in all these
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  different requests and I requested kill switch, engage my
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  curse water. Tune, right.
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  And I was thinking like about because every time I hear that
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  song, I'm immediately, you know, 14 again and on the bus or
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  school, whatever. And I remember how I felt at the
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  time, how life was at the time. Like, I can picture it perfectly
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  in my mind and the feeling and and everything.
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  And now it's a very different feeling because you always have
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  that, but now you're, you know, out and about with other people
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  who grew up listening to that song.
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  Or maybe they're younger and like, they didn't.
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  So to them it's like, oh, this is an oldie and I'm like, what
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  the fuck? How is kill sit and oldie?
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  But that's the. That's a kind of.
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  Is now you think about it. That's the weird thing, yeah.
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  We're getting old, man. We are getting old I.
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  Can't think mid 2000s, those iconic Blink songs were coming
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  out. It just, it doesn't feel that
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  long ago. It really.
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  Doesn't, but it was. That's the scary thing.
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  Like if you think that how we were when we were like if you
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  think of those mid 2000s eras, right, think of what 80s music
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  was then. Yeah.
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  No, I think about the it's. The same difference away that's.
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  Difference you. You know, I mean, I'm not
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  formulating words very well right now, but you get my point.
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  Like, it's just, I totally get that.
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  It's like when our parents were going on about, like assuming
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  they were on the younger end, they would talk about the 80s
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  like, oh wow, and get all nostalgic.
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  And don't get me wrong, I love everything about the 80s.
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  And it's like one of those eternally cool errors.
• 21:50
  And now looking back, and it's interesting because I think
• 21:55
  there is a tendency to look things with roasting and glasses
• 21:59
  and nostalgia. But when I look back, like I
• 22:03
  genuinely think that the 2000s was like the last good era.
• 22:07
  Like culturally, I just feel like there was the right amount
• 22:11
  of technology. And after that, it kind of just
• 22:13
  went a little downhill and now it's fit.
• 22:16
  I only get what you mean. Like, I don't know.
• 22:19
  It's it's weird, like there's a lot that I'm thankful for now.
• 22:22
  But then there's other stuff that might like do all this AI
• 22:25
  shit for example, and how it's threatening so many different
• 22:28
  industries. Yeah, you know, it's it's a very
• 22:33
  crazy time right now. And I don't know.
• 22:36
  I know look at look at how we began the decade.
• 22:39
  You know, we were making jokes about 2020 Vision and all.
• 22:43
  It's gonna, you know, the roaring 20s again and all this
• 22:45
  And then fucking massive worldwide pandemic.
• 22:48
  Which okay, Fair enough, no one could have foreseen that.
• 22:50
  But it's And now we're in this space where I don't know, it's
• 22:58
  it's a weird it's a weird time. It's a weird time.
• 23:01
  I think we're in probably the most chaotic time we've been as
• 23:08
  a species. No okay.
• 23:11
  Before I start talking about this, let's just breakfast like
• 23:14
  I am not. Scientists really not I'm.
• 23:18
  I'm not no. I'm no Professor Hatcher, no.
• 23:21
  Professor Hatcher Okay. I have no X inside knowledge or
• 23:26
  anything, so you can tell me I'm an idiot.
• 23:28
  I'm not qualified, but I feel we're just kind of a breaking
• 23:33
  point with humanity. I think we're so focused on what
• 23:36
  separates us and not why we are the same.
• 23:40
  I think if you look at the look at look at the voting.
• 23:45
  For instance, right in the in this this country, for instance
• 23:48
  in the UK politics. Politics.
• 23:50
  But I'm I'm not trying to be political bad, but politics.
• 23:55
  It's pretty much a 5050 split. No, it's not.
• 23:59
  Look at the fly. What was the last result?
• 24:02
  Was it 53 percent? 47 Are you talking about the
• 24:05
  Brexit? I'm OK.
• 24:06
  Brexit was Brexit was very 5050. But then when you look at the
• 24:10
  general, like Labour versus Tory, each general election,
• 24:14
  there's not masses and masses. It depends.
• 24:18
  It depends on. It depends because there's been
• 24:21
  times when it shifted greatly. Like remember when we were
• 24:25
  growing up, obviously labor was in power and they'd gotten in in
• 24:30
  like 97 I think. And that had been after like and
• 24:35
  this is how weird and how cyclical things are.
• 24:38
  So it. Was a good Tory cycle, wasn't it
• 24:41
  before? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Tories.
• 24:42
  And this is what amazes me that people's memories people forget
• 24:45
  like so the Tories were in I think like beginning of the 80s
• 24:50
  right through until yeah like 90s and then Labor got in and
• 24:57
  you know people had had enough and now we're kind of we've had
• 25:01
  same again about 15 years give or take or 1314 years of Tories
• 25:07
  and now people set up again. Yeah.
• 25:09
  And probably this is what I mean, because it also kind of
• 25:12
  works into that cycles thing. It's like.
• 25:16
  This site that people have set up these I'm this side, You're
• 25:21
  that side. I hate all that.
• 25:23
  It doesn't work anymore because it's two.
• 25:27
  It's two very large groups of people, and if one is completely
• 25:30
  represented, the other isn't. And it's all about what
• 25:34
  separates us. There needs to be a bit more
• 25:37
  coming together, sitting around the table saying actually we
• 25:41
  have this in common. We have these interesting, I
• 25:44
  just feel like we're so divided as and this isn't I'm talking on
• 25:49
  general biggest type outside of the UK as as a species we're so
• 25:52
  divided and we just we've got to start coming together a bit more
• 25:58
  compromising. Not saying.
• 26:00
  I'm not saying compromising on atrocities and things that are
• 26:03
  wrong with things like that. That's an extreme.
• 26:05
  Just having a conversation, just trying not to be so against each
• 26:10
  other. Because everything's a breaking
• 26:13
  point, man. You can't go anywhere online
• 26:15
  without people arguing about something.
• 26:19
  It's like that anime that was trending a while back, you know,
• 26:22
  the one where it's like I have no enemies and people doing all
• 26:25
  these different videos about it and it's like as much as it was
• 26:28
  a fun trend at the same time, this is an element of truth in
• 26:32
  that I think there are many people out there that, you know,
• 26:34
  like I've always been there. I hate fighting.
• 26:37
  I hate confrontation. Say, you know, absolutely.
• 26:39
  Same like, I don't. I don't mind when people dislike
• 26:43
  me or hate me because I understand that they're hating
• 26:49
  themselves by doing so. They're they're in pain.
• 26:52
  Like, you know what I'm saying? Like.
• 26:53
  Holding on to negative feelings. Yeah.
• 26:57
  And like, I I want us all to be OK.
• 26:59
  Even the people that maybe I don't like.
• 27:01
  I still want them to be OK Yeah. Because I look at the the fact
• 27:04
  that, like, being a human is difficult.
• 27:07
  It's lonely. It's hard.
• 27:09
  It's unrelenting when you don't have someone by your side is
• 27:12
  it's very, it's very tough. You know, like I've I've been
• 27:16
  single now for quite a few years and I don't have to talk about
• 27:18
  this much. But I will say when I've
• 27:22
  discussed themes and loneliness and stuff like that, I do notice
• 27:27
  how tricky it gets when you don't have someone by your side
• 27:30
  and you're left to kind of deal with stuff and that spiral that
• 27:34
  you can sometimes go down. Now I found a way to kind of
• 27:37
  deal with that, but at the same time that doesn't make it any
• 27:40
  any easier. Yeah, of course.
• 27:41
  You. I know to like avoid certain
• 27:44
  things, you know, obviously, like, don't go drinking when you
• 27:46
  feel that way, for example, stuff like that.
• 27:49
  But like, at the same time, that feeling's still there.
• 27:53
  Yeah. And it's, Do you know what I
• 27:54
  mean? Like, we need that togetherness,
• 27:57
  we need the company of others for so many reasons.
• 28:01
  But I think even even like, if you're an introvert, like, I'm
• 28:05
  an introvert and I I love my own time and space and stuff.
• 28:08
  But like for man do I love the company of other people as well.
• 28:12
  Like, of course, an interesting balance.
• 28:14
  I mean like that's why I'm I'm very lucky to have my partner
• 28:17
  Jess. She really is my my rock with
• 28:19
  everything. You know whether it comes if if
• 28:22
  I don't thank you. I really appreciate it.
• 28:24
  Like if I upload a video she's the first person to watch like
• 28:28
  comment. If I'm D Jing, she is by my
• 28:32
  side, being my hype man the entire time.
• 28:35
  Like for this week we we we had what we call sample sale at Sega
• 28:42
  where the licensing department when they get samples from
• 28:45
  different merch that's made they they sell it all to the people
• 28:48
  in the company and the August charity.
• 28:51
  It's really, really nice and thing and you know, I went and
• 28:56
  spent a bit of money on. A fair few items.
• 29:00
  A lot. A lot, yeah.
• 29:02
  Not as bad as I did at the last one, but I I'm just looking at
• 29:05
  some of it now, like just looking at it like I don't know
• 29:07
  if I can justify this. Yeah, pretty much.
• 29:09
  And so she came and met me at the office to help me drag all
• 29:14
  these bags home. So, like, she's just, she's the
• 29:17
  absolute best. But what I will say about the
• 29:20
  point you are making is nobody ever in the history of mankind.
• 29:28
  Or humankind. Sorry, I don't.
• 29:29
  I don't want to. Yeah, humankind has ever asked
• 29:34
  for this. No one has ever asked for their
• 29:39
  existence. I didn't ask to be born.
• 29:42
  No, but no one did. It's true.
• 29:45
  And I'm not being funny. I don't want to sound really
• 29:47
  depressing here, but how many people, if given the option
• 29:53
  right at this point, would say okay?
• 29:56
  No reverse it. I die.
• 29:58
  I would rather not have gone through this because life is
• 30:01
  work. Life is not easy unless you're
• 30:05
  born into, you know, a trust fund with you never have to
• 30:10
  worry about anything financially for the rest of your life.
• 30:12
  It is a struggle otherwise see. How many people would sound off
• 30:17
  themselves? This is where I'm like the total
• 30:23
  opposite. I am as well.
• 30:26
  I believe nothing worth doing is easy.
• 30:28
  That's the thing. Like, I look at life and some of
• 30:31
  the things I've gone through throughout the years and even
• 30:35
  the things I deal with today. And then I look at the things
• 30:40
  that give me happiness, that bring me joy in life and the
• 30:43
  balance between the two. And do you know, I don't know if
• 30:46
  I've actually told you this. I've told my audience this.
• 30:50
  I've, you know, I've in my live stream, so I don't know if I've
• 30:53
  actually said it on the podcast, so maybe I'm saying it for the
• 30:55
  first time. I don't know.
• 30:56
  I practice gratitude a lot now and I'm not religious.
• 31:02
  I don't really know what I am. I guess spiritual will be about
• 31:05
  the closest thing. Yeah.
• 31:07
  But every now and again, quite often, like week by week, I'll
• 31:13
  find myself sitting there just being like, thank you, thank you
• 31:15
  for everything, all this, thank you even even sometimes just
• 31:19
  like, oh, this food, oh, this day, oh, the sunshine.
• 31:22
  Oh, I got to pet a dog today. I don't know.
• 31:24
  You know, I've got to do this new acting gig, you know, every
• 31:27
  single time. And that's something I never
• 31:31
  used to do. Now I'm not going to sit here
• 31:33
  and say, like, I'm never going to not complain again.
• 31:35
  I'll certainly try not to. And I'm I'm try to look at life
• 31:39
  as the basics and if you got the basics then you know you're
• 31:42
  laughing. I'm.
• 31:43
  Gonna nip that there every right.
• 31:46
  You have every right to complain.
• 31:49
  This is why I don't This is one thing that I think people really
• 31:52
  lose out of again. Life is not easy.
• 31:55
  It's true. And yes, if you live in a
• 31:57
  negative mindset, then you're always going to be negative.
• 32:01
  However, you have every right with how this world is.
• 32:07
  Every now and then say, do you know what?
• 32:09
  This pisses me off? Just don't live in it.
• 32:13
  Just don't wallow in it and make your whole life that.
• 32:15
  But I feel like people are too quick to be like or shouldn't be
• 32:19
  negative. No.
• 32:20
  If you want to tell the world to F off because you're having a
• 32:23
  bad day, you do that. That's your right.
• 32:25
  You've earned that that day. But don't live in it.
• 32:28
  Don't make it your life. Don't let it poison you.
• 32:30
  I've said the same thing to my audience quite a few times.
• 32:32
  Like, it's the. I think it's good to get it out
• 32:35
  and then get up and and get shit done.
• 32:39
  Still get. Back on the horse, But like, I
• 32:41
  don't know. Like I I feel sometimes like
• 32:44
  when you do not, I'm not gonna say it's a weird one.
• 32:47
  Like, I think it's good to get it out of your system.
• 32:49
  But at the same time, when I look at the things I complain
• 32:52
  about sometimes and then I look at my life now and how it used
• 32:56
  to be in a way, I do kind of look at it and go, you know
• 32:59
  what? Like this is ridiculous.
• 33:00
  Like, what the fuck are you complaining about, you know,
• 33:02
  Yeah, things might not be exactly where you want them to
• 33:05
  be, but you're working towards them.
• 33:07
  And every now and again you get a breakthrough.
• 33:09
  And it's like, and I think going back to like the beginning of
• 33:13
  our conversation, you know, things take time.
• 33:16
  I think if if you were given everything on a plate straight
• 33:20
  away, you wouldn't know what to do with it.
• 33:32
  Do you know why? You'd fuck it up.
• 33:23
  You know How I Met Your Mother, the show.
• 33:25
  Imagine if Ted had got a right. Same.
• 33:28
  Imagine if Ted had got everything in season one.
• 33:31
  He He would have fucked it up. He would.
• 33:34
  But you know why The my biggest reason why I'm so glad he didn't
• 33:37
  get everything in season one. So I did a rewatch recently I I
• 33:42
  Full disclosure I'm doing really well.
• 33:43
  Your mother 5 * a Year 5 times a year, yeah.
• 33:48
  It's my favorite show of all time.
• 33:49
  That and the The Office, the American version.
• 33:52
  And I'm very much like, I like to put something on that I've
• 33:55
  already seen so I don't need to give it my full attention.
• 33:59
  So I go to the show exactly. So it shows like How Met Your
• 34:02
  Mother and The Office Peep Show, things like that.
• 34:06
  I just, I consistently go through and if Ted had got
• 34:10
  everything in season one, we never would have got the high.
• 34:15
  I'm Ted Mosby, and in 45 days we're going to meet and we're
• 34:19
  going to fall in love and we're going to have two children.
• 34:23
  And I know your boyfriend's going to probably turn up and
• 34:26
  punch you in the face, but. Not here because I want those
• 34:29
  extra 45 days with you, man. It makes you cry every single
• 34:34
  time when you know the context. Yeah, I just, I honestly, I'm in
• 34:38
  pieces every time I see that seed.
• 34:41
  I've Kevin got everything in the season, but I wouldn't have got
• 34:43
  that. So scrap that, it's it's like I
• 34:45
  feel like with that whole show like I've always used it as a
• 34:48
  good example because the whole point, I mean there's so many
• 34:52
  good lessons there, but one of the biggest points it's trying
• 34:54
  to make is, you know to meet the right person, you have to become
• 35:00
  the right person to you know what I mean?
• 35:02
  Like, and it's it's not about the, you know, you're not good
• 35:05
  enough right now, whatever. It's more like if you look at
• 35:08
  yourself and you're really honest with yourself.
• 35:10
  So for anyone listening that's that's met their partner and you
• 35:13
  know you're really loved up and you're happy.
• 35:15
  Think about who you were 5-10 years ago and then think about
• 35:21
  who you are, who you were sorry when you met your partner.
• 35:24
  Like it's there's growth there and even like during the
• 35:28
  relationship, you grow together, you know you you become more
• 35:32
  compatible for each other. You work at it.
• 35:34
  You know it's it's a partnership.
• 35:36
  But like that journey has to happen.
• 35:38
  I think you have to have certain experiences.
• 35:40
  Like right now this, the frustration for me with not
• 35:43
  having met someone is the like, I'm ready.
• 35:46
  Like I know I am. I know I'm in the right
• 35:48
  headspace. I know I've become that person.
• 35:51
  But see then again on the flip side, maybe, maybe I haven't,
• 35:55
  maybe I still need to do some growth, you know, it's so
• 35:58
  interesting. Yeah, I think one thing that
• 36:01
  show also teaches us that I think is is very I kind of
• 36:05
  realized on my last rewatch I was like, it toys for so long
• 36:09
  with the idea of Ted finding his his soul mate, right.
• 36:14
  He finds too. Nah, Robin is not his soul mate.
• 36:22
  No, from the fast denied did not.
• 36:25
  See. No, dude, to where we get at the
• 36:27
  end. People don't have to like that
• 36:29
  finale, right? But let's let's be realistic.
• 36:32
  They they almost got there at the beginning.
• 36:35
  They had the break. He met the mother of his
• 36:37
  children was They went in right for each other.
• 36:39
  But then they they're together at the end.
• 36:41
  Yeah, right off into the sunset together.
• 36:44
  Because like, well, okay, if we're being real, I suppose the
• 36:47
  story, the story there is maybe it can happen later on when
• 36:51
  things have changed circumstances.
• 36:52
  Don't give. I think this is contradictory.
• 36:55
  This is an issue I have with the show, but it's something it does
• 36:58
  teach and I'm like. That's interesting I just I.
• 37:02
  Would show up the other way. When they broke up.
• 37:05
  Like, I think what was it? There was two things.
• 37:07
  One was I think she couldn't have kids or didn't want to have
• 37:11
  kids. Something like that might have
• 37:13
  been. Didn't want to have kids.
• 37:14
  Didn't want to get married. That was it.
• 37:16
  And obviously that's that's Ted's mo, right?
• 37:19
  Which was fair enough as a breakup.
• 37:20
  Yeah, no faith. Totally fair.
• 37:22
  Not hating on that. But obviously many, many, many
• 37:26
  years later, I suppose. Yeah, Okay, You know, he's had
• 37:29
  kids, he's had a wife. So he's gotten everything he
• 37:32
  wanted. So now he can be with her.
• 37:34
  Maybe. But then, I don't know, There
• 37:35
  was other thing like her career, like, she's a career woman.
• 37:38
  Her career was her life. That's not going to have changed
• 37:42
  1059, right? She's still the same person.
• 37:45
  She's just older and circumstances changed.
• 37:48
  And This is why I felt like her and Barney were a better couple
• 37:51
  because he got it. He had his own life.
• 37:55
  And when they broke them up, I was like, ah, this sucks, man.
• 37:59
  Like you built so long, like painting them together as like
• 38:02
  working and it made sense. And then you break them apart
• 38:05
  just as a plot device and it's like.
• 38:08
  Have you been watching How I Met Your Father?
• 38:11
  No. Right.
• 38:12
  So I'm going to, I'm going to bat for this.
• 38:14
  Now, the first season I wasn't sold, I wasn't sold.
• 38:19
  Second season, I'm not completely chips in, but I can
• 38:26
  tell. It's the same writers.
• 38:30
  I'm getting those. The charm is starting to come
• 38:32
  through. And very interestingly, I'm not
• 38:35
  going to spoil this for anyone that may be watching this and is
• 38:38
  going to watch it. They pick up with Barney after
• 38:43
  they've picked up on the aftermath, what he's doing now
• 38:47
  and. And as much as I do think the
• 38:51
  hit breaking him and Robin up was a butchering of everything
• 38:54
  they've done on Barney's character development so far,
• 38:57
  seeing where he is now, I love it.
• 39:01
  I love it. He's really, it's from where
• 39:04
  they left him in the end of that finale, they really pick up on
• 39:07
  it. You get some closure between him
• 39:11
  and the situation with his dad when talking to someone else
• 39:14
  about the situation with their dad.
• 39:17
  You get some a bit more detail on on Ellie, his his daughter
• 39:22
  and and how that was one element I did like.
• 39:24
  I teased me up every time you want the love of my life, Yeah,
• 39:28
  that's that. That was salvaged a little bit
• 39:31
  I. Think it did.
• 39:33
  But they go into that, they go into how he is trying to change
• 39:36
  to be less of a seasonable and it's all just from one one
• 39:42
  episode cameo kind of before like guest appearance will say.
• 39:46
  And I just, I love Barney. He's probably my favorite
• 39:50
  character. I think he's most people's
• 39:51
  favorite character from the show.
• 39:53
  But yeah, it was quite nice to see how they've, they've
• 39:56
  developed his character and it still feels very authentic.
• 39:59
  I do have a question for you though.
• 40:00
  Like so I I have this question with a lot of people.
• 40:03
  Interesting. Which How I Met Your Mother,
• 40:07
  main male character. Are you Ted?
• 40:11
  Hands down, it's easy. I've been told people's
• 40:15
  romantic. Yeah, that dude.
• 40:17
  That part of the reason why I love that show is because like
• 40:19
  as much as Ted is over the top and dramatic, that's exactly me
• 40:22
  as well. Overthinking, getting emotional.
• 40:26
  Like he for example, This is why How I Met Your Mother shits all
• 40:29
  over friends, because this is what they tried to do with Ross,
• 40:33
  that he was an asshole. Whereas Ted, like don't get me
• 40:36
  wrong, he has some dodgy. Yeah, there are some moments
• 40:40
  later down the line that has the iron out, but he always kind of
• 40:43
  gets like he learns a lesson and then see that that was a thing
• 40:50
  that was like, I'm not going to say there's no character
• 40:53
  development at all in friends. But like, for instance, I feel
• 40:55
  like Ross gets progressively worse throughout the seasons and
• 40:59
  a hypocritical. And whereas Ted like irons out a
• 41:02
  little bit more, he gets a bit more.
• 41:04
  Yeah, he still fucks up and makes mistakes because he's
• 41:07
  guided by his emotions and his heart, but at the same time
• 41:10
  he's, you know, he doesn't learn, Yeah.
• 41:14
  I think with Friends after season 2, they drop any sort of
• 41:17
  idea of character development and make the entire premise of
• 41:20
  the show. Will Ross and Rachel get
• 41:22
  together. That's what that's all it
• 41:24
  becomes about and it's just not interesting anymore.
• 41:26
  That's the thing when at the time, obviously, like everyone
• 41:29
  else was like, yeah, when it's when it's happened because you
• 41:31
  know, you get sucked in and then you look at it as an adult and
• 41:34
  you're like, no, no, no, no. This is an awful relationship.
• 41:37
  They're very toxic. They should not be together.
• 41:40
  But you know why it worked? Because it was week by week what
• 41:45
  you mean. You weren't binging it, so you
• 41:47
  weren't like, can this fucking story just wrap up now?
• 41:50
  You were there each week, like, will it more bread crumbs, more
• 41:54
  to follow. That's how it engaged its
• 41:56
  audience. That is a very good point.
• 41:59
  Like being able to binge watch a series now does totally change
• 42:03
  it. Yep.
• 42:04
  Like, I just finished The Sopranos, which, Oh my God, wow,
• 42:08
  incredible show. Yeah, but that is a slug because
• 42:11
  it's like, every episode is an hour, right?
• 42:14
  It's like a mini movie every single time.
• 42:16
  And you really have to commit to it.
• 42:19
  But I would imagine that TV show was super exciting to watch week
• 42:24
  by week when it was first coming out because it was like, you
• 42:27
  know, there was a connecting story.
• 42:29
  But also every episode felt very different, kind of like How I
• 42:32
  Met Your Mother. So it kind of like keeps you
• 42:35
  drawn in and you don't have to see this is a problem I have
• 42:38
  like when when they do this, for example with like, they'll do it
• 42:43
  with like low key. They do it on Disney where like
• 42:45
  they have the whole series available, but they choose to do
• 42:48
  week by week. And I don't know about you, but
• 42:51
  I end up like forgetting like those readouts.
• 42:53
  I need that. Because I just forget.
• 42:55
  So I have a really weird thing. You know how I am about comic
• 42:58
  books. Let's let's get into that
• 43:00
  straight away. So for instance, Secret Invasion
• 43:02
  just came out recently. A lot of people don't like
• 43:04
  Secret Invasion. I did not hate Secret Invasion.
• 43:08
  Sorry, not sorry. But I did find that when I was
• 43:11
  watching it on a week by week basis because I was more excited
• 43:15
  about what was coming next week. That was very much a thing after
• 43:18
  I I'd watched it on a week by week basis.
• 43:20
  I watched it all the way through and it wasn't as strong because
• 43:24
  I'm like, there's no hype, there's no anticipation.
• 43:27
  And also, they butchered it at the end.
• 43:29
  They lost me. Like, I'm about to finish it
• 43:31
  soon, but I'm not putting it off because I know it's the shits,
• 43:33
  but I know what's happened. Like, OK, can we go spoilers?
• 43:36
  Can we just go into it? I spoiler warning for the.
• 43:40
  Podcast spoilers. Spoilers.
• 43:43
  I warned you, so don't have a go at me.
• 43:44
  Don't at me. So as I understand, we, well, we
• 43:48
  kind of already knew. The whole arcing storyline is
• 43:50
  basically this Scroll invasion happened in the 90s when Captain
• 43:54
  Marvel, you know, became a thing.
• 43:57
  Yeah. And now the storyline is, oh, so
• 44:01
  this means that you never know who's a Scroll and who isn't.
• 44:04
  So maybe some of your favorite characters are still alive.
• 44:08
  Oh my God. And like, the big reveal is the
• 44:12
  war machine. Roads, whatever his name is
• 44:15
  Brody. Brody is a scroll.
• 44:18
  But they said that. I think this stuff online says
• 44:21
  that it dates back to Civil War. Which is wrong, right?
• 44:25
  I'm going to put this out because this is a big thing in
• 44:27
  the Marvel fan base. The director is wrong and I I
• 44:31
  know that's big of director. The director of the series is
• 44:35
  wrong and I know that's big for me, something that on the
• 44:38
  Internet. How can the director be wrong?
• 44:41
  I mean. He says Civil war, right?
• 44:46
  From from that from the only time that we don't see Rhody
• 44:53
  with the leg supports that he needs after civil War.
• 44:57
  Do you remember? He needs those because Vision
• 45:00
  shot him out of the sky. The first time that we see him
• 45:02
  without him is Captain Falcon in The Winter Soldier, and there's
• 45:09
  no explanation for why he doesn't need them, right?
• 45:13
  When Roadie is saved at the end of Secret Invasion from the
• 45:17
  bunker they were keeping him suspended in, he has the leg
• 45:21
  supports. The Roadie Secret Invasion does
• 45:26
  not have the leg supports. He's able to just walk.
• 45:29
  So I So while the director's saying that I'm pretty sure good
• 45:32
  old Kevin's going to come out on his snapback and be like Kevin
• 45:36
  Feige with all of my heart, he's going to come out on this.
• 45:38
  Bell is at some point because fans have literally picked it
• 45:40
  apart and said no. Because of the leg support.
• 45:43
  He needs the leg support because his spine is fucked.
• 45:47
  And also I think as a fact this is mad because this is like
• 45:51
  changing Sonic's design all over again.
• 45:54
  The Marvel fan base will not accept that it was a scroll that
• 46:00
  said goodbye to Tony. I'm not having it.
• 46:04
  That was Roadie. That moment is.
• 46:07
  That moment is like. 10 years of build up that I break it to your
• 46:12
  kids. I was.
• 46:13
  Waiting for No, I did not break it to your kid.
• 46:17
  I think he's just a very good actor.
• 46:19
  He's a good actor. But the the leg support thing is
• 46:22
  the big thing of it because like he is dependent on them.
• 46:25
  They they knew they couldn't fix his back.
• 46:27
  Like, yeah, but if he's in an Iron Man seat, in the in the war
• 46:31
  machine seat, that does support him because it's the fucking
• 46:34
  hydraulic billion dollar suit. But when he's walking around
• 46:39
  normally, he always has the leg things on phase 4IN general I
• 46:44
  spoke about this with Shout out to Buckminster Cole below that I
• 46:52
  kind of feel like it's a bit of a weak story.
• 46:56
  I suppose where this is headed is this could, especially if you
• 47:00
  consider that we've got the whole multiverse thing as well
• 47:03
  and the ability to traverse different unifiers versus.
• 47:06
  There's a lot to explore there. There's a lot we we could do
• 47:08
  with that. I'm excited about all the
• 47:12
  potential with the X-Men stuff. You know, I think there's a lot
• 47:15
  of stuff you can flesh out there.
• 47:16
  I think actually Loki Season 2 is actually going to hopefully
• 47:20
  pick up the momentum because everything else has been, you
• 47:24
  know, there's just kind of like I I feel like that the biggest
• 47:27
  issue is if the storyline is going to be, by the time we get
• 47:30
  to like the next major movie, Avengers, whatever it will be.
• 47:33
  Kang Dynasty, right? It will be like, are we going to
• 47:37
  go to the point where you get different people from different
• 47:40
  universes, but you don't know who's a scroll and who isn't?
• 47:43
  Does that mean you can bring back certain people so all?
• 47:47
  Right. Let me do this.
• 47:48
  Let me do my big wanting to do this for a while.
• 47:50
  About phase four, I was actually going to do a video on this.
• 47:53
  I may still do it on the channel, do it, actually do it.
• 47:56
  Phase four has been very hit and miss.
• 47:58
  That's putting it lightly. It's had some fantastic films
• 48:02
  like Shang Chi, Spiderman, No Way Home, and I'll give you
• 48:07
  that. I personally didn't hate Quantum
• 48:10
  Mania, but that's because I'm very much like his villain and
• 48:14
  they made him look like crap. In that though, he he was comic
• 48:18
  accurate. In that man he looked.
• 48:19
  That comic book outfit was pretty spotted.
• 48:22
  I'm not talking about how he looks.
• 48:23
  He looks brilliant. I'm talking about how he's
• 48:25
  betrayed because so far, don't forget the 1st.
• 48:29
  And I said this in the last episode, but where I spoke about
• 48:33
  this, the past two introductions to this character, Let's say
• 48:38
  you're not a comic book fan, right?
• 48:40
  Or you're just going on what you're being shown in the
• 48:42
  movies, right? The first instance is in low
• 48:46
  key, right? He explains everything.
• 48:49
  He gets killed instantly. And then that shows you like, Oh
• 48:53
  my God, like, you know, he's everywhere.
• 48:55
  And then it felt big. It felt huge, right?
• 48:59
  Fast forward to Ant Man and he just gets punked out really
• 49:01
  easily. Now granted, that's one in one
• 49:04
  specific universe, but still, it's like we're trying to build
• 49:07
  him as a fret, you know? Look at how look at how Thanos
• 49:11
  was built. Yeah, but he's not dead in that
• 49:14
  specific universe you mean. That one from Ant Man.
• 49:18
  He's not dead. No, he you just pissed him off
• 49:22
  big time. No, he's not specific when he
• 49:26
  was dead, I'm sure of it. He's not dead.
• 49:29
  He's incapacitated. He's not dead, so millions and
• 49:32
  millions of metal ants can't kill him.
• 49:36
  No, come on, He's Tang the Conqueror.
• 49:39
  He's shrunk again. He's shrunk even into a
• 49:43
  completely different. Sub sector of the Quantum realm.
• 49:48
  Now the what we're hearing and these leaks are normally fairly
• 49:52
  accurate. So potential spoilers for the
• 49:55
  upcoming Avengers films. The Avengers Kang Dynasty is
• 49:58
  going to deal with all of the Kangs that stopped that Kangs.
• 50:04
  So the Mortars, Ramata, Silver Centurion, you know when we saw
• 50:08
  the Colosseum of Kangs at the end will be about them because
• 50:12
  they're like. The Avengers are touching the
• 50:14
  multiverse. We've got, we've got to stop
• 50:15
  this now and and that will be that big one at the end of it
• 50:20
  all, The Kang that was in at Man The and the Waskontomania, he
• 50:27
  will play the role of Doctor Doom in Secret Wars.
• 50:32
  So he won't be Doctor Doom, but he will be after this massive
• 50:36
  multiversal war goes on with the Council of Kangs and The
• 50:39
  Avengers from across the multiverse.
• 50:42
  He will take reality and he will piece together what he can from
• 50:46
  incursions that happen of universes colliding into each
• 50:49
  other. And he will make one world,
• 50:51
  which will most likely be called Battle World as it is in the
• 50:53
  comics because that's what it is in the Avenge of Secret War
• 50:56
  comics and it's called Avenge of Secret War.
• 50:59
  And from that he will be God and it will be down to everyone that
• 51:04
  he said, because he does save people.
• 51:06
  He saves entire sections of the universe as he tries to make a
• 51:09
  functioning world. It will be down to those
• 51:12
  Avengers and everyone else X-Men to try and take him down.
• 51:19
  Take the power of God from him and then from there the
• 51:22
  Fantastic Four go off and start recreating the universe properly
• 51:27
  as it. That's how it goes in the
• 51:28
  comics, except it's Doctor Doom, not Kang, but the leaks are
• 51:32
  suggesting it will be Kang that takes out Doctor Doom position.
• 51:36
  So it's all making sense. It's just.
• 51:41
  How it's intricately woven and I think the problem they have with
• 51:46
  the multiverse stuff, and it's something that I've always said
• 51:48
  I was worried about, is I've been following this for a long
• 51:52
  time, man. I've been following this shit
• 51:54
  since before it was MTU as you have as well like, but it was,
• 51:58
  you know, we have Sam rabies, Spider bad, those awful Ghost
• 52:00
  Rider beans, the. Original Fantastic Force.
• 52:02
  All that, right? You can't just give me fan
• 52:05
  service anymore. You can't just dangle the keys
• 52:09
  in front of me and say, oh, look at this character from this
• 52:11
  universe I'm not by. That's not enough to sell, I
• 52:13
  agree. I agree with that.
• 52:15
  Doctor Strange and the multiverse about I hated it.
• 52:18
  I loved Reed Richards, John Kaczynski.
• 52:21
  Yeah, I loved seeing Professor X back.
• 52:25
  I love seeing black back. That's not enough.
• 52:27
  Professor X got punked out straight away and I was just
• 52:30
  like, oh, she's. Yeah, she can do that.
• 52:33
  Not being funny she's she's that powerful in the comics like
• 52:38
  Charles is when she goes mad and she's like destroying realities
• 52:42
  in the House of and that that Charles is like trying to keep
• 52:45
  her asleep. And I don't have a problem with
• 52:47
  that. I I accept that Scott the Witch
• 52:49
  is a really powerful character. That's that's no problem.
• 52:54
  The issue I have is like you introduce this, you know,
• 52:58
  reintroduce this huge character and then just kill them off
• 53:02
  straight away. Do you know what I mean it this
• 53:03
  feels a bit. It's because none of those
• 53:05
  characters are going to be the main cast, like John Kasinski
• 53:09
  isn't going to be Mr. Fantastic in Fantastic Four.
• 53:13
  Patrick Shewitt isn't going to be the new Professor X, although
• 53:16
  apparently now there's rumors they want to pull McAvoy and
• 53:18
  Fassbender back. And I'm like.
• 53:20
  Stuff from other universes that you want to keep here because it
• 53:23
  doesn't. Continuity wise, this doesn't
• 53:25
  make sense. And this is kind of what I was
• 53:26
  going back to you before. Stop dangling keys in front of
• 53:29
  my face and make it worth something for the plot.
• 53:33
  Like Toby and Andrew was one of the greatest cinematic
• 53:38
  experiences I've ever had in my life.
• 53:41
  I didn't think anything was going to top cap, get in the
• 53:43
  hammer and then like 2 years later.
• 53:47
  Oh shit, that was the same level.
• 53:48
  Okay people like screaming with happiness in the cinema.
• 53:51
  Love it. That's.
• 53:54
  Great, but now I want it to matter.
• 53:55
  To the plot. If you're going to bring these
• 53:57
  people in, let it have something to do with the narrative of the
• 54:03
  film besides fanservice Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.
• 54:08
  Come back for Deadpool 3. Great.
• 54:10
  He's got the comic outfit. Oh my fucking God, I'm so on
• 54:13
  board as Ryan Reynolds said. We're not touching Logan.
• 54:17
  This is separate from that. Fine.
• 54:20
  That's what I want. Don't just dangle it in front of
• 54:22
  my face for the sake of it. Do something.
• 54:24
  Dip. Don't ever fuck with Logan,
• 54:26
  because that film is an absolute masterpiece.
• 54:29
  Just do something. So this is its own thing and
• 54:31
  this is going to go in. This is MCU now, so will Hugh
• 54:34
  Jackman keep coming back? Who knows.
• 54:35
  But let's just make it plot centric.
• 54:39
  Don't just be like here's Hugh Jackman.
• 54:41
  That's what I want. That's what I want going for ran
• 54:43
  over. I agree, man.
• 54:46
  All right, I'm. I'm going to switch things up
• 54:48
  massively and throw something at you that I'm not really sure how
• 54:51
  you're going to react to this. Yeah.
• 54:55
  So if you don't want to talk about it, we we don't have to
• 54:58
  talk about it. So you've been on the show?
• 55:03
  Seven times, Yeah. We've spoken about Sonic at
• 55:07
  Nauseam. I love talking about Sonic.
• 55:09
  That's be wrong. One thing I've never asked you
• 55:12
  about, which I've I've only really learned about this in the
• 55:16
  past year cuz I've been kind of looking into Internet law.
• 55:20
  Okay all my research. What are your thoughts on
• 55:25
  sonitude? When I was sitting down writing
• 55:32
  the question, I was thinking, does he know about this?
• 55:34
  And I'm like of course he knows about this.
• 55:36
  Like how can you not know about this?
• 55:38
  But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
• 55:41
  We don't have to go. Into anything about Christian
• 55:44
  because that's the whole show waiting to happen.
• 55:47
  I want to kind of focus more specifically on this character
• 55:53
  as it pertains. To Sonic, as it pertains to like
• 55:59
  issues of copyright, stuff like that.
• 56:02
  So like looking at you're just kind of general thoughts on this
• 56:05
  character? I.
• 56:09
  Mean I don't. I should probably preface this.
• 56:11
  Before we get into saying I don't speak on behalf of say
• 56:15
  None of what I say is representative of everything
• 56:18
  that Sega says. You know, the the, the, the
• 56:20
  standard of this claim. I was speaking as my own
• 56:21
  individual and I I implore creativity.
• 56:27
  I think it's great to like if if if Copper was a complete thing,
• 56:31
  I wouldn't be able to sit here and draw pictures of Sonic and
• 56:34
  characters and things like that like so I I completely support
• 56:37
  ones. Right to create their own things
• 56:43
  as to some of the the content. That this.
• 56:48
  The song that you went down and it surrounds it.
• 56:50
  That is not my cup of tea. I mean no discrimination towards
• 56:55
  anyone whose cup of tea it is. It's just it's a weird one.
• 57:01
  It's a it's a relic from a bygone Internet age, isn't it?
• 57:05
  And the problem is it's become. So intrinsically linked with how
• 57:12
  problematic Chris or Christine Chandler is, I'm not sure which
• 57:19
  one going by now. So I mean no offense by using
• 57:21
  either one. I know Chris has, it's got it's
• 57:24
  been Chris, it's been Christine, it's been it has flip flop back
• 57:27
  once or twice I think. So Christine still goes by Chris
• 57:31
  chat because obviously Chris is short for Christine but they
• 57:34
  identify as she her okay. So I I meant no.
• 57:38
  Offense and of course, but yeah, very problematic.
• 57:44
  Really can't support any of the stuff that's come out recently.
• 57:47
  And again, I didn't, I didn't want to focus so much on that.
• 57:50
  Yeah, no, I know. Completely.
• 57:51
  But it's so. Difficult to separate them.
• 57:54
  Well okay, because if I think solitude, I think of the
• 57:57
  picture. With the chain around the neck,
• 58:01
  the huge solitude chain that yay or the that's the first thing my
• 58:06
  mind goes to. I just okay.
• 58:08
  There's a few things I want to explore with you on this, cuz
• 58:11
  this is more where I want to kind of guide the conversation.
• 58:13
  Cuz yeah, I knew when I was gonna ask you this there'd be
• 58:15
  some interesting stuff to flesh out here.
• 58:17
  So talking about copyright, and I've had like disagreements with
• 58:23
  my housemate over this because we like to talk about this quite
• 58:25
  a lot. And he one time we were sitting
• 58:27
  there playing Mario Kart right? And it almost turned into an
• 58:32
  argument because he was like, he was adamant that.
• 58:38
  Chris Chan was able to claim sort of like some ownership
• 58:42
  creative rights over the character, and I immediately was
• 58:45
  like, no, what do you mean it's owned by Sega and I suppose
• 58:50
  Nintendo, Pokémon Company, whatever, right?
• 58:53
  Like so. They can't possibly make any
• 58:55
  money off of it, but they have consistently.
• 58:59
  And apparently there's something in law that actually protects
• 59:02
  this I. Don't excuse me, I'm.
• 59:05
  Not an expat copper right law. No me either.
• 59:07
  But but like there's there's something out there which
• 59:12
  because it's kind of like. It's from what I read, it's like
• 59:17
  something along the lines of like transformative content.
• 59:21
  But I'm just surprised over the years that considering the fact
• 59:26
  that Christian has made money through the comics through
• 59:29
  various other things they've done with this character selling
• 59:32
  merchant, right, I'm surprised that Nintendo or the Pokémon
• 59:36
  Company never sued them or or kind of made a claim or
• 59:39
  something like that. I'm not sure.
• 59:42
  I mean like I drew a picture of Sonic in Spiderman seat.
• 59:48
  To his own like it's full head shape but like it was the full
• 59:50
  spider. I thought it was quite cool and
• 59:53
  I I did the proper spider symbol on there that on the center of
• 59:58
  the chest and I suppose if I tried to make something off of
• 1:00:01
  that Disney. Could turn.
• 1:00:04
  Around and say that. Yep, that's ours, But that
• 1:00:09
  Disney would. Go for you and Disney would
• 1:00:11
  absolutely understand. But then more.
• 1:00:13
  To be fair, I've seen some. Clothing companies recently that
• 1:00:15
  are producing stuff that I'm like.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah, the the the copyright owners do not know about that
• 1:00:21
  clearly because that would be straight off.
• 1:00:23
  Probably just trying their luck as, yeah, how long they can get
• 1:00:26
  along with it, yeah, because all they'll get.
• 1:00:27
  Is a cease and desist to start? Probably it's like, do you
• 1:00:30
  remember when we were going, I mean, OK, this is a bit
• 1:00:32
  different, but remember when we were growing up and we used to
• 1:00:34
  go to Camden Town and there was like all those bootleg, you
• 1:00:38
  know, Metallica tshirts, for example, You know what I mean?
• 1:00:41
  Like, I I got like so many of my bootleg shirts and they were
• 1:00:45
  great quality, but they were all bootleg 100%.
• 1:00:48
  Oh yeah, of course. But you don't really see that
• 1:00:50
  anymore. Like, they've kind of ironed
• 1:00:53
  that out quite. Yeah, a little bit.
• 1:00:55
  I think the music industry is kind of taking hold of that.
• 1:00:57
  Because they're not making money from music anymore.
• 1:01:01
  They are making money from merch and stuff like that.
• 1:01:04
  When you think about that, like the music industry, and you
• 1:01:07
  don't make money from music, actually Spotify pay your
• 1:01:10
  artists more. Jesus Christ 0.0001 penny per
• 1:01:15
  plate. The whole reason they're.
• 1:01:17
  Using your app is because of these.
• 1:01:18
  Artists, come on, give them more money.
• 1:01:23
  Let's bring it back to Sonic. What do you think the future
• 1:01:26
  holds for the franchise? Because obviously, I think the
• 1:01:29
  last time we spoke it had hit 30 years, so.
• 1:01:34
  Yes, I think we're on 30. Two now this year, right?
• 1:01:38
  So let's say one. Say one last time we spoke.
• 1:01:39
  When can we really? Go forward with this.
• 1:01:42
  I mean, Sonic has. Sonic is probably more popular
• 1:01:46
  now than he ever has been. And the movie?
• 1:01:49
  What? Just like the movie and the
• 1:01:52
  movie, He's a household name. Again, he is completely.
• 1:01:55
  A household name Again, kids, I've never seen so much Sonic
• 1:01:59
  merchandise out there. You know I'm you going to a
• 1:02:02
  Tesco now You will find Sonic toys.
• 1:02:05
  Like, kids are eating this stuff up.
• 1:02:08
  Every kid is getting solid stuff for home.
• 1:02:10
  I, you know, I see kids going to school in the morning when I'm
• 1:02:13
  on my way to work with Sonic backpacks and stuff like that.
• 1:02:15
  Walking past the office like bigger than it's ever been.
• 1:02:19
  And we've got the third movie coming next year.
• 1:02:21
  I was going to ask you about that.
• 1:02:23
  Yes, so December 2020. 4 Shadow the Hedgehog will be making live
• 1:02:30
  action, baby. So you'll be the villain,
• 1:02:33
  surely? Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  But I'm from what the writers have said online.
• 1:02:33
  I think they're going to be Sonic Adventure too.
• 1:02:35
  I don't. I'm pretty sure it's going to be
• 1:02:39
  Sonic. I think.
• 1:02:39
  I think the logical move there is bring in Shadow as a villain
• 1:02:44
  and then they definitely going to go for some sort of Sonic
• 1:02:48
  universe deal aren't they? Probably.
• 1:02:50
  I mean, yeah, they they you've got the.
• 1:02:52
  Knuckles show coming and the spinoff show from the Movie with
• 1:02:56
  Idris Elbara's Knuckles some pal.
• 1:02:58
  Plus, that'll be coming soon. And then you've got movie three.
• 1:03:02
  They want to build a Sonic cinematic universe.
• 1:03:04
  I I mean, again, I don't know this about insider info, but
• 1:03:07
  like just from what I'm seeing, from how they're building this
• 1:03:09
  and spinning off stuff, I I would love for us to get like a
• 1:03:13
  shadow movie down the line or something like that.
• 1:03:14
  I was gonna say that would be a no brainer.
• 1:03:16
  I think especially especially with like how how it looked
• 1:03:20
  years ago, like I remember you playing the like that PS2 game
• 1:03:24
  to death and it still holds up all these years later.
• 1:03:27
  Like the character is very intriguing, like also just from
• 1:03:31
  a visual standpoint, because obviously all the Sonic
• 1:03:33
  characters somewhat are like visually reminiscent of of Sonic
• 1:03:41
  in Shadow. Shadow is the most obvious
• 1:03:42
  example of that. Like, it's almost like the
• 1:03:45
  antithesis to him, yeah? It's it's an intriguing, there's
• 1:03:49
  a lot to explore there from a story.
• 1:03:51
  One thing that I think is really interesting.
• 1:03:53
  Is Jeff Fowler the director of the Sonic movies?
• 1:03:56
  Worked on the cutscenes for Shadow the Hedgehog, the game
• 1:04:01
  which is some of the most beautiful cutscenes we've had in
• 1:04:03
  the series. They're very CGI, very
• 1:04:05
  beautiful, and he knows his character very, very well.
• 1:04:09
  And a lot of people were a bit critical that they've skipped
• 1:04:13
  Sonic Adventure One in terms of the movies and gone straight to
• 1:04:16
  Sonic Adventure Two. And it's like no.
• 1:04:18
  It it makes complete sense. Shadow is the second most
• 1:04:22
  popular character in the entire franchise.
• 1:04:24
  Wow, really. And yeah, he's every time we
• 1:04:26
  poll it, he's he's the second after Sonic.
• 1:04:29
  Is that based on merch sales as well or is that just general
• 1:04:33
  polling asking nearly like? Every year or so I see the the
• 1:04:38
  Sonic social media is picking out something that's trying to
• 1:04:40
  gauge this interest, or you see a YouTuber do it or something
• 1:04:43
  like that. It's always Shadow, Second
• 1:04:44
  Sonic. It makes sense to capitalize on
• 1:04:48
  this. And because Jeff Fallon knows
• 1:04:52
  the character so well and loves the character so much, I can't
• 1:04:56
  wait to see what. Comes out of this, man.
• 1:04:58
  By the concept are for the post credit scene.
• 1:05:00
  In the last film in Sonic 2, it had Gerald Robotnik full of
• 1:05:06
  bullets up against the wall. But they had.
• 1:05:10
  Him fully facing the firing squad and everything, and that
• 1:05:12
  didn't make it into the movie. But it seems like they're
• 1:05:16
  pretty. I love you.
• 1:05:18
  The dedication to the source of Cereal I.
• 1:05:20
  Love that you call him Robotnik as well.
• 1:05:22
  That's the same here, brother. Same.
• 1:05:24
  So that's it. So this is I.
• 1:05:26
  I always have to explain this to the like the general audience,
• 1:05:29
  because people don't understand this.
• 1:05:31
  But Doctor Robotnik was his English name.
• 1:05:34
  His Western name, right? In Japan, he's always been.
• 1:05:39
  Called Doctor Eggman. Oh wow.
• 1:05:42
  And then in Sonic Adventure one. He was still called Robotnik and
• 1:05:46
  Sonic called him Eggman as an insult to take the piss out of
• 1:05:51
  him. Robotnik decided from that
• 1:05:54
  point, instead of Sonic being able to use it as an insult
• 1:05:57
  against him, he was going to own it.
• 1:06:00
  And then it wouldn't work. Sonic's jabs wouldn't hit him.
• 1:06:03
  So from then on he calls himself Doctor Eggman.
• 1:06:06
  He is still Doctor Robotnik, he just refers to himself as Doctor
• 1:06:10
  Eggman so Sonic can't take the piss out of him.
• 1:06:12
  Oh, there you go. That a bit of Sonic law there,
• 1:06:15
  Sonic Law, yeah. Because I knew there was
• 1:06:17
  something there where they like really branded it or whatever,
• 1:06:19
  but like I didn't know that specifically.
• 1:06:22
  That's our reason. All right there.
• 1:06:25
  We go as we kind of like draw things to a close.
• 1:06:29
  I've got like a bunch of different questions I want to
• 1:06:31
  ask you. I'm sort of like testing out
• 1:06:34
  questions, I guess. So you're my, you're my test
• 1:06:37
  subject. Okay.
• 1:06:39
  But it's fun stuff. I don't know.
• 1:06:41
  Like I I have like this list of questions.
• 1:06:44
  It's like, I suppose I kind. Of prepared it like this.
• 1:06:48
  I'm not I'm looking there's like loads and loads Oh wow.
• 1:06:51
  Yeah. It's it's like in the event that
• 1:06:52
  like if I ever don't have a show prepared or it's like a last
• 1:06:56
  minute deal or I just don't have anything to ask a question ask
• 1:07:00
  of my my guest, I'll go here because a lot of the time with
• 1:07:05
  with questions it's you know you riff off them.
• 1:07:10
  Do you know what I mean? Like you you.
• 1:07:12
  Because I think this is the interesting thing about
• 1:07:14
  interviewing and discussions is as long as you're invested in
• 1:07:17
  the conversation, you can ad Lib, you can guide it whatever.
• 1:07:20
  Like you just need these as like starting off points.
• 1:07:23
  Throwing off points. Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  And if there's stuff there, you can flesh it out and go and move
• 1:07:27
  with it. If there isn't, just keep asking
• 1:07:30
  until something goes wrong. Yeah, I feel that completely.
• 1:07:34
  But I did want. To ask you this cuz I think this
• 1:07:36
  is interesting. Earlier you mentioned about
• 1:07:38
  making mistakes and how you've learned from that, and I heard
• 1:07:42
  this beautiful question the other day and I totally am
• 1:07:45
  stealing it. What's the biggest mistake
• 1:07:48
  you've made that you've learned a valuable life lesson from?
• 1:07:57
  I. Would say.
• 1:08:05
  I made quite a lot of financial. Mistakes in my time.
• 1:08:09
  I like spending money, particularly when I don't really
• 1:08:15
  have it. So that big, big problem that a
• 1:08:18
  lot of us face. And someone said this to me when
• 1:08:21
  they were my age now, and I wish I'd listened to them.
• 1:08:27
  Start saving. They said this.
• 1:08:28
  News when I was about 20. One, start paying money aside
• 1:08:31
  because you don't want to get to your 30s and then start saving.
• 1:08:38
  Because it's so difficult. And guess what?
• 1:08:41
  I did exactly what they what they told me not to do.
• 1:08:44
  And I can get tell from your face, Sir you probably it's not
• 1:08:47
  like I haven't tried. There's been you know what it's
• 1:08:51
  so different savings. And then just life happens.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah. Life.
• 1:08:55
  Just gets in the way. Yeah, I completely get it.
• 1:08:58
  It's not. Easy.
• 1:09:00
  But you know what? If you're if you're in your
• 1:09:01
  early 20s and you're not paying rent to be at home, for
• 1:09:05
  instance, and you you know you're working a full time job
• 1:09:08
  and while you could piss out the whole weekend, just try and put
• 1:09:12
  some money. Aside every month because.
• 1:09:14
  Honestly, even if it's a little that adds up.
• 1:09:17
  And when you get to my age, you'd be like, I actually have
• 1:09:20
  something to sit on to start planning for my future.
• 1:09:23
  Because Jesus Christ, man. It's difficult.
• 1:09:29
  It's not easy. So yeah, that would.
• 1:09:32
  That would be I've made I've. Made some awful financial
• 1:09:34
  decisions in my past and I would say make better ones that that
• 1:09:37
  would be my piece of advice. Not easy, but try what?
• 1:09:41
  Is the most unexpected piece of advice you ever received.
• 1:09:51
  Do you know what? I'm just.
• 1:09:53
  Going to sound really sad, but it was a TikTok, It was a TikTok
• 1:09:56
  and it was of John Cena. Oh, cool.
• 1:09:58
  It's the best piece of advice he'd ever been given.
• 1:10:03
  And it was. I'll give some context.
• 1:10:06
  It's because I feel like this has kind of been.
• 1:10:09
  Lost in? People's work ethic in general
• 1:10:12
  recently because I think we we are part of a more empowered.
• 1:10:15
  On a demographic now we're like, no, we won't be treated like
• 1:10:18
  shit in the workplace. And actually we know we do want
• 1:10:20
  these conditions and these benefits and stuff like that.
• 1:10:23
  So it's kind of unheard of, but I don't think it detracts from
• 1:10:25
  that lesson necessarily. But John Cena said be the.
• 1:10:30
  First person to turn up. Work harder than everyone else.
• 1:10:36
  And be, be, give out the same energy as you receive.
• 1:10:41
  And I was just like, yeah. Because I kind of do that.
• 1:10:47
  And it's something that I didn't really expect to hear so much
• 1:10:49
  because I said we we are kind of getting in this thing now of
• 1:10:53
  like rightfully so we. Expect more from.
• 1:10:56
  Employer, but I think also there are some cases on the net where
• 1:11:01
  that gets pushed to absolute extremes, whether there is a
• 1:11:04
  very, very small, very, very, very small.
• 1:11:08
  Amount of people that are just like I, I well, I'm just going
• 1:11:12
  to clock in and do the bare. Minimum I can until there's my
• 1:11:15
  moments to clock out and I'm going to take my money and I'm
• 1:11:17
  going to go home and I'm just a bit like, yeah, you can do that.
• 1:11:21
  You're perfect within your right to do that.
• 1:11:23
  You get paid for what you do. But when it comes to things like
• 1:11:27
  wanting future opportunities within a company and stuff like
• 1:11:30
  that, doing things like being the first one there and making
• 1:11:33
  sure you are the person working hardest goes a long way.
• 1:11:37
  Definitely goes a long way. What quote most resonates with
• 1:11:44
  you? It's a quote from Shadow
• 1:11:49
  Hedgehog. In Sonic 06, and it is a quote I
• 1:11:53
  live my life by and it's going to sound kind of corny, but I'll
• 1:11:55
  give a bit of that explanation to it.
• 1:11:57
  And it's if the world chooses to become my enemy, then I will
• 1:12:02
  fight like I always have. And for me, it's.
• 1:12:06
  A question of your morals. And it's like even if the world
• 1:12:13
  decides that you are then the enemy, you keep sticking up for
• 1:12:18
  what you believe is right. You keep doing the things that
• 1:12:23
  help other people you. Keep you.
• 1:12:25
  Keep going because the struggle is.
• 1:12:29
  Real, but when you come out the other.
• 1:12:31
  End of it, do you know? What I mean it'll mean
• 1:12:34
  something. And that's kind of what I try
• 1:12:37
  and. Live my life by you.
• 1:12:38
  Know if the whole world tomorrow decides that I'm the enemy now.
• 1:12:43
  Well, I'm going to keep putting out the same positive energy I'm
• 1:12:46
  trying to put out. I'm going to keep putting in the
• 1:12:48
  same amount of hard work and dedication that I can, and
• 1:12:52
  nothing's going to change for me.
• 1:12:55
  You know things will improve, but I'm not going to change who
• 1:12:58
  I am in this in the face of what everyone else has threatened me,
• 1:13:02
  within reasonable limits. Let me but let me just caveat
• 1:13:05
  that. Because you know as times change
• 1:13:08
  and we do become more tolerant and more open to more things in
• 1:13:10
  the world, you do have to change your perspective.
• 1:13:13
  Probably good once a year to just take a look and would and
• 1:13:15
  be like where do my morals sit on certain issues now?
• 1:13:19
  Like, for instance, if you think in the 90s, right when we were
• 1:13:23
  born, gay marriage. Wasn't a thing.
• 1:13:27
  It wasn't particularly accepted now.
• 1:13:30
  I wouldn't ever question it. Fuck yeah, like, like.
• 1:13:34
  Gay people get married. Love is love at the end of the
• 1:13:36
  day who get but we. That wasn't the way we were
• 1:13:40
  taught in the 90s and if you think it's like a 20 year shift,
• 1:13:43
  that's the that's the thing though.
• 1:13:45
  Like I feel like with our generation I we always knew.
• 1:13:48
  We always knew. It was OK, yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Like, there was the whole thing, like when we were at school
• 1:13:53
  where like the word was kind of used in a derogatory manner.
• 1:13:57
  But do you remember, like, for a while it was kind of popular to
• 1:14:00
  use the word, but it meant more like something is crap.
• 1:14:04
  Like, this thing sucks. Yeah.
• 1:14:06
  And there were, there were people at our school that were
• 1:14:09
  that were gay that would use that word as well.
• 1:14:11
  And I actually once had an interaction.
• 1:14:14
  In school where I about full transparency, I quite offended
• 1:14:18
  someone. Oh, wow.
• 1:14:20
  Because I was used. They were gay.
• 1:14:22
  And I I used gay in that way. And you know if that person's
• 1:14:28
  watching now, I really do apologize.
• 1:14:30
  Again, that was never my intention.
• 1:14:32
  But I do think as well what we do need to think about with that
• 1:14:34
  is that word did mean something different when it was being used
• 1:14:38
  in that way. It wasn't ever in regards to a a
• 1:14:42
  homosexual individual. Yeah, I feel like.
• 1:14:45
  You know what I mean? But it wasn't people that ever
• 1:14:47
  actually thought that way. Yeah.
• 1:14:49
  But then what happened? Well, there was that behavior.
• 1:14:52
  There was a shift. You remember the assembly?
• 1:14:54
  Yeah, we stopped using it. The assembly, that was awful,
• 1:14:58
  but that's it. Do you know?
• 1:14:59
  What I mean times change. So as much as what I'm saying, I
• 1:15:03
  do live by that quote. I do think it's very important
• 1:15:05
  to maybe reevaluate once a year, every six months, and just be
• 1:15:08
  like actually how how is society changing?
• 1:15:10
  How are my views changing? How can I be more?
• 1:15:14
  I think that's solid. Like, one thing I've noticed is
• 1:15:16
  the world will always change around you and you have to
• 1:15:19
  adapt. But if your heart is in the
• 1:15:23
  right place, I feel like that adapting process is very easy.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, I agree. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:30
  Like, for instance, if you take like the gender, the whole
• 1:15:33
  gender pronouns thing, I get a bit like, I'm not gonna lie, I
• 1:15:37
  get a bit confused sometimes. But if someone turns around to
• 1:15:40
  me and says, can you just use this?
• 1:15:42
  I'm like, yeah, sure. And that that's it.
• 1:15:44
  It's not really a big deal if you just kind of like show
• 1:15:47
  respect and just be honest. I never list mine.
• 1:15:51
  And I feel like it's because it's an area that I know very
• 1:15:56
  little. About I'm not.
• 1:15:59
  Affiliated with it in any way that's not, that's not me saying
• 1:16:02
  I'm opposed to it, but like it's not talking about me and
• 1:16:05
  therefore I feel very strange. Giving my opinion on something.
• 1:16:10
  Which doesn't affect me at all. And like, for me to put like he
• 1:16:16
  him on my profiles, I feel would be kind of virtue signaling,
• 1:16:19
  because it's nothing that I involves me and I feel like it
• 1:16:25
  would be not. Maybe not virtue signal, but I
• 1:16:27
  feel it would be slightly disingenuous of me to start
• 1:16:29
  doing that because I'm just not educated enough.
• 1:16:32
  Do you not feel that? Maybe It might show that you're
• 1:16:34
  in support of this thing, you know that.
• 1:16:38
  You I. Understand that.
• 1:16:40
  What is the support of a straight, white male to someone
• 1:16:44
  like that? Do you know what I mean?
• 1:16:45
  Like, well, I mean, it's it's, it's so do I have.
• 1:16:48
  It shows that you take the whole concept seriously.
• 1:16:51
  I do. I I think I do.
• 1:16:53
  But I just don't want it to come across as like I don't know what
• 1:16:57
  the fuck I'm talking about in that regard.
• 1:16:59
  I'm not educated in that. I'm not.
• 1:17:02
  It's just. But then people might say, well,
• 1:17:04
  why don't you educate yourself? And I I have a conversation.
• 1:17:07
  With a trans individual, which you know I do on regular basis,
• 1:17:11
  you know that is me learning and educating myself.
• 1:17:15
  But I'm also I just. I don't know, I feel.
• 1:17:18
  Like in the same way it's not for.
• 1:17:21
  Me as. A white male to go I can.
• 1:17:25
  I can stand up for racism, stand up against racism.
• 1:17:29
  But I can't. Is it really for me to be out
• 1:17:31
  there saying? Telling people, what's more, I'm
• 1:17:34
  not the one affected by it. It's for the people that are
• 1:17:36
  feeling the negative shit. To say this is how I want
• 1:17:39
  society to change. It's not for me to say how I
• 1:17:41
  want society to change in that regard because I'm not feeling
• 1:17:44
  it. I don't understand it.
• 1:17:45
  I don't. I can't have that full grasp of
• 1:17:48
  the situation because it's not happening to me.
• 1:17:51
  I can only be told I can't. I can't experience it and
• 1:17:55
  therefore is it completely genuine of me.
• 1:18:00
  To go out and tell other people how to amend.
• 1:18:02
  Their behavior in that. Regard, I don't know.
• 1:18:05
  I'm asking the question maybe it is, maybe that is that is
• 1:18:08
  something that I need to do as a person.
• 1:18:10
  And you know if any, if any of your viewers want to comment on
• 1:18:14
  this and let me know because I genuinely don't know my place in
• 1:18:17
  the world on this one. I actually I've checked my
• 1:18:20
  stats. So fun fact in I don't know on
• 1:18:24
  YouTube but I do know my audio listeners about because 8 or 9%
• 1:18:29
  of my listeners are non binary which I found very very
• 1:18:32
  interesting Hello and I I don't know like I think with this.
• 1:18:40
  Like, I've I've come across this every now and again, and I've
• 1:18:42
  had some interesting conversations over the years,
• 1:18:44
  and I think the biggest thing I've kind of learned is just
• 1:18:49
  kind of try to show your. Support for things.
• 1:18:52
  Do you try to educate yourself with things?
• 1:18:54
  I I get some of where you're coming from.
• 1:18:56
  Like, I I think that like, you know, I'm not going to sit here
• 1:19:00
  and and ever pretend to be like an authority on these things.
• 1:19:03
  Like I'm just learning like yourself.
• 1:19:05
  But I think it does help. But I'll give you an example,
• 1:19:08
  right. When I do live streams,
• 1:19:11
  occasionally you get people come in and they said like, hey do
• 1:19:14
  you support trans? Do you what are your pronouns?
• 1:19:18
  Etcetera. And I just, I just say what it
• 1:19:21
  is. You know, I just go like to him
• 1:19:24
  and yes I do. And you know, and I found that
• 1:19:29
  that's been quite positive. I found that there's been people
• 1:19:33
  who've kind of found, I suppose my live streams as as being like
• 1:19:37
  a like a safe place. So, so I think that like
• 1:19:41
  especially because you know, you've got community as well and
• 1:19:43
  I don't doubt that there's probably people in your
• 1:19:45
  community that are non binary and would kind of appreciate
• 1:19:50
  that from you. But I do also understand that,
• 1:19:52
  like, that doesn't mean that like, suddenly you just change
• 1:19:57
  everything up and like, you know, become an expert on this.
• 1:19:59
  It's like, I suppose it's you do the necessary education and you
• 1:20:05
  always just kind of keep your ears and eyes open and you just
• 1:20:09
  do your best, don't it? I mean, I had.
• 1:20:10
  I actually had one of my trans viewers reach out to me.
• 1:20:13
  This last year and they asked if I could make a a trans version
• 1:20:19
  of the term hatchling which is what I call my subscribers and I
• 1:20:24
  just said no, I'm not going to do that because at current point
• 1:20:28
  hatchling doesn't mean male or female hatchling is completely
• 1:20:33
  inclusive. It doesn't matter what you are
• 1:20:36
  you you are a hatchling. You don't even have to be human
• 1:20:39
  to be a hatchling. You could be entirely different
• 1:20:42
  species. You could be a chicken.
• 1:20:43
  You could be chicken to the hatchling empire.
• 1:20:45
  And I was like, I don't want to create barriers, I I want that
• 1:20:50
  to be a completely all inclusive.
• 1:20:52
  Thing and I think my stance on all of these things in the in
• 1:20:54
  the world at the moment is do what makes you happy.
• 1:20:59
  I have no issue with anyone doing anything that makes them
• 1:21:02
  happy as long as it's not hurting anyone else.
• 1:21:05
  And what I would really stress is if you think it's hurting
• 1:21:08
  you, like if you think someone identifying as the other sex is
• 1:21:11
  hurting you or you think that someone loving the same sex is
• 1:21:15
  hurting you, it's time to reevaluate.
• 1:21:18
  Because how is that really hurting you?
• 1:21:21
  What's that? It's like I was telling a friend
• 1:21:23
  knew anything I was. Telling a friend this the other
• 1:21:25
  day like I worked in this place and.
• 1:21:27
  We had someone join our team who was trans, so they used to
• 1:21:35
  identify as a girl and now they identify as a boy and like my
• 1:21:40
  manager at the time, just kind of pulled me aside and said,
• 1:21:42
  hey, just so you know, they go by these pronouns.
• 1:21:46
  Okay. And I'm like, Yep.
• 1:21:47
  And that was kind of it. And I.
• 1:21:49
  Remember, there was someone on my team who was like sort of
• 1:21:51
  struggling with that. And I was like, well, you know,
• 1:21:54
  what's the problem? And they were like, well, you
• 1:21:56
  know, like I see a girl when I look at them and I'm like, okay,
• 1:22:00
  but is it really that hard to just switch?
• 1:22:02
  You're going to make mistakes. Don't go wrong.
• 1:22:03
  I make mistakes. Like you just a broad new
• 1:22:06
  landscape, isn't that you know, you just correct yourself like I
• 1:22:09
  always think back to that old. Super old episode of Star Trek
• 1:22:14
  DS9 or something I think it was and see Star Trek's always way
• 1:22:19
  ahead of this shit. So there was a character who I
• 1:22:23
  guess was non non binary or like they have this this thing where
• 1:22:27
  there's a species. This this is like really nerdy
• 1:22:31
  because Symbia species where the the, the there's like a.
• 1:22:38
  Host and. Then the the actual Organism.
• 1:22:56
  Etcetera. So the Organism obviously gets
• 1:22:43
  different hosts. So in one life they are male,
• 1:22:46
  they might have a male host and they have a female host.
• 1:22:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 1:22:53
  Except that the host is is like different.
• 1:22:57
  So this Klingon meets this character called Cozon Dax.
• 1:23:02
  I think that that was the name of the character at the time and
• 1:23:05
  they'd previously met this character as a male and they
• 1:23:08
  were like, oh, it's my good friend and they and they they he
• 1:23:14
  he calls Dax by their former name.
• 1:23:18
  And so then, Dax then says Oh well.
• 1:23:21
  Now it's Cozon Dax and he's just like, he stops for a second and
• 1:23:25
  he goes. It's my friend Like what
• 1:23:29
  embraces them with the new name and it's like that's a perfect
• 1:23:33
  example of just like how easy it is.
• 1:23:35
  Yeah, you know, just that done it is, I think, I think it's a
• 1:23:41
  very tricky topic in the sense of what I was saying previously
• 1:23:48
  about what you divided. There's too much attacking.
• 1:23:53
  Just sit if you. Have really like anti trans
• 1:23:57
  views. Sit down with a trans person for
• 1:23:59
  an hour and just have a conversation.
• 1:24:01
  Don't with each other. Don't shout each other.
• 1:24:04
  The problem with that specific. Viewpoint is that like those
• 1:24:10
  people are not willing to to have those kind of conversations
• 1:24:13
  and that's the problem, right? But that I don't know that
• 1:24:17
  that's specific. Yeah.
• 1:24:19
  Well, yeah. OK.
• 1:24:20
  So that overarching point. But you're always going to get
• 1:24:22
  people like that in society, of course.
• 1:24:25
  You know, there's always going to be people at the fringe who
• 1:24:28
  just kind of have extreme views or whatever and there's just no
• 1:24:31
  getting through to them. I mean, all you can really do is
• 1:24:34
  just keep trying to educate people and keep trying to just
• 1:24:38
  to have that open dialogue and and welcome people as well.
• 1:24:41
  And I never push people away and just be like you ever want to
• 1:24:44
  talk. We can talk, but we are always
• 1:24:47
  going to have that divide, as you say, if we can improve that
• 1:24:50
  by just 1%, absolutely just 1% more.
• 1:24:55
  Think how much hate is eliminated from that.
• 1:24:58
  It makes an impact, man. It's it's a little thing of like
• 1:25:01
  the the beat of a butterfly's wings and crazy, you know, it
• 1:25:05
  creates a tornado halfway across the world.
• 1:25:08
  The the little actions we can have, I think as a species, by
• 1:25:12
  sitting down with each other and having that conversation, even
• 1:25:14
  if it's only a tiny amount that goes on just somewhat, slightly
• 1:25:18
  improves the world we live in. This is why, because I remember
• 1:25:22
  a. Few years ago someone criticized
• 1:25:26
  me for being a fencer and for not taking stands on certain
• 1:25:30
  things, and it comes from my fear of confrontation.
• 1:25:34
  I hate confrontation and I still like my way of functioning is
• 1:25:40
  no. If we're going to have a
• 1:25:41
  disagreement. We're going to sit down and talk
• 1:25:43
  about it. You know, I will wait until
• 1:25:46
  you're not angry anymore and then we can talk about it.
• 1:25:47
  I'm not going to have a fight. That's not how I work and I
• 1:25:52
  refuse to be a part of that, but I do understand people being
• 1:25:58
  angry at like you. You do have to take a stand on
• 1:26:00
  things. Sometimes you have to take a
• 1:26:02
  stand. And so that's something I've
• 1:26:04
  been attempting to do more and more.
• 1:26:07
  I don't actively get involved in the fight.
• 1:26:10
  You know, I avoid things like politics and religion as much as
• 1:26:14
  I can because, you know, it's it's beliefs.
• 1:26:18
  It's. I try to focus on.
• 1:26:22
  Like myself and and I'm just. Putting out something positive
• 1:26:25
  to the world? Yeah, like those are your
• 1:26:27
  beliefs. These are mine.
• 1:26:28
  Yeah, like we don't have to agree on them.
• 1:26:30
  That's right. I'm exactly the same, but
• 1:26:32
  sometimes. There are certain beliefs that
• 1:26:34
  people have that like. I feel like as a society we can
• 1:26:38
  all kind of agree or wrong, like for example racism, like you
• 1:26:41
  know, it's it just doesn't make sense.
• 1:26:42
  There's no room for it. But there's there's always going
• 1:26:45
  to be those people that that just don't get it and you, I
• 1:26:48
  think. You do kind of have to take a
• 1:26:50
  stand on those things. I mean, this is just my personal
• 1:26:53
  opinion. No, I agree.
• 1:26:54
  I agree you know, but one thing I think should be stressed is.
• 1:26:58
  In this new age that we live in of much more mental health
• 1:27:03
  awareness, Get in there. Don't put yourself in the firing
• 1:27:11
  line. Not saying that you shouldn't at
• 1:27:14
  all. Like at all.
• 1:27:15
  Like if you I know there are things you should stand for, but
• 1:27:19
  do not let your own mental health go to shit because you
• 1:27:23
  are constantly putting yourself in the firing line of fighting
• 1:27:26
  someone else's cause. You matter.
• 1:27:27
  You're important. You need to look after yourself
• 1:27:30
  or you're no use help fighting any cause whatsoever.
• 1:27:34
  I'm I'm the same at that time. I I kind.
• 1:27:36
  Of quietly support things. You know, like I that'll even
• 1:27:42
  mean. Donations or or sharing things
• 1:27:45
  or, you know, like you won't really hear me come out and make
• 1:27:49
  like big compassion speeches. And unless I really like the
• 1:27:51
  last time I did, I think might have been a stream while I was
• 1:27:57
  talking. About trans rights.
• 1:27:59
  Because someone in the comments was just pissing me off and I
• 1:28:01
  was like, look, listen, I support this, get over it like
• 1:28:04
  this is, this is how it is. But there was another time.
• 1:28:09
  During, you know, everything that went down in 2020, I was
• 1:28:14
  doing a different show back then.
• 1:28:16
  Yeah, very short lived show and there was an episode where we
• 1:28:19
  spoke about this and we all kind of impassioned that spoke about
• 1:28:23
  it there from the heart and it was as difficult conversation.
• 1:28:30
  But I was like, this is the right thing to do, you know?
• 1:28:33
  I feel like not talking about it would almost.
• 1:28:36
  Be like. Bizarre and I'm like I don't
• 1:28:39
  know it's it's I always just kind of like do what I can and
• 1:28:44
  and just let let the universe. Decide what's wrong.
• 1:28:49
  You know I don't. Know I completely get what you
• 1:28:52
  mean, and I implore the people that that can really go out
• 1:28:55
  there and passionately fight for this stuff.
• 1:28:59
  But like I said, man, like you. Can't fight for anything if
• 1:29:06
  you're not right yourself, you. Can't give a 100 if you're only
• 1:29:08
  given 95, do you know what I mean?
• 1:29:11
  So you've got to look out for yourself.
• 1:29:13
  So if I understand, there's a lot of pressure on from both
• 1:29:17
  sides, on on everything in life at the moment to to state your
• 1:29:22
  case. Or if you're not with me, you're
• 1:29:24
  against me or that kind of thing.
• 1:29:26
  Don't worry too much about what strangers on the Internet have
• 1:29:30
  to say when they're arguing with each other.
• 1:29:31
  Make sure you put yourself first.
• 1:29:33
  Make sure you are your number one priority.
• 1:29:35
  And if you've got the strength to fight and go out and fight,
• 1:29:38
  but not physically, Guys don't get into any violent spats.
• 1:29:41
  We don't want that. Don't fight for what you believe
• 1:29:43
  in, but if you don't have the mental capacity to do that, if
• 1:29:46
  it's going to cause you harm, take a step back.
• 1:29:49
  Take a more reserved approach. You see, it happens to a lot of
• 1:29:52
  people now. A lot of people impassionately
• 1:29:54
  fight for this stuff online and eventually they just get to a
• 1:29:56
  state where they just they're just angry all the.
• 1:30:01
  Because all they're doing every day is fighting and arguing and
• 1:30:05
  it just, it's no good for the soul.
• 1:30:06
  Man. You need to again what I keep
• 1:30:08
  what I said at the beginning. It's about what brings us
• 1:30:12
  together and it's not about what separates us.
• 1:30:15
  Beautiful, beautiful sentiment to end it on, I think.
• 1:30:19
  Final question is always any upcoming projects or final
• 1:30:22
  thoughts you want to? Well, you know, I will always
• 1:30:26
  say I have content in the works. Will ever come out?
• 1:30:29
  Who knows? I am planning on trying to get
• 1:30:31
  something sorted. There is of course Sonic
• 1:30:35
  Superstars coming this year. I'm going to be reviewing that
• 1:30:39
  on the channel. I really need to get around to
• 1:30:42
  reviewing Sonic Prime seasons 1:00 and 2:00.
• 1:30:44
  So I am going to try and cook that up soon.
• 1:30:47
  If you're going to game shows towards the end of this year, if
• 1:30:51
  you're going to e.g. X, MCM, Comic Con or Paris Games
• 1:30:55
  Week, I will definitely be at e.g.
• 1:30:57
  X and Paris Games Week. I might be at Comic Con.
• 1:30:59
  We're going to try and get in through Sega, so please come and
• 1:31:02
  say hello and the Sega boots if you're around.
• 1:31:04
  I genuinely love meeting people from the Internet and just so
• 1:31:08
  cause that's how dodgy. I just generally love meeting
• 1:31:10
  you by people that interact with the content and stuff like that
• 1:31:13
  and trying some of that stuff. So come say hey and yeah, and
• 1:31:18
  nothing else to really. Are you talking about yet?
• 1:31:23
  How do you feel? Good man.
• 1:31:27
  Good. Good.
• 1:31:28
  I'm glad, man. Thank you so much for coming
• 1:31:30
  back on the show, man. Always a pleasure to having me,
• 1:31:33
  honestly. I love coming on the show.
• 1:31:35
  It's brilliant. It doesn't really feel like a
• 1:31:38
  show at one point, do you know what I mean?
• 1:31:39
  It just feels like we're having a conversation and just like
• 1:31:42
  having a good old catch up. So I love it.
• 1:31:44
  That's that's that's kind of like I've said this before, but
• 1:31:47
  that's. That's, that's the aim.
• 1:31:48
  That's the goal mostly. And obviously every time it's
• 1:31:50
  going to be different. Obviously we know each other in
• 1:31:52
  real life and you know, so there's that element.
• 1:31:56
  But it's like, yeah, I don't know there's, I think the
• 1:32:01
  interesting thing with this show is it's got a lot of faces, if
• 1:32:05
  that makes sense. So, so it's it's about human
• 1:32:08
  interest stories? It's about interviews,
• 1:32:11
  discussions. It's about pretty heavy topics,
• 1:32:14
  fun topics. But then it's also like catching
• 1:32:17
  up with people, like checking in with people you know.
• 1:32:21
  There's there's a lot of elements to it.
• 1:32:23
  And you know, sometimes I'd go along the deep, deep dives on
• 1:32:26
  certain topics for people and stuff.
• 1:32:28
  And I don't know, I I kind of just take every.
• 1:32:31
  Day as it comes with this. Show and I let it kind of
• 1:32:34
  breathe it, so Nah. But I think at first and
• 1:32:36
  foremost it will always be discussions, conversations.
• 1:32:40
  Like you said, it's a time capsule.
• 1:32:42
  Yeah, really is one of the. Things I love most about like
• 1:32:45
  I'll a year from now I'll probably see the the old clips
• 1:32:50
  come off from this on the on the feeds and I'll be like yo yeah
• 1:32:53
  should we get together should do another one And you know what's
• 1:32:56
  mad? I so I always share.
• 1:32:59
  Old episodes like the, you know, on my Instagram, like on this
• 1:33:03
  day, like it's to promote, obviously, but also it's nice
• 1:33:06
  because I'm sitting there and I'm like.
• 1:33:08
  I forgot this conversation even happened.
• 1:33:10
  Yeah, you know, because one thing, just Full disclosure, I
• 1:33:12
  never go back and listen. I just don't.
• 1:33:15
  So I there's, yeah, there's conversations I've completely
• 1:33:17
  forgotten about. People I've forgotten about.
• 1:33:19
  I know how that sounds. Not like I've forgotten them.
• 1:33:21
  Like you are 200 episodes, you are allowed to not remember
• 1:33:25
  every conversation. I'll look back and I'll and I'll
• 1:33:28
  remind myself. Oh yeah, this person.
• 1:33:30
  And we had this conversation and they did this, you know, and
• 1:33:33
  it's it's, it's just. It's pretty special.
• 1:33:36
  I feel very grateful to get to do this.
• 1:33:38
  No mate. Honestly the what you've been
• 1:33:40
  doing with it is amazing. Thank you.
• 1:33:42
  I genuinely love seeing the clips pop up.
• 1:33:46
  And yeah, it's just, I'm very proud of you man.
• 1:33:49
  It's great to see you doing this and pursuing your dreams.
• 1:33:53
  And honestly it's so lovely to see and even looking at where
• 1:33:57
  your content was to where it is now as well and watching just
• 1:34:02
  how it's upscaled each year just goes up in quality, like
• 1:34:06
  production quality, everything. It's obviously it's it's
• 1:34:09
  fantastic to watch and I really do love following your journey
• 1:34:12
  and it's why you know as long as you'll have me, I'll always come
• 1:34:14
  back on. You're always welcome.
• 1:34:16
  You always I think. I think we should make.
• 1:34:18
  A thing as well that you always at least return once, once a
• 1:34:21
  year, like I agree have to every time.
• 1:34:25
  Yeah, awesome. Well, thank you so much for your
• 1:34:27
  time as always, man. And until the next time, Take
• 1:34:30
  care my friend, and Take care Christian.
• 1:34:32
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• 1:35:03
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• 1:35:09
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• 1:35:11
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• 1:35:16
  see you in the next one.