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SHOCKING Truth About Strongman Culture, Worlds Prep & Staying Informed Without Losing Your Peace With Chad Coy · The Best Experience

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. One of the questions I got today,
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Speaker 2: it has more to do with, you know, people's faith
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that and kind of like spiritually and
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Speaker 2: you know, whether or not they should watch the the
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Speaker 2: US news because of all the war footage and all
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Speaker 2: the people dying and stuff like that, and the war
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and they feel the war is tragic,
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Speaker 2: which it is with so many casualties, and don't understand
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Speaker 2: why people have to fight. We all pray for peace
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Speaker 2: everywhere all the time. Nobody wants for We also feel
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Speaker 2: very sad as well. But what kind of mindset you
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Speaker 2: have facing this and the mindset you kind of want
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Speaker 2: to have facing this is you need to know what's
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Speaker 2: going on, because not knowing what's going on in the
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Speaker 2: rest of the planet or around you is just not
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Speaker 2: a good thing. Even if the news is not good,
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Speaker 2: even if it's depressing and sad and like a waste
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Speaker 2: of life and stuff like that, you still need to
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Speaker 2: know what's going on. You just have to understand. It's
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Speaker 2: just not something that you're going to push for or
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Speaker 2: push forward for you you're going to do everything to
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Speaker 2: pray for peace and have people, you know, not fight
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Speaker 2: and do things like that. And yeah, you can standing
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Speaker 2: why people fight, but they do. People there's greed, there's
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Speaker 2: you know, bad things in the world, and people want
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Speaker 2: what others have and stuff like that. It's just not right.
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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you have to
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Speaker 2: know what's going on around you. So you're not surprised
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Speaker 2: if something does go you know or it comes near you,
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Speaker 2: you know what's going on. So it's always good to
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Speaker 2: stay informed, but try not to let it affect you
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Speaker 2: that much.
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Speaker 1: So just and I agree with that, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, cause that's one of those main issues, like
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Speaker 1: even that it's better to be informed than uninformed, because
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Speaker 1: then you can't make an intelligent decision on what you're
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Speaker 1: choosing to watch and what you're choosing to accepted your life.
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Speaker 1: So that's one of those main rights. It's like you
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Speaker 1: need to have a perspective on things so you can
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Speaker 1: actually have an informed opinion and not just be one
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Speaker 1: of these people who are just like I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I don't see, I don't care. It's like no, because
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Speaker 1: that does nobody need.
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Speaker 2: And I know it's going to be sad, and I
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Speaker 2: know it hurts, like enter and your inner feelings and
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Speaker 2: stuff like that. It's not good. It's it's never good.
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Speaker 2: But if you don't know what's going on and it
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Speaker 2: starts heading your way, you want to be able to
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Speaker 2: protect yourself, your family and you know what's going on.
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Speaker 2: So it's it's always good to know about things, just
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Speaker 2: don't let them affect your daily lives other than you know,
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Speaker 2: making situations where maybe don't support the companies that support it,
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Speaker 2: that type of thing. But anyway, the next is in
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Speaker 2: competitive sports, you need to defeat your opponents in order
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Speaker 2: to win. I thought we had this one last week.
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Speaker 2: But in the strong man community, people often share their
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Speaker 2: experiences and support for each other. Yeah, Chad and I
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Speaker 2: do that all the big time, right, Ted, Well.
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Speaker 3: I think you know you want to win, but I
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Speaker 3: think the number one thing for me is when I
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Speaker 3: go out there, or even my athletes go out there,
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Speaker 3: So just do your best, you know, let me you
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Speaker 3: train for it, leave your leave your performance on the field,
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Speaker 3: and however it lies, it last. And it's like, you know,
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Speaker 3: if I'm competing at someone, yeah, I want to win.
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Speaker 3: Trust me, I'm the most competitive person out there.
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Speaker 2: I want to win.
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Speaker 3: But if you win, it's like I'm happy for you.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how many times I've lost, and then happy.
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Speaker 2: For the guy who won. Yeah, but if I need
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Speaker 2: my knee wraps wrapped, You'll wrap my knee wraps for me, right,
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Speaker 2: And I'll do the same for you. Yeah. But that's
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Speaker 2: that's kind of what they're trying to get at is
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Speaker 2: the stormy and community is very almost like a family culture.
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Speaker 3: You know, where it's definitely different.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll all help each other. We want to
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Speaker 2: see we want to win, of course, but we'll all
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Speaker 2: help people reach their best. And that's kind of kind
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Speaker 2: of like so if you need something for me, or
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Speaker 2: you need me to lift your straps or whatever, or
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Speaker 2: lend you my wrist traps, which I've done that to
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Speaker 2: people before, you know, giving them too, like Big Z
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Speaker 2: and Eddie and a few other people at times. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's it's just part of the community because back in
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Speaker 2: the day there's nobody to help us. So we get
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Speaker 2: to a contest and you need help getting ready for them.
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Speaker 2: We had to lean on each other, and the older
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Speaker 2: guys like me and Chad and quite a few other
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Speaker 2: ones will we try to We tried to instill that
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Speaker 2: in the younger guys. So it's it's a neat community.
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Speaker 2: It really is. Because you know, when when.
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Speaker 3: You look at I think what makes strong Man so
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Speaker 3: unique as far as the sport does, is because everyone
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Speaker 3: wants the other guys to do well, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, I can think about it right playing football,
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Speaker 3: you looked across them. You didn't want those guys doing well,
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Speaker 3: Like strong Man's difference, you want to do well. It's
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Speaker 3: like I remember losing the North Americans to John Anderson,
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Speaker 3: and I don't know who was more happy him for
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Speaker 3: winning or me that I was just so exsited that
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Speaker 3: he just won this big show. I mean, I mean,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, you just look at those
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Speaker 3: and you're just so excited because your friend and they
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Speaker 3: did well, and it's like, yeah, you lost, but still
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Speaker 3: they want And I think that's I think that's the
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Speaker 3: driving thing, is that I want you to do well
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Speaker 3: because I want to beat you on your best day,
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Speaker 3: not when you pull a Leon Lett and drop the
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Speaker 3: ball and someone else scoops and scores. I've won that
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Speaker 3: way a few guys, and I don't mind. I'll take
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Speaker 3: the wind, but you know, I want to beat you
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Speaker 3: on your best and I think that's what everyone means.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's what makes the sport truly awesome,
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Speaker 3: is because everyone's very supportive of each other.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty neat like that. You
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Speaker 2: get a couple guys of beasts at each other every
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Speaker 2: once in a while, but for the most part, almost
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Speaker 2: all the guys like each other. There's two I can
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Speaker 2: think about.
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Speaker 3: There's a few assholes, but there's not that many.
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's just face it.
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Speaker 3: I mean again, you and I've been through this for
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Speaker 3: thirty plus years. I've seen you guys come and go.
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Speaker 3: This current group of guys, there's a few knuckleheads, but
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Speaker 3: I think for the most part, they're all real down
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Speaker 3: to earth or nice. They're good human beings, you know.
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Speaker 3: But there's always a jerk or two in the bunch.
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Speaker 3: So I can't let the whole bushel.
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Speaker 2: No, that's true. But how many guys do you think
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Speaker 2: you helped get to the pro level and get to
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Speaker 2: the world.
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Speaker 3: To get to the world or level pro level? Thirty
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Speaker 3: four thirty four and between men and one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. If you don't know, it was Chad's contest.
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Speaker 2: I it was my third contest ever, and I went
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Speaker 2: there and I got second by a point, and me
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Speaker 2: and the guy that won beat all the pros that
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Speaker 2: were in the contest. I'm like, am I pro? He's like, no,
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Speaker 2: you gotta win. So go to bands meeting a month
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Speaker 2: You'll you'll do really well. Went to fans meeting, I
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Speaker 2: won and got my pro carder. But it was his encouragement,
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Speaker 2: you know, that really got me going and got me
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Speaker 2: to where I needed to be. Without his guidance, I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't have made it. So thanks Chad.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you'd have made it a might I
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Speaker 3: have taken a little bit longer, but I think just
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Speaker 3: the push in the right directions all you needed, you know,
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Speaker 3: and you had. You had such a great base coming
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Speaker 3: from from from drug free power thing. I think that's
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Speaker 3: just what people don't realize. Like everyone thinks you just
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Speaker 3: showed up one day and you were great. It's like, no, man,
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Speaker 3: they've been trained for twenty plus years, you know, it's
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Speaker 3: like already. And then when you when you take that
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Speaker 3: training and where you're at and then you switch gears
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Speaker 3: into a different sport. I mean, there's a huge difference
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Speaker 3: between power off Thing and strong Man. And I think
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Speaker 3: when you fully committed to strong Man, it was like
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Speaker 3: you were so damned athletic. I mean, I think that's
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Speaker 3: what I mean again, if you look at what makes
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Speaker 3: the best strong mass the athletes, and you come. You
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Speaker 3: played ball, you played you played d line. You could
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Speaker 3: obviously move, you know, you move really well, very quick
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Speaker 3: you know, and that that bodes well for any type
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Speaker 3: of moving or loading event and strong man and then
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Speaker 3: and then you look at you. You could squat bench
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Speaker 3: and deadlift, that's for sure. I mean, it just took
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Speaker 3: your time to iron out the overhead press and not
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Speaker 3: passing out and then you were off to the races.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, but it was neat and it's neat to
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Speaker 2: see how you have helped people over the years and
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Speaker 2: do that and get in and succeed. And now you're
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Speaker 2: still you're training. How many of the guys that are
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Speaker 2: at Worlds this year? How many the guys are you helping?
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Speaker 3: Only it's only gonna be one when Trey is going
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Speaker 3: to get there.
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Speaker 2: I don't think.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Thomas should have gotten an invite, but you know,
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Speaker 3: he didn't get the invite. There's four left, and then
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Speaker 3: he strained us hit a little bit of a tweaked
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Speaker 3: injury at the Arnold, So I'm not sure exactly what's
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Speaker 3: going on there. I mean, he's had the MRI, so
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Speaker 3: he's had it all looked at and all that's good.
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Speaker 3: It's just a matter will he get the invite the Worlds?
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Speaker 3: And if he does, will he take it right? You know,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of guys that I've helped there. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think his bombs like this, and I think it's
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Speaker 3: because I coach for a living. It's like coaching is
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Speaker 3: just part of what I do. So yeah, someone going
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Speaker 3: to help him. That's just what you do. That's the
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Speaker 3: I think that's the beauty of the sport itself. And
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Speaker 3: then you know, coaching in the sport, I just want
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Speaker 3: to see everyone do really well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you tell everybody who you coach with?
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Speaker 3: Well, Trey Mitchell's wanted you guys.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the other organization that you work for.
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Speaker 3: Oh the presets speech to Well sorry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that too. And yes, your trade Mitchell the.
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Speaker 3: Business development for the prec Speed School.
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Speaker 2: So I help.
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Speaker 3: I helped gym owners learn how to make money.
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Speaker 2: It really is what it comes out to.
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Speaker 3: So like you know, you look at this, you look
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Speaker 3: at I own a gym. You know how many people
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Speaker 3: when they open a gym, how of them had business
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Speaker 3: business knowledge? They come from a business background. I know,
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Speaker 3: I did my divisionment extray science and nutrition, you know,
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Speaker 3: so I've got lots of education, but it's not in business.
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Speaker 3: So I had to learn the business the hard way.
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Speaker 3: And the nice thing about PREC it's all systemized, so
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Speaker 3: everything's done systematically for you, so it's very easy to follow.
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Speaker 3: And that's that's what makes I think, that's what makes
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Speaker 3: it successful. And then if you look from youth sports performance,
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Speaker 3: when I came into it was a three billion dollar industry.
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Speaker 3: Last year we spent United States spent fifty billion dollars
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Speaker 3: training kids. By twenty thirty five, it'll be one hundred
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Speaker 3: and fifty billion dollars. So if you're not training kids,
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Speaker 3: you're you're losing money. And and the thing is it
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Speaker 3: takes us spect so type of person you gottait kids.
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Speaker 3: I actually like children. I have been training for a
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Speaker 3: long time, so it's really easy. But if you want
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Speaker 3: to come in this industry but you don't like kids,
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Speaker 3: well this is probably not the industry for you. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: no kidding, But that's that's that's my that's my real job.
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Speaker 2: That's my day job. M Yeah. And then of course
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Speaker 2: working with Trey and Tom Tom a little bit too
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Speaker 2: as well. And then you know a few others. We
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Speaker 2: used to bounce stuff off you all the time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got guys in Siberian Muscle Power, this weekend.
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Speaker 3: Villius is already there, unfortunately because it's in Siberia and
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Speaker 3: there's Russia and Iran and all the stuff that's going on.
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Speaker 3: But you talked about earlier, a lot of the visas
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Speaker 3: got screwed up, so a lot of the American guys
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Speaker 3: didn't even get to make it. So ah, so that
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Speaker 3: kind of sucks. But that's the that's the next big one,
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Speaker 3: and then you know, I just actually I just judged
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Speaker 3: the show this last weekend with Magnus and Ilia here
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Speaker 3: in Detroit and had we had a great time. Cool,
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Speaker 3: you know, just there's there's a big season coming up,
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Speaker 3: so the North Americans are coming, so it's gonna be good.
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Speaker 3: Worlds is driving around the corner, so we're looking forward
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Speaker 3: to the Worlds and I think it's gonna it's gonna
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Speaker 3: be pretty exciting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be fun. That's that's really good. Myrtle
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Speaker 2: Beach is a good place for Worlds too. I had
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Speaker 2: a good time last time we were there.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's a it's nice
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Speaker 3: because the weather's decent, and there's stuff to do. The
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Speaker 3: food's awesome, and there's some good gym. So we'll get
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Speaker 3: some good gym time. Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's a
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Speaker 3: little bit different this year than it was the last
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Speaker 3: time we're there because now it's down to that fort.
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Speaker 3: Now it's it's it's it's literally it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
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Speaker 2: So it's like before it spread out over the entire weeks.
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Speaker 2: So it's a little bit better.
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Speaker 3: Trying to kill these guys they're trying to Honestly, you
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Speaker 3: bought dude to come on. Bottom line, it's all about money.
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Speaker 3: You're saving the money. It used to be that you
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Speaker 3: Floyd got flu guys out. There was a whole week
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Speaker 3: qualifying and there's we were there for ten days. You know,
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Speaker 3: you got to relax, You got to see some sights.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you want it wasn't just a bam bam
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Speaker 3: getting it out, you know, like when you're in South Africa,
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Speaker 3: you have to you got to go see you went
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Speaker 3: on so far, you went and did stuff and now
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Speaker 3: it's like now it's just like you're in and your out. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and you know it would it's like, really, when you're
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Speaker 3: going to shove in ten events in four days, well,
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Speaker 3: I guess it's ten events in four days. I guess
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Speaker 3: it's better than eight events in two days, like the smoke.
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Speaker 3: But you know, it's just a it's a it's a long,
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Speaker 3: it's just tough. I mean, it's just I think it's.
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Speaker 2: Just Actually I would rather do eight events in two days.
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Speaker 3: I would rather do events two days than ten events
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Speaker 3: and four because it's like you're just strung out tired.
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Speaker 3: I mean the most events that was nine events in
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Speaker 3: three days, and I was just like, dude, by the
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Speaker 3: time you got that third day and you've done them
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Speaker 3: six max effort events, you're just you're smoke. And so
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Speaker 3: the Liva comes out of these guys. I think who's
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Speaker 3: gonna win as the person who's in about shape and conditions.
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Speaker 3: Condition gonna be huge. And if you're not conditioned and
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Speaker 3: in the weather, you know, some of these guys doing
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Speaker 3: from like more northern climates, they're in for a root awakening.
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Speaker 2: Oh when they get out there and it's hot and humid, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be nasty. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Trey's doing a train camp with Andrew Burton and Androtti
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Speaker 3: and Guardiana I believe the first weekend in April, so
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Speaker 3: they're in Texas as hot as balls anyways, So.
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Speaker 2: They'll they'll be ready for it.
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Speaker 3: Some of the other guys are doing training camps, but
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Speaker 3: they're doing it in their home place and it's you know,
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Speaker 3: it's still forty degrees out, so that's not going to transfer.
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Speaker 2: Well nothing, Yeah, yeah, I think one thing those guys
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Speaker 2: do need to do is take some rubber mats out
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Speaker 2: into the street when they go to do deadlift and
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Speaker 2: deadlift out in the street, on the rubber mats in
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Speaker 2: the in the sunnit. Yeah, and go do that same
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Speaker 2: thing with the log the street.
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Speaker 3: We used to do, Like we were just laughing as
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Speaker 3: we were talking about I was talking to my wife
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Speaker 3: about this, Like the PSL Masters is going to be
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Speaker 3: in August.
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Speaker 2: It's like we used to do.
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Speaker 3: We used to do America's Arms Man, it was always
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Speaker 3: in August in Saint Louis. You want to talk about
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Speaker 3: you want to talk about nasty And it's funny because
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Speaker 3: we used to train for it. We used to add
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Speaker 3: a radiant heater in the in the training hall. So
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Speaker 3: the night before we because we always trained early in
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Speaker 3: the morning, so I would go the night before, leave work,
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Speaker 3: go to the gym, put in two ten gallon buckets
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Speaker 3: of water, turn the radiant heat on. So we walk
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Speaker 3: in it's ninety eight degrees and ninety eight percent of humanting.
16:23
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you get them to Nationals and
16:25
Speaker 3: was like, how do you handle this ship? Say, dude,
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Speaker 3: I train in it. I trained it in morningst ninety eighties,
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Speaker 3: n eight degrees. You're dying. But you know, if you
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Speaker 3: train it, you're going to be fine when it comes
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Speaker 3: to it. And I never I never had an issue
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Speaker 3: in the heat.
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Speaker 2: Back then.
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Speaker 3: I mean now I'm an old sissy. I was training
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Speaker 3: an air conditioned buildings. It was awesome.
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Speaker 2: I think that's awesome. It's live uh in Indiana in
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Yeah, and won that show. I won that
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Speaker 2: show because I was able to handle the heat. Probably
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Speaker 2: that was probably better than everybody else.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a and that was a brutalize show because
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Speaker 3: I mean Indiana's Indiana summer sucked, man, because we we
17:08
Speaker 3: always because when you did the Central, I mean, hell,
17:11
Speaker 3: we were downtown on the square. But it's still hot
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Speaker 3: and ship. It's still ninety the worst year we ever held.
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Speaker 3: I think in nineteen you did and a lot of
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Speaker 3: people did. The ninety eight year. We were down at
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Speaker 3: the park and there was no end. Oh my god,
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Speaker 3: it was many had rained the night before. It was
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Speaker 3: just it was like steaming. It was.
17:34
Speaker 2: It was horrible.
17:34
Speaker 3: We had guys dropping out left and right, just cramping
17:38
Speaker 3: just from cramps and ships.
17:39
Speaker 2: It was just it's like training a vegetable steamer. Yeah,
17:46
Speaker 2: that's the way I can figure it. That's about right.
17:48
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's good to see you, old man. It
17:53
Speaker 2: is always we don't get us.
17:55
Speaker 3: We don't get it, get her, get it around that
17:56
Speaker 3: much as much as we'd like to an mm hmmm.
18:00
Speaker 2: They're that whole wopping two days older than me.
18:02
Speaker 3: I know. It was like forty though forty years. I
18:09
Speaker 3: don't have as much food. I don't have as much
18:11
Speaker 3: gray in my beard though.
18:13
Speaker 1: No, no, I think I have the most amount of gray.
18:16
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, my family's premature. Everyone's premature gray, so
18:21
Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately too, like.
18:25
Speaker 3: All the men in my family by the time there
18:27
Speaker 3: seventy are white haired. So I know what's coming.
18:30
Speaker 2: I don't know.
18:30
Speaker 3: I've held on to a lot of it, so it's
18:32
Speaker 3: not real, but it's much more than me. I gotta
18:37
Speaker 3: keep it tight. And the only reason I'm growing this
18:38
Speaker 3: is because I read this study. It was like, people
18:42
Speaker 3: buy from people who have beards. So I more a
18:46
Speaker 3: beard to last year's some and I sold for affiliates,
18:48
Speaker 3: so I've got more more leads coming this year. So
18:50
Speaker 3: I grew a beard out. So I'm going to test
18:52
Speaker 3: that hypespothesis. If I sell eight, then I'm going to
18:55
Speaker 3: keep the beard. You know, well eat the beer until
18:59
Speaker 3: I at home and my wife tells me to shave it.
19:01
Speaker 1: So I got the exact opposite. I shaved my beard
19:06
Speaker 1: once and she's I'll never do that again.
19:09
Speaker 2: No, he was just trying to. You know who's funny
19:14
Speaker 2: without a beard is Eddie Hall. He looks like, oh
19:19
Speaker 2: my god, Oh no, he looked. He looks like, uh,
19:22
Speaker 2: what's his name, Stewie. Yes, it looks like he does.
19:25
Speaker 2: He does. I remember Scuny. It was two thousand two.
19:36
Speaker 3: Maybe we had done any g n C show of
19:40
Speaker 3: strength down in New Orleans and he had shaved his beards. Like, dude,
19:44
Speaker 3: don't ever do that again, because he looked like he
19:45
Speaker 3: was twelve years old. Yeah, it's terrible, but it's funny.
19:50
Speaker 3: It was terrible, but at the same time, yeah, I
19:52
Speaker 3: think one time Trey shape I got, you should shave
19:54
Speaker 3: your beard. And shades like, oh, did you should.
19:56
Speaker 1: I remember that?
19:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should remember about don't do that again, don't
20:01
Speaker 2: do that? Grow that shit back. Yeah, exactly. That's funny
20:08
Speaker 2: for people who don't know. Chad has probably done more
20:11
Speaker 2: straw Man contest than probably anybody in the history of
20:14
Speaker 2: straw man. I can't really think of too many more
20:16
Speaker 2: people who have done more than Chad.
20:18
Speaker 3: I can tell you, so Drena's definitely has probably double
20:22
Speaker 3: because we had a long talk about that at.
20:23
Speaker 2: Worlds one year.
20:26
Speaker 3: Donovan Raskin out of Texas, He's done probably ten more
20:30
Speaker 3: shows me and I think maybe Johnny was Seka. Other
20:33
Speaker 3: than that, Johnny did a lot of Johnny did a
20:35
Speaker 3: lot of shows. Now I think he did some amateur shows,
20:39
Speaker 3: and I know Donovan did a lot of amateur shows.
20:41
Speaker 3: The majority of mine were always at the pro level
20:45
Speaker 3: or the old old guy pro level. It became massives. Yeah,
20:49
Speaker 3: what's fun. But I've done a lot of shows.
20:53
Speaker 2: I've just been around a lot, you know.
20:55
Speaker 3: I think the years the two years I did the
20:57
Speaker 3: most I did, Like, I did forty three shows in
21:00
Speaker 3: two years, just because I had a sponsor that paid
21:02
Speaker 3: all the money. So if there was a show that
21:04
Speaker 3: had something I wanted to do. I just flew out
21:05
Speaker 3: and did it. But I gained a lot of experience.
21:08
Speaker 3: That was a great and I got to see the
21:10
Speaker 3: world and travel and I had a lot of fun
21:14
Speaker 3: on other people's with dimes. So can complain that's good stuff. Yeah,
21:19
Speaker 3: well you see that, go ahead.
21:23
Speaker 1: Oh I was saying, you know what's saying that that
21:25
Speaker 1: that many shows of uh, you know, the Mitchell Hooper
21:28
Speaker 1: and Junis were getting a lot of compotation back in
21:31
Speaker 1: You know, Mitchell Hooper was talking about his achievements, ex
21:33
Speaker 1: accolades and then drewnists. You know, I'm not saying he
21:36
Speaker 1: shipped it on him, but he was like, you know,
21:38
Speaker 1: you got quite like his wall of metals and trophies
21:43
Speaker 1: that he showed.
21:44
Speaker 3: I was like, you can't.
21:46
Speaker 2: I'm sorry some of them.
21:48
Speaker 3: We can sit here and have debates all over the place,
21:52
Speaker 3: but you look at these eras and you look at
21:54
Speaker 3: the greatest of all time or the greatest of the era,
21:58
Speaker 3: as Joe Ken would call it. Yeah, you know, I
22:02
Speaker 3: think it's hard to dispute. I mean, someone say just like,
22:05
Speaker 3: you know, I'm friends with Brian, friends of all these guys.
22:07
Speaker 3: Like if someone asked me, who's the best definitively, But
22:11
Speaker 3: that's that's the dreams. You can't even argue it. I mean,
22:14
Speaker 3: the dude had if the World Championships, he's had World
22:16
Speaker 3: strungus man, he's he's won the Arnolds. I mean, look
22:21
Speaker 3: at how many shows of the dude's done it. I
22:22
Speaker 3: mean he's done over three hundred contests, you know, and.
22:27
Speaker 2: He's over over three days.
22:30
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to think he was competing in
22:32
Speaker 3: the early two thousands, the tens, the twenties, and I
22:36
Speaker 3: think he might have done a show before the turn
22:38
Speaker 3: of the century because he was not that old. Because
22:41
Speaker 3: I think he did probably he did his first Worlds.
22:44
Speaker 3: I want to say, in like ninety seven in Vegas.
22:48
Speaker 2: Well, I know he was powerlifting too, No, he was, No,
22:54
Speaker 2: he was there.
22:55
Speaker 3: In Vegas in ninety seven because he dropped the stone
22:57
Speaker 3: on his chest. I remember that because he was going
23:00
Speaker 3: to load to atlastone and fell and just crushes around
23:04
Speaker 3: his chest. He just stands back up.
23:05
Speaker 2: And just keeps on loading. That was amazing. It's amazing.
23:09
Speaker 3: And then I just think, I'm trying to think it's
23:13
Speaker 3: got to be like ninety eight, ninety seven. Wait when
23:17
Speaker 3: was when was prim Prim was ninety seven? Ninety eight
23:19
Speaker 3: was Morocco?
23:21
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm?
23:22
Speaker 3: Where was ninety nine at.
23:26
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That was in Europe?
23:27
Speaker 3: Somewhere was in It was the island though, right off
23:35
Speaker 3: of Italy, Malta, Malta.
23:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, that's wild. That's a long time to
23:46
Speaker 2: be to be doing strong Man. That's a long time.
23:50
Speaker 2: But then Felix has last a long time. But that's that's.
23:53
Speaker 3: Felix came in later though, but he didn't have he
23:56
Speaker 3: has nothing compared. I mean, I don't think there's any
23:58
Speaker 3: more who's competing on longer or more than.
24:01
Speaker 2: Hard you know.
24:03
Speaker 3: And the thing is, like, you know, say what you want,
24:06
Speaker 3: and I know a lot of guys are like what,
24:07
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna do the Master's because that's just gay,
24:09
Speaker 3: because you know, you're not a pro and you're just
24:11
Speaker 3: old guys. And like, you know what, it takes a
24:14
Speaker 3: lot of balls to go out there in your forties
24:16
Speaker 3: and compete in your fifties and compete your sixties, compete
24:18
Speaker 3: and look at where's the dreams at? I mean, how
24:20
Speaker 3: many how many how many forty plus world sons?
24:23
Speaker 2: Mans?
24:23
Speaker 3: Do you have? How many fifty plus world sonsmans you have.
24:25
Speaker 3: I mean, the dude's competed over for decades. I mean
24:29
Speaker 3: I just don't think you can you look at that
24:32
Speaker 3: and it's like and then not to mention that he's.
24:34
Speaker 2: Just it's just a great dude. He's just a great dude.
24:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can see he's.
24:38
Speaker 2: Done the most for strong Man.
24:41
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, now I think we can argue there
24:43
Speaker 3: that's that's is that Eddie? Is that Hofthor is that
24:46
Speaker 3: Brian Shaw? I mean, here's Hooper doing his thing? Is
24:51
Speaker 3: he is he helping or hurting.
24:54
Speaker 2: Strong You know? In some ways he's hoping an awful lot,
24:59
Speaker 2: but some ways it's gonna be interesting to see how
25:02
Speaker 2: this falls. With the enhanced games and stuff.
25:04
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna change a damn thing.
25:07
Speaker 2: You know.
25:07
Speaker 3: They can see her go, well now they're enhanced. Yeah,
25:09
Speaker 3: they were enhanced before, dude. Now they're just under a
25:11
Speaker 3: dontric division, you know. And he released that whole I'm
25:16
Speaker 3: sorry he released that cycle that he said he did.
25:18
Speaker 3: It was like, who the hell is taking a gram
25:21
Speaker 3: of orals fucking week?
25:25
Speaker 2: Yeah?
25:25
Speaker 3: I mean, if you are, wow, I mean all I
25:29
Speaker 3: know is my kid, my my liver and kidneys are
25:31
Speaker 3: crying right now just thinking about But I'm just sitting
25:33
Speaker 3: there thinking of androla day and fifty milligrams.
25:37
Speaker 2: How oh my god, I don't know.
25:40
Speaker 3: That's a lot.
25:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty toxic as well. And there I don't know.
25:46
Speaker 3: I mean again, everyone can do. I'm like this, I
25:51
Speaker 3: don't really, I don't care. Do whatever you choose to do.
25:55
Speaker 3: I mean again, I chose to go drug free for
25:57
Speaker 3: the longest time. I mean I did my entire open
26:01
Speaker 3: career drug free. You know, it was my choice. Did
26:05
Speaker 3: I cry about it? No, I said this is what
26:07
Speaker 3: I'm going to do, and I did it. People didn't
26:09
Speaker 3: like it. I didn't give a fuck what they liked
26:10
Speaker 3: or disliked, you know. I went out and did my thing,
26:13
Speaker 3: and I've done it the whole time, the way I
26:14
Speaker 3: want to do it.
26:15
Speaker 2: That's it.
26:16
Speaker 3: I mean, if that's what Hooper wants to do or
26:17
Speaker 3: anyone else will do. If you ask me, I go, dude,
26:20
Speaker 3: I don't care if I'm coaching it, Just be honest
26:22
Speaker 3: with me. That's the only thing. I can be honest,
26:25
Speaker 3: you know. And if you're honest and we can will
26:26
Speaker 3: work around.
26:27
Speaker 2: Shit, you know what. And if yeah, you got to know.
26:32
Speaker 3: And the thing is like, I'm the first person to say, look, dude,
26:36
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert in this field, but I know
26:38
Speaker 3: a lot of people who are. So I'm going to
26:39
Speaker 3: refer you to someone who knows it better than me.
26:42
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's the best thing. Any any
26:44
Speaker 3: coach worth is salt would be. Okay, this is my forte.
26:49
Speaker 3: This is what I'm good at. This is my wheelhouse.
26:50
Speaker 3: Someone's outside my wheelhouse. I turn it out.
26:54
Speaker 2: You know.
26:54
Speaker 3: Now, I have a degree in nutrition, I am certified
26:57
Speaker 3: the nutrition. I've done a year ofthan I've done an
27:00
Speaker 3: internship with Nathan, I've worked with John Heck. I know
27:03
Speaker 3: nutrition and I'm pretty good at it. I just don't
27:07
Speaker 3: like working with people on it because they lie and
27:09
Speaker 3: it pisses me off and then we hurts our relationship.
27:12
Speaker 3: So I refer people to them, because you know, John
27:16
Speaker 3: Heck is way nicer than I am. Nathan Payton way
27:19
Speaker 3: nice to me. You're fucking up your nutrition and I'm
27:21
Speaker 3: doing it. I'm gonna tell you listen to your laws.
27:24
Speaker 2: Eater.
27:25
Speaker 3: You know what, you should have lost a pound of fats.
27:27
Speaker 3: It's a simple mathematical equation. It's only thirty five hour calories.
27:30
Speaker 3: But you haven't, so you're what you're telling me is
27:33
Speaker 3: you're not following the plan and you're going off off plan.
27:36
Speaker 3: Oh no, I do everything bullshit. I'll just call it
27:38
Speaker 3: on you. You know, those guys are nicer than I am,
27:41
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't do that. I just don't get a ship.
27:43
Speaker 2: You know what. Listen won't Chad won't pull any punches
27:47
Speaker 2: if you'll tell you what you think.
27:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, Candy it up for everybody. And
27:51
Speaker 1: that's what I always liked about Jack because he shoots
27:53
Speaker 1: it straight from the hip.
27:55
Speaker 3: If is there any other way? Why would I blow
27:57
Speaker 3: sunshine up your skirt? And there's no point in it.
28:00
Speaker 3: And the point is that, you know, I want my
28:01
Speaker 3: athletes to do the best they possibly can, you know what,
28:05
Speaker 3: And I'm willing to say, Look, I'm not the guy
28:07
Speaker 3: for this project here, Let's find you the right person.
28:11
Speaker 3: I mean, I will say this or I've been very
28:14
Speaker 3: blessed to get mentored and coached by so many great coaches,
28:18
Speaker 3: but spending the last three years with Joe Kenney again,
28:22
Speaker 3: here's Joe ken two time n CUAA Strength Coach of
28:25
Speaker 3: the Year, one time NFL Strength Coach of the Year.
28:27
Speaker 3: The dude's done more physical preparation than anybody I know.
28:30
Speaker 3: You know, So just getting getting having Joe coach me
28:35
Speaker 3: as my coach, and then getting to coach with him,
28:39
Speaker 3: I mean I kind of feel back because I feel
28:41
Speaker 3: like I'm the guy bringing the least to the table.
28:43
Speaker 3: But you know, like I know the strong man stuff,
28:46
Speaker 3: So I answered some of those questions. But I've learned
28:48
Speaker 3: so much from him just on physical preparation on top
28:50
Speaker 3: of what I've already know. I mean, hell, you look
28:52
Speaker 3: at my body of work. I got more, I got
28:55
Speaker 3: more money tied up in it. Hell, I've got probably
28:58
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars to my education in the last
29:01
Speaker 3: thirty years because I spend money every year on more
29:04
Speaker 3: education because I want to be a better coach. But
29:06
Speaker 3: part of being a better coach is I understand that
29:08
Speaker 3: I can't be the best at everything. I can be
29:10
Speaker 3: the best at what I do, and there's other people
29:13
Speaker 3: that I farm it out to. So I mean, there's
29:15
Speaker 3: guys that do the psychological side, there's guys that do
29:17
Speaker 3: the nutrition side, of the drug side. There's just so
29:20
Speaker 3: much stuff there that you can't be good at all
29:24
Speaker 3: of it, you know, And I think if you if
29:27
Speaker 3: one thing and I I talk to a lot of
29:31
Speaker 3: coaches like you, we're all. I think they're all all
29:33
Speaker 3: really good coaches are the same and want the best
29:36
Speaker 3: for their athletes, and they're willing to listen to anyone.
29:39
Speaker 3: You've got something, let me hear it. I mean, Nick,
29:41
Speaker 3: you and I have talked so much about training. It's
29:43
Speaker 3: like it's like we picked stuff up, and it's like,
29:45
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not proud. I'm a I'm a I'm
29:49
Speaker 3: a I'll stag, borrow and steel whatever I can. It's
29:53
Speaker 3: going to make it better. I mean, I think these
29:55
Speaker 3: g Kundo is the best thing for martial arts because
29:57
Speaker 3: he took this from this art and that from that art,
30:00
Speaker 3: made it one art of his that was a fact.
30:02
Speaker 1: The first mixed martial art.
30:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Kindo was the first mixed mart art.
30:07
Speaker 3: So I look at strong Man. I stole a lot
30:10
Speaker 3: of stuff from doctor Leisner and then the West Side guys.
30:15
Speaker 2: Man.
30:15
Speaker 3: I don't know how many phone calls I've had to
30:18
Speaker 3: talk to Louis. When I first opened the gym, I
30:22
Speaker 3: was probably calling. I mean, I'm sure I was the
30:24
Speaker 3: annoying kid because I remember his wife fans Louie.
30:27
Speaker 2: It's this kid.
30:27
Speaker 3: It's that kid from Cocoma again, Chad. He wants to
30:30
Speaker 3: master you on the question. So like you know, but
30:34
Speaker 3: that's what you should always be seeking knowledge and always
30:37
Speaker 3: trying to become better.
30:39
Speaker 2: Mm hm oh agreed. Yeah, it's interesting because, uh, I
30:44
Speaker 2: got this kid named Justin who's coming here. He's seventeen,
30:49
Speaker 2: and he's got it. He has it, you know. He's
30:54
Speaker 2: he's about five ten, five eleven, maybe even almost six foot,
30:58
Speaker 2: and he's just you know, that desire you see in
31:03
Speaker 2: somebody when they came in and they're literally willing to
31:05
Speaker 2: work till they puke. They want to be there so bad.
31:10
Speaker 2: They're the heart. I think the hardest thing with him
31:14
Speaker 2: is teaching him patience and then teaching him not every
31:17
Speaker 2: workout you have to hit a pr in. You just
31:19
Speaker 2: sometimes you just need to go and put the work in.
31:22
Speaker 2: You know, today, for instance, he came in and we
31:25
Speaker 2: trained this morning at like six o'clock in the morning,
31:28
Speaker 2: and he had a decent bench day. It wasn't great,
31:32
Speaker 2: wasn't bad. And then he just he was probably about
31:36
Speaker 2: between five and ten percent off and he's all getting
31:40
Speaker 2: mad I'm making okay. He's like, well, I just I'm
31:43
Speaker 2: working hard and this and that. I go, yeah, but
31:45
Speaker 2: you're not going backwards. You just it's called training for
31:48
Speaker 2: a reason. You're putting in the work. You're off a
31:51
Speaker 2: little bit today. Take what your body has today. Learn
31:53
Speaker 2: to read your body and know what you have on
31:55
Speaker 2: that given day and make the best of it. You
31:58
Speaker 2: don't have to hit a PR every time and go
32:00
Speaker 2: work out. It's the consistency over years that's going to
32:03
Speaker 2: keep the gains coming and keep you moving ahead without
32:06
Speaker 2: getting injured.
32:08
Speaker 3: So just we're mitigating, we're really mitigating injury and mitigating
32:12
Speaker 3: and maximizing progression. I think too many people get so
32:15
Speaker 3: we live in a Western society where we cross context,
32:18
Speaker 3: economics to everything. So more's better, and more is better,
32:21
Speaker 3: and more is better. No, the right amounts the right amount,
32:24
Speaker 3: and anymore than that you can't recover. And I think
32:27
Speaker 3: that's and again I look at this, especially watching preps
32:30
Speaker 3: going in for these big shows and these guys pulling.
32:33
Speaker 3: You know, I pulled a massive PR two weeks from
32:36
Speaker 3: the contest, and then you ship to beat contest. Well,
32:39
Speaker 3: it's because you train too heavy, too close. You know,
32:42
Speaker 3: and I think when people realize that, like your training
32:44
Speaker 3: is to build strength, competing is to demonstrate strength.
32:48
Speaker 2: Now, if you're demonstrating.
32:49
Speaker 3: Prs in the gym all the time, what happens when
32:51
Speaker 3: at the contest and there's a lot of big names
32:53
Speaker 3: out there that talk a lot of shit before a contest,
32:56
Speaker 3: and then you know, I'm just thinking, I'm like this train,
33:01
Speaker 3: show up, leave it there. Whatever's going to happen is
33:04
Speaker 3: going to happen, you know. Now, Honestly, before the Arnolds,
33:07
Speaker 3: I could have told you definitively we're gonna pull well
33:09
Speaker 3: over one thousand pounds based on the training. Now we
33:13
Speaker 3: get to the Arnolds twenty six minutes from warm up,
33:15
Speaker 3: from last warm up to first pull, thirty two minutes
33:18
Speaker 3: from first pool to second pool. Whose fault was that
33:21
Speaker 3: Trey's fault? That's my fault. That was my fault. I
33:24
Speaker 3: should have warned you mout better. I should have better
33:26
Speaker 3: picked a better attempt. You know, that was all on me.
33:29
Speaker 3: So I as a coach, you got to own that.
33:31
Speaker 3: It's like and the thing is like, what like I
33:32
Speaker 3: had sit there before the year before when watch Hoffwer
33:35
Speaker 3: pulled the same do the same thing, because he did,
33:38
Speaker 3: and he didn't pull that big load because why because
33:40
Speaker 3: he sit there for too freaking long. I should have
33:43
Speaker 3: that's in my notes, I mean, because I take notes.
33:45
Speaker 3: I give my self notes after I mean, I grade
33:47
Speaker 3: myself after a contest. What could I have done better?
33:51
Speaker 3: You know, COOLO could try.
33:52
Speaker 2: How many times you, guys heard me tell you to
33:54
Speaker 2: write stuff down? And now you're listening to another guy
33:57
Speaker 2: who's really smart ton you to write stuff down?
34:00
Speaker 3: I mean, guys, honestly, I got this is a training
34:03
Speaker 3: journal from Elite Fts. I write every I literally write
34:08
Speaker 3: everything down. I write every workout down.
34:10
Speaker 2: Now.
34:10
Speaker 3: Granted I have access to training apps, and shit, I
34:14
Speaker 3: hate I use them for my clients. For myself, I'm
34:18
Speaker 3: an old pen and paper guy, you know, I just remember.
34:22
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure you remember Tommy Kono. Most people
34:25
Speaker 3: learn who Tommy kno is. I'm a great Olympic one
34:28
Speaker 3: of the best Olympic lifters in this country. But Tommy
34:30
Speaker 3: kna was once quoted like the faintest of pen is
34:35
Speaker 3: better than the sharpest of memory, you know, And that
34:38
Speaker 3: stuck with me, and I was told to keep a
34:40
Speaker 3: journal when I went to the gym in nineteen eighty
34:46
Speaker 3: I was told to keep a journal. Now, my mom
34:48
Speaker 3: took me to a knowledge gym, so I got a
34:51
Speaker 3: thing that they would hand you and you right fill
34:54
Speaker 3: out all your workouts. So I filled those out, and
34:56
Speaker 3: then I got a notebook, and I started putting everything
34:59
Speaker 3: in a notebook so I would have it. It wasn't
35:02
Speaker 3: stuck at the gym.
35:02
Speaker 2: I would have it.
35:03
Speaker 3: I can kick it home and read notes on it.
35:04
Speaker 3: And I laugh.
35:06
Speaker 2: When I went through my divorce and all that.
35:08
Speaker 3: Stuff was at my mom's house in twenty sixteen, I
35:12
Speaker 3: decided I was going to clean sweep it. And I
35:14
Speaker 3: took every trainer and pitched them. That was probably the
35:19
Speaker 3: hardest thing I've ever done.
35:20
Speaker 2: In my life.
35:20
Speaker 3: I just I just wanted to clean slate now since then,
35:23
Speaker 3: I mean that was twenty sixteen.
35:24
Speaker 2: So now I've got ten years with the journals.
35:27
Speaker 3: I will have forty plus years with joermals by throw away.
35:30
Speaker 3: You know, but why write it down? Because you can
35:33
Speaker 3: keep notes, you can tell yourself, keep stories in there.
35:37
Speaker 3: You can you know, hey, I invented a new movement today.
35:40
Speaker 3: You know something I'd never done before, So you can
35:42
Speaker 3: write that in there, and you can you can. I
35:45
Speaker 3: think you're you're I call it the lab, like what you're.
35:48
Speaker 2: Going to trains? Now, I'm going to lab. What's the lab?
35:50
Speaker 3: My body's said? So everything I do with the gym
35:53
Speaker 3: was I'm the laboratory you're at. So if I wouldn't
35:55
Speaker 3: try it on someone else, I try it on myself.
35:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the walking experiment, which is something else I
36:01
Speaker 2: tell people all the time. You do your own research
36:03
Speaker 2: on you find it work works best for you because
36:06
Speaker 2: you're not me. I mean are saying that we're all different.
36:12
Speaker 3: I think we're all within it. We're all within this percentage.
36:15
Speaker 3: But it's like what works for you and what works
36:17
Speaker 3: for me and what works for someone else. There's a
36:20
Speaker 3: lot of different ways to the top of the mountain.
36:23
Speaker 3: You know, can sit here, We can sit here and
36:24
Speaker 3: we can debate that is it five times five Pabbles
36:28
Speaker 3: five times? Or is that red Park? Or we can
36:30
Speaker 3: sit here and talk about the conjugate method and Louis
36:34
Speaker 3: Louis stole that from the Russians, right or the Eastern Block, Okay, whatever,
36:39
Speaker 3: you know. I look at like this, find a system
36:41
Speaker 3: that works, and just keep doing it. Now, the thing is,
36:44
Speaker 3: if you find a system that works, and you like it,
36:46
Speaker 3: do it. If you hate your training, you're.
36:49
Speaker 2: Not going to do it. So just fucking up, you know.
36:53
Speaker 2: And it's fine, fine works.
36:55
Speaker 3: Find what works and then and then just stick with
36:57
Speaker 3: it and refine it and make it yours. I mean,
37:00
Speaker 3: it's funny because someone asked me how do you train?
37:02
Speaker 3: I train every client based upon what their needs are,
37:06
Speaker 3: not what I think is everyone on a on a
37:09
Speaker 3: conjugate program. No, No, I've got some people who are
37:13
Speaker 3: still on straight ass linear progression. Why because it's still working.
37:17
Speaker 3: If it's working, don't let me to fix it, you know.
37:20
Speaker 3: Now do I like technology? I finally got Trey using
37:25
Speaker 3: a velocity based training. So we use to rep one
37:28
Speaker 3: to time his speed of his reps. What's that data
37:32
Speaker 3: given us? Has given us better points of Like if
37:34
Speaker 3: we can keep get his speed up, he's gonna do that.
37:37
Speaker 3: That's going to transfer over being stronger, you know. So
37:40
Speaker 3: like if you've watched Trey's deadlift or all the same
37:42
Speaker 3: speed wall he pulls one thirty five or nine thirty five,
37:45
Speaker 3: it looks the same. Now we're really trying to work
37:48
Speaker 3: on pulling with maximum violence, you know. And I think
37:52
Speaker 3: once he starts to learn that I think the intention
37:55
Speaker 3: of his lifts are gonna be different. So in essence,
37:59
Speaker 3: I think he can be the first person to pull
38:01
Speaker 3: five hundred kilo dead with no suit, But it will
38:04
Speaker 3: all be based It will all be based around can
38:06
Speaker 3: we keep the velocity of the bar moving, because that's
38:10
Speaker 3: what's going to teach his cns to be able to
38:13
Speaker 3: pull five hundred kilos raw. Now, can we slap him
38:17
Speaker 3: in the suit. He's got a suit. We got a
38:18
Speaker 3: suit last year at World, So could we stick him
38:21
Speaker 3: in a suit? Possibly? Problem is he trains by himself,
38:24
Speaker 3: so you know how hard it is to get a
38:25
Speaker 3: damn deadlift suit by yourself. It's like, yeah, yeah, that's horrible.
38:29
Speaker 2: Well he could also just put it on and pull
38:31
Speaker 2: it on, use it as a half suit. Yeah, you
38:34
Speaker 2: can use it, use the lower half of it.
38:37
Speaker 3: But when you talk to suit so you don't like
38:40
Speaker 3: putting suits, you know.
38:43
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just it would not hurt him to train
38:48
Speaker 2: in at least the bottoms for a little while. Hey, dude,
38:52
Speaker 2: to check him.
38:54
Speaker 3: Look, look he's still and yeah, and he's not supposed
38:56
Speaker 3: to have gravy with every meal.
38:57
Speaker 2: But he does. Yeah what gravy?
39:02
Speaker 3: Gravy well, Carol ratted him mouth. So I asked, Nathan,
39:06
Speaker 3: I said, a big ticket for a reason. You know,
39:08
Speaker 3: you know trace he puts gravy on. So he goes, well, chat,
39:11
Speaker 3: you you're not from Texas. You don't realize that gravy
39:15
Speaker 3: is anabolic. Like, so all right, that's Carol. Carol kind
39:23
Speaker 3: of ratting about. And he likes his gravy.
39:24
Speaker 2: He likes his sweet So yeah, you just got to
39:29
Speaker 2: figure that into his calories. You know what, Nathan does.
39:32
Speaker 2: Hell of a job.
39:33
Speaker 3: If you saw him these three sevens of abs Ian Yeah,
39:37
Speaker 3: and his waist, his waste is ridiculously like his back
39:41
Speaker 3: is so wide, but his waste is so small. It
39:43
Speaker 3: just doesn't look it looks like it looks like a cartoon.
39:47
Speaker 2: Nathan's smart. Nathan's really smart. He saved my tail in
39:53
Speaker 2: at the Shaw last year. He really did. Because I've
39:56
Speaker 2: been on my feet for three days. I hadn't eaten
39:59
Speaker 2: much that day. I was not ready to go. And
40:02
Speaker 2: he came over and he's like, let me check you.
40:03
Speaker 2: And I'm like, does he pricks my finger? He's like, oh, well,
40:06
Speaker 2: you're ready to go read a book? Yeah? Not ready
40:09
Speaker 2: to go lift And so he got he got like
40:13
Speaker 2: a bunch of you know, dextros and stuff like that
40:16
Speaker 2: into me, and I started feeling real better and went
40:19
Speaker 2: out and hit that squat and I was like, all right,
40:21
Speaker 2: well this is what I have for today. But I
40:23
Speaker 2: was happy with it.
40:24
Speaker 3: I mean I was, well, considering you're working three.
40:27
Speaker 1: Days on your feet, yeah, deed.
40:30
Speaker 3: And the thing is is what people realize and then
40:32
Speaker 3: people I always laugh at this because like when when
40:35
Speaker 3: Brian was doing the show, as he was the pro,
40:37
Speaker 3: well he's got he's got a significant advantage because it's
40:40
Speaker 3: his equipment, it's his show, and I'm like, people.
40:43
Speaker 2: Are so damn the disadvantage.
40:45
Speaker 3: He's been working his ass off for four months pulling
40:49
Speaker 3: this together, and then the last week it's like you
40:51
Speaker 3: can't get that guy to sit down, Brian, get off,
40:54
Speaker 3: get off the get off the loader. No, you know,
40:56
Speaker 3: he won't let anybody on that, you know, other than him,
40:58
Speaker 3: and he's he's cramped in, they're all bound up. It's
41:01
Speaker 3: like people thought that was in advanced. There's no fucking
41:03
Speaker 3: advantage there. And it's like if you've ever stood at
41:06
Speaker 3: that show and been on your feet, like I'm.
41:08
Speaker 2: Exhausted after that, making tested and ready to go.
41:13
Speaker 3: Because you're emotionally, you're invested in it, because you want
41:15
Speaker 3: the guys to you will. You got the stress of
41:17
Speaker 3: every fucking Internet Warrior challenge bitching about your calls, like, look, bro,
41:24
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm here for a reason and you're
41:27
Speaker 3: on the internet. Okay, I'm gonna giving this job and
41:30
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the job the best of my ability.
41:31
Speaker 3: And if you don't like my job, I don't give
41:33
Speaker 3: a ship. I don't answer to you. There's one guy
41:36
Speaker 3: that wrote here's the rules. His name's on the show,
41:38
Speaker 3: and that's that's what I'm doing. And if people don't
41:41
Speaker 3: like it, I don't care.
41:43
Speaker 2: It's don't Yeah, it's it's kind of an interesting thing
41:48
Speaker 2: being in that hot seat because I got to experience
41:50
Speaker 2: that this year at RST. Yeah. It's just like it's like, yeah, okay,
41:56
Speaker 2: well the rules say you got to get your hips through.
41:58
Speaker 2: Your hips aren't through. I'm so it's if your knees
42:01
Speaker 2: are slightly bent, your hips can't be through. So sorry,
42:05
Speaker 2: no lift. And I'm like, okay, well, I don't care
42:10
Speaker 2: who you are.
42:11
Speaker 3: It's not well, I'm here's the thing I always says
42:15
Speaker 3: to somebody, and I will you'll get a laugh on this, Nick.
42:18
Speaker 3: So I have to I judged the Sclum right right
42:21
Speaker 3: right around when you had your accident.
42:24
Speaker 2: Right.
42:25
Speaker 3: There's a two two judges, So these guys are over going.
42:28
Speaker 3: This paper isn't rock for who has to have me
42:31
Speaker 3: as a judge because I'm like, oh my god, the
42:36
Speaker 3: fuck is that all about it? Because the other judge
42:39
Speaker 3: is way easier than you, So we have to go.
42:41
Speaker 3: We just don't want you no fair way to do
42:43
Speaker 3: what the papers is right for which I thought that
42:46
Speaker 3: was kind of funny.
42:47
Speaker 2: But it's kind of funny.
42:49
Speaker 3: I think if you're if you're judging a show, and
42:52
Speaker 3: I always say this, if I got to judge your lift,
42:55
Speaker 3: you didn't do it right. So you see this in
42:57
Speaker 3: your judge on the back.
43:00
Speaker 2: You do the job right.
43:01
Speaker 3: I don't have to do anything. I don't make a judgment.
43:04
Speaker 3: Now if you make me make a judgment call, that's
43:07
Speaker 3: a different story. I'm sure you remember Janasha at that's
43:11
Speaker 3: shack and he complained about that. We went back above.
43:15
Speaker 3: Hey man, I can make a mistake. We all wouldn't
43:17
Speaker 3: looked at it. There's a no lift. We all agree,
43:22
Speaker 3: but it was there on paper, but it was there
43:24
Speaker 3: on a video so people could see it. But I
43:26
Speaker 3: think when people just have to understand, judges got to
43:29
Speaker 3: do their job. Now, some judges are better than others
43:33
Speaker 3: when people make more mistakes than others.
43:36
Speaker 2: You know, I look like this.
43:38
Speaker 3: I'm I can make mistakes. I do my best to
43:40
Speaker 3: not and if I do make a mistake, I'm willing to.
43:42
Speaker 2: Fix it, you know. But I don't know.
43:47
Speaker 3: We're starting to write rules in such a way like
43:49
Speaker 3: this year, you can't you can't challenge anyone else's lift.
43:53
Speaker 3: You can only challenge your own. That was that was
43:57
Speaker 3: a new rule to Arnold. So you know, guy has
44:01
Speaker 3: his thumb off the bar on the dead lift, I
44:04
Speaker 3: can't challenge it. He has to challenge his own call.
44:07
Speaker 3: Which very interesting there.
44:09
Speaker 1: But that's yeah, you know which, no one's judging themselves on.
44:12
Speaker 2: That, right. Yeah.
44:15
Speaker 3: And I will say this, I've seen some really bad judging.
44:19
Speaker 3: And if a judge gives a lifter a down call,
44:22
Speaker 3: it's not the lifter's fault. I was sorry. Look, I
44:25
Speaker 3: judge all my guys. My guys are like this, you
44:27
Speaker 3: better do it right. Do it like I'm sitting you, Nick,
44:31
Speaker 3: You would laugh at this because at the at the Arnolds, Like,
44:33
Speaker 3: we're backstage getting ready to warm up, Hey, would you
44:35
Speaker 3: mind judging my lift? Judge your fucking lift for you.
44:40
Speaker 3: It's a it's a warm up. Yeah, But I figure
44:42
Speaker 3: if you gave it to me back here, I'll get
44:44
Speaker 3: it when I go out there.
44:45
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's true.
44:48
Speaker 3: So I judge a ship, judge the shipload of lifts
44:51
Speaker 3: behind stage, and you know what, I don't know.
44:56
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just was taught what this is.
44:58
Speaker 1: How you do it.
44:58
Speaker 3: It's black or white, there's no sh age ray.
45:01
Speaker 2: You know. I did that a couple of times as
45:03
Speaker 2: to last year. I'd walk to the back before the
45:05
Speaker 2: log and there's some people back there and a couple
45:08
Speaker 2: of the girls are lifting, a couple of guys are lifting.
45:10
Speaker 2: I walk back and I'm like down. We're just like, oh,
45:15
Speaker 2: gotta be emotionally, you gotta have control of it. Yeah,
45:18
Speaker 2: I'm I gotta tell you down, just because you got
45:19
Speaker 2: to lock out. You need to get to lock out
45:21
Speaker 2: and have control of it. Once you get that, I'll
45:23
Speaker 2: give you down. And so I did that for a
45:24
Speaker 2: few people and they kind of like figured it out
45:26
Speaker 2: pretty fast. Yeah, it's it's kind of neat when you're judging,
45:29
Speaker 2: you got time to go back and do that for
45:31
Speaker 2: a hot minute. But a lot of times you don't
45:34
Speaker 2: get that opportunity. No, not when you're when you're judging, dude,
45:37
Speaker 2: you're such an thick of that. Like the big shows
45:40
Speaker 2: are just like, dude, you you got to keep you
45:42
Speaker 2: around at OSG's a little different.
45:45
Speaker 3: It's not like it's not like Worlds or the Schmoll
45:48
Speaker 3: or Arnold's. It's a lot different, but it's still a
45:51
Speaker 3: huge responsibility because those those people paid a lot of
45:54
Speaker 3: money to get there, and they're traveling there, and you
45:57
Speaker 3: should get a good they should get a good judge.
46:00
Speaker 3: I think it's important. I think it's important to do
46:02
Speaker 3: a good job. Yeah, And I think for the most part,
46:07
Speaker 3: judging is a thankless job, just going fucking and hear
46:11
Speaker 3: all about yourself.
46:12
Speaker 2: When I was pretty honored when I got asked to
46:14
Speaker 2: do the last day because there was only two of
46:16
Speaker 2: us on the last day and we did the whole thing.
46:18
Speaker 2: So I was pretty honored when they asked me to
46:20
Speaker 2: do that. That was pretty special to me. I felt
46:21
Speaker 2: pretty good about it.
46:23
Speaker 3: No, I mean I think and again I thought you
46:25
Speaker 3: did a good job. You know, there's just it's very
46:29
Speaker 3: it's it's it's objective, not subjective. I think that's the
46:32
Speaker 3: whole thing, as long as we as judges can be
46:35
Speaker 3: very objective about it, keep our personal opinions out of it.
46:41
Speaker 2: Well. And the funny thing is, I've said a few
46:43
Speaker 2: world records in my day, and I'll say this, there's
46:47
Speaker 2: nothing worse than getting a call that you shouldn't have
46:51
Speaker 2: and it's a world record. Yeah, because you take all
46:54
Speaker 2: the abuse for it. Not to judge, that's not right,
46:57
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, it's not my fault. I didn't
46:59
Speaker 2: judge myself. I just went and did the lift they
47:00
Speaker 2: told me down. I put it down.
47:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look at Worlds in twenty Worlds in twenty
47:05
Speaker 3: three on the Circus Dumbo, I would I wouldn't have
47:08
Speaker 3: given them a Dumbell pass two ninety okay. Yeah, and
47:12
Speaker 3: you know what, in retrospect, that's what everyone bitched about.
47:15
Speaker 3: So just I think you judge it. Just you judge
47:18
Speaker 3: it the same for everybody, and you make it tight.
47:21
Speaker 3: I will say that judging at the Arnolds this year
47:23
Speaker 3: I think was probably some of the better judging I've
47:25
Speaker 3: seen at the Arnolds. They did a really good job
47:28
Speaker 3: of rotating judges through. There was only I mean, I
47:32
Speaker 3: saw a few calls that I would on the pro
47:34
Speaker 3: stage that I would have you know, I wouldn't have
47:38
Speaker 3: given that one.
47:39
Speaker 2: But that's just me, you know.
47:41
Speaker 3: But I thought for the most part, I thought they
47:43
Speaker 3: did a really good job for both the men and women.
47:46
Speaker 3: The amateurs that's a whole different story, which I'm gonna
47:49
Speaker 3: go with the.
47:49
Speaker 2: Fifth Amendment on that one. Yeah, I can understand that
47:56
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah but oh man, well, Bud, we've been
48:02
Speaker 2: at it for about forty five minutes.
48:05
Speaker 3: So now are we doing the whole we get everything
48:09
Speaker 3: else ironed out for the for for April? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
48:17
Speaker 3: good well you guys, you guys got to we'll have
48:19
Speaker 3: to go to get the bad because you're gonna get
48:21
Speaker 3: the couch because you already had the whole crew. But
48:24
Speaker 3: but we've got plenty of rooms care.
48:27
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's cool.
48:28
Speaker 3: You know my ask gets up early in the morning anyway,
48:31
Speaker 3: so oh yeah, well you.
48:33
Speaker 1: Know we're all early warning people. Anyways, it's probably the
48:35
Speaker 1: younger ones.
48:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
48:38
Speaker 3: All the fucking old mass was like, we're fighting for
48:40
Speaker 3: a bathroom. Well, ben, hell are you.
48:47
Speaker 1: I'm forty three.
48:48
Speaker 2: I'll be forty four.
48:49
Speaker 3: God, you're a fucking baby. I'm wearing your ship.
48:52
Speaker 1: Well you know, it's the beard.
48:53
Speaker 2: It makes me look a little more distinct.
48:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got me, Joe and Nick and I are
48:58
Speaker 3: then that's the hell. That's it's close to one hundred
49:02
Speaker 3: and eighty years but human beings.
49:03
Speaker 2: Right there, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it was funny,
49:09
Speaker 2: kind of like the Giants Live in Indiana. That was
49:13
Speaker 2: the three oldest guys finished first, second, and third because
49:16
Speaker 2: I got first, Uh, Mark Felix got second, and then
49:21
Speaker 2: oh god, he's gonna kill me. I'm totally drawing a
49:24
Speaker 2: blake on his name. But he's from Indiana too. Derek Devon, Yeah,
49:29
Speaker 2: Derek Davon, d D. Double D's so double D was third,
49:33
Speaker 2: which was pretty funny.
49:34
Speaker 3: I don't think he was forty yet though, you you
49:38
Speaker 3: and Mars forties, but I think he was still in
49:41
Speaker 3: the thirties. I think it was thirty nine, thirty eighty
49:45
Speaker 3: thirty nine, he'll be that old. He was the third
49:49
Speaker 3: oldest guy in the show.
49:52
Speaker 2: Maybe he was, I don't know.
49:55
Speaker 3: Now I'm now I'm curious how that I'll shoot him
49:57
Speaker 3: a text and how fucking old are you? Man? I
50:01
Speaker 3: just remember, I remember he came up with Brandon Collins
50:06
Speaker 3: from Indy and just this big mut like you just
50:09
Speaker 3: look at him. He's just got huge hands. He played baseball,
50:12
Speaker 3: for Christ's sake. That's a big ass. That's a big
50:15
Speaker 3: ass first basement dude. Yeah, But like he comes in
50:21
Speaker 3: and those do you remember those old nasty tanks. I
50:25
Speaker 3: think they used him at Giants Live because I sold
50:28
Speaker 3: him with those big there's three hundred they were. I
50:30
Speaker 3: think they had him shaved down to three forty two
50:32
Speaker 3: for you guys. But when he had first made those
50:36
Speaker 3: there were three point fifty one per hand, and they
50:40
Speaker 3: were nine inches off the ground. And there's a seven
50:44
Speaker 3: hundred pounds fucking deadlift just to stand up with the fuckers.
50:46
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing is when Sconey made him, it
50:49
Speaker 3: took him about twenty seconds to stand up. And once
50:51
Speaker 3: he stood up with him, he could walk him as
50:52
Speaker 3: far as he wanted. Like I could stand him up,
50:54
Speaker 3: but I couldn't walk him back. I didn't walk him
50:56
Speaker 3: out far. But those those implements are pretty those were
50:59
Speaker 3: those are rough.
51:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked him. I could go fast. Well, I know.
51:05
Speaker 3: Probably I'm sure you won that. Yeah, but those those
51:08
Speaker 3: are those are some rough Those are some rough implements,
51:11
Speaker 3: and I think now they're they resided Nick nick worthm
51:15
Speaker 3: has a bunch of my old stuff.
51:17
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. So you looked at me.
51:19
Speaker 3: He's got the old power stars from Cocobo.
51:23
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's freaking amazing. It's funny because that contest,
51:27
Speaker 2: your contest that we did that year, I've found out
51:31
Speaker 2: I was really good at the farmers. Yeah. First, that
51:35
Speaker 2: was the first time I ever did them. Are you shaky?
51:37
Speaker 2: You're fast?
51:37
Speaker 3: So you smoke the whole group? Because I think was
51:40
Speaker 3: that a straight away that year? Was that two hundred.
51:43
Speaker 2: It was? I think it was one hundred feet straight away? Yeah,
51:46
Speaker 2: and I just slaughtered everybody's time. I was literally almost
51:49
Speaker 2: running with you.
51:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we I think we had switched to that
51:51
Speaker 3: was thirty meters yeah, three thirty a hand yeah, three thirty.
51:58
Speaker 3: Uh did you guys use the tanks or did you
52:01
Speaker 3: guys use implements? I can't remember.
52:05
Speaker 2: I think there were tanks.
52:07
Speaker 3: If there were tanks, we had two sets of three
52:09
Speaker 3: fifty one and we had a set of three O eights,
52:12
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I've so many, so many shows.
52:14
Speaker 3: We did one show with the three eighths into the
52:16
Speaker 3: three fifty ones.
52:17
Speaker 2: That's all.
52:20
Speaker 3: We had those three fifty ones down where you were at.
52:23
Speaker 3: There was a two streets over. It was a parking lot,
52:27
Speaker 3: just this nasty black asphalt parking lot we did. We
52:31
Speaker 3: did the show there one year and it was twenty
52:33
Speaker 3: meters down, twenty meters back with those big tanks, and
52:36
Speaker 3: I just remember and it was hot as hot as hell.
52:39
Speaker 3: I think everyone just destroyed their hands. And if you
52:42
Speaker 3: remember God who wanted that year. Steve McDonald, You know,
52:47
Speaker 3: Steve McDonald came to Kokomo's like three weeks before. It
52:50
Speaker 3: was kind of a tune up show. We're giving away
52:52
Speaker 3: some decent amount of money and stuff. He tore his callouses,
52:57
Speaker 3: he shredded his hands on the farm and the duck walk,
53:01
Speaker 3: and he couldn't train, grip or anything for three weeks,
53:04
Speaker 3: and then he won America Strong's man. He goes, you know,
53:06
Speaker 3: I really think the thing that made me win is
53:08
Speaker 3: I tore my hands up so bad and Kokemo, I
53:11
Speaker 3: couldn't really train hard for like two weeks because I
53:14
Speaker 3: just think I totally recovered. Then he stomped everyone.
53:17
Speaker 2: Herested and arrested man.
53:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, because did you do that?
53:20
Speaker 2: When you do that?
53:21
Speaker 3: That was two thousand yep six six, Yeah, I got
53:26
Speaker 3: six that year.
53:27
Speaker 2: Six that year?
53:28
Speaker 3: What'd you get The next year? That was when we
53:29
Speaker 3: were down to North Carolina, second second to two.
53:33
Speaker 2: Derek and I basically tied on everything except for the
53:36
Speaker 2: overhead events, and he just killed me in the overhead events.
53:39
Speaker 2: That was the year the viper press came out, and
53:41
Speaker 2: I think he did like thirteen reps with two seventy
53:43
Speaker 2: five in a minute or something. Yeah, he was Then
53:45
Speaker 2: we had the block presses and he just destroyed the
53:47
Speaker 2: block presses that block press saw dance, but all the
53:51
Speaker 2: all the other events, all the speedloading events and all
53:54
Speaker 2: the other stuff. I was neck and neck with them
53:56
Speaker 2: the whole way. I mean, our points besides the overhead
53:59
Speaker 2: on that contest tie, but he was that far ahead
54:02
Speaker 2: of everybody else.
54:03
Speaker 3: He won both those and I it's funny because I
54:07
Speaker 3: remember that show because I remember Mike like I'd been
54:10
Speaker 3: to so many Americas like that was the biggest margin
54:12
Speaker 3: of victory that had ever happened at an America's artist man,
54:16
Speaker 3: And I said that, and it's like, you know it
54:19
Speaker 3: wasn't to be mean to anyone that was there. It
54:21
Speaker 3: was just this is the facts, and I was just
54:24
Speaker 3: being featual about it. Not at the same point that
54:27
Speaker 3: was the split year, So Carl Gillingham wasn't there, Mark
54:32
Speaker 3: Phillippy wasn't there, Phil Fister wasn't there. I think that
54:35
Speaker 3: would have made it a little different mixture. Not that
54:39
Speaker 3: Derek wouldn't have one, because I think he could have won,
54:41
Speaker 3: but I think having all those guys at the same
54:44
Speaker 3: time would have been a different show.
54:46
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. The split year was two thousand and five.
54:51
Speaker 2: They were still split.
54:52
Speaker 3: They were still split in because now I remember they
54:54
Speaker 3: had the they had the ifs, they had the ifs
54:57
Speaker 3: of agreements. So that was too five And actually Philippi
55:05
Speaker 3: Philippi had dropped his contract in five and came back,
55:08
Speaker 3: but at that point that he didn't really there was
55:11
Speaker 3: no more qualifying for Worlds like it was before you
55:14
Speaker 3: went to America qualified. Now it was just like they
55:17
Speaker 3: kind of went to the cherry pick and ship that
55:19
Speaker 3: they're doing now. I'm not saying that people who don't
55:23
Speaker 3: deserve to come, they do, but like I'm sorry when
55:26
Speaker 3: you leave, like Thomas Evans sitting out here and you've
55:29
Speaker 3: invited You've already invited twenty one people, and Thomas Evans
55:32
Speaker 3: isn't one of them. He's been at the top five
55:35
Speaker 3: in every major show. Are you shitting me? I mean,
55:38
Speaker 3: that is that overlooked? I don't know, it's just my
55:42
Speaker 3: opinion though.
55:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually should get a nod. He really should.
55:48
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's gonna be tough to be and everything.
55:53
Speaker 3: He's just he's just he's just since since he started
55:57
Speaker 3: working with Joe, and that was after World's last year,
56:01
Speaker 3: Joe and he had asked, will you guys help, Well,
56:03
Speaker 3: I would love to twenty events. He's pr nineteen out
56:08
Speaker 3: of twenty events. I mean, come on, dude, that's that's free.
56:12
Speaker 3: That's insane. That's insane. So but he's had a great
56:17
Speaker 3: and again, you know he's people don't realize that, well,
56:21
Speaker 3: you can't do all these shows. And it's like, you know,
56:23
Speaker 3: if you actually have a real job. A lot of
56:27
Speaker 3: these guys don't have real jobs. Let's just say it,
56:28
Speaker 3: we have real jobs. The ones who do have real jobs, Okay,
56:31
Speaker 3: I can get vacation time, I can do this. Maybe
56:34
Speaker 3: your boss is cool. When you're a d one strength coach.
56:37
Speaker 3: It's you're in season, dude. There's always there's no fucking
56:41
Speaker 3: day off. There's no off season. There is no well
56:44
Speaker 3: there is because so many sports. I mean, he's had
56:48
Speaker 3: a street coach from lacrosse, but he's also helped with
56:50
Speaker 3: football and baseball and all these other sports. So it's
56:52
Speaker 3: not like you're you're always on and then you yeah,
56:56
Speaker 3: that's your team, but now you've got these three other
56:58
Speaker 3: teams you work with. So if you're working with three
57:00
Speaker 3: hundred kids on a daily basis, man, that's a different
57:04
Speaker 3: it's a different beast. Now, some guys have real jobs
57:06
Speaker 3: that they work in nine to five working a nine
57:10
Speaker 3: of I mean nine to five jobs. It's a part
57:12
Speaker 3: time job. I mean, but I'm also video who's worked
57:16
Speaker 3: sixty plus hours a week since the day I could work.
57:19
Speaker 3: So maybe I'm not the person to judge that by,
57:23
Speaker 3: but like hmm, you know, yeah, well there's people dad
57:29
Speaker 3: or my kids Dad, you need work life balance, Like no,
57:31
Speaker 3: I need purpose, man. I have purpose when I go
57:34
Speaker 3: to work. So when I look at my phone every day,
57:36
Speaker 3: what's it say? It's it's if not you, then who
57:39
Speaker 3: making a difference? One child at a time? And that's
57:41
Speaker 3: that's what Prese's about. So I live that mission on
57:45
Speaker 3: a daily basis. So I think if other people did,
57:48
Speaker 3: it'd be a little better place to.
57:49
Speaker 2: Live, it would it would be a better place to live.
57:53
Speaker 1: I agree, And Nick man, that's that's that's a beautiful
57:56
Speaker 1: high point to drop out at. You know what I'm saying,
57:58
Speaker 1: and ched, thank you for we appreciate it.
58:01
Speaker 2: Thanks for stayd up late by the way, child.
58:05
Speaker 3: A lot many and then you have it five.
58:10
Speaker 2: You can see those eyes starting to squint and get closed.
58:13
Speaker 3: Like that's what I'm like, I'm sitting on God do
58:15
Speaker 3: I look like them? I either look like them, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:22
Speaker 3: But but here's this is what I do all day.
58:25
Speaker 3: I assume calls all day and phone calls all days.
58:27
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, coming back up to this office
58:30
Speaker 3: and shutting the light off was kind of nice.
58:31
Speaker 2: Otherwise you would have been blind because that's right over
58:33
Speaker 2: my hands. Yeah.
58:35
Speaker 3: Well, hey, let's uh, let's let's let's we'll finish this up.
58:38
Speaker 3: But let's jump on a call tomorrow or Friday and
58:41
Speaker 3: iron out all the all the Myrtle beach stuff.
58:45
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, cool, sounds good, everybody. Yeah, thank you Chad
58:50
Speaker 2: for coming on, thank you, thanks Ben for doing what
58:52
Speaker 2: you do. And it's everybody always. Just go out and
58:56
Speaker 2: be good to everybody, and there's always train hard, train smart,
58:58
Speaker 2: and be the best you can. Good Night, guys.
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