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610 CKTB | Canada's Trip Around the Dark Side of the Moon: Artemis 2 Breaks 406,000KM · Kvetch & Release

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  Speaker 1: John Lickey is joining us this morning. Good morning John,
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Good morning Gin. We're going to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about the Ardomis mission in space. Yesterday, the crew hit
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and six thousand kilometers from Earth. We've never
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  Speaker 1: done that before. They're the first human beings to see
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  Speaker 1: the dark side of the Moon. You're saying this is
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  Speaker 1: a reboot phase of a space travel into a new franchise.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that we've.
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  Speaker 2: Been trapped watching reruns for fifty years. NASA has been
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  Speaker 2: operating sort of like Disney, churning out safe, familiar things
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  Speaker 2: for the past fifty years, low Earth orbit content because
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  Speaker 2: the risk reward ratio favored status quo. But we're pivoting
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  Speaker 2: with Artemis two. This is the moment that we're really
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  Speaker 2: going forward. By hitting four hundred and six thousand kilometers,
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  Speaker 2: it's not just remaking Apollo eleven for a TikTok audience.
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  Speaker 2: It's offecially entering a new phase. This is not just
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  Speaker 2: a new mission, it's the beginning of the next chapter
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  Speaker 2: of humanity's history by going further than ever before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like how you call it the bottle episode.
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  Speaker 1: So how does seeing an Earth rise in four k
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  Speaker 1: change our national psyche about space drove well on.
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  Speaker 2: Earth, we've been trapped in the Permanent Bottle episode, which
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  Speaker 2: is a fixed film set. It's a way that movies
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  Speaker 2: and TV saves money by not doing things outside of
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  Speaker 2: one room or one specific area. We've been so obsessed
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  Speaker 2: by what's going on down here that we forget that
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  Speaker 2: we're just a speck in a broader universe. Seeing this
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  Speaker 2: Earth rise in four k is it's the most existential
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  Speaker 2: zoom out that we can do. It's remarkably difficult to
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  Speaker 2: maintain the fever pitch of our domestic and international squabbles
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  Speaker 2: when you realize that we're just an iridescent marble suspended
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  Speaker 2: in a cold, dark universe. This is an international ego
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  Speaker 2: depth that is being imposed upon all of us. We're
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  Speaker 2: all part of a much larger, multi part epic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeremy Henson, as I mentioned on the Lightest on
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  Speaker 1: the News, Trump gave him a message from Wayne Kretzky yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: Well what's it mean for Canada to be a co
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  Speaker 1: pilot on this ultimate road trip?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have a hand in writing the next chapter
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  Speaker 2: of humanity. This is a masterclass in Canadian soft power
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  Speaker 2: as well. When he was up there, he said, poor
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  Speaker 2: fair de grand shows in grand A. Keep excuse my French,
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  Speaker 2: he said, to do great things, it takes a great team.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about that. It's not just a nod to bilingualism.
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  Speaker 2: This is the geopolitical flex. He's the first astronaut en
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  Speaker 2: route to the Moon to speak French. It's a pointed
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  Speaker 2: reminder that it takes a great team to work hard
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  Speaker 2: while we're so dysfunctional down here on Earth. But it
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  Speaker 2: also shows that we're a legitimate G seven player. While
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  Speaker 2: I saw there was polling in the Globe and mail
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  Speaker 2: that says that we're ready to become part of the EU.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need to become part of the EU. Canada
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  Speaker 2: is a co pilot on the most significant mission in
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  Speaker 2: humanity's history. Right now we should start acting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're calling this mission a lunar gateway, So I
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  Speaker 1: guess I have to ask the question, is the moon?
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  Speaker 1: Is the Moon about to become the gas station for Mars?
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  Speaker 2: Sure? Is this is where we're going to be harvesting
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  Speaker 2: the fuel, the water, the ice, the supplies are going
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  Speaker 2: to be transported there. It's going to be an asymmetric
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  Speaker 2: hall from the Earth to Moon, then to Mars. Once
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  Speaker 2: that gateway is operational, the Moon becomes stops being the destination,
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  Speaker 2: and it becomes the infrastructure that makes the Solar system commutable.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a gas station.
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  Speaker 1: So the Mars endgame. How does this specific record breaking
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  Speaker 1: distance prepare us for the endgame of becoming a multi
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  Speaker 1: planetary species. I guess we could say.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is the endgame calibration to get
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  Speaker 2: to Mars. We've got to prove that we can survive
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  Speaker 2: the space without the luxury of a quick U turn.
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  Speaker 2: Breaking this distance is a stress test for life support,
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  Speaker 2: radiation shielding, and for you know, sanity, quite frankly, and
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  Speaker 2: we have shown that they're learning to coexist in a
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  Speaker 2: reality where home is a three day trek away. If
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  Speaker 2: humanity can master about five hundred thousand kilometers, it's no
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  Speaker 2: longer just a dream, it's actually setting a course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I didn't really get into the whole
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  Speaker 1: Artemis thing when it was being announced. You know, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to the Moon. I kept saying, we're not going
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  Speaker 1: to the moon, We're doing a drive by. But you
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  Speaker 1: know what, the deeper the mission got, the more excited
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  Speaker 1: I got, And I was pretty thrilled to see these
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  Speaker 1: no photographs. But you also talk about the home alone
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  Speaker 1: effect when you arego argue that we've been home alone
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  Speaker 1: on Earth for too long. What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it feels like we're so hyper fixated
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  Speaker 2: on the internal rot because we don't have any external horizon.
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  Speaker 2: We need to be able to again zoom out to
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  Speaker 2: be able to see what actually we are. It makes
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  Speaker 2: our small squabbles seem very very petty. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: every astronaut says when they look down on Earth and
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  Speaker 2: they realize just how small we are in a broader universe.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what happened to our domestic problems when we finally,
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  Speaker 1: as you say, leave the house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean we start to realize how petty
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  Speaker 2: they are, and we can hopefully finally start to realize
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  Speaker 2: that we need to collectively work together. I hate to
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  Speaker 2: quote Independence Day, or not quote it, but reference it,
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  Speaker 2: but we saw that, you know in the movie, if
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  Speaker 2: humanity came together because of a great existential issue to fight,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for humanity. I would hope that maybe one
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  Speaker 2: day we can get to that point where we realize
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  Speaker 2: that our squabbles down here are quite minor, whether they're
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  Speaker 2: over culture, religion, race, socioeconomic class, whatever they are, and
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  Speaker 2: we can start to focus on the bigger things.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you always have a philosophical message and
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  Speaker 1: you always relate it to a movie and every story
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  Speaker 1: that you tell on the show here. But you know what,
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  Speaker 1: they have problems up in space, just like we do.
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  Speaker 1: The toilet broke and Microsoft Outlook failed.
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  Speaker 2: It was the first toilet that they ever used. Wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just like a full suction cup model, so it had
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  Speaker 2: some problems one two times, but they were able to
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  Speaker 2: get it fixed. Microsoft Outlook broke. The astronaut called down
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  Speaker 2: to Houston. It was the first message and he said,
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  Speaker 2: I've got two outlooks open and they're both not working.
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  Speaker 2: But he was able to put in the support ticket
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  Speaker 2: with it. They got it working. If they can do
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  Speaker 2: it from five hundred thousand kilometers, you can call up
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  Speaker 2: it to get your computer working as well. What a
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  Speaker 2: great ad for Microsoft as well. No matter where you
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  Speaker 2: are in the galaxy, we'll get your email to you.
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  Speaker 1: Except no plumber can go up to space. Absolutely can see.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I always say parents, get your kids to
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  Speaker 1: go to a trade school. Plumbers they retire early and
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  Speaker 1: they make a fortune. Absolutely, John, thanks so much for
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  Speaker 1: your wild look at world events. Always love having you
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  Speaker 1: on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Jim, we'll talk to you again, probably next Tuesday. There
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  Speaker 1: he goes John Letke, great storyteller here on the show.
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  Speaker 1: He always as an interesting look at what the rest
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  Speaker 1: of us are looking at, and it's usually much different
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  Speaker 1: than most of us.