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Benavidez Is Never Fighting Bivol (And We're BUMMED) · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at 6'5, weight class unknown, but
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  Speaker 1: hailing from the city of sin, put your hands together
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  Speaker 1: for Jamison Welch. And in this corner, standing at 5'10,
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  Speaker 1: weighing in at pounds, and coming to us from his
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  Speaker 1: super secret bunker with no AC in Tucson, Arizona, put
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  Speaker 1: your hands together for Luis Montemayor.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. And welcome back to another episode
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  Speaker 2: of Mixed Company Podcast. Of course, I'm going to have
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  Speaker 2: to shout out to Jameson, as always, enjoyed by Luis. Luis,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on, man?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Jameson. I got some actually good news to start
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  Speaker 3: this episode off with. If y'all listened last episode, neither
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  Speaker 3: of us are very happy about this rumor that Shakur
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  Speaker 3: Stevenson was fighting Manny Pacquiao.
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  Speaker 4: That was terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Luckily, thank goodness, talks fell through for that. We can
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  Speaker 3: just kind of pretend that never even happened and move on.
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  Speaker 3: Let us never speak of this again. But it's being
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  Speaker 3: said that, you know, the rumor is that he, Shakur Stevenson,
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  Speaker 3: and Devin Haney are in, quote, advanced discussions for a fight.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they've gone back and forth a couple of
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  Speaker 3: times here. You had said that anyone that Shakur agrees
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  Speaker 3: to fight is going to be a disappointment. I think
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  Speaker 3: this might be one that actually would not be for me.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think about this potential matchup and what
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  Speaker 4: it means for these guys?
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  Speaker 5: Well, see, I don't believe anything until it's on the
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  Speaker 5: dotted line.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. It's been too much back and forth. Too
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  Speaker 2: much games being played on social media. I'm tired of it.
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  Speaker 2: Make the fight or don't. We got something else to
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  Speaker 2: figure out, man. I'm getting, I'm over it. Like, here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. As good as Shakur is and as, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as talented as Haney is, this ain't all worth all this. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they haven't accomplished enough to be carrying on like this.
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  Speaker 2: Either do it or don't, but get on with it
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  Speaker 2: because this is annoying. Like, let's make fights. Like, this
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  Speaker 2: whole bickering on social media, back and forth, you know, payday,
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  Speaker 2: who ducked who. I don't give a flying fuck. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get this site fine. Either sign it or move on
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  Speaker 2: because it's getting old. We've known this for a whole
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  Speaker 2: year now.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed.
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  Speaker 3: And it's important to note that Haney hasn't fought at
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  Speaker 3: all since November 25th when he beat Brian Norman Jr.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of the same thing as what happened with Ryan Garcia.
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  Speaker 3: We thought Haney was kind of on the way out,
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  Speaker 3: losing his step. And he came back, kicked ass, looked
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  Speaker 3: really aggressive, looked great in the ring.
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  Speaker 4: And we were both.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of excited, like, all right, Haney, let's show us
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  Speaker 3: what you got. Haney 2.0. Let's see how focused and
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  Speaker 3: how much your game is going to advance going forward.
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  Speaker 5: And nothing. Crickets.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing Shakur hasn't fought since he defeated Teofimo in January.
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  Speaker 3: There's no reason why a fight shouldn't have been announced
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  Speaker 3: before the end of this year for both of them.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I agree with you. I think it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of very annoying to.
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  Speaker 3: And these guys are too good to just leave these
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  Speaker 3: skills out on the table. And I, it sucks that like,
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  Speaker 3: we want to talk about the show. We can speculate
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  Speaker 3: on the show. That's perfectly fine. But we want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about actual news, actual fights that are announced. Not like,
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  Speaker 3: what if, what if, what if, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I, here's the thing. I just hope it gets done.
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  Speaker 3: And if it falls through, yeah, I can't think of
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  Speaker 3: somebody that, you know, Shakur would fight that would get
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  Speaker 3: me excited.
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  Speaker 4: To see him back in the ring. I mean, God,
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  Speaker 4: there's like, he's mentioned some people.
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  Speaker 3: Like, let's see, I'm blanking on the names that he
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  Speaker 3: wanted to fight.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: That kind of says it all that I'm blanking on
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  Speaker 3: the potential names.
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  Speaker 2: And we're not here for that, man. I know he's
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  Speaker 2: not a contract and Zufa people and all that. I
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  Speaker 2: get all that. But if they're not going to make
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  Speaker 2: the right fights for you, then we're wasting our time here.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we're trying to see fights.
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  Speaker 2: We're not trying to see things on social media, see
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  Speaker 2: the back and forth. All that's getting old and corny. Let's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, let's make these fights and let's keep it
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  Speaker 2: moving because in a perfect world, Shakur and Haney fight
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  Speaker 2: later this year, early next year. Tank fights the winner
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  Speaker 2: of that fight.
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  Speaker 5: In a perfect world, we get all what we want
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  Speaker 5: and keep it moving.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to happen because it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: work out that way in baseball, but that's just how
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  Speaker 2: it goes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just can't imagine boxing fans that get, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, really sucked into the back and forth on
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  Speaker 3: social media and think it's cool and, like, badass.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are people out there that are like, oh, Shakur,
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  Speaker 4: you got him. You got Haney's ass on Twitter. Like,
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  Speaker 4: you're right.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody gives a fuck, man.
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  Speaker 4: Get in the ring.
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  Speaker 2: And it's getting old. Like, it's been going on for
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  Speaker 2: over a year now. So it's not like, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is something that randomly happened. No, it keeps on happening.
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  Speaker 5: It's very old. It's very corny. And, like, I guess
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  Speaker 5: Shakur's a great boxer. He has great talent. But it's like, bro,
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  Speaker 5: we don't care anymore. Either fight or do something else.
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  Speaker 5: We don't care. This is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not one to poo-poo the use of social
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  Speaker 3: media by boxers because they need that to get their
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  Speaker 3: name out there. This is the era that we live in.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a difference between, I don't know, maybe putting
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  Speaker 3: out your workouts or talking about the sport or other
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  Speaker 3: things or maybe your opinions on other fights on social
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  Speaker 3: media and.
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  Speaker 4: Having your name and face out there. That's perfectly fine.
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  Speaker 3: But the sniping with a potential opponent You know, I'd
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  Speaker 3: rather hear Shakur Stevens and talk shit about like a
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  Speaker 3: heavyweight that he'll never fight. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: It's not that you could do whatever you want on
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  Speaker 2: social media, but when you are talking all, when you
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  Speaker 2: barking all this big bark and you not control your
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  Speaker 2: situation or it seems you're not in control of your situation,
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  Speaker 2: we're not trying to hear nothing else.
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  Speaker 5: Like it's one thing. You just talk this type of fight.
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  Speaker 5: That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: But you keep talking, keep talking. And then we hear
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  Speaker 2: different reports of who's actually running things. Who's actually controlling shit.
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  Speaker 5: Whatnot, whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, nah, if Zufa's the controller of your shit,
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  Speaker 2: then get with them and make the fight. Like, it's
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  Speaker 2: to the point where it's like, bro, we don't care.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't fight someone that people don't really want
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  Speaker 2: to watch, people are over it.
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  Speaker 5: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Boxing's very fickle to where when you're hot, you gotta
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of that. No one's here for a Shakur
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  Speaker 2: Tuna fight.
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  Speaker 5: Like, no one.
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  Speaker 2: Like, as great as he talks about he is, and
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  Speaker 2: as great as I believe he is, we're not here
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  Speaker 2: for any random... four round exhibition. He gets somebody out
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  Speaker 2: of here. We got to wait another nine months for,
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  Speaker 2: we're not here for that. Like it's time to start fighting.
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  Speaker 2: He don't have, he doesn't have a fight where you're like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: I remember that one. Oh, he was really challenged that fight.
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  Speaker 5: Or you know what? He really mopped the floor with
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  Speaker 5: that other B plus a month.
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  Speaker 2: Like where, where are the fights where you could talk
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  Speaker 2: about his career where it's like, damn, that was a
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  Speaker 2: good ass fight.
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  Speaker 5: He fought such and such. And that went down to
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  Speaker 5: the wire.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the closest we got is when he
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  Speaker 3: fought William Cepeda, I believe, last year. They gave him
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  Speaker 3: an actual challenge, and that was great.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody was stoked.
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  Speaker 3: Again, you're talking to a guy who's been a Shakur
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  Speaker 3: fanboy for a while, even though everybody was talking shit
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  Speaker 3: about him, saying, oh, he's a runner, he's not actually
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  Speaker 3: a great boxer, he's not a knockout guy, he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have power, blah, blah, blah. My thing was always the
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  Speaker 3: kid is talented and deserves respect, and I stand by that.
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  Speaker 3: But you're not giving me anything here, Shakur, to work
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  Speaker 3: with because we're not seeing you in the ring all year.
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  Speaker 4: All we're seeing is you just talking shit. And I
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  Speaker 4: get it. We're both 40-year-old men. We're grampies. We're old heads.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't grow up on social media. And a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these kids didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Time out, time out, time out. I ain't no damn grampie.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not that.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, we invented social media.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the first thing. We just want to see
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  Speaker 2: a damn fight.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: That's all.
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  Speaker 2: We just want to see a fight. Forget all the extras.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about the Instagrams and Twitter shit. Sign
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  Speaker 2: up for the fight or retire. I don't care about
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  Speaker 2: anything else. It's getting to the point where we're losing interest.
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  Speaker 2: That's where, and you never want that as your product
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  Speaker 2: for any company. You don't want to lose interest in
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  Speaker 2: the situation. Agree.
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  Speaker 3: And potentially there's a loss of interest for Shakur and Haney,
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  Speaker 3: but there was never much interest in Zufa in the
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  Speaker 3: first place for many of us. So, you know, you're
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  Speaker 3: not really making a case for yourself.
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  Speaker 5: You're absolutely correct. But also too, Shakur is too young
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  Speaker 5: in his career to just be fighting once a year
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  Speaker 5: and be keep on playing like this. Like he should
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  Speaker 5: be fighting multiple times a year for how good he is,
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  Speaker 5: for how good he thinks he is. And he says
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  Speaker 5: he is him only fighting once a year. It's criminal.
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  Speaker 2: And he's not making enough money fighting once a year.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like he's making 50 million a fight.
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  Speaker 2: That's not happening. So it's like, Hey man, what's the
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  Speaker 2: holdup here? Because something, something's not right for everything we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: something's off a fighter in his 20s doesn't fight once
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  Speaker 2: a year like he's hurt or some weird contract situation
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  Speaker 2: that we don't know about because something nothing else makes.
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  Speaker 3: Sense yeah and he's not just in his 20s he's
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  Speaker 3: 29 and well the boxing is a young man's game
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  Speaker 3: and you're basically a senior citizen in boxing over 30
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  Speaker 3: so he's honestly wasting valuable time of time of his
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  Speaker 3: prime um doing this and just kind of dilly-dallying so Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's been frustrating, but we'll just kind of keep an
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  Speaker 3: eye on this and keep our pulse on the goings
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  Speaker 3: on here. But let's move on to somebody that actually
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  Speaker 3: kind of has walk the walk when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: getting in the ring and kicking ass and being consistent.
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  Speaker 4: David Benavidez, our.
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  Speaker 3: Guy, pride of Arizona boxing. So he actually just said
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  Speaker 3: he's a cruiserweight now, 175 to 200 is his weight range.
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  Speaker 3: He said he doesn't want to go back down to
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  Speaker 3: light heavyweight.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: We've speculated a lot about what his plans might be,
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  Speaker 3: him not getting his shot to make him an A-list star,
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  Speaker 3: this and that.
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  Speaker 4: We're like, what if he fights B-Ball, this and that.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bummer that if he stays at Cruiserweight, a
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  Speaker 3: B-Ball fight will likely not happen. But also, for me,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of nice to know what his plans are,
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  Speaker 3: for sure, so we can talk about... He said he
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  Speaker 3: wants to stay here for a while. He wants to
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  Speaker 3: reign at Cruiserweight. We can talk about what that'll look like,
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  Speaker 3: and then what his next steps are going forward. Kind
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  Speaker 3: of disappointed, like I said, but I could understand. He
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  Speaker 3: said he feels comfortable at this weight. He's doing very
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  Speaker 3: well for himself. You know, we've seen him absolutely dominate
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  Speaker 3: earlier this year. He wants to come back in December and,
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  Speaker 3: become undisputed at cruiserweight. First things first, how do we
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  Speaker 3: feel about the B-Ball fight not happening? I'm very disappointed
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  Speaker 3: because that was one of my most anticipated fights.
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  Speaker 4: What about you?
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  Speaker 5: Not saying.
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  Speaker 2: You got a guy like David Benavidez who You can
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  Speaker 2: make an argument that he's the best fighter box breathing
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  Speaker 2: right now. You can make an argument that he's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can, you can make that argument that whether it's
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  Speaker 2: pound for pound or whatever, he's the.
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  Speaker 5: Best, but him not being able to fight someone to
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  Speaker 5: his caliber kind of sucks. You know, that's the, or
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  Speaker 5: somebody that can threaten him kind of sucks.
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  Speaker 2: And now you get into the weird part where he
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  Speaker 2: might have a few fights where no one's really threatening him.
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  Speaker 2: When that happens, it's a very dangerous zone because how
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  Speaker 2: do you gauge a fighter if he's not getting challenged?
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's kind of the Roy Jones thing
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  Speaker 2: back in the day, right? He was in a weird
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  Speaker 2: division where he didn't have a whole lot of challengers.
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  Speaker 2: He had to move up and then move down. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see what happens. At the
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  Speaker 2: same time, his body, he almost has a heavyweight body,
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  Speaker 2: but at the same time, he doesn't have a 225
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  Speaker 2: body frame. So it's a very unique situation for him.
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  Speaker 2: He's in a very unique spot. He's going to mount
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  Speaker 2: the floor at 175, and he's going to take care
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  Speaker 2: of business there. But moving up doesn't quite make sense either.
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  Speaker 2: So he's just in a weird spot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the difference between him and Roy
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  Speaker 3: Jones is that, like you said, he didn't have competition
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  Speaker 3: and had to move up. Bro, for Benavidez, we were
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  Speaker 3: talking about how great a b-ball matchup would be for
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  Speaker 3: about a year now or something like that. So there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a potential there. I'm not in the guy's head.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how he feels. And maybe with age,
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  Speaker 3: people generally move up. That's essentially what happens. So there
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  Speaker 3: is always a potential that he could make a name
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  Speaker 3: for himself at cruiserweight and move up to heavyweight. Usyk
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  Speaker 3: did it before Usyk was the best heavyweight of the
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  Speaker 3: current era. He did great at cruiserweight. He really kind
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  Speaker 3: of made a.
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  Speaker 4: Name for himself. So it is a possibility.
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  Speaker 3: And I never want to poo-poo David Benavidez's choices because,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, he's one of the best out there
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  Speaker 3: right now. uh, looks great in the ring, dominates, knocks
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  Speaker 3: people out, kicks ass. And we want to see him
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  Speaker 3: in the ring more often. It's just kind of, yeah, it,
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  Speaker 3: it sucks that, uh, you know, we're, it's more, I'm
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  Speaker 3: more sort of poo-pooing the cruiserweight, uh, weight class, no
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  Speaker 3: disrespect to any of the fighters and champs there. It's
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  Speaker 3: just no names that are really like, get you really
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  Speaker 3: hyped up or, you know, kind of, or even household names.
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  Speaker 2: My God.
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  Speaker 3: Um, like, Jao Pataya has a lot of, uh, hype
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  Speaker 3: right now. And, you know, that's likely the fight that
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  Speaker 3: Benavidez will take in Cinco de Mayo.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, ask a regular person, you know, off the
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  Speaker 4: street who Jao Pataya is. He just doesn't have that
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  Speaker 4: name recognition.
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  Speaker 5: Not at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, um, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm, I, at the end of the day, I want
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  Speaker 3: to see my guy succeed. I want to see him
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  Speaker 3: be a star and I want to see him back
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  Speaker 3: in the ring twice a year, uh, at least. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: but so I'm, I'm glad that he kind of, we
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  Speaker 3: kind of know what to talk about going forward. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: One thing I will say that's very annoying, I was
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  Speaker 3: reading these articles about his interview. There's all these articles
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  Speaker 3: that are like, well, if David Benavidez stays at Cruiserweight, well,
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  Speaker 3: that just means the Canelo fight is long gone. Bro,
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  Speaker 3: nobody thought that fight was happening for years now.
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  Speaker 2: That fight died on Cinco de Mayo weekend of 22.
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  Speaker 5: Once Canelo lost that.
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  Speaker 2: Fight that night, he was never fighting.
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  Speaker 5: He was never fighting Benavidez. Never. He was never fighting Benavidez.
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  Speaker 5: He was never. It wasn't happening. So that's a pipe dream.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I will say, if that fight ever did happen,
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  Speaker 2: you could put that shit in the middle of wherever
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  Speaker 2: city you want to because it's going to do 150,000
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  Speaker 2: people a lot if it ever did happen.
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  Speaker 5: But it's not. No. Nope. Nope.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't even know, like, I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 3: just why that's even being brought up in, like, an
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  Speaker 3: article written this week by anybody.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you want to talk?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you why. One is to get clicks, because
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  Speaker 5: right now it's kind of a slower time.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, Canelo is fighting soon, but it's a relatively slow
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  Speaker 2: time right now. So you put something out like that.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Benavidez is supposed to be fighting later in the year.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Canelo's fighting in the month. You put something out there because, hey,
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot of fights to make. Especially
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: big mega fights, there's not a whole lot of them
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: to make. So you start putting pieces together.
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: Wait a minute.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I can throw this against the wall and see if
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: it sticks.
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: It ain't going to stick.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: But I can understand why somebody would write that and
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: put it out there.
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: Don't agree with it, but I can see the reason why.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: That's fair. That's fair.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just– David Benavidez is the boogeyman. He should
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: continue to be the boogeyman. I just find it hard
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: for him to be that guy in a weight class.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: That nobody cares about.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if Benavidez plans to move up the heavyweight– we
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: said this before. He's got to stick to like– low
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: 200s he can't be fighting a 230 250 pound guy
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: uh you know but also at the same time he
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: said that he doesn't want to do it for like
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: another few years like he said he's not going to
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: be ready um so so i understand um i don't
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: know i i think that uh the biggest money makers
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: for him were going to be the bbl fight uh
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: he also mentioned potentially better bf but that guy we
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: haven't heard a peep from him we haven't really heard
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: about a potential trilogy if against b-ball i would love
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: to see it don't get me wrong um yeah but
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: i don't know i mean i i imagine better be
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: of is like that he's already over 40 so he's
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: been gonna be thinking about retirement soon if he does
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: come back against people i can't see him taking another
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: fight after that win or lose uh personally but um
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: so that one i wasn't really i wasn't really kind
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: of banking on a b-ball better be of at all
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: anyway I'm sorry, it's Benavidez versus Better B.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: There's too many B.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Names in this news article here.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Another thing too is that there is speculation about whether
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Benavidez will be back in December. Of course, he's eyeing
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Cinco de Mayo. That would be the best thing for him.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: That's the moneymaker. But I mean, could we see him
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: in December and then back in May? That would be
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: really cool.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: It'd be ideal.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: It would be ideal for sure. I mean, the May date,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: it's always the May date. It's always the moneymaker. Dates,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: that'd be cool. But here's the thing, man. Like, we'll
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: go back to Benavidez real.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Quick, moving up.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I would be cautious of moving up because a lot
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: of times guys move up, but their power doesn't. And
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: that goes to every weight class, not just going from
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: cruiser to heavy or light heavy, whatever it is. You know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: from 130 to 140, we've seen guys be very powerful
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: at 130. They go up to 140, and they can't
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: ever fly. So those are things I'd be cautious of
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: if I was him because it feels like his power
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: is his strength at 175. I don't know what happens
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: if you go up 25 or 35 more pounds.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: What happens power-wise?
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: And also, those power punches aren't going to be as
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: impactful in that division as they are in the current
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: division you're in. So that's where I'd be very cautious
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: of him if it comes to moving up.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that's necessarily the smartest idea. That's
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: the first thing.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: When it comes to the fights, normally guys fight at
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the end of the year and the middle of the year.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So fighting twice a year, which was November and December
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and back in May again, that's pretty much the norm.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. So if that can
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: be pulled off, I don't see why not. Sure.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: And, you know, just to add on to what you're
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: talking about going up is that, you know, Benavidez is
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: not just power, but speed is his creme de la creme.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: And the bigger you are, the slower you are. That's
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: just how physics works. That's how bodies work. But also,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: you know, he's a very lean guy. You know, he
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: has a very weird, I don't want to say weird,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: just like interesting body type for somebody that fights at 200.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Because he's not big, bulky.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Everybody's body is different, and they react differently to strength
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and conditioning. So maybe if he does focus on bulking up,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: putting on muscle, does lose some speed, but those power
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: punches are still killer, I could see it. But at
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: this point, we are just speculating. But yeah, I mean,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: him fighting in May and then fighting in December, what
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: is it, like seven months, and then five months if
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: he comes back in Cinco de Mayo.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: That is.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: For this era, that sounds like not enough time in
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: between matches. But that just kind of says more about
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: how often guys are not fighting these days.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Because it kind of sucks that– and nothing against Benavidez himself.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: It sucks that we're talking about May, December, and May
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: again as like something amazing that would happen for the
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: boxing world and seeing this guy back that soon. It's
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: just kind of a bummer.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Okay. Okay, moving on to another topic here.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, last episode I forgot to mention that Keyshawn Davis
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: versus Richardson Hitchens was agreed upon, and we'll be talking
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: more about it as it gets closer. One thing that
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: I did want to talk about that's very interesting to
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: me is that Keyshawn did not want to fight Devin
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Haney because supposedly he was not getting the payday that
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: he wanted.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I think he wanted five M's versus three or something
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: How much is he really getting paid to fight a
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Richardson Hitchens who is very talented but not a big name?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Come on. That's the thing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: It's weird because I think he was supposed to get
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: three for the Haney fight and then it got down
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: to 2.2 because they had like a judge, arbitrator or whatever.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And then he was like, I'm out. And it's like, bro,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like you gave it 3 million. So what's really going on?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if he's going to get that
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: three in this fight.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: I don't see it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't, I don't see how he could. Like personally,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I don't, unless he got guaranteed. If Zufa guaranteed it,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: then that's a whole different thing. Cause that's, you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: but I don't know.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I could see that because Zufa,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: you know, they got a lot of money to spare
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: right now, especially with funding from the Saudis.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: So it's possible.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: But in terms of like definitely if they're paying that much,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine they're getting a lot of that back.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Because, again, no disrespect to Hitchens. He's a great fighter.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: But he's still on his way up.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: And Keyshawn should be fighting the best of the best
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: because he also carries himself like he's.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: The absolute shit. You know what I mean?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: So why walk away from a Heaney fight?
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: It should have been backwards.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Hitchens and Keyshawn should have used each other as a
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: stepping stone to something like that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That fight was basically done, and then he pulled that stuff.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: And it's like, man, what are we doing?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Because he's not a guy that can— I don't know where
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: he gets over $ 3 million from.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: I don't see it. Unless he's part of a bigger
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: card to where they have that money for that, but
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: I don't see it. I truly don't.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Keyshawn is enough of a name that he
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: is a main event. So is he going to be
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: the second guy on the poster? I'd be surprised. Who
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: would they put on there? I could potentially see Shakur
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: versus Manny as the big name, as the main event.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Not that I would like it, and I think it's stupid,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: but in terms of how you just want to put
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: recognizable names.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Together, I could see that. But I don't know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, it could be a Shakur-Keyshawn co-headline, and that
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: could be... you know, another big Zufa event. And we
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: just had the September fight with Ryan Garcia versus Connor Ben,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: who was with Zufa. And it was like, it's still
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: a Zufa thing. And they got the bigger name, uh, to,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to fight their guy. So I could potentially see that
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: being a similar thing, but yeah, it's.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Really, it's just, it's just Keyshawn is moving weird. He
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: has been moving weird for years, honestly.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: And, um, I don't know.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm much less excited to see him back
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: in the ring than I am Richard Hitchens, to be honest.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Same.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of honestly like for me personally, as a
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: fan of Hitchens, I'd rather see him knock Keyshawn out
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and then him be the next guy. And just kind
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: of what we talked about before, have Keyshawn just be
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the guy in the second and.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Third name on the poster there. Because he's just not
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: doing it for me, man. He's lost the juice as
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: There's just a couple of items on the news that
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about. We'll keep this one short here.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But yeah, we'll be talking about all these news stories
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: as more develops.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: But yeah, Jameson, where can people find you on social media?
• 22:10
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• 22:14
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