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The Testimony Of ANNEKE LUCAS · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: I have to give a trigger warning before this video begins.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be the most disturbing thing that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever created. We are featuring real interview footage from
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  Speaker 1: victims and going down one of the darkest rabbit holes
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  Speaker 1: that could possibly go down on a platform like YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: So for all the viewers out there, I really want
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  Speaker 1: to inform you that this is going to be a
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  Speaker 1: very graphic show, a very disturbing show, and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to contain details about horrible things that have happened to
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  Speaker 1: younger individuals in society. So I just want to warn you.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're talking about a very strong, courageous woman
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  Speaker 1: and survivor of the most terrific thing I've ever read about,
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  Speaker 1: a woman named Annica Lucas.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: According to OCCRP, Belgium has attracted criticism over the past
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  Speaker 1: few decades for its perceived permissiveness towards major child stual
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  Speaker 1: exploitation scandals. In an article by Brussels Times, around three
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  Speaker 1: hundred to six hundred cases are reported each year. A
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  Speaker 1: recent Amnesty International survey estimated that one in four under
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  Speaker 1: ninth teen in the country of Belgium has been a
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  Speaker 1: victim of and that fifty three percent of such cases
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  Speaker 1: never make it to trial. In the nineteen nineties, with
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  Speaker 1: the Mark de True case, which we've talked about a
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  Speaker 1: lot on this channel, much of the nation's eyes were
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  Speaker 1: brought upon an alleged predator network that ran rampant through
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  Speaker 1: Belgium but had been clandestine for many years. A survivor
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  Speaker 1: and victim of that group, Onnica Lucas seemed like any
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  Speaker 1: other child growing up. She was part of a regular,
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  Speaker 1: middle class Belgian family of four. She attended church on Sundays,
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  Speaker 1: spoke Germanic, lived on a Nordic reservation, had a little
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  Speaker 1: brother who was four years younger than her, and even
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  Speaker 1: went to school during the week. But we can't talk
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  Speaker 1: about Onnica Lucas without talking about her sadistic mother. And
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  Speaker 1: before we go any further, I want to remind you
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  Speaker 1: all if you want to verify everything I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: in this video, you can visit the resources document in
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  Speaker 1: the description saying if you're listening to this as a podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want anything to happen to me in the
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  Speaker 1: next weeks or months, So if anything does happen to me,
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  Speaker 1: you have at least an idea of where to start
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  Speaker 1: looking to find out who did it, and all parties
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  Speaker 1: are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Now,
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  Speaker 1: with all that said, let's get into the conspiracy files.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a story that I've wanted to cover
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  Speaker 1: for a very long time. The videos that Anka appears
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  Speaker 1: in I've seen so many, you know, different times. I've
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  Speaker 1: watched all of them many many times, and they're stunning
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  Speaker 1: and just deeply disturbing. And she's a world famous advocate
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  Speaker 1: for the rights of children, as you can probably tell
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  Speaker 1: with my content here on this channel. I really want
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  Speaker 1: to dig in and expose cases like this because I
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  Speaker 1: get this common all the time. People don't want to
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  Speaker 1: believe that this stuff is real. You know, I get
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  Speaker 1: criticized for covering this stuff. People say that I'm covering
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  Speaker 1: my own tracks and that I'm like evil myself, or
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  Speaker 1: I get pleasure out of reading this bit couldn't be
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  Speaker 1: farther from the truth. I get excited when I get
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  Speaker 1: to expose these people using the platform that I've worked
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  Speaker 1: my ass off to build for my over the last
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  Speaker 1: ten years, ten years of blood, sweat and tears. Even
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  Speaker 1: to this day. You'd think I would work less, but
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  Speaker 1: I work more like I work ten hour days almost
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  Speaker 1: every single day of the week, just doing these videos
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  Speaker 1: and researching and my channel and my wife and I
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  Speaker 1: podcast and everything. This stuff comes from a place of
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  Speaker 1: passion for the truth, for exposing this stuff. I've had
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  Speaker 1: personal experience with the corruption of government. There's nothing more
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  Speaker 1: than I hate on planet Earth than the corruption of government,
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  Speaker 1: the exploitation of children, and inept, lazy or corrupt police forces.
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  Speaker 1: So stories like this cover all three. You could really
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  Speaker 1: me spread the word because all these platforms that this
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  Speaker 1: has posted on they don't want to push this sort
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  Speaker 1: of information. So you guys, we have to make this
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  Speaker 1: a grassroots thing to get people watching because this is
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  Speaker 1: important stuff, and once you start looking at the world
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  Speaker 1: in this way, it changes how you view everything. I
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  Speaker 1: do want to say. Instead of saying the words that
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  Speaker 1: I usually have to censor, I'm trying a new thing
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  Speaker 1: so that I don't have to censor myself as much.
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  Speaker 1: So if I use stupid sounding words throughout this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you know that I can hate that myself,
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  Speaker 1: and it is so cringey and dumb. But I would
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  Speaker 1: prefer to not have to do bleeping every twenty seconds,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd rather just make myself cringe a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: like referring to these criminals that take interest in kids
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  Speaker 1: as predators instead of the proper word. So we're going
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  Speaker 1: to see how that works out. But without further ado,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into Onika's story. Like we started off by saying,
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  Speaker 1: Onnika was a completely normal girl from the outside. She
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  Speaker 1: attended church, she had a little brother, went to school
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  Speaker 1: during the week. To everyone who saw her, she just
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  Speaker 1: seemed like your average six year old girl. But this
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  Speaker 1: is the story is just so dark. But when Onika
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  Speaker 1: was just six years old, that's when she started to
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  Speaker 1: be silly exploited by her mother, Sebine Mikielsen to a
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  Speaker 1: large predator ring in Belgium. But things hadn't just started there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Honka explain this herself.
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  Speaker 2: She did start abusing me from birth, and we were
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  Speaker 2: alone at first, and then after she was married I
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  Speaker 2: was four when she was married, and at five these pimps,
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  Speaker 2: this woman started cleaning our house. And a year later
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  Speaker 2: so this woman actually and her husband, they would take
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  Speaker 2: me for weekends. They would groom me, they would take
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  Speaker 2: me with other children who were not their children. Just
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  Speaker 2: around my sixth birthday, they took me for the first
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  Speaker 2: time to an organ. Some time later, my mother took
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  Speaker 2: me herself.
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  Speaker 1: In her memoir Quest for Love, which I've actually read,
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  Speaker 1: Honica shares that her mother was never diagnosed as mentally ill,
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  Speaker 1: and that her mother's emotional life, which motivated her every
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  Speaker 1: word in action, was stuck inside an incest triangle, and
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  Speaker 1: that that's why she exploited her Nia's mother told her
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  Speaker 1: that her grandparents had been perfect, Yet when Onnica tried
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  Speaker 1: to confront her mother in later years, her mother would
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  Speaker 1: scream that Honica had no idea how bad she had
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  Speaker 1: it when she was younger, and when Honica would ask
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  Speaker 1: what happened, her mother would shut down. Honica's grandmother died
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  Speaker 1: weeks before her mother's sixth birthday in nineteen forty five.
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  Speaker 1: In her memoir, Honka related that if her mother was
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  Speaker 1: a victim of incest, she guessed that any negative feelings
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  Speaker 1: towards her grandparents, her mother's own mother would have been
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  Speaker 1: locked away by shame. Onnica also said that her mother's
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  Speaker 1: intonations were often those of a five year old girl,
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  Speaker 1: and while she only ever uttered praise about Onnica's grandma,
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  Speaker 1: all other women received only criticism from her behind their backs.
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  Speaker 1: As for Onnica, her mother viewed her in a very
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  Speaker 1: black and white method of thinking, going from seeing Anica
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  Speaker 1: as evil and all powerful and a bland receptacle for
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  Speaker 1: the goose the little girl pardon her, who carried the
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  Speaker 1: blame for her own experience of Onnica recalled several memories
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  Speaker 1: of her toxic mother throughout her childhood, and her memory
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  Speaker 1: in one, Honka remembered coming home to her mama to
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  Speaker 1: a lady at their home. Honka described how nice her
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  Speaker 1: mom was to the lady there, who had met Anica
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  Speaker 1: before and later revealed she worked for the network as
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  Speaker 1: a pimp, and during this meeting, her mother became angry
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  Speaker 1: at Anka, criticizing her for correcting her in front of
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  Speaker 1: their guest. Anica later asked for a bag of chips,
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  Speaker 1: long after her little brother had gone to bed, and
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  Speaker 1: her mother mocked her, saying, well, don't get up and
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  Speaker 1: get it yourself. At this point, as she had already
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  Speaker 1: been involved in trafficking, Anica shifted into survival mode and
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  Speaker 1: turned into the person that she was when she was
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  Speaker 1: at these network events and ordered her mother to get
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  Speaker 1: her more to drink. Her mom punished Anika by taking
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  Speaker 1: her back up to one of the network's primary castles.
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  Speaker 1: During the winter of nineteen seventy three, after Anica and
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  Speaker 1: her mother went Christmas shopping and had lunch one day,
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  Speaker 1: Honka found herself in her mother's hold. Something she had
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  Speaker 1: done pissed her off, but she wasn't sure what. Anica
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  Speaker 1: suspected that her mother was jealous of her over something.
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  Speaker 1: We're going now to the Dariak's manor, her mom informed
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  Speaker 1: her after dinner, but Honaka begged her to stay home,
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  Speaker 1: not wanting to visit the manor. The Daariyak family was
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  Speaker 1: a family that Honica and her mother knew well. Their
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  Speaker 1: children were also involved in this predator network, and they'd
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  Speaker 1: often host events during which Anaka worked. If you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. When she noticed her little girl begging
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  Speaker 1: not to go to the manor, Onnaica's mother shrugged and said,
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  Speaker 1: I can't do anything about it, but Honaka refused, and
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  Speaker 1: after having enough, her mom dragged her out to the
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  Speaker 1: car by her hair, pushed her into the passenger seat,
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  Speaker 1: and slammed the door. Honaka tried to jump out, but
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  Speaker 1: her mother pinned her to the seat and sped off
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  Speaker 1: towards the manor. When she arrived at the mansion, Honaka
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  Speaker 1: recalled her mother hit a cement marker in the driveway
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  Speaker 1: with her car before dropping her off and speeding off. Florence,
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  Speaker 1: the youngest d'ariyak daughter nearly Onika's age, and her older
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  Speaker 1: brother came out of the manor to examine the damage
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  Speaker 1: with the family, and they all laughed about it, but
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  Speaker 1: Honaka just felt bad for her mom. She knew something
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  Speaker 1: was bothering her. In March of nineteen seventy four, Onnica's
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  Speaker 1: mother took her late one Saturday evening to a mansion
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  Speaker 1: and where they held secret club meetings not always and horrified,
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  Speaker 1: Honaka knew that Nahuel or Patrick, two men that she
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  Speaker 1: had grown to know throughout this, would never show up
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  Speaker 1: to one of these meetings. Honica begged her mom to
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  Speaker 1: take her home, but her mom just smiled and drove
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  Speaker 1: off without her. Honica recalls the room she had spent
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  Speaker 1: many nights in an interview on YouTube. Take a Look.
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  Speaker 2: It was in March of nineteen seventy four. One of
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  Speaker 2: the places where it was not an orde where I
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  Speaker 2: was sometimes taken and brought in late and then I
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  Speaker 2: was just mingling with the people that were there. No,
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  Speaker 2: this was a place, a mansion where I was taken
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  Speaker 2: sometimes and I would just have to go straight to
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  Speaker 2: a small room, and in that room there was dirty mattress,
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  Speaker 2: and then I would just be there and wait for
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  Speaker 2: the men to come.
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  Speaker 1: In her memoir, Honaka recalled the desensitization she had since
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  Speaker 1: being with Patrick Hamers, a Belgian criminal, protect by the
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  Speaker 1: ugly deeds of the network, and what she experienced that
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  Speaker 1: night in that empty mansion, visit after visit after visit
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  Speaker 1: from members of this predator network.
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  Speaker 2: I remember this rate particularly well because I had actually
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  Speaker 2: been protected for about six months, and so I had
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  Speaker 2: gotten used to not being writted. And so I was
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  Speaker 2: back in this dirty room and the first man that
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  Speaker 2: arrived ah scared.
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  Speaker 1: Me to death.
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  Speaker 2: He looked like a gorilla, and he was very gruff.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought again he's going to say this as
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  Speaker 2: a child, I'm not going to do this. But instead
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  Speaker 2: he got angry with me and just told me he
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  Speaker 2: didn't tell me. He didn't speak my language. He basically
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  Speaker 2: motioned for me to take off my clothes, and I
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  Speaker 2: remember as I was trying to take off my t shirt,
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  Speaker 2: I got stuck, and so suddenly I was in this
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  Speaker 2: space where I somehow thought I was going to be killed,
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  Speaker 2: and I couldn't see anything, and my arms were stuck
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  Speaker 2: and my head was covered, and he ripped the shirt
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  Speaker 2: off and laughed. I had seen children be murdered. I
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  Speaker 2: had heard of a girl being shot for not acting
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  Speaker 2: like everything was okay after being ripped, and so I
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  Speaker 2: took a risk with this man. I stared coldly at him,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought, well, he must not be very important,
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  Speaker 2: because I know he's just kind of silly, and he's
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  Speaker 2: okay with this. He's not doing anything. He's not going
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  Speaker 2: to do anything to me. So it was a great
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  Speaker 2: surprise to find that he was number two in a
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  Speaker 2: world power.
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  Speaker 1: Honica's mother showed up nearly a week later, after Anica
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  Speaker 1: had lost a ton of weight and had been starved,
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  Speaker 1: ratted and battered and said to her, why didn't you
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  Speaker 1: come home? We were worried sick about you. Anica at
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  Speaker 1: that point attempted to tell her stepfather what had happened,
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  Speaker 1: but instead she felt guilty and blamed herself. And these
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  Speaker 1: are only a few of the memories that Anica has
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  Speaker 1: spoken of. In an interview with Handing the Shame Back
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, Anica explained her mother's supposed reasoning
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  Speaker 1: as to why she justified pimping her own blood daughter
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  Speaker 1: out to network events and exploiting her for money. Take
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  Speaker 1: a look, she.
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  Speaker 2: Seemed to believe that I was going to get a
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  Speaker 2: good husband from this. She definitely was crazy that way.
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  Speaker 2: That the fact that those people she considered them as
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  Speaker 2: higher up, that she thought that everything was fine and
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  Speaker 2: that I was in good hands. She got paid also,
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  Speaker 2: but there was this idea in her head that because
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  Speaker 2: those people were of high standing, that this was absolutely
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  Speaker 2: the thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Now. The leader of this Belgian predator network to which
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  Speaker 1: Anica belonged was a man named Paul van den Boynant,
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  Speaker 1: a high posted member of Belgian politics, who, along with
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  Speaker 1: some other shady people, would negotiate child trafficking ONAKA referred
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  Speaker 1: to him as Polo. In one of her podcasts posted
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, Onika spoke of Polo and his
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  Speaker 1: identity and how this network really worked.
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  Speaker 2: The main person in Belgium was Paul Vanabunaz, who was
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  Speaker 2: at the time the Minister of National Defense. He was
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  Speaker 2: also more acted more like a mafia boss in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the network, which I call the network, which was
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  Speaker 2: this group of people that had a secret society amongst themselves.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if some came in from secret societies
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  Speaker 2: or not. I think that sometimes I was also used
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  Speaker 2: at meetings of secret societies. They had a secret club,
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  Speaker 2: and I call that the network. And that network was
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  Speaker 2: connected not only on the local level in Belgium, but
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  Speaker 2: was also connected globally, and it was even connected on
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  Speaker 2: a really local level town level in Belgium. And then
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  Speaker 2: those people were then getting opportunities to enter into the
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  Speaker 2: network in Belgium through Baulvan and Brunans as the big
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  Speaker 2: boss at the time nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy four.
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  Speaker 1: In an interview with Real Women, Real Stories, Anica went
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  Speaker 1: on to describe the role of the network, of the
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  Speaker 1: children involved in the network, and herself.
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  Speaker 2: I was used in this network for five years and
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  Speaker 2: a half. Adult men that were part of this exclusive
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  Speaker 2: club were there for various reasons, but there was a
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  Speaker 2: lot of alcohol, a lot of drugs, and the children
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  Speaker 2: the commodity the highest, the most valued commodity, and were
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  Speaker 2: used for mostly but there were a number of aristocrats
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  Speaker 2: that were part of this club who also liked killing children.
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  Speaker 1: The network was made up of many high class, political
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  Speaker 1: and aristocratic members of Belgian society, mostly older men. Anica
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  Speaker 1: at the time was unaware of how much power these
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  Speaker 1: men held in the real world, and didn't know any
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  Speaker 1: of their real names until long after she had left
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  Speaker 1: and began to wake up to what had happened.
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  Speaker 2: I was also approached by some people who were able
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  Speaker 2: to help me identify some of the perpetrators. There's one
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  Speaker 2: perpetrator that, like some others, I was able to just
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  Speaker 2: type in the country of the person that I knew
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  Speaker 2: they were from, which is not in Belgium, politician and
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  Speaker 2: the year, and the person just bumped up right away.
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing. I had no idea that I was
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  Speaker 2: dealing with people who were that important. I had no
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  Speaker 2: idea that these were people on the world stage, and
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  Speaker 2: that they were actually very visible.
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  Speaker 1: In her memoir, Onnica claims that she belonged to a
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  Speaker 1: man known as A as his slave for quite some time,
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  Speaker 1: even going so far as to describe a graphic style
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  Speaker 1: encounter with him. Now keep in mind, at this time
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  Speaker 1: Anica still isn't even a teenager yet. For the first
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  Speaker 1: three years in the network, Anica had two main jobs.
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  Speaker 2: First, so the first three years when I was six,
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  Speaker 2: from age six to nine, I was treated as an outsider.
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  Speaker 2: I was a little girl who had who was used
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  Speaker 2: as an expendable child. So that was when I was
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  Speaker 2: in Belgian network, and I was used for two things.
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  Speaker 2: One was a situation in which I could have certainly
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  Speaker 2: been killed at any moment, which was certain aristocrats who
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  Speaker 2: were extremely sadistic, who used children, and there you just
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  Speaker 2: didn't know if you would survive. And I, just by
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  Speaker 2: sheer accident, did survive. And the other way in which
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  Speaker 2: I was used was to basically indoctrinate what they call
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  Speaker 2: the newcomers, which were really not newcomers, they were just
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  Speaker 2: new to having to raping extremely young children.
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  Speaker 1: When she was nine, Onnico was taken under the wing
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  Speaker 1: of a foreign world renowned VIP club member and a
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  Speaker 1: global network star whom she called big Shot, who was
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  Speaker 1: revealed to be involved with the Belgian Predator ring.
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  Speaker 2: At age nine, I was traded up to what was
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  Speaker 2: then an international networker, and that person ended up deciding
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  Speaker 2: that I did belong with them, and that had to
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  Speaker 2: do with my blood. So there was physically my blood
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  Speaker 2: was taken. I don't know what they could tell from that,
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  Speaker 2: but they must have also just simply asked my mother
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  Speaker 2: who my father was. And then my father comes from
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  Speaker 2: a Huguenote family on his mother's side. They were Hugenotes.
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  Speaker 2: These were aristocrats in France who escaped. They were Protestants.
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  Speaker 2: They escaped in the eighteenth seventeenth, eighteenth centuries, a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago. This family was called Gallare de que Bertan,
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  Speaker 2: so they had the small D in their name. They
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  Speaker 2: were aristocrats. That means that somewhere they were connected to royals,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and that really is what the network is looking for,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: royal blood and that makes them special.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Since it decided that she had royal blood, Honica was
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: then given the privilege of mind control training.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I was determined to be one of them, and that
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: means that I had what they deemed a privilege. That
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is to say, I got mind control trained, which is
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: torture based. So again we're talking about people who do
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: this to their own, those who they consider their own.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And I was a nine year old child, and they
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: acted like it was a real honor for me to
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: be able to be part of them.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Anica went through mind control training for a month, which
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: was based on extreme torture and trauma under the guise
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of a man named doctor Hans Harmsen.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: This reality that mind control works. It's horrible to say that,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: but it creates incredible results because in the mind control,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: in the classic mind control, the trauma creates incredible results.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: And here where I was being treated very nicely the
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: whole time, and being treated as someone who's really really
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: special and who can do no wrong. And so I
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: was being trained to do the things that I naturally
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: love to do. So I sang, but I was naked,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and the vulnerability from being nabord made me sing a
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: lot better. I was also good while pictures were taken.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I was also while I was getting facials. I was
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: also named while I was getting body massaged. I was
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: These people were there and they were doing things, but
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: they're just treating my body as an object of worship.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: So obviously I wasn't during that time. I believe it
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was two weeks, and I think it might have been
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: during the school break around Christmas of nineteen seventy two.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Were talking, and I think that this might have been
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: in France. These people were speaking French, and I was
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: going to be a French entertainer and my persona was
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: going to be part of the agenda. As a little girl,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the training to mind control training had me heavily.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Visualized Onnica's work as an entertainer or performer was what
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Honica referred to as the game. She claimed that the
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: perpetrators never needed to say a word. She anticipated their
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: every whim fluidly and automatically, and fulfilled their deepest emotional
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: needs and civil desires.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: So the purpose of me being an entertainer was only
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that I would have the platform so that the most
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: powerful men in the world would be attracted to me.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I specifically was trained so that they would fall in
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: love with me and think that I was their dream girl,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and then as an adult I would be their life partner.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I would be able to give them that one thing
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: that they never received anywhere else, and then they would
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: fall in love with me. That is to say, the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: young pot in them that never felt loved.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, she still isn't even a teenager at
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: this point. The trauma inflicted on Onica during her extensive
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: training was designed to systematically kill off any hopes and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: feelings she had so that she could appear as an
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: adult and block off any other feelings such as fear, horror, surprise,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and sadness again until a perpetrator specifically requested one of
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: those emotions. Anica discussed this further in an interview with
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Handing the Shame Back in twenty twenty two.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: You know, that was also how I connected with those
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: men is to see their deepest wounds. And I had
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: been trained to detect those wounds specifically for me to
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: be able to put that sort of soothing bomb of
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: my awareness and forced love on those wounds. Yeah, but
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I did see it, and I did do that also
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: from a sort of a natural place of wanting love.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: You give love because you want love, right. Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Additionally, Anaka mentioned that mind control trauma in a slave
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: worked to punish the mind beyond thought, open up intuition
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and psychic abilities and then put all of these abilities
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: in service to these slave owners. For example, Big Shot,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that Hollywood elite guy, once sent Onica to spend a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: weekend with a top German politician and asked her to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: return to him afterwards to report the politician's weaknesses to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: him to give him an advantage in his business and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: government dealings. It was strictly politics, he claimed. In her
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: memoir A Quest for Love, Anika stated, my deadening feelings
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: make me appear mature in the same way that the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: perpetrators also only appear mature. They don't have control over
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: their feelings like truly mature people. Their feelings are deadened.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: My own deadness ensures that they will never be faced
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: with the reality that they are hurting a child. The
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: most insecure and immature men need power the most because
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: they are the most deadened. However, in the week leading
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: up to April thirtieth, nineteen seventy three, during Onica's induction
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: into the network, where she first performed with Big Shot
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: as her manager Onnica was kidnapped by an Italian couple
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and taken to a place called Lake Como. The wife
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: of this couple was extremely jealous of Anica's ability to sing,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and so they humiliated her.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And here was this couple who were using me, where
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the husband treated me as a dirty little object, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that's how they wanted me to feel. And she got
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: all the praise and the laudation from him. And they
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: also did some kind of a ritual in a church
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: in Monaco, a reversal ritual where my purity was transferred
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to her. There was something about my breasts. My brists
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: were just beginning to bud in that these little young
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: girl breasts were hers now and I was getting her
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: self hatred of her body. Yeah, so with incantations and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: fire and then this that was so humiliating, so horrendous.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Honica went on to say that they kept her for
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a day before returning her for her induction into the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Predator Network, and that was the last straw.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I have to thank those that envious singer for breaking
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: my program and sort of waking me up to what
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is this? You know, this is not this is crazy,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: This is absolute insanity, and yes, this hook for me,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: like you're so nice. If you're not even going to
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: be if you can't even do that, then forget it
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to be part of this.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So after rejecting big shots plans for her, after days
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of intense punishment, Onnica was returned to Belgium, working again
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: for Polo, another senior VIP member of the Predator Ring,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: which one Polo would ask that was the starting line
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of the game in a huge room full of old,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: disgusting piles. The whole purpose of this game was to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: buy Onica enough time as possible before having to go
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: upstairs with anyone. Additionally, she recalled the shocking statistics of
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the time that she spent there. Be prepared for your
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: jaw to drop.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I was in that network for five years and a half.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: In that time, I was wropped many, many, many times.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I don't have any scars to show how many times
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I was roped, but I did the math. Usually it
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was a whole night in the weekend, and so I
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: gathered that I was aeped actually for about six hours
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: a week, one thousand, seven hundred and sixteen hours before
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I reached the age of twelve.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: In her memoir, Onnica also recalled that the she had
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: attended around Brussels were bloodthirsty and relentless. Whether they were
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: in castles, bars or villages, you never knew exactly what
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: could or what would happen. Anica was able to translate
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: these high profiles in which she attended unbeknownst to Polo
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and his men, because she was particularly skilled in French
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and Flemish and was learning other languages such as Italian
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: at the time. Now Michelle Nihoul, the man that we've
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: talked about extensively for his involvement in the De Troux affair,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: was the businessman who became the middleman between the child victims,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the pimps, the predators, and Polo. He arranged everything at
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: these parties, running around tirelessly to please these aristocrats who
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: wanted to attend to do these disturbing things. Gaspard, one
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of the big shots who ran the network, would offer
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Onica to other men who were there by running his
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: hands across her jeans, her butt, and the inside of
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: her thighs, and this was common practice. They would then
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: retreat to her room to have six Onnica was a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: part of this predator network for five and a half years.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three, at one of the orders, Anaka
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: met twenty one year old Patrick Hamers, whom she thought
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: was another child in the network. But he turned out
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to be quite different. Patrick Hamer's was a Belgian criminal
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: who seduced eleven year old Honica and wrapped her up
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in a world of love. As it turned out, he
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: was different than other children in the network. He had
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: authority and power, and he wasn't exploited like many of
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the others. Patrick convinced Polo to let him have Hoica
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to himself, and he whisked her up to a bedroom
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: in the castle, where he swore that he wasn't going
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to lay a finger on her, and he didn't. He
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: served as a refuge for her for quite some time.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Patrick and Onica became quite acquainted with each other, spending
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: much of their time together at one of the mansions
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: where he supposedly kept her safe. In her memoir, Honica
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: went on to describe several detailed memories of her time
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: with Patrick. One time, while they were spending time in
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: an upstairs Mannor bedroom, Onica told Patrick of an incident
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: involving Polo in which Polo had beaten her badly, hitting
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: her repeatedly and throwing her around the room, saying it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: gave me such pleasure to hold out against him until
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: he said, just get your clothes and get out of here.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You're so dead to be done with you. The next day,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: after she was beaten by Polo, Anica's mother brought her
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: back to the house where Polo and Michelle Nahul, a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Belgian businessman, and convicted felon and took her down to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the basement where her friend was stripped and killed, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: afterwards biting beetles were released, which swarmed all over the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: girl's bodies, a story that she shared with Brett Arnart
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I screamed, but very quickly I crouched down, and so
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: they were in my hair and I was naked, so
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: they were biting me all over very quickly. I felt
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a presence which I felt quite often, benign, loving presence
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: that calmed me down. And then this time there was
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: some insight, and the insight was that the bugs are
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: not the monster. They're just natural creatures. They're scared, they're
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: out of their habitat, and as I relaxed, it seemed
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: like I couldn't really feel the bite so much anymore.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: They left, They were like I wasn't entertaining anymore, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Polo lived.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Then, to Honica's surprise, Patrick leaned over and whispered loudly
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that he loved her. In another memory, she shared an
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: experience with him that she had with another boy in
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the network, a boy that was about seven years old
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: who she knew was Wowter. Wilter had been screaming in
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the basement that they were being tortured in and hearing
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: these screams it made the men that were torturing the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: children go even harder, until Walter ended up dead. Honka
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: recalled the feeling of loneliness that she endured at these
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: orders outside of her love for Patrick, saying that after
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: her friend Wouter was killed, she made sure to never
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: befriend another child, for they only used the love that
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the children felt for each other to hurt them even more.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Honica went on to say Patrick seems to be her
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: only hope for love, but girls in love with perpetrators
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: are bound to be dropped and heartbroken. They're consider worthless
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: in the network, and that is one way for slaves
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to get themselves killed. In winter nineteen seventy three, at
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a Christmas party, Onnicka was met by Michel n'hool, who
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: frowned at Onnica as she came in with a dior
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: ax the family that we talked about at the beginning,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: saying we have no need for her here. She's off
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: limits for now. There's a daddy's boy who wants her
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: all to himself. Florence Diariac was shocked knowing exactly who
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Michelle Nahoole was referring to Patrick, someone she had also
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: taken akin to as well, and she was pissed. Later
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that evening, Florence boldly has sicks on the side next
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to Honica with the full line of men, including her
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: own blood father, the Count di'riiac, in a sick twisted act,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: before later disappearing with who appeared to be Patrick or
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: so Onnica had thought at the time, but later when
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Patrick appeared to Honica, he denied being with Florence and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: instead whisked her off down the expressway in his red
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Porsche nine to eleven towards Brussels. At his home, Patrick
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: played a Rolling Stones record for her, serenading her and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: suggesting that he thought she was naive for not having
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: said them, but he didn't care, and then later reiterates
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you can't always get what you want and winks at her.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: In the early spring of nineteen seventy four, Honka attended
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a networking event at a greenhouse on a particular property
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: called Cottenhoff Castle in gravin Wessel, Belgium. The parties there
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: were filled with numerous children, more children than adults. The
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: adults were all aristocratic men, the elites of Belgium, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: they wasted no time in flirting with these children. And
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: these men would talk to Michelle Na, who will point
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: out the victims that they wanted to take for themselves
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and either proceed with what they wanted to do or
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: wait just to torture the victims a little bit longer.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And the little aristocrats whose families seemed to be going
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: through the motions of hosting these so called parties, acted
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: as hostesses, including Florence Dieoriak, who I just told you about,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: was right next to Onnica and had relations with a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: full congo line of men just to get back at her.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: In one memory at this location this chateau, Honica recalled
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Michelle Na whole being there, as well as Patrick, the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: guy who was supposedly protecting her. As Annika headed upstairs
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: to the bedroom that she shared with Patrick, Michelle stopped
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Patrick to ask him when he would start sharing her,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and Patrick very loudly threatened to kill him. Upstairs, Patrick
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: showed Anika his gun, asking her if she'd ever seen
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a dead body and encouraged her to tell her stories
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of them. Honica became angry and went on to tell
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Patrick of the very first time that she saw a
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: dead body, saying quote, I don't think knaw Whol was
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: there yet, but an old handler came over a smile
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: on his face. Come along, he said, like a friend.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: He took my hand and we went for a walk.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I was very scared, but he was friendly. I can't
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: remember how we got from one place to the next.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: We ended up in a large basement and he said,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you know, we like you here. We'd hate to lose you.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And as we went deeper into this cellar, it was dark.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I started to smell something, a faint but unmistakably sick odor,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: very specific. I would recognize it right away. Then I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: think he turned on a light that was maybe just
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a bare bulb, and there was a bath made of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: cement at the far end of this cellar, and he
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: led me to the other side of it. Still had
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: this easy going attitude, like this is just something that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: happens if you talk, but there's no need to worry
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: if you don't. So at that moment, I completely got
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: on his wavelength. The first thing I did was tell
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: myself that this was not a human being, just a
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: dead body, and there was nothing to be afraid of.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I looked at her in the same way that I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: felt heated, like old leftovers. She was a young woman,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking she looked working class, maybe had
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: been a pratitude, And then I thought it was strange
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that I should have such a thought about a dead person.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I did not feel horrified, and I still don't. She
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: had a round, soft body, very very white, all cut up.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: The deepest cut was this slash in her belly, horizontal,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and it was open like a purse. I stayed on
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the handler's wavelength for as long as he kept me
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: in there, which seemed much longer than necessary. I got
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the message right away. I didn't plan on telling my
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: stepfather about what had happened, at least not in so
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: many words. End quote. Honica also told Patrick that she
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: went on to tell her mother what had happened in
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that basement, but she felt she hadn't expressed herself enough
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: as her mother did nothing. She was too afraid of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the dead body and too ashamed and didn't know how
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to clearly express herself at six years old. But when
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: her mother started driving her to the or herself, she
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: thought she had given her the idea by trying to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: tell her, and therefore it was all her fault. Your
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: mother is no good. She doesn't love you, Patrick told her.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The next morning, at the Greenhouse property, Honica was awoken
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: by several gunshots, shocked to find that someone was hunting
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: one of the Moroccan children from the Orgies she had
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: seen the night before at the party, with bronze skin
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and dark curls outside their bedroom window. Horrified, Onika begged
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Patrick to take her home, but he just casually gazed
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: out at the child's dead body outside on the ground, unfazed,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and Onnica was haunted by him, asking the night before
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: if she had ever seen a dead body. When Onnaka
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: saw the boy at the Orgie the night before, she
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: had made unmistakable eye contact with him, and, according to her,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: his eyes begged her to talk to him, but Patrick
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: just smirked at him and whipped her away. In late
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, Patrick and Honica had six for the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: first time, starting a long, complicated physical relationship. Patrick accuses
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Honica of not being the age she is and is
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: in complete disbelief when she tells him she's only eleven
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: years old and he's nearly twenty one. But even hearing
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: this from the victim's mouth doesn't stop Patrick from having
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: six with her. Later that month, the two of them
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: take off to the Belgian countryside. In May, Honka told
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Patrick of another memory in which she saw a girl
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: she had seen before in one of the other mansions.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Patrick and Onica offered her food sweetly, and Honka recalled
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: in her memoir quote, I wish she the girl, could
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: figure out which men favor which girls, and learn to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: maneuver her way through the web, attracting the men who
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: are more or less safe, avoiding the dangerous ones, and
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: leaving alone the indifferent ones, surviving as a skill like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: any other, sharpened by intuition in which I was losing
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: end quote. Later that night, the two retreated to Patrick's house,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: where Patrick asks Honka to stab him in the hand
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: with a penknife, and she objected, telling him of a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: traumatic experience in which Polo, her old handler, made her
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: choose between her life or a baby rabbit, and because
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: she chose herself, she was forced to then kill the rabbit.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: But then Honaka stabbed him swiftly, carelessly as the trained
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: soldier that she was, and the two of them then
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: made a blood tie. Fast forward till later that year.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: At one of these predator parties, Honka found network regulars
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: standing over the body of the little girl that they
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: had come across that day. Onnaka recalled that quote, the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: baron was holding a thin braid in his hand like
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a pendulum, as her loose hair gently wafted through the air.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Her blood is the red the brown drenching the burlap
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: on the floor end quote. And it was at that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: point that Onnaka realized she couldn't avoid the dangerous ones
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: after all. In June, Honaka described a weekend in which
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Patrick took her to a beach villa that his parents owned.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: They walked on the beach and Honaka told him that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: she wanted to leave for the south of France. To
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: her surprise, Patrick agreed she should go, saying that they
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: will never be more than what they are now. Later
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that night, Patrick insisted on leaving Anica with a scar
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: like he had, but on the back of her knee,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the most tender spot on the body, and so he
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: stabbed her. But to her surprise, Onnica learns that the
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: reason why Patrick has a limb is because he was
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: stabbed in the back of the knee, also by his father.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: They then headed further south to the French riviera, where
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: they stayed for weeks, having deep conversations and enjoying each
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: other's company. There, Anica asked Patrick why he enjoyed killing
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: people and robbing banks.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Here's a quote and he had shared with me that
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: he would put when he was killing people, that he
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: would put a gun to their heads because he said,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: it puts you in touch with the truth of that person.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: They revealed their truth. And then when he had them
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: in that situation, he started showing his disgust. But basically
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: would be someone trying to survive their weakness in that
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: moment of what he calls then betray.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Then, after a few weeks, Patrick left her at the house,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: saying he would return for her. When he finally returned,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: he angrily threw her into the car and took her home,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: throwing all for things out of the window of his
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: car and treating her like shit, and in the blink
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: of an eye, Onnica's back home with her mother without
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: an explanation as to why Patrick had acted that way. Afterwards,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Anica didn't eat for five days, and as a result
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of her choices, her mom drugged her, giving her copious
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: amounts of sleeping pills and forcing them down her own
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: daughter's throat Onnica later awoke to hear Patrick in her
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: house and managed to crawl off in her day's state
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to find Patrick and her own mother having six in
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the bedroom. After seeing this, Onica's world came crashing down
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and she tried to take life, taking the rest of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: the bottle of sleeping pills, but this attempt was unsuccessful.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: In July, Ona's mother returned her to the network events
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of this Predator ring, where she ran into Patrick for
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the first time in a few days, chased him upstairs,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and slapped him in the face. Patrick explained that he
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: was curious, that's why he had skicked with her mother.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Honka just screamed at him and called him a trader. Afterwards,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Patrick beat her up, saying she should be thanking him
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: for her protection before they fight, and afterwards, Patrick then
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: violently starts raping her. Later, Patrick apologized and drove her
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: back home that night, kissing her good night. Honaica's mom
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: looked pleased when she returned home with a disfigured face
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: from Patrick's absent and coming up with a cover story,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Anika told her brother that she had simply hit her
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: face on a swing. Her brother was clueless at this time.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Honica then goes on to say that in the next
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: few days after this, as the bruises on her face healed,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: she began to believe the idea that she ran into
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: a swing as people commented and joked about it, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: in her own mind, she began creating a false memory.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But let's briefly jump back to April nineteen seventy four,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: during a brief period in which Onnaica's mother refused to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: take her back to the Diorac mansion after several incidents there.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: During one of those nights, Anaka met up with Florence,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Danny, and his three friends on a street corner.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: The three boys proceeded to Bonica in a barn, and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Onnaica describes the brutal experience in her memoir. But after
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: this assault, the youngest of the boys, a man named
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Peter Bosman's, stayed in the barn with her and told
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Anaica that this was supposed to be his initiation into
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the Predator network and that he didn't know that it
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: was going to be this way. They then cuddled for
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: some time after that, and they both agreed to see
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: each other again. When she finally got home after this
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: affair with Peter, Onnica's mother and father were worried sick
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: and forbade her from seeing Florence for another three weeks.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: But due to these years of psychological school and physical abise,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Honica wasn't even bothered. In her memoir, she said, quote,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: girls like myself whose parents give them to the network
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: usually don't survive their teens. But if someone from outside
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the network cares about me, who knows? I go to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: bed full of hope and happiness, thinking that maybe there
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: is a chance for me. End quote. But days later,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: when Onnica went to meet up with Peter again, he
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: didn't show. But in August of nineteen seventy four, Honaka
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: ran into Danny again, one of the perpetrators of the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: original gang. Anica asked him what happened to Peter, and
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: apparently Florence never told him that Anica liked Peter as
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: she had agreed to, and just told Danny that she
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: had an older boyfriend, so he agreed to set them
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: back up. When they finally met back up, Peter and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Anica go for a walk, and Anka told Peter of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: her real life, of everything she does, and how as
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: soon as Patrick drops her, she'll be dead and she
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: thinks that that's going to be very soon, and to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: her horror, in that moment, she realized that it could
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: be sooner than she was thinking, and she suddenly remembers
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that she never ran into the swing. She had been
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: violently abused. At this point, Peter also tells Anica of
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: his life, a seemingly normal life for a fourteen year old,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: before they talked, and Peter her for the rest of
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the night. When Anka arrived back home the next morning,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: she was greeted by Patrick at her front door, right
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: inside the entryway talking to her. Mother. Took Annaka upstairs
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and tried to her, but she fought back, grabbing and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: shoving him until he grabbed his gun and play it
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on her forehead. Honica recalled her thinking through this moment
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: as the gun was cocked on her forehead, saying quote,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Patrick told me he uses his gun to break through
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the lies. That when you confront someone with their death,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: they reveal their truth. What is my truth? He wants
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: me to drop the cold front and be the person
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: who loves him end quote, And finally she gave in,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: thinking of Peter, and Patrick proceeded to her. The next day,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Patrick and Onica met at the Castle in their bedroom
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: where they had first met. Patrick then tells Anica that
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: he just got home yesterday, having been gone for two
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: to three weeks in France. At that moment, Honaka realized
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: that her mother lied to her a few weeks ago
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: when she told Anica that she was going out with Patrick,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that it never happened. Patrick told Anica that her mom
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: isn't that bad after all, and bewildered Anica leaves. They
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: later spend the evening avoiding each other when Anica spots
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Patrick talking to Florence, his face furious. Next, Patrick confronted
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Anica about Peter her new love, and chased her down
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the hallway with a knife. Angry, Patrick cut the back
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of Eyesnia's legs recklessly with a knife, asking if his
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: limp was why she didn't love him, and she said,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I do love you. Honaka asked Patrick to tell her
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the story of what happened to the back of his knee,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and Patrick refused to tell the details, only saying I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: did something and my father was really hurt by that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Honaka recovered at his castle for five days, and then
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Patrick drove her home, acting the same as he always did, gentlemanly,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: friendly and calm. On the morning that Honaica finally returned home,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Honaka found Peter waiting outside the front of her house.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Honaka then snuck out and went back with Peter to
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: his home. Peter had been worried about Honica for a
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: few days and had been waiting for her to return home.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: He then spent the rest of the night tending to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: her knife wounds and feeding her. Peter told her that
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: he was preparing to tell his father about her and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: would like to keep her at his house for as
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: long as he could. Honaka told him that they should
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: run away or she'll be killed because Patrick obviously is crazy,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and Peter then consoled her as she cried. Honaka realized
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that moment that she probably loves Patrick more than Peter.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: And told him that discussing how horrible she felt that
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: she was asking how he could even stand to love her,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and hearing all this, Peter just calmly kissed her and
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: tried to comfort her. She believed that she was no
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: good for him. She was rotten. Later that week, Anaka
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: met up with Peter and told him that they couldn't
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: have sick anymore. She said that she was angry and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it. She insisted once again
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that the two of them should run away, but Peter refused,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and Onnika fought him, crying. But even after all this,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: she ended up staying at Peter's place anyways. But when
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: they left the next morning, as Peter dropped her off
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: at her house, Anica belittled him, saying, I don't care
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: about you. You know that I don't love you. I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: never loved you. I love Patrick and Peter drove off.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: On September twelfth, nineteen seventy four, Honica and Patrick went
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: for a walk in the woods and they got into
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a fight over Patrick's Gucci loafers. When they returned back
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to the castle, Patrick hit Anka as hard as he
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: could repeatedly until she told him I don't love you.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I love Peter. Immediately, Patrick stopped the beating and coldly
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: told Anka he's going to kill Peter. They then fought
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and tussled in the bedroom, with Onica begging Patrick not
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: to kill Peter as they clung to each other fighting,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: But eventually Patrick is able to lock Onnaka in the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: room and said, I can see you really do love
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the little bastard, or you wouldn't care so much whether
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: he lives or dies, and afterwards he left. When Patrick
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: returned later on, he unlocked the door, came into the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: room that Onnica had been held in and told her
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Peter is dead, and hearing this, Onnica was devastated.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: In her memoir, Anaka noted that she went to Peter's
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: house in two thousand and five when she was doing
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: research for her book, and briefly met Peter's father. She said,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: quote on September twelfth, nineteen seventy four, at four ten pm,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: upon returning home from work, he found Peter's lifeless body
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: on the floor of the kitchen of their house. The
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: stove was turned on, gas was seeping out. The death
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: was recorded as an accident. During this meeting, I could
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: not tell him the real cause of Peter's death, for
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: it would cause unnecessary suffering to someone who never fully
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: recovered Peter bosman'sirty one nineteen sixty to nine twelve, nineteen
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: seventy four end quote. By the end of September, Anka
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: had started doing kain with Patrick, trying to do anything
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: to them the feelings of grief and sadness that she
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: felt about Peter's death. Keep in mind, Anica's still not
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: even a teenager throughout any of this. And this just
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: goes to show how these sick people, these machinations of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: these predator rings work, especially in cases like this. They
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: break down these victims, They erode their mentality, so instead
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of seeing themselves as being assaulted, they start to view
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it as they're loving their assaulters and they're having It's
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: completely different than actually what was happening. These were grown
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: men raping young, innocent victims. And Anka discusses all of
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: this at length, and I mean, this is real. This
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: is the reality of the world. There's so many thousands
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: of children that have these life stories like this, but
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: we just don't listen to them. People read Onnika's book
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and they call her crazy, but I don't. I didn't.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I believe her, and I hope you do too. But
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: let's get back to her story. On one chilly October
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: evening in nineteen seventy four, at the Castle, Anica and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Patrick were having six Patrick was again raping Anica, and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the two of them got into an argument. Patrick told
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: her to go downstairs with her friends if she wasn't
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: excited by their ears and Onnica, talking about her friends,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: simply replied, I don't have any. Patrick asked her if
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: it was true that the other kids hadn't liked her
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: before they met, and Honica said it was true, before
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: saying I thought you liked me. Patrick proceeded then to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: brutally beat Anica up while telling her that he never
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: loved her and he had been lying to her the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: entire time. He went on to claim that he had
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: been sleeping with Florence Onnica's mother and numerous other women
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the entire time they'd been together. Patrick then berated Onnica
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and kicked her out of the bedroom, telling her she
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: was arrogant and calling her a little By the time
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Anica made it downstairs, Florence and her friends showed her
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom and again berated her, and disturbingly, Florence
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and the other adults then studily assaulted Anaica themselves in
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: order to, as they described, check for Patrick's firm inside
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of her, and when they didn't find any, they told Anica,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: you were lying. You weren't with Patrick. Florence told Anica,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you have no idea how hard it is to not
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: have a period. Yet you have no idea. I've been
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: pregnant already. I had to have an abortion. It was
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: really scary and painful. I could have died. I have
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to worry about that every month every time. Afterwards, Anka
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: is dragged out to the main party floor to meet
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: with Michelle Nahul, the ring leader of the Predator Ring,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: who's told something by Florence that absolutely excites him. Honka
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: recalls being ready to meet her fate at this point,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: thinking she's about to die. In an interview with Real Women,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Real Stories, Anica recalls her torture.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I was strapped to a butcher's block that was black
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: from the blood of all the children that had come
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: before me. I was there for a few hours. My
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: body is full of scars, and every scar reminds me
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: of the moment I thought that I was going to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: be killed like all the children that weren't loved enough
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to live, and I was going to be forgotten as well,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't ready to die.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Onnica described the graphic torture she endured from Michelle Nahoul
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: and a group of children from the network. It started
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: with Michelle burning a cigarette into her arm before they
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: began using several tools on her, including a pen knife, scissors,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a screwdriver, a razor blade, a fish hook, and other
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: medical tools to destroy Anika's body. Now, keep in mind,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Onika is being gleefully tortured by other victims at this point.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: All these children are so mentally broken down that they
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: follow these orders and they dive headfirst into their assignments.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: This stuff is just so hard, This whole story is
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: just so hard to even comprehend, even for me just
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: reading this research out. So Michelle Nahoul, the ringleader of
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the Predator Ring, demonstrate rated to these children how they
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: could use these tools on Onnica had caused as much
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: pain and to destroy her body as quickly as possible.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: During this demonstration, Michel dug a medical tool with a
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: cone shaped point into Onnika's arm to make a very
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: deep wound. He then sliced her cheek open with a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: bar of warped steel and told the other children in
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the room to do the same. But Anika claims that
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: she felt nothing from any of this. During this torture,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: she had eased herself into a state of deep relaxation,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of complete bodily and mental disassociation. In her memoir, Honaka
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: recalled her feelings at this very moment, saying, in the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: German mind control facility, I was strapped down frequently and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: learned to withstand anything. But there was always a specific
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: purpose to the torture there. It was to get me
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: into a state, to get into my subconscious mind and
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: unlock parts of my brain so I could do something
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: specific that would serve some purpose. But the purpose there
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: was not to kill me. I am close to feeling.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I could easily cry. I could let myself feel the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: pain over Patrick's betrayal, Nihol's cruelty. I could remind myself
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that I am the child. I could think about the
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: fish hook, which painfully pulls and stretches the skin from
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the inside bruises before it rips. Or I could think
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: about the blood flowing from several dozen wounds, creeping all
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: over my skin, tickling like mad and I cannot wipe
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it off. I realized that I was powerless. But if
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I do that, I will slide into the role play.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Then I will be powerless and Nahoul almighty, I will
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: be one side of the coin and Niehuol the other one,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: divided into two, inseparable, bonded by the play by the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: line end quote. Michel n'hol then went on to dig
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: a strap of nails deep into Onnika's right arm underneath
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: her deltoid, systematically stabbing, hitting several points at once, creating
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: an armband of blood, and another one of the children
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: does the same to her left arm. Michel then used
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: an apple corr to hack away at Onika's shin, hitting
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the bone, and one of the little girls stabbed Onika
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: in the forearm with a pen knife. Then Nihoul demanded
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: someone bring him a meat cleaver, saying that he's going
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: to chop off Onica's foot. When all of a sudden,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Onnica recalled the door opening and one of Paulo's friends
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: entering the room, saying that's enough, you can let her
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: go now, and that was it. When Onica finally left
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the butcher's room dressed and beaten and battered. Patrick was
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: in the hallway waiting for her, opened the raping at
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the time an eight or nine year old girl out
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: in the open in front of everybody else, purposely in
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: front of Honica, and after seeing her, he took her
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to Polo's office, where Polo's friend who saved her, Polo,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and the other girl are sitting. Polo then told Anka
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: that she has a price to pay and has to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: decide if it's going to be her or the little girl,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: and according to Anica, she said her. Patrick then cleaned
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Anica up and drove her to a house where Polo,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the girl, and a few others had gone to carry
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: out a murder. After Anica said that the other girl
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: should be killed, things suddenly changed. Patrick cleaned Donica up,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: put her in the car, and drove her off the property.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Polo Onnica's old pimp, the other little girl, and a
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: few others also left the chateau and they all went
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to a random house for a disturbing celebration. After they
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: got to this home, Patrick cut and lined up lines
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: of cain for the group and told Anica that he
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: sold his life for hers and was now going to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: work for Polo, saying, I guess I didn't want you
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: to die after all. Anica reflected on this moment in
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty three podcast with the Courage to Change.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: While I was being tortured, he went negotiated for my
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: life to get me out, which was something that eventually
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: did cost him his life. It was a good deed,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: it was selfless in that moment, it cost him his life.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: When the group finally retreated to the basement of this
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: random house, that small girl was then tied to a
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: dentist's chair. Patrick then showed Anka how to cut wounds
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: on the girl, and Anica did, feeling every shock that
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the girl felt rippling through her body. Before this group
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of grown men and women proceeded to burn the little
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: girl while she was in the deck to his chair
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and completely slice her open. Finally, Onnica was given a
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: dagger to stab the little girl and end her life.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: In her memoir, Onnika states, quote, situations from the past
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: in which I could have defended myself float through my
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: mind as I prepare to stab the girl. All the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: men of the network pass the review. I see them
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: looking at me the way they looked at her tonight,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: like a collection of legs, thighs, and genitals. I remember
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: countless faces, countless scornful gazes. I see the icy stare
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: of the sterile gas barred, the clumsy first timers acting
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like I am so adempt and they are so adolescent,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the charmers, needing eye contact, confusing me with their coy looks,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: connecting as if they saw me the way Patrick looked
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: at this girl tonight. I recall the hundreds of men
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: who came into that little room with the dirty mattress
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: in the mansion, and not one of them said, no,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: this is a child. I cannot do this. I came
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: to this event, but now I'm alone in a room
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: with a child, and I will not stoop to this.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Not one of them ever stopped himself. I am furious
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: at Mama. Mama never stopped herself. This girl is not Mama.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I wish it was Mama strapped to the dentist's chair.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Mama heads with Patrick. Mama, what did you do to me? Mama?
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: What did you do to me? Why did you have me?
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: End quote? Then, according to Anaica, she raised up the
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: dagger high in the air and plunged the sharp blade
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: heavily into the girl's body, slicing through the lower belly
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: of the child in the dentist chair. Here's another quote
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: from her book. I hear the dull thud of the
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: point hitting bone. The knife stands vertically, the blade in
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: size below the navel, across the pelvis. I now have
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: self before birth. I now have killed my mother, and
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: now have killed this little girl. I am now ready
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: to die. With my last strength and bleeding wounds. I
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: pulled the enormous dagger out of her flesh. I fall
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and everything goes black. End quote. So if you're still
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: sticking through me here, sticking through with me here, that
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: this is all incredibly stuff to read. Abok. And after this,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Anica had a near death experience in which she was
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: out of touch with her physical body and in tune
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: with a beam of light that she was able to
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: hear everything around her.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: And then the near death experience that followed, which put
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: me directly, you know, on the other side of the ether.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: And then that gave me put me directly in front
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: of my own teacher and other beings. It wasn't just
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: that teacher, there were other beings there and this absolutely
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: glorious experience. Glorious experience. I can't describe it any other way.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: It was more true than anything else I've ever experienced.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: And it gave me the bliss that is, lifting the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: veil a little bit and just feeling that tremendous love
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and the bliss. And I would say the humor, the
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: humor of God's humor or, you know, my teacher's humor,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: sense of humor. This was my teacher. I didn't know
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: if this was a male or a female, but I
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: didn't know our issues from you know. He reminded me
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: directly of a past life in which I had reached
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: some degree of love but couldn't understand these people who
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: hurt and kill children. And so it was very clear
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: that I had been given this experience in order to
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: come use this life to develop my love fully, to
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: be able to love everyone. But the bliss I experienced
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: there was also to model what I should be striving
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: for in my healing.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Anica then continues describing her near death experience, saying, in
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: her memoir quote, the teacher divines, my burning wish, can
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I stay? The answer is immediate. I will have to
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: return I receive images that clarify why. Visions of future
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: events roll before my eyes. Multi layered purposes are revealed
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: about my life. About this experience, I receive everything instantaneously
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: outside of time, and each piece of information is consistent
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: with a particular present or future need. I wonder about
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Patrick if I have to return while I be with
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: him in the nearer distant future after tonight, you will
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: not see him again, says the teacher who will love me.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: You have divine love. You want human love as well.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Through irony, glorious beauty, through straightforward truths. The teacher is
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: speaking directly to my nature, expressing the aspects to which
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I am the most drawn. Thus I understand that I
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: am loved no matter what I have done, and this
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: knowledge I will have to find once again as I
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: return to the world and live my life, even as
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I bear the guilt over the murder, guilt so enormous
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: it will be a mental disease. I will need to
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: learn and love and understand myself in order to learn
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: to love and understand others. My audience is drawing to
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: a close, and longingly I take in the beloved teacher
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: one last time. I bow before his feet and before
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the Exalted beings, I stay prostrate. I stay prostrate for
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: a very long time. I don't know how long. Endquot.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: When Anika awakes on the floor in her physical form,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: her entire body, according to her, has been healed from
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: all her wounds, and Patrick is standing terrified in the
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: corner of the room. Now, something interesting is that Onnica's
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: experience of near death and what she encountered while her
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: soul was meeting with who she called was the Teacher,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: is very similar to the experiences that many others who
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: have had near death experiences have talked about. There are
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: actually a number of books out there regarding near death experiences,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: and in these books which I've read, the physical body
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: literally dies, and they almost always involve a teacher figure,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: a god, a light ethereal being which gives you the
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: answers to all of your questions that you could ever
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: have or know, the answers to everything. And during these
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: near death experiences, according to survivors, you either go on
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: to be with the light and unconditional love forever and
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: all your loved ones, or return to your physical body,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: such as Anaka did. I've also additionally read as crazy
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: as it sounds about these experiences where like Anica, after
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: coming out of this the person is completely healed, whether
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: it be from terminal cancer, from diseases, or from in injury.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: These are very very interesting experiences. Actually, on my YouTube,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the other YouTube channel, the Paranormal Files that I have,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I recently interviewed a guy who had a near death
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: experience after he was shot in Detroit by his friends
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: who ended up it was like a gang initiation thing
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: and they blew his arm off and his arm was
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: hanging off of his body swinging around. He talks about
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: having an out of body experience very similar to like these.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: But anyways, back to Honka. Honka went on to say
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: the following regarding that out of body experience.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that Van Bunan's and the people that
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: were there at the ritual, which was the last ritual
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I had a near death experience. I believe as far
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: as they knew that I had died, that was certainly
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: their plan to begin with. So I don't know if
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: they knew that I came back to life and that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I was taken back to my home with very specific
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: instructions for my survival. I don't know if anybody in
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: the network knew that I was aligned.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: As ONNICA related and podcast and with others. Patrick then
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: took her home, rescuing her one final time from the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Predator Network.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: And when he took me home with those instructions and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: he told me his whole story that I was able
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: to piece together. Then later on I feel that symbolically
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: he gave me his story and his innocent child self
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: to be redeemed because I had that strength, that spiritual
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: strength that he felt he lacked. So he was selfless
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: in that moment and maybe his own the only moment
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: in his life that he was selfless, but it was selfless.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: And his instructions to you, will you take us through
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: those yet? Sure? So it was Never become a prostitute.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Never sleep with anyone for money. Never buy drugs. You
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: can't take them, but only if they're given to you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and you can never do anything to get them. Don't
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: become an alcoholic. You can have like one or two
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: glasses of wine a night, never drink more than that.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Though it was very clear he said I should forget everything,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: forget him, never speak of the network, never do it.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: I should marry I should find someone my age, not
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: an older man who made his own fortune, but someone
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: my age from a wealthy family, preferably a family of
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: New York bankers, and that's how I should marry.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Afterwards, Honica asked Patrick to hold her one last time
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: before she got out of the car at her mother's house,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and he did and told her to come find him
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: in ten years so that they could be together. But
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Honaka knows that will never happen based on what the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: teacher had just told her before she went inside. Patrick
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: went on to tell Anica what really happened, why his
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: father stabbed him in the back of the leg.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Then he eventually told me his own trauma as a boy,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: which had his father put a gun to his head
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: treat him as that trader, except it was completely convoluted
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't that situation. It wasn't the truth. It
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: was that father's insanity, who felt betrayed by his son
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: when he found him in bed with his wife. So
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: he felt the son who he was raping was betraying
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: him rather than the wife. I mean so crazy. So
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: that trauma, that was his trauma, and he repeated that
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: his whole life, and he killed people from that place
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: of that boy, feeling so ashamed and such a trader,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: in that moment where there was no redemption for that boy.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Patrick said, first he was going to kill me, he
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: held a gun to my head. But then he changed
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: his mind. He felt that I betrayed him. Honaka ended
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: her memoir Quest for Love with the following thoughts regarding
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Patrick quote, I think of Patrick holding the gun to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: my head. I think of Patrick telling me about holding
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the gun to the heads of the men that he killed.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I think of Peter and understand that Patrick killed the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: young rival he himself once was, and that he killed
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the part of himself. With Peter pushed into crime and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: pa by his own father, Patrick loyally plays his assigned
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: role of the bad guy while his parents get to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: look decent. But once I have turned the corner onto
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the little dirt path towards the unlocked back door where
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: the park car would disappear from view altogether, I turn
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: and catch his eye in savor for the last time
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: the deep and effortless intimacy I have known with Patrick
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Hamer's So what ended up happening to the people involved
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: in this predator ring? What's the real story of who
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: these people actually were aside from the nicknames and the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: first name stuff that we've been talking about this entire time, Well,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: let's talk about him. Patrick Hamer's the guy we've been
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: talking about this entire time. Was in nineteen seventy eight
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: sentenced to three years in prison for the rape of
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: a proptitude. He only ended up serving fourteen months. In
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: October nineteen eighty one, he attacked a bank in Belgium,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: which was his first robbery with his father, Achille. Three
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand Belgian francs were retrieved from the car. Afterwards,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Achilles said that he was near the bank to prevent
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: his son from making a mistake. In June nineteen eighty two,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Patrick was sentenced to two years of prison while his
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: father was acquitted of the charges. In March of nineteen
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: eighty five, Patrick married a woman named Denise Tayak, and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: on November fourth, nineteen eighty five, Patrick and his gang
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: robbed a postal money transport in Vervier's, killing two postal employees.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: As it turns out, from nineteen eighty two to nineteen
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: eighty five, the country of Belgium was terrorized by a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: gang that killed a total of twenty eight and wounded
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: over forty people. This gang has come to be known
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: as the Brabant Killers. They've never been caught. In the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: fall of nineteen eighty five, the gang focused on a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: popular chain of large supermarkets and killed anybody in sight
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: in side, including children. On November ninth, nineteen eighty five,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: at a supermarket in a lost Belgium, nine year old
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: David van Desteen saw a killer's mask fall off. The
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: attack left him crippled and killed his entire family. When
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: he was shown a picture of the killer, he recognized
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Patrick immediately, but the press never believed him or followed up.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, Patrick was arrested again and imprisoned
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: as a suspect in nine armed robberies. On August thirteenth,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, a small group of armed men, with
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: the help of Denise, staged Patrick's escape from prison. During
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: a transfer from court, the two guards in the transport
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: vehicle were shot in the legs and remained disabled for life.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: That's the story of Patrick, and we don't know what
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: happened to him. There's also Paul Polo van den Boynance,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: popularly called VDB in Belgium, Paul started out as a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: butcher and quickly built a meat processing empire. In nineteen
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: forty eight he joined the Conservative Party and in nineteen
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: forty nine he was elected into the Belgian Parliament. He
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: was a council member in Brussels from nineteen fifty two
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: until nineteen fifty five and from nineteen sixty six until
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. He was the Prime Minister of Belgium.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: From nineteen seventy two until nineteen seventy nine, he was
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the Minister of National Defense. During his tenure, he supplied
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: entire army units with new weaponry via large international contracts.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: He tried to reform the army and militarize the state,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: but large pub protests put a stop to his plans.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: From nineteen seventy seven until nineteen seventy nine he led
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: the extreme right wing SEPIC organization, which was disbanded after
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: conflicting interests were discovered with the fascist militant group Front
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: de la Jenouse or the Youth's Front. In nineteen seventy eight,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Van den Boyenantz once again became Prime Minister for a year,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: simultaneously maintaining his post as Minister of National Defense. In
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, Polo was convicted of fiscal fraud concerning
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty seven cases of tax evasion and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: forgery and was committed to three years in prison. On
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: January fourteenth, nineteen eighty nine, Polo was kidnapped. One month later,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: after a ransom of sixty three million francs was paid,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: he was released. The press and the entire country were enthralled.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: He was more popular than ever. Two investigators in Polo's
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: case got on the trail of Patrick Hamer's and were
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: eventually led to his hiding place thanks to his father, Achille.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: On May seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine, Patrick, his wife Denise,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: and a friend were apprehended in Brazil. He did it
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: interviews following his arrest and admitted to his role in
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Polo's kidnapping. Interesting right, almost like the two knew each
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: other from the poll ring that they were involved with.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Patrick then remained in custody in Brazil for almost a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: year and was extradited to Belgium on April first, nineteen
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: ninety Patrick's trial was scheduled to occur on April nineteenth,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, but arrived to find it was delayed.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: On May fourteenth, nineteen ninety three, Patrick allegedly kept self
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: in his prison cell by hanging. He was forty years old.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: No autopsy was performed, and no one was even allowed
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: to view Patrick's body before it was disposed of. In
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: early nineteen ninety three, Polo's record was officially cleared and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: his good name was entirely restituted. Any charges in further
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: investigations into fraud, forgery, drug trafficking, and corruption were dropped.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: He retired from politics in nineteen ninety five and died
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: on January ninth, two thousand and one, never facing any
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: justice for any of the crimes committed against the children
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of Belgium. Then we have Michell n Huhl. Arrested on
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: August fifteenth, nineteen ninety six. Michelle Nihouel was one of
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: the four defendants in the de True case, dubbed the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Belgian pile scandal in the press. We've talked about this
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: before many times. Four murdered girls and two survivors were
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: referred to by the New York Times as the victims
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: of a deadly pornography ring. In the fall of nineteen
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: ninety six, several survivors of the network approached investigators of
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: the True case, testifying anonymously under the code name X.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Michelle Nahuel featured prominently in all the victim's testimonies. The
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: testimony of X one Regina Loof stood out because of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: her extremely precise, detailed descriptions of predator network activity in
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. Investigators linked Regina Loof's testimony to several
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: unsolved child murders that involved Michelle n Whoul. It's interesting,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: it's almost like Onica Lucas was involved in the same
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: ring as Regina Loof. In October nineteen ninety six, the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: magistrate in charge of the de True case, who eagerly
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: promised the public to get to the bottom of this,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: was fired from the case, which caused protests around the country.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: In fact, these protests that protested government corruption and collusion
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: and appealing There was over three hundred thousand people on
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: the streets to protest this, and Belgium is a very
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: small country, so it was like I believed twenty percent
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: or so of the entire country's population for one protest.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Soon afterwards, X one slash Regina Loof's investigators were put
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: on leave and remain so even after the complaint triggering
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: their dismissal was found to be unsubstantiated, so those investigators
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: were unnecessarily removed from the case. Wonder why. On January
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: twenty seventh, nineteen ninety seven, it was decided that they
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: would reopen the investigation into the unsolved murder of a
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: woman named Christine von Hyes, which regained attention due to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: the testimony of Regina Loof. On February thirteenth, nineteen eighty four,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: sixteen year old Christine van Hyes was repeatedly raped, tortured,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: and then set on fire. The original murder file already
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: contained leads that led to Michel Nahoul and marked to true.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: These leads were neglected, and yet the same examining magistrate
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: who handled the case from nineteen eighty five onwards was
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: placed in charge of the reinvestigation. It should have been
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: known by the Belgian judiciary that this magistrate's sister was
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: the godmother to the son of Michel Nahoul and that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: he furthermore had once acted as a lawyer for Michelle
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Nahul's longtime girlfriend. Moreover, this magistrate thanked his appointment to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: the extreme right wing political milieu of Michel n'houl and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: his friends, which his investigation should have scrutinized. In nineteen
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: ninety eight, the Vanheies murder file was once again closed.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: The other unsolved child murders brought back into focus by
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Regina Loof's testimony were left untouched, and by then the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: statute of limitations had run out on all these cases.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: On October twenty second, two thousand and one, a file
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: named de true biss was officially split off from the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: De True case. That a True Bis file contained all
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: the ex testimonies of victims, as well as thousands of
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: hairs and trace evidence which did not belong to any
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: of the victims or defendants that were found in Marked
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: d'true's car and torture dungeons. On March nineteenth, two thousand one,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Newsweek magazine published an article titled justice Delayed in Belgium.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Three years later, on March first, two thousand four, eight
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: years after the bodies of four murdered girls were found,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: that a True case went to trial. Because of the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: notoriety of the case, the trial was moved to the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: city of Arlen, where the public in thousands of journalists
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: who could not fit into the courtroom could follow the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: trial on large video screens. In April two thousand and four,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: the Belgian journalist Douglas de Kanning published a book titled
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Thirty Witnesses Dead Those who Won't testify at the De
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: True Trial, tracing in great detail the activities of thirty
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: people who were either about to reveal something big or
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: to deliver important testimony in the True case, who were
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: then murdered, inexplicably, ended their own lives, or died in
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: suspicious accidents. On June seventeenth, two thousand and four, the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: De True trial concluded. The lawyer of one of the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: surviving victims stated, three quarters of the questions we had
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: at the trial were answered with we don't know, but
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: we're going to investigate this. In the True bis file,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Michel Nahoul was found guilty of the minor charges of
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: peddling false documents, dealing drugs, and trading in stolen vehicles.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: That was it. He was never convicted of being the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: head of a sadistic murder and pile torture network across
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: the country, even though the majority of the jury thought
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: that Michel Nahoul was guilty and complicit in the kidnappings
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: of De True's young victims. The judge ruled that Michell
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Nahoul wasn't guilty of those charges. Michell received a five
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: year sentence for drug dealing in gang formation and was
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: granted early release less than two years later in April
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: two thousand and six. On November twenty six, two thousand
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: and four, months after the trial, Mark de True's file
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: was officially closed without another trial and without any new
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: information being released to the public. Anaca mentions in her
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: memoir that it's worth noting that she never came across
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Mark to True, who was only seven years older than her,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: in her time that she spent in the Predator Network.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: For his part, Michele Nahuel published a book titled Rumors
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Facts to clear his name and enjoyed minor her celebrity
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: status for the remainder of his life. He joked that
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: he was at w C, an acronym for walin kanu
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: known as walloon, but w C is also the acronym
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: for water closet, the commonly used term for toilet. Onnaka
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: recalled the weeks after her rescue from the network as
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: being difficult. Her mother was mad that they had lost
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: their main source of income Onnica's work at the network,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and she continued to control and silence her. After one
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: strangulation attempt and one final trip to the network, Onnica's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: mother gained control over Onnica by simply assaulting her herself
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: and so Onnica was done and she ran away. Onnica
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: spoke of this visit in an interview she did in
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, saying, quote, one late morning, she drove me
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: to the castle. I was ushered in by a woman
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: who ordered me to undress and decorated my body with
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: one long black satin ribbon. She showed me the door
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: through where a group of five aristocratic men were gathered
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: around a table after a hunt, drinking coffee. I recognized
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: one aristocrat from the Network, whom I had nicknamed the Fox,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: over his red hair in small pointing nose. Once I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: had overheard him asking for me Topolo, who had replied
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to keep the pretty ones a bit longer.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: This is how I learned that children did not make
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: it through the night with the Fox. The Fox mentioned
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: to the group of hunters in the kitchen that I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: was not meant to be used anymore, that my mother
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: could not help herself and had brought me free of charge.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: One of the other hunters decided that my mother was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: trying to get them to do her dirty laundry, and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: he left with two others. The fox and his friend remained.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I was brutally worked by the friend while the fox
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: aimed his hunting rifle at my head. Rocking back and forth,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: he shot and missed. Upon hearing the deafening bang, his
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: friend threw me down. Angry at the interruption, he suggested
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: that the fox better kill me off, that I'd be
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: better off dead. The fox indicated that he did not
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: care enough, and they left me lying on the floor.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: My mother was waiting in her car outside, parked on
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: the side of the castle. Once I had changed back
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: into my clothes and reached the small side door, which
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: was open, I observed my mother sitting in her car,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: staring blankly, as though she were in shock. The woman
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: who had been at the door when I entered was gone.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: There was no one in sight. On the hallway wall
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: hung a collection of hunting rifles. I picked one up,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: aimed it at my mother's head, and pulled the trigger.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Nothing happened. I picked up another gun and aimed again
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: again nothing. There were no cartridges to be found, so
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I went out, got in the car, throwing myself in
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: the back seat to light down because I was in
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: too much pain to sit. My mother drove me back home.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Having survived that last time, I knew it was over. Afterwards.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: My mother would not be able to sell me anymore.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: After her escape from her mother in the ring, Onica
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: finally managed to make it through elementary school, but she
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: had to repeat eighth grade twice. By the age of fifteen,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: she quit school and stayed with people she met in
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: bars and cafes, preparing to leave home as Pirpatrick's repressed
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: but active instructions. At sixteen, she ended up in the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: red light district of Antwerp, where the owner recruited her
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: and her companions to dare to have drinks with the customers.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: She then moved in with the man to twice her age,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: who three weeks later bullied her into a skill relationship,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: but after he helped her find a steady job, and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: she then left him and moved into her own apartment.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: In February of nineteen eighty two, Onnica met her biological father,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: who courced her into AKA to her. Three months later,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Onnica left Belgium and moved to London, then to Paris,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: then to New York. In an interview with Real Women,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Real Stories Onnica spoke about this pattern that she was
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: engulfed in long after leaving the network.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: As a young adult. Though I didn't have any scars,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I had been projected upon so much as a school
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: object that I attracted men, and part of me needed
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: that to live because that was the only way I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: knew how to feel good. And as a young woman,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I was so disrespected and so used, and yet everyone
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: was so ready to put the blame with me for
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: being promiscuous, for being, as was said, cheap, for all
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: these things, all these epithets, so quick to denounce me.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: And then as I was healing, I realized, no, I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: have to break out of this pattern that I'm in,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: that I need stual attention. So let me break away
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: from it, let me not objectify myself at all, Let
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: me become a liberated woman.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: And so in nineteen eighty seven, Honica moved to la
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: where she finally started her healing process with therapy, but
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: it wasn't without challenges. In the later nineteen eighties. Walking
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: down skid row, A faint whiff of human feces gave
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Honica a flashback to the SNM show to which she
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: had been subjected during her first time in the network.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: From that time onward, she was often plagued with traumatic flashbacks,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: accompanied by very real searches for her predators online.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Just knowing who that person was and seeing pictures of
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: this person, seeing this person on a video made the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: memory that I had of the incident so vivid and real,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: and I had to deal once more with the reality
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: of that read I was ten years old.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: In the ensuing years, Honika saw many different therapists who
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: helped her with memories of incests for assault and satanic rituals.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty eight, Onnika saw a psychic who spoke
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: of Patrick, saying he was a young man and you
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: were a child. He wants you to know that he
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: did betray you. He can see that now, but you know,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: the flesh is weak. In nineteen ninety one, Onnica was
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: accepted into a Master of Fine Arts program for screenwriting,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: where she met her future husband, who matched the profile
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Patrick had outlined in her rescue. In nineteen seventy four.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: In May of nineteen ninety three, she dreamed about the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: North Sea in Belgium at the times she had walked
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: on the beach with Patrick Hamer's and she had a
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: powerful sense that she was looking at his actualized self.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: She woke up with a certainty that the most power
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: erful person in her life had died, but she did
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: not know who this person was or what that meant.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: She told her therapist, but she was dismissive, and she
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: decided then and there that she needed to look for
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: someone new. Patrick Hamers died on May fourteenth, nineteen ninety three.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four, Onnica saw a large poster of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: a face on a book that looked strongly familiar the
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: teacher of her near death experience, and it was the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: cover for Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramhansa Yoga Nada.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: She began meditation after reading this book, and it would
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: become the most important thing for her recovery. In nineteen
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: ninety six that a true case offered a glimpse into
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: the possibility of her memories being real, and it wasn't
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: until she moved back to New York City in nineteen
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: ninety seven that she found a therapist who was new
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: to Satanic ritual but not blind to it. In an
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: article by Global Citizen Onnica shared that Michel Nahuel, the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: man who nearly tortured her to death, became a defendant
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: in the True case, and it was believed that it
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: would blow up the belgianal network, but instead, eight years later,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: only to True received a life sentence, Michel was only
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: convicted of fraud and forgery. Only then did Honaica really
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: start her healing journey, but not without challenges or with
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: a sense of validity and an ability to bring the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: light in. So did Anaica's accounts really happen? There are
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: some who believe that Honica Lucas's story isn't credible. And
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: we say this lightly, not disregarding an account of a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: person's entual trauma. This is just informative, not to support
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: an opinion of this podcast. I fully believe Anica, and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: there's a lot that we could get into here, but
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: this is already a really long podcast. So there's a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: lot of people out there who don't believe Anica Lucas,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: and they want to shoot her down. They want to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: tell her that she's crazy, that this never happened, that
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: she made up these stories. I've studied so much of
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: these rings, and I believe Anica. I believe this is
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: a horrific, horrific thing, and this is very real. You
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: can't have all these people coming out and saying this
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: stuff was happening if it didn't happen, but not to
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: our conclusion. In the interview with the Flemish language station VTM,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: serial killer Mark de True admitted that he had been
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: part of a wider Belgian predator network, but he said
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: that the justice system just didn't want to pursue it.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: There is a well grounded predator ring, Mark said, I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: maintained regular contact with people in this ring. However, the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: law does not want to investigate this lead. This was
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: supposedly the same network that Onnica was a part of,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: but unfortunately I was unable to find any more information
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: regarded the dismissal of the lead that the True presented
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: of the network to the police. It really does seem,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: as we've talked about with the True many times now,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: that no one wanted to look into this. In her
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: book Quest for Love, Onnaka related this information as well,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: stating that quote. In nineteen ninety six, Mark de True
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: told the press he was a small cog in a
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: giant wheel, and alluded to his protection by highly placed
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: government officials. The New York Times reported about the deadly
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: pornography ring. It appeared as though the entire world was
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: about to learn all about the network into which I
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: had been sold as a child. I learned about that
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: the true case in a New York Times article, when
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: the chief investigator, who had promised that it strop public
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this, was fired for
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: partiality because he had eaten a plate of spaghetti had
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: a fundraiser for victims. This sincere judge's dismissal sent more
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: than three hundred thousand people into the streets of Belgium
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: in what was termed the White Marches, protesting government corruption
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: in the wake of the child murders. Then, in two
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: thousand and four, eight years after Detrue was apprehended, when
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the case went to trial, the network had been forgotten
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: about by international media. Previous reports about a larger network
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: were ignored, and the single perpetrator theory was widely embraced.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: In an interview with Kai Krutzfeldt, Anka shared that she
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: decided to share her story first in twenty thirteen to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: face the inevitable attacks on her person and went public
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: with her story. She didn't seek the press, but instead
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: answered a question from a journalist interviewing her about her
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: work in prisons. In twenty seventeen, Anaka did a ten
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: X talk in Klagenfort in which she spoke about her
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: life in the elite Predator network and what she learned
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: during her extensive trauma. In twenty twenty two, Onnica Lucas
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: published from memoir Quest for Love Memoir of a Slave.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Much of our information presented today can be attributed to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: this book. Honaka shared in an interview with The Courage
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: to Change in twenty twenty three that she went on
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: to found a group for trafficked women.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I started a group for trafficked women, well a lot
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: of those women. And the reason I started that particular
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: program that was together with the Department of Health in fact,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: was that the women were caught. They were picked up
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: by the police and then they were jailed. But they
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: were only picked up because they were refusing to name
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: their traffickers really or their pimps. So the Department of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Health was saying that obviously they don't trust doctors, they
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: don't trust most people. So I started a program with
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: those women to help them get out of the system altogether,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: because most of them. There was not a single woman
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: there that was just a six worker because she wanted
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: to do that. They were all his children. So many
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: had started to be trafficked right from the foster system,
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  Speaker 2: so they were all trafficking victims.
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  Speaker 1: Anica continues to do work in this manner to this day,
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  Speaker 1: advocating for vulnerable populations.
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  Speaker 2: Children are the most vulnerable of our population. We want
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  Speaker 2: to create a society where children will be safe, where
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  Speaker 2: children will have a community around them. Every child deserves safety.
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  Speaker 2: No child deserves what I went through and what millions
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: of children each day go through. But unfortunately, the way
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  Speaker 2: the system is right now, that is part of the system.
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  Speaker 2: As women, we have so much potential to be truly
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  Speaker 2: empowered by feeling into everything that we as women endure.
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  Speaker 2: That gives us more strength than anyone, all that pain,
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  Speaker 2: behind all that powerlessness and that humiliation, really feeling into
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  Speaker 2: what was done to me, really understanding that it wasn't me.
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  Speaker 2: That at the end of the day, I'm okay, I
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  Speaker 2: was a child, I was being victimized. It wasn't my fault.
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  Speaker 1: Will leave you with a quote from the introduction of
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  Speaker 1: Onnoica's memoir, quote, Elite paglia is the world's best protected secret.
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  Speaker 1: And it makes sense because the perpetrators need to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that you, the reader, will never focus on them. They
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  Speaker 1: prefer that we all keep busy with the many distractions
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  Speaker 1: they throw at us to keep us divided, dysfunctional siblings
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  Speaker 1: of the global family with psychopaths and narcissists for parents.
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  Speaker 1: We should do anything but look to the source of
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  Speaker 1: Western society's ills, which is the utter selfishness of the leadership,
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  Speaker 1: so extreme that it's an emotional disease, of which symptoms
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: such as heartlessness and superiority turn its hosts into monsters.
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  Speaker 1: Those who do what it takes to belong to the
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  Speaker 1: power establishment are the most lost, the most emotionally infantile,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: the most broken, and the most evil among us. They
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  Speaker 1: do not deserve our trust, our confidence, our acceptance of
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: their political savvy and expertise, or our admiration for their
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: power or wealth. It is all smoke and mirrors. If
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  Speaker 1: we can absorb the reality that many of the most
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: rich and famous reap and kill children with impunity. How
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: can we possibly continue arguing and vilifying each other over
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: differences of opinion? Holy guys, that was an incredibly long episode.
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  Speaker 1: You can find Anica Lucas on social media. I would
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: highly recommend supporting her by buying a copy of her book,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: which is absolutely incredible. It's such a sad, empowering, disturbing,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: horrific read. If you want to continue with Anika's story, Anka,
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  Speaker 1: if you're out there watching list, I really hope that
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I've done your story justice. I'd love to talk to
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: you and do an interview with you one day, because
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: I'm here to help and I'm here to do whatever
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: I can to blast this information out into the world.
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  Speaker 1: To everybody who has been watching, I don't know if
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: it's afternoon, evening morning. This is so long that you
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: probably started listening in the morning and it's now like midnight.
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  Speaker 1: But thank you to everybody who supports the work on
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: this channel. Please be sure to like, comment and subscribe
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: to the channel. Comments and likes help boost the interaction
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: and how YouTube pushes this stuff out. And yeah, thank
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  Speaker 1: you guys so much. We will be back next week
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  Speaker 1: with another story. As always, stay suspicious, keep that tinfoil
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  Speaker 1: hat on, and we'll catch you next week.