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- 3:18front of his wife and be in the groom.
- 3:21Do you remember any of that? Does the defendant have any
- 3:24priors? Resisting arrest?
- 3:26DUI. Assault.
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- 4:03careful. We came back and they spat on us
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- 4:08No celebrations. You can't pretend like you have
- 4:12any idea what it's like to be in combat.
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- 4:40It's hard to believe. My enemy is the man I used to.
- 4:46Be you wonder, where's my tribe? And I ain't talking about no
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- 4:55What is it that you truly want, Calvin?
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- 6:48What does the life after service look like?
- 6:52Kicking back, taking it easy. We believe it looks a little
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- 6:59veterans, helping shape policies to make certain they get the
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- 8:13I get to do a show live with somebody who I've met a long
- 8:16time ago. And if you're in the Boston area
- 8:19or if you're into photography and news and media, he is a true
- 8:24legend and it's just a special day.
- 8:27This is a great way to take a day off and have some fun.
- 8:32I'm just so excited right now. I can barely contain myself.
- 8:34But calm down. I am with Pulitzer Prize winner,
- 8:40Boston Glove photographer and current project manager for his
- 8:44new project about veterans. We'll get into that.
- 8:46Bill Brett and his can I call you a sidekick?
- 8:49Sure. Sidekick Paul Doyle, who is an
- 8:53artist in his own right with poetry and other things and
- 8:55keeping Bill in line. Gentlemen, welcome to OM radio.
- 9:00It's great to be here with you both.
- 9:03I I have, you know, when I first moved to Massachusetts and I'd
- 9:07get the Globe on Sundays, I would see your work in the
- 9:10Boston Globe. And this is before digital
- 9:13cameras really got going. I'm like, how does he do that?
- 9:15Because I'm doing to just get the the shots steady.
- 9:19That's that's still where I'm at.
- 9:21But as I've gone on, I saw that you were out in the community
- 9:24more and more. So just for the my my guests and
- 9:28people watching, kind of tell us how you got into photography.
- 9:31And then we'll go into this amazing book about Boston
- 9:35veterans. Well, I started very young.
- 9:38I was in high school. I started a camera club in high
- 9:41school as one of the founders and from high school days I, my
- 9:46brother Harry came back from Germany and he served in the
- 9:49army and he brought it back a Agfa camera.
- 9:53It was a, one of the first film cameras that I was able to use.
- 9:56I was told just to look at it and I, I, I, I handled it well.
- 10:01And a friend of mine introduced me to his dad and he purchased a
- 10:05beautiful Rolly Flex camera and I ended up using that and I had
- 10:10a nice Yoshika camera. The difference between Yoshika
- 10:14and Rolly Flex. Rolly Flex was a Cadillac,
- 10:17Musica was a Chevy. So I went up, I went up a couple
- 10:21of grades and to get out of high school, I was very fortunate to
- 10:26get on as a part time photographer at the Boston
- 10:28Globe. And by the time I was 20, I was
- 10:31I was had a full time job and I was the youngest.
- 10:34I was like a kid there because most of the men, it was all men
- 10:37at the time served in Korea. A lot of them were Korean,
- 10:41Korean. Some were what, 2 guys and I was
- 10:45just that kid that used to get coffee for them and I was The
- 10:48Apprentice. And from there I just want
- 10:51everything just mushroom for me. Over the years.
- 10:54I was very fortunate to cover some.
- 10:56I was 18 years old. I covered JFK's funeral in
- 11:00Washington, DC and I never left Dorchester where I grew up.
- 11:04I mean that was amazing story. And as I went through life, I
- 11:08was I was able I had a front row seat of history.
- 11:13They covered some major events, you know, snowstorms, we will
- 11:15series, you name it, inaugurations, the Pope
- 11:21inaugurate when the red the Scott, no log at his Red Hat and
- 11:26Rome. I was there for that.
- 11:28I was just, you know, I was there for a lot of a lot of
- 11:30beautiful events. And I was very lucky because I
- 11:33every day was a gift. I never.
- 11:36It was a front row seat of history and as I tell my
- 11:39children, if you find what you love, you don't go to work.
- 11:41And that's how it was with me, and every day was a blessing.
- 11:45So you've loved it from day one. From day one, yeah, from day
- 11:48one. And my whole career was at the
- 11:51Boston Globe and you know, I had to actually had just been
- 11:55published just recently, my 60th year, I had a photograph
- 11:58published in the Boston Globe. I don't think there's anybody in
- 12:01the Globe that can never say that they were published 60
- 12:04years. And these are pictures that
- 12:07where I've taken a party lines, there's a feature I started in
- 12:11the Globe, I started a social column in the Globe, and then I
- 12:14started the a wedding album in the Globe.
- 12:17I mean, I was really lucky because they gave me a lot of
- 12:20freedom to do what I wanted to do.
- 12:22And as a result, I met some wonderful people.
- 12:24And as I said earlier, the front row seat.
- 12:27And when I took an early retirement, I had 38 years on
- 12:31the staff and then just didn't go.
- 12:33They kept signing me contracts for other events and I was just
- 12:37able to document. My first book was 20 years ago
- 12:42and I've got 8 of them since then.
- 12:44People of Boston, men and women, all walks of life.
- 12:48And I think it's important to document these men and women
- 12:50because they've done some wonderful things.
- 12:52And my the latest book that I'm out with now is it's a salute to
- 12:57the veterans, the men and women who served our country.
- 13:00And it started off as a project and end up as a mission.
- 13:04And it was one of the most joyous times of my life because
- 13:07to listen to some of these men stories that they and women,
- 13:11what they had to tell me, it was just fascinating.
- 13:14And I was very lucky. I had the, as I call it, my
- 13:16sidekick Paul Doyle, who was able to be with me for this
- 13:21journey. And he loved interviewing these
- 13:24people. And I'm all done. 10 minutes, 15
- 13:28minutes, my photo shoot. And I had to say, Paul, we're
- 13:31ready to go. Yeah, Just give me another
- 13:32minute. And that was a full time job
- 13:34kind of yanking him out. So who was managing who, Paul,
- 13:38Because you all took a picture of me.
- 13:40It's it's, it's actually in the book.
- 13:43And, you know, you come over and you do this.
- 13:48I didn't know what's going to happen.
- 13:50And I thought you're going to go this way and you want a
- 13:52different kind of look. But you really started building
- 13:56the bridge between the veterans, and that's before Bill got
- 13:58there. How did you get involved with
- 14:00Bill in the first place? Well, we, we were having coffee
- 14:03one day at at Dunkin' Donuts in Weymouth and Bill said nobody.
- 14:08I said to him, what are you doing today?
- 14:09He says I have actually have to take a ride up to Beverly and I
- 14:13have to interview this guy and take a picture of this guy.
- 14:15I'm doing a book on veterans. He said, you want to take a
- 14:18ride? I said sure, I'll take a ride.
- 14:21And off we went. And we I think it was an
- 14:23assisted living place. And the fellow's name where Bill
- 14:27was in the photograph was the name was Larry Kirby.
- 14:29He was on, it was in the Marine Corps in, in the 19441945 in the
- 14:34Pacific. And we got there and he
- 14:36recognized who we were right away because Bill had the camera
- 14:39around him and he was across the room and he came marching
- 14:42across. Look at this guy's night was 93.
- 14:45And so I shook hands. He gave me a firm handshake and
- 14:49we got the photo. And I started asking him some
- 14:52questions and, and, and turned out he was, he was on Guam and
- 14:57he, he received a Silver Star on Guam.
- 15:01And then he came back and then he went back again and fought on
- 15:04Iwo and received a Purple Heart on Iwo Jima.
- 15:08And out of 200 men in his group battalion, there was only 8 that
- 15:12survived and, and he was one of them.
- 15:15And when we finished and we came back and we got in the car and
- 15:19heading back to Weymouth, I said, Bill, you got any more of
- 15:22these? And, and that's how it started.
- 15:25And three years later, it was a a joy, what a joy that was to
- 15:30interview and research and do all and some of the nicest,
- 15:33greatest people I've ever known. Just wonderful.
- 15:38We met at a book signing. Oh, that's right.
- 15:42A long time. I did.
- 15:43I, I, I was with the Irish Cultural Center in Canton and I
- 15:47did all the author readings and signings for a number of years.
- 15:50And, and I got billed down several times.
- 15:53And there was earlier books and we hit it off.
- 15:57We got friendly. And that was 25 years ago or so,
- 16:01you know, close to it. And yeah, yeah, we we have.
- 16:05So this is not a small book. No, it's the biggest book I've
- 16:10ever done. Like this, this has heft to it
- 16:12like, you know, oh, it's. 4 lbs Four pounds.
- 16:15Well-being the Marine that I am, I'm like, you know, I could put
- 16:18this on my coffee table and if an intruder came in.
- 16:22I give you this as a weapon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 16:24But I'm looking at this book and there's some people here I
- 16:27recognize and I just. What was it like going through
- 16:32making your list and then bringing their story to life
- 16:36through? Film it started off slow and
- 16:38then the word get out to a lot of people through Facebook and
- 16:43Instagram that I was looking for veterans in the Boston area S
- 16:48northwest that served our country.
- 16:51I didn't we didn't put specifics.
- 16:53You know, where do they serve. It was just if they'd like to
- 16:55participate into this book and it just kept growing.
- 16:59It just kept growing. Somebody would tell me about
- 17:02him, her and then I'd go visit the one.
- 17:04And there were some that backed out.
- 17:06They didn't want to be in the book.
- 17:08My my own brother Harry served in Germany and he didn't want
- 17:12to. But he said I will help you get
- 17:14people for the book. But I'm not really.
- 17:17He's a very quiet guy. He just wasn't him.
- 17:19I said it's OK. But I did trick him.
- 17:21He's in the acknowledgement. So I got his name in the book
- 17:23anyhow. And it was just when I meet
- 17:27somebody, some backed out for different reasons.
- 17:30And when I get to talk to him, I understood and I'd say to the
- 17:34word appreciation means thank you.
- 17:36That's all I'm doing. That's an appreciation book.
- 17:38And once people understood that I did XM out, it made it easier
- 17:43because they they felt better about it, you know, and, you
- 17:47know, like some of the men said to me, I don't know if I belong
- 17:50in a book or Medal of Honor recipients or Silver Star
- 17:52recipients. Well, to win a war to be in the
- 17:56everybody has to participate. Not everybody as a general, not
- 17:59everybody would say, you know, would not win award at the Medal
- 18:02of Honor. And it's like a company, when
- 18:05you build a company from the top, you just have a good CEO.
- 18:07But if he doesn't have a good team down below, he doesn't make
- 18:09it. And the military's the same way.
- 18:12You know, it has a we're all looking at it after each other
- 18:15because we want to make this successful.
- 18:17And as I talked to different men and this and women, Melody Cox,
- 18:21who just passed away recently, I mean, I was so inspired
- 18:24listening to this woman. I mean, she was 100 when I
- 18:26photographed her. I mean, just an amazing woman
- 18:30that had a great story to tell. And, you know, then the oldest
- 18:33person on Pearl Harbor is in the book.
- 18:36He's 106, lives on the Cape and there's only 10 left of of from
- 18:41Pearl Harbor. He's the oldest.
- 18:43Oh, wow. Yeah.
- 18:44I mean, it's amazing. And some of these men and women.
- 18:47And I went down to him. I gave him a book.
- 18:50I presented a book to him about a month and a half.
- 18:52And I went to his house and it was like he couldn't believe it.
- 18:55He says I'm in the book. You made the book.
- 18:57It goes like this. And I opened the page for the
- 19:00book and he was it tears in his eyes.
- 19:02It was very moving. And he said, I don't know how to
- 19:05thank you. And there was one example,
- 19:08General. It was a Captain Tom Kelly is
- 19:12the reception of Medal of Honor. And he called me a week ago.
- 19:16He was in Duxbury at a friend's house.
- 19:18And he gave him this book and he called me and he was so moved on
- 19:21the phone. He said he's the only one alive
- 19:23in Massachusetts. And he was there with Tom Hudna,
- 19:26who was the the with him. He passed away a couple of years
- 19:29now and he was so inspired. I mean, he made me feel so good.
- 19:33And he says the nicest project that I mean, anything I can do
- 19:35to help you with this book, I'll be with you.
- 19:38I mean, coming from a man of, of what he's been through and very
- 19:42low gay guy, he's from Somerville, you know, it's just
- 19:45amazing. One of the things that I, I just
- 19:49want to go back is, is you're doing this and you're, you're
- 19:51mobile, you have to go to people's houses.
- 19:55Photographer, photographers are going to want to know like what
- 19:58kit do you use and how do you haul your equipment to get the
- 20:02shot that you want? Is there?
- 20:04Are you still refining your your, your, your craft?
- 20:07When I go into a house, I have to look around.
- 20:10I was where the light is coming from, what's in the background,
- 20:14you know, I study where I am. It's a it's committed to look it
- 20:17over. And once I feel like there's the
- 20:19picture and Paul was with me many times with the reflector.
- 20:23Yeah, reflector was always good because it kept the window, the
- 20:26light, give me more light into the subject.
- 20:28And I wanted the Moody pictures, you know, I wanted something
- 20:31that these people are going to remember.
- 20:33And I'm I'm pretty quick at it because I can size it up fast
- 20:37what I want to do. We we took a photo.
- 20:39Bill took the photo of of Paul McLaughlin.
- 20:42He was a retired Boston Police Department, a bomb squad
- 20:46detective. And we went out there and they
- 20:49he's retired, but they drove out the bomb squad truck and there
- 20:53were two young cops there on the bomb squad.
- 20:56And I had this reflector in my hand.
- 20:59And Bill kept saying you got to catch the light, you got to
- 21:02catch the light. And I said, Bill, I'm trying.
- 21:04And this, when I first started with him, I'm trying.
- 21:07And one of the young cops. Maybe if you turned it around to
- 21:10the reflecting side, it might. Get a light.
- 21:13And I said I was just testing you guys.
- 21:15I'll. Observe it to work.
- 21:17I'll observe it. Yeah.
- 21:19Yeah, that was fun. He was a, he was a Marine, Yeah,
- 21:22he was a Marine and he was a debt dater in, in Vietnam.
- 21:24Bango Bango, Paul McLaughlin. Great guy.
- 21:27And now he continued his whole career in the Boston Police and
- 21:30the bomb squad. Yeah.
- 21:31Yeah, yeah. Is there anything else you did?
- 21:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was an interesting group of
- 21:37men and women. When I came to their home, some
- 21:41of them had a lot of people in there that went in, in Hull.
- 21:44It was like it was, you would think that I was the president
- 21:47was coming to their house to take their picture.
- 21:50When these men said to me, you come to take my picture, I mean,
- 21:54they were like honored because nobody ever took my picture.
- 21:57I mean, it was nice. It was a nice feeling.
- 22:00Well, for me, I'm like, why does a Pulitzer Prize winner, Boston
- 22:05Globe photographer with a storied history want to come and
- 22:08take a picture of me? I, I didn't believe it.
- 22:11I'm like, there's just come on. Well, the Pulitzer Prize was I
- 22:17was part of a team. It wasn't just me.
- 22:18It was a whole team we wanted for.
- 22:21And actually twice. I was nominated twice.
- 22:23And it was when I think of, you know, the things that I was
- 22:28nominated and I did win. I'm the youngest photographer,
- 22:31the youngest and oldest, as they call the Ransdell Trophy.
- 22:34It's a spot news. It's given to the best picture.
- 22:38And I was 20 years old when I won it and I was 55 when I won
- 22:42it. So I'm the oldest and youngest
- 22:43to win, to win the Ransdell Trophy.
- 22:46And that's, that's pretty good. But this is where the teamwork
- 22:49came in because Paul's like, hey, you know, we, we've met, I
- 22:53met you guys in Somerset, you know, taking pictures of the
- 22:56veterans down there for the breakfast.
- 22:58We've met at the New England Centre and Home for Veterans
- 23:01Gala. You've come through there and
- 23:02taken pictures a couple times and other events.
- 23:05And you're like, you've got a voice.
- 23:07We want to capture the essence of that.
- 23:09And you know, to your point, Paul, I'm thinking, OK, he's
- 23:12going to want to take a picture this way.
- 23:14I I got all set up. No, no, no, I don't like the
- 23:16light. We're going to take it this way.
- 23:18I'm like, really? And now look at him like, OK,
- 23:20yeah, he was right. You know that's the.
- 23:22Well, light makes it is very important, you know, factor in
- 23:26making a good photograph. You got to have the the
- 23:27lighting, if you get the right lighting, any other subjects
- 23:31that works with you, like and Saul, you know, Saul, the light
- 23:35was just just, it's in the book. It's just barely hitting his
- 23:38face, just his eyes. And it tells a story and you
- 23:42look at it and people are going to say, what is this guy?
- 23:44Great photographs. Yeah, it's, there's some nice
- 23:46photographs in there that have made me very proud.
- 23:50And you know, this General Dunford, I have to give him
- 23:53credit. He said to me, Bill, he says
- 23:55you're going to be inundated with a Marine Corps luncheon.
- 23:57There's one of them that people would because you know, a lot of
- 24:00these men. Why didn't I make the book?
- 24:03And I thought you and I were friends.
- 24:05And your answer is I called you and left you a message and walk
- 24:09away. The only times I had to use that
- 24:11expression. I use it every day, people say.
- 24:13They got going. They got going and they say, and
- 24:16I'll never forget the Marine Corps Lynch and this one, Jimmy
- 24:19Wise, he was a Marine and he's sitting at the table and when I
- 24:23have friends and he's, he gets up and he says, Bill, how come I
- 24:27didn't make the book? Oh, a couple of the other guys
- 24:29sitting here. So I thought he's a friend of
- 24:30yours. He is.
- 24:32I thought he was my friend. So I said to Jimmy, I called you
- 24:35and I left you a message and I walk away and they're all
- 24:37saying, well, he called you. I mean, it's up to you.
- 24:40And I said that so many times works.
- 24:43Even today we read the Globe and there's a lot of veterans in
- 24:48there that have passed away and, and Bill would say to me, I'd
- 24:51say to him, how do we miss this guy here?
- 24:53How do we miss this person? But there's so many.
- 24:56Yeah, there's so many, but there's less and less of World
- 24:59War Two guys now. It's only a handful now around
- 25:01here. There's not many of them, but.
- 25:02One thing I want to ask you, growing up in Dorchester and
- 25:05South Boston and, and being from this area and I didn't grow up
- 25:09here, is I moved here and I was surprised at the sheer number of
- 25:14people from this area of Massachusetts.
- 25:17This area is a country who served our country.
- 25:20Big, big time. It's a.
- 25:21What? What do you think that is?
- 25:23I don't know. You know, it's interesting now,
- 25:24Dorchester there wasn't the best thing.
- 25:26I know there's nobody that became a general in Dorchester.
- 25:30Quincy had nine of them, nine people, if they grew up in the
- 25:33city of Quincy, which is small, nine men became, you know, the
- 25:37generals, you know, Admiral or general.
- 25:38I mean, I don't know. It's a good question.
- 25:41You know, that they were able to to gravitate to this down South
- 25:44Boston, 29 men at the Gold Star Park in Vietnam, Most of them
- 25:50were Marines. And there's a picture in there.
- 25:53I invited all the ones who served from South Boston and how
- 25:57many showed. Up.
- 25:58Oh, that was 30. The 40 of them all showed up,
- 26:00who all went there and came home.
- 26:03It's in the picture That's a great.
- 26:04It's a nice picture of these men and women and it's just
- 26:08fascinating. I, I don't know what the answer
- 26:09is on that because when I, when I talked to the like Tommy Lyons
- 26:13and he started this thing, you know, it just kept mushrooming.
- 26:16I remember him telling me about this 40 years ago, him and a
- 26:19group of guys, two or three guys were going to put a monument
- 26:22over there and that just mushroomed, you know, and, and
- 26:25Tommy Lyons is only a corporal, but he's got the best roll decks
- 26:29of any corporal in the military or his serves or whatever it is.
- 26:32He can call the general up tomorrow, you know, like an
- 26:34Admiral, whatever it is. And they usually get back to.
- 26:37Him and oh usually yeah, they do they better.
- 26:39They better. Yeah.
- 26:41Yeah, I know he, he does some good things.
- 26:44And he he's very proud of, you know what He served.
- 26:47And a lot of his buddies never made it back from the class.
- 26:50You know the high school class, all from South Boston High
- 26:53School. You, you take all these pictures
- 26:56to create this, this gift, this gift of appreciation.
- 27:00I got to wonder though, like, like out of all the thousands of
- 27:04pictures you took, how did you all decide which ones to
- 27:07actually put in the book? Well, that was it took time.
- 27:11We have AI had a great designer thought I had a designer, a
- 27:17writer, an editor, you know, we tried to narrow it down to the
- 27:23best and some of them didn't make the book because we lost a
- 27:27few. There was power surge and and a
- 27:30on the computer. So there's maybe about 5 that
- 27:33should have been there, but they, they disappeared and it
- 27:36was hard to, you know what we had so many, they could fall
- 27:40through the cracks and we were able to, we went back and forth
- 27:46on it. You know, which ones we're going
- 27:47to use because of why? And it was, you know, I want to
- 27:52mix it up. I didn't want them all from
- 27:53Dortch, just out of South Boston to quit Quincy, wherever they're
- 27:56from. I tried a geographic, you know,
- 27:58but a book about men and women from different areas of the, of
- 28:01the Commonwealth And I went back and forth.
- 28:05I, I have Sean Goss is my lab man.
- 28:07And he was like, well, you should make this one bigger
- 28:10because he's more important. Well, they're all important.
- 28:12That was the whole thing. And but some of the bigger ones,
- 28:16because graphically they were nicer pictures and some of these
- 28:19people photographed better than than the other person.
- 28:23So to get them all in there in the book at at some point, I had
- 28:27to shut it down because it's 284 pages.
- 28:29I. Can tell by the size of the.
- 28:31Book I said this thing has got this thing.
- 28:33I'll have a cloud I. Could have been 8 lbs.
- 28:35I could have been 8 lbs. Yeah.
- 28:37This is a. And, and the The thing is, and
- 28:39it's in conjunction with the 250th anniversary of our
- 28:42country. So the timing was good.
- 28:44I actually wanted it last year, but, you know, it got a slow
- 28:48process, but it came out this year, which I was thrilled.
- 28:51You know, it's like it's a celebration of the country and
- 28:54it's a celebration, you know, thank you to the military.
- 28:57So, I mean, I was really honored to do it and it was good.
- 29:01I mean, I have no complaints. It's been of all the books I've
- 29:04done this, this is going to be the best seller.
- 29:06This thing is moving quick if different people want me to
- 29:09speak and you know, they want you hand a book to him.
- 29:12I hear, oh, I got to get off my brother, my uncle.
- 29:14I say that's just which is great because everybody has a story to
- 29:18tell about a military person and and they lost 20 of them have
- 29:23passed away since the project started.
- 29:26The average age was late 90s and and the first question the
- 29:33family would tell me or ask the question with my grandfather, my
- 29:36uncle, does he still make the book?
- 29:38He photographed and he was made the book.
- 29:40He made the book. And I said, and they were so
- 29:43thrilled. That would be a piece of history
- 29:44for our family. Well, that's the thing, history.
- 29:47You know, I think about this project as I'm looking at it,
- 29:49and I always wish we could have gotten more stories from World
- 29:53War One veterans. Yeah, I don't see any of them.
- 29:56I, you know, they had to find they're gone.
- 29:58They're gone, but there's also very few stories about them.
- 30:01And Korean War Veterans are hard to.
- 30:05And so I try to tell veterans I talked to that, hey, to your
- 30:09point, you all matter. Your story is is is extremely
- 30:13valuable. So how did you sometimes bridge
- 30:16that gap? Because some of us don't want to
- 30:18talk about it at all. Well, that was a problem.
- 30:21There were actually, there's a poem that I wrote that's in the
- 30:26book at the beginning and it says, and part of it, one of the
- 30:30lines reads, a lot of them came back and we're ready to talk
- 30:33about it. And then there were others.
- 30:35It was very rare and I was fortunate enough to get some
- 30:40stories from a lot of these. That the families.
- 30:42Didn't know that the families didn't know.
- 30:44They opened up. And some of these would tell
- 30:46tell me because I was sincere. I was truly interested in the
- 30:50but there were others who just went about.
- 30:53They came, they went out, they did their job, they came back.
- 30:55They didn't look upon themselves as anybody special or
- 30:58extraordinary, came back, raised their kids, grandkids and and
- 31:03moved on with their life. And, and, and, and when I think
- 31:06about some of these stories, they tell me and I say to
- 31:10myself, how, how do you do that? But they did the Greatest
- 31:15Generation. It really was the greatest
- 31:17generation they were able to do. That in all the wars, including
- 31:19Vietnam and Korea and and even the Middle East, you know.
- 31:23Yeah, well, the Middle East, they, you know, they went
- 31:25through, they all went through something.
- 31:27And as I, you know, when I talked to these men and women, I
- 31:30go, it's amazing how they, you know, they're functioning, they
- 31:34function. They had families, as you said,
- 31:35you know, and they had, some of them had great careers.
- 31:39But when we started to talk to some of them, no, I don't
- 31:43remember to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it,
- 31:45you know? And then all of a sudden they
- 31:46start talking, you know, and the families would be in the other
- 31:50room. They're all looking through the
- 31:51door. The grandfather thought, what is
- 31:53he saying? And they'd say to me, I didn't
- 31:57know anything about that. Have you gotten any feedback
- 32:01from Say, You Know, so you have a grandfather who's telling the
- 32:04story, that child and their grandkids, you know, hey, you
- 32:09know, Bill Paul, I got the book and I read the story.
- 32:12And like, I didn't know that about my grandparent.
- 32:15Yeah, I've had that said to me. Yeah, yeah, I've had a few of
- 32:17them say that to me. And they, they were so proud
- 32:20that their grandfather, grandmother, grandparents are
- 32:23going to be in the book. And now we can have it for our
- 32:26generation, for my children, so I can have a show with their
- 32:29father. Grandfather went through and it
- 32:31was just an interesting time with some of them because they,
- 32:35you know, some of them just didn't want to talk.
- 32:37And we were able to. Paul, the way he's handled them,
- 32:40he handled them so well that they, they wanted to tell their
- 32:43story and nobody asked them about us.
- 32:45You know, we were there to ask them and photograph them.
- 32:49Now you, you know now ladies and gentlemen, Paul is a very
- 32:52talented poet. Got a chance to read some of his
- 32:56poetry. Where did that come?
- 32:57Where did that part of you come from?
- 32:59That's funny, you I don't know, I have no idea.
- 33:02I just I started writing some things a few years back and, and
- 33:08as I said recently to you before we came on air that I've been
- 33:11having stumbling a little writer's block lately and but I
- 33:16I don't know. And a lot of them were well
- 33:18received and some weren't, but I don't know, I just thought I, I,
- 33:23I'd like doing it. And I was never, I never wrote
- 33:26anything before. And it like, and I wrote when I
- 33:29was writing the captions, you know, with Bill's book.
- 33:33And I said, I kind of like doing that.
- 33:36And I said maybe I could put a few things together.
- 33:38And, and I wrote that poem on veterans appreciation and that's
- 33:42came out OK. And I started writing out and I
- 33:45did a couple of World War, I did a World War 2 poem and the World
- 33:49War One poem and Veterans Home, come home, you know, veterans
- 33:54and and then a lot of other humorous stuff.
- 33:56I try to write a lot of humorous stuff.
- 33:58They started off with four pages, end up at 60.
- 34:01I said just you'll have to do that.
- 34:03Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, as I said, General
- 34:05Dunfit was kind enough to do a beautiful forward Admiral Hall.
- 34:09Are you familiar with Admiral Hall?
- 34:11He's from New York. He he has a podcast.
- 34:14He was decorated. He was in Chad here.
- 34:17I think he was the commander of the USS Eisenhower for a while
- 34:20and he had some big commands and he, he asked my, my daughter was
- 34:25friendly with them and he said I'd be more than happy to do a
- 34:27blurb. He's in the back of the book.
- 34:30And I told him that, you know, General Dunford, he said you
- 34:32don't need me. Is, is an interesting man.
- 34:37He's got a podcast. He's got over 1,000,000 people
- 34:39followers. Yeah.
- 34:41I mean, he's been doing this for a while.
- 34:43It's all over the country. General Dunford wrote a
- 34:44beautiful. They did a beautiful and the
- 34:49dedication is to my late wife who passed away, that my
- 34:52granddaughter who's 22 now, when her parents got divorced, she
- 34:58lived with us for a number of years back and forth, back and
- 35:00forth. And she did this dedication to
- 35:02my wife because she felt that my wife was more than a
- 35:06grandmother. She was like a mother to a tall.
- 35:08I mean, they were very close. And she passed away say recently
- 35:12and my wife got to see the dedication, just beautiful and
- 35:16all the kids were in the room and she's reading the
- 35:18dedication. And I said to my wife, this book
- 35:21got delayed because Morgan, her name was Morgan Hurley, wants to
- 35:25wanted to do 2 more pages about you and my wife's laying there.
- 35:28Oh, that's plenty. That's plenty, you know.
- 35:32So let's just say I'm in a bookstore or at a book sign.
- 35:36I see this book, Boston Veterans Appreciation and I didn't serve
- 35:41and I have no family connection at all, but I pick it up and I
- 35:46start going through it. What do you want that person to
- 35:49see or feel as they're looking at your?
- 35:51I think that person will be surprised what information is in
- 35:55there about even though they don't have any family and the
- 35:59military, I think they'll get a good feel for it and say, wow,
- 36:02these men and women went through, we have to thank them.
- 36:05I mean, I think I've, I've talked to several people who
- 36:09have no family in the military and they have the book and they
- 36:13said it was just so inspiring to read about these men and women
- 36:16and thanking them because they made it possible.
- 36:19So we can walk around in freedom.
- 36:21And sometimes we take it very lightly that, you know, that's
- 36:24like nothing. But it is important, you know,
- 36:27and it's important to know your history and the schools.
- 36:30I've been invited to a couple of high school classes after the
- 36:34Labor Day that they have classes.
- 36:36I was surprised, you know, and it's called veterans
- 36:38appreciation classes to talk about the veterans.
- 36:42And they asked me when I come and talk about the book.
- 36:46And I mean, I'm really, I'm moved by some of these young
- 36:50people that want to know about it right now.
- 36:52They know nothing about it. But as I tell them, I tell one
- 36:55of the teachers when I finish the class, they'll know
- 36:58something about it. Well, I've always believed
- 37:00that's important because they're going to be making laws or going
- 37:03to be decided about veterans, you know, benefits and issues.
- 37:06Or if we go to war and I find that they're hungry for it,
- 37:10almost. Yeah, but I asked General Dunn
- 37:14for the question. I said if something at war, at
- 37:16the conflict has, you know, hit us tomorrow, will the young
- 37:20people be ready like the people of World War 2 Korea?
- 37:24He said they'd be ready. First thing you do is throw the
- 37:26phone away. They'll be ready.
- 37:28Yeah, they said. Yeah, they'll be ready.
- 37:30And he should know. Yeah.
- 37:32I mean, he's been there for a number of conflicts and it's.
- 37:35Now remind me, Jim Dunford's from this area, correct?
- 37:37He grew up in Quincy. Oh, wow.
- 37:39Yeah, he's a Quincy guy. He went to PC High.
- 37:41He's a local kid and lives in Marshfield now.
- 37:44And his father was in Korea and his brother Michael was in not
- 37:47Vietnam. And he's not that old.
- 37:50Yeah, yeah. Afghanistan.
- 37:53That's a relative military family.
- 37:56And as it went, quick story, I, I knew the father.
- 37:59He was a Superintendent of Boston police for years.
- 38:02He's Joe also and I was at his house in Marshfield and I said
- 38:07to the general, I have a nice picture of, you know you.
- 38:10I have a nice picture of, of, of the dad.
- 38:14And he says to me, do you know what?
- 38:16It'd be like the World War Three around here?
- 38:19I don't know. Where was he going with this?
- 38:21What is, I mean, I don't quite understand what the question is.
- 38:24He said, is those two pictures getting in the book without my
- 38:28brother Michael, that'd be World War Three.
- 38:31Well, I didn't know Michael. I'd never met him until that
- 38:33time and Michael appeared in the book picture Dad, Michael and
- 38:39Joe. I said I'm not here to Cosgrove
- 38:421 three but way he said it to me, what is the man talking
- 38:46about? Do you know what it be like?
- 38:50Like I can understand that. Now where can I get this book?
- 38:54Is it Amazon in the usual places or is there?
- 38:57Not yet. It's a, it's a, a website that
- 39:00there's a store in Dorchester called College Hype.
- 39:02It's a, it's a memorabilia that's they do shirts, they do
- 39:06everything all over the country for people.
- 39:08And it's called my city gear, my citygear.com.
- 39:14Just three words. My city gear.
- 39:17OK, I'll have that link in the Austin Macarina show post.
- 39:20I went by there and checked out the Irish Pastoral Center.
- 39:24That's right beside right next. Door.
- 39:25Yeah, it was. It was a funny Delays put me in
- 39:28the right spot. Oh, yeah, She's right next door.
- 39:31Mary Swanton. Mary Swanton.
- 39:33Yeah, go next door. He has sold a lot of books for
- 39:36me, and it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing that he's got
- 39:40a big following, you know, and it's.
- 39:43I have to say I'm, I'm happy. I'm I'm surprised that the
- 39:47reaction has been so big, bigger than I expected.
- 39:50And I've already done just, I call it dripping advertising
- 39:53here and there just popping, but it's carrying itself very well.
- 39:57So we'll be about 3500 copies were sold now we're coming into
- 40:00that. Oh, very nice.
- 40:02That's a lot of copies like that for sure.
- 40:04The average sale on the picture book in this country is 125
- 40:08sales. That's it.
- 40:10That's the average, yeah. So this really connected with
- 40:13people here and their families and the memories that you
- 40:16captured. Right, that's exactly what it is
- 40:18and I and I, my next book project I'd like to do once I
- 40:22finish this project is to honor the Goldstar families.
- 40:27Oh wow, that would be my next project 'cause I think it helps
- 40:31this book. It's like a sista book to it.
- 40:34Yeah, it's like a sequel. And I think that, you know, we
- 40:37used to be referred to as Gold Star Mothers, but now they refer
- 40:39to as Gold Star Families because fathers and children are
- 40:42affected by it also. Absolutely.
- 40:44And I've got probably the 40 names already.
- 40:48Every time I mentioned it, somebody emails me, you know,
- 40:51which is, which is great. And it might be a harder project
- 40:55to do with pictures because, you know, if you leave some family
- 41:00member out because he's. Trapped, you have to gather them
- 41:02all up at the same. Time they got at the same time.
- 41:04So. They could be scattered, you
- 41:06know, And yeah, the mothers, I I met some brother, the mothers at
- 41:10this book signing. So but I'm doing at different
- 41:13events. And then right away when I tell
- 41:15them I'm doing that and they slide up to me.
- 41:16This is my number. Give me a call like OK?
- 41:21That they're referring to the book though.
- 41:23At the time, I think they were, yeah.
- 41:25Yeah, I thought it was. Maybe they want to meet me
- 41:27first. I am single now.
- 41:29You know this. Is a family show.
- 41:31Yeah. Well, he's your wing man, I
- 41:34guess. That's it.
- 41:35Oh, he's been the wing man. Oh yeah, He's done a good job.
- 41:38We're very proud of him, you know?
- 41:39Very nice, very nice. The No, it's been a great, it's
- 41:45been a great project. And as I say, it was a mission.
- 41:47I was, I never thought it was going to go like this.
- 41:50I had no idea where it was going to go.
- 41:52But as I could start to see it halfway through, I said, I think
- 41:55this is going to be OK. This is going to be.
- 41:57So to go back a little bit, if you had no idea where it was
- 42:01going to go, if you had no outcome or end goal for the
- 42:04project, why did you start it then?
- 42:08Well, it started from a luncheon.
- 42:10Paul Wahlberg. That's one of the Wahlberg's
- 42:13brother. That Donnie's brother, we had
- 42:15the lunch at the his restaurant and hang on with my friend Jack
- 42:19Doherty owns college type Jay Valentine, another close friend
- 42:23of mine and Jim Fagan was there and Paul Wahlberg said did you
- 42:27ever consider doing something about veterans?
- 42:31I said not really. He said, well, that's a, you
- 42:33know, a group of men that should be recognized.
- 42:36Next day I started Louis Pascali was my first subject.
- 42:39Luigi. Luigi That's how it's sad.
- 42:42It's just, you know, and they and they'd all say, how's it
- 42:45going? It's going pretty good.
- 42:46I got about 12 done already. Oh really?
- 42:49And it just kept going all by. Now, and you still enjoy the
- 42:52craft, you still enjoy the creation process.
- 42:55I'm. Lucky, I'm a very lucky guy.
- 42:56I have every day is a challenge. The questions always after asked
- 43:01of me. What's your best picture that
- 43:03you've taken? And my answer is I haven't taken
- 43:05this yet. I'm still looking.
- 43:08I'm on the hunt for that great picture.
- 43:11Yeah, I didn't think looking at the book that you had a favorite
- 43:14because to to your point, they all seemed important.
- 43:18Well, that's what I tried to explain to them all.
- 43:20Everybody, you know, when I come to their home, they'd say, why
- 43:23would you come to my house? I was only a corporal.
- 43:25I said, well, you're you're very special because you were part of
- 43:29a team and that team was successful.
- 43:33OK. You know, then they kind of all
- 43:35right, you know, You know, some of them said I'm going to be in
- 43:37my generals, you know, and these big guys, I mean, that's just
- 43:41me. And I said, well, you're a part
- 43:43of it. And that's so true, you know?
- 43:47Well how can people connect with you all if they want to learn
- 43:50more or have you come speak or just understand the work you all
- 43:55do? Well, you can get me on my, my,
- 43:58my e-mail is billbrat1verizon.net and, and
- 44:03you can get me on Facebook. Bill Brat Boston.
- 44:05You know that's I'm easy to find.
- 44:09He's easy to find. He's.
- 44:10Usually out. Just how do you keep track of
- 44:13him though? Because he's out everywhere.
- 44:15That's what my wife says. He says how, how come you guys
- 44:17are about to she's the same age and you're like, and he's hey,
- 44:22come on, let's go. You know I.
- 44:24Don't know how he does it, but he does.
- 44:26It I've always been like that, you know, my wife would always
- 44:28say that he's out somewhere. He's out somewhere, but he says
- 44:32he always comes home. I'm very lucky, you know, as my
- 44:36wife always said that if we ever get divorced, my wife would keep
- 44:40the house and I, which is wonderful.
- 44:43And she was telling us, a friend of hers a couple of years ago, I
- 44:45could sell sitting on the chair. She's laying there listening to
- 44:47it. And she said, Bill, we'll keep
- 44:49the summer house. And this woman, Patty says, I
- 44:52know, where's your summer house? She says in the driveway he's
- 44:55got. The car this.
- 44:56Is his car. He's obvious woman at it.
- 44:58This is the woman. Didn't know what the summer
- 45:00house was. Well, the book is Boston
- 45:03Veterans Appreciation, photographed by Bill Brett Ford,
- 45:06by General Joseph Dunford Junior, you know, afterward by
- 45:11Rear Admiral Gary Ball, U.S. Navy retired.
- 45:15You know, Paul, Bill, it's just been a real pleasure and honor
- 45:18to talk with you. Well, it's an honor and I
- 45:20appreciate, you know, the opportunity to talk with you
- 45:23about this book because you were one of the advocates for
- 45:27promoting the the veterans. And I feel that this is this is
- 45:31appropriate for you. And I had to talk.
- 45:33Well, I really appreciate it. It's just I've learned so much
- 45:36and I think it's my sons will appreciate something like this
- 45:41more than you know. That's what they do.
- 45:44I'm sure they will. Sure they will.
- 45:45Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
- 45:46Yeah, we had some fun, Paul and I finding houses and we address
- 45:51and we have lots of the house and the person says well no,
- 45:54this is we're looking for so and so 35 Spring Rd. he said.
- 45:58This is not 35 Spring Rd. that's on the door, says 35.
- 46:02Yeah, I think I was in a bathroom.
- 46:04He was in a bathroom. I said well it's all fairness
- 46:07though. There's 2 spring roads in the
- 46:08town. I came back to the car.
- 46:10I said that's not the right house.
- 46:12The guy said it's 35. He said.
- 46:13Bill says what's it say on the 35?
- 46:17This isn't 35. See you later.
- 46:19But it was another Spring Rd. in the same town.
- 46:22It was on the Cape. Yeah.
- 46:24And we're laughing at each other.
- 46:25Jesus Christ, we were. We.
- 46:28Is this thing going to be? Is this for real?
- 46:31And he was pretty adamant about it.
- 46:32You got the. Wrong.
- 46:32Oh, he was. Oh God.
- 46:34Is this 30? 5 for you, that's why I got out.
- 46:36Right on the 35. Yeah.
- 46:37Holy God. So we have some funds.
- 46:39You know, the left to right, there's a left.
- 46:41No, no, it's on the right, you know, left to right.
- 46:43The other guy I would tell like to learn the women mostly that
- 46:47you know. What was your favorite?
- 46:48I didn't have a favorite, but it was Morrissey, you know, he
- 46:53tells me and I'm talking with him after Bill takes his career
- 46:55and he's he's in there and was in the Navy.
- 46:58And he says, oh, yeah, he says, I was 18 to 21.
- 47:02I was on a ship all the time. I was, I never had a girlfriend
- 47:06in three years from age 18 to 21, he said, and imagine that
- 47:10for a young guy, blah, blah, blah.
- 47:11I said, well, how to be tough, you know?
- 47:13And he said, yeah, he said, but we ended up in San Francisco,
- 47:18three days to go. And I was taking the train, he
- 47:20and the buddy back to Boston and they, his boss or the chief
- 47:24Petty Officer, somebody said, I'm sitting there as close as
- 47:27you and I, Travis. And he says, he says, yeah,
- 47:30yeah. So he says, you guys, you 2
- 47:33guys, you got two nights and three days here.
- 47:36I'm leaving San Francisco and then you got to get on a train
- 47:41on Wednesday morning and head back to Boston.
- 47:44OK. So I said to him, so Richard, I
- 47:47said, what do you do in the two days and three nights you were
- 47:52in San Francisco? And he thinks for a second and
- 47:56he says. He winks.
- 48:00You know. Was that time?
- 48:01To say he winked. I looked at him, he says do I
- 48:04need to say anything more? I said no.
- 48:06You're all set. No, you don't.
- 48:08I thought that was great, the way he winked.
- 48:10He goes just. Give me the big wink.
- 48:14Well, hopefully he was successful.
- 48:16Oh. Yeah, yeah, me too.
- 48:18Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was a great, great
- 48:22three years. It was long three years.
- 48:25I had to pull the plug at some point because it had to end.
- 48:29And, you know, people were saying when is this book coming
- 48:32out? I mean, from the time I took the
- 48:34picture, people would be asking me.
- 48:36So it was a lot of asking when is.
- 48:37That book coming. Out.
- 48:38But we're still working out. We're still working out.
- 48:40You know, a lot of people don't understand, but Tom Kelly, as I
- 48:44started earlier, who was a Medal of Honor recipient, great, great
- 48:47guy. And he was Navy Captain Vietnam.
- 48:50And he said to you, call me there a week ago.
- 48:53He got the book. And he said, Bill, I know how to
- 48:55thank you. I mean, you know, coming from
- 48:58somebody like him. And he said, if you need any
- 49:00help, you know, I'm here. I'm there for you.
- 49:03You know, it's just really nice. Well, just looking through the
- 49:06book and some of the people that I've met before, like Sean
- 49:09Campbell here, I've, I've known him quite.
- 49:11Yeah, yeah, I, yeah, I had a long talk with.
- 49:14You. Yeah, nice guy.
- 49:16Nice guy, you know he was a Marine.
- 49:18Yep. He was in that big.
- 49:20Oh my God, I know Andy McCauley from Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 49:25We we've done some stuff. Together but but you know a lot
- 49:27of guys in. There, you'll know a lot of guys
- 49:29in there. Now those two guys there, that
- 49:30there's a story in there. I put those two guys together.
- 49:33Oh, really? That's yeah, You'll read that
- 49:34in. There, Yeah, it's a nice story.
- 49:36And, and then Joe Dunford's forward, he writes about that
- 49:40one particular picture and he says, he says a very poignant
- 49:43story about Doc Cassidy. He was a good Palomar.
- 49:46In fact, he's coming up here in a couple of weeks, staying with
- 49:48us a couple of days. He lives in Vermont.
- 49:49He was a he was a corpsman in Vietnam in in this one of the
- 49:54guys whose names who was on the monument South Boston Gold
- 49:57Meadow Park is Donald Turner and Cassidy.
- 50:02He and another guy came dozen years ago come up to visit me
- 50:06and we're driving around. I said, you want to go see this
- 50:08monument over in South Boston? Sure.
- 50:11One was a Marine, the other was a the corpsman who attached to
- 50:15the Marine. So he he looks in Cassidy, Doc
- 50:17Cassidy says, Jesus Christ, He says, I was with this guy that
- 50:22was with Donnie Turner the day he was killed.
- 50:25Really. He said, yeah, he says, and he
- 50:27had his wife had a baby on in December of 68.
- 50:31Donnie was killed in January of 69.
- 50:35Never, never, never saw the son. So I said, did you ever try to
- 50:39contact it? It's so chaotic back then.
- 50:42And then I got out and then went up to Vermont and all that.
- 50:46So I started doing a lot of digging, you know, and, and I
- 50:49find this guy, I find the son to his wife, former Donnie's wife.
- 50:54And, and I sent him an e-mail and I said, I said who I was.
- 50:59And I said Doc Cassidy, Navy Corpsman, was with your dad when
- 51:03he was killed in Vietnam. He would like to meet with you
- 51:06and tell you what kind of Marine his father was.
- 51:10And I get a note back in a week, about a week from him.
- 51:14The son, Dear Mr. Doyle, I would love to meet up with Doc
- 51:18Cassidy. So I drove up.
- 51:21I, I met in a, in a parking lot in of a Target store in Reading.
- 51:25That's where he lived. He's a he's a property manager
- 51:27somewhere and he gets out of its car.
- 51:30He tells me what he's driving and I get a big, big, good
- 51:32looking kid and we drive to New Hampshire.
- 51:36Cassidy came down from Vermont and we met in this restaurant
- 51:39and Cassidy has some stuff pictures back in in the jungle
- 51:43with his father and Jesus. And he says, let me tell you.
- 51:46So your, your your dad was replacements would come up and
- 51:49the Sergeant would say, you take the point and you know, scary
- 51:54part, you know, new young Marines.
- 51:56And he'd he'd say to I'll take the point and things like that.
- 52:01And they looked up to him and all.
- 52:03And he says, and the day your father was killed, he says there
- 52:07were six guys went this way and six guys went that way.
- 52:09I stayed with this Group A patrol and we heard him.
- 52:13There was an explosion. We were running over.
- 52:15They hit a tripwire. All six were down.
- 52:19He's telling the son, he says four were dead, including your
- 52:23dad. Never know what hit him.
- 52:25There were two guys left. One of the guys, Bob Mannion
- 52:29from Albany, NY, was down. He said one of his legs was over
- 52:33there. The other one was just hanging.
- 52:36He said I leaned over Mannion and he didn't know about the
- 52:41other guys. And he says that leg's gone,
- 52:44Bob, but I'm going to try and save this leg.
- 52:46And he looked at me and he said, forget me.
- 52:50Save Turner. And the Sun looks at him and he
- 52:55says, what? What did he say?
- 52:58He said save your father. And Cassidy says, yeah, you're
- 53:04thinking right. If I did that, if your dad was
- 53:08still and I went over, he'd have died.
- 53:10And the kid starts crying. I started crying, pretty
- 53:14emotional. And since then, this was about
- 53:1910 years ago, I see him every year and he still he goes, he
- 53:22brings his kids to the Gold medal park in September for the
- 53:25Vietnam Veterans thing. And we go I dinner with him last
- 53:28year with his mother and and all that and we kind of formed a
- 53:31little relationship. Yeah, yeah, that was something
- 53:35and and and and the foreword Dunford references that he says
- 53:39a very poignant story is you'll see.
- 53:42And he writes in the in the poor doc Cassidy and about Turner and
- 53:46writes a little bit about that, you know, and it.
- 53:49Was nice. It was really nice.
- 53:50Did a good job in that. That was, yeah, that was great,
- 53:53yeah. I I just appreciate getting to
- 53:57see other veterans service realize what they've done and
- 54:00then they come back and, you know, start families or get
- 54:04involved with the community here and they almost serve again.
- 54:07You know, Tommy Lyons, the perfect example of that.
- 54:09Andrew McCauley is perfect. It's Sean.
- 54:11All those individuals not only serve their country, but
- 54:14continue to serve in some form or fashion here.
- 54:19And I think the thing, you know, closing this out is, you know,
- 54:22Paul and Bill, they won't be forgotten because of your book.
- 54:26They will not be forgotten, I think.
- 54:28That's what the that's the message I'm trying to bring out
- 54:30to these, you know, families. Make sure you read my latest
- 54:33poem that's in the book there. I'm going to read it and I'm
- 54:36going to voice it. I'm going to make a part of the
- 54:38show. You won't finish this book in
- 54:39one day, so it's a book that you can pick up or put down because
- 54:43it's a good. I read, I mean I know all the
- 54:45captions. I reread it, I read it and.
- 54:50Sometimes I read some of them and I say, but I write that.
- 54:53Then I think, well, maybe not all of it, but because we had an
- 54:56editor, Carol, she was great. She's fantastic.
- 55:00And I'd, I'd send her everything that I wrote and then she'd make
- 55:03it look like I, I was pretty. Smart.
- 55:05Yeah, she made you look good. She made me look good.
- 55:10Well, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Travis with OM Radio with my
- 55:14guest Paul Doyle and Bill Brett, photographer, you know,
- 55:20archivist is extraordinaire, if you will.
- 55:23Gentlemen, just again, thank you for talking with me.
- 55:25Thank you and. Thank you, Travis.
- 55:28I can't see what's next. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited next,
- 55:31but I got to finish this, get this out there.
- 55:33I have a whole year to sell it and the way it's going, it's
- 55:37going good I guess. We are mission flight.
- 55:40We'll see you next time. Thank you again.
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