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The Kenny Report | 15 July · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Alberzi is fated by Shijingping in Beijing as China
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Speaker 3: lays down the communist law with our media. While China
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Speaker 3: heaps praise on Albo, Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison takes
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Speaker 3: a swipe from the Communists as a compliment on the
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Speaker 3: US relationship. It's been reported that another former Prime Minister,
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Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnbull, has been undercutting Orcus back home and the
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Speaker 3: reckless Renewables roll out runs into more problems. Tim Blair
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Speaker 3: will join me on that and on the Tuesday panel
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Speaker 3: with Suzi O'Brien and Claire Row we'll look at Labour's
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Speaker 3: budget problems exposed higher taxes on the way, let's get
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Speaker 3: into it. In the past few hours, our Prime minister
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Speaker 3: has been given the right royal treatment by the communist
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Speaker 3: dictatorship of China. Anthony Albanesi has been treated like the
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Speaker 3: handsome boy who has come to heal as he met
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Speaker 3: with President Shijiping in Beijing.
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Speaker 4: This is my eighth visit to China, but my second
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Speaker 4: as Prime Minister, and I appreciate very much your hospitality.
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Speaker 5: And congratulations again on your reelection.
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Speaker 6: Over the past three.
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Speaker 5: Years, you and I met three times. Doing these meetings,
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Speaker 5: we had in depth discussions on the strategic overarching issues
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Speaker 5: critical to the direction of China Australia relations, and we
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Speaker 5: reached many common understandings.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the old common understandings, Hey, the misunderstandings where you've
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Speaker 3: got about to China. China punished Australia for daring to
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Speaker 3: ask for a transparent and independent investigation into the origins
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Speaker 3: of COVID nineteen, the pandemic that struck the whole world.
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Speaker 3: Beijing banned some of our exports like lobster and wine,
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Speaker 3: and it slapped punitive tariffs on other exports.
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Speaker 2: It deliberately hurt us.
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Speaker 3: Economically, and it has intimidated US militarily firing flares at aircraft,
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Speaker 3: sounding sonar at our navy divers, and even sending spies
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Speaker 3: ships for live firing exercises without prior warning. But instead
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Speaker 3: of standing up, Australia under albow has rolled over. It's
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Speaker 3: made excuses for China, and in Beijing, the Communists are
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Speaker 3: well pleased rewarding the PM with a grand six day visit.
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Speaker 4: I note your comments in your opening remarks about seeking
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Speaker 4: common ground while sharing differences. That approach has indeed produced
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Speaker 4: very positive benefits for both Australia and for China.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all those positive benefits of just getting back onto
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Speaker 3: an even keel. Just minutes beforehand, a bunch of Australian
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Speaker 3: journalists got a taste of press freedom communist style when
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Speaker 3: they were surrounded by security guards and told not to
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Speaker 3: leave with their footage despite having all the appropriate approvals,
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Speaker 3: and Australian diplomats had to intervene. And even as the
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Speaker 3: public part of the main meeting wound up, we saw
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Speaker 3: the eagerness to avoid transparency.
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Speaker 4: And I thank you as well for the honor that
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Speaker 4: you have given myself and Miss Hayden, my fiance in
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Speaker 4: the lunch that.
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Speaker 2: We would share because afterwards as well. Sure s. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's how it goes in China.
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Speaker 3: I've had some pretty bizarre and worrying experiences there myself
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Speaker 3: over the past thirty years. But to get the Chinese
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Speaker 3: perspective on all this, we only had to read the
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Speaker 3: Chinese government's English language mouthpiece, The China Daily. Its headlines
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Speaker 3: sprowked common ground winning out over differences, and it said
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Speaker 3: Albanese's visit shows that the Australian side has a clearer
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Speaker 3: judgment and understanding of China than it had under the
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Speaker 3: previous Scott Morrison government. In other words, Australia under albo
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Speaker 3: As caw Taud. Former Prime Minister Morrison responded to this
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Speaker 3: dig by telling The Australian that having a character reference
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Speaker 3: from the China Daily was never one of his foreign
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Speaker 3: policy aspirations. Yes, indeed, and Scomo told me today that
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Speaker 3: he took this slight from the communist superpower.
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Speaker 2: As a compliment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want lavish praise from China when you
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Speaker 3: lead a Western democracy.
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Speaker 2: It can only be a worrying sign.
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Speaker 3: And that's where Anthony Albani Albanezi is right now.
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Speaker 2: This is where he's placed Australia.
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Speaker 3: He can't get a meeting with US President Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: but he's being paraded around Beijing like a prize catch.
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Speaker 3: Australia is a US ally being toyed with by Beijing,
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Speaker 3: which is using our economic codependence as a bargaining chip
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Speaker 3: with US and a way of gently challenging Washington. We
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Speaker 3: have to hope that Alberonizi raised criticisms with President. She
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Speaker 3: objected to the way China has hurt us economically and
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Speaker 3: intimidated us militarily.
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Speaker 2: We might not ever know, of course, but there were clues.
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Speaker 2: I guess.
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Speaker 3: When the Prime Minister fronted the media just minutes ago,
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Speaker 3: Albanzi was asked whether he raised the spy vessels and
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Speaker 3: the live firing with President She and he seemed super
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Speaker 3: keen not to offend.
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Speaker 4: Yes to the former, and secondly, in response, of course
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Speaker 4: it was President She said that China engaged in exercises
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Speaker 4: just as Australia engages in exercises.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: He had more to say about China's explanation than Australia's
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Speaker 3: objections and Albanize he also revealed that he did not
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Speaker 3: even raise the issue of the Port of Darwin, which
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Speaker 3: he's promised to take out of Chinese hands.
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Speaker 4: The Liberal federal government chose to give an incentive to
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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory Liberal government to flog off an asset.
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Speaker 2: Sorry to jump in, none, it wasn't raised.
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Speaker 4: I can't be clear.
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Speaker 2: As any issues raised by him.
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Speaker 4: I can't be clearer than to say the question I
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Speaker 4: was asked was not raised.
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Speaker 3: There you go, I guess, as most of us would
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Speaker 3: have predicted. It sounds like Albo merely ticked off a
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Speaker 3: list of differences without strongly protesting the way Australia has
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Speaker 3: been mistreated, and he avoided to some touchy subjects altogether. Actus,
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Speaker 3: we'll get the best guide as to just how robust
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister has or has not been, and that'll
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Speaker 3: come when we get to read the next China Daily editorial.
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Speaker 3: When it comes to the US relationship, there is of
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Speaker 3: course much concern about the Trump administration's review of the
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Speaker 3: ORCUST deal, involving the nuclear powered submarines but also the
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Speaker 3: sharing of missile and other defense technology. The review is
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Speaker 3: being driven by senior Pentagon official Elbridge Colby, and there
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Speaker 3: are fears the US could go weak on the deal
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Speaker 3: because of pressing needs for more submarines itself and Australia's
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Speaker 3: minimal defense spending and wavering support for US defense efforts.
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Speaker 3: Support for orcas in Australia, of course, is bipartisan. The
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Speaker 3: deal was struck by the Coalition under Scott Morrison, was
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Speaker 3: pre approved by the Labor opposition back then before it
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Speaker 3: was announced, with Labour under Anthony Albanesi sticking by it
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Speaker 3: in government. But one man who's always attacked it is
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Speaker 3: the former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull because it necessitated the
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Speaker 3: unmaking of his bizarre deal to pay France to redesign
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Speaker 3: a nuclear submarine platform to build diesel powered vessels for US. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: The Australian has reported today that Turnbull has long been
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Speaker 3: in discussions with Colby and has been sharing.
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Speaker 2: His critiques of UCAS for a number of years. Quite
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Speaker 2: an extraordinary intervention. Perhaps Turnbull would argue.
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Speaker 3: He's trying to safeguard our national interest that I would
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Speaker 3: have thought he should butt out because an embittered former
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Speaker 3: prime minister might also end.
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Speaker 2: Up damaging the national interest.
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Speaker 3: And yes, as I'm often reminded, I worked for Turnbull
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Speaker 3: for a year, my year of living dangerously.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I need to declare that.
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Speaker 3: And obviously he should stay out of this. He's had
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Speaker 3: his time for crying out loud. We've got another former
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Speaker 3: prime minister, Kevin Rudd in Washington as our ambassador.
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Speaker 2: What hope have we got? Anyway?
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Speaker 3: Also in Washington, there's been some great news for Ukraine
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Speaker 3: from the White House. Donald Trump has agreed to supply
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Speaker 3: NATO with more patriot missiles, so NATO nations can supply
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Speaker 3: Ukraine with these critical missile defense systems to protect its
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Speaker 3: cities from persistent Russian attack.
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Speaker 7: Just they're paying for everything. We're not paying anywhere. We
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Speaker 7: have an ocean separating us they so we have a problem.
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Speaker 7: We make the best stuff, but we can't keep doing this.
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Speaker 7: And Baden should have done this years ago. He should
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Speaker 7: have done it from the beginning, but he didn't know
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Speaker 7: where he was there.
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Speaker 8: The decision is that your wants to bring what it
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Speaker 8: needs to have to maintain to be able to defend
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Speaker 8: itself against Russia, but you'll go to your beings to
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Speaker 8: pay for it, which is still toting logical.
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Speaker 3: This is welcome news for Ukraine President Vladimir Zelenski, who
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Speaker 3: just four months ago had that heated meeting in the
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Speaker 3: Oval Office which saw US support for the Ukrainian war
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Speaker 3: effort put on hold and doubts created about how strongly
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Speaker 3: Trump would stand up against Russia. Today, Trump also warned
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Speaker 3: Russian President Vladimir Putin that more tariffs and other sanctions
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Speaker 3: will be imposed if a ceasefire can't be delivered within
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Speaker 3: fifty days. I'll discuss this with Kristen Tates shortly, including
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Speaker 3: how the Patriot missile deal might have been kicked along
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Speaker 3: by an extraordinary exchange with a Ukrainian journalist just two
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Speaker 3: weeks ago in Europe.
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Speaker 9: They do want that more than any other thing, as
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Speaker 9: you probably know. That's a very good question, and I
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Speaker 9: wish a lot of luck. I mean, I can see
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Speaker 9: it's very upsetting to you, So say hello to your husband. Okay,
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Speaker 9: thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll show you that exchange in full shortly. But
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Speaker 3: with Russia's brutale against Kiev escalating in recent weeks and
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Speaker 3: Putin belligienently ignoring calls for peace, today is a good
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Speaker 3: and encouraging day for the embattled country of Ukraine, all
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Speaker 3: because of a new approach and firm action from Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: I just got to Queensland now and catch up with
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Speaker 3: David little Proud, the Nationals leader. He joins us from
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Speaker 3: Thugaminda thugo, minda. I don't know the name of that
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Speaker 3: place in Queensland. You'll help me with the pronunciation there, David,
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Speaker 3: tell us about the town you're in and as recovery
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Speaker 3: from the floods earlier this year.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, tharga minda is how the likes pronounce it. You
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Speaker 10: probably get yourself into blue the.
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Speaker 2: Publish use it. Yes, you don't want to be go
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Speaker 2: ahead exactly.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so may tell you. Look, I'm out here. The
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Speaker 10: whole town went under. Two hundred and fifty people lost
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Speaker 10: their homes. Behind me, we've got some recovery, some real recovery.
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Speaker 10: We've got the Channel Country Music Festival. There's probably five
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Speaker 10: or six hundred people there now, but more coming through.
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Speaker 10: The tourists are coming back. The roads are fixed, as
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Speaker 10: I just say to anybody, come out. The motel's been
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Speaker 10: totally redone. You don't need a caravan to get out here.
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Speaker 10: And it's just so important, whether it be Thagaminde, whether
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Speaker 10: I started at Western Star Pub last night and Windoor
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Speaker 10: a beautiful motel and great feed. We need people to
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Speaker 10: come out and spend a dollar here over the coming
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Speaker 10: winter season. We've missed two months of it because of
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Speaker 10: the flood in April. So anyone that can come out
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Speaker 10: to birds Will and back and up to long Reach
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Speaker 10: and all the way through, spend a dollar. These people
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Speaker 10: are just waiting for you. They're glad to see you.
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Speaker 10: But our recovery is slow. They're stoic, and there's a
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Speaker 10: lot more to do, not just in town, but we've
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Speaker 10: produced primary producers as well. But I've got to say
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Speaker 10: the state government up. He has done a pretty good
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Speaker 10: job to date in getting us up and going. But
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Speaker 10: the only real thing that Australians can do is get
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Speaker 10: out and visit and have a look.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, well, it's great that you're there, and as great
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Speaker 3: you're giving a plug there to the region, So good
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Speaker 3: on you for that. But of course the main reason
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Speaker 3: I wanted to get you onto was to get some
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Speaker 3: feedback from the coalition about Albanizi's trip to Beijing.
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Speaker 2: We've got a bit.
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Speaker 3: Of a readout on that meeting now from his recent
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Speaker 3: press conference.
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Speaker 2: He didn't even raise the Port of Darwin. Is that forgivable?
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Speaker 3: Is he avoiding a key issue there or should he
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Speaker 3: just be pleased that China didn't decide to raise it
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Speaker 3: with him?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think we don't begrudge the fact that the
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister has gone to China. They're an important trading partner,
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Speaker 10: but not at any cost, and there needs to be
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Speaker 10: hard conversations had in these bilateral meetings. And it's not
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Speaker 10: just about the Port of Darwin. It's about the fact
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Speaker 10: that they had warships doing live fire exercises in Australian
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Speaker 10: waters and Basically, we've seen many statements made to them
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Speaker 10: about them about their assertion in our region. And what
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Speaker 10: we need to make sure is we assert our authority
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Speaker 10: in saying that the peace and stability that we have
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Speaker 10: in our region needs to remain. And this is where
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Speaker 10: it's important, not just to visit China, it's important to
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Speaker 10: have a meeting with President Trump because that sends the
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Speaker 10: strong message. They've been sending strong messages about their advancement
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Speaker 10: of sending warships to Australia. You don't do that for
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Speaker 10: any other reason other than to send a very strong
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Speaker 10: signal to Australia about their capacity and capability. And if
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Speaker 10: you look at where our spending on defenses at the moment,
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Speaker 10: we don't have the capability or capacity at the moment
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Speaker 10: to defend ourselves. We need strategic partners. And that's why
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Speaker 10: I would have thought that instead of sending subtle messages
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Speaker 10: through speeches back here in australiahen before the Prime Minister
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Speaker 10: left to the White House, that he wasn't going to
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Speaker 10: be subservient. We're not being subservient, We're being sensible. He's
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Speaker 10: playing a risky game here. We do need the strategic
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Speaker 10: partnership with the United States through UCAS. He even had
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Speaker 10: Penny Wong this week make a speech highlighting the threat,
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Speaker 10: the rising threat that China poses in terms of their
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Speaker 10: military escalation. So one wouldn't you raise that with them?
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Speaker 10: And two let me just jump in there because we
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Speaker 10: just jump President Trump.
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, he's got to get that meeting with Trump.
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Speaker 3: But the Prime Minister says he did raise the issue
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Speaker 3: of spy vessels and live fighting with the Chinese.
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Speaker 2: But listen to what he says about.
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Speaker 3: That meeting, he seems more eager to explain the Chinese
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Speaker 3: position than Australia's objections.
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Speaker 4: Have a look, it was within international law. There was
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Speaker 4: no breach of international law by China, but that we
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Speaker 4: were concerned about the notice and the way that it happened,
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Speaker 4: including the li fire exercises.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically let us know next time.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, And I think the fact that they did and
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Speaker 10: sends the very strong signal to Australia that they were
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Speaker 10: trying to assert. They were sending very strong message their
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Speaker 10: capability and capacity, and I think that's important for Australia
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Speaker 10: appreciate and understand. And that's why the urgency of seeing
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Speaker 10: President Trump and making sure that those strategic relationships are
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Speaker 10: preserved and that we are going to have to put
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Speaker 10: our shoulders to the wheel in terms of defense spending.
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Speaker 10: I mean President Trump was also very clear with NATO
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Speaker 10: as far back as February about making sure that if
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Speaker 10: they wanted to continue to have that strategic partnership with
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Speaker 10: the United States, then everyone had to do their fair share.
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Speaker 10: And I think the White House has been very clear
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Speaker 10: to Australia that it was also about us doing our
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Speaker 10: fair share and defense spending. That we have that capability
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Speaker 10: and capacity, and we put a check down for eight
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Speaker 10: hundred million dollars for the first installment on those Virginia
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Speaker 10: Class which we should have, and we've made the right
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Speaker 10: decision to get rid of those French submarines. So this
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Speaker 10: is where you've got to be able to not only
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Speaker 10: see the Chinese president, you've got to be able to
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Speaker 10: make sure you can continue to enrich that relationship with
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Speaker 10: President Trump. The fact that he hasn't been able to
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Speaker 10: secure a meeting is embarrassing at best.
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Speaker 3: David Little Proud, thanks so much for joining us from Thagaminda.
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Speaker 2: David Little Proud.
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Speaker 3: There's such a big state Queensland I've not seen nearly
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Speaker 3: enough of it. Can't wait to drive around there sometime.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about the US.
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Speaker 3: Let's get back to this because I want to give
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Speaker 3: back to US President Donald Trump's military lifetime to Ukraine
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Speaker 3: agreeing to supply Patriot missiles and issuing a new ultimatum
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Speaker 3: to Russia.
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Speaker 2: And I want to show you an.
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Speaker 3: Extraordinary exchange between Trump and Ukrainian journalist Maislava.
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Speaker 2: Petza in Europe.
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Speaker 3: It happened just two weeks ago and has probably played
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Speaker 3: a significant role in this decision.
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Speaker 2: It hastounded me at the time because it showed an.
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Speaker 3: Unusual empathy and emotional connection from the much maligned president,
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Speaker 3: and also because Trump promised to take up her cause.
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Speaker 3: I'll talk to Kristen Tate in a second about this,
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Speaker 3: but first have a look at this exchange in full.
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Speaker 9: Where are you from.
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Speaker 11: I'm from Ukraine. So my question to you is whether
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Speaker 11: or not the US is ready to sell anti air
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Speaker 11: missile systems Patriot to Ukraine. We know that Russia has
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Speaker 11: been pound in Ukraine really heavily.
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Speaker 9: Right now are you're living yourself now?
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Speaker 11: And you my husband is there, wow, and I.
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Speaker 9: Can see you very you know it's amazing and me.
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Speaker 11: With the kids, I mean also actually because he wanted
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Speaker 11: me to.
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Speaker 9: Is your husband the soldier now he's there now? Yeah,
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Speaker 9: well that's rough stuff, right, that's tough, and you're living
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Speaker 9: here and you're a reporter.
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Speaker 2: I am good. So let me just tell you.
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Speaker 9: They do want to have the anti missile missiles, okay,
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Speaker 9: as they call them the Patriots, and we're going to
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Speaker 9: see if we can make them available.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're very hard to get.
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Speaker 9: We need them to. We were supplying them to Israel
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Speaker 9: and they're very effective effective, hard to believe how effective.
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Speaker 9: And they do want that more than any other thing.
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Speaker 9: As you probably know. That's a very good question, and
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Speaker 9: I wish you a lot of luck. I mean, I
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Speaker 9: can see it's very upsetting to you. So say hello
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Speaker 9: to your husband, Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, really empathetic response there from the President and a
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Speaker 3: promise to follow up on I want to go to
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Speaker 3: Kristen tight now in the US Christian. That exchange is
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Speaker 3: all the more extraordinary now because the President has followed
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Speaker 3: up and he is delivering pytrip missiles to you crime
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Speaker 3: through nighthime.
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Speaker 12: Yes, And I just have to say about that exchange.
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Speaker 12: You just played This is classic Trump. For anybody who's
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Speaker 12: met Trump. I've met him a few times. Anybody who's
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Speaker 12: met him can tell you this is one of the
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Speaker 12: most warm, surprisingly genuine people in politics today, which is
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Speaker 12: of course a start contrast with how the media loves
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Speaker 12: to portray him as sort of.
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Speaker 13: This naughtsy fascist. No, he's a very genuine person.
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Speaker 12: I think that Trump is increasingly frustrated with Russia. He's
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Speaker 12: given putin fifty days to end the war. If he
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Speaker 12: does not do so, he's going to start applying secondary
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Speaker 12: tariffs countries that trade with Russia. But yes, this was
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Speaker 12: a great exchange that shows who Trump really is as
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Speaker 12: a human being.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're absolutely right, and he's followed up with
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Speaker 3: hard action. Here's what the President had to say at
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Speaker 3: the White House in his meeting with the NATO chief.
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Speaker 14: There's a very big deal with man. This is billions
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Speaker 14: of dollars worth of military equipment is going to be
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Speaker 14: purchased from the United States, going to NATO, etc. And
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Speaker 14: that's going to be quickly distributed to the battlefield. Ukraine
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Speaker 14: will take it up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's Donald Trump. They're talking about the deal.
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Speaker 3: America will supply the weapons NATO will pay for them
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Speaker 3: and pass them on to Ukraine. I might go straight
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Speaker 3: to the second Grad before I come back to you, Kristen,
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Speaker 3: because this is where it also lays down the warning
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Speaker 3: to Vladimir Putin and Russia.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, we are very unhappy.
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Speaker 15: I am with Russia, but we'll discuss that maybe a
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Speaker 15: different day. But we're very, very unhappy with them, and
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Speaker 15: we're going to be doing very severe tariffs if we
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Speaker 15: don't have a deal in fifty days.
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Speaker 14: Tariffs said about one hundred percent. You call them secondary terriffs.
21:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is an extraordinary move and strategic terms.
21:24
Speaker 3: Isn't a Christian because he's doubling down on supplying U
21:27
Speaker 3: Crame with arms and he's talking up the pressure on Russia.
21:31
Speaker 3: All those people who support you crime will be hottened
21:34
Speaker 3: by this, of.
21:35
Speaker 12: Course, and these secondary tariffs is a great strategy. This
21:39
Speaker 12: again applies to countries that do trade with Russia. Now,
21:42
Speaker 12: Russia that's essentially a big gas station. Oil and gas
21:46
Speaker 12: that's what most of these other countries in the West
21:48
Speaker 12: buys from them, and it's just a commodity. And these
21:51
Speaker 12: other nations, places like India, they don't want trade sanctions
21:55
Speaker 12: from America, so these countries like India will increasingly seek
21:58
Speaker 12: out these gas and oil moderni's from other countries, maybe
22:01
Speaker 12: even the United States.
22:03
Speaker 13: And make no mistake about it, Russia does want to
22:05
Speaker 13: end this war as well, but Putin is a very.
22:08
Speaker 12: Stubborn leader and will probably want to make it look
22:11
Speaker 12: like he's ending the war on his own terms, So
22:13
Speaker 12: who knows, Some concessions will probably be made to Russia.
22:16
Speaker 13: But I do think this is a.
22:17
Speaker 12: Move in the right direction and very America first, especially
22:21
Speaker 12: with that the.
22:24
Speaker 13: NATO stuff you just mentioned as well.
22:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, now's it's a good bit of foreign policy and
22:28
Speaker 3: let's hope it works, and certainly Ukraine will be much
22:32
Speaker 3: relieved and heartened by this. I want to go back
22:34
Speaker 3: to domestic politics in the US though, and look at
22:38
Speaker 3: the former president and the Democrats, because this stuff is amazing.
22:42
Speaker 3: Those viewers who thought you and I have been too
22:44
Speaker 3: harsh on Joe Biden over the years, not really knowing
22:47
Speaker 3: what he's doing, he's been doing.
22:49
Speaker 2: Well. All this has been confirmed.
22:51
Speaker 3: He doesn't even know the names of the people he
22:55
Speaker 3: pardoned because some of them will pardon using an automatic
22:59
Speaker 3: signature machine.
23:00
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right.
23:01
Speaker 12: I mean, when you vote for someone to be president
23:03
Speaker 12: in the country I'm in the United States of America,
23:06
Speaker 12: you think that person.
23:07
Speaker 13: Will be the one who's kind of in charge making
23:10
Speaker 13: the decisions.
23:11
Speaker 12: And for years, Conservatives and you know, you and I
23:15
Speaker 12: we've been saying that Joe Biden was probably not fully
23:18
Speaker 12: in control while he was president. Well now we have
23:20
Speaker 12: partial confirmation of that. Biden did not approve of many
23:24
Speaker 12: of these pardons and warrants. Instead, he just kind of
23:27
Speaker 12: gave general terms of what the warrants and pardons should be,
23:31
Speaker 12: and then his team they just kind of changed the
23:34
Speaker 12: names on this list and signed off in Joe Biden's
23:37
Speaker 12: name using an auto pen. And these warrants commuted the
23:40
Speaker 12: sentences of thousands of inmates.
23:43
Speaker 13: That includes five child.
23:44
Speaker 12: Killers, several mass murderers on death row, and then of
23:48
Speaker 12: course he issued full pardons for his family members. But
23:52
Speaker 12: it makes you wonder, Chris, what else was his staff
23:55
Speaker 12: in charge of that Joe Biden was not actually controlling
23:59
Speaker 12: And it begs question that we've been asking who was
24:01
Speaker 12: in control of this country for four years.
24:04
Speaker 3: Well we now know it was whoever had the autograph
24:07
Speaker 3: machine apparently was in control. He didn't know the names
24:10
Speaker 3: of all those family members that he pardoned preemptively, of
24:13
Speaker 3: course at.
24:13
Speaker 2: The last minute.
24:15
Speaker 3: Let's have a look at what the current president has
24:17
Speaker 3: to say about all this.
24:19
Speaker 14: The auto pen, I think is maybe one of the
24:21
Speaker 14: biggest scandals that we've had in fifty to one hundred years.
24:26
Speaker 14: This is a tremendous scandal. I guarantee he knew nothing
24:29
Speaker 14: about what he was saying. I guarantee it.
24:34
Speaker 11: Yeah.
24:34
Speaker 3: I guess we don't have to wonder about the auto
24:36
Speaker 3: pen with Donald Trump because we see him signing all
24:38
Speaker 3: those executive orders in public, at that very public announcements.
24:42
Speaker 3: I want to go to your reaction to though, the
24:45
Speaker 3: on these comments that have been reported from Barack Obama,
24:48
Speaker 3: sort of his commentary on how the Democrats have reacted
24:51
Speaker 3: in their post election funk.
24:54
Speaker 2: Have a look.
24:55
Speaker 13: He told donors this over the weekend.
24:57
Speaker 16: Quote, I think it's going to require a little bit
25:00
Speaker 16: less naval gazing and a little less whining and being
25:04
Speaker 16: in fetal positions, Obama setgrind excerpts of his remarks exclusively
25:08
Speaker 16: obtained by CNN, And it's going to require Democrats to
25:12
Speaker 16: just toughen up.
25:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, good advice from the former president.
25:19
Speaker 13: Sort of I think he's sort of missing the mark.
25:21
Speaker 12: Though.
25:21
Speaker 13: The issue isn't that the Democrats aren't tough enough, it's.
25:24
Speaker 12: That they've transformed their party into something so radical. Former
25:28
Speaker 12: blue dog Democrats and moderates just are completely alienated by it.
25:32
Speaker 13: Now the Democrat Party of today.
25:33
Speaker 12: Stands for open borders, abortion on demand, defunding police, and
25:38
Speaker 12: child castration. And most normal people in this country, working people,
25:42
Speaker 12: they look at what the Democrats stand for today and
25:45
Speaker 12: they want nothing to do for it with it, they
25:47
Speaker 12: see no place for themselves in this.
25:50
Speaker 13: Party that has been hijacked by radicals.
25:52
Speaker 12: So yes, I guess Barack Obama's correct that they need
25:55
Speaker 12: to toughen up, but they also need to fundamentally transform
25:58
Speaker 12: what their party actually see stands for if they want
26:01
Speaker 12: to start winning elections again.
26:03
Speaker 2: Spot on, Kristin.
26:05
Speaker 3: It's like the Conservatives in Australia need to do a
26:08
Speaker 3: similar thing from opposition.
26:10
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Thank you, Chris Kristin Tates. She's great,
26:15
Speaker 2: isn't she?
26:16
Speaker 3: Every Tuesday here on the Kenny Report break. Coming up
26:19
Speaker 3: on the other side, I'll catch up with Tim Blair,
26:21
Speaker 3: another regular. We'll catch up with Tim over reckless renewables
26:24
Speaker 3: among other things, the roll out runs into more problems.
26:32
Speaker 3: Let's catch up with Tim Blair now from the Daily Telegraph.
26:35
Speaker 2: He joins us live.
26:35
Speaker 3: From the Wimmera in Victoria. Good to talk to you again, Tim.
26:39
Speaker 3: We've been talking a bit about China and defense policy
26:42
Speaker 3: in the program so far. Your column this week's mocked
26:46
Speaker 3: us and said, how could Australia ever defend itself against
26:50
Speaker 3: China when we've already surrendered effectively to a teenage climate
26:55
Speaker 3: activist in Greta Tundberg. Let's go back and have a
26:58
Speaker 3: look at what she was saying to the world.
27:00
Speaker 2: What's six years ago?
27:02
Speaker 11: We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and
27:06
Speaker 11: all you can.
27:07
Speaker 17: Talk about is the money and fairy tales of etern
27:10
Speaker 17: of economic growth.
27:12
Speaker 13: How dare you?
27:15
Speaker 2: Yeah?
27:15
Speaker 3: And you make the point Tim, that along with other
27:17
Speaker 3: Western nations, we just said, yeah, all right, good attack
27:20
Speaker 3: grantit will do what you say.
27:22
Speaker 1: Yep, no more economic growth for us. And you can't
27:27
Speaker 1: say that we're not following through on that on that
27:29
Speaker 1: particular course of action. I love how she's also complaining
27:32
Speaker 1: about massive extinction back then. Wh're now she's on the
27:35
Speaker 1: side of her mass obviously, who are kind of experts.
27:38
Speaker 1: I guess, if you like, on the on the concept
27:41
Speaker 1: of mass extinction. So yeah, she's she's changed, not for
27:44
Speaker 1: the better, which is a pretty unusual thing considering where
27:47
Speaker 1: she began. It's it's terrible when you imagine as well,
27:51
Speaker 1: how many people just fell for this ridiculous act. You know,
27:55
Speaker 1: it was a girl, a troubled young woman who was
28:00
Speaker 1: dodging school and everything, and whole government, you know, the
28:04
Speaker 1: UN listen to it. Everybody felt for this and now
28:07
Speaker 1: we're paying for it.
28:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, she shared stages with the world leaders and spoke
28:12
Speaker 3: at the UN.
28:13
Speaker 2: It is embarrassing.
28:14
Speaker 3: But as you point out, using as a driving force
28:18
Speaker 3: to impose the most insane policies on countries all around
28:21
Speaker 3: the world, especially on Australia.
28:23
Speaker 2: And here's here's the sort of stuff we're still getting
28:24
Speaker 2: from Albay.
28:26
Speaker 4: What we need are enabling policy environments, extensive investments in
28:31
Speaker 4: research to develop new technologies, and collaboration across academia, industry
28:38
Speaker 4: and government.
28:40
Speaker 2: I mean, what's that? Is that his plan to save
28:41
Speaker 2: the planet.
28:43
Speaker 1: He's not big on specifics anymore, is he? Remember when
28:45
Speaker 1: he Alba used to be very very specific about his promise.
28:49
Speaker 11: Is he?
28:50
Speaker 1: I remember there was a figure I think something like
28:52
Speaker 1: we're going to save two hundred and seventy five dollars.
28:54
Speaker 1: It was right down to the last digit, two d
28:56
Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars gone on our parables. But now
28:59
Speaker 1: he's talking about everyone's got to get together, we've got
29:02
Speaker 1: to talk about you know, a bunch of academics and
29:05
Speaker 1: business and going went. He just talks in blatherer And
29:08
Speaker 1: it's a lot safer that way when you're in that situation,
29:11
Speaker 1: and it's also incredibly cowardly.
29:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, two hundred and seventy five dollars and one point
29:16
Speaker 3: two million houses, and I think they're not going to
29:19
Speaker 3: mention any numbers anymore because it's all going terribly badly
29:22
Speaker 3: for them.
29:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
29:23
Speaker 3: Of course, imposing these policies has been mainly through trying
29:27
Speaker 3: to do this great big switch to renewables. So Chris
29:31
Speaker 3: Bowen re elected Reinbolden, he's still out there pushing this stuff.
29:35
Speaker 3: Here he is bragging about how he's spending our money
29:37
Speaker 3: making home batteries cheaper.
29:40
Speaker 6: Let's turn this baby on Daniel.
29:41
Speaker 2: Here we go, look her up, Yeah, there we go.
29:47
Speaker 10: And she's on.
29:48
Speaker 18: Hey everyone, I'm hearing Curgent in northern New South Wales
29:51
Speaker 18: with Daniel, who's just all this beautiful looking battery. We're
29:54
Speaker 18: about to switch it on under the Albanage governments cheaper
29:57
Speaker 18: home batteries policy.
30:00
Speaker 2: So cool, switched this baby on.
30:01
Speaker 3: I mean it's taxpayers money subsidizing these batteries. He's there
30:05
Speaker 3: with the installer who's making money out of these subsidies,
30:08
Speaker 3: and no.
30:09
Speaker 2: One who points out that this thing's expensive.
30:11
Speaker 3: It is costing taxpayers a bomb and they still need
30:14
Speaker 3: the good line coming in there because guess what, the
30:16
Speaker 3: battery won't supply enough power.
30:20
Speaker 1: This is exactly true. And I love it when people
30:24
Speaker 1: who are promoting, for example, evs the way I say that, Oh,
30:26
Speaker 1: you know, you people who are against TVs, you're stuck
30:29
Speaker 1: in the stuck in the olden days. You would have
30:31
Speaker 1: opposed cars back in the early nine hundreds when they
30:35
Speaker 1: came along. You would have wanted to stay on horseback.
30:37
Speaker 1: But there were no ads, there were no government programs,
30:40
Speaker 1: there were no promises in I guess the newspapers back
30:42
Speaker 1: in the day. You know, here's how a car works,
30:45
Speaker 1: and get your car allowance and get your car kickback
30:48
Speaker 1: from the government. People just went towards a product that
30:51
Speaker 1: was better than horses. In this case though, because they're
30:54
Speaker 1: not as good, they've got to do these ridiculous little promos.
30:57
Speaker 1: And when he does, those things would be a dollar
31:00
Speaker 1: sign on the batteries. And just to give us an
31:03
Speaker 1: idea of the expense of those sort of things, because
31:06
Speaker 1: they ain't cheap, my friend.
31:07
Speaker 2: No, I think fifteen grand is a cheap one.
31:10
Speaker 3: It's the equivalent back in those days the government.
31:12
Speaker 2: Would have banned all hay fueled vehicles.
31:15
Speaker 3: And you know, you've only got ten years to switch
31:17
Speaker 3: to a car or you won't be allowed to ride
31:19
Speaker 3: your horse into town anymore.
31:21
Speaker 2: It's just ludicrous.
31:22
Speaker 3: Yet in Victoria there's been another case of a major
31:25
Speaker 3: renewable project falling over, this time another offshore wind development.
31:30
Speaker 3: I mean, if there's stuff's so cheap, so affordable, so reliable,
31:34
Speaker 3: why do these schemes keep falling over?
31:37
Speaker 1: Because they're none of the above. They're expensive, they require subsidies,
31:41
Speaker 1: they're ideological rather than practical. And I remember, you know,
31:46
Speaker 1: people like MUCKLM. Tibble always said that they're they're drive
31:50
Speaker 1: towards this new new economy was always not based near
31:53
Speaker 1: the ideology. It was all just you know, just logic based. Well,
31:57
Speaker 1: if that's the case, just let the market to side.
31:59
Speaker 1: Just take all additional factors out of it and let
32:02
Speaker 1: the market decide. And that includes obviously you know, oil, coal, gas,
32:06
Speaker 1: you know, all all the things that people think are bad.
32:08
Speaker 1: Just lift any kind of subsidies and let things, let
32:11
Speaker 1: things rock, because I guarantee it stop and end up
32:13
Speaker 1: with people owning stupid batteries.
32:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:15
Speaker 3: Yet yet still labor persists with its demon demonization of
32:19
Speaker 3: nuclear energy with a ban on nuclear energy.
32:23
Speaker 2: Why ban it? I mean, either it works affordably or
32:26
Speaker 2: it doesn't. So get rid of the ban and let
32:28
Speaker 2: the market the side. As you say, thanks, thanks for
32:30
Speaker 2: joining us. Tim. We'll catch him later in the week
32:33
Speaker 2: with Mark Nicholson. We're going to get to a break again.
32:36
Speaker 3: On the other side, I want to go back to
32:37
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's visit to China. We'll catch up with
32:39
Speaker 3: Peter Jennings and get his insight and analysis into what
32:43
Speaker 3: went on between Shijiping and Anthony Albanesi in Beijing.
32:52
Speaker 2: Well, as you.
32:53
Speaker 3: Know, today is the main day of Prime Minister Anthony
32:56
Speaker 3: Albanese's six day trip to China. It's been unfolding in
33:01
Speaker 3: the Chinese capital.
33:02
Speaker 2: Today. We're bringing you the live news across the day
33:05
Speaker 2: during Sky.
33:07
Speaker 3: During the day here on Sky News, Anthony Abanez He
33:09
Speaker 3: met with Chinese President Shi Jingping earlier this afternoon.
33:13
Speaker 2: He says he did raise some of the military.
33:16
Speaker 3: Incidents with China in this meeting, but did not raise
33:19
Speaker 3: the issue of the Darwin Port. Neither was it raised
33:23
Speaker 3: by China. But have a listen to what the Prime
33:26
Speaker 3: Minister had to say about all this. That sounded a
33:28
Speaker 3: pretty weak need.
33:29
Speaker 4: Afterwards, Well, we raised the issue of Australia's interests and
33:36
Speaker 4: we raised it in specific contexts as well that there
33:39
Speaker 4: have been these maritime incidents and one of the things
33:44
Speaker 4: that we know is that dialogue is a good thing.
33:48
Speaker 3: Let's get some analysis now from Peter Jennings from Strategic
33:51
Speaker 3: Analysis Australia joins US Live from Canberra.
33:53
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Peter. After that meeting.
33:57
Speaker 3: And the readout we got from it in the press
33:59
Speaker 3: conference from the Prime minister, what did you make of it?
34:03
Speaker 19: Well, I think it achieved the objectives of both leaders,
34:06
Speaker 19: which was no surprises, nothing bad, no arguments, large quantities
34:13
Speaker 19: of platitudes and a lack of precision about any issue
34:17
Speaker 19: that was discussed. You know, Anthony Elbanezi keeps saying that
34:22
Speaker 19: dialogue is always good, But Chris, you've got to ask
34:24
Speaker 19: if it is, if it never gets to points of
34:26
Speaker 19: substance or detail, what's it actually achieving. And I think
34:30
Speaker 19: that China would come away from this thinking that they've
34:34
Speaker 19: got everything they want, which is an Australia which is quieter,
34:38
Speaker 19: which appears to be more distanced from the United States,
34:42
Speaker 19: which is constantly making excuses for China's bad military behavior
34:47
Speaker 19: in the region and turning up for more talking about
34:51
Speaker 19: more cooperation. So I think China gets what it wants,
34:55
Speaker 19: and it seems that Albanezi gets what he wants too,
34:58
Speaker 19: which is all of the above and no criticism and
35:03
Speaker 19: lots of lavish praise in the Chinese government controlled media.
35:07
Speaker 3: We're getting live pictures now of the Prime Minister meeting
35:10
Speaker 3: with Chairman Jao who what can we compare him to Peter,
35:15
Speaker 3: the Speaker of the House. I suppose in democratic.
35:17
Speaker 19: Terms, Yeah, I mean, I think he's probably about number
35:20
Speaker 19: three or so in terms of the Communist Party pecking order,
35:26
Speaker 19: And of course what that means to say is that
35:28
Speaker 19: wherever he goes over town, he's in, he's talking to
35:32
Speaker 19: Communist Party officials because such as the extent of state
35:37
Speaker 19: control over everything, the media, the police, the judges, social media,
35:42
Speaker 19: that the party rules over everything. And so in a sense, Chris,
35:47
Speaker 19: it doesn't really matter who you're talking to. You're always
35:50
Speaker 19: talking to the party.
35:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:51
Speaker 3: Now we really got a clear attitude, didn't we of
35:55
Speaker 3: what China's impressions are of Anthony Albanizi and his foreign
35:59
Speaker 3: pol See in that editorial from the China Daily where
36:04
Speaker 3: it just says that he he has repaired the relationships
36:08
Speaker 3: after Scott Morrison because he understands China better. And what
36:13
Speaker 3: that's almost saying up in Neon Lights that they believe
36:15
Speaker 3: that Anthony Alberanzi has healed.
36:20
Speaker 19: They have Alberanzi where they want him, Yeah, and they
36:23
Speaker 19: have Australia where they want us, which is to say,
36:25
Speaker 19: we are playing a more deferential, lower key role, more
36:30
Speaker 19: distance from the United States. You know, if you said
36:34
Speaker 19: to me ten years ago, what's China's long term strategic
36:37
Speaker 19: objective for Australia, it would be for Australia with the
36:41
Speaker 19: weak military, with the troubled alliance with the United States
36:45
Speaker 19: and constantly going to China to ask for more cooperation,
36:50
Speaker 19: more scientific engagement, more exports, more business opportunities, in other words,
36:56
Speaker 19: building all of the elements of which just a few
37:02
Speaker 19: years ago we were saying to business we should try
37:04
Speaker 19: and diversify. And now we are p to be doubling
37:07
Speaker 19: down on a country which, frankly in terms of its
37:10
Speaker 19: strategic games, does not have Australia's long term interests at HUB.
37:14
Speaker 19: So it's really very distressing to see where the Albanezy
37:19
Speaker 19: government has taken us. After a few years of Australian
37:21
Speaker 19: governments working to stand more independently against Chinese control, but
37:28
Speaker 19: we're back to exactly where China wants us to be,
37:30
Speaker 19: and I think that's something we should all be really
37:32
Speaker 19: concerned about.
37:33
Speaker 2: I just wonder about that.
37:34
Speaker 3: I agree with you wholeheartedly those three points where we
37:38
Speaker 3: are where they want us to be. One is we're
37:40
Speaker 3: economically incredibly dependent. Secondly, we're meet weak militarily, and thirdly,
37:45
Speaker 3: the US alliance is on shakier or weaker grounds. I
37:48
Speaker 3: would perhaps add to that that our own economy has weakened.
37:51
Speaker 3: We've weakened our own economy by destroying our energy system,
37:55
Speaker 3: which just increases that reliance on them.
37:58
Speaker 19: Yes, you know, it's interesting that back in twenty eighteen,
38:02
Speaker 19: interestingly enough, with Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister and at
38:05
Speaker 19: Scott Morrison's Treasurer, we took the right decision back then
38:09
Speaker 19: to stop China becoming the dominant controller of our five
38:13
Speaker 19: G network, which I thought was a tremendous victory time
38:18
Speaker 19: and a lot of other countries followed a little Did
38:21
Speaker 19: I know that? Of course, what was going to happen
38:23
Speaker 19: was that Quahwei, which was the Chinese company at the
38:25
Speaker 19: center of that bid, turned itself into the overwhelming producer
38:30
Speaker 19: of converteris power converteris were solar panel systems, and so
38:34
Speaker 19: we've made our grid system increasingly dependent on Chinese technology
38:40
Speaker 19: and at the whim of Chinese so called malign cyber actors.
38:46
Speaker 19: Once again, it's another example of Australian critical infrastructure being
38:49
Speaker 19: under Chinese control, when pretty much everyone else in the
38:53
Speaker 19: rest of the world knows that that's not a good thing,
38:56
Speaker 19: and Australia is off on its own frolic pretending that
39:00
Speaker 19: through dialogue we can have a reasoned and relationship of
39:04
Speaker 19: equal with China. No one should believe that, and I
39:08
Speaker 19: wonder even if Anthony Albernezi in his start of arts,
39:11
Speaker 19: really believes that that's what he's delivered.
39:13
Speaker 3: I've been deeply worried about this, and now after hearing
39:16
Speaker 3: your insightful analysis, I'm even more alarmed about it.
39:20
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Peter, I appreciate it.
39:22
Speaker 3: Peter Jennings there with the hard analysis of what's going
39:25
Speaker 3: on here, and it's only going to get worse for
39:28
Speaker 3: the time being until we actually wake up to what's
39:30
Speaker 3: going on.
39:30
Speaker 2: We've got to make our country stronger and.
39:32
Speaker 3: More independent, not weaker and more dependent on China. We'll
39:37
Speaker 3: take a break on the other side our Tuesday panel
39:39
Speaker 3: with Suso O'Brien and Claire Row we're going to look
39:41
Speaker 3: at Labour's budget problems exposed the new taxes that might
39:45
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Speaker 3: Of course he played about half of those with the
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Speaker 3: Adelaide Crows, so well on Matt that mug can sit
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Speaker 3: there for the rest of the night. We like Danger
40:22
Speaker 3: better when he was at the Crows, but he still
40:24
Speaker 3: goes all.
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Speaker 2: Right for an old man down there in Geelong.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in the panel now, and joining me here
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Speaker 3: on the desk is Sky News contributor Claire Rogan to
40:31
Speaker 3: see who we're getting played, and joining us from Melbourne
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Speaker 3: as Susie O'Brien, newly promoted to be National Education editor
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Speaker 3: at the News Court Papers. Congratulations Susie, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 17: I'm thinking they're going to take my job off me
40:45
Speaker 17: when they see that.
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Speaker 6: What I'm drinking water out of?
40:49
Speaker 2: What team is that world mug? Ever, you're buried for
40:52
Speaker 2: the pink test.
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Speaker 3: Then now let's get to follow up on yesterday's story
40:57
Speaker 3: about the treasury link that set the your advice from
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Speaker 3: Treasury clear to the re elected the Albernizi government, or
41:04
Speaker 3: if you want to get your budget in order, you've
41:06
Speaker 3: got to cut spending.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we agree that, but increase taxes too. What's coming
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Speaker 2: our way, Well.
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Speaker 6: It's got to be both.
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Speaker 20: With the state of the government spending at the moment,
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Speaker 20: and they don't much choice. And I just think, you know,
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Speaker 20: it's just a timely reminder. While Obbo's out there gallivanting
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Speaker 20: around saying he's got the solution for the cost of
41:23
Speaker 20: living straight from the horse's mouth, his treasury has done
41:27
Speaker 20: the sums and going. That doesn't really add up. And
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Speaker 20: I just think we are so far away from a
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Speaker 20: government that has gon to be fiscally brave to actually
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Speaker 20: do the right thing for this country rather than spending
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Speaker 20: money to chase votes. And I can't see it on
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Speaker 20: either side at the moment.
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Speaker 6: That's what we need.
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Speaker 3: They need to cut spending. They haven't got cahunas to
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Speaker 3: do it. Let me show you what Susan Lee had
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Speaker 3: to say about this today.
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Speaker 21: What they need to now do. What Prime Minister Anthony
41:53
Speaker 21: Alberaneesi needs to do is explain to the Australian people
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Speaker 21: what plan he has, because one thing I do know
41:59
Speaker 21: is that when labor runs out of money, they're coming
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Speaker 21: after yours.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair point isn't it, Susan, they're going
42:05
Speaker 3: to tell us what they're planning. I mean, they would
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Speaker 3: have had this advice before the election anyway. So are
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Speaker 3: they planning a heap of extra tax increases?
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Speaker 17: Well, I mean that's a very good line from Susan Lee.
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Speaker 17: That's very smart. You have to think this is a
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Speaker 17: second term, hugely kind of popular in the polls. Anyway,
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Speaker 17: a government, this is their great time. This is their
42:28
Speaker 17: time to strike. Is it going to be our superannuation
42:31
Speaker 17: negative gearing inheritance tax?
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Speaker 13: Do what the Victorians did?
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Speaker 6: A tax on private schools?
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Speaker 2: Who knows?
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Speaker 17: I mean, these are the kind of soft targets that
42:39
Speaker 17: they've been wanting to get at for years. And you
42:42
Speaker 17: just think now is if there would possibly not going
42:45
Speaker 17: to be a better time for them to come over
42:47
Speaker 17: after some of these targets.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it's a scary thought.
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Speaker 3: They've got such a huge majority early in the term
42:53
Speaker 3: and they'll be working hard on that, and who knows
42:55
Speaker 3: what they'll come up with.
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Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on it. Don't you worry here
42:58
Speaker 2: at Sky News.
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Speaker 3: But I want to are you another bit of economic
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Speaker 3: reform will proposed economic reform that's going to worry a
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Speaker 3: lot of consumers.
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Speaker 2: That's already had.
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Speaker 3: A huge impact on the share market today, and that
43:09
Speaker 3: is the RBA suggesting that retailers shouldn't be able to
43:13
Speaker 3: pass on that extra surcharge.
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Speaker 2: We all hate it.
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Speaker 3: You got to buy something as five bucks if you
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Speaker 3: have cash, but there's a I don't know, five seven percent.
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Speaker 2: Surcharge if you use your credit card.
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Speaker 3: Now clear, it's understandable. We want to get rid of
43:25
Speaker 3: that because it drives your nuts because most of us
43:28
Speaker 3: don't use cash anymore.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's annoying.
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Speaker 20: And I do think the optics are good in the
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Speaker 20: sense of what's on the price on the item is
43:35
Speaker 20: what you should be you know, swiping your card for.
43:37
Speaker 6: But the fee is still there.
43:38
Speaker 20: Like I'm a small business owner, and you know, the
43:41
Speaker 20: banks are still passing on the fee for merchant services,
43:44
Speaker 20: as they should's that's their service they're selling.
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Speaker 6: Small business aren't going to absorb this.
43:48
Speaker 20: The prices will just go up, and they already are
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Speaker 20: up for most businesses who.
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Speaker 6: Don't have the extra little thing.
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Speaker 20: When you tap the prices in the cost of business,
43:56
Speaker 20: it's in their product price anyway, the prices will have
43:59
Speaker 20: to go that's it, so the price, you know, it's
44:02
Speaker 20: still there. The fee, it's just kind of moving it
44:04
Speaker 20: around and hiding it a bit more.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the trouble with it. Now the RBA is
44:08
Speaker 2: saying they're going.
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Speaker 3: To reduce the fees that customs the retailers pay and
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Speaker 3: then get rid of the search charge.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know how. Here's what she had to say,
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Speaker 2: Michelle Bullock.
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Speaker 22: There's a number of key challenges in the payment system
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Speaker 22: today and they include difficulties in avoiding card seurcharges as
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Speaker 22: fewer Australians are using cash to pay for things. There's
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Speaker 22: the high cost accepting card payments and this is especially
44:33
Speaker 22: the case for small businesses. So we think the times
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Speaker 22: come to address some of these high costs and inefficiencies
44:39
Speaker 22: in the system.
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Speaker 2: Now it is going to get complicated.
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Speaker 3: They're an annoying charge, but there's money going ever of
44:46
Speaker 3: which way here and we'll see what happens. But before
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Speaker 3: I come to you for your reaction season, and I'll
44:51
Speaker 3: show you what some punders had to say about it
44:53
Speaker 3: on the street.
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Speaker 2: There makes a lot of money already. This in charge
44:57
Speaker 2: at all, do like a head banks have a bit
45:03
Speaker 2: of money.
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Speaker 6: It's all the expenses that we have in life.
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Speaker 11: So everything would help.
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Speaker 1: If we can reduce the fees.
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Speaker 6: They're pretty rough som rock, So I don't know, cost,
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Speaker 6: you're a lot.
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Speaker 8: Extra, very bad, very bad, trying to steal our runs money.
45:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us what you really think.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Susie hates the banks, but this is the deal, right,
45:22
Speaker 3: the surch charges to the extent they go to the banks,
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Speaker 3: and aren't the banks getting plenty of money from us
45:26
Speaker 3: in other fees and interest rate charges in the like anyway, I.
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Speaker 17: Mean there's something particularly galling about being charged to use
45:35
Speaker 17: our own money.
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Speaker 13: I mean, let's be honest.
45:38
Speaker 17: I don't understand why they're not going after the merchant
45:40
Speaker 17: fees rather than the processing fees, because that's six billion.
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Speaker 13: Dollars worth of fees.
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Speaker 17: And one of the things that came out of the
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Speaker 17: Banking Royal Commission some years ago was that there seemed
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Speaker 17: to be absolutely no relationship between what the banks are
45:53
Speaker 17: charging and what those services actually cost. So that I
45:57
Speaker 17: think is where they need to really focus. As Emma
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Speaker 17: was saying, you know, in a small business owner, if
46:03
Speaker 17: you just go over those go after those processing fees
46:06
Speaker 17: that the customer pays, they're just going to pass that
46:09
Speaker 17: on because they still have to pay those bank fees
46:12
Speaker 17: they met those merchant charges. So a lot of that
46:15
Speaker 17: in that system, and it's really up to the RBA
46:17
Speaker 17: if they're serious about it, that's where they.
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Speaker 13: Need to go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, let us just move on to another topic.
46:24
Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts so clear as a
46:26
Speaker 3: child and adolescent psychologists on the reaction to these horrible
46:30
Speaker 3: case of child abuse in childcare centers in well in
46:34
Speaker 3: other states, but emerged largely in Victoria. Reports now that
46:38
Speaker 3: a lot of parents are saying they don't want male
46:41
Speaker 3: childcare workers looking after their children anymore. We've all known
46:46
Speaker 3: great childcare workers who are male, but now the slur
46:50
Speaker 3: is over all of them.
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Speaker 2: But where does this end.
46:52
Speaker 20: My kids had a great, great young childcare worker that
46:55
Speaker 20: was a male. I do understand parents' reaction to this.
47:00
Speaker 20: You know, it seems to be a knee jerk reaction,
47:02
Speaker 20: but at the moment, I mean, there's a hundreds and
47:04
Speaker 20: hundreds of children who have been.
47:05
Speaker 6: Referred for firstdi checking horrific.
47:08
Speaker 20: I understand parents saying, you know what, for now, I
47:10
Speaker 20: don't want to mail near them. Most males are not pedophiles.
47:14
Speaker 20: Most pedophiles are males, so it's very difficult. However, I
47:18
Speaker 20: just think that we are missing the big question here.
47:21
Speaker 20: The elephant in the room is how in twenty twenty
47:24
Speaker 20: five is any educator, male or.
47:27
Speaker 6: Female, alone with a child.
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Speaker 20: You go into these centers, they're open planned, there's glass walls,
47:32
Speaker 20: no toilets have doors on them for little kids. Put
47:35
Speaker 20: the CCTV footage in there. There are other ways to
47:39
Speaker 20: do it. We cannot exclude good men, you know, girls,
47:43
Speaker 20: boys need to see males in that caretaking nurturing role,
47:47
Speaker 20: particularly if we're after a gender equality and roles all
47:49
Speaker 20: of that. So we cannot go down that path. But
47:53
Speaker 20: I do understand parents' reaction to this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, shocking conundrum.
47:57
Speaker 3: Thanks both for joining us, Claire Rot and Sousi O'Brien,
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Speaker 3: and we'll catch up with you again next week. I
48:02
Speaker 3: just got time before we go to share some of
48:04
Speaker 3: your feedback from last night when we talked about Labour's
48:06
Speaker 3: plans and Treasury advice when it comes to the cost
48:09
Speaker 3: of living. One viewer says, I don't think anything needed
48:12
Speaker 3: to be leaked for us to figure all this out.
48:14
Speaker 3: The tax increases and the need for spending cuts Another
48:17
Speaker 3: viewer says Labor will be known as the greatest liars
48:20
Speaker 3: of the century and we'll squeeze one more, and Greg
48:23
Speaker 3: says why is the Labor Party never held accountable? They dribble,
48:26
Speaker 3: total rubbish, not responsible and creating the nightmare for or Well. Yep,
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Speaker 3: a lot of people made those criticisms in the lead
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Speaker 3: up to the election, but they got re elected, not
48:36
Speaker 3: with many primary votes, but a handsome majority that are
48:39
Speaker 3: around for a long time.
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Speaker 2: Become Thanks for joining me. I'll be back tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Here's Peter