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Bob Nightengale’s Hot Stove Update: Tucker’s Mets offer, Phillies pursuing Bo Bichette, 2B & SP market · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Nightingale's notes.
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  Speaker 2: Here comes Bob Nightingale from USA Today and and FT
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  Speaker 2: insider here joining us frequently. Bob, great to see you.
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  Speaker 2: And let's start out with fifty million dollars per year
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  Speaker 2: for Kyle Tucker. Do you think that's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that he'll end up with the Mets
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  Speaker 2: or this mystery long term Blue Jays offer will surface
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  Speaker 2: and become the thing for him.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Blue Jays make much more sense than
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  Speaker 3: New York. I think he liked me in Toronto more
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  Speaker 3: than New York. Kind of quiet personality. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: Cubs weren't crazy about him, thought he was okay. I
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  Speaker 3: think they thought or kind of hoping, you'd have more
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  Speaker 3: outgoing personality with them. I think his whole demeanor fits
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  Speaker 3: Toronto better than the Mets. And with your Mets, so
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  Speaker 3: you're really going to have, you know, one hundred million
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  Speaker 3: dollars worth of right fielders. You know, Tucker's defense is
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  Speaker 3: starting to slip a little bit too, just like Soto's.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd like him much better in Toronto than mess.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, what's the hold up here? What's the whole if
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  Speaker 4: you have three years of one hundred and fifty million,
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  Speaker 4: fifty million a year on the table staring you in
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  Speaker 4: the face of this report is true, and there's been
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  Speaker 4: multiple people that have reported this. Why would you not
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  Speaker 4: sign that? And if it has opt outs built into it,
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  Speaker 4: you know, after year one, after year two, if you're
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  Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker, are you really does he just want more
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  Speaker 4: years to get a little bit more money. But I mean,
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  Speaker 4: do what Peter Alonso did do it, Alex Bregmant did
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  Speaker 4: do it, Blake Snell did do it, Mattchhaman did take
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  Speaker 4: that one year, go out, have a great year and boom,
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  Speaker 4: then re hit the free agent market a year later
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  Speaker 4: and get that big long term contract.
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  Speaker 1: I just think he wants to do that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to go through the whole
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  Speaker 3: pre agent process again. You know, it's not a fun experience.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure he thought there'd be more offers and you
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  Speaker 3: know what happened to those you know, four hundred and
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  Speaker 3: five hundred million dollar you know deals that you know
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  Speaker 3: were talked about last summer.
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  Speaker 1: So I think he's waiting for the blue Jays up
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  Speaker 1: the A. So okay, if the blue.
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  Speaker 3: Jays are offered six or seven years, you know, get
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  Speaker 3: them to hike it up. An they're five or ten
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  Speaker 3: million a year, you know, obviously I can go to
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  Speaker 3: the Mets level, but they can certainly raise it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what he's waiting for.
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  Speaker 5: But also, if it's fifty million a year, everybody feels
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  Speaker 5: like the Dodgers can match that, And would the Dodgers
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  Speaker 5: be willing to go to that because if that's the case,
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  Speaker 5: is Tucker all the things you said about Tuckers he
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  Speaker 5: a better fit in LA, not wanting to go to
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  Speaker 5: New York and saying, hey, you know what I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: hop onto a world back to back World Series champions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean get you know, you get lost his
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  Speaker 3: shuffle there, which I think he likes all the stars
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  Speaker 3: in LA obviously in Toronto you got Blad Guerrero there.
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  Speaker 3: I just think you of the Dodgers, hey just won
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  Speaker 3: two ruled surges about the guy.
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  Speaker 1: You don't need them.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe nights lecture and to have you know, if he
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  Speaker 3: wants to come as say forty years forty, maybe even
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  Speaker 3: forty five, so be it. But I don't think they're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're can get a Benning or with the Mets, do
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  Speaker 3: you want to be here or not. Do you want
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  Speaker 3: to win a World Series or not? You know, he
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  Speaker 3: lives in the Tampa area too, so you would think
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  Speaker 3: that with screen training, you know, both in Toronto and
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  Speaker 3: New York and Florida, that's got to be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of advantage too, not having come all the way
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  Speaker 3: to LA.
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  Speaker 5: Is it possible? Obviously anything's possible, But is it possible
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  Speaker 5: that there's another team that would be willing after everyone's
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  Speaker 5: heard about this Mets offer to go that again? Not
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  Speaker 5: maybe not a bidding war, but maybe in the forty
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  Speaker 5: seven million dollars a year range.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see it. You know. I checked with the
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  Speaker 1: Houston I thought, well, maybe Houston might be that team.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like, you know, they've they're interested in
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  Speaker 3: bringing them back, certainly not that kind of money.
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  Speaker 1: So there certainly could be, but I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: it would be.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, it's not going to be Philadelphia or
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  Speaker 3: some of these other big market teams, so I don't
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  Speaker 3: think so. It's not the Cubs, So I think the
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  Speaker 3: teams are hearing are really the only teams involved.
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  Speaker 4: Bob with Toronto and you mentioned the AAV, do you
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  Speaker 4: think they'll get to a point with Tucker, because they've
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  Speaker 4: already done a lot of things this offseason with seas
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  Speaker 4: and Ponts and some of these other things moves that
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  Speaker 4: they've made, right, So do they have the money and
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  Speaker 4: would Tucker? Would they have to choose between Tucker and Bashett,
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  Speaker 4: And obviously they prefer Tucker over Bashett because of the
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  Speaker 4: possibility of our show and Springer leaving at the.
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  Speaker 1: End of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's exactly what. I think They've already
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  Speaker 3: made their choice. They want Tucker. I think Bichette's the
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  Speaker 3: only chance to go back is that they don't get Tucker.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Tucker wants to make a decision here
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  Speaker 1: in the next few days too.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, they can certainly raise or offer I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to raise it to fifty million dollars
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  Speaker 3: a year, you know, you know, paying him like you
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  Speaker 3: are one Soto, but they can certainly hit the forty
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  Speaker 3: million dollar mark or eclips that barrier. And maybe that's
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  Speaker 3: what he's waitning for, just you know, one long term
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  Speaker 3: contract so you don't have to go through this, you know,
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  Speaker 3: year a year like the other guys did with those
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  Speaker 3: opt outs.
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  Speaker 5: Talking about who ages is brought up Boba Schet cautiously
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  Speaker 5: optimistic for the Phillies. Is that something that's you know,
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  Speaker 5: more from the Phillies department or is this a market
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  Speaker 5: that Boba Sheet's needing to kind of get himself out there,
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  Speaker 5: to get the market going so that he's in a
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  Speaker 5: place in spring training.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he expected a bigger market too. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The Phillies are the ones costally optimistic. They liked the
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  Speaker 3: zoom call that they had with him. They think that
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  Speaker 3: he's genuinely interested and they you know, conveyed that, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: they're generally interested in him.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just to put some pressure on JT. Realmudo. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: He's not using them to get more money from the
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  Speaker 3: Red Sox or somebody else. So I think it can happen.
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  Speaker 3: I think he'd be great for the Phillies us to shake.
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  Speaker 1: That thing up.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you know, Gon bounced out early the
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  Speaker 3: playoffs here the last couple of years with pretty much
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  Speaker 3: the same lineup. If you don't bring him in, it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty much the same group of guys, uh for the
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  Speaker 3: most part. So I think be great for the Phillies
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  Speaker 3: to grab Bischett and just really shake that thing up
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  Speaker 3: give him a better chance to you know, get back
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  Speaker 3: to the World Series.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if that happens, does I mean Alec Bohm is gone?
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  Speaker 4: Does I mean real Muto's gone? Can they signed Bishett
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  Speaker 4: and real Muto JT and bring him back or would
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  Speaker 4: that would they have to go and then go find
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  Speaker 4: possibly a catcher and then trade either Stot or Bom.
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  Speaker 4: I mean if that's why the Philly fit to a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people is an interesting one because in Dombrowski
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  Speaker 4: would have to possibly make other moves to make this
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  Speaker 4: all fit together and work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have to shake up things that are hurry.
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  Speaker 3: I think Bone would be gone. It could be stopped,
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  Speaker 3: but I think Bone would be gone to go get
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  Speaker 3: a catcher.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was told that if they do sign
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  Speaker 3: Bischett that real Moto is gone. Uh, They're not that
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  Speaker 3: close to negotiations. I think there's been some tension there,
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  Speaker 3: just like it was years ago. I think there's more
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  Speaker 3: tension now. And so if they do sign bi Hit,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any way they bring him back.
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  Speaker 1: You really have to drop down in his demand.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever he's acting for, and I'm not sure it's in
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  Speaker 3: a market for a thirty five year old catcher.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where else you would go.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. As a former thirty five year
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  Speaker 4: old free agent catcher, you sign a lot of one
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  Speaker 4: year deals. So that's where it gets interesting because you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure he wants a multi year deal, but I've
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  Speaker 4: been there and it's one year deal offers and you
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  Speaker 4: do the best you can and try to go from there. Well,
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  Speaker 4: there's another name on the Phillies that no one has
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  Speaker 4: talked about, and he and a rough ending in Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 4: and that's Castianos. Have you heard anything about his market
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  Speaker 4: because everyone, everything you read and everything you see, everyone's like,
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  Speaker 4: there's no way Nick Castianos is back on the Phillies. Well,
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  Speaker 4: we haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere. Is this going
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  Speaker 4: to be a salary dumpy kind of thing like the
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  Speaker 4: Cardinals just did with Ronado or is there actually going
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  Speaker 4: to be some interest to Nick Castianos for a year.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a big time salary top.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're going to have to eat the minimum
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  Speaker 3: seventeen million to twenty if not.
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  Speaker 1: You know, eighteen or nineteen. I have not heard his name.
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  Speaker 3: I would think as we get closer to spring training,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the Phillies won them back in camp.
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  Speaker 3: I think they move him. Then you know, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: team like to say Anygo Podres or you know, someone
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  Speaker 3: could use some outfield help. They would make sense. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the Potters wanted Ernando two, they just didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: pay the eleven million dollars that the Diamonbacks paid, So
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  Speaker 3: they're really in a money crunch, and I think it
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  Speaker 3: would be a great fit. I think the real risk
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  Speaker 3: for a team is if you bring Caslanos in, you
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  Speaker 3: better play them every day or he's gonna be upset
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  Speaker 3: and could cause disturbance in the clubhouse, which is what
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  Speaker 3: happened in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 5: Let's say the Phillies do get Boba shot j t
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  Speaker 5: Romuto is gone. According to Bob, what does that market
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  Speaker 5: look like out there for the Phillies. I asked Ken
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  Speaker 5: yesterday and he talked about Victor care teeny. Does Ryan
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  Speaker 5: Jeffers say, okay, yes, that's the guy that we would want,
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  Speaker 5: we have to go get him. Do the Phillies have
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  Speaker 5: the pieces to go get a guy who's a starting
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  Speaker 5: catcher because the team he's coming from needs a starting
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  Speaker 5: catcher too. So that's my That's like where I'm like
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  Speaker 5: it's a catching position is usually figured out by November,
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  Speaker 5: and now we're into January and the Phillies are in
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  Speaker 5: no man's land.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to go get another catcher.
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  Speaker 3: It might be someone's backup or somebody who plays you know,
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  Speaker 3: sixty percent in the time.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a little bit like the Cub situation. Grab
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  Speaker 1: you know a guy like that.
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  Speaker 3: But you know you're gonna have to mix and match
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  Speaker 3: of the catchup position, which is fine, but you better
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  Speaker 3: You're got to get that trust from those Philadelphia pictures
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  Speaker 3: in a hurry.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot of money invests in
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  Speaker 1: that rotation. They're used to real mudo.
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  Speaker 3: That's the big danger here is now that catcher and
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  Speaker 3: pitchers got to get to know each other in a hurry.
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  Speaker 4: Here, Okay, well let's go. Let's go on to another
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  Speaker 4: team that made a big move. That's the Cubs. Cubs
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  Speaker 4: brought in Alex Pregman. Red Sox fans thought they had
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  Speaker 4: him and he was gonna come back for sure. The
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  Speaker 4: Cubs swoop in steal him away from the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 4: Does this mean they're gonna have to trade Nico Horner?
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  Speaker 4: Are they gonna run with Horner? Swansby, Dansby, Swanson and
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  Speaker 4: Pregman in the infield, Michael Bush obviously at first, and
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  Speaker 4: then what do you do with the Matt Shaw, who's
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  Speaker 4: a young player show promise in the second half. They've
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  Speaker 4: been high on him forever. Does he just slot in
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  Speaker 4: automatically to your utility role that they've had.
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  Speaker 1: I was told that.
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  Speaker 3: Horner stand put. Uh, you know that they want they
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  Speaker 3: want him there. Uh, so he's got one more year
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  Speaker 3: to their left. I think he stays put. I think
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  Speaker 3: Dodd Man out his Shaw. I don't think they trade him,
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  Speaker 3: but I think he bounces back and forth between the
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  Speaker 3: miners and uh a super childey player. Uh, he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to have a great spring just like he did
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  Speaker 3: a year ago to make the team and uh and
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  Speaker 3: show he can play multiple positions. If nothing else, you'll
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  Speaker 3: go to Iowa and just be that, you know, that
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  Speaker 3: reserve guy, you know, break for him. But I think
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  Speaker 3: that's what's going to have to happen for this next year.
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  Speaker 3: But I think Horner definitely stays put.
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  Speaker 5: Is framber Valdez's phone is it off? Like is it broken?
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  Speaker 4: Is there?
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  Speaker 5: We haven't heard anything? Has he been getting calls or stuff,
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  Speaker 5: waiting for something else, the first shoe to fall, and
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  Speaker 5: then something happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's strange. I mean, once he's got the two ten,
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  Speaker 1: you figure, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Valdeza's going to come in right around the same thing,
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  Speaker 3: and you've heard nothing. I mean, it seems like you'd
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  Speaker 3: be a great fit for you know, a number of teams,
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  Speaker 3: particularly particularly the Mets. Uh, the Red Sox too, But yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You know how much that hurt during the season with
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  Speaker 3: the with the incident with the catcher in Uh, you
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  Speaker 3: know that they're prying around saying, winn now is he
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  Speaker 3: going to fit into our clubhouse? So, uh, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm surprised. I think the biggest surprise of
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  Speaker 3: all this whole free agency is just the starting pitching market.
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  Speaker 3: Just how slow it is.
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  Speaker 5: The Red Sox. You said, the Red Sox possibly on
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  Speaker 5: frame or you know, it's always a possibility, but it's
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  Speaker 5: starting pitching where they because they've already made the move
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  Speaker 5: with Sonny Gray and they got I'm blanking out right
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  Speaker 5: now anyway, the second move in Now they got Wilson Contrens,
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  Speaker 5: but they got another starting pitcher too, Johan Oviado. That dude,
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  Speaker 5: got your boy, I know I forgot. It's okay, It's okay,
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  Speaker 5: you forget things. Me and Bob.
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  Speaker 2: That's his favorite picture.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, But anyway, would they go to the starting pitching
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  Speaker 5: market or the fact that they just missed out on
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  Speaker 5: a bat that was a key part of their lineup,
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  Speaker 5: So they need a bat.
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  Speaker 3: In a bat but you know they could add another arm.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, through eight or ninety starters anyway,
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  Speaker 3: you know why not? But yeah, they need a bat somewhere. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I know that Diamondback said, hey, we're not
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  Speaker 3: trading get but you know what surprise anybody's screen trending
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  Speaker 3: if the Red Sox come back and say, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna be willing to give you this we weren't
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  Speaker 3: gonna give to you before, We're gonna give it to
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  Speaker 3: you now. I can't believe the door is completely shut
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  Speaker 3: on the Martete trade talks.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, the Mets. The Mets have been roomed for Tucker
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  Speaker 4: fifty million a year all that stuff. Bob, why are
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  Speaker 4: they not going after more starting pitching and why will
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  Speaker 4: they not go after some of these guys guys like
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  Speaker 4: that that they might have to give is that just
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  Speaker 4: David Stern saying I refuse to give a long term
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  Speaker 4: deal to a starting pitcher because from Ravallo does I
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  Speaker 4: think would fit nicely in that rotation, Ranger Suarez, you
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  Speaker 4: know him, well, he's in your division for the last
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  Speaker 4: five six years. Why would they not go out and say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we need to really focus on our starting pitching. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker is nice, but we need some pitching somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they're in on all these guys and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: here's a three year or four year deal.
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  Speaker 1: Who wants to take it?
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  Speaker 3: And maybe they're gonna have to say, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: We're just gonna weigh give.
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  Speaker 1: You the opt out clauses too.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're just betting the market not being there obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and as a materialized like those guys thought,
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  Speaker 3: and someone's gonna have to bite.
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  Speaker 1: So I think at some point we.
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  Speaker 3: Got less than a month before fishes and catches your port,
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  Speaker 3: someone's can get nervous here in sign and saying I
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  Speaker 3: don't get to take the mess offer.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's next. So I think they're just trying
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  Speaker 1: to play it smart, play shrewd in the sense that
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: someone's gonna take our money and let's don't bid against ourselves. Uh,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: they've got to get least one more pitch, if not too.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: So that's what she thinks happening to a lot of
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: these guys as teams are just sitting back saying don't
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: panic and that. Meanwhile their agents are saying, don't panic, guys.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: The money's there or it'll get there eventually. So which
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: one wins in the end? Is it the teams because
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: the team's not saying collusion, But we've talked to some
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: guys and they've had a lot of the same offers
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: from multiple teams. Right, So our teams just sitting back
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: and then you have every agent because I've been through this,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: and teams you get you get to once you hit Christmas,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: everyone says, oh, man, are you gonna sign you're not
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: playing anymore? Or are you going? The wife starts hitting
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: you up for where are we going for spring training?
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: I got to find a place to live. So are
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: the teams just counting on full panic setting in and
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: they can maybe get some deals out of this?
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I used to be like you said, a j full
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: pin up for a Christmas you know, Now it's more
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: towards spring training, we're seeing a lot more signings, but
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: it's a lot more important for these pictures to signally
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: because one spring training starts. You know, there's kind of,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: you know, a track record of guys that show up late,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: aren't ready, they have poor things. You know, look at Montgomery,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: what happened German Gunmy with the Diamondbacks, that sort of thing.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: So I think a teams are waiting for the players
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: or pictures to panic and say, Okay, we don't like
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: this software. We'll take it, giving me, give me a
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: opt out, and I'll go hit that market again next year.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: You know, it's worked for guys, but for picture it's
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: a lot more important to get to camp on time,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: and it's a position player.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: How much validity is it when we hear stuff about
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: the Giants looking for a second basement because there's two
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: out there on the market. Obviously, I don't think that
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Martees going out there and you just said, Nico Horner,
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: is there a aggressiveness from the Giants to make that
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: trade to get that second baseman that they're possibly looking for?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: They've got a nice farm system and uh, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: we see toads and spring training all the time.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: You know, why not, why not wait and get a guy.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Uh, there's always guys that fall to the cracks and
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, injuries, So I think they you know, wait, uh,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe they. I can't see the Diamax trading
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Marta to San Francisco. I'm not being the same division.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: But there'll be guys out there, and uh, the way
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: they always operate, at least the Giants, you know, under
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: bust or Posey is just take your time until you
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: get that right guy.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: So I don't think there's an urgency to get the
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: guy right now. And I think you know, a Saint
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Louis is aggressive.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: They've been dealing guys, you know, why not just wait
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: to see if you know, Brendan Donovan falls in your lap.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: But why where's the Giants fan?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: You know, Buster Posey, we got this, we do this
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: was their move getting Devers last year. Where is the
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Giants been? Because the Giants are that team that's always
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: rumored to you know, oh, they're gonna get this guy,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: and they might they're sneaky, gonna sign this guy and
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: do this. And this offseason they've been relatively quiet, especially
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: on the big name guys.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the exactly is that Devers was their
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: big guy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: If they signed him during the Winner, people say, oh,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: what a great move, sign a Domas to the big
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: time contract last year. So they've been spending some big
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: time money. Uh, you know, didn't pay off for him
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: last year. So I think there's they were always playing
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: and just do it kind of quietly that Hey, they
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: weren't going to go out and get a big time
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: free agent. They were just gonna kind of work in
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: the margins and see who falls in there. Obviously they
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: already have a big payroll. But yeah, they've never in
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: on any of these guys. Uh, you know, could they
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: be a sneaky team on Bichette, possibly, but I haven't
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: heard that at all.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Well, they need a second baseman, they did, there's your
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: second basement. There's another star you can add to the mix.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: There you go, Bob, Bob said it here first man.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, to the giants. There's been no links there,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: no at.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Least at all.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: No.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it is uh it was. You know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: market isn't what he thinks it's gonna be. You might
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: as well throw your name of the fire and see
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: what happens. But yeah, I mean, but yeah, Philadelphia is
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: very very optimistic, or at least more than Caution is
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: optimistic now that big ship.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Could be a perfect fit for him.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I think people in Philadelphia and the front office are a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: lot more excited about Bishett now than they were two
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: weeks ago.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Bob, are there any trade names that you feel are
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: a definite over the next few weeks to actually happen?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And we put the catel Marte trade talks to bed.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like Schoogle's happening, although maybe this arbitration
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: battle kicks that up. Freddy Paralta, Brendan Donovan or anyone
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: else we're missing, I.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Mean Paralta Stills, I think that part's gonna be off
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: there at all. Spring he's not dealt before.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I think the mess are just waiting for someone to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: overpay and using somebody will I he's not making money. Uh,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously David Stearns knows sham. Do they make
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: a run for pro Alta?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Why not? Uh?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: You know, but you kind of wonder what the what
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the Cubs have done there. We're getting Cabrera, getting Brugman
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Brewers fans. I think we'll go bonkers if they trade
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: away pro Alta, Like, what are we doing here? We've
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: dominated this division, we believe going to raise a white
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: flag here and not go for it again.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So I think being a hard pr sell right now
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to trade Pralta, Bob, good stuff.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: We appreciate it as always great to check back in,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and still a ton more to go over the next
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: few weeks.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: It'll be busy.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: We'll talk see all right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Sounds good, Thank you guys,