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Ep 43 - Pop culture mysteries including Tupac, Dolly Parton, Hayden Panettiere · Beyond the White Coat

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Beyond the White Coat Podcast, where we break down myths in health, beauty, and wellness so you can look, feel, and perform your best.
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SPEAKER_02: We're your hosts, Sharia Mamm and Megan Del Corral, here to bring you real talk beyond the medical titles.
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SPEAKER_02: Before we dive in, quick disclaimer.
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SPEAKER_02: The views and opinions shared in this podcast are for entertainment purposes only.
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SPEAKER_02: This is not medical advice and does not reflect the host's roles or responsibilities at Vital Medical or Hue Aesthetics.
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SPEAKER_02: Now let's get into it.
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SPEAKER_00: Instagram and being recorded here for Bodie.
0:35
SPEAKER_00: Hi, baby.
0:36
SPEAKER_00: Bodie's gained three pounds.
0:38
SPEAKER_00: What did you say?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
0:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh welcome to another episode of Beyond the White Coat Podcast.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: If you were listening last week, you know I got a new fur baby, which I heard someone say they don't like that term, but I like that term fur baby.
0:51
SPEAKER_02: Mr.
0:51
SPEAKER_02: Bodhi B-O-D-H-I.
0:53
SPEAKER_02: And he is laying at my feet because he had school today and he's very tired.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: Thank God.
0:59
SPEAKER_02: How's that coming along?
1:01
SPEAKER_02: Shout out to Nick Pause.
1:04
SPEAKER_02: Pause, look and listen.
1:06
SPEAKER_02: He is an excellent dog trainer.
1:09
SPEAKER_02: He we are in the like puppy intensive program.
1:12
SPEAKER_02: He comes to the house four times a week for an hour.
1:16
SPEAKER_02: And Bodhi is like exhausted when he's done.
1:19
SPEAKER_02: So the my first order of business or my first wish list, I was like, listen, we gotta get some sleep in this house, and we're trying to crate him at night.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: And that was great within two sessions.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: He now is quiet and sleeps through the night.
1:32
SPEAKER_02: And the last knock on wood, four nights, he has had a dry pee pad in his crate.
1:38
SPEAKER_02: So now we're working on potty training because we're definitely still having accidents in the house, which isn't fun for everybody, anybody, especially me, and leash walking, which he is hilarious.
1:50
SPEAKER_02: He has no idea how to walk on a leash.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: And everyone in my neighborhood knows I am a psycho.
1:54
SPEAKER_02: I walk our dogs every single morning.
1:57
SPEAKER_02: And what I did was I got it's called a coupler, where essentially so Nova is on a leash around my waist because I run with her after I take them for a walk.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: So from that leash, it splits into two, and one goes to Nova's harness harness and one goes to Bodhi's harness, and she gets so mad because this is they're tethered together.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
2:18
SPEAKER_02: And Bodhi's just like barking at her face, trying to jump over her, jump, run underneath her, and I'm like dragging Gibbs with his own leash because he's doesn't want anything to do with that.
2:28
SPEAKER_02: It's hilarious.
2:29
SPEAKER_02: But she's like, What is happening?
2:31
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Bodhi's doing great.
2:32
SPEAKER_02: He gained three pounds, he's growing.
2:35
SPEAKER_02: They think he's actually gonna be a little bigger than I thought.
2:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
2:38
SPEAKER_02: So he's supposed to be.
2:39
SPEAKER_02: Well, so his parents are both in the 45-50 pound range.
2:45
SPEAKER_02: The vet thinks he's gonna be closer to 60, which is how much Nova weighs.
2:48
SPEAKER_02: Which will make me sad.
2:49
SPEAKER_02: Like, I I now understand why people like little dogs because having that control where I can just pick him up, right?
2:56
SPEAKER_02: If he's like getting into something or doing something, I just like pull his little tail and like pick him up.
3:01
SPEAKER_02: When he's 60 pounds, I like won't be able to do that.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, he's funny.
3:06
SPEAKER_00: So I think you're experiencing what most parents are experiencing this back to school thing.
3:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
3:11
SPEAKER_00: Bodies back to school.
3:12
SPEAKER_02: Bodie's back to school, yeah.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: The next three days.
3:14
SPEAKER_00: And I think the parents are happy that maybe the kids are back to school.
3:19
SPEAKER_00: That's what I've been hearing from every patient.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say to every single one of my patients, and um, you know, I always enter with, like, hi, how are you feeling?
3:26
SPEAKER_02: Everything's going through.
3:27
SPEAKER_02: Every single one is like, I am so happy my kids are in school.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: One lady was like this morning, literally, she goes, I took them to school.
3:37
SPEAKER_02: I came home and I took a nap.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: And it was the first nap I've had in three months.
3:41
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I bet that was the best nap ever.
3:44
SPEAKER_02: She was like, It was.
3:45
SPEAKER_02: There was no one in my house, it was so quiet.
3:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was, it's been great.
3:49
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: So you're talking about sleep and rest and things that you need to do to kind of reach out to the things.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: I don't do enough of right now.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:57
SPEAKER_00: So I was gonna actually talk about that today.
3:59
SPEAKER_00: What is like something that you just have to have?
4:01
SPEAKER_00: What's a non-negotiable in terms of like your alone time and what you need for your own sanity?
4:07
SPEAKER_00: Exercise.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: That is your alone time, that is your sanity.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: So would you if you could exercise for three hours or sleep for ten, and you had to choose either or, what would you choose?
4:21
SPEAKER_02: I would exercise for three hours.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: My god, I'd be asleep.
4:25
SPEAKER_02: I mean, in order to do that, I need to sleep, but right, yeah.
4:29
SPEAKER_02: I definitely am just like a happier person if I it doesn't have to be rigorous, right?
4:34
SPEAKER_02: It could be walking with the dogs outside, cycling, Pilates, whatever it is, but I feel better.
4:42
SPEAKER_02: And again, I'm yawning on the mic because I am exhausted.
4:45
SPEAKER_02: It's more like we were talking before it turned on.
4:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
4:49
SPEAKER_01: Mental fatigue.
4:50
SPEAKER_02: Planning this B3 event is like plan it reminds me of this time last year.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: I was planning my wedding.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh goodness.
4:57
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly what I feel is the thing.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: Same thing.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: You're like, okay, do we have the food?
5:03
SPEAKER_02: Do we have the drinks?
5:05
SPEAKER_00: So much.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: It's like a whole production.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: Do we have the party favorite?
5:07
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
5:08
SPEAKER_02: Literally, it's everything.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm so grateful that we've got a lot of attendees.
5:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you to everyone who have thank you very much.
5:18
SPEAKER_02: Got tickets.
5:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we still have some tickets on sale, but we are getting down to yeah, that final kind of closing time because we do want to have a comfortable audience and we don't want the room to be too full.
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SPEAKER_02: So if you haven't purchased your ticket yet, please do so.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: I will always make sure to include the event link in the show notes.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: So take a look at those.
5:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, do you want us have a little like pop culture tea time?
5:47
SPEAKER_00: Let's just talk about something that can make us laugh.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's what I'm gonna tell you.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so a couple things have happened in pop culture.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: And if Anne, if you really want to go back, go back like 20 episodes and listen to our entire breakdown of the Puff Daddy case.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: That was last time we really had some good pop culture.
6:05
SPEAKER_00: But are you gonna talk about how Puff Daddy could be recharged for this?
6:10
SPEAKER_02: For the murder of Tupac Shakur.
6:11
SPEAKER_02: So we've got a lot to cover.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: We've got Dolly Parton, we've got Hayden Hayden Panettone, we've got this case in Ohio that I want to talk about.
6:19
SPEAKER_02: We've got Tupac, we got a lot.
6:21
SPEAKER_02: So let's start there.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: We'll start with Tupac Shakur.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: Let's just talk about do you think that Tupac had something to do?
6:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, with the hit on Biggie?
6:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: Noy, no.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: I think we know that though.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh, Diddy.
6:33
SPEAKER_02: Do you think Diddy had something to do with well the whole thing was like East Coast versus West Coast, and the theory is that the West Coast, whether it was Pac, whether it was Shug Knight or everything, you know, one of those personnel were the ones who put the head out on Biggie, and then the idea is like they were the ones who then the East Coast, which is bad boy records, were the ones who put the head out on Tupac Shakur.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: Do I think Sean Puffycombs had something to do with that?
7:02
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, yes.
7:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, 100%.
7:05
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's crazy that again.
7:07
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what like legal ramifications.
7:10
SPEAKER_00: This is just art, culture, yeah, yeah, yeah.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: We're just talking shit.
7:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm more fascinated that at one point they were sleeping on each other's couches.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: Like, where do you get to the point you become enemies and then you put it?
7:22
SPEAKER_02: So you want to actually want to hurt kill someone.
7:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
7:26
SPEAKER_02: It's not like I'm gonna steal your girl or something like that.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: It's like, I mean, let's just be real.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: In this world, there's no there's like a blur, right?
7:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like music, it's like violence, it's like money, it's it's disrespect, it's east coast, west coast.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: So I can see where things kind of get a little bit blurred in terms of you know, power.
7:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
7:51
SPEAKER_00: Because it's all I feel like that's what it comes down to is power.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I was hearing from the prison and Suge Knight has been giving all these like interviews.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: I couldn't think of the word.
8:02
SPEAKER_02: And it's really funny because on the interview they're like, This is a recording from blah blah blah penitentiary.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, it's really funny, but I thought that Suge Knight could have potentially had something to do with it.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: Of course he did.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: I think they all did cahoots.
8:15
SPEAKER_02: All were in cahoots.
8:17
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we got that check.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: Dolly Parton legend.
8:22
SPEAKER_00: She you know what's uh everybody knows how incredibly amazing and how talented and what she's done for um the music industry.
8:32
SPEAKER_00: And just like a kind human.
8:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay, did you see the thing the Eminem put out a letter that she wrote to him?
8:38
SPEAKER_00: Did you see that?
8:39
SPEAKER_00: No, no, I didn't.
8:39
SPEAKER_00: Was it sweet?
8:40
SPEAKER_00: It was the sweetest.
8:41
SPEAKER_00: She was just like, I just want you to know, you may not understand this, but we have a lot in common.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: I understand the complexities of your life, and I'm so sad that I didn't get an opportunity to meet you.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was just like the nicest thing, and all these things.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I like Eminem.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm a huge Eminem fan.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: Just all these things that keep on coming out about just her character and what she represented.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, she is shout out to a high-class lady with some big ass titties.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: Big boobies and gorgeous.
9:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's so beautiful, flawlessly beautiful.
9:12
SPEAKER_00: I know.
9:13
SPEAKER_02: Well, Dolly Pardon, may your memory always be a blessing, yes.
9:17
SPEAKER_02: All right, and then Hayden Panet Panatone.
9:20
SPEAKER_02: I think I'm saying her name wrong.
9:22
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
9:22
SPEAKER_02: So she was a key actress in my favorite movie of all time.
9:28
SPEAKER_02: Remember the Titans, she's the daughter.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: She's so pretty, too.
9:31
SPEAKER_00: Bless her heart.
9:32
SPEAKER_02: So sad.
9:33
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I want to know what's up with the boyfriend.
9:35
SPEAKER_02: So I've been watching TMC stuff coming out about him.
9:39
SPEAKER_02: You guys have to if you just look up again, I'm gonna say her name wrong, but Hayden Panatary or Panatary, or I thought it was Panatone, but one of those boyfriend, and there's an interview, they show it on TMZ, and he is so high out of his mind while he's giving this interview.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: He's like slurring his words, he's like looking off into space, and I'm like, bro, if you're trying to say you're had nothing to do with this, yeah, you are not making a case for it.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: Because he and his brother were there, they had Narcan there.
10:09
SPEAKER_02: They claimed they fell asleep, they woke up and saw that she had overdose and died.
10:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that not small, right?
10:15
SPEAKER_02: And she had already filed charges.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: He was indicted for domestic violence against her.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: You know what makes me so sad is that if I'm saying this wrong, I apologize, but I think she just lost her brother a few years ago, and she hadn't even really recovered from that.
10:31
SPEAKER_00: And I know that a couple of yeah, she really struggled.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: She just put out a book, she was really struggling.
10:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the last and she you know what I really appreciated about her rest in peace?
10:41
SPEAKER_00: In her interviews, she never sugarcoated struggles.
10:45
SPEAKER_02: 100%.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: I was really respected that she talked about her drug addiction and yeah, everything.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: Isn't there now a situation where Neutrogena is under fire because she had come forward, and if I'm saying this wrong, you can just uh correct us in the case.
11:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: Um put a comment.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, essentially um they fired her after she came out and and said that she had postpartum depression.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: And so now I think that there are I mean, who uses Neutrogena though, anyways?
11:14
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people are so upset, they're like boycotting them as a good yes point.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: Like if this is true, and if it's Neutrogena, but I I I'm pretty sure.
11:22
SPEAKER_02: You should only be washing your face with medical grade skincare products, anyways.
11:26
SPEAKER_02: So let's just make that switch now.
11:28
SPEAKER_00: So sad.
11:29
SPEAKER_00: So sad.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: And then I also, as this all this stuff was coming out, I didn't know she lost custody of her daughter.
11:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's enough of the children.
11:39
SPEAKER_02: And she's in to like really the child's in Europe, right?
11:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure she's in the UK or her ex-husband's like a boxer or was a boxer.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, professional boxer, yeah.
11:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: That's so sad.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine having to deal with a child for whatever reason?
11:53
SPEAKER_02: Like, and I think she just did it because the courts and like dealing with international law, uh, from what I understand, was so much and it was like putting too much trauma that she was like, Hey, I'll step back.
12:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, he's a good dad, it'll be fine.
12:05
SPEAKER_02: Hoping to like reunite with her daughter in some fashion.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it was I mean, obviously she had a drug addiction, but she went to rehab and spent time being clean, so I d I I really like her, and you know, everyone struggles.
12:17
SPEAKER_02: Right.
12:18
SPEAKER_00: She's a ch she she is the product of like a mother that was in Hollywood, right?
12:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes, so that's what I thought.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: And then they just recently interviewed her mom.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, her mom was horrible.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's happening there.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm not there to judge how she's mourning her daughter, but you know, I I just hate it when people come forward to the city.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, they had no relationships.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: Hayden had cut her out.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just hate it when like they go and just for like thirst interview traps or whatever.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: Thirst traps, yeah.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: Just for viewership, they go and recruit like the neighbor, the mailman, your mom, your dad that you haven't even talked to in years.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: Right.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: So and it's sad because I I picture, I mean, I don't know why I just like empathize on such a level to where I I bet she was just so lonely and so that's what she's dealing with so much, right?
13:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bless her heart.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: Bless her heart.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: All right.
13:09
SPEAKER_02: Next, wait, I got more tea.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: I got more.
13:11
SPEAKER_02: We have more.
13:12
SPEAKER_02: She's a good one.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: I got more, you guys.
13:14
SPEAKER_02: I got more.
13:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay, next thing.
13:17
SPEAKER_02: And just go into your YouTube and search House of Horrors, Ohio.
13:22
SPEAKER_02: And then you're gonna get all this stuff from Long Crime, which is what I usually watch it on, is Long Crime.
13:26
SPEAKER_00: When do you have time?
13:27
SPEAKER_00: In between your hundred hours of running a day.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: Like while I was setting up the podcast, I was literally listening to it while I'm cooking dinner.
13:34
SPEAKER_02: My husband's always like, Are you listening to that trash again?
13:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I would say this is my news.
13:40
SPEAKER_02: This is my news.
13:41
SPEAKER_02: Leave me alone.
13:42
SPEAKER_02: While I'm on the bike, a lot of I get a lot of stuff like accumulate a lot in two places.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: One when I'm walking the dogs in the morning, because when I run, I don't like that.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: And two, when I'm cycling.
13:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay, House of Horrors.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: This is crazy.
13:55
SPEAKER_02: And this is in Ohio in a little town called Benton County, Ohio.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: It's like a pretty impoverished area.
14:02
SPEAKER_02: Nothing the county didn't do anything wrong.
14:04
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
14:05
SPEAKER_02: So it's a mom and dad, the Ciders, in their late 30s, and then they were living with Gary Siders, who's the husband's parents, in this very small, very run-down home with 16 children.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: Who did the kids belong to?
14:23
SPEAKER_02: To Gary and I think her name's Melissa, but Mr.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: and Mrs.
14:27
SPEAKER_02: Siders.
14:27
SPEAKER_02: She got married to Gary when she was 15 and pregnant.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: Now there are multiple twins in that 16.
14:34
SPEAKER_02: There actually at one point were 18 twins.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: She or 18 kids.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: She gave birth to conjoin twins who died in this house full of like feces and roaches and like just decrepit.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: The kids never went to school, so they all have developmental delays and like and now what came out today, like the big so the reason they went in, how they even found these kids.
14:57
SPEAKER_02: One, there have been multiple CPS alerts because the kids weren't going to school.
15:01
SPEAKER_02: And I forget the name of it when you miss so much school, but there's a a name for it.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: But they deemed all 16 of these children essentially like weren't meeting criteria.
15:10
SPEAKER_02: So the county went in multiple times and were like, hey, these kids need to go to school.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: And when they would find the kids, they would say, you know, this is deplorable.
15:17
SPEAKER_02: They can't be in these conditions, like there's no hygiene, there's no no one's bathing, da-da-da.
15:22
SPEAKER_02: And they were trying to work with the ciders to say, like, okay, let's create up a program and let's try to help you get you food stamps, you know, government support, etc.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: And when that would happen, they would pick up and move and go somewhere else.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: And they did this for years to like evade, you know what I mean?
15:38
SPEAKER_02: So essentially, there was a warrant out for the dad, Gary Siders, arrest for what they claim was public indecency.
15:45
SPEAKER_02: Now we're finding out that that was really kind of like a fluff charge to get in because there's a bigger case of sexual misconduct.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I'm obsessed.
15:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm obsessed.
15:57
SPEAKER_02: House of Horrors, Ohio.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: Everyone just go home and listen to it.
16:00
SPEAKER_02: So it the plot thickens, right?
16:02
SPEAKER_02: This is what I'm trying to tell you.
16:04
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: So, how this came about.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: So, apparently there were some of the 16 children were in a dollar general store, and they reported to the people who were working there that they were being sexually mistreated in their home.
16:19
SPEAKER_02: And so the dollar store employees called the police, and so they were building a case.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: And so they had this public indecency charge as their like way in.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, removed all the kids.
16:29
SPEAKER_02: The kids are now ward of the state, and they're all in they've been in the hospital.
16:32
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're traumatized and they're very unhealthy, they have infections, like all this stuff going on.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: And the grandparents, and obviously the parents are now in jail.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: I think she's I think the mom's pregnant again, which I'm like, good lord, fertile myrtle.
16:44
SPEAKER_02: Like, can we just throw out some IUDs, please?
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: So where are they at with this?
16:50
SPEAKER_02: Is are they on trial or are they and essentially, I mean, they have said that these parents will never ever come near these children again.
16:57
SPEAKER_02: The problem is now you have these children, especially the older kids.
17:00
SPEAKER_02: The younger ones I think can be rehabilitated, right?
17:03
SPEAKER_02: But the older ones have never gone to school, they don't know how to read, they don't know how to write.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: Like so sad.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: It is so sad they're in a system.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: Now they're in a system.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: So what else?
17:15
SPEAKER_00: I know you've got all the two.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay, what else?
17:18
SPEAKER_02: Let me see.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: There was that.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, there's the Lindsay Clancy case.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't know as much about that.
17:24
SPEAKER_02: It was a mom who killed her children.
17:25
SPEAKER_00: She's got a lot of supporters, actually.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, interesting.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: So you tell me.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't know as much about that one.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: So I I'm from what I've just the brief things that I've caught.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: So she's basically a nurse that ended up killing her children, but she they said that she was trying to seek help before this happened.
17:40
SPEAKER_02: And that she hear like her voices, right?
17:42
SPEAKER_02: Or something like that.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: And so where I kind of saw what was happening was there was like protesters outside her courthouse, and there were like people that actually worked with her, like other nurses and co-workers in the hospital that was like, This is not who we knew.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: That we definitely, when we found out that her her children were killed, essentially we knew that she had snapped because leading up to that, she had talked to a couple people about struggling with postpartum.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, it's it's always so hard when you hear that.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: One, I I'm not a mother, so I don't know.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but we both are healthcare professionals.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I always go back to when I was in nursing school 18 years ago.
18:24
SPEAKER_02: Yes, each in my psych rotation.
18:26
SPEAKER_02: I still remember this day.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: We were we had to like, you know, go to the ward and we were there, and I always remembered there was a woman there because she was so beautiful, she was so pretty.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: And the reason why she was there, and I probably I think I might have told the story before, was because she was suffering with postpartum depression and she drank an entire bottle bleach.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: And I always remember that story, and I was like, Oh my god, I mean, how much does that prove it's such an illness that you will drink a bottle of bleach?
18:56
SPEAKER_00: I remember my sister, I have a niece, and my sister, after my sister had her, I went over there and just to help my sister out, and she was like, Charia, she's like, I have to tell you something, and I she's like, Please don't think I'm crazy.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, What is it?
19:12
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, What's going on?
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Are you okay?
19:15
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, My sister struggled to have my niece, and so it was such a big gift that she had a Trinity, but she said that after Trinity was born, she could not really respond with her.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Like she knew she loved her, right?
19:32
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: She knew she wanted her there, but it was like this is like a human that's been that came from me, and now I am absolutely responsible for everything that this human does.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: Like the pressure, and she said so she said it was like a month and a half before she kind of realized that this was not like okay.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: And so my first thing was you have to talk to your doctor 100%.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a scoring system.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: Like when we were at the clinic, I mean, that was as the intern, that was always my job, and I'd be like, Okay, we need we need intervene, we need some pharmacology here.
20:07
SPEAKER_02: Like absolutely this one's not okay.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I so I and I know that like I mean it's terrible, it's it's such a I mean, it's it's a situation where you just don't know until you're under that level of pressure.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: 100%.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: I remember when it when I was in leadership class and we did this uh poverty, and then this is a little bit different, but this poverty simulation.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: And I was married with like three kids and had very little income.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: We got evicted, we didn't have health insurance, one of the kids got sick, and we had to play out this scenario so we could understand how the social system works.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: The level of stress within a five-hour window that I have.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: You're like, Can I get my medical grade skincare?
20:53
SPEAKER_02: I don't understand how can I use a food stamp for that?
20:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess basically what I'm saying is like just for some people can't.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: Count your blessings.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that's most of my tea.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think of other things besides meta continues to be very frustrating when it comes to social media censoring, and I don't agree with that.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: I do have something that I wanted to share with you.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: What's up?
21:16
SPEAKER_00: So I had a patient that came in and uh she uh found us um through Google.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: And thank you, Google.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: Thank you when the system works.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and so go Google uh she read the reviews and she said that one of the reasons why she came in was one of the comments was basically that I'm not like a yes person.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: I think you and I are very much the same.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: Okay, we were kind of talking about that in our meeting tonight, yeah.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: And so she came in and she shared with me um kind of like her her wants or her complaints and stuff, and she had a history of changes within her HRT.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: They couldn't get it right, yeah, and so I obviously like I brought You know that yeah, yeah.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: So obviously, like I referred her to you, but she said that every single time that they would change medications or they would take her off something and start something new, she felt like she was living outside of her body.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: And at that moment, I realized that this must have been a sign because I I thought it would go right into our B3 summit.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: This is the reason why come listen.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: This is the reason why we have to do things like this, right?
22:33
SPEAKER_00: And she was in that she was seeing somebody that was very well, you know, recommended to her, a great clinician.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: And she just said to me, and I and I said to her, you know, you have to be patient, like not everything works for everybody, and you're just gonna have to learn how to titrate, and it's uh affecting my personal relationships.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's affecting my work relationships.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: And I am sick and tired, so maybe you can touch upon this.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm sick and tired of my friends who are having successful agents.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's the worst.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: That's what I tell everybody don't go on Facebook and social media and talk about how your dose, your protocol, your thing is working for you, and shame other women who aren't doing the same thing because we are our own snowflakes, like we are all different, and the dosing method, modality, treatment, protocol, timing, frequency, whatever, can be different for everybody, and you have to respect that because it is really disheartening.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: Because I get a lot of women, they're like, I went in this Facebook group and they said that my estradiol should be 200.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, You can't tolerate it being 50 without bleeding through your hoo-haw.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you think it's gonna be like when I jack that level up 150 nanograms per deciliter more?
23:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, and who you know what I mean?
23:58
SPEAKER_02: It's like that's not reasonable.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna get you're gonna gain a bunch of fat, your breasts are gonna swell, you're gonna bleed like a stuffed pig, like you're gonna be really irritable, you're gonna lash out at your husband, you're gonna gain 10 pounds.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's not a good place to be, right?
24:12
SPEAKER_02: But then there are some women who you're correct, like they live their lives like little fertile myrtles, tend to really like higher estrogen in the postmenopause period.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: So I think you know, the important thing is understanding the context, and like I always say, understanding what your hormones can do for you and what their limitations are.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: And I think people just put again so much, I've said it before, so much responsibility and so much blame on hormone therapy.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: They want it to fix their life, and sometimes it ruins their life.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I was I was actually sharing with her that I thought that like she should probably are, you know, seek other types of therapy as well because it I mean, she does need the support as she's going through these changes of life and also these changes in medications until they figure out what works for her.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: And like I she shared with me.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm sick and tired of my friends telling me I'm gonna feel amazing in three months because they're all living their best life and having sex with their boyfriend and their husband.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: And I just want to strangle my husband and everything that he does irritates me irritates me with it so much.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: I thought of you.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: No, I appreciate the referral.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, it it is it's a it's a hard field to manage.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: And again, I I get that I'm like sitting from a place of authority and I don't want to say privilege because I've worked really hard to get here, but like in my head, it just makes sense, right?
25:36
SPEAKER_02: For a lot of women it doesn't.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: Like they I had a woman yesterday who like pretty much wanted to argue with me, and I was like, listen, you don't have to do what I'm saying.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: Like you are an adult of capacity, your life is not in danger.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: Right?
25:50
SPEAKER_02: These are my recommendations based on your blood work, based on your symptoms, based on your history.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: But if you want to seek care somewhere else, you're welcome to do so.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, because she was just so in her own way.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: Like she was the definition of being in her own way when I spoke to her and and she kind of came in with I mean she had rampant hypothyroidism, she's postmenopausal, it's like all the things, right?
26:15
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Okay, so you know, presently let's just go through your medications.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: She's like, Well, I was recommended to start thyroid medication and her TSH, her thyroid stimulating hormone was eight, which is very high.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Okay, but by the way that you phrase it makes me think you haven't started it.
26:31
SPEAKER_02: And she was like, No, I haven't.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to see what you think.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, I think you have hypothyroidism.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, you know, I was like, I understand if you want to be holistic about it and you still need to, you know, work on the nervous system, work on da-da-da, and maybe at some point you can evaluate where your thyroid is, but presently, if you want to feel better in the present, walking around with a thyroid stimulating hormone more than double what it should be or what you know optimal is is not going to help you.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: And she was like, and she was just so fixated on it, right?
27:03
SPEAKER_02: That she didn't want to take thyroid medication.
27:06
SPEAKER_02: I was like, You can take 17 different herbal supplements that aren't regulated, and you're probably gonna have heart palpitations and chest pain and da-da-da.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: You're welcome to go down that route.
27:15
SPEAKER_02: Like, again, I'm here just to guide you.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: And and she even got into the weeds.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: I still remember when I was like, You tell me like what's ailing you physically day to day, what what's bothering you?
27:26
SPEAKER_02: And she goes, I feel like I have cell danger response.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: Cell danger response.
27:32
SPEAKER_02: I said, You're telling me that's a symptom, because I'm gonna need some more description, right?
27:38
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not trying to make fun of this patient, I just literally think that like people get all these terms and it's like clickbait, right, on social media.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Cell danger response isn't a diagnosis, nor is it a symptom.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm wondering how a layman person would even come across something like that.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure I don't know, some biohacker or something, you know.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: So in my head, I was like, like, are you swollen?
28:02
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
28:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, are you tired?
28:04
SPEAKER_02: Do you have hair loss?
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, let's put this into words that I can treat and I can deal with.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: So, question for you Yes, is DEM necessary?
28:15
SPEAKER_02: D I M.
28:15
SPEAKER_02: Diendyl methane, no, it's not necessary.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Can it be helpful?
28:19
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: So it's an herbal, so dim is an over-the-counter supplement used for estrogen detoxification, essentially.
28:28
SPEAKER_02: So, couple context.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Let's say you are still menstruating, so you know, up fertile years and you're overweight, you have heavy periods, you have painful periods, which you know that's menorasia, dysmenorrhea, and so we would class and you're obese.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: So we would classify you as estrogen dominant, essentially, and that's because meaning you have more estrogen than you do progesterone, because those two hormones are supposed to be in synergy with one another, and it usually shows up like those symptoms.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: So we would use dianomethane or dim to help clear out the estrogen.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Now, that's not probably going to be enough, not probably, it's not going to be enough again to treat the root cause.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: Where, you know, what would be even better would be one, something like glutathione.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Glutathione is a tripeptide that is very potent with estrogen detoxification, and two, a GLP1.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: That's what I would say for that.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: Now, in my menopausal women, especially if they're using something that's called a Dutch test, which is a dried urinary test for hormones, we can look at their estrogen metabolites.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: So the way that their body processes estrogen and clears it out, which is what we do all the time with everything.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: We breathe in and even oxygen right when we exhale CO2 or carbon dioxide.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: We're always doing that with everything.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: And there's a process called methylation, which is a little bit complicated, but essentially it's adding carbon groups to an ion at the level of the liver to then again excrete it.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: And some women are poor estrogen detoxifiers, and a lot of times it's genetic.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Again, a lot of it's metabolic, especially if they're not on a GLP one.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: So is there a test that you can take to know if you so the Dutch test, we'll show that, or a methylation test, we'll show that.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: And so sometimes for women, especially if they're like, hey, I love my estrogen because I'm not having hot flashes, I don't have vaginal dryness anymore, my libido is better, but I'm having a lot of breast tenderness, a lot of breast engorgement, I'm having some irritability, mood swings, and our progesterone is balanced.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: We might use dim to then allow the patient to essentially have her cake and eat it too, to be on estrogen and to appropriately process it.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: I don't use it a ton.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: It's really big in like the coaching holistic space.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: A lot of people do it.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: So to answer your question, that's what it is, that's when it's useful.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: Do we have to use it?
30:45
SPEAKER_02: No.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: Like personally, I've been on estrogen for 12 years and I don't use DIM.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: So would you choose glutathione over DEM if that was like a Probably I think it's better or calcium deglucurate, it's another one, but I like glutathione a lot.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: But it's also because I'm in the peptide space, it's probably a little personal bias.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: And this is why you have to come to the B3 Summit.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: Look, I'm asking questions.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: I might be in the odds.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: That was a good that was a good question.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: Because that's a thing now, because everybody thinks that as soon as you get on semestrogen to prescribe.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: I get questions like that all the time.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:23
SPEAKER_02: I was told I should be like so.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: Today, my tell you something funny.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: My brother calls me up and he's like, hey, he's just like this odd character, right?
31:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're very close in a is he coming to B3?
31:36
SPEAKER_00: His company is actually Tell him to stop by.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: I just want to meet him.
31:39
SPEAKER_02: Or he can come to the VIP Jenner on Friday just so I can say Oh, I don't want him to come.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Why?
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Because I just want to like you don't know.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: I haven't met him.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's he's great.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: He he owns quality sports training with his partner Casuli.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: They're gonna be us their sponsors for the summit, so definitely they'll be there.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: But you know, he just has a he he just has such a you call it the Peter Pan, like of the world.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: Won't grow up, yeah.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: Just won't grow up, loves life, and I actually envy that.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: Like I mean, I look at things probably on the extreme end of like everything is so serious, and he's like, Life is short, not a big deal, right?
32:18
SPEAKER_00: So he calls me up and he's like, Hey, he's like, uh how much do you have in your savings?
32:23
SPEAKER_00: Just out of the blue, and I'm like, why would you ask me that?
32:26
SPEAKER_00: He's like, Yeah, I I want to buy a car for our sister, just out of the blue, out of nowhere.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, and and the thought is really sweet because my my sister does a lot for my parents, as as I've shared, and my dad has Parkinson, so my sister, because I'm working 24-7 and everybody else is out here, but um, he's like, I I really want her to get have a nice car to like drive my parents around.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: So I can't I was like, Well, I I don't have a car to I mean I don't have the money to just go outright and buy a car.
32:58
SPEAKER_00: So I'm thinking, like, okay, he probably wants to buy like a reasonable, like maybe something like that.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: He sends me like a picture of like a Land Rover.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: But no.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, No, no, no, no.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: He's like, but if she's driving around mom and dad, like we can, like this, this needs to be a I'm like, how about like a like a Toyota Camry or something like that, you know?
33:23
SPEAKER_00: But I was just sitting there and I thought, you know what, I can't be mad at him because he's trying to do a nice thing, the nicest thing ever.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: But also, no.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: But everybody, I mean, just think about that was really kind of sibling that was just like, hey, I want to buy it.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I can't even get it.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: I do have a sibling, we're not gonna talk about that ever on the podcast.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: No, shout out to Danielle, my sister.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: I do love you.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: We are we are rehabbing our relationship in Washington, DC.
33:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
33:49
SPEAKER_02: She will be here for Thanksgiving.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: Is she younger or older than you?
33:52
SPEAKER_02: We are three years and eight hours apart.
33:54
SPEAKER_02: She is older.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: Three years and eight hours apart.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, birthdays are one day apart.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: She was born on November 24th.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm on the 25th.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: And she works for the government essentially.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: She lives in Washington, D.C.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: Talking about over there.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: You shared with me that Erin is getting married.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: Erin Ramirez.
34:11
SPEAKER_02: So Erin Ramirez is my social media coordinator.
34:14
SPEAKER_02: She's also social media coordinator for B3, Vital Medical.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: She does a lot.
34:18
SPEAKER_02: She's also our affiliate coordinator.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: She's getting married October 12th, and I'm so excited.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: So funny, because I was not expecting to get invited.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: Very excited to be, and I got it.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: I saw the invite come through in the mail, and it said the future Mrs.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: Brennan.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Who the heck is Mrs.
34:35
SPEAKER_02: Brennan?
34:36
SPEAKER_02: And I was like so confused.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: And even when I opened up, it's like a really beautiful envelope, had these flowers.
34:41
SPEAKER_02: It was, it's so pretty.
34:43
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Who is this?
34:45
SPEAKER_02: And then I started reading to it, and I saw a picture for her.
34:47
SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh my god, Erin! And it just made me laugh.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: And so yeah, I told David, I'm like, we gotta make this work, gotta figure it out because Erin's my girl.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: I love her.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: She's really fallen into so everyone knows about Olivia and Libby.
35:01
SPEAKER_02: I always talk about them.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: They're like my ride or die.
35:04
SPEAKER_02: Girlies, I mean, we will forever work together.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: And Erin kind of like fell into the fold.
35:10
SPEAKER_02: And the thing with Olivia and Libby and I is if we love you, we will love you to the day you die.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: If we don't like you, you are gonna have a job.
35:21
SPEAKER_02: Of course, it's not gonna be good.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: It's always funny because even when the three of us talk, you know, we'll be like, this happened.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: They told me not to tell anybody, but of course I'm gonna tell the uh two of you, and I'm like, yeah, that's like anything.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: Like people have to know if they tell me something, I'm gonna tell Livia.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, it's just never gonna not be that way.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: Like, she is like an extension of me, she's like my arm, and Libby is my leg.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, and we've really kind of taken Erin into the fold, and we love her, so she's she's all in.
35:55
SPEAKER_02: So she's coming to visit.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: And audience, everyone look at my face right now.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: I want everyone to pay attention.
36:01
SPEAKER_02: And if you're just listening, you're gonna have to imagine the fact that my lips are very appropriate right now.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: My lips are good.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: I got them done last week, but they could always be bigger.
36:11
SPEAKER_02: And Erin is coming in, she's gonna get treated by Cha-Chawn.
36:14
SPEAKER_02: I was like, hey, you're probably not gonna use a whole syringe.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: Can I just have the other whatever's left in my lip?
36:21
SPEAKER_02: And this bitch over here doesn't want to give me bigger lips, and I'm getting kind of mad.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what lip filler migration looks like?
36:29
SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna migrate it.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: You're too talented.
36:31
SPEAKER_02: Just make them bigger.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: So let me just share with you that I want the audience to put in the comments if I should have bigger lips and you should all say yes.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: Always have to stop this woman.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: First of all, I keep on sharing with her that you have the type of lips that have a higher risk for filling.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: Because I have no, I had none.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: You have smaller lips, right?
36:54
SPEAKER_00: You even had to intentionally migrate to the life.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: I had to intentionally give you just a little bit of a lift to which which bone to make it like open it up.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: And so, I mean, this is what I'm talking about.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: Like, guys, should I just fire her with my patient?
37:08
SPEAKER_00: Like the level of stress that she puts me through because she wants bigger lips.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: This is this is what we have to deal with.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: I do like you did a little bit in my marionette lines, and I love that.
37:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm like, oh, we could always do more of that.
37:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: But no, we're not, we're not making it.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Or maybe you can put it in my chin.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: I really liked it.
37:25
SPEAKER_02: I liked it.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: It was a year ago we did my chin.
37:28
SPEAKER_02: I really liked that.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: And thank you for being transparent because I'll tell everybody everything.
37:35
SPEAKER_02: I have nothing to I hate when people do that.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: I hate people doing that.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: Please give me my credit.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you feel you feel amazing, you look amazing, getting yourself.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: And don't lie about it.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: You can lie to your husband, let me be clear.
37:48
SPEAKER_02: So that you can do.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: But if a girlfriend, a patient, a colleague, someone's looking, you need to say this is what's up.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: And I will tell you that when you said that it reminded me up.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: So there's a podcast I love, and I'm not gonna shame them.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: I really like it.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: It's actually one of my top favorite, and I'm obsessed with the girl, it's a his and her on it.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: And she is kind of transparent, but she's kind of not, and I get it's because I mean she's had the Kardashians on her podcast, right?
38:14
SPEAKER_02: So, like, she's very high up, but she's been talking about how you know she wants to get in the best shape of her life, da-da-da.
38:21
SPEAKER_02: I know, and I I'm on one, I don't care.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: I prescribe it, but I know she's using a GOP one, and I wish she would just say it because I think it would break that barrier for a lot of people versus like trying to hide it.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: I I see it more as like, hey, I'm taking my health so seriously because I need to do better that I'm going to use this tool.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: I love having that commonality with my patients.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Like every patient that sits in my seat, I'm like, yep, been there, I've been overweight, I've done the GRP on microdosing, yeah, I'm on HRT.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: Like, I get it.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
38:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm doing neutrophil, I'm getting both fillers, I'm getting all of that.
38:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm happy to talk about like, hey, this is my experience when we did chin filler.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, I really thought, you know, we didn't do much.
39:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't I have no idea.
39:05
SPEAKER_02: I shouldn't even say things that I don't know about.
39:07
SPEAKER_02: But she it made like my side profile look so much better.
39:11
SPEAKER_02: Like I really saw a return, or I didn't know what sculpture was.
39:14
SPEAKER_02: Once I started doing it, and I look at pictures before and after, like my glow is just so much deeper.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't wear makeup most days.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: Da da da.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm happy to be like, this is what I know from what you've told me.
39:26
SPEAKER_02: Again, half of it I don't understand.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: But um yeah, I really don't like when people lie, it really drives me so crazy.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: Just say the truth.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that for me, what bothers me the most is shaming other people that actually do it.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, regardless of what you think, if they're feeling great about how they look, you know, don't shame them.
39:47
SPEAKER_00: Don't shame them.
39:48
SPEAKER_02: No, if you're concerned, like the Ariana going back to pop culture, if you're concerned someone like Ariadna Grande or Kelly Osborne, that's one thing to be like, and again, you shouldn't be shameful.
39:57
SPEAKER_02: You should just say, like if they were addicted to drugs, you would say, Hey, listen, I recognize something may be going on.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm concerned about you because I love you.
40:06
SPEAKER_00: Right.
40:06
SPEAKER_02: That's all you have to say.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: You don't have to make them feel guilty about it.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I think that even within my own family, that you know, when I lost weight, and I'm like, hey, like my sister's like, finally, like you're eating healthier, and my brother's like, oh, she hired a trainer.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, actually, I decided to take charge of my health.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I decided to have that conversation within myself to say, hey, your diet is not helping you, and working out is not getting you to where you need to be.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: So let Megan help you.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: Like Jesus take the wheel.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, like my sisters were like, dude, why are you doing GLP?
40:50
SPEAKER_00: It's like what they hear, right?
40:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, for sure.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna grow a third head, or like your limbs are gonna fall off or some silly pounds lighter, I feel amazing.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Blood pressure's better.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: I came off my blood pressure meds, and I keep on sharing that.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, my statin's been cut down, and I think even now we could probably wean me off of my statin.
41:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: But I feel amazing and no, it's so hard.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: My mom, I mean, I will just say it transparently here.
41:18
SPEAKER_02: So my mother, and we're very close.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: I have such a good relationship with my parents.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm very blessed to have two parents I love.
41:24
SPEAKER_02: But she really I mean, she's so far into that like conventional medical stigma that two things have happened.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: One is really patient harm because of this, and it's really hard as one, her daughter to with someone in the healthcare field to sit back and watch.
41:41
SPEAKER_02: And it's you know, my parents live in Florida, like a lot of retirees, right?
41:45
SPEAKER_02: And she grew up in Jacksonville, she's got blonde hair, uh, green eyes, freckles, she's fair, so she's like a walking textbook for melanoma, right?
41:54
SPEAKER_02: And sh her face has been butchered by these freaking surgeons who come down, they do a thousand MOES procedures in a day, and then they leave town.
42:04
SPEAKER_02: One had a residual stitch, it got infected, the whole thing opened up on her face, she had topical chemo.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: Second one, I told you the story before on her chin, where four weeks, four weeks after a MOS, they did an ablative laser, and so essentially the whole incision disintegrated and opened up, and her face was bleeding out.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: She had to go to the emergency room, get it resutured, all this stuff.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it is unethical.
42:28
SPEAKER_02: Unethical to the point I told her, I'm like, no one is allowed to touch her face.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: You will come to Ohio, I will hire a plastic surgeon, like again, from a place of privilege when it's someone you love.
42:38
SPEAKER_02: But she's so kind and she's such a nice she was like, Oh, you know, it wasn't their fault they told me this happened.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, no, that was a bad medical decision.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: No one uses a CO2 laser on a fresh incision.
42:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that is just silly.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, there you go.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: All my aesthetic providers that are listening.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't work in that field, but I know enough about like collagen and healing and wounds and stuff that you don't do that.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: And when it came to the GLP one, I mean, same thing, she had high blood pressure, and that was the first opportunity where I was like, hey, totally fine.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: I think you should have your blood pressure managed, but I think there's a metabolic component.
43:19
SPEAKER_02: Can you just talk to your cardiologist, whoever's overseeing your care about a GLP one?
43:24
SPEAKER_02: And she was like, I asked them, and they said, you know, Medicare is not going to pay for it, so I don't think it's an option.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh my god, mom.
43:32
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay.
43:34
SPEAKER_02: I was like, I can help you with that.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: You know, I own a practice, you can see one of our clinicians, and she's loved, she's obsessed with Lindsay, who's my colleague.
43:43
SPEAKER_02: Like obsessed.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's literally obsessed with her.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: My mom thinks like Lindsay hung the moon, the stars.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, she's just like, whatever.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: And so then when all this incision went came apart and it was terrible, and she was having this bleeding, I was like, Mom, what's your Iron, so I got really frustrated.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, here, go get your blood drawn.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: So we diagnosed anemia, started treating that, and she was pre-diabetic.
44:07
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay, listen, I don't really care at all what your opinion is anymore.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: This is what I think you need.
44:14
SPEAKER_02: And then her, of course, her first words were, Can I talk to Lindsay about it?
44:18
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, we can schedule you an appointment.
44:21
SPEAKER_02: I know.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: So I literally like recorded her this like loom video going through all her blood work, da-da-da.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: And I sent it to Lindsay.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: Lindsay was dying laughing.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: She was like, You went so deep for your mom.
44:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm trying.
44:34
SPEAKER_02: And she after she saw her, she's like, Oh my god, she's so funny.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: Funny that she said Lindsay.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: I know Lindsay's opinion.
44:41
SPEAKER_02: It's literally, and then she texted me afterwards.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: She's like, She's so great, she's just like the best.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Thanks, Mom.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: But she did say she was like, I'm embarrassed, and I don't want to tell my friends.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Mom, you don't have to tell your friends anything.
44:56
SPEAKER_02: It is none of their GD business.
44:59
SPEAKER_02: You don't have to share anything, you don't want to share, but there's also nothing to be embarrassed about.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, it's a tool.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: I was like, are you embarrassed?
45:07
SPEAKER_02: You're on blood pressure medication.
45:09
SPEAKER_02: She was like, No, I'm like, so why is this any different, right?
45:11
SPEAKER_02: It's a prescription.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, so I'm interested because she's two weeks into treatment.
45:16
SPEAKER_02: I haven't asked her.
45:17
SPEAKER_02: I want to know.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: So basically, what we're saying is don't be gatekeepers.
45:21
SPEAKER_02: Don't be gatekeepers.
45:22
SPEAKER_02: Be honest.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: Just share.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: And even if you had a bad experience, if you're like, hey, I got cheek filler and I looked crazy, let people know.
45:31
SPEAKER_02: So that way.
45:32
SPEAKER_02: So they can come to somebody that knows what they're doing.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: I have not done that.
45:37
SPEAKER_02: Why not?
45:37
SPEAKER_02: Why haven't we done cheek?
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm looking at your face and I'm looking at your mid face.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: So I don't see any deep sous loss right now.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: Whether that would be your deep or fat pads.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: So you have medial and lateral uh deep fat pads and some superficial fat pads that lay on top.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: So your transition zone right now looks really good.
45:58
SPEAKER_00: And from the side, you actually have a neutral vector, so we don't have to do anything right now.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: But that doesn't mean in the future.
46:06
SPEAKER_02: Eventually I have some like I don't know.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: I think that's kind of a fun look, but uh what with the lateral zygoma making you look like an alien?
46:13
SPEAKER_00: I guess no, you won't be getting that from me.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: So actually, the lateral zygoma is the last thing to age, so I would probably approach the mid face and work around the line of ligaments to support see.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: And this is why you should come to B3.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: So you can listen to Cha Cha.
46:29
SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna do a live podcast, which will be really fun.
46:33
SPEAKER_02: Answer questions.
46:35
SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna be funny because I bet we will get a bunch of like how old can you start Botox or whatever?
46:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it'll be fun.
46:42
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
46:43
SPEAKER_00: My I think what I'm looking forward to is my friend Afsha that's coming from Georgia.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, oh yeah, I'm excited to meet her.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: I've I've talked about her a couple times.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: I think that she kept it like a I don't know why she kept it a secret that she was like when we tagged her and she finally reposted it, everyone was like, Oh my god, you're like built for this.
47:05
SPEAKER_00: So this is like her first time that she's coming to present.
47:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, she hasn't presented before?
47:09
SPEAKER_00: And she's like a full-fledged Galderma trainer.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it should be fine.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: This is my advice fake it till you make it, right?
47:15
SPEAKER_02: And I used to give this TED talk to my students at Xavier where it was fake it till you make it and then fake it till you become it.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: And that's how I feel about talking.
47:24
SPEAKER_02: And even when I've been like imagining the event, I'm like, okay, literally, I'm just gonna black out for two days and just like you know, just let it happen, let it rip.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: One of my friends was like, Well, you can just look at me the whole time, and I'm like, no, like no, you know, I and I think I you were teasing me about when I told you that I won oratorical contests, but yeah, I had to even look up if that was a word.
47:47
SPEAKER_02: And I still love that she already did her talk.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what?
47:50
SPEAKER_02: It's such a great tea.
47:51
SPEAKER_02: I'll do my September.
47:55
SPEAKER_02: All right, guys.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: All right, well, thank you.
47:57
SPEAKER_02: I will put links to the B3 Summit in the show notes, but they're gonna see us this weekend.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be at the uh I was like, We are.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
48:06
SPEAKER_02: I only know that because, oh my god, y'all.
48:08
SPEAKER_02: Let's like so on top of the B3 event, I'm training for two marathons and like the not one, but two.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: Not one but two.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: So B3 is September 18th and 19th.
48:19
SPEAKER_02: I leave the 22nd for Germany.
48:22
SPEAKER_02: So this this is a down week.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: So because we have the menopause master class.
48:28
SPEAKER_02: Dr.
48:28
SPEAKER_02: Susan Oakland.
48:29
SPEAKER_02: We have to be there at 7 30 on Saturday.
48:31
SPEAKER_02: So I had to make a decision.
48:32
SPEAKER_02: I either at one, I don't like to do my long runs on Sundays because I like Sundays to be like rest and be home with my husband and my dogs and like reset.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: So that's I know some people do, but that's a non-negotiable for me.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: So I usually do them on Saturday.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, okay, I can get up at 2 30 in the morning.
48:49
SPEAKER_02: I gotta run 16 miles, and I decided I'm not doing that.
48:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm doing my long run on Friday, so that way I can because I have hair and makeup, I think, starting at 6 15 on Saturday.
48:59
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, you can catch us at the Madison Event Center.
49:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're excited.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: Menopause Masterclass.
49:06
SPEAKER_02: It's like what I've been told speed dating for menopause, which that'll be fun.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be over 25 experts in the area of all things men's favorite person, Dr.
49:16
SPEAKER_02: Susan Oakley.
49:16
SPEAKER_02: Dr.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: Susan Oakley.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: And she's gonna also be a guest presenter at B3.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: So I'm excited for that as well.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
49:26
SPEAKER_00: Yes, have a great week.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: We will see you next week.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: Bye bye.