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Josh Davis, DPT, Founder of Tri Star Strength X Rehab (Ep. 83) · The Layback Podcast

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What's up everyone, Welcome back to the Layback Podcast.
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Joining us today is Doctor of Physical Therapy Josh Davis.
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He is the owner, operator, founder of Tristar Strength and
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Rehab. Also worth mentioning, strength
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Coach 2. With the DPT behind his name,
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the strength coach probably gets buried pretty often, although I
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do know that is something very important to him in the
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structure of what they do with Tristar.
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I know we'll tackle that as we get going in this conversation.
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So maybe I just put that little teaser out in front of everyone,
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just moving beyond solely rehab in not just bridging the gap
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into performance, but actually getting athletes performing
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better than they ever were before.
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That isn't my words. That is straight off their
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website. So you can go check that out
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yourself. I, I definitely did some reading
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ahead of time to try to prep for this.
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Josh is proud of me for the research with this though.
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I'm going to kick it over to him before I butcher anything else
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in this intro. Josh, thanks for coming on and
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really looking forward to this conversation.
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Yeah, man, thanks for having me. Just I guess it's a quick intro.
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So again, physical therapist, graduated from East Tennessee
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State University. So if you can't tell by the
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country accent that's coming out of my mouth, I'm from Tennessee.
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So but yeah, I did my undergrad there, exercise science and then
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PT school there as well and always want to be a physical
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therapist kind of thing, like former athlete, baseball player,
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like about 90% of physical therapists got injured, found PT
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and was like, I can make a living doing this.
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But yeah, I mean, a big thing as far as like history goes is like
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I was in PT school and just kind of realizing that there's a lot
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of gaps in PT school with. That's another rant for another
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podcast. They just prepare you for the
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boards and to be a generalist. And I knew I wanted to work with
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athletes but was just unsure of how to get from idea to reality.
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So during my clinical rotation, my goal was to get out of East
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Tennessee and just see how every black PT is practiced across the
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country. And that was unlike a lot of my
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other classmates. They all wanted to stay close
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and go to Benchmark or whatever, you know, kind of outpatient
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ortho meal clinics, no shade, but kind of shade.
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That was just not what I, I didn't want to see three or four
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people at a time. Like I wanted our one-on-one and
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provide the best possible care that I can.
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So anyway, I did a rotation in Provo, UT for like 3 weeks.
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That was my first clinical rotation where I was doing a
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presentation and one of the big Polly former BYU guys pause
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during my intro, use his hand. It's like, can we get a
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teleprompter for this kid? Went to my seat.
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I was like, where do I go from here?
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That would have thrown me for a loop.
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Oh my gosh, I would have been so scared from that moment.
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Oh it was bad but you could hear like my voice shaking and
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everything. But anyway, got through it,
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great experience. And then one of my last
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rotations was at Spooner Physical Therapy in Scottsdale
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and they do the the one-on-one patient care model and they did
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some cash based stuff, which is completely new to my area, like
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my neck of the woods to sound even more redneck.
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But yeah, it was just something where I like, I just seen the
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care they could provide that was just different than the meal
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clinic. And they weren't very strength
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conditioning based, which was interesting because that was
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kind of what I brought to the table for them.
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So like after I left, they got some rogue squat racks and trap
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bars, which is pretty cool. And I still keep tabs with them,
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kind of just checking in with them, see how they're doing.
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But yeah, that was kind of my clinical rotations.
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And again, I just seen a gap in our PT curriculum to where we
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were like one class of therapeutic exercise, three sets
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of 10 yellow theraband freaking external rotation for all
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baseball players. And that was like the all we
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did. So I was like, I need to expand.
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And I was a personal trainer all through undergrad anyway, so I
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had the experience anyway. So I went ahead and got my CSCS
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in my third year during one of our our breaks.
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And that best thing I've ever done, honestly, because that
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kind of got me into what I do now with with Tristar and what
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we've got a couple other clinicians on board.
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But the goal is to like kind of what you said, you've always
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heard that term bridge of the gap.
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The way that I view it is like a straight line continuum and
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you've got rehab and then you've got like pro level athlete,
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right? And we, if we start here, we're
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injured. I mean like we can still get on
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that continuum. It just comes down to the load
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intensity, volume, exercise selection.
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And then with youth athletes, it's all about like load
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management. They've got freaking showcase
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here. They've got showcase here.
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They're doing pull downs this day.
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That's been something that I have, I have found interesting
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managing and then they've got their strength coach at school
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who may or may not have experience with strength and
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conditioning, you know? Just four years of high school
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football in one year at the local D3.
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Yeah, and they're probably jacked.
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I mean, let's be honest. Right, right.
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But yeah, I mean, to counteract that we went really heavy with
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like sports science tech. So we started with the Bald
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Force decks and the, and the Dynamo, gosh, we've had those
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for like 4 years now. So we do like force profiling
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and then obviously just movement based analysis.
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But every person that comes to the door, whether they're a 11
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year old baseball player, pro guy, or our 70 year old
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longevity clients, like they all get force plate like profiling
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along with range of motion, all the typical PT stuff.
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But yeah, whenever you walk in our facility doesn't look like
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APT clinic at all. And that was my goal.
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As you can see with step brothers up behind me.
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We don't take ourselves too seriously here, but you know,
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it's, it's about training. Like we treat and treat like we
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train that. That's kind of the key there.
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But then I got hooked up with you and dude, we got the got the
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device in and now we're just testing like Mad Men, dude.
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So it's, it's been awesome. It's definitely a learning
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curve. PT Squad didn't expect to be
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doing this much forearm work as far as it goes, but it's it's
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been solid. Especially bouncing ideas off of
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you. That's been great.
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So yeah, man, that's kind of where we're at.
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Excellent. I appreciate you running through
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all that. Definitely had to shout out Dale
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and the crew over your right shoulder, right.
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I guess I should say Dragon and Nighthawk.
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They're formal names and I did see one of the times you turned,
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I saw Flex Pro Grip basically right through your right
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shoulder. There it is, Love the product.
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Placement. There, thank you.
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Yeah. And I'm, I'm excited to talk
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about the learning curve for sure that that you've gone
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through. Although there's one particular
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piece from that whole intro that I want to go back to.
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And you said it's probably a conversation for another
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podcast. Although I want to say you are
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wrong. And I actually think that's
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perfect for what we're talking about here.
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You talked about the kind of the nature of your curriculum in PT
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school. And I even think that goes well
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beyond PT school and we can apply that to the sports science
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sector as a whole, sports medicine even.
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So much of what I see being done from a research perspective,
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from an application perspective is about stating what is
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happening. But now to use the phrase that
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we've already kind of talked about a few times, that doesn't
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bridge the gap into actual application.
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We we constantly assess on a force plate.
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Great. What's that mean?
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We do a biomechanical analysis. Awesome.
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What's that mean? And I don't know if that's where
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you felt the gap was in PT school, but certainly from my
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side, that's what I've seen now. There's so much information, but
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the biggest gap that I see is the ability to tell that story
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from the information. So I don't know if that's what
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you were experiencing when you were going through PT school,
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just being told like, hey, this is what's going on, but not
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really being instructed or guided on how to actually do
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something about it. I don't want to speak on your
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experiences here, but I just kind of wanted to call out what
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I see and give you the floor to take this away.
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Yeah, I mean, no, you're you're exactly right.
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I mean, I think I would even go a step back.
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Like we didn't even talk force plates or anything like that in
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PT school. But I mean, even from like a
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differential diagnosis, like, I mean, you know, we were quizzed
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like crazy on differential diagnosis.
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And to be honest, like anymore like if it's a shoulder, I could
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give a crap less about what the MRI says.
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I'm going to treat what's in front of me and what movement
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deficiencies they have where their subjective pain is, and
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then just build the program around that.
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Like I think that was more of the the discrepancy in PT school
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is like there was no there. Like we never heard the word
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programming, which is absurd to me because that's literally what
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we do. Traditional PT, you're going to
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get like two or three sessions a week and like P TS already got
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two people there. You're going to hop on the bike
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for 15, soft tissue for 15, and then they're going to be like,
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here's your sheet of paper with stick figures.
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Go knock this out, holler at me when you're done.
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But that point, like the obvious thing is like what they're doing
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terrible form or what if what they have questions.
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I mean, it's like, it's just basic stuff.
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But I mean, it comes down to again, like, I use the word meal
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because that's kind of what it is.
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You know, when whenever somebody's in here with us, it's
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like, you know, we want to make sure that they're moving
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efficiently or the exercise is not the exercise for them,
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right, Because I may have like most dialed program, I'm stoked
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about it. I'm texting you about it.
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Like, dude, this guy's going to crush and then they get in here
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and they can't dissociate their shoulders from their hips.
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Well, then it's like, OK, well then that's not the best
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exercise for them. No matter how much research I
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see that says that this needs to be done or I see schemes doing
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something, that doesn't mean that it's good for buddy over
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here who's got whatever going on.
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So yeah, I mean, I think it was it was almost the critical
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thinking side. They were all about Rep ranges
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that are pretty outdated, be like sets of 30 on stuff, which
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is doable in some cases. But it's like now we need to
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load this like pronouns wise TS, it was like pink dumbbells.
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And it's like, no, it's no different than any other joint
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in their muscle in the body. Like we need to load it up.
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So, yeah, I mean, I think it's there's several layers to that
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question. In short, it wasn't enough is
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basically what I would say. And like you talking about the
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the 4th place stuff now. I mean, that's all you see on
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Instagram now, whether it's Exos or whatever insert well known
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sports Med clinic. They've got all the stuff.
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They've got the Kaisers, they've got all this stuff and but if
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you see the data and you can't communicate what it means to
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them, like we've started doing VBT stuff and we've got the
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Voltra beyond power Voltra just come in last week and it is
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killer. No, no, not sponsored, but I'd
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like to be. But like, you know, just seeing
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these, these outputs, I'm trying to reach out to like Coach Cam
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at CNC. I've been reaching out to him a
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lot and talking about some, some swing metrics that we can look
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at. But like, again, I can tell them
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a number if they're like all right, is that good?
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It's like, what if you don't know?
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Then why are you even doing the Dang test?
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Sorry, I was going to cuss, but enough.
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No, it's OK. That's, that's clean.
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You say whatever you want. I, I forgot to cover that on
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the, the front end here. Usually what I tell people is I
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don't care what you say, just remember at the end of the day,
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you're representing yourself. So whatever however you feel you
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want to talk, you can talk. Dang, for my wife's sakes, you
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OK? OK, like your son's going to
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hear this anyway. Yeah, he's not going to remember
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it. Exactly, exactly.
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That's, see, now that's a battle.
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I don't know if I'm going to win.
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No, but it's worth trying no. This is a brief pause for one of
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the probably one of the two best things I've heard for dad advice
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so far, which is try to integrate your kid into your
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life as opposed to make your life center around their life.
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So that to me is the perfect example.
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Why would I change the way I talk just because my kid is
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around? They're going to hear these
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things eventually. It's probably better they hear
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it from me then hear it from somebody else.
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So you do. Cheers.
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Well, that's not checkers. That's right.
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And then I'm going to keep the other piece of advice in my
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pocket when I need to bust that out if if we hit a dead air
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period, but I want to go back now.
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Now we'll bring this back to the actual point of the podcast.
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I've just been dad brain with everything and I'm concerned
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this podcast might shift that direction.
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I promise everyone it's not going to.
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You just might hear a little bit more about it here and there,
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especially when I'm talking to other dads on the podcast.
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But how did you get to the point of actually being able to tell
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the stories with the data? Was that just from trial and
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error communication over time, figuring out what works?
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Really, what was it? Because you have so much at your
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disposal information wise. You mentioned bald and
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everything that goes with bald, you're doing force profiling for
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every athlete that comes in. And as you said, not just
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athletes, but the 70 year old Wellness patient that's coming
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in and doing Flexpro grip, doing VBT, it's a ton of data, but
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where does the story actually come from for you?
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Yeah. I mean, I think it starts with
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the the assessment, honestly, like just laying out like what
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we do and kind of prefacing to the person in front of me that
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like this is going to be like getting hit with a fire hose of
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information. If you need me to stop, hit the
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brakes because I can talk about this stuff all day and and I'm
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good at like, again, I'm trying to think of a better phrase than
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dumb it down, but like, that's kind of what it is like meet.
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People where they are. Yeah, yeah.
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So, you know, like, again, they care less about the actual
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number. They just want to know if it's
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good or bad and what they need to work on.
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So that to answer your question, I think that was more of my
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learning curve of like, OK, how can I, you know, explain this to
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an 11 year old and they can tell their parents.
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I, this is, this is what I tested.
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I don't have a lot of twitch. I'm not quick off the ground.
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Here's how that makes me better on the field.
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And if I can explain that we're good because then on the
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programming side, that makes pressure off me.
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It's like, all right, this is all it is really when you get
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down to these metrics, it's, it's a bunch of bigger words.
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And if you just know the general meaning of like what output
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you're chasing and then what input being training, you're
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trying to improve that output. I mean that that's what it's
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about. Like I've had several students
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here lately. We actually had one last week
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that she was talking about this very thing.
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Like, I feel like I, I've got this gap between the diagnosis
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and what I see in front of me, but I don't know what
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intervention to use. And she's a third year.
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So she's in her last year. And I'm again, this is not like
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saying anything bad about her because she's just not armed
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with the information. And that's where I told her I
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was like, you need to get your CSCS or at least just like
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follow these certain people on Instagram like before you do
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that, like, and, and I think that's where social media, you
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know, you're talking about the information.
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It's a lot. But if you can distill it into
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trusted sources like Cressy, like Ronald, you know, like the
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guys at next area, like you know, that kind of thing.
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You, you, you've got a good start.
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Obviously try to educate yourself.
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Like I've got the movement over Max's book above my shoulder
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there like things like that and podcast, like what you're doing.
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That's where you can at least get introduced to it.
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And then from there it's apply. And the best person to apply it
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to is yourself. I'm not throwing anymore, at
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least not yet. I'm soft tossing a little man.
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But like, I mean, that's something like I would love to
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be able to get Vilo up and stay healthy because I'm 32, almost
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33. So if any program I, I put in
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front of an athlete or a client, like I've done it.
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So I, I think having all the this force plate data, like I've
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tracked my metrics for four years and I've done X program to
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try to improve it. So yes, everybody's different,
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but at least we can distill like do they need contrast therapy?
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Do they need or not therapy, but training, you know, they need
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more soft tissue work, they need joint, you know, range.
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Like you just got to look and see where they're at and then
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find a way to distill that down to where they are.
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And I I think that's the key. You mentioned something specific
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in that answer. I don't know if this was even
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that important to you in the phrasing of it, but it stuck out
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to me. You mentioned the 11 year old
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coming in to see you and being able to explain to their parents
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how it's going to help them be better on the field.
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And this goes back to what you were saying about kind of that
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continuum of rehabbed performance.
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You are in a position with being a cash pay clinic where you can
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be a little more mindful of what an athlete needs versus what a
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sheet of paper or an insurance, whatever company says a patient
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needs just to check the boxes. So how did you, I guess, form
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the mindset or come to these conclusions of caring for an
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athlete in what is going to help them be the best athlete beyond
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just treating the injury specific to them?
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Because I'm sure that goes back to what you experienced in PT
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school. We have an injury.
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Treat the injury. Your job is done as opposed to
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understanding that you don't treat injuries in your
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profession. You treat people who happen to
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have an injury. That dude, I, I couldn't have
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said any better. And like that's The thing is
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like I've, and I didn't go over this as far as like my prior
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like work, I guess history, but like I worked travel right out
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of PT school soon as COVID happened, that was a blast.
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That's when I graduated. It was 2020.
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So but yeah, I mean, like I've been in the meal clinics, I've
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been in nursing homes, I've been in, you know, skilled
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facilities, all the above. And that was something that I
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would see is like, they send you diagnosis codes.
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If that treatment doesn't fall within that diagnosis code, then
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you're, you're not getting paid for it.
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Like they're not going to deem it medically necessary, which
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doesn't make a lot of sense to me because like a lot of the
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insurance companies, they don't have the medical background.
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They work with insurance. Who's to say that getting their
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FDP strength, you know what I mean?
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Like up isn't like that's clearly going to help them.
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We know that. But they may see this like piece
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of tech and they're like, we've never seen this before.
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That's not needed. There's other treatments that
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have worked for the past 20 years, but then they don't
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realize that the game is evolving.
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The players are getting bigger, faster, stronger.
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The tech is getting just as impressive.
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I mean, you, you've got to treat the person and and that's where
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like whenever we do programs, each person gets an
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individualized program when they're not in here because I'm
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not going to lie, like a cash based, we are more of a high
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ticket product in service. But like I'm going to do
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everything I can to get that person where they need to go,
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where they want to go. And if they're injured and
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honestly, like half of my caseload is uninjured athletes,
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they're just chasing performance.
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And to be honest, that's kind of what I did.
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Like, I mean, I don't mind doing physical therapy, but I'm more
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of a strength coach than I am APT as far as where my passion
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lies. But having both of those, and I
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hate kind of using the word hats because I just in my mind it's
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the same, you know what I mean? It's like same hat.
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I just kind of go different paths.
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But it's just a matter of what they need, what they want
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subjectively, which is a huge part of that setting SMART
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goals. Like is it achievable?
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What's our timeline look like? It's one of those things you can
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over over complicate the crap out of it.
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But like you just got to listen to what they want.
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And that's something where in the meal clinics you get maybe
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15 minutes talk with them. If you have to go to a doc, it's
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even less. Or a surgeon.
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So it's like they never feel heard, if that makes sense.
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So with their assessments, dude, like they're an hour long.
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We're talking for 30 like at least.
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And even before that, we've already had a call on the phone
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to see if we're a good fit. And if they're not a fit, I'm
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not going to, you know, have them come in.
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I'll refer them to somebody that that fits them the best.
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But yeah, I mean that that's something that that you've got
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to be able to meet people where they are and just talk to
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people. Like I had so many classmates
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that dude, they were smashing tests.
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They'd rather break your plexus in like 2 seconds.
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But then they can't talk to me. You know what I mean?
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And here I am making step brothers references in the
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middle of the exam or something. I think, I think that's a,
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that's a superpower that that everybody.
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And I don't care if you're PT, strength coach, pitching,
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hitting coach, whatever it is, but you got to be able to relate
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to whoever's in front of you. I'm not saying you got to say
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bad all the time. Like that's something that's a
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learning curve for me. It's like an old man, but like
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you don't have to speak the, you know, the lingo, but at least
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know the sport. So I, I think that's a big thing
21:07
is, is just talking to him as a person.
21:09
I'm going to call on a meeting I actually had over the weekend
21:13
with an individual young coach up and coming.
21:16
Wanted to talk about learning more learn about Flexpro grip,
21:20
but then just how he could learn more about writing programs in
21:26
coaching athletes. Really his focus is human bio
21:30
mechanics, true locomotion, not just hip shoulder separation and
21:36
timing of the arm spiral and things like that.
21:38
But he wants to learn the true science of human locomotion.
21:42
And he asked me what books or texts or things I recommend and
21:49
I could sit there and call back on whatever book is near me.
21:53
I obviously you have movement over Max's over your shoulder.
21:57
There's so many good ones, whether you want to go down the
21:59
path of this final engine theory or hacking the kinetic chain or
22:03
all these different things or the textbooks for that matter,
22:06
beyond just these more like coach written novels.
22:09
I don't want to call them novels or phrasing on my end, but more
22:14
I guess performance driven rather than true science driven.
22:19
I don't know, maybe it maybe I'm digging myself a hole here with
22:21
this explanation. But what I told him is I can't
22:27
recommend a single specific book to you.
22:31
Because what you read and what matters most to you at the end
22:36
of the day doesn't matter all that much.
22:38
Because what you are going to be faced with is an athlete that
22:43
has some sort of bias or they're passionate about something, one
22:47
specific frame of mind. And if you can't coach that or
22:52
speak that language, you're lost.
22:55
It doesn't matter if you know every single piece of a
22:59
kinematic sequence, if this athlete does not understand that
23:04
language whatsoever, or if you're meeting with a guy who
23:08
only works in the driveline language and you're trying to
23:12
preach motor preferences, you're probably screwed.
23:16
If you have a guy that comes in and only speaks driveline
23:19
language and you only knows final engine theory, you're
23:23
screwed. That's going to be a problem.
23:25
So my, my big recommendation is learn it all.
23:28
But all of it's good and all of it's shit.
23:31
It's just how, how do you meet the person and understand their
23:37
language? So I, I feel like everything
23:40
that you have gone through is kind of boiling down to that
23:45
piece and it almost sounds like that's what the strength side of
23:50
your background has brought you. The PT school brought all the
23:53
science for you, but pursuing the CSCS beyond just having the
24:00
certification, but truly becoming passionate about
24:03
strength and performance is what enabled you to look at
24:07
everything. More is an entire system as
24:10
opposed to an acute event. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I mean,
24:14
dude, I couldn't have said any better.
24:16
I mean, that's again, you can have all the information in the
24:20
world, insert whatever, you know, preference that you have
24:23
or they have. But like, if you can't, if you
24:26
can't communicate it because I mean, at the end of the day,
24:28
it's wraps and says it's truly, I mean, you know, volume,
24:31
intensity, like it's all those things there.
24:35
There's a line to where do they need to know this information?
24:40
Like do they need to know, I don't know, like what external
24:43
internal ratio that they're at or they just didn't need to know
24:46
what they need to work on. And, and that that's kind of
24:49
where I go back to like, you know, the 11 year old athlete is
24:51
typically after these assessments, I'll plug in like a
24:54
evaluation or assessment review and I'll go over the numbers and
24:58
where I want them to be. But then I'll just put it in
25:01
plain language, like if this number is low, this is an issue.
25:06
I always use the flag system, which which you are using in the
25:09
app too, is like people know when they see red, they're like,
25:12
Oh shit, you know, they're like, that's not right.
25:17
And I'm like, dude, like it's it's pretty accurate, you know,
25:21
and I'm not talking about just just with Flexpro, but like with
25:23
anything like, you know, with the force plates, they start
25:25
seeing their numbers going down. Then I'm like, how much sleep
25:28
you been getting to girlfriend dump You like class load heavy
25:31
right now. Like what's up, man?
25:34
Like you look like trash. And they're like, well, you
25:36
know, I just didn't get the number that you wanted me to
25:38
get. And I'm like, dude, it's fine.
25:40
Like it, it is OK. We, we just need to look at
25:42
your, you know, training load. Are you throwing too much Like,
25:46
and, and that's something I really enjoyed with with flex
25:48
Pro is like, I've got a kid committed to Virginia Tech and
25:53
he's, he's playing golf right now.
25:54
He's not throwing at all. And his number, she's been
25:57
coming in three times a week doing the, you know, the the
26:00
protocol you sent me. He just pops in.
26:03
He already knows how to set it up where it knocks it out.
26:05
And he tested Friday and he was running it while I was with
26:08
somebody else and he come in and his expected Velo, he wanted 92
26:13
and it scored 95. Like dude absolutely crushed it.
26:17
And and he was like, man, I really want to throw.
26:18
And I was like, I know you do. But then he's all pleasing, like
26:23
we're fine. But then the flip side, I've got
26:25
a kid that's he's trying to get a scholarship right now.
26:28
So he's going to showcase every weekend.
26:30
He's doing 4 or 5 pins a week and he's like, man, I am dead.
26:35
Like he comes in dragging ass. Like, you know, two or three C
26:38
fours in his hand. I'm like, bro, you need to stop
26:41
throwing. So that's where I have a
26:42
conversation with him. Like either stop, you know,
26:44
Paul's throwing for a bit, at least ramp it down and we're
26:48
going to adjust your volume in here.
26:50
Like you might need more just straight up recovery work and
26:52
just mobility flows. Just try to bring the strain
26:55
down because like strain and strain and stress and stress,
26:58
whether it's at the end of a bar or in between your ears, you got
27:01
to manage it. And it all is going to affect
27:03
your nervous system no matter what.
27:05
I mean, the the brain is not going to be like, dude, that was
27:07
a heavy set of three on dads or girlfriend dumped me.
27:11
I got 4 exams tomorrow and I've slept 2 hours.
27:14
You're going to be smoke either way.
27:16
So that that's where again, like we've been working on this whole
27:19
time. Freaking talk to him, dude, be
27:22
like what what's going on? And if we were in a meal clinic,
27:25
we wouldn't have time to do that.
27:26
Yeah, if it's not on the sheet of paper in that scenario,
27:29
you're never going to cover it. It's not medically necessary
27:32
bro. Talk about their relationships.
27:35
Right one funny tidbit that I have broke my L4 and L5 back in
27:40
high school so I I had to do a significant amount of PT for the
27:46
whole back thing. But I remember I I had the
27:52
strangest conversation with my physical therapist then and that
27:55
was when I realized the system didn't make sense.
27:58
And this is as an 18 year old senior in high school, I was
28:03
spending like an hour and a half in the clinic every day, which
28:07
as you said, you're not supposed to do in insurance base PT.
28:11
You're scheduled out for very set time frames.
28:15
And one day they came up to me and they're like, what's taking
28:19
you so long on these exercises? My response was, you gave me
28:24
three sets of 30 reps That is a lot of reps.
28:29
And I have to do that on both my left and right side.
28:33
That takes a long time. And they're like, well, nobody
28:36
ever does all 30 reps, but then why are you programming the 30
28:41
reps? And I, I had that.
28:43
I had that discussion with the PT.
28:46
And that was the moment that I realized none of this makes
28:48
sense. Like you, you don't even know
28:50
what I'm doing. So you're telling me that nobody
28:53
before me has ever done this amount of reps for you to
28:56
realize that if you do every Rep that you are going to be in here
29:00
for an hour and a half and not the 45 minutes that you had me
29:04
scheduled for? So strange no that it's a
29:07
perfect story because like I mean and it boils down to like
29:10
did the PT do they and sounds stupid and like bro Y but do
29:14
they even lift? Right.
29:16
No, that's perfect. That person, as you said, they
29:21
had never done the programming for themselves to really
29:24
understand what the athlete is going through.
29:26
And it's so strange to me that disconnect happens so often in
29:31
the performance world, sports science world.
29:35
People will make recommendations without ever having done it
29:40
themselves. Although it is OK to be a do as
29:46
I say, not as I do industry, maybe at least transform it to
29:51
do as I say as well as what I've tried I.
29:56
Don't. Need.
29:57
I don't need my coach to have thrown 98 mph, but I would love
30:02
if my coach is at least thrown a baseball in the past year, or I
30:07
would love if my PT has at least gotten under a bar sometime in
30:11
the past year. Those things are probably
30:14
important just so they understand the physical
30:17
experience as well as the mental experience, not just what is
30:21
expected based on a sheet of paper. 100% Well, I mean, and on
30:25
top of that, I, I don't know if you, if you've talked to Padula,
30:30
I'm blanking on his first name. He's at Oklahoma, but he, he's
30:33
there, I believe softball. I ran one of his programs
30:37
recently because I'm trying to dunk.
30:38
I'm like 5-8 and I, I got some like, it's just my goal.
30:42
Like I, I bet a couple of my kids that I, I'm going to dunk
30:45
by my birthday in November, which is coming up.
30:47
My point with that being is like he's got a Badger protocol is
30:51
what it's called. So it's like split squats with a
30:53
5 second ISO, 5 reps, 5 second ISO and one in five.
30:58
And if you've never done that with that heavy of a load on a
31:02
safety squat bar, you don't know what they're going to feel the
31:05
next two days. So how on earth are you going to
31:09
tell them how to load it and then let alone what they're
31:12
going to do the next day? Like because dude, after I do
31:16
that, I'm smoked. Now, granted, I'm double their
31:18
age, but like it's just one of those things where if you've not
31:21
done it, then why on earth are you having somebody else do it,
31:27
let alone somebody that may not have the movement patterns or
31:30
movement efficiency to do it correctly.
31:34
So we're in the business of making people better.
31:36
But like if you go too far and I guess that kind of double S back
31:40
to what we're talking about what you see on Instagram.
31:43
If you see something on Instagram, you better try it on
31:45
yourself first or you might get somebody hurt and you're a
31:49
physical therapist. But yeah, I mean that going back
31:52
to your point, like that's, that's the the very issue is
31:55
that person has probably never done what was on the sheet of
31:58
paper or they would have known you were doing it correctly.
32:01
It should take that long, but they just don't realize it.
32:05
Sorry for that little tangent. We again can get back online.
32:09
I might have over caffeinated myself, which is why I'm just
32:12
buzzing all over the place at this point.
32:14
But one of the things that you mentioned off air that I, I do
32:19
believe would be kind of a fun conversation kind of going
32:22
through your own learning process live with discussing
32:26
flex pro grip, the ability to apply it, utilize it for
32:30
different individuals. You even mentioned that already
32:33
having different scores kick back on guys, One who is
32:37
unbelievably prepared, at least the forum musculature is right
32:41
now versus another guy who needs to be in a good spot and he's
32:45
getting data kicking back saying that he's in a rough place.
32:49
So maybe this is the point where I turn it over to you for you to
32:54
ask a couple questions. Where do you feel like you have
32:57
a really good understanding? What maybe before that, like
33:00
what made you want to bring on Flex Pro Grip?
33:03
But then let's get into where you feel you have a good
33:05
understanding and where can I help you?
33:09
Yeah, no, I think this is great. Like I said, I don't think this
33:11
is valuable for not just me, but but for anybody else thinking
33:17
about making the jump. But I mean, I guess from the
33:19
start, like the reason I reached out to you is like Trey Martin,
33:22
he's in Florida like nothing but high praises about you
33:25
specifically. So kudos to you.
33:27
Shout out Trey. Thanks, Trey.
33:29
Yeah, but like, but, but also just the product and like I've
33:32
I've got my first TJ patient in here and that I've worked with
33:37
in this clinic. I've worked with TJ before.
33:39
Having the ability to go so in depth at this cash based level
33:43
has been an awesome because like we've got data from I didn't
33:47
unfortunately I didn't get it before because I just didn't
33:49
have, you know, the the device yet.
33:51
But like we've been able to just track this overtime and he comes
33:54
in here religiously smashing it and he's a very analytical
33:58
pitcher is the way that I would describe it.
34:00
Like he's a coach essentially. So he's always asking questions
34:03
and like, that's great. And you know, you've done a
34:07
great job of just providing me with information, like our
34:09
conversations, but also like, you know, all the all the white
34:12
paper and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, it's, I think
34:15
how to correlate it to what I'm seeing at the shoulder has been
34:19
something that I've been able to pick up a little bit like, you
34:22
know, extra rotation versus internal rotation ratios.
34:25
Is it range of motion, put more valgus stress on the elbow which
34:28
is causing X data kick back, stuff like that.
34:31
I'll be able to piece together pretty good.
34:33
I think the big thing that I'm curious is like with the rapid
34:36
throwers, 10 or not, there was 10.
34:38
Good Lord. Combining exercises at this
34:40
point. Kicking in PT schools, but but
34:43
yeah, I mean like out of the the tip of the finger flexion, mid
34:47
finger and then ulnar, obviously midfinger is probably the one
34:50
that that we're seeing the most decrease in.
34:53
I know that. Yeah, the one wait, I was
34:55
referring to, he was like 100% on the other two and like 67 on
34:59
the other one. And he's like, dude, I feel
35:01
fine. Like what's up with this?
35:03
So I guess kicking it to you, what would you, how would you
35:06
explain that to him? This I always like to explain as
35:12
the movement of the state of blissful ignorance into harsh
35:19
reality. The reason I phrase that, or use
35:22
those fancy words almost like it's some sort of album title or
35:25
movie, is really, I feel like, a perfect representation of what's
35:29
going on. And you know this all too well.
35:33
That area is unbelievably difficult to train unless you're
35:37
a rock climber. Unless, unless you have
35:40
participated in rock climbing at some point in your life, you've
35:43
probably not targeted your FDP or FDS or the fingertip and mid
35:48
finger muscles efficiently doing anything.
35:51
Yes, you you grip a bar, you do plate squeezes or whatever.
35:55
But then going back to what you said earlier, the load and
35:59
intensity is just not there. You're basically doing reps for
36:02
the sake of doing reps. You might have a bigger, more
36:06
vascular forearm, but at that point it just looks good.
36:09
You're not actually training the forearm the way that you need to
36:13
train it to withstand the forces that throwing places upon it.
36:17
So an athlete who scores how you explained it or in those
36:22
percentiles, maybe they're meeting the targets on fingertip
36:25
and they're meeting their targets in all near deviation,
36:28
but the mid finger is lacking. That's not anybody's fault.
36:31
It's just the reality of what we have seen as an industry.
36:35
Those areas are extremely difficult to train in.
36:39
Just because the athlete scores poorly, it doesn't mean that
36:42
they're going to blow out the next time that they pick up a
36:44
baseball to throw. All this has provided is a red
36:48
flag. Going back to the flag system
36:50
you mentioned earlier where we now know what the low hanging
36:54
fruit is. We know what to address.
36:57
So it's just providing information so someone in your
37:01
seat can make a more informed decision for how we target
37:06
training. So for that athlete in
37:09
particular, it's not that we're going to neglect ulnar
37:11
deviation, we're not going to neglect fingertip or FDP
37:15
strength, but we might put a little more attention to the
37:20
FDS. So on our normal ABC training
37:24
cycle, so fingertip extension and then mid finger being the
37:29
ABC, maybe we double up on those C days.
37:32
Maybe we hit like an ACBC kind of cycle for that individual.
37:37
Now then we get into the nuance of the program of there's one
37:44
thing with Max strength, which is great.
37:46
We want that to be in a good place.
37:47
But ultimately we're chasing stiffness of the muscle tendon
37:51
unit. So a more resilient, more
37:54
fatigue resistant muscle tendon unit, which takes time.
37:57
The research would say that's going to take about 8 to 12
38:00
weeks of training. We can see those Max's jump in
38:04
less than four weeks with a neuromuscular adaptation, which
38:08
I'm using fancy words now. But for anyone out there that
38:10
doesn't understand that that's basically the first time you
38:14
ever stepped foot in the weight room and you tried to put
38:18
whatever £95 total on a bench press and you couldn't get it
38:22
off your chest and four weeks later you're rapping out 135.
38:27
It's not that all of a sudden you got unbelievably stronger,
38:31
you just we're now able to recruit the musculature that you
38:35
previously had. And it's not that that isn't
38:38
important. That's extremely important.
38:40
Muscle recruitment matters tremendously, but that is again
38:46
more of a Max force production thing.
38:50
Although in the game of baseball when we need to produce Max
38:54
force over and over and over and over, about 30 more overs,
39:00
again, at minimum maybe 90 more overs and then we're matching
39:05
what a pitching workload looks like and then do that five days
39:08
later. That's where we care way more
39:11
about the endurance aspect of things.
39:13
And I mean that from a plyometric endurance or
39:16
ballistic endurance. How, how often can you repeat
39:20
Max loading or high intensity loading?
39:23
And with that athlete that you presented, that's what we're
39:27
going to focus on. To me like awesome.
39:29
We don't need to worry about Max's on two things.
39:33
He already checked two boxes. We need to focus on endurance
39:37
for the three things we care about and Max force only on one
39:40
of them. So in the grand scheme of
39:42
things, he's not in that bad of a place.
39:44
And then I know I'm getting long winded here, but if we look
39:48
across the board, that athlete is not that different from
39:51
everything we see. If we look at every athlete that
39:55
we have, the 2500 plus data points for the 2500 plus users
40:00
that we have with Flex Pro Grip now, we're going to see athletes
40:05
fall into about 1/3, a third, a third, a third are in a good
40:09
place just from the jump for whatever reason.
40:12
I couldn't tell you why, but they are in a fine place.
40:16
Then we have the next third and those guys are probably a month
40:20
to 8 weeks away from being in a good place.
40:24
Then we have the next third which are probably in a rough
40:27
place and need to do something about it ASAP or they are
40:30
risking injury. I know I just got super long
40:33
winded on the podcast I'm in interviewing you for, but
40:38
hopefully that helped you out a little bit.
40:40
Yeah. No, no, no, it did for sure,
40:41
because I mean like doubling back to what we talked about,
40:44
like as soon as he seen that red, he was like, dude, like,
40:48
why is this red? Like I, I got 100% here, 100%
40:51
here. And that's where it came down to
40:53
just be like, man, this is something we can work on.
40:56
That's all this is saying. And you have good at your great
40:59
explanations underneath there. We just need to focus on this.
41:02
And and that's something I see a lot with the force plates too.
41:04
It's like if we're down, we're down.
41:06
It's OK, But everybody's freaking competitive.
41:09
I've got leaderboards up in the gym.
41:10
They want to beat homie. They played on the same travel
41:13
team for years and be able to talk ship that.
41:16
That's what I've liked about the flex pro.
41:17
I feel like it's a little bit more nuanced and like just newer
41:22
in general, like my athletes just haven't seen it yet, right.
41:26
So then they do it and they're like, all right, game time.
41:29
I'll come in three times a week. Let's knock this out.
41:32
That's something that I've seen is the buy in with this has just
41:35
been insane. So long as I can explain, again,
41:37
like we talked about earlier, like why we're doing the damn
41:40
thing, the rest of it falls into place.
41:42
And, and again, like I've, I've had kids come in, they're like,
41:45
you know, hit hit AB low PR last week or X is not hurt in a long
41:50
time. And like I can attribute, you
41:53
know, a lot of that to, to the, you know, flex pro, there's in
41:56
general and then the program that comes along with it.
41:58
And like I said, dude, I'm, I'm, I'm stoked to dive deeper into
42:01
this stuff with you and see where this thing goes.
42:05
Well, I appreciate that tremendously.
42:07
Now I guess the question for you on it is what gaps do you think
42:12
it has filled for you? I think awareness, first of all,
42:17
like, I mean, because again, like I can look at somebody's
42:20
grip strength with, with a dynamometer and tell some that,
42:25
or I can look at their counter movement jump and you know, week
42:27
to week and see if they're they're going down there and the
42:29
nervous system fatigues kicking in.
42:31
Like this makes it so specific to baseball and softball that
42:36
like it's made my programming for form work and grip so much
42:42
more dialed. Whereas before it was just like,
42:44
all right, we're going to do some roll outs.
42:46
You know, we're going to do a roll ups, We're going to do some
42:48
barbell curls, supination pronation, see if you get better
42:52
kind of thing. But like now we can just we can
42:55
look at every single joint of every single finger.
42:57
And I mean, that's, that's insane to me.
42:59
Like we're just looking at now like how tech has has evolved
43:03
and what you've built. Like dude, I'm, I think it's
43:06
awesome. Now follow up for you and I have
43:10
my own bias here, but I understand in clinic it gets a
43:13
little tough. Of course we have training
43:15
associated with Flexpro grip. It's, it's not just assessment,
43:19
but I assume some of what you have to do, especially because
43:23
athletes may only come in somewhere one to three times a
43:27
week to work with you. You have to supplement in some
43:31
capacity. It's not their only forearm work
43:34
being performed during the week is on Flexpro Grip.
43:38
You need to prescribe other things.
43:40
So have you kind of been able to gauge on your side now what
43:46
forearm work is resulting in greater outputs on Flexpro Grip?
43:52
Has it kind of given you that feedback where maybe you thought
43:57
whatever forearm rollers were the best thing you could
44:00
prescribe and now you see if that's where an athlete's
44:03
spending their time, it might not result in improved metrics
44:07
on Flexpro? Yeah, yeah.
44:09
I mean, we're getting there because I mean, I forget how
44:12
long we've had it now, like a couple, one or two months.
44:15
Yeah. I was going to say, I think
44:16
you're, you're probably 8 weeks in at this point.
44:18
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we're getting
44:20
there. I know, for instance, that the
44:23
guy that's been crushing it has been doing slightly different
44:26
form exercises than the other guy.
44:29
Now granted, the throwing volume is not in day, right?
44:33
So like it's hard to do if it the is the exercise of being
44:37
prescribed or is that coupled with just the sheer volume and
44:40
fatigue that that the other one's feeling?
44:43
Especially with my UCL guy. Like I mean, that's something
44:46
like I've got him on the pronator all the time.
44:48
Now working on ulnar radial, radial deviation, just doing
44:51
some simple like dead hanging type stuff.
44:54
And granted, he's, he's far enough out to where I'm not
44:57
worried about the, you know, surgical site and, and healing
44:59
and everything like that. Range is great.
45:01
But we're really starting to dial him up and he has follow up
45:03
recently And it was like, yeah man, you're about, you know, 4
45:06
weeks out from throwing everything was great.
45:08
Keep going. And knock on wood, he's not had
45:11
pain. He had the ulnar nerve
45:12
transposition, all that kind of stuff.
45:13
And he had a traditional UCL, not the internal brace, but I
45:17
mean, there he's he's cooking. I think the, the hard part is
45:21
with forearm training in general, and you didn't ask
45:23
this, but it kind of goes on with the exercises is it's not
45:26
the sexy stuff, you know what I mean?
45:29
Like, you know, you don't, you don't, you don't want a girl
45:31
that you've been looking at in high school, but just sitting
45:33
over here and you're just doing, you know, freaking older,
45:35
regular mediation for reps trying to communicate again,
45:38
back to communication piece of like this is where you're
45:41
deficient based off what we've seen.
45:43
And This is why we're going to work on it.
45:45
This is how we're going to do it.
45:46
And then four weeks later, six weeks later, whatever we retest
45:49
and lo and behold, it's better if it's not, we just go back to
45:53
drawing board and figure out which exercises need to be the
45:55
best. So that's kind of the kind of
45:57
the phase I'm in to answer your question of like trying this,
46:01
see how it goes and everybody's different.
46:03
We'll we'll end up getting a protocol kind of situation for
46:05
multiple routes, but maybe holler at me in like November or
46:09
December. One specific piece that I want
46:12
to call out what you mentioned kind of the various athletes
46:15
situations, the athlete who's not throwing is crushing Flexpro
46:20
right now. The athlete who is throwing a
46:23
ton numbers aren't in the best place.
46:25
Granted going in one might have been stronger than the other,
46:29
could be. I, I guess actually, in fact,
46:31
that's likely the case based on what you've explained so far and
46:34
just how long they've been exposed to Flexpro grip.
46:37
But that is super important to address that the athlete who
46:41
isn't throwing can spend more of his training economy crushing
46:47
his forearm because he doesn't need to be concerned about the
46:51
fatigue level or readiness level of his forearm versus the guy
46:56
who is throwing currently. We constantly need to make sure
47:00
that he is as ready as he will ever be to pick up the ball and
47:03
go showcase, go throw in front of this scout, whatever.
47:07
Because at the end of the day, we have to expose the specific
47:14
area to stress in order to get the adaptation that we need.
47:18
And unfortunately, if we expose it to stress, we're subjecting
47:21
it to fatigue. If we subject it to fatigue,
47:24
we're increasing the risk of injury.
47:26
Yeah, that's sorry for if anyone was like, whoa, we're we're
47:30
increasing injury risk by doing this in a vacuum, maybe like if
47:34
somebody does any training, if they train before they go play
47:39
or go do any thing at peak outputs, you've increased injury
47:43
risk. Sorry if this is the medium that
47:47
was used to break that information to you, but that's
47:51
just reality. If you are tired whatsoever and
47:54
not just physically tired, but acutely tired, like looking at
47:59
specific musculature, your injury risk is increased.
48:03
That's it. It's plain and simple.
48:05
But that is also why we will mess around with our training
48:09
economy or the attention that we will give certain musculature or
48:14
certain protocols given where an athlete is in their own recovery
48:22
schedule, throwing schedule, what have you and I, I just felt
48:25
like I needed to address that based on what you explained, is
48:28
that athlete who's showcasing right now, maybe we're focused
48:31
more on maintenance. Does he need to spend a ton of
48:34
time training? Yeah, 100%.
48:36
You said he's weak. That's not good.
48:38
But also, if we say Flexpro grip is the single most important
48:42
thing that this athlete needs to be doing right now, that would
48:45
be idiotic on my end to preach because Flexpro grip is great.
48:51
I'm not going to say it's not. But the reason we have it is so
48:54
athletes can compete on the field.
48:56
So if we spend more time on flexpro grip and then that
48:58
athlete can't compete on the field, I'm being a hypocrite.
49:01
That is, that is exactly what I don't want to be.
49:04
We want to be supporting athletes and being the best they
49:07
can be on the field and Flexpro Grip is a tool for that, not
49:10
something to prevent you from doing what you love.
49:14
And something that goes without saying, like the same kid is one
49:16
that doesn't have a spectacular strength coach in my opinion,
49:20
and they're doing like 5 by 8 on cleans for their Max days.
49:24
So buddies like this all the time, you know what I mean?
49:28
With like a hook grip. So I mean, he smoked, you know,
49:31
grip wise. Anyway, to your point, like
49:33
we've just got to manage fatigue as much as we can no matter the
49:36
device or input, right? So I guess a question I have for
49:40
you really quick and I'll stop asking you questions
49:42
specifically, but like whenever you've got those, there's 2
49:44
athletes, 1 Gold Star one, we need to look at his grades.
49:49
Are we saying test more frequently for one versus the
49:52
other? How close of an eye do we need
49:55
to keep on the testing side of things for the athlete that is
49:59
just gassed? Does that make sense?
50:01
Yeah, No, I'm with you in some of it is difficult in the sense
50:06
of in order to get the best picture of where an athlete is,
50:12
we need to understand where they're at from Max force output
50:16
standpoint. The problem with that is the
50:19
more you Max, the more you're going to fatigue yourself.
50:22
So I'm not going to say that we don't want to test regularly.
50:26
I think testing regularly is super important for that
50:29
individual. But also, if we test and we we
50:33
begin to understand how an outing might impact that
50:37
individual, maybe we don't need to test quite as often and just
50:41
ensure that we're doing the things necessary to get them
50:45
back to baseline to get them to whatever their current best is
50:50
until we get to December when we know that athlete might not be
50:54
showcasing and we need to get them ready for their baseball
50:57
season starting in March. So I I would say some of that is
51:03
the classic. It depends.
51:06
Do enough to understand what baseline is.
51:09
Once we understand what baseline is, we can kind of step back
51:14
from the assessment unless an athlete, that athlete comes in
51:18
and says like, yo, I, I feel fatigued, I might have a
51:21
problem. Let's let's figure out where
51:24
we're at. But once we know where the
51:26
baseline is, what's the point of continuing to, I guess, figure
51:31
out what baseline is, especially when we know we're not really
51:34
trying to make major improvements.
51:36
We're trying to hold steady until we can get to a point
51:40
where we can dedicate ourselves to further improvement versus
51:43
the athlete that's that's feeling great right now and has
51:47
really good numbers. That guy.
51:48
We can kind of look at it either way, like if we're trying to
51:52
improve peak performance and that's the goal, we don't need
51:55
to worry about throwing test whenever you want because that
51:59
that might be what the athlete cares about.
52:01
Can we get these maxes to go up? And I would be lying if I didn't
52:05
say that peak outputs are cool to look at.
52:08
And as you know, it's a great way to get buy in every time you
52:11
do a jump on the force plate or a mid dipole.
52:15
That's what an athlete gets excited about.
52:17
Not 5 by 5 at 70% of A1 Rep Max like that.
52:21
That gets boring because you don't know what peak force
52:23
output is. So some of it is juggling the
52:27
engagement factor versus what really matters.
52:30
But yeah, it depends. Figure out the baseline.
52:33
Once we figure out the baseline, understand what's most important
52:37
and put our energy towards that it.
52:39
Sounds a lot like training. Don't do bench press.
52:43
Wonder at Max every freaking week you'd expect it to go up.
52:46
Yeah. So they that's, that's how I
52:49
would boil down that answer for you.
52:51
But now I will, I will take the reins back.
52:53
Thank you for taking the reins for me on the podcast for a
52:57
little bit. It was nice to play guest
52:59
instead of host for a little. But I'll take it back for for
53:03
one more question or two before we let you go.
53:07
Now you did mention the whole youth development piece, sports
53:11
specialization. Where do you stand on the sports
53:15
specialization? I guess paradigm or continuum
53:21
because that certainly is a continuum in itself.
53:23
So at risk of putting you on podium for another debate, I
53:28
want to hear the, I guess, opening and closing statements
53:31
quickly, and then maybe I'll offer a little candor from my
53:35
side. Well, I'm very much on the early
53:39
sports specialization is not the best idea in my opinion.
53:43
Like if you can move in different ways at a younger age,
53:48
you're and again, like, let me preface, this is my opinion,
53:51
right? But like I forget that there was
53:54
a study out when I was in Spooner and we had I was on a
53:57
podcast for that and I was doing some research for it.
53:59
So forgive me. I've slept a few times despite
54:02
my son not sleeping but since I've read it but I believe it
54:05
was like NFL first round draft picks in whatever year it was.
54:09
It had been like 2020 or before but like I think it was 86%
54:13
played multiple sports in high school just thinking about that
54:17
fact. I mean I played multiple sports.
54:20
Granted I'm 5 foot 8 like 160. I wasn't playing freaking
54:24
linebacker starting center in my basketball team, but like just
54:28
being able to move differently and not having those repetitive
54:31
motions year round. I think that is the big thing
54:35
being in East Tennessee, dude, like it's baseball 365 like 100%
54:41
and and that's why most places are the prevalence of P OS right
54:44
now that I'm talking to in high school is shocking pitcher only.
54:48
And I'm like, bro, you don't hit like you don't play first at
54:52
least like come on. Like in, in my opinion, having a
54:56
well-rounded, I mean, it's kind of, we talked about earlier,
54:59
like methodologies like don't be married to one thing, learn
55:02
everything, distill it down. And then like eventually you're
55:05
going to get to the level where you're D1 or pro where you are a
55:08
pitcher that is your title now. But like in high school, I mean,
55:13
my gosh, like, I don't, I don't see how it hurts to play a
55:16
little, you know, infield and, and hit a bit.
55:19
So I assume to kind of counteract what you're seeing
55:22
from a specialization perspective, because of course
55:25
you have your opinion. Then there's the reality of what
55:27
athletes are doing to chase down scholarships and all these
55:31
different things. And I'm not going to be the one
55:33
to tell them you shouldn't want a scholarship and you shouldn't
55:36
put your eggs in one basket. But I'm assuming that then goes
55:39
back to why you program across the board and you're trying to
55:43
train an athlete to be an athlete as opposed to train a
55:47
pitcher to be a pitcher. Correct.
55:49
Yes. I mean like we've got phases
55:51
where it's like a GPP phase, we've got hypertrophy phase.
55:54
We might not have them rotating that much for a bit after the
55:57
season. But like thinking back, my D1
56:01
guys and gals are all multi sport athletes in high school.
56:05
Now that doesn't mean that that's the only thing I've also
56:09
I've also had some that are just straight UPS to us and they
56:12
pitched ever since they were 11. And that's what it is, right?
56:15
It has to be, it has to be addressed but not pushed, if
56:19
that makes sense. Like I've had several athletes
56:22
like the one I'm talking about that's going to Virginia Tech.
56:24
He played basketball. He's like the, you know, high
56:26
school leading scorer in basketball senior year this
56:28
year. And he's like, I just don't
56:29
think I want to play. And I'm like, if you're, are you
56:32
asking me, you know, he's like, that sounds like you already got
56:35
your mind made-up. And he's like, yeah, what do you
56:37
think? And I said, buddy, you want if
56:38
you're not into it, it may not be worth the risk of injury.
56:41
And you can work on everything else before you go to tech.
56:44
Then I've got some other kids that are just getting getting
56:46
beat up and they got tournament every weekend.
56:49
And you know, it's just, I don't know, I think if there were
56:53
seasons to every training cycle, I think it may be a bit more
56:56
beneficial. Too bad seasons don't exist
56:59
anymore. Exactly, exactly.
57:02
It's 365 and that's into your point.
57:04
Like that's where I can try to do the best that I can.
57:07
If they are going to sports specialized, that's OK.
57:10
Like there's nothing wrong with that, but we've got to adjust
57:13
the training to try to mimic those seasons as much as we can.
57:17
I'm never going to shut a kid down unless it's medically
57:19
necessary. Like maybe we ramp it down a
57:22
bit, try out the long toss for a couple weeks.
57:24
Well, there's many pull downs, whatever it is, maybe throw a
57:27
little bit less in your pins. But like if they are siloed into
57:30
that sport specialization realm, which a lot are, that's where
57:34
you just got to look at all the other factors you can adjust.
57:36
I love it. One other question which isn't
57:39
really a question. What did we miss, if anything?
57:43
Oh, I don't know. I honestly can't think of
57:46
anything. I feel like we've hit
57:47
everything. Great.
57:49
Well then I think we did our job here today.
57:51
Josh, this is this was awesome to chat with you.
57:55
I guess actually in a recorded setting.
57:57
Hopefully I stayed on task a little bit.
58:00
Like I said, I might have gone too far in the caffeinated side
58:03
of things. Plus a full night's sleep and
58:05
now I feel like I'm going too quickly for the first time.
58:08
One other ask for you, I suppose.
58:11
How can people get in touch with you or follow what you're doing?
58:14
Yeah, yeah, we're on Instagram at Tristar Strength X Rehab.
58:18
That's really our most active platform that we have.
58:21
I mean, we have Facebook, but my mom's on there and that's about
58:24
it. But yeah, we're we're actually
58:25
trying to try to get in the end of the TikTok game, per my
58:28
athletes. So I've got to download TikTok
58:30
like an old man. But yeah, Instagram's probably
58:32
the best place. Perfect.
58:34
Man, this was awesome. Really appreciate the time today
58:37
and to all the listeners out there, thanks for laying back
58:40
with us.