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Pigman Encounters & Vermont Cryptids with Strangeology · The Cryptid Huntress

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Well, good evening, everybody. It's Jessica Jones. I'm the Crypted Huntress
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and I am so glad that you guys are here with me today. My
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goodness. We have such a fantastic show tonight. We're going to be talking
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about something that I actually had an encounter with when I was in high school.
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That's a pig man. Okay, this is a story I've never told
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publicly that I can recall, Okay, And so we're going to go there
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tonight because we have Jeff from Strangeology podcast here in the studio tonight. If
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please go subscribe and go give Jeff a follow over there. You will
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be so glad you did, I promise. So he lives in Vermont and
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they have some really awesome cryptids up there that we're going to get into tonight.
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And I feel like I've really been focusing on New England lately and all
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those states up there. I had no idea there was so much high strangeness
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up there until recently okay. And I also so have a very special co
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host here with me tonight. I have Cryptidville. His real name is Mark
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Machik okay, and you guys have seen him. He's joined me on the
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guys. Okay, So on this episode, I have more Maycheck here in
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the studio to be my co host. I'm going to go ahead and pull
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him up. Actually, you guys will know Mark as Cryptoville in the chats.
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Hey Mark, Hey Jessica, thank you for having me as a co
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host. Oh man, we're gonna we're gonna have fun tonight. So this
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is this is amazing. I get my Saturday nights over here at the channel.
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Thank you for joining me on your Saturday night. You're welcome. Thank
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you for having me over. Of course, of course, I know there's
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there's some groups of people out of the LBL. Now you don't live too
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far from there, and uh and I know a few people that are up
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there doing some I guess, hanging out this weekend. I'm surpriuded you're not.
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You're not out of the LBL this weekend putting me on the spot,
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are you. Oh no, listen, I've been calling me asking me if
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I was there, So yeah, so I understand. No, Actually,
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there, I'm busy. Actually, you know, I had uh uh pre
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committed to being a co host with you night, yes, prior to prior
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to being asked to come over there to the OBL with my research partner.
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May know him. He goes by the name of War Criminals seven and uh
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uh you know, I just I just wish him the best of luck and
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what he's got going on over there, and that he's safe over there with
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with all the people that are you know, from what I understand, there's
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a lot of people over there. Well, I'm glad I got to you
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first. Thank you, I got your first. I did. Okay,
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Well, we have such a great show tonight. We're gonna be talking about
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some cryptos that I've never talked about publicly before, including one that I had
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an encounter with. Maybe I'm gonna say, maybe I got chased by something
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and we went to go see the pig Man that night, Okay, and
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something did chase me out of the woods. Now I'm gonna wait until that's
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story, until when we pull Jeff up tonight. But yeah, okay,
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Well let me go in and pull up Jeff. Okay, because let me
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give you a little bio, a little background on him. Growing up in
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rural New England, Jeff had his first fear or he had his fair share
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of bizarre settings and encounters with a strange and unexplained the topic of cryptozoology,
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UFOs and aliens, the paranormal world, mysteries conspiracies have continued to be an
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interest of his for as long as he can remember. Strangeology was created to
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share knowledge of these subjects and to research and find out new information and truth
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behind them, and it's also to find humor and levity as well, because
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who doesn't love a good bigfoot meme? Man, he does so much more
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than bigfoot memes on his channel, Please help me. Welcome to the show,
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Jeff from Strange Ology Podcasts. Hey, thanks for having me on.
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Of course, thank you for being here. Yeah, yeah, stoke to
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be here tonight. Oh totally Okay, Well, I was telling you before
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we went live. I love your channel and I love your all your posts.
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It's very creative, but you cover some of the most even some of
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the most obscure cryptos all over and a lot of them have to do with
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local legends and lore. Right, Yes, yes, there's so much out
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there, and it just kind of goes back to my interest in the strange
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and unexplained, the whole fourteen world since I was a kid, always gravitating
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towards books on Bigfoot and the Lockedest Monster and UFOs and watching all these TV
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shows and specials in the nineties. And yeah, it's kind of brought me
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to where where I am today for sure. Oh yeah, me too.
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Yeah, I love I love fellow cryptid enthusiasts, Okay, I do,
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And I had a whole lot of compliments on that sweater that I wore at
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Christmas. So everyone who is watching who asked me about my happy howlar Day
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sweater that came from Jeff's website, y'all his Etsy shop. He's got all
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the cryptid year in merch over there in your Etsy store. I guess it's
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strange Ology on Etsy, right, Yep, that's that's the one. Yeah.
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I have a background in graphic design, so I kind of when I
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started Strangeology, I figured I needed some kind of merch to go along with
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it, and so that's that whole branch of the thing that I do.
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So I have a home state cryptids collection, which is like all the popular
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cryptids in each state in America. I even have a few Canadian ones that
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I started working on, but I still need to finish, and all sorts
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about the cryptid encounter tise and that kind of thing. Lots of Mothman stuff
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too, and you know what that means. That means there's something there for
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everyone that's right there is now. So I guess, okay, have Cryptoville
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on here tonight. Because Cryptoville mark has had a lot of interesting encounters,
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okay, from everything from dog Man to I mean, we don't even know
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all of the encounters that you've had, Mark, Okay, because I've really
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just talked to you mostly about your dog man encounters. I've had all kinds
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you name it. I've experienced it pretty much. You know, I haven't.
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I have never encountered a pig man, but you know, if it's
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paranormal UFO related, and I'm sorry, I'm not uh, I'm not a
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member of the UAP crew. I still call them UFOSA. You know.
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I've encountered some some cryptids. I've encountered some things that I don't know what
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they are that just don't fit any classification for anything that we've ever that we've
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ever ran into. So yeah, I've had I've had more than my fair
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share, and I'm willing willing to donate those experiences to anybody that wants them.
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Oh yeah, yeah, you have some great experiences, absolutely. Like
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I've really enjoyed talking with you about the ones that you've talked with me about
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so far. But let's talk about some Vermont cryptids tonight. Okay, what
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is going on with the New England States, Jess, Like, I can't
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believe the number of interesting cryptids even like Windigos and the White Walkers and skin
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Walkers. I mean, you guys have some interesting things that you see like
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on the Game of Thrones. Yeah. Well, New England is very old.
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There's a lot of strange old stuff, a lot of really interesting history
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that goes along with it. New England can change the Green Mountains, which
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is an offshoot of the Appalachian Mountains. If people didn't know that that the
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that range goes from northern Georgia all the way to the edge of Canada,
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like Newfoundland, and even before then, you know, you've got the Scottish
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Highlands. Uh, and even the mountains in Norway and Sweden are part of
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that mountain chain from way back in like Pangaea even before then. So there's
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a lot of really old, interesting stuff. And each state in New England
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has something going on. You've got the Specter Moose in Maine. You've got
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the Woods Doubles in Koos County of Northern New Hampshire, which I'm not not
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too far stones throw away from there. You've got the Dover Demon and Puck
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Wedge's in Massachusetts. There's the the the Great New England Vampire Panic of the
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eighteen hundreds, which involved Mercy Brown, which gets lumped into a lot of
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cryptid stuff, but it's not a cryptid thing. And there's the melon Heads
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of Connecticut. And then Vermont, where I'm from, has a lot of
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stuff. There's Champ, of course, which New York also shares Champ with.
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I should mention that because any convention I'm at and I have my Vermont
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Champ shirt out for sale and people are like, no, that's a New
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York cryptid, I'm like, we can share it. Plus, Burlington,
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Vermont has a Champ exhibit and the infamous Sandra Mancy photo was taken on the
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Vermont side of Lake Champlain. And then there's all sorts of other stuff.
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There's bigfoot sightings, there's Bennington Triangle. You can also talk about the Bridgewater
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Triangle in Massachusetts. There's just so much. It's a little bit overwhelming at
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times, but you know, there's so much to talk about. If anyone's
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familiar. The book Behind Me Weird New England by Joseph cicro He chronicled a
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lot of this, a lot of this high strangeness, weird stories, weird
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history, cryptids and creatures and all that. So definitely check that out.
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If you don't have that in your personal collection of books. Oh yeah,
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I came across that when I was doing some research on the Vermont cryptids of
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there, and you mentioned the Appalachian Mountains. And I feel like I've been
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doing a lot of my focus of some of my shows on things that are
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in the Appalachian Mountains because I do my field research in the Appalachian Mountains here.
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I'm in North Georgia, and so we have a pretty dense population of
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bigfoots in the mountains here, and actually I believe the mountains kind of go
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into Alabama a little bit too, and so you know, I mean,
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we do most of our research all over the South, okay, but my
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main focus recently has mostly been in Georgia where I live. But I mean,
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we're getting reports of velociraptors in the mountains, like modern day dinosaurs and
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stuff. I mean, do you get do you have reports of those around
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there? Have you heard of any stories? You know, I'm not I'm
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not familiar with with living dinosaur sightings in Vermont at least I can't say that
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I've heard that, but we certainly have a lot of other things. Yeah,
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Well, you guys have had something that looks kind of like a terroosaur.
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When I was looking at the map of cryptids, they're looks like there
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could be terroosaurs or thunderbirds. And you know the line, the lines a
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little glory between terroosaurs and thunderbirds too, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, so there there have been sightings of what people might refer to
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as thunderbirds. I know people personally who have seen extremely large birds that don't
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fit the hawk or the eagle or the peregrine falcon that live in this area.
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Very large birds that are maybe four or five feet tall when they're on
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the ground, standing with like a fifteen foot wingspan. Not normal for this
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part of the world, to say the least, you know, condor maybe
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that big. But they don't live they don't live around here. They're probably
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not shooting lightning bolts through their eyes. I'm just kidding. No. Oh
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man, Well, okay, so well, my favorite cryptid that I would
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really like to talk to you about tonight is the pig Man in Vermont,
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and I'd like for you to tell us about the pig Man there, and
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then I will mention a little bit about my personal story with pig Man,
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because it's not there's not just one pig man. It seems like there's a
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legend of pig man all over the country, not just Vermont, not just
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Georgia. There's a lot of them. And the story some of the stories
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if you research and they sound eerily similar, yes they do. So the
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story of the Northfield pig Man, it's a story that you know, I
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wasn't actually familiar with until about I want to say, about fifteen years ago,
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where people started blogging about this old legend in the town of Northfield,
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which is in central Vermont, kind of in the capital region. It's the
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next town south from Montpelier, the state capitol. And so the story goes
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is that there is this humanoid pig man type creature that lurks in the forests
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around the town of Northfield, specifically around this road, an area called the
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Devil's Washbowl. Kind of sets the tone of the whole thing, right,
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And so there were theories that maybe people were seeing this thing. They thought
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it was maybe a deranged local butcher that decided to go off grid and live
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off the land and scare people and maybe steal a couple livestock or two and
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just be a general menace. But the main story that people often cite as
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the legend is that there was this seventeen year old teenager back in nineteen fifty
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one named Sam Harris, and he was a bit of a troublemaker and around
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Halloween the night before actually they called it picket Night or cabbage Night is another
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alternative night of mischief, where he loaded up a bag of you know,
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eggs, you name it to just kind of raise hell around town and he
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went missing. He didn't return home, and his parents got the police involved.
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There was a big search, hundreds of people searching for this kid,
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Sam Harris, and nothing ever turned up. They'd never found a body or
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signs of anything. And that can happen a lot up here. There's a
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lot of pretty big wilderness in Vermont even today, but back, you know,
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seventy something years ago, there was a lot less development and Vermont's a
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rural state already really. But so about twenty years later in the nineteen seventies,
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one of the residents in town was up at night and he heard something
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kind of outside of his house, and so he turned on a floodlight and
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was peeking outside of his door and he saw this creature just kind of peeking
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out of the shadows from where the light was able to go to, and
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he saw this kind of weird pig like face and the second it saw him,
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it ran off. He could hear it running out into the woods.
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Now, a few days later, the local high school, Northfield High School,
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was having a school dance, and there were a few kids that were
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they had snuck out behind the high school. And I've actually gone there.
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I've been out to Northfield a few times. I don't live too far away
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from there, but it's kind of like up on top of a hill and
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behind the school, it's just like this really steep embankment and it backs up
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to a forest. So they're hanging out back there, probably on the soccer
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field that they have behind the school. Hell of a hike for the athletes
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going up there. But they see this white fur six foot something tall creature
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come out of the woods and they're sitting there smoking cigarettes, drinking beers,
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and they're terrified. They're like, what is this thing? And it's this
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pig faced looking creature with white fur, has no clothes on, and it
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scares them to death. So they all run into the gymnasium and they're screaming
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like there's a monster out there. And the part of the story goes is
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that like a few brave youths, some other fellow students join them, they
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go out to go see what's going on and to you know, confront this
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creature, and by the time they get there, it's gone. It had
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slipped back into the woods. Now, after this sighting, there were several
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other locals who reported waking up at night hearing something rummaging through their trash and
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they go out with some flashlights or they turn on their their outside porch light
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and they see this this humanoid, white furred creature with a pig face going
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through their trash or coming after their livestock. There were apparently reports of livestock
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mutilations or just livestock going missing. And so how Sam Harris ties into this
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is that people people believe that this this this creature may have actually been Sam
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Harris, maybe that Sam Harris had made a deal with the devil. There
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were also rumors that he was cruel to animals, specifically pigs. There were
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rumors that he would hollow out heads of pigs and wear them like a mask.
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Kind of like a leather faced style from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And so
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that's kind of yeah, yeah. And then by the time like the nineteen
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eighties, like late eighties, early nineties rolled around, there was apparently this
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was a story that I came across on a message board that somebody relaid that
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he had a either it was either a friend or a sibling, friend or
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a friend. Who knows exactly that a group two couples boyfriend, girlfriend,
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two couples went up to Devil's Washbull Road, which is a where a lot
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of people had reported seeing the pig Man, so they believed that his layer
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was like in a cave somewhere. And it's a Devil's Washbul Road go cuts
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through over Moretown Mountain, and so it kind of separates the towns of more
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Town, Vermont in Northfield. It's a pretty remote It's it's on a Class
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four road, which is a you can only fit one car down it.
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It's not maintained in the summer or in the winter. You can't drive it
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in the winter. There are a few houses on each end of it.
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One end connects more Town, one end connects Northfield, but there's about a
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mile a mile and a half stretch in between, which is just this single
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road. There's an embankment down the side that goes down to a river,
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probably several hundred feet the no guardrails or anything. And so they went up
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to this area and apparently there's a bunch of caves up there. Now I've
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been up there. There was a new road being developed as an offshoot that
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I went hiking up once, but I didn't go far enough to see and
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didn't didn't want to run into the pig Man really, But yeah, So
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the story was that this couples went up to do a stakeout to see if
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they could catch a glimpse of the Pigman. And they found the caves and
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one of the couples took one cave. The other couple took another cave that
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was nearby, and they were going to camp out, and you know,
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just see what would happen being teens and being fearless or whatever. And so
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one couple is in this cave and they see all these animal bones in there,
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So something had been occupying the cave. Could have been a mountain lion,
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could have been a bear. They weren't entirely sure. They were a
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little bit uneasy at the situation, and then as they're kind of like settling
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in there, suddenly the other couple in the other cave hear them screaming.
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Turns out that the Pigman had come into the cave, taken a rock and
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bashed the boyfriend's head in with the rock and dragged his body off. Well,
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the girlfriend was sitting there like screaming in horror at what had just happened.
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And so apparently the other couple came to see what was going on and
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they were like, oh, we got to get out of here, and
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I guess the police were called. I tried looking to see if there were
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any reports to verify this, short of like going to like the town clerk's
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office in Northfield, which I would like to do sometime, but it's hard
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to hard to do these days with the limited schedule. But there wasn't anything
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to verify those claims exactly. It could have been, you know, just
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people making stuff up on the internet. But I will say that, you
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know, there haven't really been any pig man signings that I'm aware of since
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then. Specifically, however, on the BFRO there was a report that I
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ran across from the more Town Northfield area of a sasquatch, a bigfoot that
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had white, white hair, and so yeah, I was actually gonna ask
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you. This makes me wonder. Yeah, something makes me wonder if maybe
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what people were seeing back in the fifties, sixty seventies and even eighties,
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and who knows, maybe later that it may have been a bigfoot with maybe
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a facial deformity or something like that. I I I just have to wonder
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if that's what that may have been. You know. Well that's the story
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of the Northfield Pigman in a nutshell. Okay, I love this, I
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absolutely love it, and I have I have, I have a couple of
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questions and some thoughts on this because we do have a lot of white things.
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I say things because I'm from Georgia. Okay, white thanks. All
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over the country we have reports of white sasquatches, white bigfoots. There are
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other white white creatures like white dog men looking creatures and stuff up and Maine.
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From what I can recall, I mean, every region has a white
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thing of some sort, and uh and so uh John Fortman actually had a
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really interesting comment uh in here, and it was I think it's Coco.
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Actually, but this is about the Japanese vampires. Okay, so this is
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interesting because I love making these connections. Japanese vampires are white fur. Two
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theory goes that is not fur but filaments of a white fungus. Wow,
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that's really cool because when I look at because because you know, when it's
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dark and you see something that's really frightening. I mean, there could be
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some misidentification. You don't know what you're looking at. But maybe it just
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had like a snouty nose, it had a snout on it or something.
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I don't know. You're uh, Mark, you're familiar with bigfoot, Okay,
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you you've had your share of bigfoot reports and taken reports. Do you
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think that this could have been the pig Man could actually be a Bigfoot?
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Maybe? Well that's what I was thinking. The things that were described in
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the story are things that potentially you would hear a bigfoot dude, like hanging
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out in a cave using a rock or you know, something something as a
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weapon like a rock, or you know, you hear of them using down
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trees or logs, pieces of logs or whatever. And you know the way
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that it's portrayed in the story, you know, leads me to believe that
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that it's very possible that it could have been a misidentified Bigfoot. And you
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know that whole white white hair thing. You know, I don't know if
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there's like a certain percentage that you know, are genetically white or solid black
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or whatever, but you know, I've seen I've seen black ones. I've
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seen you know, ones with you know, the prettiest irish color cetered set
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he colored hair. I know that probably came out all jumbled up, but
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h brown ones, kind of a reddish brown tint ones that look straight up
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black Chewbacca off of Star Wars, you know, with black brown hair gray.
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I've never seen one that's solid white, but I've I've heard of people
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seeing those. And that whole facial feature thing, you know, when you
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look at the different types, you know, some of them do have you
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know, not real long protruding snouts, but you know, short muzzles that
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that can you know, could or could give that impression that it has like
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a like a hog type those or a pig man type those. You know,
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So it's definitely a possibility in my opinion. Well, when I was
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doing some you know, pulling up some pictures and you type in the Northfield
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pig man or the Vermont pig man. Things like this came up and I
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was like, man, that that looks more like an like some kind of
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grimlin or something. It doesn't really look as much like a pig man.
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But but then I came across as drawing too, It's like it looks more
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like a dog man kind of. So it's just it's kind of all over
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the place with as far as exactly what this thing looks like. Of course,
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that true that I had on the thumbnail for the show, y'all.
31:03
I know it is a scary looking pig man, it is, but it
31:07
looks more like that one. This one does look more like a dog man
31:10
or like a batsquatch or something. You know. So I don't know.
31:15
I just love the story. I think it's a great local cryptid. Now
31:18
do the people at at Northfield they did they, I don't say, benefit
31:23
off of this, did they did they kind of run with it and have
31:26
like a festival, like a pig man festival? Jeff, Like, do
31:30
they do they embrace it? Or no? You know, as far as
31:33
I know, there's nobody that has put together a festival maybe that's my calling
31:40
to put on a festival in Vermont for the pig Man. But yeah,
31:45
you know, besides some blog posts and some coverage in local media, there
31:52
hasn't really been I guess, an embracing of the story places like Point Pleasant,
32:01
West Virginia for the Mothman, or the Hopkinsville Goblins or anything like that,
32:07
or the Loveland Frogman in Ohio, which there's now a festival for.
32:12
Oh yeah, well, I think the story of the pig Man is a
32:15
little more morbid, and so there's probably not going to be a festival.
32:20
It would be so fast to make a festival over a homicidal pig man,
32:22
probably, right, Yeah, yeah, it's not really one of the cute
32:27
cryptids that a lot of these festivals are more based about, for sure.
32:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. I was just gonna say,
32:40
I've seen some comments in the chat about, you know, dog Man,
32:46
maybe a connection there, you know, and there are some some accounts of
32:55
dog Man in Vermont. If you'd like to hear about any of that,
33:00
yes, of course I would. Well, how about I tell my story
33:05
real briefly about my experience with pig Man, because I had I had almost
33:09
forgotten about this, okay, because this happened in high school and we actually
33:15
we had we have local legends here in Georgia, of course. And when
33:20
I was in high school, I guess, you know, you get bored,
33:22
you're looking for something fun to do, and uh, And there was
33:25
a legend of pig Man in the in the county where I lived. And
33:30
the story behind it went, Uh, there was a man who had actually
33:34
unalived his family and he had buried them in the front room of his house.
33:38
He dug he put it. He buried them underneath the house, but
33:43
under like the front room of his house. And if you went to his
33:45
house at night, late at night, and you get out of your car
33:50
and you walk up to the house, he will run out from behind the
33:52
house and chase you off. And and so of course what did I do.
33:57
I had to go check it out. And when when I was in
34:00
high school, and I think I went more than once. I went a
34:02
couple of times. But each time that I went, as soon as I
34:07
got out of the car, and I'd have my friends with me, we
34:09
would get out and of course it was like the brave guys went first,
34:14
but we would walk towards that house, and sure enough, something chased us
34:19
out of there, and I never I never got a look at what it
34:21
was. I never did. All you could hear was something it sounded like
34:24
a herd of elephants running through the forest, okay, because it was heavily
34:30
wooded around. And so in my mind, I'm seeing like the pig man
34:32
that's on the thumbnail for the show, Okay, I'm seeing some man that's
34:37
either turned into a pig. I don't know why they called him pig man.
34:40
They said he looked like a pig. He was half pig half man.
34:44
He had turned into a pig or something. So of course, what
34:47
did I do. I got really interested in it, and I was really
34:52
big into our mass media at school, and so one day, me and
34:54
my friends we actually went and shot video of the property in the house.
35:00
We went inside the house and sure enough, the front all the floorboards in
35:02
that front room had been removed, and there was a hole at least six
35:07
feet deep into the ground full of children's clothing in there. And so I
35:13
don't know, I can't it's been a long time since I did that.
35:17
I have the VHS tape here somewhere. I need to go back and look
35:21
into that. But that was the legend of pig Man, and we actually
35:23
did a story on it back when I was in high school back in the
35:27
nineteen nineties. So but the story's kind of similar though, it's kind of
35:31
like a homicidal pig man, you know. So yeah, it's really scary,
35:38
okay, but that's my story. I really never talked about that because
35:42
I kind of forgot about it, okay until we started getting into pig Man.
35:45
Now. I want to hear about the dog men and all the werewolves
35:49
that you guys have up there. Yeah. Yeah. This was something that
35:53
was brought to my attention by Carrock Saint Laurent, who is a cryptozoologist based
36:01
in New Hampshire, and he told me to look into the story of the
36:08
Hound of Cold Hollow, and I was like, what is this? And
36:13
so I looked into it and it turns out that in the town of Enosburg
36:20
Falls, which is northern Vermont, it's close to the Canadian border there.
36:28
Gosh, I think it was about it was like the early two thousands that
36:32
there was this woman that kept seeing this dog man type creature around her property
36:42
and she was getting audio recordings of it. You can find those on a
36:47
blog somewhere. I don't have link handy unfortunately. I can probably send it
36:52
to you later to put in your descriptions and stuff. But basically it's just
37:00
accounts of people seeing this thing out in the woods. Now, there aren't
37:07
wolves officially in Vermont anymore. They were made extinct back in the late eighteen
37:13
hundreds, although there have been reports recently of wolves making their way across Canada
37:20
and reintroducing themselves into this part of the country. I've seen a koy dog
37:27
before, which is kind of like a hybrid like a wolf coyote type thing
37:31
that ran across the road when I was driving home one night late and it
37:37
was like the winter, so the headlights on the car were really illuminating everything
37:42
because there were snow on the ground, and this like massive thing just ran
37:45
across the road and I was like, what was that. No, No,
37:50
I was on all foursts. I was on all fours and I know
37:52
how big wolves are in real life. When I was in the sixth grade,
37:58
there was a wolf sanctuary in and I believe it was Ipswich, Massachusetts,
38:02
and took a field trip there when I was like twelve years old and
38:06
got to see this wolf pack and the alphas. We were in this it
38:12
was kind of like the den for the wolves that was closer to the main
38:16
facility, and they were big, like and you think reports of dog men
38:23
being six seven feet tall even bigger than that. It's kind of kind of
38:29
crazy. But as I was looking into this, this Hound of Cold Hollow
38:32
story, I ran across old accounts of some laggers saw mill workers that were
38:42
in what's now the Grotten State Forest, which I live maybe like a half
38:47
an hour from there, and there was an account where there was a group
38:53
of three loggers. They were out in the woods and somehow one of them
39:00
got separated from the other two. I'm not sure if he just kind of
39:04
went to go scout out some other areas and he went missing. And a
39:08
few days later he comes out of the woods and he's just like totally deranged
39:12
talking about seeing this man wolf creature out there and it drove them insane.
39:20
And so I'm like, oh, man, I live like right near there.
39:23
And there were theories that potentially because there's stories in Quebec, Canada,
39:32
which is not not far and it's maybe like an hour drive two hours drive
39:37
at the most and there's stories there about the lou Garou or what people from
39:44
Louisiana call the rugaroo, may have been up there and worked their way down
39:52
to Vermont. Maybe they came over on a boat from Europe or something like
39:55
that. I don't know, but there are some some in interesting accounts of
40:01
some dog men in in Vermont. I heard a story from someone who had
40:07
reached out to me a while ago that they saw something. They were outside
40:15
on their deck one day and they live on a pretty like rural property up
40:24
on a mountain side, lots of acreage and most of it's just woods,
40:30
backs up to a state forest, and they were outside and they're just like
40:35
walking on their deck and they heard this like unearthly like scream howl. And
40:44
they looked over to the wooded edge of the property, which kind of went
40:47
up a hill a little bit, and they saw this six seven foot tall
40:53
bipedal thing. They were like, it's probably a bear or something. It's
41:00
like, no, that wasn't a pair and it was like moving trees out
41:02
of the way as it saw them and ran off. You know. My
41:07
first thought was like, well, it's either got to be a bigfoot or
41:09
a dog. Man, And you know, I wasn't at that point.
41:13
I wasn't aware of the Hound of Cold Hollows story or the story from those
41:17
loggers in the Grotten State Forest. And after hearing about those I was thinking
41:23
about that account that was told to me, and I was just like,
41:27
you know, that may have been a dog man. I'm not sure.
41:30
I'm not sure. And interestingly, there's in that region. There were also
41:37
accounts of some other people having footprints appear, tiny footprints, like child sized
41:45
footprints, bare footprints appear around their chicken coop in the middle of winter and
41:52
they walked off and just stopped. So there may be some kind of like
41:57
fay activity as well in certain parts of of this this this region of the
42:04
world where it's just like oh yeah, you know, well, Jeff,
42:07
okay, so so my when my team's out there doing research, there was
42:09
there We have an account of bomb. One of the guys on our team.
42:14
Uh, he was doing some he was doing some scouting, and it
42:17
was down by the creek and an area where we researched, and there was
42:21
one tiny child sized foot bare footprint, like a little a little human footprint
42:27
in the mud by the creek. But there were no other footprints. There
42:30
was once, and so we kind of were like, Okay, well,
42:32
it could be a couple of things, because this is in the middle of
42:36
nowhere. It could be a baby sasquatch maybe, but it seemed more it
42:40
was like superhuman. It was like human. Uh not. It didn't look
42:45
like sasquat, like a sasquatch foot It looked human. But we were also
42:49
thinking what it could have been, like an et, I guess, but
42:52
I never even thought about it being the fay or something, and maybe it
42:54
could like a gnome or a little person. Yeah, yeah, I I'm
43:00
not entirely sure you know what it could be. But you know, the
43:06
phase is a topic that I'm horribly underversed in. But I did an episode
43:14
on my show about the Alaska Triangle and came across stories of people running into
43:20
little little people, like in the middle of nowhere, hundreds of miles from
43:23
anything where they see They're like there was an account of some people going up
43:29
a river and they saw this little guy maybe like three feet tall or less,
43:34
with a pointed hat, smoking a pipe and he just kind of got
43:37
up that they observed him for like half an hour to get up and like
43:39
went into the woods and like what do you do with that? Questions?
43:44
Yeah, well it's a typical gnome. And I had I had Charles Andrews
43:47
on my show. He's a bigfooter from up in the Catskill Mountains and that's
43:51
where he lives, directly across the mountain from the infamous Rip van Winkle story.
43:57
And and they're very they're infamous for the nomes there and the little people
44:00
up in that area. And one of my teammates, Dave Pardue, he's
44:05
out in North Carolina with Carolina Cryptid Field Research Organization. He he has a
44:09
video and it has little people in it. Okay, there's a video.
44:15
You can see them they as they look like they're walking in a single file
44:19
line. Okay, like just having a good old time through the woods.
44:23
This is it. I think you filmed this at a national forest. Okay,
44:27
a national forest. And they're just like little they're like little people.
44:30
They kind of we're kind of on the fence cycle. Are they little people
44:32
like gnomes or are they eats? You know, That's that's kind of our
44:37
where we're at right now. It's like are they little people or ets?
44:39
So, but they're in the woods. They're definitely out there, and Dave
44:44
has a video of some interesting Yeah, it's it's like thermal imaging. So
44:50
it's it's thermal so you can only see their body timber. Sure, you
44:52
can't see like what they look like exactly. You can just see their their
44:57
heat signature. Gotcha. Yeah, it's cool. We'll have to check out
45:00
that footage at some point. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. It's pretty awesome.
45:06
Well okay, so wow, so little people, little people were a
45:08
thing up north to and so we've got him down here, you guys got
45:12
him up here. I also have something called the Awful. Are you familiar
45:16
with that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's one of my
45:21
favorite named cryptids. That's that's for sure. So the story behind this,
45:25
and it kind of ties into like thunderbirds, is that back in the nineteen
45:31
twenties, nineteen twenty five, the town of Richford, Vermont, it's right
45:37
on the Canadian border to Quebec, and the first sighting of this where there
45:44
were were some mill workers and they were walking down the street and they saw
45:51
they looked up and saw this massive bird like creature, which a lot of
45:59
people just ribed it as looking almost griffin like and it was just kind of
46:05
staring at them menacingly, and it was so horrendous, so awful, if
46:12
you will, that one of the men in this group that witnessed it apparently
46:16
had a heart attack and he recovered, but apparently would have like nightmare about
46:22
this thing for like weeks and weeks and months after and in the following year
46:29
or two after this initial sighting, lots of locals in Richford and the surrounding
46:34
towns would see this giant birdlike creature flying over cornfields, perched on top of
46:43
telephone poles and different buildings, and it was more of just kind of like
46:49
a menace. It didn't as far as I found in my research, it
46:52
never really attacked anybody. It would just kind of hang out and look at
46:57
people, which is interesting. There was one story of a local farmer's wife
47:04
named Auela Hopkins who went outside one day to hang laundry to dry. It's
47:10
a warm summer day. She's hanging up the laundry. All of a sudden,
47:15
family dog who's outside starts barking at something, and it's barking towards the
47:19
house and she turns around and she sees this massive massive bird creature perched on
47:27
the roof of the farmhouse, and so naturally she runs towards the house to
47:32
get inside and spends the rest of the day hiding under the bed until her
47:37
husband comes home, and by that point, early evening, it had flown
47:44
off. Now, interestingly, stories of the awful inspired HP Lovecraft to come
47:52
up to Vermont to kind of like investigate, and I guess it inspired a
47:57
little bit of his writing. So that's an interesting little historical tidbit. But
48:04
after the mid late twenties, sightings of it kind of fell off. But
48:12
as recently as two thousand and six and maybe even since then, some people
48:15
occasionally report seeing a massive thunderbird type creature in northern Vermont. I've covered it
48:22
before on my channel, and I've had people comment saying that, like,
48:27
oh, yeah, like I saw I saw that thing back in like the
48:30
seventies or the eighties, just kind of like flying around in the area.
48:37
And you know, that's not a documented species in Vermont or anywhere else nearby,
48:45
So yeah, it looks a lot like the griffin. You know,
48:50
there's actually a video going around that I saw online of an alleged griffin.
48:54
It actually it looks like a bird dog like a dog bird mix or something.
49:00
Thing. It's beautiful. This thing is gigantic and it's I don't know
49:05
if that's they're just one, if this is like a lab created species or
49:08
something, or I mean, I don't know if if all of these Old
49:13
world cryptids that we hear about. I mean, of course there's like dragons
49:17
and unicorns and Blimmy's good gosh and Blimmy show back up. I'm gonna that's
49:22
gonna be weird, Okay, Lemmy. Like the there's like a torso of
49:28
a human, like a human body with no head and the faces in the
49:30
chest. You know, yeah, but what if there is like a resurgence
49:36
of a lot of these Old world beast and chimeras and animals and what what
49:42
if that's happening now? Yeah? Yeah, you know that Also Old world
49:46
Old world cryptis makes me think of like things like the satyr goat man.
49:52
There's all sorts of goat men uh reported all over the country, uh in
49:58
America. But I got a report from somebody once who lived in Greece,
50:04
and they were telling me. This was early on when I started strangeologies is
50:08
back in twenty twenty and they reached out to me and they're like, yeah,
50:13
I was spending a week at my aunt's house and I slept on the
50:17
living room couch and it the front door to the house was off the living
50:25
room and they had next to the door, they had a glass panel wall
50:31
with like the the opaque or you can't see through the glass, you know,
50:37
I can't. It's like kind of like we Yeah, And they woke
50:42
up in the middle of the night and for some reason, and they walked
50:45
over to the door because they saw a shadow coming through the glass that they
50:51
could see, and they like looked out and there was this tall goat man
50:55
standing at the front door, this like silhouette horns and the cloven feet and
51:02
everything. And they're like, I swear I wasn't dreaming. Like I got
51:06
up and like I couldn't go back to pad after that. It's like it's
51:09
like I'm telling my aunt I'm never sleeping at her place again. So it's
51:13
just like, yeah, this stuff's everywhere. You know. That would be
51:16
terrifying. I mean imagine trying to go to sleep after that. It's like
51:22
the Devil's at your door literally right right, Like, oh, my gosh,
51:28
yeah, we had a lot of goat man reports all over the place.
51:31
I actually okay, So I have a friend who sent me a picture.
51:35
He asked me not to show it. I never showed this thing,
51:38
Okay. I don't even know where I put it, honestly, but he'd
51:40
sent me a game trail picture of an actual goat man. And it was
51:47
not a go It didn't look like a goat like. It was like a
51:50
like a pan character I guess, like from the waist down. It looked
51:53
like he had hair or like a fur on his from his hips down,
51:58
and then from the top of it was a man's body, like a lanky
52:01
looking man, was like stringy hair and a beard. And it didn't look
52:07
like a goat at all on his face that I could tell, but it
52:08
looked like it from the waist down. And they had been having some really
52:13
interesting activity on their property, and I believe he sent me that because there
52:17
had been there been an incident where someone had been kind of attacked or accosted
52:22
on his property and we thought it might be a goat man. I don't
52:28
know. It was a long story, okay, But then they had a
52:30
picture on the game camp it looked like an actual goat man, and we
52:34
were debating. I think the debate was, well, could it have been
52:37
a feral human? It could have been a feral human that was wearing some
52:39
furry pants, you know, but it was really odd. Yeah, that
52:46
is quite bizarre for sure. Yeah, what do you guys have reports of
52:52
like feral humans and stuff up in the because we have them down here in
52:55
the Appalachians in the South. You know, I'm actually I'm not not familiar
53:01
with any stories of feral humans per se. But yeah, that's you know,
53:10
maybe a good thing, but it's yeah, it's just it's just something
53:14
else to kind of add to the mix when it comes to the cryptids of
53:17
the in the mountains and stuff, because you know, especially when it comes
53:21
from like a researcher's perspective, I can assume you'll probably get some feral humans
53:24
in Kentucky, Mark, Yes, I have heard plenty of stories of feral
53:31
humans and just another thing to be concerned about when you're out in the woods.
53:39
Yes, okay, well I want to I want to cover a couple
53:43
more cryptos who before we go, because you also have well the Bennington Triangle.
53:47
Can you kind of explain what the Bennington Triangle is, because I hear
53:51
there's a lot, there's squatch reports and all sorts of other high strangeness out
53:54
of this area. Yeah, for sure. So the Bennington Triangle is in
54:00
the lower southwest corner of the state, on the border of Massachusetts and New
54:07
York. And the term was coined by Joseph cicro Back in nineteen ninety two
54:13
based on all sorts of high strangeness happening around the Bennington area, specifically between
54:21
the towns of Bennington, Woodford, and Shaftsbury. And at the center of
54:27
it all is a ghost town called Glastonbury on top of Glastonbury Mountain, and
54:34
that whole area it used to be a thriving milltown. There was a huge
54:38
logging operation that was happening there back in the eighteen hundreds. Not a huge
54:45
population of people that lived there, a few hundred people. But over time,
54:50
as the nineteenth century was coming to a close, a lot of people
54:53
were starting to move out. The logging industry was kind of drying up.
54:58
Most of Vermont was like cut by the time. By the turn of the
55:01
twentieth century, I think about eighty percent of the state was clear cut,
55:07
and so I think that was possibly a reason why eventually there was like a
55:10
casino built on top of the mountain to try and drive some tourism and to
55:16
keep the place alive. But I believe it was in like eighteen ninety six
55:22
or eighteen ninety seven there was this really bad storm that washed away a whole
55:29
bunch of roads. There was like one bridge and one road really that went
55:35
in and out of the town, and it was up on a mountain,
55:37
so it wasn't very easy to get up to in the first place, and
55:40
so that kind of killed the town. It became unincorporated by the I think
55:47
the early nineteen thirties, there were like three people left living there. But
55:52
over the years, in that area, which is now part of a state
55:55
forest, it's there's been reports of the Bennington Monster, which is kind of
56:02
like a Bigfoot. There's been UFO sightings. There's also an old legend from
56:09
the Abenaki Iroquois that there is a man eating rock that lurks out in the
56:19
Bennington Triangle. And the story behind that is it's like a rock that's big
56:24
enough to stand on, and if you stand on it, it starts to
56:28
become kind of malleable and it will swallow a person whole. Now, this
56:34
might just be an allegory for something else. It's one of the more bizarre
56:40
things that I've ever come across. A rock that swallows somebody. How could
56:45
that be? But that's one of the strange things that you could potentially run
56:52
across in the Bennington Triangle. There's also a series of missing persons reports that
57:02
took place between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty. One of the big,
57:07
more well known cases was a hunting trail guide, this guy named Middy Rivers,
57:14
who he was in his mid seventies at the time, but he was
57:17
really experienced. He was taking a tour group out nineteen forty five nineteen forty
57:23
six or so, and they were on this trail out in the wilderness and
57:30
he rounded a corner on the trail and as the group caught up around this
57:37
corner, he was gone. He had completely vanished, like missing four one
57:40
to one style. And I think the only thing that was ever found of
57:45
his was a shell casing from his rifle that was like down an embankment into
57:54
near a river, and that was the only trace of him that they ever
57:58
found. Just like vanished into thin air. There was another case of a
58:05
college student that had gone missing, a young woman who was trying to catch
58:10
a ride to go see a boyfriend I think up in Burlington, and she
58:19
completely disappeared. There was an army vat who was a couple of years later,
58:25
who was taking a bus from I believe Saint Albans, which is on
58:30
the northern part of the state, same side of the state, and he
58:37
had his stuff on this bus that was going down Route seven down to Bennington,
58:40
and when the bus arrived, he was gone. His stuff was still
58:46
on the bus. No one remembered seeing him get off the bus. He
58:50
had just like completely disappeared by the time they reached there. And then there
58:54
was another story of a young child who was with his mother one day she
59:00
was out running errands and I believe he had gotten out of the car.
59:06
This was like by nineteen fifty, I believe, and he had gotten out
59:10
of the car, went up a trail and just had disappeared, unfortunately,
59:14
and there's a massive search to find him and no one ever, no one
59:17
ever found the kid unfortunately. So yeah, there's a you know, some
59:22
of those could certainly be explained by you know, not surviving due to exposure
59:29
to the elements. But with all the other high strangeness cryptied sightings, UFO
59:34
sightings and that kind of stuff, it does make you wonder if potentially some
59:38
of them are more inexplicable than others. You know. Yeah, well,
59:44
I find with a lot of the missing person's clusters, they do. They
59:47
do kind of line up with the Bigfoot encryptied sightings and the UFO sightings and
59:53
the cave systems in the mountain rang especially in the Appellachians and all over the
1:00:00
country really, but it does kind of coincide and it goes hand in hand.
1:00:05
Now, I got to say, the first guy that went missing,
1:00:07
at least he got a shot off, Okay, at least he shot something,
1:00:09
hopefully on his way through the portal or wherever he went. Okay.
1:00:15
But yeah, it's really fascinating as to the missing people and the cryptids being
1:00:22
so you know, being so the sightings and that coinciting. Do you do
1:00:29
you think that the cryptis could be responsible for some of these missing people?
1:00:31
You know, it's it's entirely possible if they're there are hairy humanoids out there
1:00:39
or the fae portal could open up. Who knows exactly. There's one story
1:00:45
that I always remember that's in you know, one of I believe it's in
1:00:51
one of David Polaitis's documentaries or books, where there's a story of a family
1:00:55
who were at a campground and the son went missing as they were playing hide
1:01:00
and seek, and later on another family saw something that looked like a bigfoot
1:01:07
carrying a kid size something off into the distance, and it's just like,
1:01:13
yeah, like that it's potential. It's kind of scary to think about,
1:01:16
but there there's definitely definitely a chance that that could be a thing. And
1:01:24
never take your eyes off your kid when you are in the woods. And
1:01:28
I that's coming from a lady who takes her son to the woods pretty often.
1:01:31
We go out. We usually have our German shepherd with this too,
1:01:35
okay, whenever I'm out there, and it's we never go off trail at
1:01:38
all, and I always have my eyes on him, and he knows better
1:01:42
he knows I will whip his butt figurably, okay, because there's just too
1:01:49
many, too many stories of children going missing. I mean, I don't
1:01:52
even let him walk behind me ever, Like he has to be right there
1:01:54
in front of me at all times. So yeah, there's some real dangers
1:02:00
out there. Okay, Jeff, what is your favorite cryptid in the entire
1:02:04
world? Like, what is your favorite? Because I know, I know
1:02:07
you got one or yeah, well you'd think that being from from Vermont,
1:02:13
that my favorite cryptid would be Champ But I actually love the story of the
1:02:17
New Jersey Devil, so that's kind of my my favorite cryptid for the time
1:02:23
being. I've found a lot of like close seconds over the years, but
1:02:29
the Devil. I just love the the history, the folklore. There's just
1:02:35
so much to the story, hundreds of years worth of history with it,
1:02:38
which is really cool. Yeah, and they're and they're often reported looking kind
1:02:43
of different too. So one person will see one that looks like a goat
1:02:45
man, and then somebody else will see one that's flying and it's got wings,
1:02:50
and so it's really odd. I feel like there's more than just one
1:02:52
goat man. I'm not goat man, not go man. Yeah, there's
1:02:58
more than one goat man, but more than one Jersey Devil. Yeah,
1:03:01
Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting. And some some people, uh, during
1:03:06
the nineteen oh nine flat that happened where all hundreds of people were seeing this
1:03:10
thing that some people also reported it seeing it like breathing fire. So it's
1:03:15
like, is it a dragon like what's going on here? Or is it
1:03:20
really a devil? Like? Is the story of what their leads true?
1:03:24
It's interesting it could be. I think, I think if I had to
1:03:29
pick, like, I love so many different cryptids. I like the big
1:03:30
ones though, like just like just like, I like you know, big
1:03:34
dog, like my Germis. I like the big cryptids, okay, And
1:03:37
so I'm really into like the Kushtaka and like the dog Man, and of
1:03:40
course I love my big Foot. So Mark, what is your favorite cryptid?
1:03:45
Cryptid? Bill? Do you have a favorite? I would say probably
1:03:52
that would have to be mmmmm, gonna go with a with a classic,
1:04:03
and that classic is going to be the uh I'm trying to remember what it's
1:04:14
what its name is, the the the Tasmanian Tiger. Because it's a it's
1:04:20
actually a true cryptid now uh. And I say that because when you when
1:04:27
you use the term cryptid, crypted is okay to uh used to describe these
1:04:39
things, but some of them are not actually cryptids because they have uh supernatural
1:04:45
paradormal attributes, and you know that falls into it, in my opinion,
1:04:53
a different category. So I'm just gonna go with the the standard tas as
1:05:00
many a tiger and as being a favorite, I guess because I've never seen
1:05:09
one, but I've seen just about everything else there is. You know,
1:05:14
I've seen bigfoot, dog band, little people, you know, all manner
1:05:21
of strangeness. Oh yeah, yeah, Actually, Jeff Mark Mark has actually
1:05:28
seen a dog man that looked like it had war paint on its face really
1:05:31
at the lb L. Yeah, it's one of the most fascinating dog man
1:05:34
stories that I've heard. Very very yeah, very unique. It puts another
1:05:42
layer on it, you know, it's like it's not just a dog man,
1:05:45
it's got face paint, you know, war paint on. So.
1:05:49
Yeah, there's just such a wild, a wild and wide world of crypcheons
1:05:54
out there, and I think that you're covering so many great ones. And
1:05:59
you also, like you said Champ, You said Champ. So there's a
1:06:01
lot of lake monsters and that's something that I've been looking into lately, or
1:06:04
lake monsters, lake mermaids. Who would have thought we have lake mermaids all
1:06:12
over the United States, you know, I don't know. Have you have
1:06:17
you dived into have you dived into some lake mermaids yet on your channel?
1:06:21
No, I haven't yet. The mud Mermaids in Indiana is a story that
1:06:28
I've been wanting to cover for a while, but I don't know. I
1:06:30
don't know the specifics of it. Actually, it's interesting. I actually ran
1:06:35
across a video and I probably should have saved it where some people came across
1:06:43
a cave that had old cave paintings in I believe it was South Africa,
1:06:51
kind of near the Atlantic Ocean, that were like seventy thousand year old cave
1:06:56
paintings that seemed to show a humanoid torso with a fishtail, Like what else
1:07:04
would that be? I don't know. And the legitimacy of the of that
1:07:12
is unfair and unverified. But you know, interesting that that came up a
1:07:16
little bit of a synchronicity, and well, you know what, I really
1:07:21
enjoy researching the Lake Pyramid mermaid. So, the Lake Pyramid in Nevada,
1:07:28
that's a place of super high strange as too with their water babies. I've
1:07:30
got a show on that here, and it's something to look into. So
1:07:34
and actually we my friend Mike up in New York, Long Island Bigfoot.
1:07:40
He had a report of a lake mermaid in New York recently, No kidding,
1:07:45
now, yeah, there's always something. We never run out of topics
1:07:49
on the Cryptid Hunter's channel, and I know you don't either, And man,
1:07:55
there's so many great cool cryptids out there. So yeah, well tell
1:08:00
everybody in the audience where they can find you and stuff. I mean,
1:08:03
or do you do you guys have any final words or any final thoughts about
1:08:08
the Vermont Cryptids site. Oh gosh, you know, I guess, uh,
1:08:16
we didn't really speaking of lake monsters, we didn't really mention too much
1:08:20
about Champ. Oh, let's talk about Champion. Actually pretty interested because it
1:08:26
sounds sounds like you'd be like a Lotanus monster, but not in Scotland here.
1:08:31
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, the with with NeSSI
1:08:36
there's reports going back to like the Middle Ages, of course, but the
1:08:43
the first alleged account post colonial America was from Samuel D. Champlain in sixteen
1:08:53
oh nine. There's an account in Vermont Life magazine that claimed that he had
1:08:59
seen some kind of sea serpent in the lake. But the Abenaki tribe has
1:09:04
legends of this serpentine creature in Lake Champlain dating back millennia. They called it
1:09:13
the Guidskog and it was this serpent that ate humans. Now. That's the
1:09:24
Sandramancy photo, which was taken by the late Sandra Mancy back in nineteen seventy
1:09:30
seven while her family was driving up to the northern part of the state along
1:09:38
the lake, the western part of Vermont, and they had stopped to have
1:09:45
a picnic on the shores of the lake. And I believe it was I
1:09:51
can't remember the exact town that they were in. I think it was it
1:09:56
was like south of the town of Charlotte, Ferrisburg, that kind of area
1:10:00
maybe, And I know they were headed up to Saint Albans and they stopped
1:10:05
on the lake. Her kids got out, they were like playing along the
1:10:08
banks of the of the lake, and all of a sudden, this long
1:10:15
necked creature came out of the water and was kind of coming towards them,
1:10:20
and they were like. She was like, hey, kids, get out
1:10:23
of the water, and she ran to the car, grabbed her camera and
1:10:27
snapped that photo of this thing and sat on it for several years until I
1:10:34
think it was the mid eighties. That She revealed that she had this photo
1:10:41
of this lake monster that people call Champ or Champy. I prefer Champ but
1:10:47
yeah, it's a very interesting Skeptics say that it was probably just a log
1:10:55
that had a weird branch on it, but I don't know. That kind
1:10:58
of looks kind of looks like an animal to me. But you know,
1:11:01
there's theories that it could be something like Nessy that a lot of people think
1:11:05
is like a relic Pleasia Sore that somehow survived all these years. And Lake
1:11:14
Champlain does connect eventually to the ocean through the Saint Lawrence Seaway in Quebec,
1:11:20
so some kind of large ocean animal that lives out there could very well make
1:11:26
its way into the lake. There's theories that it's also a very large sturgeon
1:11:32
or even a like a snapping turtle, like an oversized snapping turtle. Snapping
1:11:41
turtle, yeah, yeah, get big. But their necks don't go out
1:11:45
like that outside the water. I mean, I mean they thresh, but
1:11:48
not that far. Yeah. Yeah, that was a little harder. That's
1:11:51
a that's a little harder of a theory for me to believe. But I've
1:11:58
never personally scene champ but you know, over the years of living in Vermont
1:12:05
have heard, you know, stories of people who go out on the lake
1:12:11
to you know, do whatever and they something brushed up against their boat that
1:12:16
was like really big, or they saw something poke its head out of the
1:12:19
water. So you know, it's like Champlain's a pretty a pretty deep lake.
1:12:26
You know, there's a lot of interesting history behind it. There's shipwrecks,
1:12:30
there's all sorts of stuff. But it's entirely possible that there's some oversized
1:12:35
creature that is undocumented living in there, I think. And beyond that with
1:12:42
other lake monsters in Vermont, like Lake memphorm Agog has a similar creature.
1:12:49
I'm not terribly familiar. I think it's just kind of a similar thing.
1:12:54
They call them Memphi. But yeah, yeah, we not only have lake
1:13:00
monsters, but we also have these large snakes too that I've I've been researching
1:13:04
and looking into. There are large snakes and tells of these large snakes all
1:13:09
over the place. And now, of course in Florida we've got the anacondas
1:13:13
and the pythons and all that kind of stuff. But we're talking about like
1:13:15
North Carolina and Tennessee, Kentucky Kentucky has a big, gigantic snake, don't
1:13:20
you don't you have tales of a huge snake? Ye, there are there
1:13:25
are some tales of large snakes up up in the Ohio River area, Green
1:13:32
River area. I'm I'm not real familiar with with those stories, but I
1:13:42
do know that that there are some that come from up that way, and
1:13:46
you know, just regular you know, like battle snakes and things of that
1:13:51
nature. There are areas here where they tend to get a little bit larger
1:13:59
than normal. And I don't know if that's a genetic thing or that they
1:14:02
just have plenty to eat there, but it's definitely, definitely interesting and definitely
1:14:09
not my thing. Oh well, I'm not a snake person. Oh yeah,
1:14:15
Well I just have a pet snake. Okay, That's something that I
1:14:17
don't talk about often, but I had a pet snake. Don't ask me
1:14:20
why. It was a horrible pet. I loved him or her, whatever
1:14:25
it was, but I had it for a long time until it got really
1:14:28
really big. Okay, So I don't recommend them. And Ryan Tremblaye,
1:14:32
Ryan's in the chat. Hey Ryan, he said that he saw anaconda the
1:14:35
movie. That's a big note for him. Now there is another really interesting
1:14:40
I almost forgot about this one. Jas, I really wanted to ask you
1:14:43
about this. It's the Lake Terror Okay, and I don't know if I'm
1:14:46
going to pronounce this right, so I'm gonna pull it up on the screen.
1:14:49
It's the one with the with a bunch of leg It looks like a
1:14:51
snake. It looks like a snake with a bunch of legs on it.
1:14:56
Yeah, mempory Mog, memporhy Mo. Yeah yeah, lake Lake Magog,
1:15:02
Yeah, Okay, it's another lake. It's like in the center of Vermont
1:15:09
and the lake goes also into Canada, and I believe there is there's a
1:15:15
town in Quebec called Magog that boughts up to it. That one is a
1:15:19
story I'm not as familiar with, but it's it's like a similar thing,
1:15:24
uh to champ just you know, another type of lake monster. Okay,
1:15:30
So this one, well, I'm actually oops, I don't mean to keep
1:15:32
pulling this picture of I keep hitting the wrong button. Sorry. Yeah,
1:15:35
So it's it looks like a snake, but it has twelve to fifteen pairs
1:15:41
of legs on it. I mean that just sounds like a centipede, snake
1:15:45
or something. It sounds really odd, but it said the earliest record of
1:15:48
this beast it was it dates back to eighteen sixteen when Ralph Mary and his
1:15:55
wife salt what they described as a creature that was the color of a skinned
1:15:58
sheep. It had twelve to fifteen pairs of legs, and it was in
1:16:04
the lake. It was sweet swims too, So I mean that would be
1:16:09
absolutely pretty scary seeing something like I mean, this was a large creature.
1:16:13
So I don't know. I mean, I I started having a problem swimming
1:16:17
in lakes after I did a show on the Japanese Kampa. Okay, so
1:16:24
that's just I mean every time I jump into the lake, I literally felt
1:16:28
like somebody was going to grab my feet and jerk me under the water.
1:16:30
Okay, So so thanks a lot. Show all these shows I do,
1:16:33
at least research it does make you question because we just don't know what's swimming
1:16:39
underneath this. Yeah, yeah, it is kind of scary. Thought it
1:16:45
is scary. It is well, well, we have people like like you,
1:16:48
Jeff that highlight these wonderful local creatures of legends and more and and so
1:16:56
yeah, so I really appreciate you coming on tonight and talking to us about
1:16:59
the crypt of Vermont with us. Well, thanks for having me, this
1:17:02
has been a blast. Well, thank you, thank you for being here,
1:17:06
and Mark, thank you so much for co hosting with me tonight.
1:17:10
You're welcome, and thanks Jeff for coming on and sharing some information with us
1:17:18
that we're not normally accustomed to. You know, every every every region has
1:17:25
its own set of legends and myths, and it's it's good to learn about
1:17:31
these things because it it not only brings life to those but it also uh
1:17:42
carries the history on and allows other people to learn about things that they may
1:17:49
not learn about otherwise. That's right, Yeah, exactly, that's right.
1:17:57
That's right. Well, we got to know what to look out for and
1:17:58
names scary woods, okay, and then there's lakes, that's the main thing.
1:18:02
And to know to know to watch our backs when we're out in the
1:18:04
wood sess all yeah, so, oh my gosh, all right, well
1:18:09
I love this, Jeff. Tell everybody where they can find your podcast and
1:18:14
your Etsy shop. Oh sure, sure. So my main website where I
1:18:18
have a blog is strangeology dot com. My Etsy shop is strangeology dot etsy
1:18:26
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Podcasts, Spotify, Google, iHeartRadio, et cetera. You can find me
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1:18:46
I also have a YouTube channel as well. I make a bunch of short
1:18:51
form video content and some longer form video content on top of the podcast.
1:18:57
So yeah, there's a lot of stuff out there to check out. Oh
1:19:00
yeah, for sure, you guys, could, I mean, just you
1:19:02
could binge wash your stuff? Oh my gosh, I know I have.
1:19:06
I especially did today and I was loving it. Okay, So thank you
1:19:11
so much. Mans. You're such a You're such a treasure for the crypto
1:19:15
community putting all those videos out. So thank you. Uh and I've learned
1:19:18
something when I watch your videos too, So I love that. And uh
1:19:23
and so Mark, tell everybody about you have a website as well. Would
1:19:26
you like to share that with the audience. Sure, that's uh cryptidville dot
1:19:30
com. I also have a YouTube channel that is linked on the website.
1:19:36
If you are unable to find it on the YouTube search. If you plug
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1:19:48
that's uh, that's where my website and YouTube content is well heck yeah,
1:19:58
all right, you guys go to Cryptoville dot and check that out.
1:20:00
All right, will y'all please come back and see me tomorrow night. I'm
1:20:03
going to be on Space Out Radio. I have Tom House as my guest
1:20:06
tomorrow night. He is the creator of something called the Immortals, which he
1:20:12
claims is what Actually it was stolen his playwright, his script was stolen and
1:20:17
they made the Matrix out of that. So he is the original creator of
1:20:21
the matrix and we're going to talk about that tomorrow night. On the eve
1:20:26
of the solar eclipse. Oh my gosh, y'all, Jeff and Mark,
1:20:30
what do y'all think about this eclipse before we go tonight? Do you think
1:20:32
this eclipse is going to affect the cryptids out there? Well, I think
1:20:38
you might maybe maybe. I'm right on the edge of the path of totality,
1:20:44
and for mot is expecting to have like close to a quarter a million
1:20:47
people come. So I'm just going to stay home on Monday. I'm thinking
1:20:54
about keeping my kid home from school that day. It sounds like it's going
1:20:57
to be a little disty. Schools are going to be closed statewide as far
1:21:00
as I know. Oh my gosh, yeah, well ours ours are not,
1:21:05
so I may just take it upon myself keep my kid home that day.
1:21:10
But we'll see. Oh my gosh, well, well, everybody play
1:21:13
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1:21:16
stays safe, keep your head on a swivel. I hope everybody learns something
1:21:19
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1:21:24
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1:21:27
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1:21:43
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