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Our civilization will end because men aren't stepping up enough! Those poor women! · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: And we are live. Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey
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  Speaker 2: My name is Brian. I'm here with Allison.
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  Speaker 1: If this is maintaining frame where we're going to continue
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  Speaker 1: to go through this Cambridge dot org article that I
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  Speaker 1: guess makes the argument that, you know, if we don't
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  Speaker 1: allow women to reproduce with alpha's and have other men
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  Speaker 1: pay for their luxuries, then our society is gonna collapse.
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  Speaker 2: Is that kind of what they were saying that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, basically flip the bill for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically what they're saying is women should have the
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  Speaker 3: benefits of provision. I mean, and it's just women because
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  Speaker 3: the children are harmed greatly by this entire framework. As
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  Speaker 3: we know, the products of single motherhood not great, not
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  Speaker 3: a good situation for children to be raised. And just
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  Speaker 3: as an aside, I find it hilarious that women will
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  Speaker 3: get on each other's case about I don't know, eating
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  Speaker 3: sugar during pregnancy, but you know, not having a father.
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  Speaker 3: That's okay, that's fine, that's ridiculous. But regardless, Yes, so
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  Speaker 3: they're arguing that we need more of the very thing
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  Speaker 3: that's suppressing our fertility in the first place, because what
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  Speaker 3: right now what we're seeing is not just that overall
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  Speaker 3: fertility is declining, but that decline is biggest in single women.
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  Speaker 3: So it used to be that single women, well, they
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  Speaker 3: didn't reproduce as often as married women or as much,
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  Speaker 3: but they did somewhat, and now they aren't at all.
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  Speaker 3: So when the article argues let's keep women single or
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  Speaker 3: allow women to remain single or be single mothers, that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't actually increase the fertility and there's no evidence it does,
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  Speaker 3: whereas married women have continued to have about two children
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  Speaker 3: per married woman. So the fertility decline is not in
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  Speaker 3: partnered women, it's in single women, and the overall fertility
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  Speaker 3: decline is because of a lack of women partnered with
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  Speaker 3: men full stop. So this entire papers argument that we
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  Speaker 3: should continue to make it easier for women to not
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  Speaker 3: partner with men, not only does it really beg the
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  Speaker 3: question why are women entitled to men's labor?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, when in the past has there been a group
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  Speaker 3: of people who were part of a biological category in
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  Speaker 3: which their labor was seen as the just property of
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  Speaker 3: another group of people. Didn't we get away from men?
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  Speaker 3: Did we call that something and we just decided we
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  Speaker 3: weren't going to do that anymore. But anyway, that's the
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  Speaker 3: argument of this paper. And one it won't do what
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  Speaker 3: it thinks it's gonna do, which is increased fertility, It
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  Speaker 3: will only decrease fertility. And two it's factly unethical, like
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  Speaker 3: it's this is this is going backwards, folks. Right now,
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  Speaker 3: we shouldn't be in this situation where there's a net
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  Speaker 3: tax transfer from men to women. What justifies that nothing,
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  Speaker 3: There is no justification that money flow from one biological
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  Speaker 3: group to another, none whatsoever. So right now this is
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  Speaker 3: wrong on its face. But let's do more of it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's put more gasoline on the fire of birth rates tanking.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I mean there are some things in this
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  Speaker 3: paper I can get behind, you know, talking about figuring
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  Speaker 3: out in terms of endocrinology, like understanding females reproductive endocrinology.
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  Speaker 3: It's what I talk about when I talk about V
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  Speaker 3: one a cross activation, right, that I can get behind.
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  Speaker 3: But not we need more communism, No, no, sorry, not communism.
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  Speaker 3: Communism would be for everyone. Presumably, we need more transfers
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  Speaker 3: from men to women through the state, So we need
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  Speaker 3: more state bureaucrats enforcing a bio essentialist hierarchy. Sorry, This
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  Speaker 3: really infuriates me. The solution is wrong both mechanically and ethically.
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  Speaker 3: And those are the kinds of solutions that really get
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  Speaker 3: under my skin, the ones that are wrong in every
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  Speaker 3: conceivable way. All right, shall we begin, Yeah, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, before we start, I got a super chat or
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  Speaker 1: a rumble rant that is right off the top and
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  Speaker 1: is roboto one, two, three, four, five sixty seven. Sorry
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  Speaker 1: All right, thank you for that. Oh good, we got
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  Speaker 1: special chat people activated in the vertical. Please give us
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  Speaker 1: your comments, we really want those. Olivia Maynard said there
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  Speaker 1: is no man tax and then went over to the
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  Speaker 1: horizontal to go there and said, men paying child support
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  Speaker 1: isn't communism. Taxes are taxes. Theft is theft? So like
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  Speaker 1: because somebody said taxation, no, Olivia.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, okay, there's no we're
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  Speaker 3: not doing child support anymore. Presumption of shared custody. You
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  Speaker 3: pay for your kid when you have the kid. The end,
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  Speaker 3: that's it. Then everybody's happy. The kid gets his father.
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  Speaker 3: You get what women are always complaining about, which is
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  Speaker 3: that they're doing way more of the work even though
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  Speaker 3: they're getting you know, the child support. Now you won't
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  Speaker 3: be Now it'll be fifty to fifty. There you go.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody wins. Right, that's what we do. We do shared custody.
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  Speaker 3: And what's wrong with shared custody? You tell me, Olivia,
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  Speaker 3: you tell me. All right, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So now on the article or the paper.
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  Speaker 1: So where we like stopped it at was at this table.
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  Speaker 1: So I should probably like give a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: context to the table. So this is in the section
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  Speaker 1: called our emotions do not work for us, but for
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  Speaker 1: our genes we were talking about, how you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: this biological determinist argument that like the genes are everything,
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  Speaker 1: nothing can be done about it. So let's engage in
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  Speaker 1: redistributive redistribution of resources from men to women. And okay,
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  Speaker 1: So it says we hypothesize that our eras increasing single
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  Speaker 1: dum primarily stems from women's greater emphasis on short term
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  Speaker 1: mate preferences due to novel environmental factors that disfavor biparental
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  Speaker 1: care for reproductive success, having well paying jobs, as well
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  Speaker 1: as generous welfare. Generous welfare, okay, puts females in a
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  Speaker 1: position evocative of what they had in our Great Ape
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  Speaker 1: ancestors promiscuous, promiscuous mating regimes. They can take care of
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  Speaker 1: children without the father's help. Most women may not know.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Okay, that's not what's happening the Great Apes,
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  Speaker 3: which there is actually some contest over whether or not
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  Speaker 3: the ancestor that we share with chimps was a promiscuous mater. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so that's not a given and in fact of look
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  Speaker 3: the actual evidence and one of the biggest evidentiary reasons
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  Speaker 3: for considering the our shared common ancestor. So essentially what
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  Speaker 3: chimps and humans descended from, one of the big evidentiary
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  Speaker 3: reasons for considering them promiscuous is now off the board.
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  Speaker 3: So they're even more likely to have been p pair bonders,
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  Speaker 3: with chimps being the ones that broke off and went
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  Speaker 3: into the promiscuous model. So right off the bat, you
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  Speaker 3: can't confidently assert that our shared ancestor with chimps wasn't
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  Speaker 3: a pair bonder, right, And then when you look at
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  Speaker 3: the chimp model, our current model does not resemble it.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why it does not resemble it is
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  Speaker 3: because chimp females don't get welfare at all. Hey, there's
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  Speaker 3: a completely the idea of women being supported by a
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  Speaker 3: community is underwritten by pair bonding. In the first place,
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  Speaker 3: we have that we have community support of women because
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  Speaker 3: of paara bonding. Chimps don't have that, and they don't
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  Speaker 3: need it. The female chimps can provide for themselves and
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  Speaker 3: their offspring as long as I suppose the male chimps
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  Speaker 3: defend the territory. Right, So this is this is a
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  Speaker 3: erroneous comparison right off the bat, okay, And uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I'm gonna call it out. I'm gonna say, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're not you're not actually engaging in this accurately. And
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  Speaker 3: the other thing is that do we really want to
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  Speaker 3: go to a chimp model? Like first?
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  Speaker 2: Is that moving forwards?
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  Speaker 3: Is that moving forward? I mean? Is this is this
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  Speaker 3: what where we're at now? Like, because there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of stuff we don't want that chimps do and don't do,
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  Speaker 3: and even worse bottoms Bonnabos do that we don't want. Right,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want a situation. You know, let's look at
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  Speaker 3: the Bonnabos. What woman wants to sign up to a
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  Speaker 3: situation in which Ma Baker's favorite son gets to rape
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  Speaker 3: you whenever he wants, Because that's the Bonnabo situation, guys, right,
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  Speaker 3: that's the Ma Baker top of the klan, the female matriarch.
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  Speaker 3: She decides who you reproduce with, She decides which of
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  Speaker 3: her sons gets to rape you that day. Is that
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  Speaker 3: what we want as women? Is that the symptom that
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  Speaker 3: we want. That's the Bonnabo system. Now the chip systems
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  Speaker 3: a little a little less nasty, but still it's not fun.
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  Speaker 3: And again we don't even have it because there's no
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  Speaker 3: chimpy underclass paying for welfare for chimp women or female right,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't exist, so we don't. We aren't like that
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  Speaker 3: at all. The very thing that makes us different than
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  Speaker 3: chimps our pair bonding, men's coalitional bonding. And it's not
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  Speaker 3: just coalitional, it's custodial coalitional. So one of the big
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  Speaker 3: differences between chimps and human males is that human males
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  Speaker 3: hierarchies are not based on dominance. They're actually based on competence.
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  Speaker 3: So because of that, human male hierarchies are extremely stable.
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  Speaker 3: They don't in law involve dominance aggression at all. If
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  Speaker 3: you think about it, like think about our modern society.
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  Speaker 3: When a man engages in trying to force something on
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  Speaker 3: another person through violence, what is that called crime? It
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  Speaker 3: is completely socially unacceptable and we have a whole apparatus
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  Speaker 3: to punish it and contain it. Our hierarchies are not
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  Speaker 3: dominance hierarchies. They are based on competence. Again, and they're
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  Speaker 3: very stable. So for example, you'll have like, let's imagine
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  Speaker 3: a medieval town, right, you have the smith. He's competent
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  Speaker 3: in his realm of competence. He defers to the tanner,
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  Speaker 3: who is competent in his realm of competence, who defers
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  Speaker 3: to the carpenter, who is competent in his realm of competence,
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  Speaker 3: who defers to the butcher, who's competent in his realm
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  Speaker 3: of competence, who defers to the smith, who's competent in
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  Speaker 3: his realm of competence. And all of that works because
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  Speaker 3: the butcher wants a sharp knife, the smith wants a
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  Speaker 3: workshop that doesn't fall around his ears, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: tanner needs hides from the butcher. So it's like this
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  Speaker 3: interconnected it's not even really a hierarchy. It's more like
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  Speaker 3: a network of competence and human men form these naturally,
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  Speaker 3: chip males don't have that. So your choice, ladies, is
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  Speaker 3: between being raped by mob Baker's favorite son or I'm
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  Speaker 3: getting smacked around a lot. Yeah, hey, because that's also
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  Speaker 3: what happens in chimp society. They don't do the matriarchy thing,
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  Speaker 3: but the females get slapped around because it's more of
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  Speaker 3: a dominant hierarchy. Those are your choices. Let's go for
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  Speaker 3: the Let's let's go back to monkey all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, reject maternity.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I got a super cham or rumble rant, sorry
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  Speaker 1: and a uh super chow. But first Roboto one two three, four,
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  Speaker 1: five sixty seven says for two dollars, if feminists use
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  Speaker 1: the whole picture, would they have much of a case
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  Speaker 1: to make use the whole picture? No, they wouldn't if
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  Speaker 1: they had to, like, but I don't know, I mean, well,
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  Speaker 1: it is it is feminists in so far as it's
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  Speaker 1: putting women not just first, but like only Darkiymora gave
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  Speaker 1: us five dollars superchow and says my love is vengeance.
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  Speaker 1: That's never free. Okay, that's a from the who. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let us go back to the article. Okay, most
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  Speaker 1: women may not consciously want to solo parent, but it
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  Speaker 1: could still increase their fitness. This hypothesized mating equilibrium shift away.
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  Speaker 2: From pair bonding.
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  Speaker 1: That's then now we reference to table one could partly
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  Speaker 1: account for observed dating app patterns, as it would motivate
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  Speaker 1: women to allocate more of their mating effort toward the
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  Speaker 1: most desirable men.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta get in here. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, No,
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  Speaker 3: all right, multiple things. First of all, I did want
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  Speaker 3: to address the superchow that said that feminists or you
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  Speaker 3: said that feminists put women first. I'm going to say no,
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  Speaker 3: feminists puts sociopaths first.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why I say this is feminists encourage
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  Speaker 3: women to tolerate the behavior of a man who will
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  Speaker 3: never commit to them, has no intention of doing so,
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  Speaker 3: and simply wants to to. I don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: use them for sex, but that's it. That's all. That's
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  Speaker 3: all that's on. And these women are not happy with this.
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  Speaker 3: That's why you get all of these tiktoks coping with.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the guy that won't commit, Well, why won't
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  Speaker 3: he commit? Because one, you are going after a man
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  Speaker 3: who is probably well above your pay grade. And two,
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  Speaker 3: even if he wasn't like even if he yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like a he wasn't your You're also going after sociopath,
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  Speaker 3: which is why you all talk about having narcissistic exes, right,
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  Speaker 3: And this is something that's encouraged by feminism because feminism
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  Speaker 3: encourages you to swallow your desire to have commitment by saying, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a strong, independent woman, and that's why I have
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  Speaker 3: to tolerate being some dudes booty call it at Thursday
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  Speaker 3: three point thirty to four fifteen out the door, you
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  Speaker 3: know when I'm done that kind of thing. And I've
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  Speaker 3: seen I've been doing this. They're tolerating relationship. Well, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: situationship bullshit that I wouldn't, but that's I'm not a feminist,
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  Speaker 3: so like, I don't have to embrace the suck. I
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  Speaker 3: can just be like, you know that and want that
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  Speaker 3: in my life. But feminists, of course have to embrace
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  Speaker 3: the suck because they're feminists. They have to be available
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  Speaker 3: to these men and then excuse it all of the
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  Speaker 3: problems that that creates by simply saying, why, I have
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  Speaker 3: to be strong and independent, so I'm going to squallow
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  Speaker 3: all of this emotional shit. And then the other thing
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  Speaker 3: is that who decided that these were the most desirable men? Like,
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  Speaker 3: once you take out the idea that getting commitment, because
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  Speaker 3: this is something that if you look in the past,
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  Speaker 3: a woman who could actually get a man to commit
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  Speaker 3: that had a bit of prestige to it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: she was wife material, right, she was steeing as being
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  Speaker 3: a bit, you know, a higher class than a woman
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  Speaker 3: who couldn't right that there was like there was a
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  Speaker 3: bit of a bit of a status to it. That's
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  Speaker 3: not the case anymore. Now we say that with women
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  Speaker 3: get a man to commit, she's losing out. She's a fool. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So when you take out the commitment, the men who
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  Speaker 3: are desirable no longer a man who commit. That's no
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  Speaker 3: longer a factor of male desirability, right, And and what
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  Speaker 3: do you end up with? You end up with these
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  Speaker 3: guys who just want to play the field. Good on them,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this is the situation that men are in.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough, I'm not going to judge them. They just
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  Speaker 3: want to play the field. They have no intention of committing,
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  Speaker 3: and then they become desirable, even though literally the human
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  Speaker 3: race is the human race because of men's commitment, because
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  Speaker 3: of their commitment to family. Like, if we want to
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  Speaker 3: race backwards down the evolutionary ladder, sure women can continue
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  Speaker 3: to not incentivize commitment, but that doesn't make the men
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  Speaker 3: they're screwing more desirable. Like on what level? You get
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Yeah, Like you have to really twist
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  Speaker 3: the hierarchy to start getting these guys to be more desirable,
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  Speaker 3: and they are more desirable supposedly because again, commitment is
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  Speaker 3: taken out. And it's taken out why because feminists have
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  Speaker 3: convinced women that when a man commits to him them,
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  Speaker 3: they are a fool. They're a fool, they're a pickny,
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  Speaker 3: they're a handmaiden of the patriarchy. They're an idiot, they're stupid,
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  Speaker 3: they're getting they're getting one over on them, They're subject
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  Speaker 3: to a con they're being frauded, emotional labor, youre gap
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  Speaker 3: all of this other. How many words are there to
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  Speaker 3: tell women that being in a relationship with the man
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  Speaker 3: is being a pool, and all of them originate with feminists.
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  Speaker 3: So you got this situation where a man's commitment is worthless,
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  Speaker 3: it's anti worth, it's like anti worth. It's a source
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  Speaker 3: of humiliation for a woman to have been chosen to
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  Speaker 3: choose a man to submit. So once that, once you
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  Speaker 3: get that in place, the only question is how how
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  Speaker 3: high of a status man do I choose to be
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  Speaker 3: humiliated by? And that's what happens when you take out
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: commitment as a desirable quality in men. And then, of
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: course the downside of that is the misery, but because
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: you can see the women swallowing the pain of not
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: being committed to and saying, I'm going to be a
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: strong independent My emotions are my own. I'm a strong
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: independent woman. I don't need commitment from a man. All
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I need is dick to be dicked down like once
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: a month. That's it. And they're just convincing themselves. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: feminism tells them to to convince themselves to be turned
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: themselves into sexual conveniences for men who won't commit. It
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: is an absolute joke. I'm only laughing. I'm not laughing
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: like ha ha ha, that's really fun. I'm more like,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: good lord, what have we done to ourselves? Okay, okay,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: let's keep going.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: All right, so the table? I think we missed some more. Wait,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: did I miss any more? Super chats?
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: No?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: So the table Table one. A line of modern pressures
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: may influence women to emphasize short rather than long term
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: mating strategies, which underpin our contemporary mating equilibrium shift. Different
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: environments facilitate distinct equilibria between short and long term mating,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: all of which could be adaptive but reliable contraceptive seem
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to be the main mismatch that hinders today's mating equilibrium
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: from providing populations with sufficient reproduction. And so they have
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like a list that shows the pressure or change, the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: mechanism triggered, and then the outcome.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: So do you want me to go through those or yeah?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Go ahead?
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Are you actually able to show this?
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking, I'm showing it right now. That mean, yeah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that's what this table is, right. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: The left also apparently can't make tables like Lord, I
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: guess they're trying to be comprehensive. It's recovered. I guess
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: it's saved a bit by the fact that it has
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: sources in this final column. Shall we go through this taple? Uh?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Well, we can use it as some examples, I mean,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. But okay, so the okay,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: here's an example. The first one working women's economic independence
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: caused reduced dependence on male provisioning. So it's basically like
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the cause and effect. Okay, outcome, less incentive to settle
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: for moderate value partners.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, the next, Yeah, go.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Ahead, I'm going to get in there. There are communities
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: where women are for example, hunter gatherer tribes where women
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: provide the majority of the calories, and they still partner up.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: So I don't. I don't think that's actually it. In fact,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you know, like women throughout history have been in charge
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: of what was the economic unit of production, which was
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the home. They still partner up. So I don't know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I don't. I think that there's something else going on. Again,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I think that the less incentive or moderate value partners
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: is simply the making men's willingness to commit something that
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: isn't desirable, right like we if you women don't look
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: at them like they don't look at In fact, what's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: really hilarious, and by hilarious I mean tragic, is that
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: you take a man equally. It's like just imagine you
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: clone him or whatever. You have two of him, right,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: one won't commit, he wants to play the field indefinitely forever, right,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and the other will. And because of the situation we're
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: in right now, you take the same man, one who
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: won't commit and one who will, and the one who
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: will commit is less attractive to women because the instant
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: he can be had, he's no longer attractive because the
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: attractiveness was the social proof every other woman wants him. Well,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: once he's settled, you know, they may still want him,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: but the fact that you know, he's not going to
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: play the field unless he does like the some of
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the red pill guys, do you know, it's gonna make
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It's gonna reduce that that lack that stability is going
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: to reduce the sense of missing out or that potential loss,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the fear of missing out in the woman, and it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: going to reduce what she's perceiving as her attractiveness to him,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: which is the adrenaline of potential loss. Right, so as
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: soon as he commits to her, he takes a massive
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: de buff and has attriunctiveness to her. And this is
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: this is why like a lot of guys are playing
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: the field now or not even getting involved because it's exhausting, right.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It's because as soon as they offer anything stable, she
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: loses attractions. Because the attraction in this system was based
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: on the fear of missing out for her and the
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: potential you know, the status loss that couldn't ensure her
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: that her girlfriends might snap him up. So the minute
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: he can commits, minutes she can have him, it actually
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: forecloses on her him being attractive to her. So that's
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the greatest irony of this situation. It is so dysfunctional.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: It's so dysfunctional that the same man willing to commit
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: makes him less attractive. And that's what I mean by
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: men's commitment being of a negative worth in this dating landscape.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: As soon as a man commits, he takes off the
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: table himself, walking away. And it was the very possibility
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: of him walking away that made her attracted to him
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: in the first place. What do you do with that?
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: You don't do anything. You just die as a beasties. Okay,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I might end up ranting about all of these, so.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: It's okay next, Uh, you wanting to go through the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: rest of.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: The chart, Yeah, sure, I'll just shut.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Up, all right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Generous so okay. So when you have a generous state, welfare,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: safety nets, and daycares, then it triggers a state. The state,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the state substitutes the provider and care role. This this
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: we've talked about on here forever. Basically, the government is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the father now and not the men, and then the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: outcome of that is solo parenting becomes what they're calling
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: it feasible, and male provisioning is less valuable. So they're
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: they're literally pointing at the situation. They're creating and saying, yeah,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: we did that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: But it's good, isn't it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Look at it? Look at how good this is. Look
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: at how liberated women are. Now Number three ambiguous male utility.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So apparently they don't think that males have any utility
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: or they don't understand what it is, even though literally
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: everything is running on men's like you know, work like everything,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: but they don't see it because it's not in front
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of them. So male ambiguous male utility leads to women
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: cannot easily assess long term value, which then results in
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: delayed parenting and single motherhood. Reliable contraception and legal abortion
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: leads to a severed link between sex and pregnancy. So
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: now sex is like completely divorced from pregnancy and family,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: which leads to reduced downside risk and more latitude for
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: short term mating. You know, I I just want to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: point out they keep saying they use this term short
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: term mating. What they just mean is being a slut,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Like can we just say that, like just like playing
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the field, get getting some dick out there in the wild,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Like that's what it is like to me. If you're promiscuous,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: be promiscuous, but don't act like you're engaging in short
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: term mate selection. That's not You're just that's just horror
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: with extra stabs. I'm sorry to me, I don't I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: can't think of a way to say it that doesn't
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: sound derivative or not derivative derogatory, But I don't know
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: how else to describe.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It, like the other strategy.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're calling it a strategy, but it's is
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: it though, Like what does it result in? Like you
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: thinks single motherhood, a bunch of kids that don't know
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: their father is.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: You know, not even single motherhood anymore. It's not even
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: a short term mating strategy. It's just a short term
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: strategy for disease vectoring. I guess right, because of course
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: women don't enjoy sex, as they say repeatedly, they don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: enjoy sex with men, So I guess they're just doing
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: it to make sure that the STDs don't go extinct. Yeah,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: it's charity. You don't want those.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Little a a living organism, and therefore.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Exactly we've gotta feel you gotta you gotta make sure
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: they got access to their habits.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Not not not quite as important as space rocks. But
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: like it's close.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: No, it's close, right, Yeah, it feels a passion for
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: your syphilis today. But like, seriously, this is not its strategy.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: It's not short term mating. Here's the thing, Okay, Chimpanzees
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: don't need birth control to be promiscuous, right, what they're
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: saying is that they no longer have the consequences of
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: sex that makes them promiscuous. And also men's promiscuity, very
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: much overstated throughout history, not actually as large an issue
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: as they make it out to be when they excuse this. Right, So.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: It's more of the apex fallacy stuff when it comes
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to men's promisecuity, Like a very small percentage of men
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: could could have been promiscuous, but they were the only
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: men that these people were paying attention to. So like
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the average man who can't do that is ignored. But
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the small percentage of men who can will they become
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: all men, you know. So that's why that's where that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: comes from.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And then they also ignore the prohibitions for promiscuity, which
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: every society I've looked at, the punishment for male promiscuity
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: is either the same or higher than that for female
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: So women get more latitude. It's free. It's actually really
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: hilarious because people will cite the scarlet letter as evidence
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: of the condemnation of women's sexuality by the Puritans. Yeah,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: she wore a scarlet letter on her dress. You want
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: to know why she wore a scarlet letter on her
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: dress because she refused to confess who it was the
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: man that she had committed adultery with. You know why
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: she refused to confess it because he would have been
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: hung to death. He would have been executed, a right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: So everybody's like, oh my god, she had to wear
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: a scarlet letter. Well, what would happen to him? He'd
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: be executed, And then they used this as an example
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: of how women's sexuality was condemned, and then they completely
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: forget why she did it in the first place, and
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: that the actual asymmetry and punishment she could wear a
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: scarlet letter if he was found out, Yeah, he's gonna die,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: all right. So that's something that's like throughout history, that's
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: very common where men were promiscuous, especially in like societies
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: where you know, sexuality is meant to be more controlled,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: men suffered more, more punishment. When you look at Islam, right,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the men are suffering more punishment, They're more likely to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: be Kane, they're more likely to be stone. Nobody. Nobody
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: actually points this out or at least as likely. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: nobody points this out because everyone pays attention to the
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: female victims for the same reason that we always pay
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: attention to female victims. That's who we care about. That's
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: why Boco Koharam could kill like, what is it a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: thousand schoolboys just cut their heads off or kidnap them
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: and kill them. Considering it's the Middle East, probably also
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: rape them, right, and nobody even cares. And then they
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: kidnap a couple dozen schoolgirls and the world erupts into horror.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: It's like, wow, that's uh, that's really illustrative of who
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: we care about. It's the same thing we don't see
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: the male victims. We don't see the man hester committed
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: adult with because we don't care. But that doesn't mean
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: that men weren't subject to greater punishments when they're promiscuous.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: But anyway, the point is that they overstate the case
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: for male promiscuity throughout history, and they do it to
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: justify this mess that we've constructed. Right, it's a mess.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Nobody's happy except maybe some male sociopaths and female sociopaths,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: they're probably okay. They usually get out pretty good regardless
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: of how much of a destructive mess they make out
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: of society. But you know, like this, most people are
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: just not happy with this. Women aren't happy with it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: That's the hilarious thing. These these people in this paper
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: are arguing to continue women's misery. And yeah, we'll just
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: tank the future of the human race to do it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Like I said last time, Hey, that's our goal. Everyone, Yay, Yeah,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: we're all going to commit species suicide so women can
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: be more miserable than they've ever been. Okay, all right.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: So I got another rumble rant here. Roboto one two three, four,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: five sixty seven gave us a dollar and said, so
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the choice was living with an a for adultery and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: for men to get killed. If men could wear the A,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I think they would, yes, uh yeah, well but but
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: but the social shame can be worse than death, you know.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, I think I think you'd probably get both, guys.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, keep you tilted with a lot of rotten
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: fruit on the way to the gallows.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Like that's true.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: It's not a it's not an either or when it
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: comes to men, it's why not both? Usually it is
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: some social humiliation torture, all right, and then and then killing?
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Why not? Okay? That is black humor. Guys, if you
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: need spell, I get you.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Oh hey, how's Olivia? Is she back? As she said anything?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: She's just kind of I think she's trying to get
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: attention from the chat, so she's saying like kind of
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: silly things. So I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about it
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: too much anyway. All right, So reliable contraception and legal
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: abortion leads to a severed link between sex and pregnancy.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Uh did I.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Already read that part?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And then a more yeah, more latitude for short termitating.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Then you got dating apps and.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Large scale sexual markets, which equals higher access to high
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: value males, which has the outcome of high filtration and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: aspirations recalibrated upward. Again, what how do we determine that?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Do we deter This is the thing about this paper too.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: It determines a high value male not by any metric
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: except does the woman like him? That's the that's the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: only thing. So we have to assume that women are
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the peak of the peak judges of character and of fitness, like, no,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: one's better at that than women on dating apps. Because
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: women choose this small percentage of men, then those men
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: must be high value. That's the measurement. It's because women
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: chose him. So this is just pointing out that they're
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: just running with this, like it's true, you know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, and not just not like men, not
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: like women throughout human history. Just these women women have
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: finally been liberated to select what they want from men.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Don't don't look at the feminism behind the curtain, guys,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: don't look at all of the shit that feminism says
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: about men, right, how many ways it under sells men
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: make value? And then also and then the big prime,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: the big kakuna is, of course men oppress women. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: if you know that, you in that heterosexuality, so we're
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: having a relationship with the man is a site of
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: your oppression, then your only question is trying to get
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: the highest status man to submit to.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: That's uh, Now, let's not look at that as a
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: potential distorder of what women's natural preferences are. And yeah,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I think I actually have evidence of what women actually
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: prefer when they're in a situation much closer to the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: ancestral situation, and I think it would blow these this paper,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: like the collective authors of this paper, I think it
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: would blow their minds because, first of all, in when
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: women are in more of the ancestral conditions, like the
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: conditions that we had when we were evolving, as opposed
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: to right now, which I really have to explain this, right, Okay,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: having access to the pharmacopeia of a post industrial society
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: is not something that human, the human, the female hominid
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: evolved to have. Having access to the comfort of a
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: post industrial society is not something that the female homonid.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Like all of these things, I know this is going
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: to blow people's minds. Just brace yourselves. Our society is
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: very unnatural, right, Shelter, inter central heating, electricity, a constant
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: flow of social interaction in your pockets that you can
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: pick out at any point and glue your eyes to.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: All of this stuff doesn't exist in the wild. Constant
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: like places where you can get dopamine hits doesn't exist
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: in the wild. All of this stuff is very unnatural.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And I know this is a stretch, but the behavior
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: of human beings in a a natural environment is not
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: necessarily the behavior they evolve to have and now bringing
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: that back to women's mate choices, you take all of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that away and suddenly a normal man becomes a lot
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: more attractive. Okay, And it's not even the provision. This
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: is the joke that the uh these, I should stop
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: using the word joke. The joke is to my word
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: for the day. Sorry. The thing that these the authors
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: of this paper probably blow their mind.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: When when you go back to that ancestral situation, So
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: when women are back in a situation where they experience
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: survival threat, they don't pair up with men because they
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: need to. I mean they do need too. They pair
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: up because they want to. And let me explain. So
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: if we ever go back to that, you know the
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: MiG twel will say, well, women will need us again. No,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: once women go through enough of a survival threat, they
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: will want you again. There's a big difference because once
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: that v one a cross activation happens, the want comes back,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the desire comes back, So they are going to want
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: you again, not just need you again, want, And that
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: is that is the actual ancestral situation. There hasn't been
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: a time where women have had this much comfort and
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: safety and it again it's really nothing to do, right,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: All they have to do is is pursue avocado prestige
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: jobs for the most part, if they're of a certain class, right,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: so comfort, safety, prestige. You know, it's it's this, this
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: is something that we've never seen before in human history.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: No survival threat, no sustained stress, no situation where V
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: one A could cross activate. That's my theory. Of course
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: still pending some actual epirical research, which probably will never happen.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so, I mean that's not it's not the
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: ancestral situation it has doesn't. Women do not have the
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: ancestral inputs, so their behavior is disordered. They probably in
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: that situation wouldn't consider these men to be the preferred men, right,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: They probably wouldn't because I mean, you go back two
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: hundred years and a woman who couldn't get a man
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: to commit to her, you know that she's not seen
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: is as prestigious as a woman who can, right, So
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: commitment became something valuable in a man. So just two
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: hundred years ago that had a value. So men who
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: wouldn't commit wouldn't be seen as valuable. They'd also be
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: social ostracized. People don't even realize this, like Rhett Butler
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: from Uh Gone with the Wind. Yeah, now, this was
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: written by somebody who had spent a lot of time
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: talking to people who had lived in Antebellum South. Because
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: he at one point was with a woman and they
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: were on their own without a chaperone. He actually lost
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: his standing in society for that, like he would no
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: longer be received in households of good standing. He was
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: considered a fallen man for that. So men who engaged
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: in this behavior, the behavior that we now encourage or
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: these women are incentivizing, two hundred years ago, he wouldn't
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: be allowed to be in somebody's salon like he would be. Yeah,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: you go out in the curb where the trash belongs. Right,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: So this is like when did this When this happened
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: was when we stopped respecting and finding men's consent u
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: commitment desirable. Yeah right, And men who didn't commit didn't
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: matter how attractive or how much money they had. Like
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Rhet was always in this story sort of on the
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: edge of society, and then when society broke down, he
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: sort of found more of a place, but he was
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: never really accepted until essentially everything became just complete chaos.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: But regardless, you know, this was like even two hundred
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: years ago, men who did not consent or did not
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: not not consent commit we're seen as less desirable, less
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: socially desirable. Right, So again we're living in a very
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: weird time, very unique. The conditions of our era are
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: quite singular, shall we say, and we probably shouldn't we
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: probably like nobody thinks that these women, for example, when
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: they vote, that what they vote for is sensible, right,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: But when they go on the dating app of course
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: we have to respect their choices and consider whoever they
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: choose to be alphas. See what I'm saying, Like, suddenly
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: it's exactly what you said, It's like, what the hell
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: are we Suddenly these women know what's right for the
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: future of the human race, they know who the ideal
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: men are. And yet they aren't making the choices the
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: same choices as their great great great great grandmothers would make.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: They aren't making the same choices as the female homonid
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: in the ancestral environment would make. They're only making choices
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: because they are beneficiaries of a completely artificial situation that
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: not only is completely artificial, but apparently it's also making
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: them miserable, and their choices are what we should consider
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: to be ideal for the human race. Okay, all right,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I'm done. I know that was sort of a very long,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: weird rant.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Oh that's okay.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I got a super chow for Richard Bierre, who gives
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: us five dollars and says shout out to Olivia as
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: we haven't had a chat troll since Carly Ellison.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's okay, guys, just don't don't drive her away,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: just like talk to her, you know, rationally. All right,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: So next on the list, dating apps and large scale
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: sexual markets lead to higher access to high value mails,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: which leads to high filtration and aspirations recalibrated upwards, which
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: already read. Then male mating stratification leads to winner take
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: all mating market. This is about. This is men though,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, which leads to more female competition for
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the same cluster of men. Yes, and this is not
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: a problem because you guys think that that's how it
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: should be, like that, like a very small percentage of
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: men should be having children with a multitude of women,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and a lot of men should be left with nothing
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: or well not not even nothing. Less than nothing, because
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: those men are going to have to pay for those
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: women's lifestyles and for the children through the government. So yeah,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: that's not going to result in those men wanting to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: burn down their own society to feel the warmth for
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the ashes. Well, I'm saying that some some could. I'm
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: not saying it's I think it's possible, Like you you give,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: you take away men's purpose. I think that they're going
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: to become destructive, So I mean, why would why wouldn't they?
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Can I can I do a sort of a supplementary analysis?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Sure, well you know, I'll probably do it anyway.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: But what am I gonna do?
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, So I talked about how men have a
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: hierarchy of competence, or more like a network of competence.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, there is a little bit of hierarchy, but
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: generally the guy who occupies the top slot does so
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: because he's able to like resolve conflicts between all the
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: other men. So it's like, it's humans are really interesting.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, a lot of the problem with
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: these researchers is they don't really have an interest in people,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, how how the human
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: do they just are like, yeah, humans gross, less of them. Good,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: but humans are actually really fascinating. So anyway, we have
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: this men human men have this competence hierarchy and they're
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I believe it was Unwin who found out that those
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: societies with the strictest monogamy are the most advanced and
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: they have the most achievement, the most innovation. That is, like,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: you can't argue that, you can't argue that there is
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: an absolute correlation between innovation and the strictness of marriage
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: in a culture. Okay, and here is a here is
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: a possible model for why. That is, when you have
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: strict monogamy, right, every man for the most part, to
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: a you know, to a to a reasonable degree, has
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: the opportunity to gain access to a partner by engaging
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: with the competence hierarchy. So there's a huge incentive. Like
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: with with societies where mating opportunities are sensualized, what tends
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: to happen is men use force to acquire the resources
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: of other men. But when you decentralize mating opportunities, what
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: ends up happening is men are incentivized to gain some
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: you know, become a node in the competence network. In
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: order to gain access to having a wife, because that
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: usually is the bar of entry, is that you are
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: in some way a helpful member of your community. Right,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: So this encourages every single man to pursue a productive
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: trade or some way of developing competence. So you get
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: you know, you get you get the you know, the butcher's,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: baker's candlestick makers, the tanners, the smith the carpenters. Right,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: but then you also get guys who try to find
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: new forms of competence to develop so that they can
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: also you know, become a node in the competence hierarchy. Right.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: So it's like this, this incentive incentivize a wider variety
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: of men, all of whom may have completely unique ways
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: of approaching what is competence, what is craft? What is progress?
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: What is innovation? And that expands like it takes us
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: from a more rigid dominance hierarchy to a more flexible,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: expansive and productive competence hierarchy. And that is pair bonding.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: That's incentivizing that, and I think that probably has been
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: working on us since the beginning, that like the beginning
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: when we evolved. So these two kinds of and the
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: thing is that even when you look at societies where
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: there is the sensualization, there is the harem model, there
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: is the sultan who has access to multiple women, that
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: kind of thing, there still is a competence hierarchy because
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: humans do this like almost inherently, so there still is
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: a good portion of the population that's acting this way,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: that's pursuing, that's pursuing into like scholarship, that's uh, pursuing business,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. But anyway, so the I think
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: the mechanism that makes these societies that are strictly monogamous
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: is that every man has a steak. And when every
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: man has a steak in the competence hierarchy in producing
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: for it, they bring a lot of individual variation that
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: creates a lot of innovation and progress. And even if
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: you look at like medieval societies, they actually in medieval
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: societies there was significant technological process progress happening in in agriculture,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: in like mechan mechanics, so like windmills and stuff like that.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: They they were like the precursors, Like it's not like
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: this everybody has this this belief about the Middle Ages
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: is like this dark dye encrusted time.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: It really wasn't.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't. It was a time where people were
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: making a lot of advancements in places where like the
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: previous empires just didn't have any interest because they had
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: to develop things locally and they had to overcome things
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: like certain differences in seasons because you just couldn't use
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Egypt as the granary, you know, so you had to
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: grow where you were. You had to develop more local
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: agricultural practices and that kind of thing. So there was
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: advancement anyway. This is a bit of an aside. That's
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: why I think that strict monogamy generally correlates with a
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: highly developed and distributed and innovative society. It's because you
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: give every man a stake in it, in the competence hierarchy.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: And I don't think we want to get rid of
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: that because it's self defeating because when you dismantle that,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: you know, like a healthy distributed network of competence, an
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: economy in other words, that's healthy can provide for women
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: who don't actually give back in terms of a relationship
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: with a man in the competence hierarchy, right, they just
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: sort of sit and they parasitize off of the whole thing.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you have a healthy enough economy, you
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: can manage that. But if you start at scale destroying
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: that connection between these men and their work in society,
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: right then you are going to lose the very thing
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: that generates the surplus that allows women to be single mothers.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: And that doesn't like that isn't something that applies for chimps.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Like it's just it's you know, this is gonna blow up.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: It is blowing up. Okay, all right, okay, I.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Got a rumble rant from Roboto one, two, three, four,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: five sixty seven again and they say, you know who
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: has the Harem model right now? France proven when asked
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: they can have paternity tests, after which they then outlawed
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: paternity tests because it highly affected inheritance law. I just
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: read it as it was written, So thank you, Roberto.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: France is weird.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just weird.
• 56:41
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• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so all right, back to the chart. Exposure
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: to high value male imagery, such as media and influencers
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: leads to an upward recalibration of what is average, which
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: then leads to perceived scarcity and fewer men seen as adequate.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Sounds like something we could blame women for, But no,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: we're not going to. We're just gonna pretend like, Yeah,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I guess that's just the way that cookie crumbles urban. Yeah.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: But no pornification, Like is that not port Like when
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: they say men are porn sick, we're allowed to condemn
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: men for it? Yeah, right, but we can't. Yeah. And
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: the other thing is that, what the heck do they
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: mean by uh, idealize men? Like the guys are they
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: talking about, like Chris Helmsworth and all of those like bodies.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Oh they're talking No, they're saying it well, media and influencers,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: so like famous men have been around forever, and that's
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: really had an effect too much on like women's sense
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: of their own I don't know, like their own worth
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: or like they're where they sit in the hierarchy, because
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: there is you know, like a hierarchy of like desirability
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: that's affected by you know, what you have to offer,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: how good of a person you are, how well you
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: take care of yourself, but also with your proximity, like
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: where you are in the world, where you are in
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: terms of like your personal goals, where you are in
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: terms of your community, and all of that will play
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: a role in like the person you paired up with.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Even though there were you know, famous people that existed
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: like that you might be attracted to. We all had
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: crushes on selectes growing up. It was normal, but we
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: didn't think, well, if I don't get that person, you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna settle for anyone anything less than
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: this famous person. So I don't think that that's true.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: But now we also have influencers, so we're talking about
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: people that otherwise I guess according to the paper, they
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: would presume that those those men would not be famous
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: because they're not like stars, you know, musicians or comedians
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: or actors or whatever, athletes, they're just social media influencers,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: and yet the women are also looking at those guys. Now,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of it has to do
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: with the fact that influencers become big because they also
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: have other traits that famous people would have, Like they
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: may be attractive, they may be very fit or whatever,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: or they have an advantage in some way, like you
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: know they have they come from money, and so they
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: could use that to create a big platform. But like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the the point is is that they they they exude status,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: and the women are apparently drawn to that. But then
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: they also think, well, that guy's a normal guy that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: came from nothing, So why can't I have a guy
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: like that? So maybe that's what they mean by that,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, so, but yeah, I agree that.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I guess it's just like because the thing is with
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: with women too, I don't know. I half the time,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think they know what they want. I think
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: that they just want what other women want. So they
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: just see what other women are talking about and they say,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I want that because you know, I want to make
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: these girls jealous or whatever. It's not it's not about
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: like whether what is gonna be the best match for
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: building a family and a life together. It's more like,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: what's gonna what's gonna make other girls jealous? Because that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of I mean, I don't you know,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: that's what I that, That's what I think is going on,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: which is why I think this comparison to you know,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: like where women comparing the men around them to like
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: famous social media influencers and celebrities. Like I always remind
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: people about the time that when Zack Gallifanakis was really
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: famous after The Hangover came out. Zach Gallifanakis is like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: this short, pudgy Greek guy that's like covered in hair,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: and he's got a big beard, and he's just kind
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: of like looks like he's a little bit of the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: down syndrome. So he's not he's not exactly a stud.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: But because the movie was so popular, and because he
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: was one of the funniest things in the movie, then
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: all these women on dating sides were like, yeah, if
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you're if you're if you look like Zach Gallafanakis, that's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: a plus. Now, of course they're not saying that anymore
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: because he's no longer a big deal. He's like nobody.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: So this is why I'm saying, like, why are we
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: deferring to women's preferences which are constantly moving and they're
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and they're completely arbitrary because it's all about trends and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: like what's popular and nothing to do with anything that's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: actually gonna build something stable, nothing to do with that.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: It's just oh, does makes my nether regions singles? So
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I want that really, Like, yeah, like if we did
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: that with men, Like if men, if we basically just
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: followed whatever the whims of men were and we told women, well,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: you just have to look like that now, because that's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: what men are asking for, Like what I mean, it
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: would we would It would destroy everything, right, It would
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: be the same thing I mean if yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody would have to look like a a cat girl.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: But uh but okay, yeah, the thing is that you are.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: In a fat ass.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but even that is is actually sort of within
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: the realm of possibility, maybe not the ears right or
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: the tail, but the rest of it. But I think
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: what you're getting at is that it's we're we're looking
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: at a very distorted subset of and that's I think
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: what I was talking about before. We're looking at a
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: very women in a very strange environment, right, a very strange,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: distorted environment. And we're also looking at women who are
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: not very mature in their choices, so they're very you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: bandied about by the whims of the social network, shall
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: we say? And we're saying this is what society needs
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: to aim for, and maybe we need to step back
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: and ask ourselves, do we really need to be ruled
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: by teenage girls? Is that really what we should do?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean if I went up and I said,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: you know what we need to do, we need to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: arrange our society around the lines not of the lobster,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: but of the teenage boy. What people immediately say about
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: that assertion that everything, like our society, we should prioritize
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: the desires of teenage boys, right, that that should be
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: the thing we aim for. And no, it isn't okay,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: if any feminist is listening, we don't do that, right,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: we shame men for any kind of shallow desire they have.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: But let's say we were. I was advocating that we
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: should rearrange society so that everything is defined by the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: desires of a teenage boy. I mean, I'm not hawking
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: late teens, like maybe maybe a fourteen year old, right,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: that's what we should do. Everybody would be rightly say,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: you know that, I think that's a little mad. I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: don't think we should do that. That's not a good idea.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: And yet when we look at this subset of very immature,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: overly like socially influenced, like malleable and living girls living
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: in an incredibly distorted world, we're like, yeah, that we
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: we should rearrange our society for their desires. I say no,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: let us not live in the society arranged for the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: whims of Natasha and Warren Peace. I think it was Natasha. Yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I think that's not a good idea. Let us not
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: do that. Let us reconsider any anybody who suggests we should,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: and perhaps we should start thinking about that that they
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: need to be shamed, that word shamed out of such
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: an immature attitude to relationships right there that I would
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: like to propose that this whole alpha chad stuff is
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: just the teenage girl with a crush on the jock
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: like the head of the football team. That's it. And
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: what we need is not to rearrange our world around
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: the whims of a teenage girl's crush, but to encourage
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: the teenage girl to grow the fuck up. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: I think that's what you're getting at it.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a childish infatuation that we're basically calling short
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: term mate selection. No, it's infatuation. You need to be
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: bonked because you have the horny and we're not supposed
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: to just like, well, I guess we'll give her what
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: she wants. That's what I mean when I say this
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: isn't even like people will say, you know, like this
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: something about like this there, let me see, I saw
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: something about about what men should be doing. But the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: thing is this, this is not something men can fix
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: on their own. And the other thing is it has
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with what the women and want Like
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: this is the mistake. This has nothing to do with
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: you ladies. This is about the future of our civilization
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and by extension children Ultimately, it's about families and children. Now, look,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: if you don't want to have kids ever, that's your business,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: but don't try to trick everyone else into thinking that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: that's actually what they want to And if they do
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: want children, then they have to start acting like it,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: which means like an adult. And this is just entertaining
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: childish desires ultimately, and.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Again, if anybody asserted that we should rearrange society along
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: the lines of the desires of a fourteen year old boy,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: that wouldn't fly. That would be like go over like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: a lead balloon. And yet this is what this paper
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: is arguing. We should rearrange society, Yeah, to indulge the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: fourteen year old girl. How about no, how about instead
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: we demand that she'd grow up and enter an adult
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: world where the compromises have to happen. You can fantasize
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: about the captain of the football team all you want,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: but you're not going to get them unless you're the captain,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: the chief head, you know, cheerleader. I suppose anyway, But
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: I just want to add one thing just to what
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: you're saying. Yes, the whole idea that we have to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: rearrange our society around what women want is actually pretty
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: astounding if you think about it. But also that or
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: like literally that's what they're saying. They're saying, we need
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: to arrange society around what women want, period, even though
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: giving women what they want apparently would lead to our
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: distinct our extinction. But then the other aspect to this
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: is as I've been trying to bring up, is what
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: these women want? What they want? Is that actually what
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: they want? Right? Do these women, like you were saying, Brian,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: do they even know what they want?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Or like you were saying, they just want what they're
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: told what will make their girlfriends jealous. What the latest
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: hotness is? Right? Is that? Is that do they really
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: know what they want as an individual? Have they really
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: figured that out? Right? And have they figured out, you know, what,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: what their what their goals for their life is. Is
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: it really just to orbit a man and make some
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: vague gestures towards some kind of commitment, but not too
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: much because you know that he'll just drop you from
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: his roster if you do too much? Right? Is that
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: what they is? That the goal of their life? And
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: to have all of this stuff but no nobody in it, like,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: no no building, nothing, creating nothing. Is that really what
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: they want? And if that was what they want, why
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: are they more miserable than ever and making coping like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: doing TikTok cope videos? And why is romance a billion
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: a trillion dollar industry If women don't want a relationship
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: with a man, or at least the facsimile of one,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: and again, the best selling romances are not what you
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: would assume. So obviously women do want at least the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: fact simile of a relationship with a man. But then
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: the question becomes, what's copying you from getting it for free?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I mean it's not It's like, you know that the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: husbands in the park are free. The government doesn't want
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: you to know that.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Ladies, you can just take them home.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Ask them, Yeah, ask them if they're into that, and
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: then take them. But yeah, that's uh, you know, it's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: it's like, do you do you? Is this? Is this
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: really the the hoof prince of happiness? And but here's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: the other thing. I'm gonna be really honest, and maybe
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: this will offend people. But if I weren't the type
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: of person I am, I'm like, I uh, I'm like,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: you know, somebody will say, don't look under that rock.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: It'll be like a sign. I'll be like, but I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: have to now I have to look under that rock
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: because you've told me not to. And uh, yeah, I'm
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sort of a yeah, I can't let things go.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: I have to know and I I and if there's
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: something that doesn't seem right, I have to figure it out.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm I guess I don't. I don't just passively
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: agree with people. But that makes me an outlier, I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: have found. And if I wasn't that, if I was
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: just a regular woman going with the flow, absorbing the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: feminist messaging around men, right, I wouldn't want to be
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: with a man, like I'll just be flat out yeah, Like,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: if I wasn't somebody who thought critically about the things
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: that I'm told, I would just absorb, passively absorb the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: messaging that feminists make around men and men as partners
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: and their oppression narrative. And I'd be like, yeah, that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't that wouldn't make any sense for my life. Why
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: would I want to take on such a huge liability,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: you know? And that's a rational response for a woman
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: to make. In a society where feminist says what says,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: feminists say what they say about men, the rational response
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: is to reject men as partners for women.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: So that's another factor we have to consider the distortion
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: that feminism is creating on what women design. And I've
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: mentioned one thing is that if you believe that heterosexuality
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: is the site of oppression, then of course you're gonna
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: wanna be oppressed by the best man you can get.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's that is an unbelievable hypergamy driver, Like
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: why would you want to be oppressed by Joe the plumber?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Like you you wouldn't you want to have anything to
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: do with Joe the plumber. If you're going to be oppressed,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: you want Christian Gray the billionaire. Right, that's a that
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: is an unbelievable like bart to hypergamy. It just it
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: sets it a blade, like it just dumps gasoline on it.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: That's going to destroy what women are seeing when wanting, right,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: and then all of the negative messaging about men is
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: going to undermine the at what the average man's worth.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: And then you have, in addition to that, all of
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: the extraneous sources of dopamine that women get. Like you
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: think about it, just just this one thing, dopamine. Okay,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: You are in a let's say, uh uh survival farming community,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: so subsistence farming. Right, your day is basically hoeing turnips,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: like you know, moving dirt, uh maybe milking cows, throwing
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: down stuff, Like every aspect of your day is labor
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: or uncomfortable. Right, The only source of any kind of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: dopamine in your life is your wife or your husband. Okay,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: that's going to create a lot stronger bond than when
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: you can just go on I don't know, Twitter, No,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: maybe not Twitter, but TikTok and doom scroll for dopamine
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: hit after hit after hit after hit. Right, you just
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: you get rid of all of those artificial sources of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: dopamine and you leave the only source, the only cortisol
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: relief in your life is your sexual partner who you've
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: you know, lawily wedded to and you're not. You know
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: that your community is gonna excommunicate you if you go
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: anywhere else. Yeah, you're gonna that's gonna be a lot
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: stronger bond just simply because there's nothing competing with it.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: And it's gonna be so for men and women. Right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: So that's another thing. All of the dopamine hits that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: are just just floating, free, floating from any kind of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: relationship in our society, that's gonna distort what women want.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: And then I wanted to go back to I think
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: that when they were talking about men, they were talking
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: about prime physical specimens or something. And yeah, I know
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: in the past there were actors but you know, we've
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: had this campaign of shaming men's desire, you know, the
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: beauty ideal for women possibly so women don't have to
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: be you know, they feel like they can they can
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: be you know, they can be horny, but the man
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be allowed to be.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: When women are horny, it's empowerment, Alison, when men are horny's.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you don't get it, but.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: But it creates an asymmetry because if you can say
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: that my desires are empowerment but men's desires are oppression,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: then you don't have like, there's no legitimate way to
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: just have a little bit of perspective taking you see
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So your partner wants wants Cindia Crawford
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: or Cindy Crawford, right, and you you want what was big?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Then I don't know.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Cindy Crawford was big, She's not.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: She's would have been what you what? What do you?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: What do you want?
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Like some from what decade?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert Redford, I don't know that.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Dude from Yeah yeah, yeah, Johnny Depp.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll go with john I mean those guys.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Are those guys are still relevant, but yeah, Johnny Depp,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so you know, if you're if you're part if
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: your male partner have like a a Cindy Crawford poster.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's perspective taking. So you're like, okay, well
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: that you know, I you can sort of see that
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: he he wants something that he won't necessarily get, and
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: then you realize, well, you know, I want something that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: I can't get. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, but
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: now that you've shamed men for wanting a woman who
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: is like a supermodel or very attractive, the woman can
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: see what she wants and not have the perspective taking that. Yeah,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: the man is settling too in a way. You see
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, all right, so there's, uh, there's
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: that asymmetry. Perhaps somebody in the comments can clarify what
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm just putting it out there. But anyway,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: that's another distortion. There's a lack of perspective taking and anyway,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: so there's there's a lot of distortions happening with what
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: women supposedly want now and the question really is it
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: what they want? Or is it what they're told to want,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: and is it what's left over after feminism has pecked
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: at them or laid all its larvae in them like
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: bot flies.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, I got a couple more paid comments here,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to read through them. One is from
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Roboto one, two, three, four, five, six seven, again on
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Rumble because it's two dollars and says Brian Hollywood is
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: like that, but not the rest of the world. Thankfully,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Zach is talented, but not in fact at the moment.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: But that is the.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Difference between males and females in society. Well, yeah, I mean,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, most men in the world are not like that,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: but women, you'd be surprised at how they're influenced by,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: like I said, the environment around them in terms of
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: like what is trendy to like? And yeah, I do
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: think that it's got a lot to do with like
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: maybe you know how much they're exposed to or whatever.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I think that women can be paralyzed by choice and
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: when it looks like you have so much at your
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: like at your fingertips, especially with dating apps. So a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: woman gets on a dating app, okay, she'll get thousands
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: of matches, like guys dming her. And when men get
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: a dating app, they may not they may be very
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: lucky to get one, even if they swipe right on
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: every woman, because when men are doing it, they're just
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: playing a numbers game. They're just like trying to get
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: like any date and then they hope that it works
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: out if she's not like completely abhorrent to him. But
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: when with women, they have to be selective of which
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: ones they go on a date with because they get
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: so many requests. But I think that because of that,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: some of it goes to their head and they start
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: thinking that they're worth more, they're more valuable than they
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: actually are. They have like a distorted sense of their
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: self because there's so many men that are giving them
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: so much attention. And so that's why they can be
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: on there saying well, if you're like Zach Gala, I mean,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: women don't really want a guy that looks like Zach Galifanakis.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: They they wanted Zach Galafanakis. There's a difference like it,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Like you know, people will say, well, they'll name like
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: a famous guy that's not the best looking guy, and
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: they'll be like, well, that guy has a woman, well, yeah,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: because he's that guy. But if you look like that guy, like,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: you know, there are women who wanted to be with
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Steve Bushemi, but they didn't want to be with a
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: dude that just looks like Steve Bushemi.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: There's the difference.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: And this is where the delusion comes in, you know,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: and unfortunately it comes out because it's not just that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: they have these delusional ideas, it's that they're told by
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: other women who I think are trying to make them fail,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: that they deserve that. Oh yeah, you should, you deserve
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: that guy. You're a ten. Don't let anybody tell you different,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: no matter what they look like. They'll tell them that,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: and they'll go into the world thinking, well, yeah, I'm
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: a ten. I'm the shit. I don't have to do.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't have to bring anything, I don't have to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: have any money. I'll bring all my debt. I can
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: be fat, I can be you know, disease ridden, whatever,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: I can have all kinds of problems and not have
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: to work on any of them myself, because I just
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: deserve the best guy. And I was told by my
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: girlfriends that I do. And this random female influencer like
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Manifestel will tell them stuff like that, or you know
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Alex Cooper from the Call Her Daddy podcast, And maybe
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: they're just trying to say nice things, but I think
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: that they're actually trying to sabotage women, like they're trying
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: to sabotage each other through compliments, you know, like men,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: they they might try to sabotage each other by attacking
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: each other. Like I remember Hassan Piker was doing a
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: live stream and he said, I forget what it was about,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: but he basically was telling, oh, I know what it was.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: It was about that Pragmata video game, which is like
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: a dad simulator, and there were all these dudes that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: were like they saw it and it made them want
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: to be fathers. And Hassan was like, well, you guys
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: are all losers. You don't send a chance, you're old.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: And this is his own audience. He was attacking his
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: own audience as losers that don't have a chance, you
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: know of like finding a woman and starting a family
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: because they're bumbs or whatever. And that was his way
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: of discouraging them. That was his method of mate suppression, right,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: But when and that's bad, sure, I think it's shitty.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why those guys keep following him,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: but apparently they do. But on the flip side, you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: have the female version of it. It's a lot worse
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: because what they'll do is they say, oh, you can,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: you can totally get any man you want. You can
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: have that guy right there, you can. You should go
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: after only these guys and don't settle for anything less
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: no matter what, It doesn't matter if they mean, if
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: they come from a genuine place or not. They are
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: sabotaging those women. They're convincing those women they deserve something.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: They just are not in the same ballpark of of
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: getting right. It's not even the same sport. But yeah, go.
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  Speaker 3: Ahead, Okay, No, you're you're absolutely right. No, continue your thought.
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm interrupting and I'm being ridiculous.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: No, it's fine. I was just finishing up there. I'm
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: just saying that that's the way women attack other women's prospects,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: is they they they they love bomb them.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: They yas lights.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: It was yas lighting. That's what I used to call it.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Yas lighting. Is when they tell women, oh, yeah, you
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: you know, you're a queen. You deserve the best don't settle.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: And of course those women if they buy into that,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: they you know, they basically they end up in a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: car later on saying where all the good men at?
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: So okay, So what I want to say is this,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: first of all, what are we determining worth from?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Because the thing is that even well, the way that
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: we talk about worth people's worth like oh, you're you,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: you you're you're worth so much you or you deserve
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: this man, he's a six six six, right, and they
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: and you say you're worth that, and you shouldn't you
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: shouldn't settle for anything less. And the way that this
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: is determining worth is again in the meat market, right.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: And it just it seems to me that a mid
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: woman who actually has a husband who is also you know, average,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: will have more worth to that man than a I
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: don't know, a woman who well exactly the same, like
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: a mid woman who is some Chad's Thursday three thirty, right,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Like the idea that worth is determined by your number
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: in the in the meeting, like the meeting the meat market,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: it just seems like it's it's really minimizing the concept
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: of worth. You get what I'm saying, Brian yeah. And
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: it's also like it's like, you know, how do you
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: how do you put a number on someone falling in
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: love with you? Right, and you falling in love with
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: them and being in a relationship with them and loving
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: each other and having each other's backs, right, that there's
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: nothing in the meat market that compares to the worth
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: that a husband and wife have for each other who genuinely,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: you know, they genuinely have a connection, they genuinely have
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: a love for each other. Right, there's nothing, there's no
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: you're worth that, you're worth this in in that that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: just doesn't compare. It's like it's just and women don't
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: like when they say to each other you are a
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: perfect ten and you deserve chad Chadwick six six six
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: whatever they are actually denying the the greater worth that
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: she would get from a relationship with someone who will
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: love her is what I'm getting at. So when they say, well,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: you're worth Chadwick six sixty six, it's like, but they're
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: putting her in a very shallow idea of worth, right,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: and it's what what what what's getting to me is
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: just like I said that that idea of worth and
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: where women derive their worth like, so the the this
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: this paper as what women never get that sense that
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: they're loved ever. I mean, that's literally what the paper
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: are saying. Women don't need a sense of being loved.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: No women can exist without it. They never have to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: feel the commitment like a man making a commitment to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: being with them for the rest of his life. All
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: they don't is they don't need that. That's not a
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: that's not a good, that's it's worthless, right, Women don't
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: need that feeling, even though they're buying it for a
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: trillion dollars a year, like the feeling of falling in love,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: the feeling of being loved by a man. That's what
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: they're buying, right, And that this paper is treating this
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: as like some kind of Eh, you know, you don't
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: need that, ladies. You can just get screwed by Chadwick,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: you know, once a month when you're in your twenties,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: and maybe once every year when you're in your thirties,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: and then not at all your forties, and that'll be
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: your life. That's good enough for you. You don't need to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: be loved. Who wants to be loved, who wants to
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: be in a relationship, who wants to be married. Who
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: wants a man to commit to them? Not you. You're
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: strong and independent. You're fine with Chadwick's being Chadwick's three
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: thirty appointment out out by four fifteen. Make sure you
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: clean up after yourself, lady, right, I don't want to
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: smell you. Don't use my bathroom. Chadwick's rules for Linda
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: three thirty for mid Linda three thirty, like, that's that's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: her life. And then she looks at that life because
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: she's a strong and independent woman, and feminism tells you, Yeah,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: if you have a problem with that, you gotta suck
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: it up. Baby. You can't be emotionally reliant on a man.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: You have to be strong and independence. So don't expect anything.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: Don't expect to be loved, don't expect to be committed to.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: That's that's the talk of That's that slave mind, right,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: What is it? That's a master's talk in your head?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: That is that's the patriarch colonizing your mind. Lady. You
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: don't want that stuff. It's so hilarious, It's okay, that's fine, ladies.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: You don't want to be loved. You don't want to
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: ever experience having a man commit to you. You just
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: want to compulsively buy books that give it to you
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: for the rest of your life. Okay, and that's gonna
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: be worse, is it? All right? Go girl? Okay, let's
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: do a bit more. I actually have some thank yous.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Uh okay, I got super Child's, but go ahead do
• 1:29:50
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• 1:29:51
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• 1:29:54
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• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: when you put your don't your support through, I have
• 1:30:03
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• 1:30:10
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• 1:30:18
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• 1:30:21
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• 1:30:26
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• 1:30:27
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• 1:31:12
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• 1:31:15
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  Speaker 1: I got super Child, So Richard Pierre give us five
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  Speaker 1: and said, who remembers a movie titled thirteen going on
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  Speaker 1: thirty that star Jennifer Garner? Was that a contributing factor
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  Speaker 1: or was it just reflecting what was going on with women?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was just reflecting it. Yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, my mother told me
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  Speaker 1: not to stare into the sun, so once, when I
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  Speaker 1: was six, I did. At first, the brightness was overwhelming,
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  Speaker 1: but I had seen that before. I kept looking, forcing
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  Speaker 1: and for a moment I understood Pie nineteen ninety eight.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the movie Pie? I did not like that movie. Okay, so,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: uh that's it for the Superchows.
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  Speaker 2: Are we ready to keep going? Allison's distracted.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I got another rumble rant from Nova fan for a dollar,
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  Speaker 1: and he says, imagine how cucked women's liberation is when
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: both supporting the apprise of patriarchy and the Handmaid's Tale
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: has become the moderate position. Okay, thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, you're there? You ready? You're there?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I'm here, I'm here. Oh wait, yes, okay, yes,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: I'm just fighting with my mute button. Sorry I was.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: I just got a message from from Richard and says
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: that it's supposed to be one time. I can't change that. Richard,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta just cancel it. And I'm I'm gonna ask you,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: did you actually have to do something to create it recurring?
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: Because that should it shouldn't be a default. Anyway, I'll
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: deal with it. Let's uh, let's keep going.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, So should I like keep going through this like list?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Or do you want me to just get into the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: rest of the paper.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Let's go through it faster.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Let's just I'll read okay, but I can't if you
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: decide to go on another rent. I don't know what
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, okay, exposure.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: No, I already read that urban and urban anonymity and mobility,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: which leads to reduced reputational cost and which also the
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: consequence of which is less community enforcement of mating norms.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: So they're blaming this on urban anonymity. This this uh
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: the mating norms, which, by the way, they're against. Anyway,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: the people in the paper were saying that marriage is
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: like just like, oh what, how unfortunate that women have
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: to settle. So I don't see this as like them
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: doing anything other than saying this is good, that this
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: is happening, that there is less community is a good thing.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: So okay. Reduced stigma around non marital births leads to
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: lower social penalty, which then leads to short term mating
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: has fewer reputational costs for women. So all I'm seeing
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: here is a list of things that we need to
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: bring back. I'm just saying, maybe we do need some
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: stigma around non marital births. Maybe we need that fear
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: of divorce and distrust of men, which leads to pair
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: bond scene as risky investment, which then leads to short
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: term as safer experiment. So they admit this as an experiment.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Women are not afraid of divorce. Men are. They're not
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: like that's silly, but they do distrust men. I wonder
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: why where did that come from?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Nowhere?
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: High partner optimization psychology search rather than settle leads to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: abundance of perceived choice possibility of a better match. Yeah,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: this is what I was just talking about with all
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: the matches women get on dating apps, which then leads
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: to serial evaluative dating, failure to transition from dating to
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: pair bonding again, maybe something we should look into. Changing
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: individual individualistic cultural ethos leads to self actualization being more
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: important than familial obligation, which then leads to romantic fulfillment
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: required before reproduction. Oh god, yeah, so the individualistic ethos
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: is also part of the problem. You're just describing all
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: the problems. Basically, hyper competitive labor markets lead to higher
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: opportunity costs of child rearing. Then that delays the reproductive window,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: which then makes it shorter. Again. That's poor people have
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: lots of kids, so it's not money that's the issue.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Therapeutic culture self focus over compromise leads to relationship strains
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: reframed as self care priorities, which then leads to lower
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: tolerance for conflict, quicker diet, quicker dissolution, dissilusion with relationships,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: and repeat of short term cycles. Again, therapeutic culture is
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: feminist culture.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're getting like your advice from about
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: marriage and family from a feminist, then they're probably going
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: to tell you not to do it at all costs,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: which is like, why your relationships are strained, why you
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: fear or distrust men, why you have such an overly
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: inflated sense of self. Adolescents, Oh yeah, that's good. Thirteen
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  Speaker 1: going on thirty. Delata adolescents prolonged experimentation phase leads to
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: emerging adulthood extended, which leads to commitment deferred intentionally, and
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: then you have romantic idealism and narrative expectations leading to
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Hollywood slash media narratives elevated through relationship benchmarks. Remember when
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: I was talking about where women get their standards from,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: which len leads to good enough partners, rejected, disillusionment with
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: ordinary relationships. They're just describing all the problems that they've created,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: and they're acting like it's something that happened for no reason,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: like organic and lastly, growing gender political polarization, which leads
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: to distrust and ideological framing of the other sex.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: No, you're talking about men.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Men. Okay, men still love women even if they disagree
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: with them politically. That's you're saying. The sexes are fighting. No, no, no, no,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: women hate men right now, or at least they're starting
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: to hate men, and it's completely irrational, and men are
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: still willing to put up with them anyway, which then
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: leads to mating scene as ideological risk and reducing a
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: willingness to engage. So that's the list. It's all the
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: stuff that these people have supported, allowing to happen, and
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: then not really bemoaning but commenting on what they perceive
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: as completely not natural and organic outcomes for their meddling.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: It's like they're bragging about what they've done, but they're
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: doing it with charts. Okay, I've read the thing, Allison.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: You can talk now, Allison, are you there?
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  Speaker 3: You're fighting with the meuti I just no, I wasn't
• 1:40:45
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• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: with Richard. So I suspended the reoccurring donation or support.
• 1:40:54
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• 1:40:58
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• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: I think every fire is put out now except for
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: this one that we're we're reading about. Yeah, it's like
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: all this stuff that like, like literally what they could
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: say is all the shit we did stop women from
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: having kids? Yo, right, this is this like and none
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: of us is like maybe we should question these what
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: is it? Pressure changes? Like none of that Like we
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: can't be like, you know, huh, maybe we should instead
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: of just saying, Okay, well this is the reality. Now
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: we're screwed. Well, let's give women more money. Let's let's
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: let's just you know, we got the human race, says
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: arsenic poisoning. Let's just eat some more that surely that
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: will work. Hair of the dog, the bit, so all
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: of this stuff. Instead of looking at this and saying, hey,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: maybe something's gone wrong, right, maybe we should figure out
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: can we mitigate these problems? Can we can we look
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: at them see if there's something we can work arounds. No,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: we just have to accept them. Well, for one, one
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: big thing is if the human race is going to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: go extinct because taxes are taken from men given to
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: women or alternatively in terms of welfare, because they're not
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: coming from the fathers of the children, right, and they're
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: not coming from women. They are coming from men because
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: men are net tax payers. So if the human race
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: is going to go extinct because we give, we take
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: taxes from men and give them to women, why don't
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: we stop that. It's a possibility, isn't it. We could
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: stop that. We could stop doing that. Yeah, and if
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: the human race is going to go And one other
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: thing that that actually prevents women from having children is
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: having it. And this is going to sound like it's
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: a condemnation of men, but bear with me, is having
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: an involved father. So if a father is involved, a
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: woman is more likely to have more children if the
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: father is involved in raising the child, not actual chores,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: raising his kid, so you know, taking him out, playing
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: baseball with him, you know, bringing him on a fishing trip,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: whatever else. Helping her with her homework, whatever it is.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: The woman sees that more likely to have more kids.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: You know how you get more father involvement, shared custody.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: So there's another way to change things in a positive direction, right, Yeah,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: and then the big, the big one is of course
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: the metal girl scouts. Right, go take the daughters and
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: put them through something arduous to activate their I know
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: this is gonna be totally controversial. Probably will never do it.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: We'll we'll just let our entire society collapse and men
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: can watch their daughters sell their asses for a cheese
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: wheel instead. But this, this would probably do a lot.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: Figure out how we get cross v one a cross
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: activation and women in a palatable way. Right, do that,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: and then you will see women will on their own
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: want to pair bond because they will have more of
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: the of the male apparatus like men want a woman
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: in in a certain amount of That is because they
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: come already equipped with the vast oppressing right, the target, lock,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: the specificity, and women need a little bit more oomph
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: to get them into the same position. Well, let's give
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: that to them. Could do that too, I mean this
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: did the paper the authors of the paper, do you
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: talk about endo chronology. I'm just not sure they're ready
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: to take it where it needs to go. The metal
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: Girl scouts there you go, and uh yeah, so like
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: but but again they just list this stuff and they're like, well,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: there's nothing we could do.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, they're just like, well, it looks like
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: we gotta just we we need like to redistribute wealth
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: to women now because look at look at look at
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: what's look at what's happened, all like completely unforeseen, completely
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: from nowhere. Oh well, I guess I guess we're just gonna,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: you know, turn this country into a socialist hellhole. Now,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, do you want women to be upset
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: even though it's not really gonna serve anyone? But yeah,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they're gonna be upset regardless, honestly.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: I mean I think we just need to give up
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: making it so that women aren't upset, which seems like
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: the constant it. Yeah, Like, okay, so let's you finished
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: the table, Let's continue the final.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: All right, So well there's more. This is kind of
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: a long article, but I'll read the next paragraph. And
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: our genes, however, are unaware that we have invented reliable
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: birth control. So they're they're saying, Okay, this is also
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: kind of funny. We just went through a whole list
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: of conditions that have nothing to do with biology that
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: they have created, like or or or we're sort of like,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, social things like like dating apps existing.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know that those exist a specifically to like
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: sabotage relationships. But these are not genetic things like most
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: of this stuff, like how is the genes responsible for
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: generous state welfare, safety nets and daycare centers? How is
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: genes responsible for reliable contraception and legalized abortion. How are
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: genes responsible for the exposure to high male, high value
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: male imagery and media and through influencers. How are genes
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: responsible for the distrust of men and the growing gender
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: political polarization. How are genes responsible for therapeutic culture. These
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: are all the things that have affected women, and they're saying, well,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: it's just our genes, guys, Our genetics did that when
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: women serially date and have sex with the highest value men.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Gene replication is rarely the outcome. With the invention of
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: the pill. We may have checkmated our genes, but potentially
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: also our future survival alas, evolution seems to have programmed
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: into us a more immediate and perhaps also stronger desire
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: for sex than babies, which is which was adaptive, but
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: only until modern contraceptives empowered us to reap the rewards
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: of love and copulation without having to incur the costs
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: of pregnancy and child bearing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, can I point out the obvious right? Okay, contraception
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: right means that women don't have to have children and
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: they're not having them, right, and that means that they
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: can have sex with men who I'm gonna be honest,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: if these women are not having babies with these men,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: are these men really? Are they really the top of
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: the totem pole? Like, think about it. This entire schema
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: that we've constructed is not producing a lot of babies.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: Like Yah, when chimps go out and do the chimp thing,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: they produce a lot of chimp babies, right when they
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: do the promiscuous thing, when they when and it's actually
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: not it's a little bit too simplistic to say that
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: the female chimps only mate with the alpha male. It's
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: more like the alpha coalition. But also there's some other
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: male chimps on the side that engage in some courtship
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: behaviors and get some copulations that way, you know. And
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: also the coalition that monopolizes most of the matings rotates.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Like a chimp that's on the top of his game
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: one year may no longer be mating the next year.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: So it's it's a very different system than our own.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: It does not resemble our system at all. Okay, And
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: here's the other thing. The chimp females are successfully breeding
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: in that system. Human females are not successfully breeding in
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: this system. And that is because these women are choosing
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: these so called a genetic these high genetically fit specimens
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: of men, supposedly, and they're not having their babies. Have
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: you did you notice that, Brian m m.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: Freedom, freedom from they're just having sex with them, freedom
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: from consequence has led women to have sex with men
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: they would otherwise never have bred with. I want people
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: to sit with that. I want because that doesn't that
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: isn't actually indicating that the men are on the top
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: of the genetic ladder. It actually sort of indicates that
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: men are are Sorry, women are scraping the bottom of
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: a barrel. And what they're what they're actually getting is
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: not the ones that they think are genetically fit. They're
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: getting ones who they just think fuck good, they're good entertainment, right,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: They're they're they're men that they would never have children with.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: And in fact, I remember there was this pro life
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: conservatives created this ad in which they showed a man
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: who was attractive and he was talking in a very
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: coarse way about his sexual conquests, and and they said
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: something like, oh, ladies, do you want to get pregnant
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: by this dude? And some woman in and it was
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: an anti abortion ad. I'm probably not doing it justice,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: but a woman in the comments was like, you created
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: a pro abortion ad because why would I ever want
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: this man's babies? Like and and the conservatives were like,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: we were being used and and you're you're you're big hoodwinked.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: And in a way, she is. But you got to
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: just engage with the fact that she wants to fuck him,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: she doesn't want to have anything really to do with him,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: she doesn't want his children. And that's what's happening here.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: These women are going to these men not because they
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: think they're genetically fit, but because they find them entertaining.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: They're never gonna have their kids, which is why single
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: women don't have children. Do you fuck good? They're not
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: gonna have a kid with them, right. They're not going
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: to these men because they want their babies, not even
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: on an unconscious level. Right, They're going to them because
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: they're entertaining, because they're women today are completely dysregulated in
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: terms of what they desire. If this was actually a
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: symptom in which they were finally getting what they want,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: they'd be having babies like mad right, you'd hate every
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: woman would be a single mom with Chadwick number five, six, seven,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: eight nine. That's not what's happening. That's what happens with chimps. Right, guys,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: you gotta understand that when chimps breed promiscuously, they are breeding.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: When human beings do it, they have nothing because we
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: are not promiscuous breeders. How much do we have to
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: bang our heads against this before we recognize it. If
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: we were promiscuous breeders, all of these single women who
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: are having, you know, Chadwick's three point thirty appointment, would
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: have Chadwick's baby, and they don't because they do not
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: consider Chadwick, even with welfare, even with their own jobs
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: and their own resources, and supposedly the ability to take
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: care of their babies just like a female chimp. Right,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: they still don't want to have children with the men
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: they're having sex with, and giving them more stuff isn't
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: going to change that, because this is absolutely disregulated behavior.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: It is not behavior that makes any sense on an eleven,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: on an evolutionary level, or at endocrine level. It is
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: simply the behavior of women who have mistaken entertainment for
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: a lifestyle. I guess right, And we're not gonna get
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: anywhere with this. And again, if you say that the
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: women that the men that women have sex with for
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: entertainment are the men they will breed with, you're wrong.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: And they're also somehow genetically superior. Well again, then babies
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: would be resulting, but they're not. The exact opposite is resulting.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: These women are having sex with these men, and if
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: they're not on birth control, they're aborting the results. Hey,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: that's not the behavior of a female mammal. That's finally discovered.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: They're true mating arrangement. It's the behavior of a female
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: animal in severe distress. Honestly, But of course she's strong
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: and independent, so she really loves the entertainment, right. She
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: never she don't need no love, she never needs to
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: be loved, but she never needs commitment. She just needs
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: to be entertained, right, that's what she wants with her life.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: Like if this was the behavior of any other female
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: mammal on the planet, the zoologists would be saying, she
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: did this, this animal is really under a lot of
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: some kind of stress, Like she's really not This is
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: not this is not a good thing. This is not
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: the symptom of a happy creature. Female female mammal not
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: breeding generally find numeral uno that something is seriously wrong
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: with her environment or whatever input that's happening. I don't know,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: maybe she's too close to too close to the freeway
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: or something. Something is wrong. But somehow we look at
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: this in human women and we're like, yeah, they're perfectly happy.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: I says, this is this is this makes perfect sense,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: Like this this is something we need to continue. Let's
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: keep doing this. I mean even on that on just
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: if you just set aside the situation for men, which
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: is not not great, But in any other situation, if
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: you saw a female mammal refusing to have reproduce, you
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: would conclude that something is wrong. You know, there will
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: always be women who aren't interest especially in Northern Europeans,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: we tend to do the the the chastity thing more
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: like we monks, nuns that thing. But for the most part,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: if your population of females, female mammals is not having cubs,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: there's something wrong. And it's not too much happiness, it's
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: not too much contentment, it's not too much of what
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: they need. It is not a surplus of empowerment. Okay,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: I'll just put an that out there.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's see how it's almost been two hours. How
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: much more do you want to do?
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: Do you want to try? Well? I guess the section
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: is a bit long. There's like a couple more paragraphs
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: to the section.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could go for that.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I will shut up.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: I know you won't, but that's okay. If I have
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: hypothesis holds dating apps should not be emphasized as a
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: mismatch the culprit that contributes to ultra low fertility. Throughout
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: human history, the inclusive nature of men's short term mate
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: preferences generally provided women access to uncommitted sex, while women's
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: discriminatory short term preferences favored the most attractive men. Dating
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: apps just amplify these ancient dynamics. Instead, the key mismatches
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: modern contraceptives. So they're saying it's not dating apps that
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: are that should be emphasized, but its contraceptives today. The
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: emotions programmed into women respond to an exceptionally resourced, rich
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: environment that is uniquely empowering for women, so much so
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: that solo parenting could be preferred option for their genes.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: But in terms of reproduction, birth control renders short term
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: strategies ineffective, and most women lack the economic and social
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: resources that would make them consciously choose to reproduce without
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: a partner. Put differently, men as a group no longer
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: provide enough value to free women for modern societies to
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: sustain replacement level fertility through pair bonding alone. These what yeah, yeah,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: they're again, everything that exists is just there, it's in
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: the back, and yeah, we just don't yeah, we just
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: don't need to care.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: Well And also, okay, welfare proves at least did for
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: a couple generations, that women will breed based on the
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: resources that they get a certain small percentage of them. Well, right,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: so that's wrong. But the other thing is that it
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: is not modern contraceptives, right, because again, if it was
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: modern contraceptives, married women would have the same birth rates
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: as single women, and they don't. Right, Our birth rate
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: isn't completely in the toilet because married women are still
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: having the same amount of children as they did in
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: the nineties. It hasn't moved for three decades. The problem
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: is we have far fewer married women now than we
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: have ever had, and if it was contraceptives, then we
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: would see the same collapse in fertility in married women
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: as we do in single women, but we don't. Literally,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: the problem is that for women and probably men too,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: but on a much more mechanistic like a you know,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: causal way, a pair bond has to be in place
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: before they start to reproduce. So a pair bond is
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: a necessary input for women to become reproductive. Essentially, that's
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: what it's looking like, judging from the difference in fertility
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: between married and unmarried women. Right. That holds everything else constant.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: It holds modern society constant. It in many ways holds
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: education constant. It holds because married educated women actually do
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: get married more. It holds contraceptive constant. It holds abortion
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: access constant, it holds access to dating apps, constant, everything,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: and yet the one true variable is whether or not
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: a woman has formed a parabond with a man. If
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: she has formed a parabond with a man, she has children.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: If she has not formed a para bond with a man,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: she does not have children. Full stop. So everything narrows
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: down to that one initial input. What is stopping women
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: from choosing men? Okay, that's it. You're getting women choosing
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: men again, and you will have children again. That's it, right,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: And whatever they're saying, they're saying, well, women are not
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: choosing men, so let's give them more reason not to
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: choose men, and that'll work. It won't. Like this is
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: really shallow thinking because they are obviously looking at the
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: things that have not worked and have They're literally looking
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: at the thing that created the problem and saying, let's
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: do more of it. Surely that will solve things. Yeah,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like we're falling off a cliff and
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: we're on like a sub cliff, you know, like a
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: little ledge, and these people are like, you know, what
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: we need to do, we need to fall further. Yeah.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna help us. I don't think
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: that's gonna prevent us from hitting the bottom. In fact,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: I think that's gonna make us hit the bottom faster
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: if I understand gravity correctly, Like this is their solution.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: We haven't fallen far enough. Surely if we fall all
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: the way to the bottom, that will mean that we
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: have climbed back to the top. Yeah, yeah, sure that's that.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: That'll work. But don't don't don't pay attention to physics,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: because what we've done is a good thing, and that
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: means that we can't be falling because you know, Brian,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: when you do a good thing, bad things don't happen.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: So if we just walk off this ledge and that
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: that's the good thing, and the good thing only creates
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: good things, so we won't fall to our deaths. We'll
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: actually levitate up to the top of the cliff. Let's
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: do it. Perfect logic.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: Does it feel sometimes like you're just in a world
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: of retards?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: Sometimes? All right? Yeah? Final paragraphy okay, Yeah, today empowering
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: for women.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: Did I read that already?
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? These mating dynamics comprise what we term the female
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: choice fertility paradox, when women are free to choose their
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: own partners because apparently they weren't free in the past,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: but men were while also having economic independence and effective
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: contraceptives That revolved mating phsychology motivates strategies that undermine pair
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: bonding and thus sustainable fertility at the national level. Consequently,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: mostly so, like what you're saying is liberating women cause
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of problems, but we can't undo that, so
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: we just got to move forward. Consequently, mostly all gender
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: equal nations have entered the post pair bonding fertility trap,
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: which impedes the formation of sufficient stable pair bonds to
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: ensure their populations's future survival. Although these claims remain provisional
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: and require further empirical testing, they suggest a coherent, evolutionary
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: way of understanding how contemporary mating market conditions may matter
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: for low fertility. This perspective complements more familiar demographic explanations
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: by focusing on processes upstream of childbearing. Subsequent articles will
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: elaborate the framework by isolating its component mechanisms, clarifying their interaction,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: formalizing their structure, and developing more precise predictions.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so they've even said it, they can even set
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: it it's the post pair bonding fertility chap. Okay, you know,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: I really question how they use the term empowerment. I
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: don't think that this is empowerment of women at all.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: If it was, they would be having children like literally.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: Well, if you can give women power and they I
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: guess you could say that's empowering them. But the only
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: thing that they're gonna that they seem to be doing
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: with it is just serving themselves in the short if
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: they can even do that, I'm sorry, go.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: Ahead, yeah, okay, all right, So, first of all, I
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: don't know if this is empowerment. They like the term
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: a lot, but again, if patriarchy had been suppressing women
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: away from the natural way that they produce babies, when
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: the suppression stopped, we should have had a baby boom.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: Instead we had a complete collapse. So how is that empowerment?
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: Like they've said, okay, we've lifted the restraints off of
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: women's natural choices, and what's resulted isn't more babies but
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: the more abortions. Okay, how is that empowerment of women's choices?
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: If this was the way that women actually reproduce and
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: they were forced out of it by patriarchy, then again
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: we should be experiencing a baby boom or not. Therefore,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: this isn't the way that women choose to reproduce. Okay,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: this is this is why I feel like we're in
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: a world of retards. If women aren't reproducing in this landscape,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: then this isn't the landscape in which they want to reproduce,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: and making more of it isn't going to change it. Right,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: If you put your pandas in a cage where you
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: know it's electrified, and they're periodically sprayed with with water, right,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: and they don't breed, don't increase the voltage of the
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: floor and the amount of time that they get sprayed
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: with water, that's not going to make them breed more. Okay,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: So if we've determined that this landscape is not one
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: in which women breed, don't create more of it. Because
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: that's what these these authors are arguing. This is the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: landscape in which women don't breed. These are the reasons
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: why it's come about, let's make more of it. It's like, yeah,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 3: that's it's not going to create little pandas. That is,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: in fact the exact opposite of what you need to do.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: Why are you suggesting we do it because you obviously
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: we can look around and we can see the problem,
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 3: and we can see the conditions that created the problem.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: Why would we create more of the conditions that create
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: the problem. And right here you are saying exactly what
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: the problem is. It is a para bonding deficit. Women
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: are not forming paarabonds. Well, okay, there are things that
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 3: we could do to help that along. For starters, we
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: could stop allowing feminism to define men's worth or men
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: at all, because, because I'm going to be quite honest, again,
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: if I weren't a woman who if you tell me
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 3: not to do something, or if you tell me not
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: to think something, or in feminist case, if you insist
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: that I think something and then you say, if you
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: don't think this thing, will abuse you. I'm not the
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: kind of woman is like, okay, well yeah, I think
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: I'm going to submit to you now that in fact
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: does the exact opposite for me. So this is where
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: you this is like feminist, if you're listening to me,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: this is where you went wrong. You said I had
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: to think something, and then when I said no, you said, well,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: we're going to abuse you until you do think that thing,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: and then I said, well, fuck you, and now here
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: we are twenty six years later. Right, So if I
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: wasn't a woman like that, if I was more like
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: the average woman, and I'm not casting shade on the
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: average woman, the average man is sort of similar to
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: They just want to get by to good, you know.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: They don't want to have to question everything. They just
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: want to live their life float along the current. Right,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: And all my input, or the vast majority of my
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: input on what men are, what they do, and the
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: value they bring to a relationship was how feminists frame men.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: I would say no too, I'd be like, the rational
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: choice here is to completely avoid these creatures and to
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: say I choose the bear because I've spent my entire
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: life being told by feminists what men are. Right, so
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: maybe we should stop that. No, I talked about like
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: the the the pandas being sprayed in the face with
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: cold water, ice water periodically. Maybe we should stop doing
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: that to women, right, Maybe get rid of that thought
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: that that might help. I'm just spitballing here, but maybe
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: getting rid of women or sorry, feminists as authorities on
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: what men are, which is where their position right now? Guys,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: they are the authority on what men do and what
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: men are. Maybe just get rid of that and the
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: pandas might breed. Just get rid of the ice water
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: jetting into their face every five minutes. Maybe they'll feel
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: a little more comfortable to stop that, right, That could
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: be one thing we do.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: The words see if it works.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: Wild concept, Okay, I mean there's some other stuff that
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: we could do, might be a little bit more extreme,
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: like figure out how to activate that V one A
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: cross activate it. That might be a critical component. I
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: mean we already we already are doing it in one
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: in one one sort of social experiment, which is women
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: in naval warships and yeah, snapshot pregnancy rate sixteen guys
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: on naval warships. That's when they that is the last
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: time they allowed the public to know what's going on
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: in a naval warship. That's like a freedom of information
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: request from the Times from like twenty seventeen, after they
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: did this big push to get women to be like
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: twenty plus percent of the sailors on naval warships. They
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: have not released anything to the public about the pregnancy
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: rate since. And that was that rate doubled, I mean
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: since like the nineties so in the nineties it was
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: about ten percent or no, it was about seven to eight.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: And then they pushed. They'd had the big push to
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: go from like nine percent female sailors to twenty percent,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: which they did manage to get about eighteen percent, and
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: they doubled the pregnancy rate. That's not like a geometric fact.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: That means that when you had nine female sailors, for
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: every hundred sailors, about one of them would be pregnant.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: Now that you have eighteen, two of them are, so
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: the percentage has gone up. So we figured it out there.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if that's really what the US Navy
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: wanted to solve, but it has so, Yeah, we could
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: maybe look into that as an option. Mandatory conscription, guys.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: I know everybody's against it, but maybe we need it
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: for the future of the human race. Mandatory female conscription.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: Israel has it. Israel has it in Israel's birth rate
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: is like three per women. That's the other anomaly.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, like, I mean, honestly, like all Israel really has
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: to do is just wait for all the like people
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: don't realize this, but the Muslim nations are creating too.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: Uh Iran has a birth rate under I think one
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: point five or might be one point six, like all
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: of the Mud. Some nations they're not they're like suffering
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: this as well. Israel just keeps going up. They go down.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, Israel could just sit there breeding and eventually
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: they'll control the Middle East, not a shot fired. Might
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: be might be something they wanted. I want to consider.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's another thing to try. I think
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: the feminism is the big one though, really yeah, not sure.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how Andrew Dwarkin became the Czar of masculinity,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: But here we are reaping the benefits of that crazy
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: decision fifty years ago. All right, let's uh, I think
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: that we finished the final paragraph. So yeah, see if
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: there's any.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys, I gotta I gotta rumble rant while
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: you're doing that, but go ahead and say your thing.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: No, I'm going to find them, so I don't have
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: anything to say at the moment. Do your rumble it
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: it all right.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: Nova Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and said, uh, feminists,
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: we gave women freedom and empowerment, but it's not improving things.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Let's try more freedom for women. Let me see, Alison
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: just moved out of the thing. I think she timed
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: out or something. I got to move her back. Wait
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: she hung up. All right, I'll just keep reading. She'll
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: be back there. She is regular person. We also haven't
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: tried more patriarchy either, feminists angry NPC.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: But okay, can I just yeah go ahead?
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah there. Do you know what patriarchy is right now?
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: It's just basically allowing men to be desirable at all. Yeah,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: but it exists. But just allowing men to exist and
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: have any kind of something of worse to bring to
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: a relationship and recognizing it that men might have a
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: unique value in any capacity as a father, as a lover,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: as a husband, as a worker. That's patriarchy, just being like, yeah, men,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: men sort of bring their own thing. They got their
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: own like you know, they've got their own thing going on,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: and it's a good thing and we should encourage more
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, that's patriarchy. Apparently it's ridiculous. And again,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: like before we even go to all the extreme like
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: manisphere ideas, why don't we just shut up the feminists
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: like just be like why were you ever appointed the
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: grand arbiters of what masculinity is and what men are,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: Why did that happen? Like, just maybe just shut them
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: up and see if that improves things, okay, and also
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: improve the laws too, Like, I mean, yeah, it'd be
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: great to shut when feminists up and tell them, you know, no,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 3: you know nothing about what men are and or masculinity
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: is out. You know less than nothing. So shut up
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: and stop getting a pulpit to be telling everybody your ignorance,
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: spewing your ignorance over the world. Yeah, let's do that,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: And then let's address some of the laws, all right,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: shared custody, get rid of the asymmetrical laws around domestic
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: violence and sexual assault, that kind of thing. See, see
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: if that improves stuff. Actually recognize that men aren't uniquely
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: rape because that's another plank in the feminist campaign against men.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: Not uniquely sexually violent, not uniquely violent in terms of
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: domestic violence. I mean, really we should know that from
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: the pats coming out of lesbian relationships. But yeah, let's
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: just let's just get rid of that stuff too. Doesn't help, Okay,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: stop spraying spraying the panda in the face with ice
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: cold water. Maybe she'll start breeding again, you never know.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: All right, All right, Well that's it. That was the uh,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: think there's anything else. I'm just double check. Nope, nope, nope,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: that was the last super I think it was a
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: super chest scent earlier, like a while ago, half hour
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: more so from the thirteen thirty seven nut for one
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: nine nine or the lead nut. And they said, ah,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: dog getting sprayed. All right, thank you for that. Now
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: I've read them all.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, that's uh, that's probably where I got the
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: water from. My husband was torturing the dog with water
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: being sprayed in his face. I don't think he was
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: really torturing it though. I think I think the dog
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: enjoys it because it can run away from it, you know. Yes,
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: that's the thing I'm not I'm not sure. Like the
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: he's not leashed, so he's just in the backyard running
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: around being sprayed. And one would assume that if he
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: didn't like it, he'd run away from it, sort of
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: like women, you know. But uh, anyway, so that's uh,
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: that's that section. At least we've gone to the section done.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: Get yeah, yeah, yeah, we're getting individuals towards individualistic reproduction,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 4: which is really just give women more money to not
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: have babies.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize Canada was not doing too bad, like
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: compared to the rest to the west, Canadians are partnered
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: up more interesting something. Yeah it is, but we don't
• 2:19:34
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