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Charles McDonald on Dolphins Tanking Disaster, Vikings' Kyler Murray Gamble, NFL Replacement Refs? | 03.19 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe
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  Speaker 1: you are a hater. It is Charles Robinson on a Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: Did you do that on purpose?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I did.
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  Speaker 2: John McDonald from Yahoo Sport.
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  Speaker 3: It's got to be a thing now. I know. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I did it with such gusto that I
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  Speaker 2: was hoping that you would understand. But I saw a
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  Speaker 2: glimmer in your eye like, wait.
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  Speaker 3: A minute, this isn't real, is it? I'm about to
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  Speaker 3: fall for this again. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: This time it was an accident. The other times it
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  Speaker 2: was me. It was, I liked Charles Robinson, so it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a negative, right?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And like, I think, I feel like Charles.
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  Speaker 2: Charles is the one that goes, oh, that's the R &
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  Speaker 2: B fan. But I feel like Charles got some tendencies,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying, as I recall.
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  Speaker 3: He does. Old Texas Democrat, you know, so he's.
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  Speaker 1: Got some tendencies. Inexplicably living in Houston.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Not from Houston. Yeah, but he loves it. He
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  Speaker 3: loves it, yeah. You'd think he was from Houston.
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  Speaker 2: And that doesn't happen. Like Jeff Van Gundy is the ultimate. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you really just decided to stay because you love it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I didn't think that was coming.
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  Speaker 2: Good for you, man. Look, we got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: NFL to talk about. Also, history is about to repeat
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  Speaker 2: itself in the dumbest way. That's what they call a
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  Speaker 2: tease in the business, baby. But first, I got a
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  Speaker 2: question for you because the Dolphins traded Jalen Waddle, right?
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I have already forgotten who.
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  Speaker 1: They traded him to. Who did they trade him to?
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  Speaker 3: Denver Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. They traded him to Denver, okay?
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  Speaker 2: And it didn't even matter to me where they traded
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  Speaker 2: him because the big.
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  Speaker 1: Thing for me was.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, do y'all even got a quarterback? Like,
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  Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill is out of there. Jalen Waddell, you just
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  Speaker 2: traded him. And I was trying to figure out, like, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even remember who your quarterback is. And then
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  Speaker 2: Ryan reminded me....
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  Speaker 1: They had signed Malik Willis, right?
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  Speaker 2: Giving him like $ 30 million guaranteed. Malik Willis started with
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  Speaker 2: the Titans. He wound up going to Green Bay. He
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  Speaker 2: was Jordan Love's backup. The new coach in Miami, was
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  Speaker 2: it Halfley?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He came from Green Bay. So I'm assuming he has
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  Speaker 2: reason to think good things about Willis, or at the
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  Speaker 2: very least, he knows how to run the offense they have.
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  Speaker 2: But we all acknowledge, man, he's not very big and
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  Speaker 2: he is untested. He is certainly talented, right? But we
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  Speaker 2: still have questions about what he's going to do. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is some sort of metaphor
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  Speaker 2: about being black in America, but he thought he had
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  Speaker 2: his chance.
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  Speaker 1: And then they was like, yo, best receiver, what you
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  Speaker 1: need that for? Partner, show us.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like somebody in there decided out of nowhere, no, actually.
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  Speaker 1: He got to work twice as hard. Hell yeah. That's
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  Speaker 1: what they say, right? What are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, working twice as hard is like the
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  Speaker 3: idea that there is a chance of success here at all.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like, this is like the ultimate black experience
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  Speaker 3: because you think you got something, but you're holding it
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  Speaker 3: down for the next white man to come sit down
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  Speaker 3: in that chair. Because, okay. Because when I saw that
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  Speaker 3: they traded Waddle, I posted on Boost.com, I was like, yo, like,
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  Speaker 3: why did they sign Malik Willis just to eat all
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  Speaker 3: this dead caps? Like, because they had not just Tyreek,
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  Speaker 3: they had Jalen Waddell, obviously Tua is going to count
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  Speaker 3: for $ 67 million worth of dead cap this year. And
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  Speaker 3: I think when you put it all together, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be $ 175 million worth of dead cap, which means like, in.
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  Speaker 1: A league where- That's more than half the salary cap.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right. The salary cap is $ 313 million. So if
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  Speaker 3: you don't have access to $ 175 million, you basically, you
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  Speaker 3: can't feel the team, dog. Like you got Malik Willis
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  Speaker 3: and you got rookies. Okay. So, you know, someone responded,
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  Speaker 3: like Dolphins fans responded to me like, oh, well, we're
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  Speaker 3: trying to figure out if he's got the stuff to
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  Speaker 3: be like the next quarterback. How the hell are you
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  Speaker 3: going to figure this out? Like, look at who he's
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  Speaker 3: throwing to, dog. And I– because people ask me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think of the Malik Willis deal? I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 3: congrats to that brother. He is a lot better than
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  Speaker 3: he was in Tennessee. He turned all 35 of those
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  Speaker 3: passive attempts he had last year into some real wealth
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  Speaker 3: for the future. So congrats to him. And I doubt
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  Speaker 3: we'll see him start a game pass next year.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like his signing, again, the devil don't need
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  Speaker 2: no advocate. But if I were trying to argue that
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  Speaker 2: racism was over, this would have been.
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  Speaker 1: A data point.
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  Speaker 2: And then he got to Miami and they was like, nah, dog, counterpoint.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Catapult.
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  Speaker 3: What if we did it like this? And I think
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  Speaker 3: people are like, you got to remember, when you see
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  Speaker 3: the Malik Wills numbers on the deal, I think it
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  Speaker 3: came out to like, what? It was like, it went
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  Speaker 3: to like $ 25 and $ 30 million per year. Bro, that's
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  Speaker 3: just starter money nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: It's starter money. But you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Him even getting starter money is, I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: on one level a show of faith.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what? Maybe that's the bright side.
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  Speaker 2: They're showing an incredible level of faith in him because
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  Speaker 2: they believe he doesn't need anything.
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  Speaker 1: They're treating him like he's Patrick Mahomes, right? Like, hey, right.
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  Speaker 1: And that gets us back to the, maybe it is racism.
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  Speaker 2: But if you so, if it's so hard, how come
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes can do it?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I started thinking, you know, remember when, I
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  Speaker 3: think it was the first Trump run and there was
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  Speaker 3: this gif, like, or a video going around at one
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  Speaker 3: of his rallies where he was like, Look at him.
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  Speaker 3: Look at my African-American over there. And that's what this
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  Speaker 3: whole Dolphins season is going to be. Because if you're
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  Speaker 3: a Dolphins fan, like, look at that offensive roster. Who
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  Speaker 3: are you watching this for? If not just to see
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  Speaker 3: Malik Willis run around like, oh, he's got strong arms,
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  Speaker 3: run a 4'3. They hold my man H.M. hostage.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: They said they won't trade H.M. He's the one that's
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  Speaker 2: got to work. He's the one that's going to be
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  Speaker 2: out there.
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  Speaker 1: His nickname might as well be 8-Man Box.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, and you know he's got to be hurting because
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  Speaker 3: he's about to end the last year of his deal.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, y'all ate all this dead money for Tua,
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  Speaker 3: all this dead money for Waddle, the dead money for Tyreek.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get no dead cap love on.
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  Speaker 1: The new team. And here's the thing. They say they
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  Speaker 1: refuse to trade him, right?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they're waiting to do like a mid-season trade, but
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  Speaker 2: we all know the data indicates pretty clearly rushing yards
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  Speaker 2: is a function of offensive line more than anything else, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like a great running back can, it's not that a
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  Speaker 2: great running back doesn't matter, but the idea that our
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  Speaker 2: running back is untouchable and is HA-ing, Nah, nah, nah, man.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody want to give you a three, a two or
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  Speaker 1: three for that? Go ahead and make it happen. Y'all
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  Speaker 1: going to be sorry. Like we all know y'all going
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  Speaker 1: to be sorry. Y'all going to be sorry.
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  Speaker 3: And HN, he's one of those runners where there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of bad as much good as there is because
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be the guy that eats a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of TFLs and you're just kind of waiting and waiting
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  Speaker 3: and waiting and then he pops an 80-yard touchdown and
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  Speaker 3: you feel a little bit better about it. That's the
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  Speaker 3: whole offense this year, though. Like it's just all boom busts.
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  Speaker 3: There's no consistency here. So shout out to Malik for
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  Speaker 3: getting paid. That money's going to go a long way.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a pretty tough spot. And I just
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  Speaker 3: kind of don't understand. Why not just throw Skylar Thompson
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  Speaker 3: out there again if this is what your offense is
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  Speaker 3: going to be? This is nothing. It's legit nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of young man Malik Willis is,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe he'll give us some of those glorious K-Award
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  Speaker 2: press conferences.
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  Speaker 1: If we keep it at a buck, we ass.
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  Speaker 3: If that happens, he's been broken because Malik's one of
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  Speaker 3: those holier-than-thou types a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he went to Liberty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he went to Liberty, right? But I will say,
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  Speaker 3: he seems like an okay dude, but you still have
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  Speaker 3: the caveat. He did choose to go to Liberty after
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  Speaker 3: going to Auburn. But he seems like a good enough guy.
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  Speaker 3: If his faith is tested at all, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be this year because he got rewarded, but Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Man, his thing is going to be Brightside, Miami.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I imagine that no team needs to fear like
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  Speaker 2: an 0-3 start more than the Dolphins because what a
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  Speaker 2: great city to quit in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Like, if you've just decided that there ain't no point,
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  Speaker 2: that city's for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it could be worse. Like you could be,
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  Speaker 3: you could be in Phoenix where you've decided that you
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  Speaker 3: have no chance. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: That, that to me is, is, is like more inexplicable.
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  Speaker 2: They got rid of, I still think a starting caliber quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Dude.
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  Speaker 1: For nothing.
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  Speaker 3: For nothing.
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  Speaker 1: With no solution.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And, and I, I did, I feel like not
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  Speaker 3: enough people were talking about how crazy that was to just,
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  Speaker 3: to cut him. Bro, you're in, in your division. you
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  Speaker 3: have Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniel. Okay. You're already
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  Speaker 3: starting behind the eight ball, like really, really far behind
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  Speaker 3: the eight ball. You had something like, cause we see
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  Speaker 3: it at his best. Kyler, I know they haven't done it,
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  Speaker 3: but at his best Kyler, he's had multiple seasons where
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  Speaker 3: we're like halfway through the years. Like, is this the
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  Speaker 3: MVP of the year of league? Are, are there Cardinals
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  Speaker 3: about to go to the Superbowl? And I will say
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  Speaker 3: in 2024, his advanced metrics had him placed like a
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  Speaker 3: top 10 quarterback. So, When you look at the whole
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  Speaker 3: totality of his career, last year was an outlier in
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  Speaker 3: a negative way. So if you're just looking at everything
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  Speaker 3: added up, you should expect him to bounce back to
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  Speaker 3: a degree. I'm not saying he's going to go out
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  Speaker 3: there and have the the season that Dak Prescott did
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  Speaker 3: when when when he came back last year. But it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot better situation than the damn Arizona Cardinals. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like this, even if you don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: going to bounce back. You would think that this 30
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  Speaker 2: something million dollar cap hit would be an incentive for
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  Speaker 2: you to figure out how to work it out because
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  Speaker 2: he's not terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Like the system is built.
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  Speaker 2: The idea behind these contracts and these big cap numbers
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  Speaker 2: is to give the illusion of like the illusion that
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  Speaker 2: it's a guaranteed term of the deal. Like you can
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  Speaker 2: look at every contract and you can reasonably say, OK,
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  Speaker 2: this is when the deal starts.
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  Speaker 1: Is actually going to end, right?
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  Speaker 2: When the guaranteed money isn't there, the cap hit has
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  Speaker 2: gone down. Every time somebody says that there are no
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  Speaker 2: guaranteed contracts in the NFL, it's like, not.
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  Speaker 1: Really, but.
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  Speaker 2: there is a version. You get the upfront money. There
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  Speaker 2: are all these different things that come. But having that
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  Speaker 2: cap hit is supposed to be like, all right, man, well,
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  Speaker 2: I guess we're just going to work it out. It's
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  Speaker 2: the same way with buyouts, with coaches in college. Like,
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  Speaker 2: the idea is we're going to have this buyout, and
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  Speaker 2: we're just going to have to work this out. And
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  Speaker 2: then you see Brian Kelly, James Franklin, $ 50 million buyouts,
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  Speaker 2: and people are still canning them, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, no. This is supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: built for you to behave in a different way.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The fact that, and honestly, I will say, you
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  Speaker 3: kind of got me going on this maybe a month ago,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe it was a few weeks ago, when you
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  Speaker 3: talked about the NBA tanking and the idea that you
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  Speaker 3: would charge fans money to come see this. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: And not only that, but the idea in, if you
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  Speaker 3: want to just be like the cold, like the coldest
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  Speaker 3: capitalist you want about this, there's no incentive to actually
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  Speaker 3: go out there and field a winning team. If you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to, because every team gets the same revenue cut,
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  Speaker 3: whether you win 17 games, whether you win zero games.
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  Speaker 3: So you, you, there's no financial obligation for these guys
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  Speaker 3: to win outside of glory. And I think we'll see
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  Speaker 3: some shifts in that as a less and less football
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  Speaker 3: people on these teams and more, you know, finance and
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  Speaker 3: hedge fund people on these teams in the future. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: But the idea that, especially the Cardinals, man, you're in
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  Speaker 3: the NFC West. And what I've been asking is, does
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  Speaker 3: Michael Flora win a division game before he gets fired? Seriously,
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  Speaker 3: does he win a game in the division before he
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  Speaker 3: gets fired? Because you've got three legit Super Bowl champions,
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  Speaker 3: probably three of the five best head coaches in the league,
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  Speaker 3: and you're going to cut Kyler Murray so you can maybe...
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  Speaker 3: maybe get arch. And then maybe, maybe like two, three
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  Speaker 3: years after that, like maybe you're at a point where
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  Speaker 3: you can compete with the, the, the immediate threats in
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  Speaker 3: your division. Hell no, man. Like, like go compete now.
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  Speaker 3: That's why, you know, like the Raiders, at least they,
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  Speaker 3: they got lucky and got their hands in the number
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  Speaker 3: one overall pick. But even them like, shit, you still
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  Speaker 3: got Sean Payton and the chiefs and Jim and your division.
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  Speaker 3: The older I get, I cannot stand all the tanking
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  Speaker 3: and the quitting because y'all are getting paid regardless. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't mean the players. I mean the teams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's stay with Miami.
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  Speaker 2: We talk so bad about Tua, but he's still a
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  Speaker 2: starting NFL quarterback, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, he's never going to be great.
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  Speaker 2: I think that he has proven to be a disappointment
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  Speaker 2: to a degree. I think all of those things are fair.
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  Speaker 2: Look at all that money Miami ate just to get
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  Speaker 2: him out of there for a quarterback that we have
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  Speaker 2: no reason to assume is better than him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There it is. We've never seen that. He's like that
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  Speaker 3: much better than them. Man, the two is starting quarterback stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to test my faith this season.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of that, Charles on that narcotic.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: And now the Falcons, you know, you got, you got,
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  Speaker 2: you got the two lefties. You got Michael Pennix, whenever
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  Speaker 2: he comes back from his latest debilitating injury.
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  Speaker 1: And you got to a tongue of our law. You
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  Speaker 1: still on that dope.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, I want to say again, Tua,
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  Speaker 2: this will be Tua with some weapons around.
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  Speaker 3: Him, right? I know.
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  Speaker 1: Tua with Drake London, Tua with B. John, Tua with
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts.
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  Speaker 2: If everything is going right, when he put his foot
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  Speaker 2: down for the fifth time on that drop, he going
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  Speaker 2: to get the ball to where it need to go.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes. There are good things, right? I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: the worst idea they ever had.
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  Speaker 3: No. it's not the worst idea they ever had, but
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  Speaker 3: my question that I would posit to them is if
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  Speaker 3: the price is the same, why not just try and
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  Speaker 3: get Kyler? Cause I didn't really see anything about them
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  Speaker 3: being interested in Kyler Murray. Cause, cause you're like, you're
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  Speaker 3: kind of at a similar spot as the Vikings, you know, you've,
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  Speaker 3: you've got the, the supporting Catholic offense, at least two,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're not winning shit with that. But this
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  Speaker 3: is the thing with Atlanta. Like it's, it's, it's flashy,
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  Speaker 3: no substance. Uh, but it, it did remind me, uh,
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  Speaker 3: When I was at the Super Bowl this year, we
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  Speaker 3: interviewed Bijan Robson at the Yahoo set. And I was
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  Speaker 3: chatting with him after. Because I joked during the interview
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  Speaker 3: that I was a fan. He asked me afterwards. He
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  Speaker 3: was like, yo, you're really a fan? I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, bro, we're going to get this right. I promise.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, man, if there's one Falcon I don't need
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: an apology from, it's him. I need one from blank.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: And they probably won't get it together. Yeah. All of
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: us were still here except that a long time ago.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I need my Sunday stretch. I'm going to be mad
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: for three hours. I'm going to move on.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Dude, if Bijan played 20 years ago, he would be
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: everybody's favorite player.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: This is a man stuck in the wrong time period.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: That's the guy you want to pretend like you are
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: when you are outside. It is amazing to watch that
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: guy play football.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: He'd been out there with one-legged Kirk Cousins.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: He's been out there with, does Michael Penix have any legs?
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, one arm Michael Penix.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I don't really know. With a do-rag.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: A do-rag handed him the ball.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the do-rag stuff is interesting because I expected Mike's
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: hair to be in a lot worse spaced The first
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: time I saw it, I was like, bro, you got
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: your shit down to your eyebrows. Why are you wearing
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: this all the time?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: No, well, what he said was it got to be
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: a thing.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: People, and he was just fine. You'll never see me
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: without the do-rag then.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: And we might never see him again, either. No, no. Personally,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: if he's healthy, I would much rather see Penix play.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't seem like anyone has really broached the
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: idea that he would be the starting quarterback this season.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I know his injury was late, and this is his
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: third ACL tear in five years.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm assuming he's not going to play next year.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Right, but the fact that we're all just like, eh,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: all right, well, they did that, and we're done. It's like, really?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, they got Tua for a dollar.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, it was there. Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Tua... Can they start doing, I guess he was already
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: in Miami, so they don't need to. Can they do
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: a tour like they did with Kirk Cousins and start
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: making him wear all them chains and shit and try
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to act like he for the culture?
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: I hope not, because that was embarrassing.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: That was the saddest that was sad.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Bro I'm like do y'all know who this man's daddy
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: is like do y'all know like what he's about you
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: can google like there's there's Kirk Cousins commercials where he's
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: doing stuff for the fake Donald Trump like for car
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: dealerships in Minnesota this guy's not wearing chains he's laughing
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: at all this shit behind his back he's gonna go
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: give some money to Donald like I that shit was
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: so lame I really can't get over it still sometimes.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: It was tough by the way while I'm thinking about
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: it um You got any thoughts on the Ravens? And they, hey,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: we still got our receipt. Let me get that back.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I got a warranty. They knew they was getting an
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: open box special. And then they got, without touching the box,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: they looked deep in the box and they was like, ooh.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: i don't know about the price i mean they did
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: pay a lot for that muffler i'll give them that
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: like like especially for them to be getting it out
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the open box that was a really high price and
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: somebody was like.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: What are you fucking you better go about you better
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: go over there and talk to.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Him yeah like the way max calls it it was
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: what he said like five minutes after they agreed to
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: the the contract extension that that the deal was off
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and Look, I got to say, this one, I think,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: activated some of my previous inner scumbag tendencies. I was like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: what's the big deal, bro? It's not official until 4 p.m.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: And I thought about it like, that's wrong. Because there
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: was one person here, one entity here who actually got hurt,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and that was Max Crosby. Yeah. Because- Now you go
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: back to the Raiders, it's just simple negotiation. You're not
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: going to get the same deal that you were before.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I'm sure when they were shopping him after the Raiders reneged,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: they weren't getting the same offers that they were before.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: So everyone just goes back. But I did find the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: amount of crying by my colleagues in the media is
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: in favor of the Raiders, just be like, really? Y'all,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: y'all really like fired up about like the Raiders, like getting,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you know, it was, it was grimy. It was grimy,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: but it was so one-sided. It was so one-sided that
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I started thinking like, what, happens if Max plays, like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: six games this year?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Right. So that's the thing.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: What if there really was something in the– like, so, yes,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: they know that he had an injury. They know he's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: supposed to be back before training camp. But what if
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: there was something else, right?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, what if they got in there and were like, oh, hey,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't know– That was the thing, right?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: What I found funny, and Crosby's been on his podcast
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: talking about this, as he said, he was there for
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: five hours before mentor, the coach, or DaCosta, the GM,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: came and talked to him. And I am just imagining
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: those two.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: You tell them.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You tell them. You tell them.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, look. Hey, I got a meeting. Let me
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: know how it goes.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: They are all, does Max Crosby have any tattoos on
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: his face?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: If he doesn't, I can see it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if he doesn't, I can see it. You know
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? They're like, yo, man, you go talk
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to him, man. No, no, no, I ain't going to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I ain't going to do it. And so, yeah, it is,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: it was, it's not the end of the world. I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: think you are fair in terms of making that presentation.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It's not the end of the world.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: The question is whether the Ravens really needed to do
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: it because he and Trey Hendrickson, they're both whites.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: It's not even.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That they seem like the same player, but if you
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: tell somebody there's one good edge rusher and there's another
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: good edge rusher, I don't think the general public really
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: could delineate the two unless one of them is like
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically, the Ravens, they decided that the extra run
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: defense was not worth two first round picks. And honestly,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I thought that this trade was very risky for the Ravens.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Cause coming off of, you know, a meniscus, a meniscus
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: repair is not, it's not like some small thing, especially.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that was, that was what really did it
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: in for Derrick Rose.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, JJ McCarthy missed all last season. Like
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: they didn't even bother putting them out there after he
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: tore his meniscus.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: And, And it's not just, like, that Max plays defensive end.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: And he's, you know, he's going to be 30 next year. Like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: he's someone that has played over 90% of snaps in
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: over half of his games in the NFL. Yeah, because
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I was looking it up. Since he was drafted in 2019,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: he's played 12th most snaps of any defense player in
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: the NFL. The next highest, like, defensive lineman or edge
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: rusher is TJ Watt, like, close to 30.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: So.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of mileage. And I just found it
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: interesting that we couldn't pause and say, okay, this was
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: some dirty shit. Yes, it was not a good look
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: by the Ravens, clearly by the way that they handled
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: it when Max got there. They sent his ass to D.C.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And then drove him to Baltimore. Yo, that to me...
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: That was crazy.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So that's an underrated thing about NFL teams and free
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: agency and stuff is... That sort of thing, right? Like
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: people getting your flight reservations right, right? What class of ticket.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: They give you, so forth and so on.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And there are teams that are like the team that'll
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: put you, I'm using that as a direct example, but
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the team that'll put you on spirit.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: There are those teams.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And so one of the things I think that made
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the backlash against the move so strong is that people
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: have been looking for a reason to take the Baltimore Ravens,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: this organization that we all thought so highly about, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: apparently behind the scenes it's descended.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: More and more into an amateur hour.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And there were a lot of people in the league
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: who I think were happy to celebrate that and then
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: use media members to say that, and then everybody figured
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: out that the people who know were saying this sort
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of thing, and then it goes.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But flying somebody into D.C. rather than Baltimore, that feels
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: like amateur hour.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and as someone who's spent a lot of time
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: growing up near Baltimore, that's not a close drive. Depending
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: on the traffic, that could be a very far drive.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And BWI, it's an international airport, you know? It's probably
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: 15 minutes away from the Ravens stadium, maybe 20 minutes
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: from their practice facility. I don't know what happened there,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: but it really did seem like amateur hour. And the
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: piece that I guess I'm kind of stuck on as
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: far as how I feel towards this in relation to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Max is When did the Ravens know that they weren't
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: going to go through with this? Because if it's any
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: time other than the time frame in which he was at,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: or NBC headed to Baltimore in this time frame, that's grimy.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Because you didn't have to fly him out there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I think what probably happened was they decided before
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: he got on the plane, but there was somebody in
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the office that was still a holdout and was like, well, look,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: let's just get the MRI. And then we decide, right?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Hoping that it's not going to be like somebody else's MRI, right?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Like they're going to get in there and be like,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: oh man, it don't even look like he had no surgery, right?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Like that's what- That's kind of what it does.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is though. Because I was talking
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: to a friend of mine and he was like, okay,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: so what is this? Like, is Max done? Like, he
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: can't pass the physical? I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: He can't pass a two first round pick physical. Yes.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Third round pick?
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Well, that's where I was surprised. And I think I
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: said this when we talked about this with Danny Parkins
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: last week. I was surprised that the terms just didn't
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: change because this does happen. That somebody looked at the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: environment like, no, no, no, this ain't going to work.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So how about we make this a one and a three, right?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Or one and a two. No, they decided they wanted
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: out on the whole thing.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And if you believe what the story people are telling you,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Wasn't a story that they were going to try to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: give both Crosby and Trey Hendrickson.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Now that's a damn lie.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: As Dominique, as Dominique put it, the, the Ravens try
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to go to season two.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Why are we going to the dots, baby? We go
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: into the docs.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: See, see my, and I know, I know like I, I,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: my brain's not wired. Right. Cause my immediate thing was,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: why are the Ravens saying anything at all? Like, why
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: is Eric Costa going on TV? Talk about this shit. Like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I would say, man, Max Crosby technically was never a
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Baltimore Raven. He's never had a contract signed with our team.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not answering questions about this. I'm not allowed.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: We don't talk about other teams' players.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: We can't talk about other teams' players. They'll sit all
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: the time. And then guess what? There's so much shit
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: going on outside. People forget. By the end of the weekend,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: you don't have to say anything.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: It's a war going on outside. No man is safe.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And then there's people like, oh, you know, no one
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: was ever going to do Business Ravens again. Well, I
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: know that's not true because Trey Henderson just did. So
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: that makes it green.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: They called him and he was like, shit.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: My name's Paul and that's between y'all.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: He was like, y'all got that money though?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll take it. I'll take it. So when
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I was, I remember when I was little, there was a,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Very interesting how radio stations get kind of traffic in
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the early 90s. I want to say Luther Vandross was
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: coming to town in Houston to do a show. And
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: they was giving away tickets for Luther Vandross. If you
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: heard the song or whatever it was, you know, or
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I forget exactly what the gimmick was to get the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Luther Vandross tickets, but they weren't only giving away Luther
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Vandross tickets.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So anyway, somebody called up once.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And she had won the new DJ Quick tape.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I think it was way too funky. The one with
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Just Like Compton on it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Great. I've just listened to his albums the past few weeks.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: So she calls up and she's like, yo. And they're like, congratulations.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You just won a DJ Quick CD.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And she was like, okay. I was trying to win
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: these tickets. Because let's be honest. If you call in
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to win Luther Vandross tickets... You're not giving that up
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: for a DJ quick CD, right?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: No shot.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not the same exact rules. She hung up.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Couple songs playing on the radio. They come back. Somebody's like, yo, 97.9,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: what's your name? And he was like, yo, man, my
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: name is whatever. She don't want that DJ quick CD.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I want it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I want it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And so he.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Went and came up to the radio station and picked
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: up that DJ quick CD.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Trey Henderson was like, hey, let me get that DJ
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: quick CD.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And it's the same DJ Quick CD that she
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: was going to get. Yeah. And he's been looking for
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: a DJ Quick CD for about three years now. Yeah.
• 28:20
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• 28:24
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• 28:27
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• 28:29
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• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Me get that. Yeah.
• 28:34
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• 28:37
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  Speaker 2: gave his talented ass away or taken a $ 30- something million cap.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Hit to have him.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And so, like, You would think that maybe you need
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: to get like a Charlie Batch in that quarterback role
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: by Josh McCown, right? Somebody that people really like. It
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: can smooth things out. But the Vikings said, no, we'll
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: get Carson Wentz.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: They brought him back. They brought him back. Kyler Murray,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Carson Wentz, and J.J. McCarthy.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: That's the quarterback role.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Quarterback role. Yeah, because- I've seen people like, oh, will
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: someone trade for J.J. McCarthy? Hell no. No. Because this
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: is something that is not always fun to do, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: you have to be honest with yourself, I think, when
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: it's going on. Because Nate and I, we were labeled
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: state terrorists by Vikings fans last year because they finished 9-8.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Shout out to everything that wasn't J.J. McCarthy on that
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: team last year. To get to 9-8, they finished the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: season by beating your Detroit Lions in a game where
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: they had less than 10 passing yards. Yeah, I remember
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: that shit. That's a good team. I mean, sure, they
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: won 14 games the year before, and now we got
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: people saying stuff like... Kyler Murray's no Sam Darnold, which
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: is like, okay, I wouldn't say that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: We've talked about this. He was never down that bad.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Never, never. Because if he was, he wouldn't be in
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the NFL anymore.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Ever, ever.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: He'd be somewhere in Turner, that 4-6-3 double play.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Man, I have a conspiracy theory about that. The A's
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: definitely draft him so they wouldn't have to pay anybody
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: that year. That seems pretty clear now, how things have
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: gone there. But... It's the idea that you could go
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: back into this season with J.J. McCarthy as your starting quarterback. No,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: you can't. You absolutely could not. And it's not just
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: because he was bad. And he was bad, like historically bad.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: And I don't even mean that just from a numbers standpoint.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I mean from an operations standpoint where you're in the
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: first half of the season and they call a run
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: play and J.J. 's turning right and the whole other
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: team 10 players are turning left. You didn't play last year.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: All you had to do was read. And you still
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: don't know, like, the plays. Okay. That's a huge red
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: flag there. And then I knew it was over when
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: he had– do you remember his gritting escapade from last year?
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: When he scored a touchdown?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: They told him not to.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: And he said– he came out and he said, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: when I'm feeling myself– It made me want to gritty
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: more because they told me not to do it. And
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, I know exactly what kind of motherfucker
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: you are. And you're not going to be here next year.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you won't be around next year.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And they don't like you. Right. And when they got,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: they played Green Bay at Green Bay in back half
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: the season. And Micah Parsons, scary guy. But I don't
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: really see many quarterbacks play. And I can feel how
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: scared they are. Like I, you, we, we can't come
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: back from that. So sure. Is Kyler Murray, you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: the best quarterback in the league? No, but he's probably
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: about three times better than what you had for, for
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: a million dollars a year. And now this is a
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: spot where if things work out, boom, there's your quarterback
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: for the next four or five years. But sometimes, sometimes
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: like people need to look at it as in terms
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: of if your job was on the line, would you
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: sit there and say, we're going to try and fix
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: this J.J. McCarthy thing?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Because the answer is a big, fat hell no.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Well, let me ask this, though, because those Shanahan-McVay types
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: are very similar to Bill Walsh types.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: They just want you to run the system, do what
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I said.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray is not typically that type of quarterback, but
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: at the same time, he wasn't the only option that
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: was out there, and they still said, yeah, give me that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: How do you think that he and O'Connell work together?
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: If it's better than last year, I think that Kevin
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: will be feeling pretty good. And as long as one
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: of them is feeling pretty good, then you can kind
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: of mitigate that. Although, I do wonder sometimes if the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Kyler stuff has jumped the shark to a degree, only
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: because the gaming stuff really got out of hand, I thought,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: with the way that some of us were talking about it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: And I know that Look, when it's in your contract,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: it's obviously real to a degree, right? But, man, it
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: kind of felt like we started talking about this guy
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: as if he didn't care about football, which I just
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: vehemently don't think is accurate. Obviously, it didn't end well.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: But it also didn't end so bad that you need
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: to cut him for nothing.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: No, I just think people don't like him. I think
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: the gaming thing was an issue. But my thing was,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: but you kept him, right?
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: You did pay him the money. Yeah, you did pay
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: him the money.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: The reason I had a problem with the cause is
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: that all it did was embarrass everybody. And I don't
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: know if it made him stop playing video games, right?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: But in the end, how he gets there is how
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: he gets there.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But, okay.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I just... And they got Brian Flores up there, too.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: People don't like him either. Like, they just.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: It's a real Joe Friday justification up there in Minnesota.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: They're just like, man, just do your job, man. Don't
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: talk to me, man. Just do your job, man.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Right, exactly. But they all know if the three of
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: those guys, Kevin O'Connell, You know what? I'll throw Justin
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Jefferson in there, too, because Justin Jefferson, character-wise, he's about
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: as good as he gets in the NFL. He will
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: admit to you, last year was not his best season,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: on top of the J.J. McCarthy stuff. He did have
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: some very uncharacteristic drafts, but if those four guys get
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: together before the season and say, hey, look, Justin, we're
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: going to need your positivity to be the glue on
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: this sometimes, but we've got A lot of potential to
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: make a fuck ton of money here if we get
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: this season right. Because you're going to get Kevin Connell extension.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: You're going to get a Kyler Murray extension. Maybe B-Flow can...
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Maybe he gets the monkey off his back and gets
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: to go do something else. Justin Jefferson's happy. There's a
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: lot riding on this year. We're talking several hundred million
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: dollars worth of potential future money on the line. So
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I think that'll get them to... to you know just
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: behave a little bit and i also think like there's
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: you you don't want to watch your bad quarterback gritting
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: out there when you just ask.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Them not to you know so like just.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Don't be that and i think that that will be
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: a big improvement for them.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: You know they're like oh you want to dance like
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: one of them blacks huh okay guess we got guess
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: we gonna have to treat you like one They bailed
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: on him. They bailed on him like he was raising
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the fist during the National Anthem. And I've watched them
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: talk themselves into a lot of white boys, man.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of them. Hey, once again, The devil don't
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: need no advocate.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Right, exactly.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: There's one right there for you. Hey, I'm like, man,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: if you don't get this white boy out of my face, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Tell this little black ass to come on up here.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: We got a spot for him.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so now that I'm not on Twitter anymore, like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite things to do, like, to just
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: get my hater quench fulfilled is to go on Reddit
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: and just look at team fans, like, after... either a
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: weird win or a bad loss to just see how
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: they're responding. Just like tracking Vikings fans during the season,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: oh man, they don't get it, man. like they're not
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: watching these games like we're watching like yeah yeah I
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: am because I gotta pay rent so I promise you
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I'm watching these games dog uh they're not watching these
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: games they don't understand to oh man like you think
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: you see a little something more than JJ to the
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: end of the season like is JJ going to be
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: a starter next year? No, he's not going to be
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the starter. And you shouldn't want him to be the
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: starter either. You really want to see if you can
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: fix the reclamation project on this, or would you rather
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: just try something else? And I think more fans need
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: to think about that sometimes. You get so caught up.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: And like, oh, do I have the right QB? Well,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: we picked a quarterback, and it's going to feel bad
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: if we don't have the right quarterback, so I'm going
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: to feel like this is the right quarterback. But it's
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: a lot. Actually, if you just admit to yourself, no,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: this ain't good enough, let's try something else. Instead of
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: doing this for two.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Three years.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I just can't, like, I didn't watch enough to realize
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: that he was so bad that it was like, nah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Can't do it. Literally cannot do this again.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Like, that is the.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Like, I remember when that happened with E.J. Manuel, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: it was clear that he was throwing him hospital balls,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and like, my buddy Steve White, God rest his soul,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: he was like, man, they gotta get him out of
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: here before he gets somebody hurt.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Seriously. I mean, like, J.J. McCarthy, oh, man. I
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was about to say his numbers were... about on par
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: with Shador Sanders in my head, but no, he's about
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: twice as intense as QBR.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: You couldn't help it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: You couldn't help it. No, no, no, because during the season,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: like that was like my thing. I was like, bro,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: like you traded up in the first round to get
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: this quarterback who was playing as bad as, you know,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: a fifth round rookie. But no, his, his QBR was twice.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: That was twice. Nevermind.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, right fast, man.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, I want to talk
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to the people about this.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they know this is going on.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: There is currently a labor dispute between the National Football
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: League and the refs, referees, zebras, hall monitors, snitches. Anyway,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen before the season starts,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: but a report has emerged that the NFL is already
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: beginning to look into hiring replacement refs.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Scabs is what people call.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: And regardless of your feelings about organized labor and solidarity
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: within those fronts and so forth and so on, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: would assume that the leak about replacement referees came from
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the NFL as a tactic to try to get the
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: referees to bow down because they're like, yo, we'll just
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: go get another set of you. And Charles, I'm just
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: curious if... You remember the last time we had replacement referees,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: because I feel like anyone who remembers the last time
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: we had replacement referees would understand that there is no
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: hollow or threat that the NFL could send the referees
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: other than, well, we'll just go get replacement referees.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Because what was it, four.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Weeks that we had the replacement refs? I want to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: say it was in 2012. That we had those replacement refs. Oh,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: my God. Play the yackety sacks. That was a learning
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: lesson for everybody.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: If you think the refs are bad, that doesn't mean
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: they aren't better than every other option in those games.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sucked, man. Yeah. But here's where I've been thinking
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: about since you... Honestly, I didn't even know this until
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: we were talking about this before the show, but... So
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: the replacement ref thing was a disaster. How much of
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: it do you remember? Because I remember one play, you know?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I remember consistently that it was like, hey, we got
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: a problem here.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: But of course, the play we all remember. I always
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: talk about on.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: This show, like national television exposes everything. So for those
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: who don't remember, it was the Packers against the Seahawks.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: And I want to say.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: The Packers had thrown a Hail Mary into the end zone, right?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: It was ultimately called the Fail Mary.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: And it was one of those kind of sort of
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: simultaneous possession situations.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And so it was the, yeah, it was the Packers
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: that threw it in.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: It seemed very clearly after all was said and done
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: that the Packers had made the catch and that they
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: won the game. It was because Mike Silver, that picture
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: of Mike Silver talking to Aaron Rodgers on the field
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: after the game. So it seemed clear that that had happened.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: But the refs weren't sure because it was a simultaneous
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: possessive situation.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: So two refs start.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Running toward the plate and both of them are putting
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: their hands above their heads in order to make the signal.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: One of them, I think the one that was from
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: farther away, was going to come in and had his
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: hands going up to call a touchdown.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: But the other one who was closer was putting.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: His hands over his head to do the thing where
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you cross your hands so you begin to say it
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: was a touchback.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And the possession's going the other way.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: The dude that was going to call the touchdown saw
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the other dude cross his hands over his head, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: so touchdown man played follow the leader because he didn't
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: have no confidence in his call, and then he went
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and did it, and then a third ref came in,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: and he was all lost on what to do, and
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: then they huddled, and then they decided, okay, we'll just
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: call this an interception, and there were professional refs out there, but.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: The next game.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Cause it had to be fixed because it was so
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: embarrassing how bad the replacement reps were.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: No, they were bad. And I, like, I remember that play, like,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: and specifically the huddle up. Cause I was watching that,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: you know, cause, cause I was like 2012. So I was,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I was like 18, 19, man. I was like, I'm
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: watching that game with some friends and we've been there before.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: We're huddled up.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Hold on. My bad.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: It was my bad.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It was Russell Wilson.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: So Seattle scored.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I got it backwards. The one guy was coming.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: The one guy was coming in to make the right
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: call that it was a touchback.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: But the other ref did the, it looked like a sitcom.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Yes. Sitcom.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Like it looked like, it looked like Homer Simpson would
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: have been like, what if Homer was a referee?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And, and ultimately like, You're exhibiting the behavior of shitty 18,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: 19-year-old boys in that situation. Okay.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: We got caught. Yes, I did see you talking to her,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: but we're going to say this. We're going to run
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: a play to get her out of it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: The problem is We know that this happened because we
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: were still all watching these games. That's the problem. This
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: is how I know I'm still a little bit... I
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: still got sports sometimes weighing too heavy on my soul
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: because I functionally treat the referee unions. My first job
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: at Vox, I was there when the Vox union got started.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I've been at other workplaces where we started to start unions.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I believe in this stuff. But that ref union, I'd
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: be looking at like a police union, man. That's like, man.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: And I know that that's too far. It's obviously way
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: too far. But, man, it's just not stopping me from,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: you know, watching these games. And that's my moral cross
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: to bear. I'm still working on it. You know, it's funny.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, we still go watch them.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Of course, of course.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: But the refs are going to win again.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, they are.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: The refs have learned. All we got to do is
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: wait for these bums. Look, this is the thing about
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: levels of expansion of football. And what I mean by
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: expansion in this case is I'm using like the UFL
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is, or the XFL, whichever one of them, FL,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: all of them FLs. The issue that those leagues have
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: and why none of them will ever be any good
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: is there aren't enough good quarterbacks to go around for
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the NFL, let alone for those lower levels. Like there
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: are good enough players and maybe not offensive linemen, but
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: they're generally good enough players on those levels to put
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: together an entertaining football game because we see it in college.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: But there aren't enough good quarterbacks to make it work.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: And so the games always wind up being terrible. there
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: aren't enough good referees to go around in the NFL
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: as it stands. And you're going to break out a whole,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: like the whole B team all at once. And by
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the way, a B team that doesn't really practice to
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: be the B team. No, these cats just showed up.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: This shit is like one of them Keanu Reeves movies.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: They got, they got, they got real jobs, you know, like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: cause my, my girl, she, she's been watching football for
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: the first time for the past couple of years. And,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: you know, she started Googling like the referees, like when
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: she sees them on TV and she's like, all these
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: guys are like lawyers or like, you know, they have
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: like big businesses like outside of this referee job, which
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: also I think plays into why people don't really care
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: about this. Cause we know like, like, like seriously, next
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: time you're watching the NFL game and you see the referees,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: just Google their name. They all got some side, some side,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: the referee, it's a side business. The referee is the
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: side business, right? Like they got law firms, like investment firms,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: like big money stuff. So, you know, when you start
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: getting to like the labor relations where, These guys are
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: making a whole lot of money, and we see it
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: on the player side with the apathy. I mean, I
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: could do a whole podcast on that shit with J.C. Tretter.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: But we see it like when the money gets to
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: the point where it's kind of hard to actually hurt
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: people from taking their jobs away, they're willing to take
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: that risk and say, no, we'll wait you out and
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: give it a month. And we'll get to ref fewer
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: games and the product will be better by the end
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: of season and everybody will be happy. But the fact
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: that like we could do this again for the people
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: who weren't, you know, watching football or football conscious last
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: time this went around, you're in for a treat. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: it's going to be excruciating. But guess what? I'll see
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: you next Sunday too.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Staring down the people that beat you the last time
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: we did this.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Like you would think that they would understand. All right,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: hey man, hey man. We'll get it right. You know
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Let's just, let's just like, we know we got to
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: get this done. Nah man, they greedy asses just can't
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: help it. And they will, they will let this product suffer.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: so many ways over and over again.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Me and my man Rod have talked about this, that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: The NBA has to answer for everything it does or
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: does not do in the name of the quality of
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: the product.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Right. The NFL rarely, if ever, does.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And this is the clearest sign that you don't care
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: about the actual quality of the product.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Or another example that you don't care much about the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: safety of the players.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: No, seriously. And it kind of goes back to what
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: we were talking about at the start. Like, When there's
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: no financial incentive to behave properly, then why would we
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: rush on anything? And it's funny because last year, I
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: feel like I've been having deja vu this offseason because
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: last year when the NFL PA stuff was going on,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I was having a conversation with my colleagues. He's like,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: why does anyone care about this? I'm like, what? What
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: do you mean? Because, okay, yeah, at this point, the NFLPA,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: it basically exists just so the NFL doesn't get sued, right?
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: That's the only really functioning power has left. But it
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: can always get worse, dog. They were out here playing
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: preseason games for free. Training camp wasn't paid back in
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the day. You know, it can get so much worse.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: And if they didn't have that union or we didn't
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: have the referee union, I can promise you guys, this
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: would be a much worse.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Product every Sunday.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Much worse. And, and, and we're about to see this
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: capitulate to 18 games in a couple of years. Cause
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: we all know that that's where it's headed. Now that
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: JC Treader is back in it. I think we got
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: to think a little more critically and harder about like
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: what has actually happened to the sport in terms of
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: like the labor movement here, because like what's going on
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: with the players, man, that that's, that's kind of scary, man.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Like to see, These people, and my state's people, I
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: mean specifically like Lloyd Howell, J.C. Treader, they studied labor
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: relations and have gotten into the business of busting unions. J.C.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Treader has basically destroyed his own union. Lloyd Howell, in
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the past, part of the reason they hired him was because.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Now, that was the wild one.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Right. Because he wasn't a union guy. They hired him
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: because he was a businessman. They wanted one of those.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Specifically, an anti-union guy. And they went, oh, well, he can-
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Chained from the inside. Man, that's bullshit. So, you know,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: you definitely want these to be protected, but, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I got to work on myself and not look at
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: the referees as police units. They're just a step down.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if you saw this,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: and I'll just say this as we head out, that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals signed Trey Lance for a one-year deal worth
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: up to $ 6.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: 75 million.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Why are they signing quarterbacks?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Because, I'm just telling you, somebody's going to get ahold
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: of that Trey Lance and it's going to work. I
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: don't know who, I don't know when he did not
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: get it. He did not get a real opportunity to
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: He did. Like that's that, that's my, my stance on Trey.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Like y'all making fun of him. Like he broke his leg, man.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, he broke his leg and Kyle Shanahan for
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the second time, treated a quarterback like a running back.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I got him out here running power and stuff like this. Right.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Like, something something happened right um but we have not
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: we have not seen and if there's anybody that i
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: feel like you get somebody up to snuff jim harbaugh
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: seems to be sort of dude who could figure that
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: out and that's why it's somewhat amazing to me that
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: some of these moves the teams have made and not
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: one has made like a real trey lance push i
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: would look so anthony richards is gonna get another chance
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: too i don't know where they somebody's gonna get a
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: hold of them.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be in indianapolis this year.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: You and I are on the same page on that one.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Daniel Jones thing. Again, again, that's like
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: the Kyler thing. I was sitting there like, does no
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: one think this is ridiculous? And the fact you know
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: it's ridiculous because ain't nobody trying to sign him on
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: that transition tag. Any team could have. And the way
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: that it works is if he agreed to a deal,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: the team that signed him wouldn't even have to send
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: picks back. And nobody bid on that. So you negotiate
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: against yourself for Daniel Jones. And remember, not only did
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: he tear his Achilles last year, He was playing on
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: a broken leg, too.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's already had a torn ACL.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: And he's never been good, not even last year.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: See, that's Nate's point, which is also correct. You bet
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: on Daniel Jones to be good and healthy. Two things
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: he's notoriously never been. Like, what is this? I got
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: to say, Chris Ballard, Chris Ballard, he should hold seminars
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: whenever this GM run ends because He's on year 10.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: And how?
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: How?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Well, here's my thing.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: What did he say to keep his job after Jim died?
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Here's my thing. So Mrs. Gordon, you got.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Them clips of her on the sideline with the headset on,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: which is going to be cute until it's not.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I understand the argument, but that's that's meddlesome behavior. Right.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Like if you don't like the story, you don't like
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: the person. Let Jerry Jones be sitting up there in
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: the booth with the headphones on. Talk about I just
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: want to know what I just want to know. I
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: just want to know what's happening.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady was on the headset with Chip Kelly and
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: we were looking at that last. It's kind of strange. Yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: But, you know, it's somewhat accused. Yes.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: But I tell you, it is what you need to
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: be doing is sitting there next to Chris Ballard. That's
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: the person they need to feel like the eye in
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: the sky don't lie.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like Chris has probably ingratiated himself into the
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: family at this point. Because my very cynical take when
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Jim passed away was, oh, he's going to figure out
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: a way to keep his job. Man, I'm one of you. Like,
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: at this point, like, I've been here looking for this
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Andrew Luck successor for about 10 years now. I thought
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: we had something here. And they're letting him do it
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: one more time. Because also, I guess they're probably looking
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: at it like this. What the fuck else are we doing?
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: We traded two first round picks for Sauce Garner. So
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: I guess this is it, you know?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They did do that.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Because that's hopefully why they felt like they had to
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: pay Daniel Jones probably. Because they thought they had Daniel.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: They thought they had a quarterback. Because they had Daniel Jones, right?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And you're right.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: At some point, Anthony Richardson is over there being big, strong,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: and fast.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you're going to see him overthrowing Alec Pierce
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: again at some point this season. Shoot, I don't know.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe even week one. I don't know.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: But I will say this, though.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: After he came back from that de facto suspension, he
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't bad.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: No, he wasn't. He wasn't.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: They've given... I feel like they've given up on him
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: as a man.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that... I agree. I would agree with that assessment.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: And I do think it's interesting that you draft a
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: guy like Anthony Richardson and don't commit to the thing
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: you have to do, which is suck. You're going to suck.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: It's going to be tough for a while. I mean, dude,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Josh was bad for, what, like 20 games? Two years. Yeah,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: two years before it started getting going. And ultimately... No
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: one really remembers that outside people like me who say
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: there was reason enough to doubt that he would ever
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: be this.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I got to let go.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I've let it go because I love watching him play.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right, right.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I have had no problem with that part. The part
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: that I have trouble letting go of is I was
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: right when I was right.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Now, was I wrong? I was wrong to say he
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: was going to get everybody fired.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: But I was right to say, no, when I said
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: he was going to get everybody fired, I was wrong.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: But I was not wrong to say that he was
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: going to get everybody fired.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: It was just for different reasons.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: All the sides were there.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And all the evidence was there.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: And that team is fascinating because what they have signaled
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: is all of that, all of that was one man's fault.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: One person. Yes! Sean McDermott. That was all his fault.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: And you know it's not passing the sniff test because
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: we all watched that game.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, we all watched it.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't, to be fair, and this happens when
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: people get fired, and this is the way, I don't
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: know if.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: You've ever been fired before.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: But I got some stripes in the game, right? And
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: what people typically do when they get fired, and I
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: say they because I do not, is they personalize it
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: very much so, as though you are saying that.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I was what was wrong.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: And in reality, what you're saying normally is, we don't
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: want to fire you. For whatever the reason may be,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: we've decided that we don't.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Want you to be there.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: It does signal as though they're saying McDermott was the problem.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: But no, it really was McDermott was a problem. The
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: thing was, Brandon B. figured out how to get a
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: promotion out of it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And Joe Brady too. Right, which means that he definitely
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: told the world that McDermott was the problem.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Yes. And the world, Terry Pegula, that's the world that
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: matters in this scenario. But I thought one of the
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: funniest things about that escapade was, I think an underrated
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: piece of it was when Terry said the weird stuff
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: about Keon Coleman and how, oh, you know, that was
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: a coaching staff pick, like not a, you know, Brandon
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Bean pick. And then as soon as that press conference
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: is over, they announced that they had just interviewed Joe
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Brady for the head coaching job. Like you just trashed
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: the man that you just interviewed who you ended up
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: hiring to run the whole thing. I would love to know,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: like if I could get, if I, if I could
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: talk to two people right now, Honestly, about just football shit,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: I would love to get Sean McDermott and Mike Tomlin
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: to sit down and be like, how y'all feeling? How
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: are you? I know Mike's probably feeling pretty good, because
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine that that, I think that this is
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: probably going to be the first losing season in 20
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: years for the Pittsburgh Steelers. But Sean, like, Sean's going
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: to look at it like, dude, what did he do
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: so terribly here? Especially considering, as a defensive guy, like,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: the defense is not talented. as they got into the stretch,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: but they still played okay. And they were putting some
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: bad spots in that Denver game. That's Brandon Bean's job
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: to get those guys. This year, I think this off
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: season has been the year all these billionaire owners got swindled.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Because how are you going to tell me Brandon Bean
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: kept his job Andrew Barry kept his job in Cleveland.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: John Spitek kept his job in Las Vegas. All these
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: other guys got fired? All these coaches got fired and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: none of these GMs got fired? That's a culture problem, man.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that also means that all those GMs are next, right?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: As for Mike Tomlin, I need everybody to understand this
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: if they don't.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: None of those other two coaches that the Steelers had
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: in my lifetime went and coached anywhere ever again.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Tyler got his bread.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'll do television. Or maybe not. I bet he
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: made a lot more money coaching than Bill Cowher did.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. And also, if I'm like, I ain't
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: going back because I'm not risking getting a losing season.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I did 20 years.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: No losing seasons. Why would I risk that just to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: come back for what?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Don't tell nobody I said this, but.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: What if he cooked anyway?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: There are criticisms of him as a coach that we
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: do not make because we like him.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I literally just said to my boy yesterday, I'm like,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: I can be honest about the Steelers now.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: No, let me tell you something so that I would
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: love to hear an honest conversation about one guy over another.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine what Bill Belichick would have to say
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: about Mike Tomlin? given the way Bill Belichick would hand
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: his ass to him every single time.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: And Mike would be looking at him saying, wouldn't let
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: that happen to me, though.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: You're going to be a Duke coach?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: You think Mike Collins would be coaching a Duke? Yo, sir.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Yo, sir.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Not me.
• 1:02:32
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• 1:02:38
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• 1:02:38
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• 1:02:40
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