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SCOTUS upholds 1st Amendment rights of therapists in Colorado case · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:24
  Big big news out of the Supreme Court this week.
• 0:27
  We've been we've been watching this case out of Colorado, and the Supreme Court has come to a decision regarding conversion therapy.
• 0:38
  Colorado banned it, other states have banned it, and the Supreme Court this week said no, you cannot, you cannot ban this therapy because it is in violation, and any ban is in violation of the constitution of a therapist's right to free speech.
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  The first amendment, my friends, was on display here.
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  Really, what what's on display ultimately is the fight for the soul of the nation.
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  Now I know it it feels melodramatic when I say it that way.
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  It might even sound it, but it's not, it's not melodramatic.
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  We are in the fight for our very souls here.
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  And it's it's the quest for our souls that is that is the most important thing.
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  It is the most important element of education, is soul formation.
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  You know that we talk about it here all the time.
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  It's why around here we engage in a classical education because it's soul formation.
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  And the education has been under assault for decades, and therefore the soul of the nation has been under assault for decades.
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  And this week, the Supreme Court stood up for America.
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  This week the Supreme Court stood up for our very souls.
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  Yes, yes, I know, I know.
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  I just said it.
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  Sounds melodramatic, but it's not.
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  You know, a few years ago, somebody said to me, and I've talked about this here from time to time.
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  Somebody somebody thanked me for defending Western civilization, and in regard to the classical education that we are providing at Waterbrook.
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  And they just matter of fact, it was, you know, at the end of the conversation of thanks for defending Western civilization.
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  And I thought, wow, that that's dramatic.
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  But the more I contemplated, and the more I dwelt on it, and the more I thought about that statement, the more I thought about what we're doing here, not only at Waterbrook, but here in this program, the more I agreed with that sentiment that we are defending Western civilization.
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  Western civilization is under assault, and American values are under assault.
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  And the Supreme Court said, no, we're not doing this.
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  We're not going down this road.
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  You can't tell a therapist what they can and cannot say under the the guise of their own practice.
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  That is paramount to destroying their First Amendment rights.
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  And this is exactly what Colorado wanted to do.
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  It's what they attempted to do.
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  It's what other leftist states have joined in the Colorado fray here.
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  But not only did the Supreme Court say no, but they said no in an eight to one decision.
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  That is, I mean, we I think we all anticipated a six to three decision, but an eight to one decision.
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  So who is the one?
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  All right, let's uh let's I am open for uh I don't know, I don't want to call the Supreme Court roulette, but okay, let's play, let's play Supreme Court Roulette.
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  Who is the one justice who said no?
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  Okay, all right, we got your answer.
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  Okay, you all right, yeah.
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  And all right.
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  Okay, all four of you are correct, all four of you, all four of you nailed it.
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  Uh, it is uh Justice Brown Kintanji Jackson brought us.
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  How do you say her name?
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  I don't even know.
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  Justice Kintanji.
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  Oh no, I'm sorry, it's Brown Jackson.
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  Kintanji Brown Jackson, my fault.
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  But it's it's the you're right, it's the justice who doesn't know who she is because she doesn't know what a woman is.
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  It's it's that lady.
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  It's she said she said no.
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  Yeah, I know it.
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  I'm just I'm not surprised.
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  And I know you're not surprised either.
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  It's humorous.
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  We're gonna we're gonna get into some of her statements too, equally equally humorous.
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  So the decision was eight to one.
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  The uh eight of the justices, eight of the nine said a lower court failed to properly analyze whether the Colorado law violated the First Amendment.
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  They didn't analyze it properly, and this is from the court's majority opinion written by Gorsuch.
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  Neil Gorsuch came through in the clutch here.
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  Uh and I I think we're just we're shocked ultimately that um Sotomayor and uh Alana Kagan joined with the six conservatives here.
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  Um I'm completely blown away by that.
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  Didn't see it coming.
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  I'm proud of these two ladies.
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  I'm proud of them for standing up for the First Amendment.
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  We are not shocked, however, by Justice Jackson and her decision to uh promote buffoonery and anti-American values.
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  All right, so he here are some things that Gorsuch said in his opinion for the majority.
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  The Colorado law censors speech based on viewpoint, and Colorado may regard its policy as essential to public health and safety.
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  Certainly, censorous governments throughout history have believed the same.
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  But the First Amendment stands as a shield against any effort to enforce orthodoxy and thought or speech in this country.
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  So he's saying, look, you know, but Colorado may be acting in good faith here.
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  They may be of the opinion that their policy is essential to public health and public safety, but it's not.
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  It's a law censoring speech based upon one's viewpoint.
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  And then he called out censorous governments throughout history who believed that they were doing the same, that they were they were acting uh on on behalf of public health and public safety.
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  Um, but the first amendment shields against that.
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  Now, I don't I think Gorsuch is is maybe taking the high road here.
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  I personally can I just can I just give you my personal opinion.
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  I mean, it's my show, right?
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  I I'm allowed to give my opinion.
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  Uh again, I don't I don't have anything to base this opinion on other than just my gut.
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  I just want to put that out there.
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  This is just a gut reaction opinion.
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  I I don't believe that Colorado officials regard their policy as essential to public health and public state.
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  I don't believe that.
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  I believe they regard their policy to hammer a an anti-American ideology.
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  That that's what I believe.
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  And also, you know, Gorsuch taking the high ground talking about censorous governments throughout history that have probably believed the same, that they were acting uh essential to public health and public safety.
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  I I don't believe that.
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  I believe censorous governments are acting out of a preservation of their own power, a preservation of their own existence, and and I believe they're acting out of the the iron fist mentality to keep their populace down, to keep their citizens down, to maintain control, to maintain dominance.
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  That that's it's my opinion here, so I'm going to part ways with with the justice.
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  I'm gonna part ways with Gorsuch on his viewpoint of government leadership here.
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  I I just I just don't think he's he's accurate in that.
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  But that's that's just a sidebar.
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  That's just me.
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  That's just me being brilliant.
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  I mean, you know, in my own humble opinion.
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  Uh let's see, Gorsuch continues here.
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  He says it reflects instead a judgment that every American possesses and analienable right to think and speak freely, and a faith in the free marketplace of ideas as the best means for discovering truth.
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  So this is kind of in um, you know, because he's talking about the first amendment standing as a shield against any effort to enforce orthodoxy and thought or speech.
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  And so he's referring to the first amendment here, where he says it reflects instead of judgment that every American possesses and an
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  Alienable right to think and speak to speak freely, a God-given right to think freely and to speak freely, and a faith in the free marketplace of ideas as the best means for discovering truth.
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  So Colorado came along and they said, you know, conversion therapy isn't a thing.
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  Therapists can't try to talk gay people out of being gay in order to fix them.
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  Can't do that.
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  You got to let them be gay.
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  But Gorsuch says that Americans have this inalienable right to think freely and speak freely.
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  And to have faith in the free marketplace of ideas as the best means for discovering truth.
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  So what are you so worried about, leftists in Colorado?
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  Are you worried that young people will actually stop being gay?
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  Is that what you're upset about?
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  That because conversion therapy, you're afraid it's going to work.
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  And to uh I don't know.
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  Maybe step into the biological role that of creation that God intended for all of humanity.
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  Uh the soul dissenter here, of course.
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  You guessed it.
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  Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson.
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  The soul dissenter.
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  Are you ready?
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  Are you ready for some Jackson fun?
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  Are you ready for some some some Jackson input?
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  Oh man, here we go.
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  Jackson said the fallout from the new ruling could be catastrophic.
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  Hmm.
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  Catastrophic to your leftist liberal anti-American ideas.
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  Yes.
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  Yes, it will be catastrophic to your anti-Americanism.
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  Absolutely, 100%.
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  She said her colleagues failed to consider the potential long-term and disastrous implications of this ruling.
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  Long term.
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  And disastrous implications.
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  Well, yeah.
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  The hatred for American values.
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  This is going to be disastrous for them.
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  Your hatred, your your uh antitheticalness, your uh disparity.
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  I that's not a strong enough word.
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  I mean, I mean, hatred is probably as strong as I can get.
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  Your hatred for American values will there, this decision brings them long-term and disastrous implications.
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  Jackson said Colorado's law was based on the oh boy, here we go.
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  Are you ready?
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  Okay.
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  She said Colorado's law was based on the medical profession's broad consensus that this medical treatment, which seeks to change a gay or transgender person's sexual orientation or gender identity, is ineffective and harmful.
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  Uh the medical profession's broad consensus.
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  Harmful, uh, and effective.
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  I guess what's your and effective for whom?
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  Uh I guess we have to ask that question.
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  It's not an effective for the person being who's receiving the the therapy.
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  It's very effective for them to have their eyes opened up and to step into uh again biologically to step into the role that they were uh created to to step into, and that is to create.
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  We, my friends, were created, created to create to create human life.
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  I'm sorry, if you're gay, you you don't you don't have that opportunity.
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  It's not presented to you.
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  If you're just, I mean, two men they can't create, they can't create life.
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  Two women, you just can't do it.
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  It's impossible.
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  I know, I know maybe you know what I'm saying is not politically correct, but it's it's biologically correct.
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  We were designed to reproduce.
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  We were designed to create what about the people that can't have babies.
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  What about uh I get it, and I know there's there's people that can't.
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  So are you saying you're not stepping into the no?
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  I'm I'm not saying that at all.
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  I'm I'm I'm saying that that they're attempting, they're trying, and and uh in a lot of instances, you know, they're unsuccessful.
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  I know people, people that I'm close to that have been unsuccessful.
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  I understand that.
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  But but they're not choosing to abdicate that uh that desire to reproduce and and to multiply and to create.
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  We were we were we were created to create.
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  Uh and we have uh in this therapy, which allows people to step into that role.
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  It's not ineffective, and it's not harmful.
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  I mean, I guess it's ineffective to Justice Jackson's way of thinking, because her her anti-American hatred is being thwarted, and I guess it's harmful to her way of thinking, because her anti-American hatred's being being thwarted here and an eight-to-one decision.
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  So, yeah, it's harmful to her, it's ineffective to her, but to the populace and to those people who uh are undergoing this treatment.
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  No, it's it's it's not ineffective.
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  I'm sorry, Justice Jackson.
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  It's not harmful.
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  Uh, but she didn't stop there.
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  She said ultimately, because the majority plays with fire in this case, I fear that the people of this country will get burned.
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  Oh, Justice Jackson.
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  Oh, Justice Jackson who does not know what a woman is.
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  Oh, Justice Jackson who uh who has no capability and and actually defining a woman who being a woman herself, ironically, doesn't know how to define a woman uh says that the majority plays with fire.
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  And the people, I fear that the people of this country will get burnt.
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  Well, okay, fear on Justice Jackson, fear on okay.
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  I want to dive into the the uh the other details of this case because it's interesting, it's intriguing.
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  And then we had to get to Justice Jackson first because of the comedy that she provides, the the uh, you know, a merry heart doeth good like a medicine, right?
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  So we're talking about this groundbreaking decision that the Supreme Court has brought us.
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  We have said this court more times than not.
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  They are delivering home runs for us.
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  I mean, there are times that, you know, Coney Barrett and maybe Kavanaugh and sometimes Gorsuch, I mean, certainly regularly the chief, that, you know, they they leave us scratching our heads in bewilderment.
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  Sometimes they do.
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  But then there are other times that they just knock it out of the park.
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  And this is one of those times.
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  So this this case here that we're talking about, Chiles V Zalazar, Salazar, was brought by therapist Kaylee Chiles.
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  Chiles said that Colorado's law, which again banned conversion therapy.
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  Unconstitutionally infringed on her ability to help minors struggling with gender dysphoria and unwanted same-sex attraction.
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  Now this has been our I mean, my me personally.
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  This has been one of my what do I want to call it?
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  Hanging point.
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  I don't know.
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  One of the things that's so frustrating is because young people are confused.
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  Confusion is certainly a thing.
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  I mean, they're their minds aren't developed.
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  And they are inundated with so much stuff on social media.
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  And they're inundated with so many falsehoods from people in positions of trust.
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  People that are in positions that naturally others trust them because of their position.
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  Kind of that there's this ethos, there's this natural credibility that is given to, for example, a doctor and a white coat.
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  The white coat gives instant credibility.
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  Now it shouldn't, but it does.
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  It's the nature of it.
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  A school teacher offers instant credibility to that individual.
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  Again, it shouldn't, but it does.
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  Young people trust these individuals.
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  They trust doctors.
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  They trust men and women in the white coats.
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  They trust their school teachers.
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  They they trust the men and women that are in educational leadership.
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  These positions bring trust.
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  And many individuals in these positions have been leading young people astray.
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  They've been taking them further down this dark road of confusion.
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  And you've got therapists out there like Kaylee Chiles who are really trying to bring the bring these young people out of the confusion.
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  And offer them hope.
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  Give them a shining light.
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  And Colorado comes along and says, no, you you have to keep them in confusion.
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  You can't.
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  How dare you bring them out of confusion by by telling them the truth?
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  Now that's not what Colorado's saying, but that's what they're saying.
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  The can conversion therapy is helping these young people work through the confusion.
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  They're confused.
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  They're confused about who they are.
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  They're confused about their gender, their gender identity.
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  Now I'm not.
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  Again, I'm I'm not belittling the young people that are going through this confusion.
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  Far from it, not at all.
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  I am I'm angry at the adults who are promulgating the confusion, especially the adults who are standing in the way of other adults who want to help them through their confusion.
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  I mean, if someone's confused about where to go, and they don't know if they should you know, they're they're trying to get to the store, and they have to go to the up here to the light and make a right, and that'll get them to the store.
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  And but they're confused, they don't know which way to go, right or left.
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  Would you tell them to go to the light and go left and keep them lost?
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  No, you wouldn't.
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  You tell them you go to the light and you make a right, and you'll you'll you'll come to the store.
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  Uh, uh, you know, but you got to make the right at the light.
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  You make a left, you're gonna continue to be confused, wandering around lost, aimless.
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  Well, we we have therapists for a reason because they're supposed to help people through their confusion.
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  And and they're trying to help young people go to the light here.
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  Okay, if you're a female, you you're created a female, all right.
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  So make a right at the light and go to femininity.
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  I mean, if you're a male, well, well, then you know, make a left at the light and go to masculinity.
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  I mean, this is this is the point.
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  The left calls it conversion therapy because you're trying to convert them from what they're naturally are.
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  No, I'm I'm sorry.
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  We're not trying to convert conversion therapy isn't even a good name for it.
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  It's just therapy.
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  You know, confusion therapy would be a better way to describe it.
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  And those of us, again, those of us that are uh conservative in our way of thinking, conservative in our mentality, need to take the narrative back.
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  It's not conversion therapy, it's confusion therapy.
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  We're not converting them.
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  We are helping them through their confusion.
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  Uh I just, you know, but they they've got these names and these names stick because you know, they've got willing accomplices everywhere to help these names stick.
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  So Kaylee Childs comes along and she says, Colorado is infringing upon my constitutional rights and ability to help minors who are struggling with gender dysphoria and unwanted same-sex attraction.
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  Um of course, this therapy, you know, is deemed any emotional or physical therapy used to cure, quote unquote, or repair, quote unquote, a person's attraction to the same sex or their gender identity or or their expression.
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  When actuality, the definition is we're trying to help these young people through this very
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  Very confusing time in their life, uh, confusion that's being aided and abetted by certain people and authority, certain individuals and white lab coats and certain individuals in the classroom and the school building.
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  You know, if we if we look at the list here, I'm looking, this article is out of the epoch times, and they they state that in addition to the District of Columbia, there are 23 states in the union, almost half of the union that ban this type of therapy for minors.
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  Can you believe that?
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  23 states are infringing upon the constitutional rights of therapists, and saying, you can't, you can't talk these kids out of being confused.
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  How dare you?
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  How dare you thwart our efforts and confusing the next generation?
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  I mean, if that isn't the end game here, please someone tell me what is the end game.
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  It's a legitimate question.
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  If the end game is not to confuse a generation of Americans in regard to their identity, well, what is it?
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  You know, since uh Trump took office.
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  I don't have these numbers right in front of me.
• 31:28
  I've read them recently.
• 31:30
  So, you know, forgive me if I'm not spot on here.
• 31:33
  I'm I'm not gonna throw out a percentage.
• 31:35
  I'm just going to say that the number of people identifying as the opposite gender has decreased since Trump took office.
• 31:45
  Now, what does that tell you?
• 31:48
  It tells you that this isn't how do I want to say it?
• 31:55
  Let me put it together.
• 31:56
  So it basically says that this is a political issue, that a put a particular political party, those on the left, the Marxist wing, the Marxist faction, by the way, is very adamant about confusing people in terms of their gender, confusing young people, getting them to think they're one way when they're not.
• 32:18
  I don't know how else to explain it.
• 32:20
  Trump gets into office, he starts calling this business out, and all of a sudden, those that identify as the opposite gender, that that amount is those numbers are decreasing.
• 32:33
  Have people automatically seen the light?
• 32:36
  Or you know, is it that the political heat's been turned down?
• 32:40
  Uh, this particular law in Colorado allows officials to take away the licenses of healthcare professionals who have been deemed to have offered this type of therapy to minors.
• 32:58
  I mean, that is that is a huge penalty that you you're stripped of your ability to practice your profession.
• 33:06
  If you are trying to help somebody through their confusion, the punishment is you lose your license.
• 33:13
  You can't practice in Colorado.
• 33:16
  If uh the asininity here, the this is not uh again.
• 33:25
  This is where I'm going to uh I'm gonna part company here with Gorsuch.
• 33:30
  These people that have created this law, they don't they don't believe that this policy is essential to public health and safety.
• 33:38
  No, they want to destroy anyone's ability to help young people work through their confusion.
• 33:48
  They want them to stay confused.
• 33:52
  And uh also back to this Colorado law.
• 33:55
  Not only would one lose their license, but one would also be fined as much as $5,000, in addition to having one's license stripped from them.
• 34:07
  The law prohibits licensed therapists from attempting to quote change an individual's sexual orientation, including efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attraction or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.
• 34:26
  How dare you attempt to change their sexual orientation?
• 34:32
  Well, what if they've come to you for that very thing?
• 34:36
  What if they've come to you for that for that very help?
• 34:39
  And you're not allowed.
• 34:42
  Well, uh, Kaylee Chiles said, Oh, no, enough's enough.
• 34:46
  Well, I'm not doing this.
• 34:49
  We're not playing this game.
• 34:52
  Childs argued that the law banning this therapy encourages young people to change their sexual orientation or gender identity away from the heterosexual norm.
• 35:05
  And the law further prohibits the provision of counseling for same-sex desires or identification with the opposite gender, even if the young person wanted that counseling, even if the young person wanted that help, begging for that help, and many of them are, by the way.
• 35:26
  A federal court previously declined to block the law, stating that Colorado was regulating professional conduct rather than constitutionally protected speech.
• 35:39
  Now, Colorado, uh, this is the same state that uh said that the that the cake person, the person who didn't want to make the cake for the uh the homosexual couple, that that was that was speech.
• 36:00
  But in the case of the therapist here, it's not speech, it's conduct.
• 36:04
  You've got these judges that are on the left that are so willing to twist and turn and alter and shape the definition of the law based upon their own ideological preference.
• 36:24
  You can't have it both ways.
• 36:26
  I mean, in the case of the of the baker, it's it can't be free speech, and then in the case of the therapist, uh, be um professional conduct.
• 36:38
  I mean, what is more speech related talking through therapy or baking a cake?
• 36:45
  It seems baking a cake would be professional conduct.
• 36:48
  I don't know if there's any talking going on while you're choosing to bake a cake or not choosing to bake a cake.
• 36:54
  That would be professional conduct.
• 36:57
  Therapy would be actual free speech, actual verbiage.
• 37:04
  But you see, do you do you see what I'm getting at here?
• 37:10
  The the stupidity, the inability to correctly uh uh carry the the definition of the law for all cases and in all matters.
• 37:23
  The left can't do it.
• 37:25
  I mean, I don't know.
• 37:26
  I don't maybe they actually can't do it.
• 37:29
  Maybe they can't.
• 37:30
  Maybe they can't get beyond their own ideological bent because they don't really love the law, they don't have a love for the law.
• 37:38
  They they have a love for their own ideological persuasion.
• 37:42
  That's what they love, and they love that over the law, and they think that their ideological persuasion should be the law.
• 37:50
  I mean, if that's the case, then yes, they love the law.
• 37:53
  But for the law's sake, they don't love it.
• 37:55
  They don't love the constitution.
• 37:57
  They they believe the constitution should be a living, breathing document that changes with society, and and the way we define it should be based upon the the way society is moving and the current stream that society is going down.
• 38:12
  No, no, that that would be the worst thing possible ever in the history of ever.
• 38:18
  No, the constitution is not a living breathing document, it's fixed, it's etched in stone.
• 38:25
  The definitions of the word and words and the document, when originally used and applied, those definitions still stand, they still hold.
• 38:37
  The original usage, the original application still applies today.
• 38:43
  If it doesn't, we don't have a law.
• 38:45
  If it no longer applies, we we don't have uh any type of measuring stick.
• 38:53
  The goalposts keep moving.
• 38:55
  If if the goalposts are going to keep moving, you don't have a game.
• 38:59
  If if 12 inches no longer equals a foot, we got nothing.
• 39:04
  And that's why the Constitution has to stay intact.
• 39:09
  Uh, and so kudos to this to this court.
• 39:13
  Absolutely to this court for standing up and and getting it done.
• 39:22
  All right, I'm looking at the clock.
• 39:24
  I'm not quite done with this conversation yet.
• 39:26
  There's there's a couple more things in this in this case that I want to point out.
• 39:31
  We'll get to that on the other side of this break.
• 39:33
  Stick around.
• 39:34
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• 43:14
  Speaking of good times, the Supreme Court is giving us some good times.
• 43:21
  And and just to celebrate uh the Constitution, they stood up for the Constitution this week.
• 43:29
  Doesn't always happen, mind you, but this week they did it.
• 43:34
  Uh Judge Charlotte Sweeney of the U.S.
• 43:37
  District Court for the District of Colorado.
• 43:42
  Uh, she is the judge here that the Supremes are just smacking down theoretically.
• 43:49
  She said that children are entitled to a state's protection from therapeutic modalities that have been shown to cause long-standing psychological and physical damage.
• 44:03
  I would like Judge Charlotte Sweeney to uh did she cite any documentation of longstanding psychological and physical damage that this therapy's caused.
• 44:19
  Or are they just at this point babbling the talking points?
• 44:26
  I promise you, I'm I'm gonna step out here right now.
• 44:30
  There is no legitimate study or research.
• 44:33
  Emphasis on the word legitimate.
• 44:35
  There was no legitimate study or legitimate longstanding research that shows longstanding psychological and physical damage to young people who are going through therapy, helping them through their confusion.
• 44:51
  Judge Charlotte Sweeney of the U.S.
• 44:54
  District Court for the District of Colorado.
• 44:59
  The U.S.
• 45:00
  Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit upheld the Colorado law as a regulation of child's conduct, not her speech.
• 45:08
  We're not talking about her speech here, even though she's actually speaking.
• 45:13
  Her professional conduct.
• 45:15
  Now the the person baking the cake, oh, that's speech.
• 45:18
  That's not professional conduct.
• 45:20
  But here, here it's its conduct.
• 45:25
  And shockingly, my friends, shockingly.
• 45:29
  Justice Alana Kagan filed a concurring opinion along with Justice Sonia Sotomayor.
• 45:36
  They filed a concurring opinion with Gorsuch.
• 45:40
  Kagan said she agreed that the Colorado law, as applied to talk therapy, conflicts with core First Amendment principles because it regulates speech based on viewpoint.
• 45:55
  Ha ha didn't see it coming.
• 45:59
  Not from Kagan.
• 46:01
  Not from Soda Myor.
• 46:04
  A law drawing a line based on the ideology of the speaker, disadvantaging one view and advantaging another, said Kagan, skews the marketplace of ideas.
• 46:19
  Our society dispend depends on to discover truth.
• 46:23
  What?
• 46:25
  Justice Kagan acknowledged that our society depends upon the marketplace of ideas in order to discover truth.
• 46:36
  Holy smokes.
• 46:39
  That means that that a therapist has to be able to present ideas in order for his or her client to discover truth.
• 46:53
  Now, if the therapist is not allowed to dispense with the free marketplace of ideas, then it seems the only objective for that disallowance would be for someone to not discover truth.
• 47:10
  And that's the name of their game here.
• 47:12
  They don't want young people discovering truth.
• 47:16
  They want them perpetually confused, eternally and perpetually, in a state of confusion.
• 47:25
  Not in a state of truth.
• 47:27
  Not in a state of understanding.
• 47:30
  Not in a state of exploring the free marketplace of ideas.
• 47:40
  And kudos here.
• 47:42
  Congratulations.
• 47:43
  High praise and high marks for Alana Kagan for acknowledging this very thing.
• 47:49
  And for Sonia Soda Myor for climbing on board her opinion.
• 47:54
  And equally acknowledging it.
• 47:57
  Kagan continued.
• 47:59
  She said if the first amendment prohibits anything, it is the official suppression of ideas.
• 48:05
  Well, well, what do you what do you think about that, Judge Charlotte Sweeney of the U.S.
• 48:11
  District Court for the District of Colorado?
• 48:15
  What do you think about that?
• 48:16
  U.S.
• 48:16
  Circuit Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit.
• 48:20
  What do you think about that?
• 48:21
  Your own Kagan and Soda Myor, your very own has smacked you down.
• 48:30
  Your very own has come on board and said, look, you the constitution means what it says it means.
• 48:40
  The uh Supreme Court then reversed the 10th circuit decision and remanded the case for further proceedings.
• 48:48
  Consistent with their opinion.
• 48:50
  Uh tell you what, why don't you why don't you look at this and make sure you're you're you're looking at it with a lens that's consistent with our opinion?
• 49:00
  Yeah, we're the supremes here.
• 49:02
  You're not.
• 49:04
  Uh, this feels so good.
• 49:06
  Doesn't it?
• 49:06
  Am I alone here?
• 49:08
  Am I I know I'm not.
• 49:09
  I'm not alone.
• 49:10
  I know this just brings excitement and joy to the room, doesn't it?
• 49:15
  Don't you feel it?
• 49:16
  Aren't you equally excited that the Supreme Court has made this determination?
• 49:26
  Uh Child's attorney, he's pretty stoked.
• 49:29
  Jim Campbell of Alliance Defending Freedom.
• 49:33
  He said the Supreme Court's ruling in this case, which was based on his client, Chiles, based on her engaging in voluntary conversations, will lead to similar laws in other states being struck down.
• 49:48
  Now, here's the good news.
• 49:50
  Because 23 states, along with the District of Columbia, all have these laws that therapists cannot try to talk young people off.
• 50:00
  Of their gayness and into straightness.
• 50:02
  Can't do it.
• 50:04
  Well, that's going to change things.
• 50:06
  That's going to I don't know that we fully understand the uh the the shape of the playing field right now and how that shape is about to change.
• 50:20
  This this Supreme Court ruling is huge, it's massive.
• 50:24
  It delivers a death blow to one of the ideological uh strongholds that the left has placed on this country.
• 50:39
  This supreme court decision delivers the death blow to it.
• 50:43
  Matter of fact, that I might I might title the article that right there.
• 50:47
  I always put an article out with the podcast.
• 50:51
  Supreme Court, I write this down.
• 50:53
  Supreme Court decision delivers death blow to leftist ideology.
• 51:01
  Oh, I love it.
• 51:03
  Absolutely.
• 51:04
  Love it.
• 51:05
  Um Jim Campbell continued.
• 51:09
  Uh the court said laws like these that discriminate based on viewpoint, single out a particular perspective for silencing.
• 51:19
  That those laws have to be subject to the highest, highest First Amendment scrutiny.
• 51:26
  And so that's going to apply to every single one of these laws around the country.
• 51:30
  And the one thing we know, he continued, is that whenever a court has applied that kind of heightened scrutiny to one of these laws, it has struck it down.
• 51:40
  All other laws follow like dominoes.
• 51:46
  Right straight down, just like the dominoes.
• 51:50
  Well, uh, Colorado, uh, they can't be happy about this.
• 51:55
  The leftists over there, the Marxists in charge of Colorado.
• 52:01
  They're not happy.
• 52:02
  The Colorado AG, Phil Weiser, uh, who isn't, said the high court's decision was a setback for Colorado's efforts to protect children and families from harmful and discredited mental health practices.
• 52:20
  Oh, just the comedic value here.
• 52:23
  Again, harmful and discredited.
• 52:27
  Who?
• 52:28
  Who, Mr.
• 52:29
  Weiser?
• 52:30
  Who isn't?
• 52:31
  Who has discredited this except uh Marxists who obviously don't want it because they want to keep kids in confusion?
• 52:43
  Wiser, who isn't continued.
• 52:45
  For generations, states have set and enforced standards to ensure that licensed professionals provide safe and appropriate care.
• 52:54
  We strongly disagree with the court's reasoning because obviously a care to lead a young person out of confusion is not safe, nor is it appropriate to our Marxist cause.
• 53:07
  That's the caveat.
• 53:09
  It's not safe or appropriate to Marxism.
• 53:13
  Uh, but he wasn't done there.
• 53:15
  He said this this therapy is a practice that every major medical and mental health association in the country has rejected as unsafe and effective.
• 53:24
  Really?
• 53:25
  Every major medical and mental health association in the country has rejected it as unsafe and ineffective.
• 53:34
  Now, are you are you referencing the uh um that that child pediatric organization that is on board with uh with solving mental health problems with uh transgender surgery?
• 53:50
  Is that what you're you're referring to them?
• 53:53
  Because they're discredited.
• 53:55
  Now, I will tell you this, Mr.
• 53:57
  Weiser, who isn't any major medical and mental health association that has uh rejected this as unsafe and ineffective, they are discredited.
• 54:09
  That they are a major medical and mental health association that is steeped in discredit, they reek of it, they they reek and stink of it.
• 54:22
  All right, I just use the same word just in a different way twice.
• 54:26
  Okay, uh, when we get to that point, I mean we know that we know the deed is done.
• 54:32
  All right, look, the bottom line is uh not only is the first amendment saved, but young people throughout this country now have the opportunity to equally be saved from confusion, saved from hardship, saved from turmoil, saved from wandering aimlessly through their life, wondering who they are, and we are we are grateful, and ultimately we gotta say this.
• 55:06
  Uh, this is rare when we say this, but we're gonna say it.
• 55:09
  We're grateful to two of the leftist judges, Kagan and Soda Mayor.
• 55:14
  Obviously, you know, having them on board didn't alter the decision one way or the other, but uh congratulations to them for seeing the truth on this.
• 55:25
  I'm genuinely shocked.
• 55:27
  I am, it's genuine, and and because I'm I'm so shocked, my gratitude to them is is equally genuine.
• 55:36
  I truly am.
• 55:37
  I'm I'm grateful that they that they see the truth here in this.
• 55:43
  Not surprised about the about the other, not surprised about her at all, at all whatsoever.
• 55:49
  Okay, uh, my friends, good news.
• 55:52
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