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Sharri | 30 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: The alban Eazy campaign hits major hurdles just two days
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Speaker 3: out from the election, with ministers now embroiled in controversy.
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Speaker 3: Political editors are even saying that Labor may be more vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: Than first thought that in a moment also tonight, does
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Speaker 2: Labor actually believe in democracy?
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Speaker 3: Well, Pennywog hints it plans to revive the Voice to
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Speaker 3: Parliament and neo Nazis hit the campaign trail in Cawfield, Melbourne,
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Speaker 3: dressing up as Jews. I'll show you the full video
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Speaker 3: of these vile anti Semites shortly plus more bombshell accusations
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Speaker 3: against Nine Star journalist Nick McKenzie in his pursuit of
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Speaker 3: war hero Ben Robert Smith. Could these new text messages
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Speaker 3: be his undoing What's another massive show tonight? Michael Kroger,
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Speaker 3: Graham Rich and Holly Hughes, Bridget McKenzie and more. But first,
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Speaker 3: the Albanezy government is stumbling towards the finish line in
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Speaker 3: a disastrous final week of the campaign riddled with arrogance,
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Speaker 3: deception and scandal from Pennywog's defiance of a democratic mandate
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Speaker 3: on the Voice to allegations of foreign interference to reckless
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Speaker 3: economic management jeopardizing our triple A credit rating. Well, the
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Speaker 3: spin is no longer papering over these cracks. Well, let's
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Speaker 3: start with Pennywong and the revelations today that she may
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Speaker 3: want to resurrect the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, never mind
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Speaker 3: that sixty percent of Australians voted against it. This is
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Speaker 3: breathtaking arrogance. The referendum result was one of the clearest
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Speaker 3: democratic rejections in modern Australian history. Yet the government, it seems,
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Speaker 3: doesn't want to accept the result, and Pennywog in a
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Speaker 3: soft in you casually dismisses the public's verdict.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think we'll look back on it in ten
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Speaker 4: years time and it'll be like marriage equality, don't you reckon?
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Speaker 4: Like I always just say marriage equality, which took us
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Speaker 4: such a bloody fight to get that done. And I thought,
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Speaker 4: all this fuss, it'll become something and be like, people go,
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Speaker 4: do we have an argument about that? They weren't even
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Speaker 4: like kids today or any even adults today, barely kind
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Speaker 4: of clock that it used to be an issue.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't just tone deaf, it's contempt for
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Speaker 3: democracy intending to resurrect a policy Australians overwhelmingly voted against
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Speaker 3: reflects the elitist arrogance that defines this government.
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Speaker 2: Albanezy needs to recognize so that.
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Speaker 3: Penny Wang has given him the worst day of his
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Speaker 3: campaign so far.
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Speaker 2: Now there's this questionable claim.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe it, but it's a claim the media
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Speaker 3: keeps prosecuting that she is the most.
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Speaker 2: Popular politician in the country.
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Speaker 3: But it's curious because if this were the case, well,
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Speaker 3: wouldn't the Albin Easy roacho have featured her more heavily
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Speaker 3: this campaign. The reality is Pennywong thinks she's a better
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Speaker 3: mediate performer than she actually is, and she can't be
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Speaker 3: trusted to stay on message. And if this is the case,
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Speaker 3: imagine what she's saying in meetings with other countries. Pennywong
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Speaker 3: is notorious for not doing hard interviews, but to do
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Speaker 3: this soft chit chat with the Batuta advocate during an
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Speaker 3: election campaign in the final high stakes week while Peter
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Speaker 3: Darton took full advantage of her comments.
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Speaker 5: Today you see Pennywong out there at the moment talking
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Speaker 5: about the fact that the voice is inevitable, so under
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Speaker 5: a labor Green's government. We see this secret plan to
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Speaker 5: legislate the Voice and Penny Wong's let that cat out
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Speaker 5: of the bag. Now people will be opposed to that
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Speaker 5: because they thought they sent a very clear message to
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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister that they didn't bought the voice.
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Speaker 3: Now you can agree or disagree with the Voice, but
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Speaker 3: the point is there was a referendum, Australians voted against
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Speaker 3: it and having a blatant to disregard for democracy is
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Speaker 3: more in line with communist regimes tyrannies on autocracies. And
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Speaker 3: when I asked about this today, the Prime Minister didn't offer
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Speaker 3: an adequate explanation.
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Speaker 2: He sort of cracked a joke.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's not what the Foreign Minister said at all,
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Speaker 6: and she's right here, so probably not a great idea
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Speaker 6: to verbal Penny one while she's sitting there. I'll just
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Speaker 6: give you that. I'll just give you that tip for free.
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Speaker 6: Ask getting you the cabinet colleagues. I'll explain to you
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Speaker 6: why that's a bad idea.
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Speaker 2: Well, that will be easy. I'll give you a tip
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Speaker 2: for free.
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Speaker 3: You can't pretend she didn't say what she said when
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Speaker 3: it was an audio recorded interview. And then there's Clara
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Speaker 3: O'neilustralian Electoral Commission has referred allegations that the Hubet Association,
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Speaker 3: apparently linked to the Chinese Communist Party, planned to supply
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Speaker 3: her campaign with volunteers. And this comes after the video
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Speaker 3: admission from Monique Ryan's own volunteers yesterday. Now, if this
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Speaker 3: is all true, it's deeply troubling. Australians shouldn't have to
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Speaker 3: wonder where campaign influence ends and foreign interests begin. As
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Speaker 3: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson says, this could be
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Speaker 3: a serious national security matter.
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Speaker 7: It's especially surprising that Clara O'Neil has found herself caught
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Speaker 7: up in this because as the former Minister for Home Affairs,
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Speaker 7: no one in the Federal Parliament should better understand the
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Speaker 7: risks of foreign interference than her. No one would have
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Speaker 7: been briefed more often and in a more detailed way
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Speaker 7: than her. She was previously responsible for ASIO and so
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Speaker 7: for her campaign to be caught up and this is
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Speaker 7: especially troubling.
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Speaker 3: And then there's Albanezi himself, who is substance free and
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Speaker 3: spin deep, and he was today press by Andrew clonel
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Speaker 3: on his onslought of lies during the campaign. He insists
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Speaker 3: everything is hanky dory when the most reputable global ratings
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Speaker 3: agency has put his government on notice that our tria
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Speaker 3: A credit rating is at risk.
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Speaker 2: And why S and P is.
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Speaker 3: Concerned about structural spending that's built in spending.
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Speaker 2: They're also concerned about over.
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Speaker 3: One hundred billion dollars in hidden off budget spending and
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Speaker 3: the unsustainable debt which is going to hit a trillion
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Speaker 3: dollars next year. Now a downgrade would hit every Australian
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Speaker 3: with a mortgage, a small business loan or even a
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Speaker 3: credit card. And this isn't hypothetical. Alban Easy is officially
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Speaker 3: on notice, and then it gets worse with Labour's likely
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Speaker 3: co conspirators in the case of a hung parliament. Green's
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Speaker 3: leader Adam band is already laying out his demands on Gaza,
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Speaker 3: on so called Islamophobia, and of course on Israel. If
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Speaker 3: we thought the Albertezy government has been hostile towards the
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Speaker 3: only Jewish nation in the world, will wait until it
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Speaker 3: co governs with the far left, anti Semitic Greens. And
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Speaker 3: all this while the Teals are imploding. Sophie Scamps tried
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Speaker 3: to exploit the tragic death of a young NROL player
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Speaker 3: by falsely blaming it on climate change, and she was
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Speaker 3: forced into an apology today, an embarrassing one to Keith
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Speaker 3: Titmas's parents. But sorry, it seems, was the hardest word
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Speaker 3: for her to say. Her apology, in my view, was
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Speaker 3: half hearted, bungled and defensive, and it also ended with
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Speaker 3: Sophie Scamps hanging up the phone on Ben Fordham when
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Speaker 3: he didn't want to hear her ramble on about climate
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Speaker 3: change anymore.
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Speaker 8: If there's any distress or upset, deeply, deeply sorry, that
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Speaker 8: was never any attention my intention at all, of course,
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Speaker 8: loved best wishes and deep apologies if there was any well,
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Speaker 8: if sorry, she is upset, and it went on.
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Speaker 2: It got worse. The ending was worse. Now this was
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Speaker 2: a shocker. Now.
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Speaker 3: Sophie Scamps's top backer, Simon Holmes the Court, has also
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Speaker 3: been caught out launching condescending sexist attacks on women.
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Speaker 2: He dubbed Jane Hume.
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Speaker 3: The nanny and a silly woman. He called Hume, Anne Rustin,
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Speaker 3: Michaylia Cash and Maurice Payne crumb Maiden. They're the most
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Speaker 3: senior women in the Liberal Party. These are the sexist
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Speaker 3: remarks from the spiritual leader of the Teals, which supposedly
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Speaker 3: ran on women's issues and integrity and speaking of hypocrisy, Well,
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Speaker 3: let's return to Pennywog because this is a classic. Now
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Speaker 3: you'd presume that Pennywang wouldn't be a great fan of
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Speaker 3: Independent MP Day, who won the seat of Fowler from
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Speaker 3: Pennywog's fellow mean girl, Christina Kinneerly. And so Pennywog has
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Speaker 3: criticized Dilie for preferencing a candidate accused of racism. She said,
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Speaker 3: it's concerning that Dilly is more committed to supporting the
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Speaker 3: Liberals than standing up to this racism. So that's Pennywong
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Speaker 3: there again, saying it's concerning that Dilly is more committed
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Speaker 3: to supporting the Liberals through her preferencing, through her preferences,
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Speaker 3: than standing up to this racism. But Labor is preferencing
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Speaker 3: the Greens who've repeatedly been accused of racism and anti semitism,
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Speaker 3: and they're preferencing the Greens in almost every seat across
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Speaker 3: the country.
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Speaker 2: Well, where is Pennywog's outrage about that?
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Speaker 3: Of course there is none, because she has no moral clarity, consistency,
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Speaker 3: or integrity.
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Speaker 2: This is all.
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Speaker 3: Dirty politics, and that dirty politics is working for labor.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister was cocky and arrogant today as he
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Speaker 3: cracked jokes in response to serious questions about our nation
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Speaker 3: at the National Press Club. And he's expecting to win
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Speaker 3: big on Saturday, and so he doesn't think he has
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Speaker 3: to properly answer questions from pesky press gallery journalists. And
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Speaker 3: even when he was pressed on his record as Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister and his inability to tell the truth, he just
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Speaker 3: couldn't answer adequately.
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Speaker 9: You said we'd have cheaper mortgages. We don't. You said
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Speaker 9: an election night you'd commit to the ULARU statement in full.
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Speaker 9: You haven't. And you said when you're messed up you
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Speaker 9: would admit fault. Now you say Peter Dutton is seeking
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Speaker 9: to Americanize the health system. He's promising to match your
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Speaker 9: bulk billing funding.
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Speaker 1: Some of you are.
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Speaker 9: It's basically say he's going to abolish Medicare you say
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Speaker 9: his nuclear plan will be funded by cuts? You're renewable
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Speaker 9: subsidies and rewiring the nation aren't paid for by cuts.
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Speaker 1: You must might come up here, Andrew, And my question is.
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Speaker 9: How why do you have to exaggerate in this campaign.
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Speaker 9: Why can't you win this election by telling the truth.
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Speaker 6: We are absolutely telling Australians as Peter Dutton did on
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Speaker 6: Sunday night in the Channel sevent debate.
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Speaker 3: And Albineasy also won't say whether the nation is better
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Speaker 3: off after three years of his government.
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Speaker 4: Our Australians better off now than they were before you're elected.
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the right answer to that is,
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Speaker 6: and that is that Australians would be seven two hundred
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Speaker 6: dollars worse off if Peter Duttner got his way.
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Speaker 5: Good debating tactic, taking question, but it's not the question.
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Speaker 6: And got his way. That is what Peter Dutton has done.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mark Riley from Channel seven was right there,
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Speaker 3: that was just a debating tactic. The Prime Minister, of
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Speaker 3: course couldn't answer the question.
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Speaker 2: And that is the key question. Are you better off?
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Speaker 3: That's what voters will ask themselves when they enter the
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Speaker 3: ballot box. And the reality is Albanezi took a small target,
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Speaker 3: no risk agenda to the last election, but then sprang
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Speaker 3: radical left ring reforms on the country without a mandate,
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Speaker 3: think sky high immigration, a shift in foreign policy on Israel,
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Speaker 3: environmental extremism, backflips on the Stage three tax cuts and
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Speaker 3: now taxing unrealized capital gains tax.
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Speaker 2: This was all kept secret.
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Speaker 3: From voters before the last election in a calculated deception
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Speaker 3: and it's astonishing they've got away with it, and there
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Speaker 3: is genuine anger about this and the cost of living
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Speaker 3: broken promises too with mainstream Australians. It's why Labour is
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Speaker 3: most vulnerable in suburban areas. The Finn Review's political editor
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Speaker 3: Phil Couri rites today that seat by seat polling by
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Speaker 3: JWS Research backs the internal findings of both major parties
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Speaker 3: that a certain demographic of seats out of suburban mortgage
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Speaker 3: belt electorates with blue collar workforces, substantial commute times, high
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Speaker 3: cost of living sensitivities, and in some cases high crime
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Speaker 3: rates are behaving differently to the rest of the electorate.
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Speaker 3: And The Australian's political editor Simon Benson says that while
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Speaker 3: a hung parliament with a minority Labor government is most likely,
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Speaker 3: he says there could be major surprises, and he says
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Speaker 3: there are some parts of the country that are buying
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's message and not buying labors.
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Speaker 2: The question is whether.
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Speaker 3: It will be enough for the coalition to make the
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Speaker 3: inroads it needs. So when the Prime Minister stands at
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Speaker 3: the press club and dodgers questions and cracks jokes and
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Speaker 3: refuses to say whether our country is better off, it's
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Speaker 3: because he believes he's already won. He doesn't think he
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Speaker 3: owes anyone an explanation. But his hubris could come back
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Speaker 3: to bite him. After three years of broken promises and
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Speaker 3: radical reform, Australians just might deliver him a protest vote
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Speaker 3: that's strong enough to knock him off his perch. Now,
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Speaker 3: the Albaneze government is trying its best to avoid speaking
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Speaker 3: about anti Semitism, and yet it's erupting in polling booths.
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Speaker 3: Two examples Today in the suburb of Cowfield in Melbourne,
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Speaker 3: residents woke up to these disgusting flyers handed out by
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Speaker 3: the National Socialist Network. It's a neo Nazi, white supremacist party.
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Speaker 3: Have a look and as you can see, the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party apparently he gives the Jews everything they want. Of course,
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Speaker 3: that is not a Liberal Party fly it's the neo
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Speaker 3: Nazi flyer.
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Speaker 2: But it gets worse.
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Speaker 3: Neo Nazis dressed up as Jews confronted voters at.
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Speaker 2: A polling booth in Q with anti Semitic messages.
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Speaker 3: I would Australia need a dependent I mean, God.
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Speaker 1: On Israel lawns free speech.
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Speaker 9: Criticizing Jews is another hollass.
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Speaker 2: It's another shout.
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Speaker 10: We can't allow them.
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Speaker 5: Anti lost jail hall antisis to get criminals smiling, criminals
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Speaker 5: of kids.
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Speaker 10: Anti slies are the really making juice feel safe.
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Speaker 1: It's really all that matters.
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Speaker 4: And we need to keep Jews free money because we
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Speaker 4: know the Jews little.
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Speaker 7: Short on cash, right, so good party website, these alpholsies.
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Speaker 2: So many anti Semitic tropes there.
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Speaker 3: It's of course highly offensive to the Jewish community in
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Speaker 3: that electorate and beyond. Can you imagine having to confront
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Speaker 3: that those neo Nazis as you turn up to vote.
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Speaker 3: And they were also happy to parade their hatred on
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Speaker 3: the side of a busy road. Now their posters say
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Speaker 3: that it's authorized by Joel Davis. So this is the
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Speaker 3: same group who marched on the Victorian Parliament late last
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Speaker 3: year calling for Jews to leave Australia.
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Speaker 6: By man.
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Speaker 8: The man.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's chilling that this UnAustralian anti Semitic group
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Speaker 3: is now turning up at polling booths to try influence
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Speaker 3: the election and your vote. Now they are on the
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Speaker 3: far right, then there's the radical Greens on the far left.
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Speaker 3: There was also news today that Jewish Labor and p
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Speaker 3: Josh Burns had his poster defaced with a red star
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Speaker 3: of David A right to discuss this and more, Let's
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Speaker 3: bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and
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Speaker 3: labor legend Graham Richardson.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. It's exciting, it's election week.
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Speaker 3: I can't wait to get your official predictions in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But just sticking with this for a minute, Michael, I mean,
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Speaker 3: this is horrific. This is the same neo Nazi group that,
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Speaker 3: as we just heard there shouted freedom for the white man,
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Speaker 3: the Jews must go, and now they're dressing up as
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Speaker 3: Rabbis and Jews on a polling booth in Corefield.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, it's absolutely disgusting. But I'm sorry, I think
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Speaker 1: you have to say this that Jewish hatred, anti Semitism,
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Speaker 1: hatred of Benjamin Etniah of Israel and Israeli government have
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Speaker 1: been licensed by the federal Labor government through their weakness,
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Speaker 1: through all of the things they've done, these extremist Prohamus
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Speaker 1: disgusting demonstrations parading in many cases as demonstrations to free
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Speaker 1: Palestine when we know their riddle with Jewish hatred. We've
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Speaker 1: seen the flags of terrorist organizations in some of these demonstrations,
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Speaker 1: the weakness of our university leaders, the appalling behavior at
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Speaker 1: Sydney Uni, monash Uni, the ANU, I mean, a weak
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Speaker 1: government which has basically allowed this to flourish in this country.
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Speaker 1: And the person the head of this snake is Alban Easy.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's anti Semitic himself, but through his
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Speaker 1: weak action, the weak action of his government and the
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Speaker 1: terrible things that they've done, the subliminal message has been
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Speaker 1: to people that you can get away with this Jewish hatred,
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Speaker 1: and this is the latest incarnation of it, and it's disgusting.
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Speaker 1: It's a sickness. I've never seen it in my life
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Speaker 1: in this country before. Social cohesion has been immensely and
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Speaker 1: maybe permanently damaged under this labor government.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Michael Kroger.
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Speaker 3: Now let's go back to talking about what I was
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Speaker 3: just speaking about in my opening remarks that Albanezey can't
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Speaker 3: answer the question posed by Mark Riley that Australians are
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Speaker 3: better off. He can't say that they are better off
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Speaker 3: now than they were three.
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Speaker 2: Years ago when he was elected.
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Speaker 7: Rich.
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Speaker 2: This is the crux surely of what this election comes
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Speaker 2: down to.
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Speaker 10: Well, well, I think that the Australians can say they're
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Speaker 10: certainly not worse off. Come on said, of course, no, I.
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Speaker 8: Don't come.
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Speaker 2: It's they're worse off now.
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Speaker 10: I can see no reason why Australians would say they're
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Speaker 10: worse off. I can see plenty of reasons why they
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Speaker 10: can say are there as well of? And I think
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Speaker 10: that's where most of them think. Most people are not
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Speaker 10: walking around unhappy. This is not an unhappy country. This
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Speaker 10: is you know, You've got to remember, if this was
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Speaker 10: all really terrible and everyone hated the government, then the
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Speaker 10: government would go in a flash.
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Speaker 8: But it won't.
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Speaker 10: It won't because that's not the case. That in the end,
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Speaker 10: I think people think that the Albanesi government's been doing okay.
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Speaker 10: I'm not suggesting they think it's wonderful, but they think
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Speaker 10: it's it's enough to get half a tick, and that's
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Speaker 10: about you they ever going to get in politics.
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Speaker 3: I think you'd be very hard pressed to find a
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Speaker 3: single Australian who said they were better off now than
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Speaker 3: they were three years ago. And the reason the baseballouts
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Speaker 3: aren't out, although they are out in some areas, but
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Speaker 3: if they aren't out right across the country, I would
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Speaker 3: say that's a failure of the coalition to pin the
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Speaker 3: cost of living crisis on alban Easy. But Michael, do
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Speaker 3: you want to respond to what Richard just said just
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Speaker 3: there about the fact that Australians you know, aren't worse
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Speaker 3: off now? Of course they are. All the data points
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Speaker 3: to it. The interest rate rises, that how grocery prices
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Speaker 3: have gone up by around forty percent, power bills have
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Speaker 3: gone up.
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Speaker 1: Michael, Well, I've known Graham for thirty years. We used
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Speaker 1: to do channel line election courages together in the late
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Speaker 1: eighties and he rarely gets things wrong. Occasionally he does,
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Speaker 1: and tonight Graham might be one of the occasions. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we're all better off under the Albany's. The government's been
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Speaker 1: a spanking success. But show the big point. The bigger
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Speaker 1: point is this, Why does albanias he get away with this?
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Speaker 1: Why does charmers get away with things? It's because the
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Speaker 1: press hold them to a lower, lower standard of account
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Speaker 1: on economics. They basically think that Albo doesn't know much
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Speaker 1: about economics and Charmers has just got an arts degree
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Speaker 1: he doesn't really know. So when they make blunders and mistakes,
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Speaker 1: people just say, oh, that's just Albo and Charmers. They're
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Speaker 1: not a Costello or a Howard or a Keating or
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Speaker 1: a Hawk. So all these young journals of these press
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Speaker 1: conferences are just more interested in social policy than economic policy.
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Speaker 1: But Charmers would never have got away with the stuff
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Speaker 1: he got away with today if Lorry Oaks, Michelle Gratt
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Speaker 1: and Paul Kelly were part of the traveling press pack. So,
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Speaker 1: for example, Charmer said today he's got the debt down. Well,
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Speaker 1: not on the traveling press pack, but Chalmers said today
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Speaker 1: he's got the debt down. In last year's budget it
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Speaker 1: showed that when Charmers became treasurer, gross debt was eight
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Speaker 1: ninety five billion, and this year's budget shows that at
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Speaker 1: the end of this decade it'll be one trillion, two
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three billion gross stet Jim is going
22:25
Speaker 1: up three hundred and twenty eight billion on your watch,
22:28
Speaker 1: my friend. But not a single journalist, I mean Phil
22:31
Speaker 1: Corey in the finn has got onto this. I think
22:34
Speaker 1: Truey got onto it yesterday on Sky, but the Fairfax Press,
22:38
Speaker 1: the ABC show absolutely no interest in economics. Charmers is
22:42
Speaker 1: a political liar and a Charlatan par excellence. But people
22:46
Speaker 1: just think, look it's Jimmy. He's trying his best. He's
22:48
Speaker 1: not that good. He's not really an economist, so if
22:51
Speaker 1: he gets things wrong, don't hold the term he's a
22:53
Speaker 1: nice guy. Costello or Keating or Howard or Morrison, Freedenberg
23:00
Speaker 1: and you know Wayne Swan. These people are be hung,
23:02
Speaker 1: drawn and courted if they'd got numbers wrong like that
23:05
Speaker 1: and just light out right about the budget figures and
23:09
Speaker 1: no one asked them about it, so they're held to
23:11
Speaker 1: a lower standard of account. That's one on cost of living.
23:14
Speaker 1: He gets away with it.
23:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there is something to be said that
23:18
Speaker 3: the media treatment has been softer.
23:21
Speaker 2: We've spoken about that on the show.
23:23
Speaker 3: Now, Richard, you might have known Albow when he worked
23:26
Speaker 3: at Pancakes on the Rocks back in the cety in
23:29
Speaker 3: the seventies, I think.
23:30
Speaker 2: But this is a very good story in the fin.
23:32
Speaker 3: Review today, so Albanezy has put forward the notion that
23:37
Speaker 3: hospitality businesses don't need to pass penalty rates onto consumers.
23:42
Speaker 3: He says that they don't need to because that's what
23:45
Speaker 3: happened when he worked at Pancakes on the Rocks, except
23:48
Speaker 3: that the fin review then tracked down the menu from
23:52
Speaker 3: when Albanezi did work at Pancakes on the Rocks, and
23:55
Speaker 3: of course at the very bottom the menu shows that
23:59
Speaker 3: they did have surcharges on public holidays, and there it
24:04
Speaker 3: is rich. You know, this might be a small example,
24:09
Speaker 3: but again it just goes to this build up of
24:13
Speaker 3: lies from alban Easy.
24:16
Speaker 10: Oh the guy, I think, you know, calling that a
24:19
Speaker 10: lie is going a bit far. I just look, some
24:24
Speaker 10: exaggeration is always going to happen in politics. The question
24:28
Speaker 10: is who's going to be the great exaggerators and who's not.
24:33
Speaker 10: I think Elbow is pretty good when it comes to
24:36
Speaker 10: telling the truth. No politician is ever going to tell
24:41
Speaker 10: the truth on every single occasion. There's just no way
24:45
Speaker 10: they can do that. You can't ask them if a
24:49
Speaker 10: colleague is doing a good job and expecting, as they
24:51
Speaker 10: know is dil They can't say that, So they'll say
24:56
Speaker 10: that the person are doing well.
24:59
Speaker 1: That's normal politics.
25:00
Speaker 10: That nothing less be here.
25:03
Speaker 3: I really had to stop myself from jumping in after
25:06
Speaker 3: about five seconds there. We have never seen a prime
25:11
Speaker 3: minister who's lied so much.
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Speaker 2: It is egregious.
25:13
Speaker 3: I mean he he claims that Peter Dunnan wants to
25:16
Speaker 3: slash Medicare. Darnan has said over and over and over
25:20
Speaker 3: and over again he's not going to touch Medicare. There's
25:22
Speaker 3: no suggestion he would ever touch medicare. But this is
25:25
Speaker 3: what the Prime minister gets away with saying. He says,
25:28
Speaker 3: and again it's the small things that show how easily
25:32
Speaker 3: he lies. Michael, you know that the stage example, there's
25:35
Speaker 3: pancake example.
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Speaker 2: It is a direct lie.
25:37
Speaker 3: He said there was no search charge. The menu turns
25:40
Speaker 3: up there's a surcharge.
25:42
Speaker 1: So there's two things to say. It shows you why
25:46
Speaker 1: a prime minister or treasurer who's never run a business
25:49
Speaker 1: or never worked in the private sector should be elected
25:51
Speaker 1: to any office when eighty percent of the jobs in
25:53
Speaker 1: this country come from the private sector. Does this guy
25:56
Speaker 1: have any idea how many restaurants, caf small businesses in
26:00
Speaker 1: the in the in the restaurant trade, live music, et cetera,
26:05
Speaker 1: wine bars, does he have it, small breweries? Does he
26:08
Speaker 1: have any idea how many of these businesses have gone
26:11
Speaker 1: to the wall in the last few years. If he
26:13
Speaker 1: thinks you can just just absorb these costs, this guy
26:17
Speaker 1: has no understanding of profit and loss statements. And secondly,
26:22
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say Chary that probably since
26:25
Speaker 1: last Friday, Labor's momentum have stopped and the poles, you
26:29
Speaker 1: can just feel the poles turning back to Peter Dutton.
26:32
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is people are now thinking, well,
26:35
Speaker 1: hang on, he lied to me about Dutton selling Turnble,
26:41
Speaker 1: selling medicare. They're lying to me about Dutton slashing medicare.
26:44
Speaker 1: They're lying to me about the deficit, the debt that
26:48
Speaker 1: they're lying to us about, you know, the energy prices
26:52
Speaker 1: being cheaper under renewables, they're lying to us about the
26:56
Speaker 1: cost of nuclear et cetera, et cetera. So people are thinking,
26:59
Speaker 1: are we here okay?
27:01
Speaker 3: So that brings me to the point you're saying, there's
27:03
Speaker 3: a slight turnaround in the polls. So Michael ten seconds,
27:06
Speaker 3: final prediction, who wins and if you can give a
27:09
Speaker 3: seat count, that would be good.
27:13
Speaker 1: Well, if the polls are right at fifty two forty eight,
27:16
Speaker 1: then the government will be returned in minority. All I,
27:20
Speaker 1: as I said, I'm still very much hoping that there's
27:23
Speaker 1: a late swing back to the Coalition and Peter Dutton wins,
27:25
Speaker 1: because I think it'll be a fantastic prime Minister.
27:28
Speaker 2: Richo, what do you think the final.
27:31
Speaker 10: Michaels had too many forlorn hopes over the course of
27:33
Speaker 10: the years, and there is but another one. Alba will
27:37
Speaker 10: win on the weekend that I have no doubt will
27:42
Speaker 10: he get there in his own right? My view is
27:44
Speaker 10: probably yes, which is not the common view, but I
27:47
Speaker 10: think Albo is going to do okay.
27:49
Speaker 3: All right, Well, well talk about how your prediction's fared
27:53
Speaker 3: this time next week.
27:54
Speaker 2: Thank you both so much.
27:56
Speaker 10: Thank you.
27:57
Speaker 3: Now let's return to Penny Wong's claim that the Voice
28:01
Speaker 3: will eventually happen and Jonimir's National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie.
28:04
Speaker 2: Bridget, great to see you. Now. This is the worst.
28:09
Speaker 3: This is the worst thing Alberize could have hoped for.
28:11
Speaker 3: These comments from Pennywog. I mean, the Voice was resoundingly defeated.
28:16
Speaker 3: Do you think she really wants to.
28:20
Speaker 2: Have another voice referendum?
28:25
Speaker 11: Well, Shari, Sixty percent of Australia voted no to the
28:30
Speaker 11: Voice referendum in twenty twenty three. They sent a very
28:33
Speaker 11: clear message. They wanted practical action on the issues for
28:38
Speaker 11: Indigenous and torrestraight islands, particularly those invulnerable communities, but they
28:43
Speaker 11: did not think changing our constitution dividing Australians using the
28:48
Speaker 11: Voice proposal was the way to go. They sent a
28:51
Speaker 11: clear message. And yet Pennywong, in a rare moment of
28:55
Speaker 11: honesty in the Labor campaign, I might say, chose to
28:59
Speaker 11: reveal that.
29:00
Speaker 8: The Labor Party.
29:02
Speaker 11: Has it legislated in the top drawer, ready to go
29:05
Speaker 11: should they be successful on Saturday. And I think one thing,
29:09
Speaker 11: I sit in the Senate chamber with Pennywong my entire career.
29:13
Speaker 11: She's now leader of the Government in the Senate. This
29:15
Speaker 11: is not a woman who uses her words carelessly. She's
29:21
Speaker 11: very considered highly intelligent. And this is actually what Penny
29:26
Speaker 11: Wong believes, that the Voice is a proposal of merit
29:30
Speaker 11: worthy to go forward. And she is in the senior leadership.
29:35
Speaker 11: The kitchen cabinet, shall we say, of Anthony Albanese, is
29:38
Speaker 11: most inner circle.
29:40
Speaker 2: So I think will many say she leap back on
29:43
Speaker 2: the table.
29:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, many say she runs the show and she has
29:47
Speaker 3: more authority than many of the other ministers now bridget
29:51
Speaker 3: what I want to ask you about these unearthed comments
29:54
Speaker 3: by Simon Holmes Acott.
29:56
Speaker 2: It was in margin cole Bishan today. You know, the
30:00
Speaker 2: Teals claim to be pro women.
30:02
Speaker 3: They were so critical of the Scott Morrison, you know,
30:05
Speaker 3: apparently over the Me Too movement, and yet his own
30:09
Speaker 3: social media postings show very disparaging remarks towards senior women.
30:15
Speaker 3: Do you find this both offensive and hypocritical?
30:21
Speaker 11: Well, it's both. It's incredibly offensive and extremely hypocritical. Simon
30:28
Speaker 11: Holmes at Court uses these women as a front to
30:32
Speaker 11: protect his own commercial interests. Let's be very very frank.
30:37
Speaker 11: These women, the Teal movement more broadly, highly educated women,
30:43
Speaker 11: Greens in designer close by any other name, and if
30:46
Speaker 11: they were really feminists they'd stand on their own two
30:49
Speaker 11: feet and give this bloke the heave ho, because right
30:54
Speaker 11: now his brand is undermining their reputation. This guy, it's
30:59
Speaker 11: always at follow the money, Shari. You need to just
31:02
Speaker 11: follow the money of Simon Holmes of Court, his commercial
31:07
Speaker 11: vested interests, who he runs with, and why they are
31:11
Speaker 11: pursuing one hundred percent renewables for this country when we
31:15
Speaker 11: know it is dangerous, it will ruin our economy, and
31:21
Speaker 11: that there are much better ways to bring down emissions.
31:25
Speaker 11: Use our backyard full of uranium, keep drops on shore
31:29
Speaker 11: and make sure we put down with pressure on prices.
31:33
Speaker 3: All right, I want to ask you about this comments
31:34
Speaker 3: from Donald Trump today. Now I broke the story in
31:37
Speaker 3: the show a month or so ago that Albanezi was
31:40
Speaker 3: trying to get hold of Trump and Trump wasn't taking
31:43
Speaker 3: the phone calls. Were Now they are these comments publicly
31:46
Speaker 3: from Trump today, which indicates that he is aware of
31:50
Speaker 3: the cause.
31:50
Speaker 2: Have a look, there's an election in Australia.
31:53
Speaker 7: Are the Australian Prime minister is having an election this weekend?
31:56
Speaker 3: Will you speak to him about trade?
31:59
Speaker 10: They are going well with.
32:00
Speaker 2: God, So there you go. He knows his calling. I mean,
32:05
Speaker 2: bridget Donald Trump is working with negative well apparently journals in.
32:16
Speaker 11: He can't send Kevin Rudd, so he sent the journals
32:19
Speaker 11: in to say please take my call President.
32:22
Speaker 3: What about the other night on Chattel seven he says
32:25
Speaker 3: he doesn't know if he has.
32:26
Speaker 2: A mobile phone. Well, of course he does have a
32:28
Speaker 2: mobile phone.
32:30
Speaker 3: But the point is, firstly, is Trump working as a
32:33
Speaker 3: negative for the coalition? Because this was initially embarrassing that
32:37
Speaker 3: Albaneze couldn't get him on the phone. But now the
32:39
Speaker 3: Trump factor is impacting, it seems on Dutton's prospects.
32:45
Speaker 11: Well. I think we live in incredibly challenging times, and
32:48
Speaker 11: not just Geo strategically, Shahi economically and socially as well.
32:52
Speaker 11: And the solutions to these challenging times are very neat,
32:56
Speaker 11: sophisticated plans, not sort of soundbites and the fifteen second
33:03
Speaker 11: grabs that sometimes you get from prime ministers in election campaigns.
33:10
Speaker 11: The Trump issue is obviously a problem, not just for
33:14
Speaker 11: Australia but right around the globe. He's a great disruptor.
33:18
Speaker 11: I would argue he's not a conservative, and I think
33:21
Speaker 11: for Peter, he's made very clear that for us in
33:24
Speaker 11: the Coalition, we have one priority and that's our national
33:28
Speaker 11: sovereignty here at home, and he's going made it very
33:32
Speaker 11: clear that should we get the great privilege come Sunday
33:35
Speaker 11: morning to be the government, then we will be putting
33:37
Speaker 11: Australian's interests first. Now, presidents come and go. The alliance,
33:42
Speaker 11: irrespective of who's sitting in the White House or who's
33:45
Speaker 11: sitting in the lodge, is strong and we need to
33:48
Speaker 11: sort of put this into perspective and can't. I don't
33:51
Speaker 11: think the coalition could have been clearer around where we
33:54
Speaker 11: sit when it comes to President Trump.
33:57
Speaker 3: All right, of course it has been weaponized against and
34:01
Speaker 3: Mark Conny, Mark Carney's win yesterday I think is frightening
34:04
Speaker 3: a lot of people in the coalition. Fridgia mackenzie really
34:07
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. Now still to come the man who'll
34:10
Speaker 3: tell you that Alban Eze's reckless spending will ruin the economy.
34:14
Speaker 3: But first the bombshell new text messages that could below
34:18
Speaker 3: open the Ben Robert Smith appeal. That's after this quick break,
34:26
Speaker 3: Welcome back with massive day in the Federal court tomorrow
34:29
Speaker 3: with Victoria Cross recipient Ben Robert Smith's bid to set
34:32
Speaker 3: aside the defamation finding against him and even have a retrial.
34:37
Speaker 3: His appeal now centers on the bombshell admission from nine
34:40
Speaker 3: journalist Nick mackenzie that he obtained the war hero's legal strategy.
34:46
Speaker 3: Now this was captured in explosive audio that we first
34:49
Speaker 3: broadcast in March.
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Speaker 2: He was the most egregious part.
34:53
Speaker 6: I shouldn't tell you.
34:54
Speaker 4: I've just preached mythics in doing that.
34:56
Speaker 8: Like this is where like this is.
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Speaker 1: If you knew that.
35:05
Speaker 2: But it gets worse.
35:06
Speaker 3: We now know about text messages where Danielle Scott, and
35:10
Speaker 3: she's the best friend of Ben, Robert Smith's ex wife,
35:13
Speaker 3: told Nick mackenzie always better to be on the front foot.
35:17
Speaker 3: I say, and know what they are planning. I think
35:20
Speaker 3: you owe me two beers now, So those texts appear
35:25
Speaker 3: to corroborate the suggestion in the recording that mackenzie had
35:28
Speaker 3: access to Robert Smith's legal strategy or part of it.
35:32
Speaker 3: Now Robert Smiths lawyers are arguing a serious injustice has occurred.
35:36
Speaker 3: They claim this is a case of misconduct. Nine have
35:40
Speaker 3: denied all suggestions they've acted unethically or obtained any privileged
35:44
Speaker 3: legal documents were to discuss. Let's bringing now the Rule
35:47
Speaker 3: of Law Institute of Australia's Chris Merrick. Chris, great to
35:51
Speaker 3: see you, so give us an overview of where you
35:53
Speaker 3: think this is headed over the next couple of days.
35:57
Speaker 12: Until now this case has all learn about Ben Robert Smith.
36:01
Speaker 12: He's faced all the downside, but the downside now weighs
36:05
Speaker 12: far more heavily on Nick McKenzie and his employer Nine Entertainment.
36:09
Speaker 12: And I say this for this reason. If Ben Robert
36:12
Speaker 12: Smith loses this case, the only thing that happens is
36:15
Speaker 12: he can't reopen his appeal. If Nick McKenzie loses this,
36:20
Speaker 12: it's almost certain that not only the appeal will be reopened,
36:24
Speaker 12: but the verdict and the original defamation case could be vacated,
36:29
Speaker 12: and that inevitably would trigger moves to reconsider the costs
36:34
Speaker 12: order in that case. And that's tens of millions of
36:37
Speaker 12: dollars that could be up for grabs.
36:39
Speaker 2: Fifty million.
36:40
Speaker 12: Isn't it easy? Now? It doesn't end there. There's four
36:44
Speaker 12: points that Ben Robert Smith needs to prove if he's
36:48
Speaker 12: going to win this the right to reopen this case?
36:52
Speaker 12: Was the material that Nick McKenzie obtained privileged two? Did
36:59
Speaker 12: he know it? Privilege three? Did he engage in conduct
37:04
Speaker 12: that a court considered to be unlawful or improper? And
37:09
Speaker 12: did that affect the unfairness of the trial. If he
37:12
Speaker 12: gets all those things up, he wins. But just consider this,
37:17
Speaker 12: If he gets up on just one, If he gets
37:19
Speaker 12: up on proving that Nick McKenzie, a star Walkley Award
37:24
Speaker 12: winning reporter, engaged in conduct that was unlawful or improper,
37:30
Speaker 12: Ben Robert Smith would still lose the case. But Nick
37:33
Speaker 12: McKenzie would be stuck with a finding by the full
37:36
Speaker 12: Federal Court that his journalistic methods a manner to unlawful
37:40
Speaker 12: or improper conduct that would be very reputational, not suicide,
37:45
Speaker 12: but difficult to be difficult for him to live with.
37:47
Speaker 3: Well, already this audio recording being made public is probably
37:51
Speaker 3: difficult for him to live with.
37:53
Speaker 2: I mean for people watching at home.
37:55
Speaker 3: Why this matters ultimately is you had Australia's most decor
38:00
Speaker 3: war hero, most celebrated war hero, accused of war crimes
38:05
Speaker 3: by Channel nine and now there seems to be I mean,
38:09
Speaker 3: an admission in the recording from Nick mackenzie. He says
38:11
Speaker 3: he's breached his own ethics and other things. And so
38:17
Speaker 3: you know, I think the Australians go, right, if you're
38:20
Speaker 3: going to pursue a war criminal, well you can't engage
38:24
Speaker 3: in dirty tricks like potentially obtaining his legal strategy.
38:28
Speaker 12: It will be really entertaining to put it that way.
38:31
Speaker 12: To see Nick mackenzie cross examined tomorrow by Arthur Moses.
38:37
Speaker 12: Arthur Moses is one of the country's most forensic silks,
38:40
Speaker 12: and he's also the silk who was referred to by
38:43
Speaker 12: Nick Mackenzie in his book on the defamation case as
38:46
Speaker 12: sneering and supercilious. So I think it will be very
38:49
Speaker 12: entertaining to see how Mackenzie stands up. So a forensic
38:54
Speaker 12: cross examination about that recording by a fellow who he's
38:58
Speaker 12: personally criticized.
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Speaker 3: Always high risk, I'm told journalist on the stand, they
39:05
Speaker 3: don't usually give good, great evidence.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that might be the case. But look,
39:09
Speaker 12: it's only going to be two days, but it's before
39:11
Speaker 12: the full federal court, so it'll be a very substantial
39:15
Speaker 12: decision with wide ranging implications.
39:19
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it'll be a dramatic day in court tomorrow.
39:21
Speaker 3: We'll have all the details here tomorrow night, Chris, thank
39:24
Speaker 3: you very much, and so make sure you're watching tomorrow
39:28
Speaker 3: night eight o'clock final show before the election from me.
39:31
Speaker 3: But also we will have news on how that hearing went,
39:34
Speaker 3: now still to come, how alban Easy's wild spending could
39:38
Speaker 3: see a ratings downgrade, and how to impact on your loans.
39:41
Speaker 3: Plus Liberal Senator Holly Hughes won't hold back when she
39:44
Speaker 3: tells us what she really thinks of the campaign strategy.
39:48
Speaker 2: That's after this quick break.
39:53
Speaker 3: Well, as we've been discussing tonight the Tills are in
39:56
Speaker 3: a world of pain with campaign scandals mounting by day.
40:01
Speaker 3: Or to discuss let's bring in liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
40:04
Speaker 2: Holly go to see Hey Shari. So we've had the
40:07
Speaker 2: Minique Ryan scandal. She's had more than anyone.
40:09
Speaker 13: But then also, which one are we talking about? Yeah,
40:12
Speaker 13: we need to clarify which many teal makes.
40:17
Speaker 3: I was driving dropping kids at school this morning when
40:19
Speaker 3: I heard Ben Fordham interview Sophie Scomps.
40:22
Speaker 2: And it was just so appalling. I don't know if
40:25
Speaker 2: you heard it, but.
40:26
Speaker 3: The way she said if I offend it.
40:31
Speaker 13: It's the apology without an apology, and it's so appalling.
40:35
Speaker 13: I mean, if you're bringing people's children, and particularly children
40:38
Speaker 13: who died so that family is going through horrific grief
40:41
Speaker 13: and she's using that grief to score political points over
40:44
Speaker 13: climate change. I mean it is These were the politicians
40:48
Speaker 13: of integrity, kindness. They were going to do it differently,
40:51
Speaker 13: and they're disgusting and they are reaching at the bottom
40:54
Speaker 13: of the barrel at every opportunity, whether it is pulling
40:57
Speaker 13: down signs and husbands doing those of dirty jobs for you,
41:01
Speaker 13: or whether it's the CCP helping out manning booths, or
41:05
Speaker 13: whether it's now dragging in a grieving family to push
41:07
Speaker 13: a climate change agenda.
41:09
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. But you think they get back in or
41:11
Speaker 2: who do you think loses?
41:12
Speaker 13: Oh well, you know all of them would be my hope.
41:15
Speaker 13: I think that might be pushing a little bit too much.
41:17
Speaker 13: I think mon aik Ryan is in trouble. I think
41:20
Speaker 13: Emelia Haim is a great candidate in Kojong, and I
41:22
Speaker 13: think Monique should be in trouble. Goldstain looks like we
41:27
Speaker 13: could pick that back up with Tim Wilson. Kate Cheney
41:31
Speaker 13: I think is in a lot of trouble in Curtain.
41:33
Speaker 13: I was been over in Wa and they're doing a
41:35
Speaker 13: great job over there.
41:36
Speaker 2: With Tom So hearing that as well.
41:38
Speaker 13: Yeah so, But I think Sophie Scompsy mckela has really
41:41
Speaker 13: kind of shown the grub that she is. I mean
41:43
Speaker 13: a Legrasvender, I'd be too late, might be too late,
41:46
Speaker 13: you know.
41:47
Speaker 2: And this is the thing, there's so many.
41:49
Speaker 13: Votes that have already been lodged. But you know, Allegraspender
41:53
Speaker 13: forgot she was on seven boards. I mean, like, how
41:57
Speaker 13: does that relate to people who are struggling with cost
41:59
Speaker 13: of living. When you forget you've got seven directorships, I.
42:03
Speaker 3: Mean that'll be a tight contest in went Worth between
42:05
Speaker 3: her and Roe Notox.
42:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that'll be a close one. I think.
42:09
Speaker 3: Look, I want to ask you your thoughts and the
42:11
Speaker 3: Coalition campaign. You're an outgoing senator, so perhaps you don't
42:15
Speaker 3: have to be as careful as everyone else.
42:17
Speaker 2: What do you think could have been better?
42:20
Speaker 13: Look, I feel like the last couple of days have
42:22
Speaker 13: been not just from the colligion, from every side, even
42:26
Speaker 13: the Teals and Labor and everyone. This sort of almost
42:28
Speaker 13: feels this chaos as are up to in the last
42:30
Speaker 13: three or four days, and whether it's just too little,
42:33
Speaker 13: too late to really engage the electorate properly, because as
42:36
Speaker 13: we said, for nearly four million people have already voted.
42:40
Speaker 13: But I think for me what's been disappointing. I think
42:43
Speaker 13: Darts has done a great job. I think Peter Dutton's
42:45
Speaker 13: been out there every day, working really really hard and
42:48
Speaker 13: doing his best to get our positive message and change
42:51
Speaker 13: plans out there. But I looked at Labor and they've
42:55
Speaker 13: got Murray Watt as their attack dog, and I don't
42:59
Speaker 13: know who else is and the fact, we've got a
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Speaker 13: prime minister who is an out and out liar. This
43:03
Speaker 13: is someone who lied about falling off stage when it's
43:06
Speaker 13: on camera. He lied about your two hundred and seventy
43:09
Speaker 13: five dollars coming off. He lied about the Chinese warships
43:12
Speaker 13: and when they learn about the live fire exercises. He's
43:15
Speaker 13: now been found what did Joe hild a Brand call
43:17
Speaker 13: it tactical obscation? Obscation I can't even say that word,
43:21
Speaker 13: but it's a lie, Joe, it's a lie.
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Speaker 1: But you know he was.
43:24
Speaker 13: He's been caught lying now about Russia and Indonesia. This
43:27
Speaker 13: guy's an out in mountli takes on the Rocks recipes
43:30
Speaker 13: like everything, everything he lies about and that it just
43:34
Speaker 13: doesn't seem to have landed in the electorate. I mean,
43:37
Speaker 13: you cannot believe a word that this guy says. And
43:40
Speaker 13: you know it was clonel today, Andrew Clanel at the
43:43
Speaker 13: Press Club. You know, an hour of my life I'll
43:44
Speaker 13: never get back after watching that. But it was Clonail
43:47
Speaker 13: that asked him some of those questions and you know
43:49
Speaker 13: we're in a more friendly time slot for it. But
43:51
Speaker 13: caught him out like Malcolm Fraser did with the bullshit
43:53
Speaker 13: of the press gallery and that's I mean, to watch
43:56
Speaker 13: that press club today, it was like he was hanging
43:58
Speaker 13: out with his best mates.
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Speaker 2: It was Sydney, it really was. That showed the camera
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Speaker 2: above to a tea. Absolutely absolutely, But well that has
44:08
Speaker 2: been an issue as well.
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Speaker 3: I mean we've been covering it and when I interviewed
44:11
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton on Monday, he said to me he called
44:15
Speaker 3: the press pat traveling with him activists, not journalists.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, So many reporters now are not journalists. I did
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Speaker 13: journalism when I started after university, and I can tell
44:25
Speaker 13: you we were taught to be impartial. That was our
44:27
Speaker 13: role was to look at the facts and then give
44:31
Speaker 13: every sort of angle of a story and try and
44:34
Speaker 13: tease it out. Now they come in with an agenda
44:37
Speaker 13: and push that agenda. They're not journalists. They certainly didn't
44:41
Speaker 13: get the same education I got when it came to
44:43
Speaker 13: being a journal But I do you know, I'm frightened
44:48
Speaker 13: for Australia when you look at the policy that Labor
44:51
Speaker 13: and the Greens have around and realized super it's an
44:54
Speaker 13: inheritance and a death tax, and yet that just hasn't
44:58
Speaker 13: come through.
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Speaker 2: And you know the superannuation.
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Speaker 13: It's going to upset family farmers and it's not index
45:03
Speaker 13: the three million, so it's going to affect more and
45:05
Speaker 13: more Australians every year.
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Speaker 2: Holly Hughes, so good to see you as always.
45:09
Speaker 3: Thanks very next week now after the break, Just how
45:13
Speaker 3: serious is this risk from Albanize spending to our triple
45:17
Speaker 3: A credit rating? And could Labor extend its policy on
45:20
Speaker 3: taxing unrealized capital gains?
45:22
Speaker 2: It's after this break, all right, welcome back.
45:28
Speaker 3: Let's speak to the economics correspondent for The Australian, Matthew Cranston.
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Speaker 2: Matt, thanks for joining us tonight.
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Speaker 3: Look, this was a very shocking warning from ratings agencies
45:38
Speaker 3: down and Pause this week that we could lose our
45:41
Speaker 3: triple A credit rating because of structural spending, off budget
45:45
Speaker 3: spending and.
45:46
Speaker 2: The debt levels.
45:48
Speaker 3: Do you get the sense that the government is taking
45:50
Speaker 3: this seriously enough?
45:55
Speaker 14: Well, I think judging by his response, he's obviously thought
45:59
Speaker 14: that he had to do something. He came out into
46:01
Speaker 14: a press conference on it, so at least rhetorically he
46:04
Speaker 14: thinks it's important and rhetorically he thinks it's worth taking seriously.
46:11
Speaker 14: He keeps on obviously talking about the seventy eight billion
46:15
Speaker 14: dollar deficit that the coalition left behind, which which isn't accurate,
46:20
Speaker 14: it's the thirty billion dollar one.
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Speaker 1: But I think that he's also.
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Speaker 2: This is the prime minister you mean or the treasurer.
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Speaker 14: No, this is the treasurer.
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Speaker 1: This is Jim Jim Charmers.
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Speaker 14: But I think when it comes to the actions and
46:34
Speaker 14: the request of the ratings agencies, it does come down
46:39
Speaker 14: to both both sides of politics. But it's just he's
46:43
Speaker 14: in the box seat. He's the one that's got to
46:47
Speaker 14: think about all these deficits going forward. But the big risk,
46:51
Speaker 14: I think is that he doesn't take it seriously. And
46:55
Speaker 14: part of that is because a lot of the bond
46:57
Speaker 14: markets and a lot of the people that look at
46:59
Speaker 14: ratings agencies now they say the ratings agencies don't make
47:04
Speaker 14: a difference, they don't have an impact. This is what
47:06
Speaker 14: they think. When the US lost its tip of a
47:09
Speaker 14: credit rating to double a plus, the markets didn't respond
47:14
Speaker 14: very strongly to that didn't it didn't really increase the
47:17
Speaker 14: cost of debt dramatically very quickly, And so there's this
47:22
Speaker 14: danger that you can be complacent and think, well, it
47:25
Speaker 14: doesn't really matter so much and I can just slide
47:29
Speaker 14: by and let the next few years just keep on
47:32
Speaker 14: spending big and taxing big.
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Speaker 3: But it does matter because, of course, yeah, the consequence
47:38
Speaker 3: isn't just servicing the nation's debt. But you know, how
47:42
Speaker 3: could this flow onto mortgages and other loans like business loans.
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Speaker 14: Well, I mean just take for example, when when a
47:51
Speaker 14: ratings agency isn't on top of things and isn't constantly assessing,
47:57
Speaker 14: you know, the fiscal management of a country or the
48:00
Speaker 14: risk within certain products such as credit default swaps during
48:04
Speaker 14: the which ultimately led to the GFC. This is the
48:09
Speaker 14: subprime crisis. The ratings agencies didn't do anything there and
48:15
Speaker 14: it blew it all up. But when it comes to
48:18
Speaker 14: debt and sovereign debt, it does trickle down because if
48:21
Speaker 14: you start to reprice the cost of government debt and
48:25
Speaker 14: triple a debt and it comes down, then that flows
48:28
Speaker 14: through because all borrowing costs in Australia and around the
48:33
Speaker 14: world are really based on the risk free rate, which
48:35
Speaker 14: is government debt like US treasuries, and it's the same
48:38
Speaker 14: sort of thing in Australia as well. The risk free
48:40
Speaker 14: rate sort of thing is what you'd pay for a
48:43
Speaker 14: government bond and that's what mortgages are priced on, and
48:47
Speaker 14: if that goes up, then your mortgage cost goes up
48:49
Speaker 14: as well. It's all based on that.
48:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Matt, I just want to quickly ask
48:53
Speaker 3: you about the focus on Labour's tax policy on unrealized
48:59
Speaker 3: capital gains be concerning many people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Well, look, I'm still a gased at because I've come
49:08
Speaker 14: back from being a correspondent in Washington and come back
49:11
Speaker 14: into this environment and seen so little debated about it.
49:16
Speaker 14: People will say, oh, no, we had that debate a
49:17
Speaker 14: few years ago, why are you bringing it up now?
49:20
Speaker 14: And I'm like a serious like, this is a middle
49:23
Speaker 14: of an election campaign. This is the time where you
49:24
Speaker 14: actually have to discuss these policies. People will say, oh,
49:28
Speaker 14: it's not legislated. Well, yeah, of course, but this is
49:31
Speaker 14: this is the whole point. You discuss it before it
49:34
Speaker 14: gets legislated.
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Speaker 7: But what is it.
49:35
Speaker 14: It's it's probably one of the most horrendous taxes you
49:38
Speaker 14: can bring in. It's an essentially it's taxing again that
49:44
Speaker 14: you have made on an asset, but you haven't sold it.
49:47
Speaker 14: And so it can be anything on paper, it could
49:49
Speaker 14: be properly, it could be Yeah, it's exactly you could
49:53
Speaker 14: You could have an investment in a company and you
49:55
Speaker 14: might not have any cash, and it could go right up.
49:59
Speaker 3: And so you're out of time. But love your work
50:02
Speaker 3: now that you're the OZ. Great to see you, all right,
50:05
Speaker 3: Do not miss tomorrow night's show. It's the last one
50:08
Speaker 3: before the election. I'm gonna give you my endorsement who
50:11
Speaker 3: I think should be the next government.
50:14
Speaker 2: Here's Paul Murray.