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154. [Louisiana] Zack & Addie · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 2: going to Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Because this week marks the twentieth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina,
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  Speaker 2: we record the podcast, and I'm always referring to things
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  Speaker 2: I said in the podcast and.
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  Speaker 3: So and then it comes out before.
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  Speaker 2: The podcast, and then it's confusing for Everybody's confusing for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know I easily get confused.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you're a simple person.
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  Speaker 3: What.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to be covering the Zach and Addy
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  Speaker 2: case out of Louisiana. So I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 2: heard of it or not, but it is quite the
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  Speaker 2: story that it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and yes, it has been done a couple of
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  Speaker 3: times on different podcasts, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't feel like I feel like it's
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  Speaker 2: there's a couple of shows about it. ABC had one
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  Speaker 2: called Final Witness, but they don't have it on that
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  Speaker 2: show on the air, Like you can't even get it
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  Speaker 2: on Hulu or anything. So there's and there was a
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  Speaker 2: documentary done about it. However you can't get that either.
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  Speaker 3: So it's right, it's the documentary.
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  Speaker 2: I think the problem behind No, it's not no, he
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  Speaker 2: just he made a documentary about it, and then just
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  Speaker 2: it's not available. I don't know. Some guy, some guy
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  Speaker 2: made a documentary about it. You can't get it anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a website, it doesn't go to anything. You
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  Speaker 2: can't get this documentary. I don't know. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it's very disturbing. So I think it's just too disturbing
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  Speaker 2: for Dateline.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to touch it. No, but did didn't they?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. But he's like main He's like
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  Speaker 2: main mainstream at this point, this is Dahmer esque, you know. Yes, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so not full on da Stu had his own horror
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  Speaker 2: show tonight because I was telling him. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so work provides lunch for us, so today I went over.
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  Speaker 2: So one of our office has food trucks, the other
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  Speaker 2: one has like it has the kitchen that's in the building.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm tired of the food that
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  Speaker 2: they cook at the kitchen or whatever. So I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going over the food truck and have lunch with
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  Speaker 2: one of my friends that works at the other office.
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  Speaker 2: I know, shocker, yes. So I go over there and
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  Speaker 2: this the dessert this time was a Snickers ice cream bar,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, that's weird because normally they give
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  Speaker 2: you something that carries are like that you can like
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  Speaker 2: that you don't need a refrigerator for or whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: I was like, they're like, you want it. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll get it. You know, maybe i'll finish my lunch
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  Speaker 2: then I'll eat it first, so or eat it real quick. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I got to chit chat with her, so it's sitting
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  Speaker 2: over there, and so it starts melting. So I tell
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  Speaker 2: her when I'm like, oh my god, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about my Snickers ice cream bar. I said,
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  Speaker 2: it's melt over. She's like, oh, it'll be fun. I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's an ice cream I show Oh. She's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: here's a paper towel.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, just eat it in paper towel.
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  Speaker 2: That's how you when you asked how the paper towel
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  Speaker 2: ended up there. So she's like, here, take this paper
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  Speaker 2: towel and everything that. So I'm like, I get in
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  Speaker 2: the car, I'm like, no, I don't. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: try to eat this or whatever this is. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't a Snickers ice bar forever. So it is
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  Speaker 2: like pretty squishy. Well I open up immediately, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I can't eat this or whatever. So I was going
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  Speaker 2: to a doctor's appointment, so I wrap it in the
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  Speaker 2: paper towel and I'm like, I'm gonna throw it away
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  Speaker 2: when I go into the doctor's office.
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  Speaker 3: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 2: But I forgot about that, Yes, So I laid it
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  Speaker 2: there in the paper.
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  Speaker 3: Towel on the car seat.
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  Speaker 2: No, and not on the car seat, it was on
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  Speaker 2: the console area. It would have been real nightmare to
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  Speaker 2: clean up down there in my car. This is also
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  Speaker 2: in my RAB four that's got hell damage, so it's
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  Speaker 2: not like it's in the fancy Toyota CN. Okay. Well anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so I go about my day completely forgot about it
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  Speaker 2: until like just a while ago, and so it's late
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  Speaker 2: and so I was like, oh my, so I'm telling this.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh my god, I forgot to throw
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  Speaker 2: away and he's like, where's it out in the car?
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, come outside with me because I'm scared
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  Speaker 2: and because you don't want to get murdered in this
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  Speaker 2: neighborhood anyway, so we go outside. Thankfully it had leaked,
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  Speaker 2: but the paper towel caught a lot of it. But
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  Speaker 2: that's all. He's like, you have it in a paper towel.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like yeah. So I was like, oh, I'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you about it whenever. So that's how I ended up
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  Speaker 2: in the paper towel.
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  Speaker 3: That's a terrible story. You should have taken the paper
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  Speaker 3: town thrown in trash can before he even went to
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  Speaker 3: a doctor's appointment.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I should have never opened it, but I had
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  Speaker 2: a high hopes. I was like, maybe the chocolatey part
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  Speaker 2: is just containing the ice cream portion, but it was not. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: that's the story.
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  Speaker 3: You're in Midland, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: That's the other thing. It's hot here, so anyways, and
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  Speaker 2: then I was also going to tell everybody if you
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  Speaker 2: are partaking in Starbucks seasonal items because PSL seasons officially
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  Speaker 2: started yesterday. It's got a season, yes, However, it is
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  Speaker 2: like one hundred degrees here still, so and I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: feeling very pumpkiny in that weather. But they do have
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  Speaker 2: an iced pecan crunch oat milk espresso or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like ten out of ten, so one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Go try that one if you're not in the mood
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  Speaker 2: for pumpkin flavors. To celebrate, you know, celebrate what Taylor
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  Speaker 2: Swift getting a gay and a new album.
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  Speaker 3: So twenty years since Katrina, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty years since Katrina. Anyways, all right, so let's go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and get into this week's episode out of Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: So this one's gonna be a little bit different. We're
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  Speaker 2: just gonna kind of tell you the story, Stu. I
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  Speaker 2: know the other ones we tell the story, but I feel.
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  Speaker 3: Like this one's kind of how is that different from
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  Speaker 3: any other time?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So all right, so we start with We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: start with Zach Bowen, who moved to Louisiana.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I have questions about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they they he moved to Louisiana in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: five around at the.
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  Speaker 3: Road trip with his dad. They stopped in New Orleans,
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  Speaker 3: of course, so was that what they said? Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: what they were saying. They stopped in New Orleans. His
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  Speaker 3: dad's like, okay, let's go son, and he's like, eh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was seventeen at the time. I guess he
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  Speaker 2: just really liked the New Orleans lifestyle. Did they say
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  Speaker 2: where he was from?
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  Speaker 3: I don't recall.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I I feel like I wrote that
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  Speaker 2: down somewhere. But then, okay, we'll circle back because I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I wrote this down, so when you're talking,
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  Speaker 2: I'll look it up. Anyways, So they go on a
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  Speaker 2: road trip I guess, to New Orleans with his dad.
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  Speaker 2: His dad heads back and he's like, I'm staying there.
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  Speaker 2: I guess he was seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, but they can do whatever he wants. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so well he's well dad wasn't in the show, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but his mom seemed pretty normal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, his mom was in it, but I don't know
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  Speaker 3: why dad wasn't in it. Talks me maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Dad's he just dropped his entire family, Like he might have.
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  Speaker 3: Kept on going to Florida, I don't know, or gone
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  Speaker 3: to California. I don't know which way he was going.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So Zach he during this time, he met
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  Speaker 2: a woman named Lona and they started a relationship. Well,
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  Speaker 2: she becomes pregnant pretty quickly, and that's when he reveals
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  Speaker 2: to her that he is only seventeen years old and
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  Speaker 2: she is twenty seven. So I don't think in Louisiana
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  Speaker 2: that's statutory.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think you can get married at seventeen, maybe
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  Speaker 3: even six.
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  Speaker 2: Louisiana is like a Lucy Gus. They're a little loose
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  Speaker 2: down there with those laws. Oklahoma, louis I mean Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 2: I think you can marry like a cousin or something.
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  Speaker 3: Sacks a little loose maybe first, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. So she tells him that she's going to keep
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  Speaker 2: the baby and that it's his decision what he wants
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  Speaker 2: to do with it, or do with his involvement or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But she's going forward with the pregnancy. Well, he decides
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be in the baby's life and he
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  Speaker 2: wants to start a family. So he proposes to Lana,
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  Speaker 2: and at this point in time, they've had the child.
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  Speaker 2: He's nineteen and she's twenty eight. Now, by May of
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  Speaker 2: two thousand, Zack and Launa had another child and they're
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  Speaker 2: needing to pay the bills, So Zach decides to join
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  Speaker 2: the military. Now, after returning from deployment, Zach had a
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  Speaker 2: complete personality change, and this was most likely due to
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  Speaker 2: his service in the military and what he saw was
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  Speaker 2: exposed to during that time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they said that he befriended a little Iraqi kid
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  Speaker 3: and the Taliban found out. So not only did they
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  Speaker 3: kill the little boy, they just wiped out the entire family.
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  Speaker 3: And he found out about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he you know, like he had a
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  Speaker 2: best friend that was hit by a I think IUD
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  Speaker 2: or something right.
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  Speaker 3: By ied I not an IUD. He might have been
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  Speaker 3: hit by an IUD at some point in his life.
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  Speaker 2: A felled iu D anyways, an ied whatever. Anyway, So
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  Speaker 2: he's And also they said his mom was pretty shocked
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  Speaker 2: that he joined the military because this was not he was.
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  Speaker 3: She was crying that he got married to a woman
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  Speaker 3: ten years older than him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she was upset that he was. I have
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  Speaker 2: questions about the mother, Okay, I have fun.
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  Speaker 3: She seemed a little calm.
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  Speaker 2: No, she seemed a little hyper focused on her son
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  Speaker 2: and not the fact that he created a human or
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  Speaker 2: two and didn't really seem to care about them. But Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into that later. But I mean, yes, he
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  Speaker 2: but the fact is he was seventeen. He did get
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  Speaker 2: someone pregnant. So no matter his age, he needs to
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  Speaker 2: take responsibility and support the child. That's his problem that
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to fuck around and find out at seventeen
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  Speaker 2: quite literally. Anyways, So what was I saying? Oh, she
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  Speaker 2: was saying that him joined the military was like completely
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  Speaker 2: out of left field. This was not like on his
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to be an English teacher, Like that's his
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  Speaker 2: more of his demeanor than say, being wanting to join
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  Speaker 2: the military.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well he was like, hey, I got to get
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  Speaker 3: some money. I got some health care for these kids
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  Speaker 3: and the wife and this, that and the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was trying to take responsibility and this
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  Speaker 2: was out of necessity that he needed to join the
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  Speaker 2: military to provide for his family. So whenever he returns
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  Speaker 2: from Iraq, him and Laana began having problems and they
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  Speaker 2: did eventually split and divorce. Now, during this time, Zach
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  Speaker 2: is still done with his untreated PTSD from his time
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  Speaker 2: in Iraq. However, he did not talk about it with anybody.
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  Speaker 2: This was all kept to himself. He didn't really see
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  Speaker 2: he struggling. He just kind of used other things like
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  Speaker 2: alcohol to cope with.
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  Speaker 3: His pills, alcohol or whatever. I'm not even sure how
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  Speaker 3: we got the story out of him about the Iraqi boy,
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  Speaker 3: unless it was the buddy said something about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been because he kept they said,
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  Speaker 2: he kind of kept like a jovial personality even when
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  Speaker 2: he after he came back, but it was all kind
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  Speaker 2: of a mask.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he kept everything real close to the vesta, according
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  Speaker 3: to what they were saying. Now, by the summer of
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and five, Zach was working the overnight shift
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  Speaker 3: at the bar in the quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Now there is an overnight shift because the bars in
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  Speaker 2: the French Quarter stay open until like four or five. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we're starting a new day, you know, so there is
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  Speaker 2: an overnight crowd.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they just closed long enough to clean
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  Speaker 3: the puke and pay.
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  Speaker 2: Well. They have to close legally. I think I've read
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  Speaker 2: this before. They have to close legally for like an
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  Speaker 2: hour or two. It's like two hours or something. They
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  Speaker 2: have to legally close and to reopen, so they're at
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  Speaker 2: the they run that requirement. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you got to clean the bar at
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  Speaker 3: some point. Anyway, he did very well with the customers,
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  Speaker 3: especially the ladies, and they liked him because he do
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  Speaker 3: these cheesy little magic tricks and he was very charismatic,
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  Speaker 3: just as myself. Now, this is where he met Addie Hall.
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  Speaker 2: What do you really want to compare yourself to him?
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  Speaker 3: Stewards and charisma, Yeah, I'm charismatic. Addie worked the shift
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  Speaker 3: after him, so she would come in, they would interact,
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  Speaker 3: and they quickly fell for each other. Kara, Addie had
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  Speaker 3: a very different personality than Zach. She was a free spirit,
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  Speaker 3: bohemian type of personality. She taught dance lessons, she wrote poetry,
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  Speaker 3: and she lived the lifestyle of the bohemian loves to
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  Speaker 3: travel type stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. Well, I take it back. I wrote
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  Speaker 2: that they Some people said they fail for each other instantly,
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  Speaker 2: but then come to find out it did take her
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had to work on her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had to work her down a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But once they did fall, they get to that point they.
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  Speaker 3: Were madly in love.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Now, one of the original reasons she wasn't initially interested
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  Speaker 3: in Zach was because he had been in the military
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  Speaker 3: and she didn't think that she would fall for the
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  Speaker 3: type of guy that would be in the military. But
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  Speaker 3: the one thing that they did share was their love
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  Speaker 3: of alcohol and drugs. Zach was telling everybody in his
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  Speaker 3: life that he had met the love of his life
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  Speaker 3: and that they were soulmates. However, Zach was hiding things
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  Speaker 3: for Maddie, such as he didn't tell her about his
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  Speaker 3: wife and children or previous wife and children, so he
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  Speaker 3: was already beginning to hide things from her. By the
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  Speaker 3: time she found out about his previous life, she was
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  Speaker 3: already in love with him, and so she decided to
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  Speaker 3: stay with him despite him basically lying to her or
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  Speaker 3: through omission about the ex wife and.
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  Speaker 2: Children lying through a mission. I also want to say
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  Speaker 2: so just about Addie, she also had the reason she
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  Speaker 2: was using her drink a lot and things like that
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  Speaker 2: because she was severely sexually abused as a child. She's
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  Speaker 2: from North Carolina. She went through all sorts of trauma
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  Speaker 2: in her childhood, and that's how she end up in
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  Speaker 2: New Orleans. She's trying to run away from this life
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  Speaker 2: and start over, and so she's naturally.
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  Speaker 3: Going to probably self medicate.
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  Speaker 2: Self medicate, and then seek out what ends up being
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  Speaker 2: someone like Zach, because that's just kind of like they're
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  Speaker 2: repeating that cycle or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So they just fall into this codependent relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're both He's got PTSD that he's not
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  Speaker 2: dealing with, she's got childhood trauma that she's not dealing with.
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  Speaker 2: And their way that they're masking it is with alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: So as you can imagine and things go, it's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: It's a perfect storm, as was Hurricane Katrina. So as
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  Speaker 2: would say, yes, in August of two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina was barreling towards Louisiana. Now at this point,
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  Speaker 2: Lana had contacted Zach because it's we just watched the
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  Speaker 2: Netflix documentary on Hurricane Katrina, and we watched the one
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  Speaker 2: on I want to say it was National Geographic on
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  Speaker 2: the Hurricane Katrina.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I think it was that I liked that one better
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: than the Netflix one.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Well, the other one was longer. I feel like it
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: went more into detail anyway, So Hurricane Katrina was just briefly,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: if you're not familiar, in two thousand and five, it's
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: coming towards Louisiana. Apparently it made landfall in Florida as
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: a Cat one, but then re entered the Gulf. In
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: that warm water gain. Yeah, so it got up to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: a Cat five and then that's when they're like literally
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: like twelve hours before it's supposed to make landfall. They're
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: like anatory evacuations. Well, what they happened was you have
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people that look New Orleans is one
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: of those places a few places in the United States
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: that you can get away with not having a vehicle.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: They have public transportation, there's a lot of things, especially
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: if you live in the French Quarter or something, a
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: lot of it's walking it. Even those neighbor the neighborhoods
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: like in the Lower ninth ward, those those neighborhoods, they
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: are within walking distance to a grocery store. A lot
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of people got around on bikes, so you didn't actually
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: need a car. And then on top of that, Louisiana
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: in general is poor, but parts of New Orleans are
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: very poor. So then you have people that don't have
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the means to just call up and be like, Hey,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out and save me a hotel room
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: up in this town. I'm gonna you know, here's my
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: credit card. I'll be there in a couple hours. Like
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: they didn't have that option, so they a lot of
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: those people in those lower wards they stayed to ride out.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Not to mention also, oh yes they had a mandatory evacuation.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yes it was done too late. But unless you've lit
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: it sounds bad if you haven't been in an area
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: that has hurricanes. But hurricanes are pretty much like a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: diamond dozen. Like, no, if you live in Luise, like
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: on the coastline, there's a hurricane and it's always the
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: worst one and it's always coming to.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Take you out and before.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And it never happens. So then you evacuate, and then
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: then nothing happens, and then works like why the fuck
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: aren't you here because I evacuated, Yeah, so I understand
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: where they're coming. And then also they said another factor
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: was because of the finances. It was the end of
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the month and nobody had any money. I mean like
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you hadn't got paid yet for your to get gas
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: money and stuff. And then even when they got in
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the car, the lines were so long they were running
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: out of gas on the Anyways, watch some of those
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: documentaries because it was it's horrific what you see what
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: everybody went through. But where Zach and Addie were so
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: probably you would think like the French Quarter. They didn't
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: actually get flooded.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, the water came up, but it didn't get
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: flooded flooded, No.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: They had the water receded quickly and they were just
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: basically without you know, electricity and things like that. But
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: we'll get into that. So anyway, so that's kind of
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit about Hurricane Katrina. Oh and the other
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: big thing was because the hurricane actually came in as
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: a category three and it wasn't too like the winds
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: were high and everything like that. But why are you
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: looking at me?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: You're sitting in front. Ok.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: It came in as a category three, but the still
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the winds were like one hundred and fifty miles per hour.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And then if you're familiar with hurricanes, there's a good
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: side of the storm and a bad side of the storm.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, rotates in a counterclockwise direction, so anyway, so.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: They are getting gust of wind one hundred and fifty
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: miles per hour. It's ripping off.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: The super dome. They actually got lucky because the eyewall
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: was supposed to pass right over New Orleans, but then
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: it jogged to the right a little bit toward the
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: land mass between New Orleans and mobile as they said
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: on the name they called, which is Gulf Port Biloxi, which.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: They got completely ripped apart, like no one even but
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: no Orleans was so bad that that loss, so they
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: didn't get as much attention. But that completely like leveled
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: that whole entire area. And that's a real popular area
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: down yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Past Christian all the way to what Waveling Biloxi all that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: It was pretty much a lot of those houses were
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: just pick clean right off the beach, just swept away.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the real problem was to that the hurricane passes.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Oh that's what I was gonna say. So it jog
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: left so that I didn't pass over them. So they
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: were on the left hand side of the storm. So
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: they got the wind as it came around, so as
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: it as it slowed down coming around as what, but it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Was still one hundred and fifty miles per hour wind
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: gusts things like that ripped out windows off, you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the roof off the superdome all this stuff.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Anyways, Yeah, out all the windows in the hotel room.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So anyway, so they're they're making it through this. They
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: get through the hurricane and then that's when it everybody
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, we made it, like you know, everybody's okay.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Then the levees breached and then that's when it all
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: went fucking downhill. Yes, So anyway, so that's the big
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: part of it. They would have been fine with just
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the hurricane. They could have been They would have been fine.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It would have been like they were actually right about
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: not evacuating because they actually were fine, you know, with
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: that hurricane that it was bad, But yeah, it wasn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: traumatic or I mean, it wasn't like just like this
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: horrific storm that ripped through everything, like Hurricane Harvey that
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: came and just dumped rain. That was the hurricane did
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: that this. It was the levees breaching that did the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: most damage. So anyway, So at this point, like I said, Lana,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: she's contacted Zach. She didn't have a vehicle to evacuate
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: with their children, so she asked him if he would
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: help her or at least come over there and be
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: with them to ride out the storm.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: So, like a good dad, no with his girlfriend.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Because she was just afraid. You know, she's worried about
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: she's got these two small children. You know, she's just
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: stressed out as you know, it wasn't like a thing like, oh,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: come over because I'm trying to steal your man back
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: or whatever. She was concerned about her children. I'm sure
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: her children would have been comforted having their father with
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: them while these wind is coming through and everything at that. Now,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: during this time, Addie was freaking out about the storm,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and she was very scared and she didn't want Zach
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to leave her and go with his ex wife and children.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So Zach chose to stay with Addie. Well, they decide
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to write out the storm in the French Quarter.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as Kara said, the Katrina hits New Orleans, devastates
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: the city. However, the French Quarter it's higher ground. The
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Central Business District they called the CBD. It's it's higher ground,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: so the levees breaking doesn't really get to there. They
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: do have pumps in the city that pumps water out
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: if it gets too high. Some of the pumps were down. Actually,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I don't even think they got the pumps fixed until
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: like the last two years that there hundred No, yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: they were because they were a misman in seen lots
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: of money.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, everybody that is in charge of New Orleans is
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in jail at this point. Yes, and they're currently some
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of them being indicted right now.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Well that's the new one. Yes, she is currently under indictment.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: You want to talk about everyone thinks Chicago and stuff
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: like that is corrupt, go to New Orleans. New Orleans
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is one of the most corrupt cities with like politician
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: police like people in charge.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they found out after Katrina how many ghost officers
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: were on the payroll, Like they have these people on
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: the payroll, but these officers never existed. It's like payroll fraud.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a friend whose mom worked at the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Orleans and I know there was.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Some some shady, some.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Shady stuff going on. So yeah, New Orleans is really
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: bad about corruption and things like that, with all their
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: politicians and police and things like that. But I was
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: going to say, oh, yeah, eighty percent of New Orleans
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: was underwater. However, like the French Quarter, it's right next
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: to Mississippi River and that's actually the highest point. The
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: lower parts that flooded real bad. They're below sea level
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and like in a I don't know if the French
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: court if they said it's just above sea level right
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: at sea level, it's it's just a little bit higher.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's they didn't. They got some water
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: that started coming in, but it receded really quickly, or
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the pumps pumped it out. I can't remember what it was.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: But all that happened Zach and Addy. After the fact,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: they start to thrive in this new environment like this,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: this this crazy, this chaos that's going on. They just,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know, for some reason.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: They thrive because they're.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Not because they're not really because they're they don't have
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: any real respects. They're on Yeah, they're on the fringe
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: of society.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: There's no communications to anybody. They they can basically use
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: this as an excuse for ignoring responsibility, responsibilities, ignoring his children,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: ignoring his ex wife.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah there was. Yeah, there was no paying bills. There's
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: nothing going on. There's with electricity to pay, there's no
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: anything Like.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody else, like the ex wife said, everybody else was
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: trying to build New Orleans back. They were hoping it
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: never went back to what it was because they thrived
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: in this this type of world where there's they just
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: they're you know what it is, because all they needed
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: was their good personalities to get by. Yeah, I mean,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and that don't mark in the real world, it only
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: gets you so far.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: It does yes, So with no real life struggles to
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: deal with besides their actual survival, they were able to
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: just cook on the streets and form a little community
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: in the area where they just cooked for everybody. They
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: were living their best lives and they were getting closer
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: and closer to each other. Zach during this time just
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: completely disregarded his children and his ex wife and he's
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: living in this bubble with Addie down in the French Quarter.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Zach and Addie would spend their days and nights hanging
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: out with other people in the area and they were
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: just hanging out, drinking. They even made it on the
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: covers of national newspapers and magazines with them photos of
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: them just cooking for the community out there.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were even interviewed by a news crew.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And that's where I'm saying, we're the mom, Like there's
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: something with the mom. So she she says that she
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: gets a call, he borrows the cell phone, he calls
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: his mom. He doesn't call to check on his children
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: or anything. No, he calls his mom. His mom's like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I was so thankful. It was just
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: like such joy to hear his voice and know he
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: was okay, And I want to be like, bitch, did
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you ask about your grandchildren? Like she never even mentioned
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the fact that she would have said to him like, hey,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: where are my grandchildren? Have you checked on them? She
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: didn't mention any of that stuff. She has talked about
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: how happy she was to hear I think she thinks
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I just hope it's bad editing on whoever did the
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: documentary part. But I don't think it is.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it easier because I think this
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: is just me in my opinion. But to me, she
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: go off the vibes of like this lady like run
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: my child's life because he was seventeen. But I don't know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: He said he was seventeen and he was working in
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: like bars. He probably did lie to her and say
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: he was older. I mean, like that's yeah, right on
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the edge of like being here.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was dancing in some club down.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a dancer and he and so she
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: probably just assumed he was of age or like in
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the age range of her. Anyways, it just felt like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, why didn't when you ask him, did
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you call and check on your children? Because he didn't
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: call and check on. We have the ex wife that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: says I didn't hear from him. The first time she
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: hears from him is she sees his freaking She finally
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: gets internet access, and she's looking at the Red Cross
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: victims like survivor's list.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: She's looking to say if he's dead, yeah, or.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Seeing if he's at some sort of uh when they're
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: keeping they're trying to keep track of So everybody's just
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: getting shipped all over the place, like whatever city can
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: take him, like Lofayette, Houston where I lived, Lufkin, we
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: got people people all down Iten were getting dropped off
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: at wherever could take people. And so they were they
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: had like a Red Cross or somebody had a list
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of names, so you'd register and then your loved ones
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: could look at the list and find out where you
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: were located, because you could be in San Antonio and
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: they could be in Lafayette, like you just don't know.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: So she's looking at that list and then she's clicking
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: around and she sees their freaking pictures on a website,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: hanging out with the with the Holten kittens, drinking a
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: glass of wine.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Stuff.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: She's like, you motherfuckers.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could tell Lana was she was trying to
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: keep together and not talk ill of Zach. Yes, too badly. Yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: because she knows that one day her children might see this. Yeah,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: so she was like you could see the face though
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: there was no hide in the face.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, because during all this, I understand that he had
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: PTSD untreated, But we are talking about he came back
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: at a time we were well aware of PTSD. At
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: this point. They had services for people coming back from
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the Iraq War, you know, to help them with things
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: like this. So I understand he had PTSD, but it
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't just completely give him a that he just has
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: excuse to just oh, well, he had PTSD, so he
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: could just do whatever whatever he wants. He can abandon
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: his children.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Smack up the wife, leave the house.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean we understand he had PTSD that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: was untreated and had mental health issues from the war,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: but he he had veterans benefits, so I believe he
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: could go get Yes, it said he had veterans. He
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: had VA benefits because he had certain medals and stuff
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that allowed him to have veterans benefits. Get his GI bill,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: but he got VA benefits.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because evidently he was sick of the army, so
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: he started failing physical fitness tests and all this stuff,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: so they'd put him out. So he got out on
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: other than honorable, which yes.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: But because of the medals he got received or whatever,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: he did get VA benefits. He just didn't get his
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: GI bill and all the other things. And then he
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: was mad about that.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: So, well, what do you expect when you get out,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: when you try and get out, Well.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, just you're not just have to. I
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: mean I think if you, I would assume that if
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: you went forward and told them about your issues mental
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: health issues, and they would get you resources.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: And then then you could have got a medical discharge
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and you'd have all.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You and then you have all your benefits and get percent.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: He was like a guy with an al toro. He uh.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: He decided he didn't want to be in a marine
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: corps anymore, so he just started doing weird things. He
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: made a no shave chip to where he could grow
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: a beard, but he created it himself. He didn't get
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: it from medical because sometimes if you have like a
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: skin condition, you don't have to shave your face, but
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: you got to have medical permission, not to shave. He
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: just created his own and then he made like a
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: little James Bond car with all these little switches in
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: his car on the dashboard.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you think he was making this up or
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: was he actually losing his minds too?
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, but he had he pulled the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: dashboard out of his car and he made all these
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: little switches and stuff, and little lights would pop up
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: and all this weird stuff. So they were repaving the
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: parking lot in the barracks. He didn't move his car.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: They bring theft in the forklift, picks up his car
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: to move it, and then they see all this wiring
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: in shit under his car and they're like, oh shit,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: there's this car is wired. We got to call EOD.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: He's actually I think he was losing his mind then,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: because he had no idea they were going to find
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: his car and think it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Was a There were signs all over the thing that
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: move your car because we're going to do it or
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: we're gonna have to tell you no.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But that they were going to see his car with
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: whatever was going on.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Well, he had like these little fireworks that let's.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Say also served before this. So if they had mental
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: health help back then then they definitely probably had it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Well, he didn't get mental health they they just put
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: him on legal hold and the U it took him
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: like twice as long to get out of the military
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: because he was on legal hold. It's like, dude, just
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: do your time and get out or go get.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Your medical anyway.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: So, but trying to game the system is all I'm saying.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, so he yes, he had the PTSD, but
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: we're not going to just give him a get out
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of jail free car.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, you said that five times, Okay, No.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I haven't three times. Okay, whatever. You start off on
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: some stupid.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Store about the time, the one time, the one time, okay,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: go on, it's not even my turn.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I thought it was your turn. You No, I just finished,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, so.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Time went on.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: No. Did you mention that they were enjoying all the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: attention they got from the new celebrity they received.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I might not have.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, they were enjoying the new celebrity they received from
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: being in the newspaper. They were soaking it up. So
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: they're living in this this alternate reality that's never going
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to go on forever. But they've got in their head.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that they're like, maybe maybe the city will
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: never come.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Back, Maybe maybe nobody will rebuild New Orleans and we'll
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: just live this way forever.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just disregard because this was in August, so you're
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: at least going into the cooler months. You want to
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: do that in freaking July.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: September must have been terrible.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is true. Okay. As time went on,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the city starts to rebuild, things start to get back
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to normal, and they have to go back to work.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I know, I had to go to New Orleans about
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: a month after all this went down to put in
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: a communications communications communications. Well, yeah, because it was for
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: cash so that the store the dish would connect to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the satellite so they could collect point of sale payments.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, they were worried about getting the money.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Well, the store was going, so yeah, they needed their money,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: So this little fairytale world that they were living in
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was now over and
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: we're back to just real life responsibilities coming back into
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: the picture, including Rona, who.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Was child sport.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Finally able to get a hold of Zach and she
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: is telling him that she needs help. She obviously she
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: can't work. There's like everything's shut down. Ain't nobody going
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: and looking. I don't know what she was doing at
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the time, but probably similar bartending, things like that, dancing,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: those things aren't and running. She's like, I need help financially.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: And she's also trying to work out some sort of
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: situations so that he can start seeing his children again because.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: They well, yeah, this is ten years after he met her,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: and she ain't twenty eight nomore, she's thirty eight now.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: If she's still dancing, so and if she is dancing at.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: The same clubs that she was able to get it,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: she's more like airport probably, and so those were all
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: closed down, So I don't know what she was doing
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: at the time for money. So at this time, Zach
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: goes to work at a grocery store because before he
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: was working at a bar, and Addie goes back to work,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: back to working at a bar.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Zach and Addie began abusing alcohol and drugs more heavily
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: as the reality of their situation set in.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: With both of their mental health issues in decline and
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: their drug and alcohol use on the rise, the fighting
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: began to intensify between the two of them. Friends of
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Zach can see that he's slowly starting to spiral under
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the pressure of this new life post Katrina.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, having too try to get pressure from his ex
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: wife about their children, pressure from Addie. All these things
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: are just building up and he can't handle it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Now Zach's jealousy is also starting to spiral out
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: of control. Addie worked at the bar and she would
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: dance on the bar, and she was kind of a
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: party girl. She loved the attention and entertaining the customers,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: so she was.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Like making that money. She's like, we got to make
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: some money.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she'd get up on the bar, she'd do like
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: some Kayodi ugly stuff or whatever, get some tips coming in.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: But if he was there at the bar, he would
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: get very jealous of the men that were looking at her.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: He would even show up and in the bar and
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: start fighting with her about her working at the bar
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: all together. It's like, what do you expect her to do?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's very few things. He's working at the grocery
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: store in this aftermath, because that's people need food and
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: then they also need to escape, so they're going to
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the bar. So those are two things for sure are
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: still in business after Hurricane katrinas it took years for
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: them to rebuild.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which you want her to work hourly for an
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: hourly rate or the earn tips she might be able
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: to bring in a couple hundred dollars a night doing
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: working at the bar. So Zach starts going to the
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: strip clubs and flirting with other women to get back
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: at Addie, and eventually he did cheat on her. Zach
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: also became physically abusive at this time, and he did
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: hit Addie supposedly for the first time. The next morning,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: he left her note and he was saying that he
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: was done, he was leaving town and he was going
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: to Washington State. He did actually leave, however, he changed
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: his mind and he came back, got back together with Addie,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: and this cycle of good times bad times continued on.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: They were saying that that they were getting into a
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: cycle of basically they would.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Break up every day, every twenty four hours.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Every twenty four hours, and he's getting more and more.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: They didn't go into how many times he was abusive
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: to her, but he was getting more violent. Now. On
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: October fourth, two thousand and six, things came to a
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: final head whenever Addie discovered that Zach had cheated on
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: her with not a woman but a man. So Addie,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: at this point they are living at eight twenty six
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: North Rampart Street in the French Quarter. It's actually a
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: little apartment over a voodoo shop.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I think it was a former voodoo shop now or no.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: At the time though it was yeah, yeah, so maybe
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: some things too got into I would never live over
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: a voodoo shop. I didn't even want to walk into
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: him whenever the first time, I was like, yeah, this
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: is some devil stuff.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: That was Marie Lebow's tourist shop.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, I was like, this is some bad juju. We
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: kick go. So anyway, so they're living over this voodoo shop.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So after she finds out that he was cheating on
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: with her man that with the man, she had found it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: She knew he had cheated on her before with women,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: but I guess with the man.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Was like break. She's like, I can't I can't compete
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I can't compete with the with the man, What am
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I going to do about that? So anyway, so she
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: heads down to the lease office and apparently Zach had
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: put the most of the deposit down, but she's over
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: there trying to get him taken off the lease so
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: that she can kick him out. The leasing manager is like, no,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you deal with this yourself. Work it out with your boyfriend.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I ain't getting into that in the middle, and so
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: she heads off to deal with Zach.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Evidently, that same evening, Addie decides that she's had enough
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: of Zach shit. She's gonna put him out. She's throwing
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: all the shit in the hallway. The whole time. She's
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: screaming at him, you cheated on me or with getting
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: with the dude. Like anybody that's in the building can
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: basically hear what she's saying.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: There isn't a buildings do It's just a voodoo chop.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I thought there was a second apartment upstairs. No, just
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the one.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: There was just the one. I believe all.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: The customers in the Buddho shop could hear then, Okay,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: so Zach ends up strangling.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: At all the voodoo dolls could hear it?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: They could. Zach ends up strangling Addie and then sexually
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: abuses her corpse and then passes out from the drugs
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: and alcohol that he had been taken.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he took in a large amount of He'd
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: been doing cocaine at this point and heavy heavy drinking.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Got a crash sometime, so he passed out next to
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: her dead body. The next day, he cranks the air
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: conditioner down to sixty degrees so it's like a to
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: preserve her body from decomposing too.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Well, he's trying to figure out what he's going to do.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, and then he heads to work as if nothing happened.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Everyone that worked with him said he was acting normal
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: and that nothing really seemed strange to them.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even like they said, just his happy personality that
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: he has, you know.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: While he is at work the next day, he was
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: thinking about what he was going to do with this
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: body that he has now in his apartment, and this
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: is where he came with a plan to cut her up.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: So the next few days he cuts her body up
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: with a knife and a handsaw. Still not knowing to
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: do what to do with the body parts, he decides
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: to start cooking the body parts and attempt to try
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: to make it easier to get rid of these parts. Eventually,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: like cook.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Him down, cut him down, so Dahmer.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Style, Well, Dahmer ate the bodies.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, supposedly, Zach did not eat the body part.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: No, we'll get into that later, but no. So anyway,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: so this is like horrific. He's now strangled this woman
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and now he's cutting up her body in this apartment
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: over this voodoo shop. I'm going I tell you it's
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: a horror movie. It's a horror movie. And it's it's
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: like days that he's doing this and he's going into
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: work like normal.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, because in between this happened on October fifth or.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Sixth and October fifth, uh.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on October fifth and on October seventeenth, two thousand
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: and six, New Orleans police receive a phone call from
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: the Omni Royal Hotel in the French Quarter. There was
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: a man's body on top of the parking garage. When
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: they arrived on the scene, they found a man with
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: a suicide note in his pocket that stated, this is
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: not accidental. I had to take my own life to
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: pay for the one I took. If you send a
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: patrol to eight twenty six North Rampart, you will find
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: the dismembered corpse of my girlfriend Addie in the oven,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: on the stove and in the fridge, along with a
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: full documentation on the both of us, and a fully
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: signed confession from myself, Zach Bowen.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Now, at this point police race over to this apartment
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: on Rampart Street, and upon entering the apartment they find
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: what looks like a horror movie. Now on the walls
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: were messages written in black spray paint. He'd written things
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: like I am a failure. Call Lana uh, and then
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: it had instructions about like because that's the mother his children,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: let her know. He had things like I'm I'll never
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: forgive myself, like all sorts of crazy things he'd written
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: all over the walls. Now, one of the messages he'd
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: drawn an arrow in the spray paint, and it pointed
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: to the stove, which he'd already said that's where things were.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: So yeah said looking here, and then on the stove
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: it said don't look in here.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I this is not funny. But like so he wrote
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: in the suicide note to where everything was, he points
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: an arrow to the stove, and then on the stove
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: it says, don't look so anyway. So the police officers
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: they head over to the stove where there were pots
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: with human body parts. So one pot had the head
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: burned to where it was unrecognizable, like it had been
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: boiled down or burned to a point where it was
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: like the skin when stuff was peeling away. And the
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: other one had her hands in her feet. Now on
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: like I said, on the oven says do not look.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: So they open it up and they're on like a
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: throwaway roasting pan is arms and legs, and they did
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: as a closer inspection, the arms and legs did have
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: seasoning on them, like he was cooking it for like
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: a roast in the oven. So then they open up
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: the refrigerator. There's a black trash bag and inside that
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: black trash bag is the Torso they also found things
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: like potatoes and carrots. Carrots next to the stove or
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: appeard that he was cutting them up. Possibly I think
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: he was spiraling, Yes, I think he was slowly spiraling,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: like how do I get rid of this body? And
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: he had gotten to the point was like, okay, I
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: have I'm gonna have to eat it and so and continue.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Remember he's on a he's on a bender during this
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: whole two weeks that he's he's on drugs and alcohol
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: this entire time.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So police pull up the video footage from the
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Omni Hotel and they see Zach. He's pacing back and forth.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: He's on the eighth floor. He walks to the edge
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: of a couple times. He's drinking his drink, he's at
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: the bar. The bartenders are thinking he's acting sketchy, like
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: he's going to skip out on the on the tab
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: as he's walking back and forth to the edge of
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: the looking over the from the eighth floor down.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was confusing because they say that, But
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: wouldn't they see him jump over? He must have gone
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: to another area.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Well, No, I think I think that they were thought
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: he was pacing because he was going to dash out
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: of the hotel. They didn't expect him to go that way,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: So I don't think they were looking that way for
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: him to jump. I think they were waiting for him
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: to go dashing out of the door drink his drink.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, but wouldn't they if they were paying attention to him,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: wouldn't they see him jump over the side?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: They might.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a couple of bartenders.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe they were busy.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe they were worried about the exit, and they didn't
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: actually think he would jump over the rail.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: But if they were looking at him, it wouldn't matter
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: if he went over the the rail or went to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the extra.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Well, they see him come toward the bar and then
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: he walks away and there like that, dude's weird. And
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: then they talked to the other.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Well they probably yes, so that you're saying that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: It only takes a second.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: But you were saying they were watching him pace near
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the railing. I don't think they were. I think they
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: saw him pacing in front of the bar and disappearing
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: to the side.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: So I'm saying the place for watching the camera of
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: him pacing, because they said that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: The bartenders were watching him pacing, I.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Said the camera, the people watching the cameras.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Anyways, he downs his drink and jumps off.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I was getting to that okay, despite appearing that he
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: was going to eat the body. When they performed the autopsy,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: they did not find any human remains in his stomach,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: but of course it had been twelve days since no but.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: He I think he was slowly getting to that point,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and that's when he was like this is too far,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Like I I shouldn't be here anymore, you know, I
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: gotta I gotta stop. So in ADDIE's journal, they found
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: his full confession. He stated that he strangled her around
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: one am on October fifth. He said it was very
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: he did it very calmly, and that it was quick.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: He walked police through his entire process of disposing the body,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: his thought process. He must have been journaling every day,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: is what I'm guessing. There was about eight pages because
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: he's he's walking him through his whole entire thought process
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: journal in her in her journal. Then he stated that
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: he in this journal, he said he was going to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: go ahead and go out with having a good time
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: with good friends, good drugs, and good strippers. So he
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: withdrew the last fifteen hundred dollars that he had to
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: his name and did just that. He said he had
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: a fantastic time living out his final days, and for
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: why he killed himself, he stated the following, I scared myself,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: not by the action of strangling the woman I've loved
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: for one and a half years, but by my entire
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: lack of remorse. So he didn't even feel bad about
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: doing this. That he realized he was like dead inside
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: basically from probably all the all the PTSD, all the
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: things he'd seen, all the alcohol, and drug abuse, and
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: he'd just been beaten down to.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it sounds like he had a moment of
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: clarity before he actually started eating the body and he's like, shit,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta do something.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But see that's where it's like, yes, you went through
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: this traumatic thing, Yes you need but he had he
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: was aware of everything he was doing. He was writing
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: it down. He was aware of this whole what he
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: was doing was wrong.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Like he knew help.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Anyways, the apartment where they lived was turned into a
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: haunted museum by Mary the Voodoo Queen Milan, So you
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: can currently go see the actual oven where they found
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: all the body parts and the refrigerator.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Now, Zach, his claim to fame.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Is that he is the Butcher of New Orleans. So
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that's our story.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Well, in a related story, what's our related story? And
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I can't remember what year it is, but the current
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: year now, oh, I can't remember what year this happened
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: that I'm about to tell you. Her friend was in
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the documentary we Can't Find on ABC the Vinyl Witness
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Thing was a girl named Margaret Sanchez, was a friend
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: of ADDIE's. Some years later, Margaret Sanchez and her boyfriend
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: got a dancer from down in the French corter.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Her name was Lola.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: It was not it was Jaron Lockhart, and they murdered
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: and dismembered her and she was washing up on the
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: beaches in Mississippi. I believe I thought we did that case.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe we thought about doing it but we didn't.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe we were like this is too too much. No,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like us.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: No, but yes, So on a twist.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Someone commented on Facebook or something that they knew.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: No, I that the Margaret Sanchez and her boyfriend did.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Someone comment on our Facebook? Oh that was another one.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is an another one.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, someone comment on a Facebook post where they were talking.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: This is something I was looking up about the the
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Zach and Addie and they were like yeah, and what's
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: weird is her friend did that to somebody else. I'm like, wait,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I remember.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know what she was in?
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I think she was in one of those
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: c no evil things.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe she was in something because we watched that. And
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I don't believe we did the case.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: But yes, But it turned out that the girl that
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: murdered the dancer was one of ADDIE's friends and she
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: was interviewed in the Final Witness.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: No she was was? Did it say she was? We
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: must have watched that episode because I remember that girl
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: being interviewed in US talking about that. Something happened with
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: that anyway.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: So well we got to find ABC's final.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: As that one guy that was the serial killer, the
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Flint River killer and then his daughter being murdered by.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: A Sarah or being murdered, not by a serial killer.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: But it was almost crazy like that. So anyway, so
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: that's our story out of Louisiana, Zach and Addie. I
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: don't know what to say.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: So that's stomach churning, yep.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: So Stu, do you have a yell need Jesus?
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do when you get this show on the road,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: because I'm very tired.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I don't care about your tiredness.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Are you serious, stewarts?
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I do kind of.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: You're about to care because I'm about to get snippy.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: What do you mean You're about to get snippy? All right?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Do you have it ready to go?
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: No? I don't. I gotta find it. I lost it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: So I've already told a story about the Snickers. I
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: can't kill that time with that.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Oh you got it?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good because I.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Got from Aol dot com in uh memoriam of their
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: dial up service being canceled here in the last month
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: or so, being.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: The last customer with the dial up, I don't know
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: who was. It's almost like the last Blockbuster. Who who
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: has this?
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: There's still a Blockbuster up in Oregon somewhere are still operating, Yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: They're still Well, it's mainly like a novelty. I think,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: like people go up there and be like, oh, it's
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: the I don't.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Have a BCR. I'm just here to hang out.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, you ready?
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, two men claiming to be police were shot and
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: killed by a homeowner. Authority say, yes, this one's a
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: little darker than some of the other ones, but it's
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: still kind of funny. Florida, not Florida, not Florida. A
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Texas homeowner, yeah, basically shot two mass men late Friday
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: after they posed as officers serving a warrant and open
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: fire on the house.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Police say, why would they be masked if they were
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: police officers?
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: That's what the homeowner said. The Houston Police Department or
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: HPD KARA responded to reports of gunfire in the southeast
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: part of the city around midnight. Officer C. Jones told
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Fox News Digital suspects were wearing bulletproof vests marked with police,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: but no patrol cars or flashing lights were present, raising
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the homeowner's suspicions. The two men were also wearing masks
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: covering their faces and badges around their necks.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: What did they do? Look up? What a police officer
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: looks up? What looks like when they're like on the
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: the other guys or something where they're wearing the badges room.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Well. Homeowners became suspicious because they have a ring camera
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: and the suspects were stating they had a warrant, but
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: it was just two people and their masts, their mask step.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: There's no police car, there's no lights, there's no anything
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: like that, Lieutenant Khan said. Police said the men fired
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: into the home before the residents returned gunshots, killing both men.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: The local station reported a raven officers attempt at CPR,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: but the men were pronounced dead at the scene.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Did they attempt CPR?
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I wouldn'ts were unharmed, according to the news,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Police have not released the identities of the two men.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: This is why this is fa FO. This is why
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I've heard I don't know if this is an urban
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: legend or not, but I feel like I've heard this before.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: If you're a woman and you get pulled over by
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: a police officer in an unmarked car, don't roll down
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: your window. You can ask them to show your bat
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: police apartment.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can drive and call nine one one. You
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: don't even have to stop.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I heard, Oh you heard that, But yeah, don't be
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: pulled because I've heard of stories. I feel like I've
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: heard of a story or so that where a woman
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: has been like someone's pretending to be a police officer
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: pulls someone over and does something to them. So you
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: don't have to if it's like an unmarked police car,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: like well, they need to show you their badge number.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: You can call in and confirm that that's an actual
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: police officer before you open your window or anything like that.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I think you can drive down to a well trafficked
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: place with people.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like you should be able to for
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: any anything like that because you don't know who, especially
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: if it's an unmarked police car, like a lot of
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: these ones will be unmarked these days. I feel like
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you should be able to go to like someplace where
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: there's lots of people, and if you have to drive
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: an extra mile while they follow you, then so be it.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: But I don't know what the rules are like when
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to pull over.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Anyways, you might want to check your local statues before
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: we believe us and sue us. We don't have insurance
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: to cover anything like that.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Karen from Blessed dis mess it. I could see your
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: bed before you before I roll down my window and
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: give you license and register. Who color here? Here's the episode.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Here's her face.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Oho, that's're talking about them dismembering a body and cooking
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: it in a stove.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: District, lend me Facebook message and see if they're available.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know anyways, all right, we gotta go,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: and things are getting goofy.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: So they've been goofy for sometime.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Anyways, if you're listening to this and you're a Patreon,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: we'll have a shoot the poo out some point on Friday.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: So that's me our New Day's Fridays for those going out, so.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: We can talk about how whacked this episode was.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, but now I'm gonna forget about it because we're
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: not recording that right now because it's like midnight and
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: I have to go to work in the morning. So
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: what are we? What are we? What we were going
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: to talk about? We watched the Stalking Samantha Thirteen Years
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: of Terror we did. We've watched the Hurricane Katrina stuff
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: we did. So yeah, we'll probably talk about those things.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's something else. I will figure it out.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well, Uh, I don't feel bad about what
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I said whenever I said those people his parents definitely
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: did something to that baby, because now they're arrested.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, or the guy he even many he did something
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: to him.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible human beings. Yes, all right, So on that
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: high note, I guess Patreon, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, write a review,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: buy us a coffee. We'll see you next time. By everyone,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: say bye to Bias Duke.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Don't you know it's bad luck to be superstious, but
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: nothing else it is working, and my hand is really hurting,
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: and I'm sick of this worry badly.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I am