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• 0:00
  Dr. Terry Shintani: The reason I got interested in that is I was studying nutrition in populations all around the world. And I saw the wide difference in cancer, but same thing with heart disease, same thing with osteoporosis, same thing with the differences are so wide. I'm thinking why aren't they studying the nutrition part?
• 0:17
  Roland: We are back with the Everything's Energy Show, and I have a question for you guys. Have you ever thought about the words health care and applied it to the medical system and thought, maybe health care is really more of an illness management scenario? Well, my guest today has the same belief, but he has a much greater knowledge about it than any of us do. And today I want to welcome Doctor. Teri Shintani.
• 0:37
  Thank you. You are a doctor, a lawyer, a living nutritionist, and the most surprising of all, a social media sensation. So Doctor. Terry, thank you so much for being here today. How are you?
• 0:50
  Dr. Terry Shintani: I'm doing good. Yep.
• 0:52
  Roland: I have a question for someone of your caliber or status of achievement because not many people get to that level of professional accreditation. What drove that desire to be such an accredited professional in you? Like what was the story Well, behind
• 1:08
  Dr. Terry Shintani: yeah. What made me go into medicine was when I was six months old, my dad was only 37 and he was diagnosed with cancer. Now this is back in 1951. In those days nobody survived cancer. I mean it was basically a death sentence.
• 1:27
  So when I was about three I started realizing what was that my dad was ill. He had he was doing two out of the side of his stomach. He had a permanent colostomy and he had to go in for another surgery. So I asked my mom. I said, so mom, they're gonna cure him now.
• 1:46
  Right? And she goes, no. There's no cure. And I'm thinking in my head, my three year old head, the doctors are supposed to cure. How come they can't cure this?
• 1:58
  Mom said, all we can do is pray. And pray I did. Every night I would pray, dear Lord, don't let dad die of cancer. And he he didn't die of cancer. He lived another forty something years.
• 2:11
  Uh-huh. And so to this day, I will always believe in the healing power of prayer. You cannot you cannot convince me otherwise because because my dad wasn't supposed to live that long and and he did.
• 2:27
  Roland: And that experience also probably drove your desire to medical profession
• 2:31
  Dr. Terry Shintani: about And then it drove me to say, well, why can't they cure cancer? And so I you know, in the back of my head, just said, maybe one day I'll become a doctor and help figure this out. And so that really was a driving force in in my pursuit of my career. So And what
• 2:54
  Roland: a career it's been. So as a physician and a a legal professional and a nutritionist, how have you evolved your own philosophy of health care in terms of dealing That's with
• 3:06
  Dr. Terry Shintani: kind of an interesting long story too. The reality is when I I went to law school because two things. Well, number one, I didn't have my grades weren't very good in those days in my in my early college career. So I didn't think I could make it into medical school. I could make it into law school.
• 3:36
  I thought maybe I could change things. I'm an I'm an old hippie peace advocate, so I thought truth, justice, the American way. So I went into law. And I didn't think I could stand going to school for another seven years because, you know, medical school is four years, but then you have residency training. Mhmm.
• 4:00
  So I didn't think I could wait that long. But when I went into law, I hated it. I didn't I didn't like what what they what I had to do. You know? You know, the cases are long.
• 4:20
  If you if you look at any law book, it's boring. You know, there's no pictures. The words are long. A little dry, you'd And I wasn't doing very well. And so a friend of mine said, what are you eating?
• 4:34
  And I was eating junk food like any other college kid. And he's I said, well, what does that have to do with anything? He said, maybe that's why you feel tired and that's why maybe you're not happy with what you're doing. And I'm thinking, what is he talking about? And so he said, let me show you.
• 4:53
  So he introduced me to macrobiotics. A lot of people in those days were interested in macrobiotics, which is balancing yin and yang. And it's all natural whole food. And my goodness, I started feeling better. And all of a sudden, I wasn't a mediocre student anymore.
• 5:15
  All of a sudden my brain woke up and this was like an enlightenment that changing your diet could change your brain, your your not just change your health, but change your brain and and your energy. My energy was astronomical. I mean, it it went from being being tired all the time to having lots of energy even even to a point where I could sleep five hours, get up, and just jump right out of bed and no fatigue at all. And because of that, I I started excelling in law even though I didn't like it. And I said, oh, maybe I'll quit law and maybe maybe I'm now smart enough to go into medicine because now I'm getting As instead of my my mediocre grades before.
• 6:10
  Because you see now not only was I healthier, my brain was waking up, but I was a better student. Well, what I didn't expect was that my spiritual side woke up. From the diet change? From seems to be like the diet change. And my all of a sudden I started having out of body experiences.
• 6:35
  I mean, you know, I would see things but I'm I would be asleep. And I'm asleep but all of a sudden my brain is awake but my body is asleep. And I wanted an explanation for what was going on because all of a sudden I started realizing there's a spiritual world out there other than besides our physical world. And the the founder of American Macrobiotics, Michio Kushi, came to Hawaii. You know, I'm from Hawaii, of course.
• 7:15
  And I asked him what was going on. I went on the the macrobiotic diet that he was recommending, and now I'm having spiritual experiences. And he's he gave this knowing grin, and he said he said, well, you're resonating with the energy of the universe. You're resonating with the frequency. And he said, it's like he said, when you're eating cleanly, you you can tune in to the resonance of the universe clearly more clearly.
• 7:51
  And he says, like the book of Daniel. And this is in the Bible where the in the book of Daniel for ten days, he ate a basically a plant based diet. And in in the bible, I'm making a short synopsis of it. Apparently, the king found him 10 times smarter than all his other advisers. And in the end, Daniel, in the book of Daniel, was was able to interpret the dreams of the king.
• 8:27
  And now I'm having this kind of situation where I'm having visions. And it wasn't a vision of me being a lawyer. It was visions of me being a doctor. And so now I have this spiritual now I have the energy. Now I have this spiritual connection.
• 8:49
  And I was gonna quit. And then my my father's friend who was a who was a judge, My dad hadn't talked to him about the for advice. And he said, no. Don't quit. He said, just do well.
• 9:08
  Excel in law school. And that's your ticket into med school because if you now, they'll think you're a quitter. So I studied law very diligently even though I'm starting to have these dreams about being a doctor. And I made law review and because I did well in law school, I was a good candidate for medicine. So that was that's the long story.
• 9:38
  The the story goes longer than that. But
• 9:40
  Roland: I love that you brought in the spiritual aspect because I have something I absolutely wanna ask you about that, but I think I need to ask this question first. So being a medical professional in your assessment, you've been doing this for a few years, so you have a pretty good opinion of things. What do you think is wrong with the medical system as we have it now?
• 9:58
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Well, you know, they call it health care, but it's not health care. It's disease care. You know, the the big problem is basically the health care system doesn't do anything until you get sick. And then when you get you know, then when you get sick then they treat the symptoms and they don't get it to the cause. Well in The US right now and I can say this because I'm a doctor and I treat patients probably seventy, eighty percent of the diseases we treat are nutrition related.
• 10:35
  Diabetes, heart disease, cancer, arthritis, autoimmune all of these have connections to nutrition. And we only got three clock hours of nutrition in medical school.
• 10:51
  Roland: Three hours of nutrition? Three
• 10:52
  Dr. Terry Shintani: clock hours, not semester hours. Clock hours. Clock hours.
• 10:56
  Roland: Meaning you learned it from noon till 3PM.
• 10:58
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Right. Yeah. That that's the you got it exactly. And I just said, what what in the world is going on with this? Because clearly well, you know, I I had a leaning toward interested in diet because I had tried a macrobiotic, you know, basically a plant based diet.
• 11:19
  And, basically, that's what got me into medical school, to to do well in law school and medical school. And so that's why I got my master's degree in nutrition after medical school because I thought it was so inadequate. This is the experience that I will always remember. In fourth year of medical school, you sit with a preceptor. You start seeing patients.
• 11:47
  You know, you don't do classroom work anymore. You sit you sit with a preceptor and you see patients with a you know, licensed doctor who's the professor. And so I'm sitting there and this patient has heart disease and he has diabetes and he has high blood pressure diabetes, you know, all the typical illnesses that America suffers from. And then the doctor leaves the room and leaves me to finish he tells me what to write for the prescription and he leaves the room to set up the next patient while I counsel this patient. And I say like most doctors, say, Well you take this three times a day, take this with food, you take this in the morning.
• 12:35
  And I'm going down his list of medications. And he asked me a very fair question. He says, Doc, so when will these pills cure me? And I had to say, well, you have to be on it the rest of your life. And then it started hitting me like, wait a minute.
• 12:59
  If this guy is on it the rest of his life, he's still sick. Because by definition, if he was well, he wouldn't need the medicines. And I mean, I kinda realized it before, but it was just a stark reminder that I went into medicine to be a healer, but we weren't doing healing. We were just dealing with the symptoms.
• 13:22
  Roland: Managing the situation.
• 13:23
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah. Right. And so so that's one of the reasons why I started looking, other than just medication, to to treat my patients in a much better way, and not just treat them of their illness, but to keep them well so they won't have to come back. And I hesitate to say this but, you know, I was a lawyer first. Right?
• 13:56
  And I'm thinking this is just a question now. Diabetes is a nutrition disease, right? Is it malpractice to treat a nutrition disease without knowing nutrition? Is that a fair question?
• 14:14
  Roland: Interesting question.
• 14:15
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah. Yeah. What was
• 14:17
  Roland: your answer to that when you finally sat
• 14:18
  Dr. Terry Shintani: with I that won't say it in public. Fair enough.
• 14:21
  Roland: We can infer what that might be. Okay.
• 14:25
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah. But anyway, that's the thought process. So I most people think I had a Master's before I became a doctor. It's the other way around. I became I got my Master's in nutrition after I became a medical doctor.
• 14:42
  Roland: That was a really nice description of what you think is wrong with the medical system because I've said it myself, it's you're managing a scenario and you know, I am not a medical doctor, so I'm a person with an opinion, I'm a health professional, but I can say that seeing my own family and other people have their scenarios managed with pharmaceuticals, there's no root causative aspect to it. And people who are using the pharmaceuticals long term, they're also making money for large companies.
• 15:10
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah, and so what I did with that is when I studied nutrition, I was studying nutrition. You see, what really struck me about about the about nutrition as an intervention, not just prevention now. If you look at you know my dad had colon cancer. If you look at population studies the difference between the mortality of colon cancer in The US is like about six times higher than it is in countries like Japan, Thailand, Southeast Asia. There's a six fold difference.
• 15:52
  It's not sixty percent. It's six hundred percent. Yeah. That's massive. And it's clearly correlated with diet.
• 15:58
  It's almost a straight line. You could, you know, you could do a great regression line. It's a straight line. Those who eat more fat and meat had more cancer. Those who ate less fat and meat and more, you know, more I mean, if you look you look at population studies, you know, you presume that in Thailand they're eating rice and vegetables and maybe small amounts of
• 16:19
  Roland: meat. Mhmm.
• 16:22
  Dr. Terry Shintani: And my question was if there's 600% difference, why aren't they using nutrition to prevent the cancer? And, of course, the reason is there's no money in it. I mean, unfortunately, I think that that would be that would be reasonable conclusion.
• 16:44
  Roland: I would also probably add to that that a doctor could say it's outside of their scope of practice to focus on nutrition as a modality.
• 16:51
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Well, isn't that an oxymoron?
• 16:53
  Roland: Course it is.
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  Dr. Terry Shintani: Outside the scope of
• 16:55
  Roland: Well it's the diagnosis and treatment of disease with pharmacological Bock Well,
• 17:02
  Dr. Terry Shintani: I mean that seems to be but that seems to be
• 17:07
  Roland: That's a cop out.
• 17:08
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Well, yeah. I mean, kind of a de facto way that they're actually practicing. But but that's why I did what I did. Interesting. And and interestingly enough, I was people would come to me and I would put them on a good diet and they would get well.
• 17:31
  Roland: You also have, from what I'm told, interesting philosophies on diet that relates to ethnicity or cultural background, for example.
• 17:40
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Well, yeah. The cultural part is I I don't think it's so clear that the cultural aspects are how do I how do I put it? Other aspect, other factors in good health. You know, like in in Japan, they have ikigai, which is purpose of living.
• 18:01
  Roland: Mhmm. You know,
• 18:01
  Dr. Terry Shintani: that helps with longevity. And then you have, you know, how much people exercise, you know, all of those other things.
• 18:10
  Roland: Japan, they have one too where you only eat till 80% full. Right? You don't reward yourself like you do in the West.
• 18:15
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah. That that one drives me nuts. Because I have you know, I'm a third generation American Japanese of Japanese ancestry, but it drives me nuts when they I think they say Harahatchibu. Mhmm. It's not Harahatchibu.
• 18:30
  It's a Harahatchibun, b o o n. Okay. But they spell it with b u, and it drives me nuts when they
• 18:38
  Roland: Does that mean something totally different to the
• 18:40
  Dr. Terry Shintani: the uneducated? Speak of this. They're experts on this. And I said, you you know, this wasn't this is not even their culture. You know?
• 18:46
  And they don't even know how to say it and they're pretending they're experts. But it's boom, b e e e e with an n at the end.
• 18:54
  Roland: For those who practice that or say that phrase, now now you know. Because I didn't know that.
• 18:59
  Dr. Terry Shintani: But eating to 80%, you know, these are the kind of things. But what I did do was what in the nineteen nineties, what I was famous for was I put native Hawaiians on the ancient native Hawaiian diet.
• 19:12
  Roland: What what does that consist of?
• 19:14
  Dr. Terry Shintani: The reason I got interested in that is I was studying nutrition in populations all around the world. And I saw the the wide difference in cancer, but same thing with heart disease, same thing with osteoporosis, same thing with the differences are so wide. I'm thinking why aren't they studying the nutrition part? So now getting back to the Hawaiian diet. If you look at see, native Hawaiians, there was a study at NIH on ethnicity and obesity.
• 19:47
  And it seemed Polynesians, native Hawaiians, and someone have the highest problem with body mass index obesity. So I said, well, when I as a nutritionist, I look at what what they used to eat. It was taro. It was sweet potatoes. Was poi.
• 20:11
  It was vegetables. It was seaweed. It was a little bit of fish, but not and once in a while, they'd they'd have chicken. Mhmm. But you see, the animal products part had to be very small.
• 20:29
  Why? There's no refrigeration. You know? Throughout throughout history, the the animal product portion of the traditional Hawaiian diet, it was there, but it had to be small like like it had to be in virtually any culture because there's no refrigeration. And so you can't, you know you know, if you're if you're gonna eat chicken, you gotta slaughter it that day and eat it that day.
• 20:54
  Mhmm. Fish, you catch it, you gotta eat eat it that day or maybe the next day. And otherwise, it'll spoil. So most of the diet was in Hawaii was taro poi sweet potato, you know, basically plant plant based. Of course they had plentiful fruit, for example.
• 21:16
  And when you look at pictures of Hawaiians in those days, they were all slim. So how did a slim athletic I mean they're big and strong but they weren't overweight like they are today. So how did that happen? You know, and you have to start thinking, well, maybe the diet changed. And of course, that that's clearly the answer.
• 21:38
  So if the diet can make them so overweight today, then going back to the old way should make them slim again. And it's almost like that, you know, there's this whole term called cultural genocide. You know, the culture changed, you know, when when a culture gets colonized and then the colonial colonial power starts introducing white bread and sugar and, you know, those kinds of foods that are not native native to that to that indigenous area, things things will change. And so that's that's really what was happening. So the question was, so when you have cultural genocide, you destroy the cultural way of eating and then they start their health starts to go down.
• 22:33
  Well, what happens if you restore the cultural way of eating? Then their health should return. And that's exactly what I proved in my project. I had I I put native Hawaiians back on eating only what they did pre western contact back in the '8 I guess it was back in the seventeen seventeen hundreds. And in '20 it was a twenty one day project.
• 23:05
  In twenty one days I mean, without and and it was ad lib. Ad lib meaning there was no calorie restriction. Mhmm. I just let them eat as much of this. They all lost weight.
• 23:15
  They started looking like they did.
• 23:17
  Roland: 21 isn't a long time either.
• 23:19
  Dr. Terry Shintani: No. It's not. And that the average I mean, the average I think numbers in mind, but the average weight of the person on our project was two hundred, like, forty eight pounds, somewhere around that. Average weight loss was 17 pounds with no calorie restriction. Restriction.
• 23:42
  Yeah. So we started to prove our point. And by the way, in the meanwhile, I'm taking people off their insulin. And by the way, don't do that without supervision without the supervision of a doctor. And I'm talking about type two diabetes, not type type one.
• 23:57
  You can't do that with type one diabetes. But blood pressure was coming down and because of that we actually won a national award. Project won the highest national award at NI at the National Institutes of Health because we started with some of the worst health statistics and we ended with some of the best biggest improvements. And we did it without any artificial artificial intervention. We just put people back just made common sense.
• 24:33
  We put people back on their ancient diet, and they they got well again.
• 24:39
  Roland: Imagine that. You focus on nutrition
• 24:42
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yep. Heal the body. Yep.
• 24:44
  Roland: Do you think that that pattern would work for someone of multiple different ethnicities? Maybe someone
• 24:52
  Dr. Terry Shintani: I I don't think I don't think the ethnicity is that important because you look at the Okinawans, they live the longest. Mhmm. You know? But the diet is not that different from even for the from the Hawaiian. They ate sweet potato and they they didn't eat poi, but they ate lots of vegetables and
• 25:12
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 25:12
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Very small amounts of animal product. And if you look around the world, most of the cultures that live long, you know, like in the Mediterranean, for example. Their animal product intake is very small. They they do eat whole grains. Mhmm.
• 25:36
  And in in the Pacific Islands, they eat sweet potato and yams and that that kind of thing. You know, they so many people are against carbs.
• 25:49
  Roland: Well, that that was a fad that I think is starting to pass us by in some Well, capacities but
• 25:54
  Dr. Terry Shintani: the point is they're they need to differentiate between a processed carb Mhmm. Which is what we eat in the in The US, most of the carbs are eating eaten as white bread or white flour products Mhmm. Or sugar drinks. But the carbs that were eaten by the Hawaiians and the Okinawans and the Mediterranean people, they're all whole unprocessed carbs, and those are the ones that really help improve people's health.
• 26:22
  Roland: Well, they have all the micronutrients. They have the fibers and Fibers,
• 26:25
  Dr. Terry Shintani: the b complex, the you know, you don't wanna argue with nature.
• 26:29
  Roland: Yeah. Nature doesn't make a mistake. Just refines things over time. Right. Exactly.
• 26:33
  That's that's one thing. I I studied holistic nutrition and then you start to realize the patterns. Right? As I said with nutrition, it's it's or carbs specifically. Carbs are not the problem, it's the food plus the person's physiology.
• 26:46
  So what it sounds like you did was you fixed the food problem and then you monitored the physiology and worked on supporting the physiology's progression back to a place of no longer having issues with handling glucose, which is really what type two diabetes is, it's an
• 27:00
  Dr. Terry Shintani: energy problem. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's kind of my background with and by the way, while I while I recommend exercise as well, in this project we added no exercise.
• 27:18
  You just did they so they cannot they cannot attribute the weight loss to increase in exercise. It was all the change in the diet.
• 27:30
  Roland: Which is the best kind of study because you're just focusing on the Right,
• 27:33
  Dr. Terry Shintani: to focus on one main factor.
• 27:37
  Roland: I want to segue if I may. Yeah. Because you mentioned something at the very beginning and I said there was another question I wanted to ask you. Right. You mentioned having a very strong spiritual belief.
• 27:46
  Dr. Terry Shintani: And
• 27:48
  Roland: you have actually done some studies on the energy enhancement system and have a very familiar background with energy medicine in general. Do you believe the medical system doesn't include spirituality or understanding of things that are not chemical?
• 28:03
  Dr. Terry Shintani: No, think part of it is it's hard to measure. You know, how do you measure spirituality? How do I how do I verify that I had this spiritual experience, this spiritual vision? You know, it's not quantifiable.
• 28:19
  Roland: Think It's purely subjective.
• 28:20
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah. I I think that's part of it. And it it's it's something you have to experience. I I that's the only I guess, the only way I can I mean, people can describe it, but I think not enough what's the word for it? Leaders in in the field have had that kind of experience.
• 28:50
  Roland: Mhmm. Something that connects you to a knowing that there's something bigger than you in this
• 28:56
  Dr. Terry Shintani: world, this universe. You know, sometimes I put it this way. I said, you know, I have faith in God. Some people say, well, faith is belief without evidence. That's what some people describe it as.
• 29:14
  And for me, I said, well, it's belief with evidence. I because I've I've had the evidence for for myself. I can't I can't say that for anyone else, but that's my knowing is that I've had that experience.
• 29:31
  Roland: I think that's also a hard thing when it comes to healthcare when you look at the individual versus looking at a population, right? Because Doctor. Terry's world is entirely Doctor. Terry's world as you experience it in your body where mind is mind and also the permutations of how maybe a pathology develops or a lifestyle stress can dovetail into something as an Well,
• 29:53
  Dr. Terry Shintani: know, it reminds me that, you know, I have a social media presence. It's drshintani.com, I think.
• 29:59
  Roland: Yeah, I wanna talk about that later because you're like, a bit of a TikTok sensation.
• 30:05
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Periodically, I will do prayers online as part of my I mean, mostly I mostly I'm talking about health health and nutrition advice. But when there's an important event, for example, World Peace Day for the United Nations, for example, my reel for that day will be I'll ask people to pray with me for for world peace. And I'm laughing because I'm gonna say something something that made people laugh was so I I did the prayer. That was, like, September 21 and September. And I and I said, you know, if you feel the spirit, pray with me and and in the comments tell us where you're praying from.
• 30:55
  And so we did. And I had something like 15,000 people pray with me for world peace. And we prayed for end end of war and release of hostages including Gaza, Ukraine, and all. And so I had about 15,000 prayers from, like, 31 countries. It was really really exciting that that many people are you know, believe I mean, they believe in some the spirit.
• 31:27
  Right? They're And so the funny thing was one of my prayer partners in Africa, and it's all around the world, by the way, one of my prayer partners in Africa says, did you see that? I said, what? He said, our prayer worked. I said, what?
• 31:44
  He said, we prayed for peace in Gaza and there's now peace in Gaza. We prayed for the release of the hostages and they released the hostages. And he was saying, it was our prayers that did it.
• 31:54
  Roland: And that is such a perfect example of no evidence in terms of the efficacy, but the outcome is the outcome. Outcome. Yeah. It's said that when you have enough people gathering together, tuning into a common frequency, it can really shift how the third dimensional reality and the events in it unfolds. Yeah.
• 32:11
  Is that your belief too?
• 32:12
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah. I believe that. I do.
• 32:14
  Roland: Yeah. Well, you experienced it with your father, and then you've
• 32:16
  Dr. Terry Shintani: done it multiple times. That's why I do the prayers, actually, is is I want people with collective intention to make the world a better place, including, you know, like I said, I was an old 1970s peace activist and I still am, so
• 32:35
  Roland: It never dies, right? Well, that's probably a very inappropriate way where you collided with Doctor. Sandra, was Michael and the energy enhancement technology, because from what I understand, again, you're looking for evidence as a medical professional, you didn't really know what to make of energy Just enhancement
• 32:54
  Dr. Terry Shintani: to give you a little bit of background. I was the clinical chief of the Department of Alternative Medicine at our medical school. So it was our job to use integrative practices, including nutrition and acupuncture. We had two doctors that were MDs who were also licensed in acupuncture. We had another MD who was certified in Ayurvedic medicine.
• 33:27
  We had a holistic pediatrician, you know. And we welcome new But technologies, but we're we're a university. We also demand scientific evidence. You know, we're not gonna just try try any any modality that's out there. We needed some evidence.
• 33:50
  So people used to come to me with this this device or that approach or and I would say, do you have peer reviewed literature supporting what you say in a from a reputable institution to support what you say. And most of them don't have it.
• 34:09
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 34:09
  Dr. Terry Shintani: I mean, if you look at a lot of the the alternative medicine or the integrative practices, they don't have it. And so I I don't want to, you know, I don't wanna put my license on the line for something that doesn't have credibility. And same thing with doctor Michael. She comes to me and there there's these four devices in the corners of the room, and she's claiming that it sets up a scalar energy field and it's a healing field. And I'm open minded, so I said, do you have peer I said, it it didn't look like it would do anything.
• 34:51
  I said, do you have peer reviewed literature? And she had it. And she said, yeah. This is this is a study done by scientists at Stanford Medical Center showing that it actually had an effect and this is a little esoteric but noradrenaline reuptake. Well, noradrenaline reuptake is the mechanism of an antidepressant.
• 35:14
  And I say, you mean your device will have the effect of an antidepressant without even taking a pill? And she said, look at the paper, the research. And so I did. I said, well, that's really interesting. So I I installed it at our at our clinic.
• 35:33
  And people were getting results. So one guy I remember we started on and you have to realize this is just an anecdote. This is a case study, if you wanna call it that. Guy who had mesothelioma and my one of my one of my patients said, oh, can you help this guy? I'll call him George.
• 36:00
  Said I said, yeah. Sure. Well, let's see. So he comes in and no. He told me he has mesothelioma and they said it's incurable.
• 36:09
  So he comes in with oxygen tank. And I said I said, oh. And he didn't look good. You know, he looked a little bit gray. And that happens when your bloods your oxygen tension goes down, you know.
• 36:29
  I said, why don't you lie down, you know, instead of instead of, you know, sitting in a chair. I said, maybe you should lie down. I said I can't lie down. I said why can't you lie down? He said I can't breathe.
• 36:42
  Well in medicine you know that's called orthopnea. When you're in orthopnea you're basically bordering on respiratory failure. And so I sat him up in a chair and he sat in the chamber for an hour. And I said, well, come back whenever you need. You know, I'm not you know, I said, let's see how you do.
• 37:06
  So he would come back and oddly enough, he would come when I wasn't there, so I didn't know how often he was coming. Three months later and by the way, he said that Mayo Clinic had told him he he was gonna die. Basically, he said, you're too far gone. Your mesothelioma is over all over your both both of your lungs. You're not gonna make it.
• 37:27
  You better get your affairs in order. So three months later, the friend who referred him called me up and says, hey, doc, what did you do to George? And I went, oh, no. He's in the hospital or something. I said, why?
• 37:44
  What happened? He said, he went back to work. I said, he went back to work. He he doesn't need his oxygen in anymore. He looks great.
• 37:52
  What did you do? And all I could tell him was, well, we've got this scalar chamber that he said, well, whatever you're doing, you better keep doing it, you know. And so George lived another, like, fourteen years before he died of something else. Wow. Yeah.
• 38:11
  After Mayo Clinic said he was gonna die in six months. So that was an anecdote.
• 38:18
  Roland: But you yourself have also done some research with
• 38:21
  Dr. Terry Shintani: the so then what we then what we what we did was actually, let let me let me go back to the the science part for a minute. Know, doctor Michael was saying she's setting up a scalar energy system. And she also had a video of a physicist showing that in the you see, scalar energy doesn't have the same oscillation as a Hertzian. Hertzian energy is is vectored. It points one way or another.
• 38:59
  Mhmm. She showed that the vectored vectors have have magnitude and direction. Scalars have no direction. Mhmm. It's just present.
• 39:10
  Like temperature is a scalar quantity. It doesn't point anywhere. But electromagnetism has a north, south, you know, has north pole as well.
• 39:20
  Roland: Poles. Yes.
• 39:20
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Right. So she said it's scalar, so there's no directionality. And this is again, I'm thinking, well, prove it. And so she has a video of of a physicist with an oscilloscope that's flat lining in her system. And that that was very surprising to me.
• 39:43
  And and the physicists the physicists said this isn't supposed to happen. So this is in this is indeed a scalar energy field. The energy field has to be there because first of all, thermodynamics is that you can't get rid of the energy. So the energy had to be there. It's just not in a Hertzian form.
• 40:07
  It was in well, you'd have to you'd have to conclude that it was a scalar a scalar energy field. So the other case was which is a case that we published was a four and a half year old girl who was having multiple seizures every day, grand mal seizures, despite all the medication she was on. And the medication was just knocking her out. And we put her in the the system. And on the after one hour in the in the system, her seizures went from twenty seconds long and she was having multiple twenty second long seizures went down to seven seven seconds.
• 40:55
  We said, well that's that's that's amazing, you know. And so we kept doing it and I I after I I can't remember how many sessions, but we gradually got down got her her twenty second seizures down to one or two second just basically twitches and that was it. And we kept a seizure log. So it's just a case study but I talked to a pediatric neurologist and he said this is amazing. You you should really try to publish it because the first time they should they're showing that this kind of energy field can reduce seizures.
• 41:44
  So we have a medical official medical journal publication peer reviewed that shows that the energy enhancement system mitigated seizures in this in this little girl.
• 42:03
  Roland: What do you think is the interplay there between the person's physiology in the field? Like, what do you think is happening
• 42:09
  Dr. Terry Shintani: within the I I think and this is just supposition because we don't have we don't have the data, but I I think that and there's a biophysicist that I spoke to said that he believes that cellular energy is increasing. And I think doctor Michael has some evidence of that. She has she has a just a slide of of brain what what is it? E EEG studies showing that after a very short time, I think a ten minute period, you could see brain energy increasing. Brain voltage, I guess I guess they're looking at millivolts.
• 43:04
  Roland: Mhmm. Usually accompanied with wave change patterns
• 43:06
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Right. As Yeah. But but there are there are multiple curves because each curve is a pair of electrodes. Mhmm. So I think I think that may be one of one possible explanation that you boost cellular energy and then then you raise a seizure threshold.
• 43:27
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 43:27
  Dr. Terry Shintani: I mean, that's mechanism. You know, I think this is this kind of thing is is for the future of medicine. Right now, number one, it's it's hard to measure. Number two, it's it's it's not a big money making thing. It's not a not you're not gonna get a pharmaceutical out of it.
• 43:49
  So there's not enough studies on it, but I think there should be because some of the effects we've seen are really surprising. Surprising.
• 43:57
  Roland: That's a very good point because so many people ask in regards to energy technologies, well, how does it work? How do you know what's happening? And think people who don't have a background in health or medicine don't understand that there's not one thing you can measure to prove the efficacy of an energy field. You have to measure something within the body, get a baseline before and after, and then maybe compare it to a control to see was there an
• 44:20
  Dr. Terry Shintani: effect? Exactly, you got it.
• 44:21
  Roland: And was the effect positive, negative in terms of the outcome? Because we've done some clinical stuff and that's in some ways the best that we have because clinical has the most relevance to someone's practical existence, at least in my opinion. I don't know what your thoughts are on that.
• 44:34
  Dr. Terry Shintani: No. Yeah. I agree with that. So these kind of things, it's it's hard to do research on it. Mhmm.
• 44:44
  And in a lot of ways, our medical system is skewed in favor of pharmaceuticals because they can make money on it. So they do more studies on it. And, you know, it's unfortunate. They I used to think they should they should say that for every unnatural intervention, a pharmaceutical like a synthetic drug, for example, for every dollar they spend on that, they should spend a dollar on natural alternatives in terms of research. But, you know, I mean, you'd have to legislate that and you'd have to have a budget because see, the big pharma companies have their budget because they can make it back on the back end and, you know, sell cholesterol medicines for a billion dollars.
• 45:44
  Roland: There's a lot of money in disease. There's not a lot of money in health.
• 45:47
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Right. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. But but what what's good about the the energy system is the energy enhancement system is that it's noninvasive.
• 46:03
  It doesn't it doesn't require, you know, IVs or blood draws or anything like that. You all all you do is sit in the chamber and take a nap or if you wanna read a book, you can do that. It's just very passive and it's something very easy to administer. Mhmm. Yeah.
• 46:30
  Roland: Yeah. It it it really is something that's practically executable in one's life. So thank you for sharing all that. That was wonderful because, I mean, you were involved in the early days in Hawaii, and it's amazing as to what it's become relative to the origin stories. I want to ask you a final question to kind of close this interview off.
• 46:49
  Everything that you've seen in your life, all that we've spoken about, the problems with the medical system, where do you think medicine needs to go to fix itself in the future? What would you like to see happen in your lifetime?
• 46:59
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Oh, got to have more faith in nature. I mean, food is artificial, our pills are artificial, our interventions are artificial. They they really need to they need to have a you know, I I I think I think, you know, that's a very tough question to answer in a short time.
• 47:24
  Roland: But Understandable. But
• 47:25
  Dr. Terry Shintani: I I think health is I'm I'm gonna say I'm gonna say a poem
• 47:36
  Roland: Okay.
• 47:38
  Dr. Terry Shintani: That isn't that I explained in my in my in my doctor shintani.com social media. But everybody like this. This will make this this will make this this view this podcast popular. I this is what I say. You are what you eat.
• 47:56
  You are what you drink. You are what you breathe. You are what you think. You are what you do. You are what you say.
• 48:04
  You are all the love you give, and you are what you pray. So what that means is well, anyway, I'll I'll elaborate the meanings in my in my in my social media reels. But that's kind of what I I try to live by. And the reason I'm I'm saying that is that all of those things can be done naturally. It doesn't cost much.
• 48:36
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 48:36
  Dr. Terry Shintani: And I think medicine needs to have more of a they need to focus more on wellness than diseaseness, if you wanna or illness. Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:48
  Roland: I follow.
• 48:49
  Dr. Terry Shintani: And and they need to they need to you know, the system needs to spend more on the front end so they don't have to spend a fortune on the back end. How to get there? I'm I'm not really sure. But I've been working at this for gosh. Well, I finished medical school in '85, so it's been forty years.
• 49:10
  Roland: Wasn't I wasn't alive yet. Well, doctor Shintai. But I've
• 49:15
  Dr. Terry Shintani: been forty years, I've been slugging it out.
• 49:17
  Roland: Yeah. And Clearly, you still
• 49:19
  Dr. Terry Shintani: love doing it, though. You know, it what what's exciting is that, you know, in the in the nineties, the big you know, you had to be you know, the the big way to reach a lot of people was being on national TV. Right? And I was very fortunate. I was I was on national TV several times because of my project.
• 49:47
  So I was on Dateline NBC. I was on CBS This Morning, on ABC National Radio, CNN, Fox. I was on all I I actually had appearances on all of those in the nineties. And I thought and and what's exciting is that my social media is now starting to to build up. I if I add it up, I'm I've got over a million followers, and I hope talking to you is gonna get me a few few thousand more.
• 50:16
  Roland: Definitely. I think everyone who enjoyed that which we shared today will will obviously wanna figure out where to find you. Why don't you tell everyone where to find you so this way
• 50:25
  Dr. Terry Shintani: they can actually So the so my ID would be doctorchintani.com, drchintani.com. And that would be Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. I should be there because I have, well, several 100 posts up. So
• 50:43
  Roland: And that's where you share your wisdom and and your little Yeah. You know, clinical pearls and nuggets.
• 50:48
  Dr. Terry Shintani: And and I but what I'm saying is that that's kind of the new way of reaching people. Right? I mean, newspapers and even the main TV the the mainstream media is what what do they call it? Getting democratized. It's it's it's that kind of attention is being captured like by people like you who have a a popular podcast and who's the other guy, Joe Rogan or something like that.
• 51:18
  Roland: Yeah. We're not quite comparable at this moment, but hopefully in the future. But yeah, podcasts are the new way that people learn and videos are the new articles. Right? People don't wanna read anymore.
• 51:28
  They watch something.
• 51:29
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Right. And and they don't want long stuff. They
• 51:32
  Roland: Short form content.
• 51:33
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I'm I'm happy to to do that. And I I guess what I'm the reason I'm I'm saying that is that we all have to realize the world is changing, and we gotta change with it or get left behind. Yeah.
• 51:51
  Roland: And I'm hoping in that change, this push for health and wellness becomes a more preventative strategy.
• 51:58
  Dr. Terry Shintani: Then the people who are not just money driven will, you know, like just regular people like you and me, will have some what's the word? Some some way to have have our approach disseminated besides just the big, you know, the big pharma or the big companies that have Mhmm. Have lots of money. You know? If you if we put out a good product, maybe that's good enough to get people's attention and their and their interests.
• 52:37
  Roland: So We you can keep praying for it too.
• 52:39
  Dr. Terry Shintani: And we should keep praying. Right?
• 52:41
  Roland: Thank you so much. Alright. Doctor Shintani, thank you for the wisdom, the knowledge, the stories, everything. And I wanna thank everyone for tuning If you resonate with this message, please share it with someone who you think will benefit from it. Thank you as always.
• 52:54
  We'll be back with another amazing episode in the future of the Everything's Energy Show. Until then.