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Feminists VS Warren Farrell, Cassie Jaye and plants! | Maintaining Frame 93 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian
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  with Allison and this is a new episode of Maintaining Frame, Trying something a
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  little different. This time. We're recording on riverside as we are doing the
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  while we do this. So sure, welcome to the show, and let's
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  see. Here's what we're going to be doing today. We're gonna be responding
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  to a video that was put out on doctor Warren Ferrell's channel where he made
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  an appearance on Doctor Phil. I don't know how new this this actual like,
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  cause this might have been older, but maybe he just now got to
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  run a putting it up. I don't know how long ago this was recorded,
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  is what I mean. But I thought it was kind of interesting.
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  And Cassie j is on there, and it's always nice to see Cassie.
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  the tip. All right, back to you, Brian. All right,
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  well let's let's look into the video now. So I'm gonna go ahead and
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  share my screen here, and looks like it's putting it up there. So
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  this is doctor Phil and he is talking with Cassie j and Warren Ferrell.
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  We'll open it up a little bit more so we can see more of it
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  and a couple of other guests. So there is Fortunately it's not that long
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  and it's broken up into some decent check sections. So we'll just start with
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  doctor Phil's opening. And this is being shared from doctor Warren Ferrell's YouTube account,
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  so I don't know whatever you call it. Like, I'm sure doctor
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  Farrell won't come after us for playing video now, although Doctor Phil might.
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  But then again, doctor Ferrell, do Phil let doctor Ferrell put? Yeah,
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  we'll see, we'll see. I don't know if we'll get through twenty
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  two minutes. Did you did you get any highlights? I mean there,
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  yeah, I got I know some moments. I don't have the time codes
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  exactly, but I know where they are in the video. Yeah. I
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  mean we probably won't be talking much when after Warren or doctor Farrell or our
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  Cassie is having a mass as statement. I'm pretty sure we'll be agreeing with
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  them. They'll have very little to disagree with, well mostly, yeah,
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  there might not be much to disagree with their Cassie doesn't show up until about
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  halfway through. So it opens up with your Phil and a couple of feminist
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  women. Yeah, so oh boy, that's gonna be fun, Doctor Warren
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  Ferrell in a couple of feminists, well or just women. Let's just be
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  real. Okay, Well, but let's play. This is opening we should
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  know. Get like the groundwork laid out by doctor Phil himself. Breaking news.
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  Suspect in a deadly ambush at a federal judges home in New Jersey found
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  dead. Detectives are now looking under what could have motivated him to allegedly shoot
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  and kill the judge's son, and critically this is this is actually a while
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  ago. This was history of anti feminist lawsuits. The murder of a prominent
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  men's rights movement attorney in San Bordino County may be linked to the shooting at
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  a New Jersey home of a federal judge. Harry Crouch, as president of
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  the National Coalition for Men. He says he's known Mark Angeluci for more than
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  twenty years. Okay, everybody is right, Mark Angelous. Yeah, so
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  I mean this. I know that this is old news, but I don't
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  think that this video is old that makes sense. I think that's prefacing it.
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  Yeah, they're giving us a bit of background our. I p Mark
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  Angeloucci. He was loved by everyone. He was sleep nice to me.
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  I didn't know we did interview him, yes, and I and I've seen
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  him at almost every every meet up. Mark Angeluci was there, so yeah,
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  he was the most definitely like optimistic, you know, sweet natured guy,
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  like it's absolutely brilliant. He was. He was a real g Yeah,
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  that's what I think. I'm trying to adjust this a little bit more
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  so I don't look so low, all right, So we're gonna continue on
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  on that. But I think this is just all preface groundwork stuff. Plus
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  all very nice to see all these familiar faces. Harry Krowt, you know
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  it's been a while. Yeah, it's almost been a coof ago. It's
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  it's been it's been more than a coof ago. He was very passionate.
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  He worked for me for free. When I heard the news, I was
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  horrified. What happened to him was completely unfair. Mark is our savior,
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  and you talk about a man who died for what he believed in. We're
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  doing this for Mark, all right. So that's yeah again, F's in
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  the chat, all right. Doctor Warren Ferrell is a world renowned professor,
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  speaker, and author of several books, including The Boy Crisis. He has
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  been dubbed the Martin. So The Boy Crisis is not that old. I
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  mean, it's a few years old. But this is like, so you
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  guys can see, this is post twenty seventeen, you know, because I
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  think that's around the time that he was promoting his book. So after that
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  for sure, probably pretty recent. I'd say twenty twenty two or so,
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  but I don't know for sure. Luther King of the Men's Movement, take
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  a look, is there a boy crisis? Think about when we hear of
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  a police officer shooting a black boy, we rightly protest black lives matter,
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  but no one even thinks of saying boys lives matter. The un fil that
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  boys have fallen behind girls in seventy developed nations want to Developed nations have in
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  common a much greater propensity for divorce, leaving boys without your dad's being much
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  again, just partia. Nothing disagreeable here, So we'll just go. We'll
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  just keep going. We're likely to do badly in school, being more likely
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  to be suicidal, homicidal, being more likely to be in prison. Samantha
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  Edis is a feminist CEO of female run business Park Place Payments, and a
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  married mom of three children. Now, Samantha says that doctor Warren's views are
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  not only outdated, they are damaging to women and to men alike. Okay,
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  well, now here's where the rage comes. Obviously, feminist mother entrepreneur
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  does it all. She doesn't like Warren ferrells saying, probably Warren Ferrell's too
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  nice in my opinion. That's that's how nice he is. Like he's like,
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  you know, I mean, I respect him tremendously, but you know
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  sometimes I'm not like just your you know, like could you just get the
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  guns out? Yeah? Just but okay, I don't know. I think
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  that would be like, I don't know, a son of the apocalypse.
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  If Warren Ferrell ever loses Who's School, You'll know, I've never seen it
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  bad. Yeah, I've never seen it. He does a lot of yoga
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  and meditation. That's what he told me when I saw him. Okay,
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  it shows mm hmm. I'm Samantha Edis. I'm a mom of three.
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  I live with my husband and two daughters and a son. I also run
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  a company focused on helping women achieve financial independence. I also have written a
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  few books. Today, forty two percent of moms in America are the primary
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  breadwinners. I think that's what equality looks like. My husband and I both
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  work full time, so we have a very busy life, but there's an
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  understanding between us that we're equals. The construct of our world is set up
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  today as a giant thank you card to white men. Give you Okay,
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  well yeah, yeah, the world. I can tell you one way,
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  you're not equals. Morally, you've just established yourself as his moral superior.
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  Right there, She's morally dominant over her men. Okay, well I'm pretty
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  sure. I'm pretty sagiture. This is just the new. If your wife
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  ain't happy a little bit, just happy thing like yeah, a happy wife,
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  happy life. Yeah, perhaps, I mean it's I I okay,
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  just to be because I have to. I know that these these TV spots
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  they're always like edited like a lot because they want to cut it down to
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  like the best bits and then put that out there. But I'm not hearing
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  a lot of appreciation for her husband, who probably made her life comfortable enough
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  for her to pursue this business. Right probably, well he's probably underwriting it.
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  So yeah, yeah, that's true too. Good. Look at the
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  history of our country, from the Constitution to our current laws. Most of
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  them were designed by white men. With white men in mind everyone in my
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  life. All right, Okay, white men earned that right because they fought
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  a war to create the constitution. Right, they fought a war. They
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  fought and died to construct the country. I mean, I was thinking about
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  this because men who were part of the lower classes in the UK didn't have
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  the vote until after World War One. Until after that were dying in the
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  trenches. And the rationale for giving them the right is because they had made
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  the ultimate sacrifice for ensuring the existence of the society. I should get a
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  little closer to the mic. Sorry, And I was thinking about this,
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  and I was like, well, I guess American men, But then I
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  thought about it. No, American men died in the Revolutionary War to set
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  up the constitution and the country. The US from the very beginning. So
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  they were the ones who fought and died to construct this document. And now
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  she's saying, well, it's made for men and for the white men.
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  Well, yeah, they were the ones who fought and died to construct the
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  document, like to have the opportunity to make this document the law of the
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  land. That's who did that. And you're you're just you're just rendering that
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  invisible. You're just ignoring that part. You're ignoring the cost and the sacrifice
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  of that document, of those laws, those law wouldn't exist and they would
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  have no power if they hadn't fought and died to establish the independence that began
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  the whole shebang. You see what I'm saying, Like, yeah, of
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  course, And she's just completely ignoring that. Mm hmm. It's like,
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  yeah, lady, they gave you a place eventually, like, and they
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  gave you legal equality and no step on the road, did you demonstrate the
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  same level of sacrifice or commitment as a man to society and yet you have
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  the same voice that's not equality. Yeah, Okay, It's amazing how little
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  educated, very famous people that do very well are Like I mean, I'm
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  just I'm just amazed by it. Like to be able to just say it
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  was made by white men for white men, while living probably a really good
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  life that's very cushy thanks to your white man. It's amazing. It's amazing.
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  As a feminist, from my ten year old son to my girls and
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  my husband, I think, yes, the margarita with your friends and leave
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  the dirty dishes in the sink. Well, oh my god, leave the
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  dirty dishes in the sink, because how demeaning is that. She probably has
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  a cleaning lady. Honestly, yeah, I bet she does. I bet
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  she does, but she leaves the margarita's in the sink for margarita. Mm
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  hm oh, thank you both for joining the conversation. Look at how like
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  is this okay? Is this even fair? Like doctor Phil has doctor Warren
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  Ferrell, who's written countless books, he was on the board for the National
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  Organization for Women. He's like, he is like really well educated on this
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  subject. He's got all the data on his side. And then he brings
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  on a soccer mom who like, basically her husband funds everything and she writes
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  a couple of books. Well, we don't know that. I mean,
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  we don't know that. We don't know she could be she could really doubt
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  I really doubt that we're looking at a family in which she's the breadwinner.
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  I doubt it, But I know it's possible. It's possible. Possible she
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  has a woman who would tolerate such a loss and status as to not have
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  married a man who makes more than her. But you know, who knows.
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  Maybe I'm completely wrong. All right, let's look, let's appreciate it.
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  Also joining us from Boston is lawyer, lecturer, and ardent feminist Wendy
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  Murphy, who believes the last thing man need is a movement. It's a
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  little bit awkward, to put it mildly, to say that the people in
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  power need a movement when we think about movements as the things we hear about
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  from either racial minorities or women or other classes of people who have suffered in
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  some way and are marginalized. They're the ones who need a movement because they're
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  just struggling to achieve basic equality. You know, it's interesting because this particular
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  narrative, because men are in power, they don't need advocacy for their issues.
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  I mean, it doesn't actually really make sense from a if you looked
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  at it from a class analysis, because it's not men in power, it's
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  men of a certain class in power, and then lower than that class,
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  they definitely would need advocacy. It used to be that unions and supposedly like
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  Marxism, I know, would say that they advocated for those particular men,
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  but of course they abandon that completely. They don't even give the pretense of
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  doing so anymore. So it's like, well, that was because a worker's
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  revolution didn't work because most of the workers being men. They were like,
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  no, I think I'd rather be free and own my own shit and raise
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  my own kids and take care of my own family by the sweat of my
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  brow. Yeah, And so they were like, whoa, we need to
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  come up with something else. How about we turn the women against them.
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  Well, but what's interesting is they use the fact that are men in power
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  to justify why their issues should never or are are already covered, even though
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  it's patently true. It's patently false they're already covered, like there's obvious issues
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  that men face, and yet she's using that as an excuse to ignore them,
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  an excuse to ignore them. But the thing is that the people in
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  power, whoever is in situations of responsibility, who's ever I guess running society
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  not really empower necessarily of it. They don't necessarily advocate for their own issues.
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  Like, that's not the case. It's such a simplistic analysis of power,
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  and especially when it comes to the power between men and women, because
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  women very much define men's identities. They define them in terms of being providers
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  and protectors of women, right. And if you're defined as a provider and
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  protector of women of a woman, when you get into power, all that's
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  going to happen is that power is going to serve women. So you can't
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  look at who's in power. Oh, because the people in power don't necessarily
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  benefit themselves when their identities are controlled by someone else. I mean, kings
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  were in power, but ultimately in many cases the power lay with the church.
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  Why because the church defined their identities as Christians, right, same thing
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  with women. Men are defined in terms of providing and protecting for women.
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  That means when they get into power, that power goes to the service of
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  their identity. They don't identify with their sex in the same way. It
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  doesn't seem like it. Otherwise we wouldn't say things like be a real man.
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  What does a real man mean? It means that you have provided and
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  protected the people who are vulnerable. It doesn't mean you have a penis.
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  You know, it's not just that, it's not everything. Every man is
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  considered a real man. So I mean, right there, you see that
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  the identity isn't taken from physically being male. It's taken from living up to
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  the standard of protecting and providing for others. So that again, what's in
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  power isn't the men. What's in power is where they take their identity from,
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  and where they take their identity from is protecting and providing for women.
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  All right, So this is this entire analysis is extremely simplistic, extremely childish,
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  extremely lacking of any kind of nuance or understanding of human psychology. Yep,
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  once again it's mainstream. It's insinsane, very it is very mainstream.
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  Like you're spoilers, guys, you're not going to hear any arguments from the
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  feminists that you have not heard since before you were born. Like it's it's
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  going to be the same, same tune because the only one they know men
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  bad women most affected is basically in every instance so and has nothing to do
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  with actually giving a crap about men or women. It's just about lighting their
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  pockets and relevant. But let's keep going equality. And then some Samantha,
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  what do you think about this? Yeah, that's what men want. They
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  want equality. And then some I don't even think they want equality, They
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  just want to stop crapping on them. Yeah, I know. I think
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  it's so unfortunate because I think that men are suffering and that well, I
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  you know, it's like they get to serve for well ladies first, I
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  guess. But it's okay because like they don't really have anything. It's gonna
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  be. It's it. They don't really have anything. Honestly, they're just
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  they're just making this like you know how people say, why are you like
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  debating college feminists women in their or teenage feminists in their bedrooms. Ultimately there's
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  no difference between them and and you know, a feminist with multiple PhDs,
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  because they say the same crap. It's the same crap, So it doesn't
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  matter who it's coming from. If you know, it's like they're literally doing
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  like a it's like a pop a fly ball. You know, you can
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  just catch it, like because it's the same garbage all the time. So
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  Samantha Ettis and the other woman I'm you're not going to hear anything unique from
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  them that I wouldn't hear from like Lacey Green when she was doing YouTube.
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  It's gonna be the same stuff is just married and having kids. Now.
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  I don't you know, I don't know what she's up to lately. I
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  know that she started doing a show where she was like talking to people like
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  more like frankly and openly and stuff. But I don't know where she stands
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  on things I haven't seen her in forever. In race and gender, everyone
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  wins, and if we approached it as okay, if women have economic equality,
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  then men are also let off the hook a little bit. Then they
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  have less pressure. So I actually think that saying kind of I looked at
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  a lot of your news weren't a lot of what you say is that men
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  are I know, right, if women are making the same amount as men,
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  that makes men's life easier, right, girls, Well she thinks that,
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  yeah, women are just going to be like totally fine with like being
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  like an equal part spread winner or even the primary Yeah, exactly exactly,
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  Like they're not just going to increase their expectations. No, exactly, Well,
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  this is the same. That is what I'm saying it's the same argument,
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  and I'm at the point now where it's like, if you haven't started
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  asking yourself why women are not responding to this in the way that you presume
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  or you ask us to presume, then you must know that this is actually
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  not working. But you must know this what's actually you know, what's really
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  happening right now. There was a recent statistic that showed that the youngest generations
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  of boys have the highest rates of virginity, and people are trying to blame
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  porn like this has been going around, you know, like Lauren Southern's trying
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  to do this cope where she's like, oh, it's porn. No,
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  women are literally becoming harems for the top one percent. That's what's happening.
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  There are a small number of men that have access to more women, and
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  this is a byproduct of you know, like this sort of like hookup culture
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  and that kind of thing. So a large number of men are just being
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  left behind, not because they're not living up, not because they're not measuring
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  up, but because they're they're not the peak guy. And that is literally
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  happening right now. And this is like one hundred percent proof in my opinion
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  that with this woman is claiming is that, oh, well we're if we're
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  both, we're both economic equality. If we have that, then women are
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  gonna be like cool with it, and men are gonna be cool with it
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  because it takes a load off of them. No, it's not working out.
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  Women are just gonna raise their standards. They're gonna raise their standards,
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  raise their standards, and it doesn't matter what their what their beliefs are,
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  it doesn't matter what their politics are, it does none of that matter.
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  It doesn't matter how trad they are. They're going to look at their situation
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  and say I can do better because they have a instinct to do that.
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  They are the table, that's right, And then we're not aloud to say
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  that, like they're allowed to say that. Women are allowed to say that,
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  women are allowed to shout it to the hills. I'm the table.
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  What do you bring to the table, which which translates to how are you
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  better than me? How do you have more than me? How are you
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  superior to me? Right, that's what it translates to. And we're not
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  allowed to point out that that's what women are doing statistically, and that's what
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  they say they're doing. They want the bag right, Yes, okay,
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  let's all right to be the breadwinner, but hold the door, right?
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  Is that fair? Yes? Yes? And I think if you look at
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  it, the pressure will be off of men if we achieve economic equality.
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  So I very much agree with Samantha. We you know, we have women
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  to the degree that they succeed and achieve free men to not have to put
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  all the pressure on men just to be the breadwinner and to do experience what
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  I call the father's catch two men. So yeah, I mean he's agreeing
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  because I think he has a more of a yes and approach. Yes he
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  does. He's there, and this very gentleman was mobbed by rabbits, feminists,
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  them of all kinds of every well they used, they trod out the
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  whole playbook. Everybody knows the playbook right now, right, misogynist, rape
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  apologist, incess supporter, pedophile, like, they did all of it.
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  They did all of it. Yeah, and a lot of them, probably
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  like the college kids, they probably don't even really know. They were just
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  told this about him. Don't even know who he is. Yeah, they
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  don't even know who he is. So let's get to the meat experience.
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  When they have children, they feel pressure to. I could skip this like
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  doctor Ferrell does the whole thing where it's like, you know, men also
• 24:48
  have three options. They can work full time, work full time, or
• 24:52
  work full time. So let's let's play it through. You know, we'll
• 24:56
  stop for the but all we're going pretty quick, you can clip economically is
• 25:00
  the degree to which that is minimized. We're all in the same family boat,
• 25:06
  doctor Phil. When only one sex wins, both sexes lose well.
• 25:11
  But one of the things that I have to disagree with, or at least
• 25:15
  expand on, is when you're talking about this economic equality, you're defining currency
• 25:23
  in one dimension. And I've been married for forty four years and Robin,
• 25:32
  who now at this stage of our life, is very successful. That's doctor
• 25:37
  Phil's wife there, Robin. And that's right. That's another thing I was
• 25:41
  gonna mention when she said economic equality. I know this is a buzzword for
• 25:45
  some of you guys, but that's materialism. She's this is like a problem
• 25:49
  with these modern women is that they're way too They're told that if you have
• 25:55
  stuff, you're going to be happy, and it does not make them happy.
• 25:56
  It's not fulfilling in fact, what meant generally want more than anything is
• 26:02
  to be able to spend time with their children, which you can't like put
• 26:06
  a dollar amount to, you know. So like we're looking at a uh,
• 26:11
  there's a bit of talking past each other because she should know that like
• 26:17
  just having access to things like Margarita's and trips or whatever. I mean that
• 26:22
  stuff is fleeting. Like it's a weird thing to like become an activist over
• 26:27
  you know, I want more stuff. So I don't know, but it's
• 26:32
  a weird thing. But what makes sense with the with the logic of not
• 26:36
  realizing that the Constitution was bought with men's blood, it's beyond that's just it's
• 26:45
  just more that gives men more. They want more stuff. Who gave men?
• 26:52
  Who gave American men the Constitution? Gave it to them? It wasn't
• 26:56
  the case, you know, what gave it to him. What gave American
• 27:02
  men the Constitution was their willingness to fight, to fight for the autonomy of
• 27:10
  their nation. That's it, okay. Yeah, So that document that she
• 27:15
  says is just the thank you letter to white men. It was bought by
• 27:18
  men's blood. Of course, it's a thank you letter to white white men
• 27:23
  and black men to a degree. No, I agree one hundred percent,
• 27:29
  because like that's the thing she's trying eventually, always in the well. But
• 27:33
  like the truth is is that it was the Christian framework that allowed the Americans,
• 27:42
  the colon the colonists to realize that slavery was wrong. It was just
• 27:47
  a matter of how long it was going to take to abolish it, that's
• 27:49
  all. Yeah, Well, but what what I'm getting at is that black
• 27:52
  men also proved that they were willing to fight for the nation. Okay,
• 27:57
  so that it came, you know, franchise came from that. I have
• 28:03
  seen the letters that were written justifying franchise for black men based on their service
• 28:08
  to the state. Okay. So yeah, eventually that this also became a
• 28:12
  thank you letters not just to white men, but black men also sacrificed for
• 28:15
  it too. Asian men sacrificed sacrificed for it too. The only group of
• 28:22
  people that did not sacrifice for it was women, Okay, And so do
• 28:26
  not tell me that this is a thank you letter to all the men who
• 28:30
  sacrifice for its existence. That's true. Yeah, And it is really unfortunate
• 28:36
  that women are allowed to have this misperception of reality, and of course men
• 28:41
  just accept it because again men's identities are defined by protecting and providing for women.
• 28:47
  They just want women to be happy. No, they just don't,
• 28:49
  and also have a little space where they don't have to do shit. That's
• 28:53
  it, Like, that's right, that's it. They don't. They don't
• 28:57
  actually say no. Actually, this is really unfortunate. You know, it
• 29:00
  takes a while for men to learn how to do this, to stand up
• 29:03
  for themselves. It really does it like it really does, but to say,
• 29:10
  hey, no, I we men earned this. We earned this as
• 29:14
  a group because the Constitution had no place to exist before we made that place
• 29:19
  by dying for it. Mm hmm. I'm playing more tol entrepreneur economically,
• 29:27
  but early on she chose to be a stay at home mom, and there
• 29:33
  is no amount of money that I could have spent to equate to what she
• 29:40
  contributed to the family. Then once she fulfilled that role, she said,
• 29:45
  Okay, now I want to step out, and that doesn't mean that you
• 29:48
  can't be They're really nice of you to uh to accommodate that. I mean,
• 29:55
  do you do you see what's not being said here? Phil made that
• 29:59
  happen for his wife. Yes, he did what it took to give her
• 30:03
  these choices. Yes, is that going to be recognized at all? No,
• 30:07
  I don't think so okay to do that as well. She just chose
• 30:14
  to do it in a serial fashion. But she's very economically successful now,
• 30:18
  but she was very economically critical to our family at that time as well.
• 30:22
  When those children come, women have three choices, they say what works for
• 30:27
  all? Right, I'm gonna skip the actually let me yeah, because it's
• 30:33
  not what's making me say good lord, it's just this unexamined children, or
• 30:37
  I want to do some combination of the both. And forty percent of married
• 30:41
  women work full time, forty percent are involved with the children full time,
• 30:44
  twenty percent are part time workers. But oftentimes men in those same positions say,
• 30:49
  well, I have three choices too. Option one is I can work
• 30:52
  full time. Option two as I can work full time, an option three
• 30:55
  as I can work full time. And we call that liberation what In fact,
• 31:00
  it's not liberation. It's an obligation to earn money. Yeah, I'm
• 31:03
  not saying them get their violins out for you here. We have to take
• 31:07
  it bright man. For women. Yeah, I know, I know,
• 31:12
  well, they have had to speak this entire they've they've spoken for how long?
• 31:21
  And he got like one SoundBite in. I mean, yeah, doctor,
• 31:26
  they're not getting their violins out for them, because if they did,
• 31:29
  they'd have to actually recognize how much men work and sacrifice for women, not
• 31:36
  just how much. I mean, they don't even recognize how much men had
• 31:38
  to sacrifice for the Constitution in the first place. Like I find this in
• 31:42
  this entire dialogue embarrassing as a woman, because I recognize the level of sacrifice
• 31:48
  that went into the existence of that document, the existence of a free Britain
• 31:53
  after World War one and two. Okay, I recognize the level of sacrifice
• 31:59
  that men have made throughout history for their societies, and it is embarrassing to
• 32:02
  watch a woman with a child who has gone through menopause, a child who
• 32:10
  has gone through menopause yap about how those that document is somehow like a what
• 32:20
  did thank you car? Actually a thank you card is a good way of
• 32:22
  putting it. You're right, and it is one hundred percent earned. But
• 32:25
  to pretend like that's an unearned that they didn't earn, that they were the
• 32:30
  ones who did earn it. They earned it, They earned it, Yes,
• 32:37
  and they don't want to see that because then they have to recognize how
• 32:42
  much of their life, how much of that woman's life is founded on her
• 32:47
  husband's work and isn't really necessarily her alone? Okay, and how much doctor
• 32:54
  Phil is making his wife's life possible? And yeah, sure she took care
• 33:00
  of his kids. Those are she's taking care of her own kids too?
• 33:04
  Mm hmm, like I mean really, okay, all right, I'm gonna
• 33:08
  let's kid he started dating men? Oh I should wait, h let me
• 33:15
  see you so strong? He started dating men? Wait for you here?
• 33:22
  Uh, you take it break. We're going to meet a man who says
• 33:24
  his hatred for women grew so strong he started dating men that. I don't
• 33:30
  think it works that way, but anyway, we'll talk to him next.
• 33:35
  Apparently it does for him. I hate women. I think they're evil,
• 33:45
  I think they're manipulative. I think they're all bitches. All this has driven
• 33:49
  me to a point where I'm dating a man now. I literally have a
• 33:52
  boyfriend because I couldn't put up with women anymore. Aho al, I'm pausing
• 33:59
  there for then, so here comes the I guess like how much? No,
• 34:05
  no, the Jerry, the Jerry Springer character. Oh, I see
• 34:08
  guy, Like, let me know in the chat when you hear from him,
• 34:13
  is this guy a plant? Because I'm like, I've never heard of
• 34:16
  him before, and yet he gets on doctor Phil. I think it's really
• 34:21
  weird. I've I've you know, I've spoken to in cells, I've spoken
• 34:23
  to Mick Tao, people who are really frustrated with the way things are,
• 34:29
  and I've never heard of this guy. So let me know if you guys
• 34:30
  think he's like a fed or something like just just there to stir ship up,
• 34:37
  you know, before we get into it. So I probably should do
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• 35:25
  if we could get that covered, I'd really appreciate it. I really don't
• 35:30
  want to have to do arm twisting because I was like, oh, it's
• 35:32
  a break. I get to take a break from doing that. But if
• 35:36
  I have to, I will. If you make if you guys make me,
• 35:38
  I will do it. How's that for passive aggressive? All right,
• 35:42
  all right, let's do it. Has reportedly been a growing number of male
• 35:51
  only groups whose animosity towards females is accelerating an alarming rate. Now, my
• 35:55
  next guest is a former spokesman for on such group, and he says,
• 36:01
  well, in his words, he hates women so much that he started dating
• 36:07
  men. Are they going to try to understand this guy or just be like,
• 36:12
  oh my god, I can't believe it. Well, I don't want
• 36:14
  to give out a way. Look at it this way. Look at it
• 36:17
  this way. Men's identities protecting and providing for women. Right, they're probably
• 36:22
  just going to confirm that. Right. They can't believe. They don't even
• 36:27
  know what he is because he exists outside of that. You know, it's
• 36:31
  like an alien walked onto stage. You see what I'm saying? Yeah,
• 36:36
  okay, video shating exactly how he feels about women. I'm Jack Peterson.
• 36:42
  I was the spokesperson for the in cell community. It's a bunch of guys
• 36:45
  who have trouble getting laid. I hate women. I think they're evil and
• 36:49
  manipulative. They're all bitches just lying for as all of them. Men are
• 36:53
  discriminated against in our society. Men really are like the new minority, and
• 36:59
  I think that we need to regain control of women used to be in the
• 37:04
  nineteen fifties. All this has driven me, are you okay? Yeah,
• 37:08
  I know, I know, right, let me, let's finish his thing.
• 37:12
  But like this is like a little unbelievable. Like I remember when Bredeo
• 37:16
  was on like that that like Jubilee thing and he was saying some kind of
• 37:21
  like wild stuff. But this is like really like this is like no,
• 37:25
  ma'am, like married with children level stuff? Is this real? Like I'm
• 37:30
  sorry, I don't think no, man, Yeah, I have a boyfriend
• 37:34
  because I couldn't put up with women anymore. I couldn't put up with being
• 37:37
  cheated on by you know what, I think doing betrayed so pretty much.
• 37:42
  Wait, was he an insult or was he dating? Like this is really
• 37:45
  in cel? He was? He? That's so I'm saying, like this
• 37:47
  is this kind of glows in the dark. He ran and I don't know.
• 37:52
  This is the thing too. Like again, I have to say,
• 37:54
  we're watching Doctor Phil. Okay, this is a very popular show. Doctor
• 38:00
  Phil was friends with Oprah Winfrey. Oprah Winfrey had Doctor Warren Ferrell on her
• 38:06
  show, I think in the seventies or eighties, so like eighties massive.
• 38:13
  These are massive celebrities, and when they get people on, they get people
• 38:17
  on that are like probably at a comparable level of of they should be at
• 38:22
  a comparable level of say like renown, like doctor Warren Ferrell, who's probably
• 38:28
  like the most well known MRA in the world, like I mean just off
• 38:32
  the top of my head, definitely in the US, but probably in the
• 38:37
  whole world. Right, And he gets on these big talk shows. He's
• 38:40
  like he it works because he's got the appropriate candor. He's very polite,
• 38:46
  he's soft he's well spoken. He obviously will never attack feminism. You know,
• 38:52
  he will always like put women like at least at equal footing or be
• 38:57
  really kind because he doesn't want them to destroy him for it, I guess,
• 39:00
  or or he really believes it, which I think is more likely the
• 39:04
  case. But this guy, I'd never heard of him, Like, how
• 39:07
  does somebody like that get on Doctor Phil Because he's being used. He's being
• 39:12
  used. I mean, it's it's true. I mean he's he he's seen.
• 39:16
  That's what I'm saying. I think he's a plant, either like he's
• 39:20
  paid off by fucking George Soros to something, or he is like the They
• 39:24
  were like, let's find the craziest person and the most radical person we can
• 39:30
  get our hands on, or someone who just wants to start. Let me
• 39:34
  tell you what they're doing to raise their profile and put them on our show.
• 39:37
  Okay, let let me tell you what they're doing. Okay, they
• 39:40
  have Warren Ferrell there. The issues that men face are becoming so obvious and
• 39:47
  impossible to ignore, right, So they what they do is they bring this
• 39:52
  guy on and they handicap Warren Ferrell. They basically put a neck chain around
• 39:59
  Orren fel L's neck and tie him to this stone weight with this guy,
• 40:06
  because there is absolutely no reason for this man to be here except to discredit
• 40:09
  Warren Ferrell and his position and force Warren Ferrell to answer to him, which
• 40:14
  is ridiculous because Warren shouldn't have to answer to this individual. This individual is
• 40:20
  constructed by women's opinions on TikTok. Is constructed by women's opinions on YouTube.
• 40:25
  It's constructed by the incredibly callous mercenary attitudes that are being presented. It's constructed
• 40:37
  by the fact that we now exist in this soft polygamy. It's constructed by
• 40:42
  the fact that women didn't get rid of their standards for providership, they just
• 40:45
  increased them. And it's also constructed by feminist narrative saying that only certain things
• 40:52
  are masculine now and they're all negative. Right. This person, this man,
• 40:57
  this guy is a constructor of Warren Ferrell's opponents. He is their shit
• 41:04
  gollum, and they're trotting him out in order and saying, oh, well,
• 41:08
  look, Warren, this is a man. You answer to him.
• 41:12
  I'm like, well, no, this is your ship gollumn. You ship
• 41:15
  this guy out. It's your mess, not Warren Ferrell's. But that's what
• 41:20
  I think they're doing. I haven't seen this people. Absolutely, It's like
• 41:22
  they it's like they said, Okay, we're gonna have this really educated guy
• 41:27
  who's very knowledgeable and very polite and nice talk about men's issues. So what
• 41:30
  we need is somebody that represents everything that we hate about m RAS. So
• 41:37
  let's let's let's let let me just gave them. They had feminists make a
• 41:39
  list of everything wrong with m RAS and with men, and then they were
• 41:44
  like, we're gonna make a person out of all this. It was like
• 41:46
  sirpentor like take the DNA of every hater of every you know, like every
• 41:52
  misogynist fantasy they could come up with, you know, every whatever every year.
• 41:57
  It's the character that's exactly it. He's old and has a beard,
• 42:00
  and he like curses, and you know, it's like he's he's perfect,
• 42:05
  Like he's their perfect creation. Yeah, exactly, and then they and they
• 42:09
  put him on the show tap dance. Their ship is doing their little tap
• 42:15
  dance. Why should you have to answer to it? Why is the why
• 42:19
  is the discussion even being brought down to this level? Right? Yeah,
• 42:23
  But the ultimate goal of this entire structure is to simply make doctor Phil's phil
• 42:32
  audience, just to make them to keep them in their echo chamber. Who
• 42:38
  is doctor Phil's audience? It's women, Like women are the major Like remember,
• 42:44
  he was a friend of Oprah's. I don't know if they're still friends,
• 42:46
  but he was a friend of Oprah's. So his audience is Oprah's audience.
• 42:51
  This is what we're dealing with. So yes, there's no way,
• 42:54
  there's no way that this guy is not, you know, a one hundred
• 43:00
  percent like fake in one fashion or another. Let's let's like, yeah,
• 43:05
  you didn't choose you, Brian, they chose this dude. Okay, let's
• 43:08
  keep going. Well, Jack joined us live from Chicago. You said some
• 43:14
  things in that video very the meaning about women. Do you really feel that
• 43:21
  way? Okay? And meanwhile, the stupid bear meme is going like freaking
• 43:25
  viral. I would rather meet a man in the woods than a bear,
• 43:30
  or I would rather meet a bear in the woods in a man. Yeah,
• 43:37
  well, the bear pill is as far as I'm concerned. Now,
• 43:39
  it's if you're going to assert that, then let's imagine and a city of
• 43:45
  bears in which all of your interactions with men are replaced with interactions with bears.
• 43:52
  Yeah you want left, fine, go live in that city. Hell,
• 43:57
  imagine the city of women considering what what women due to each other in
• 44:00
  prison. The city of women is going to be an utter nightmare. But
• 44:02
  you know whatever, it's men's problem. Yeah, okay, women are evil.
• 44:09
  I honestly believe that women have the capacity to love, women have the
• 44:14
  capacity to be good. But they it says former spokesperson for in cell group.
• 44:19
  They didn't even get into the specific group anyway. Let's art. None
• 44:24
  of this, None of this seems real to me. Now, this is
• 44:28
  this is a show about men's right or for fels like, why have they
• 44:30
  why have they put this guy on the panel with me? No, this
• 44:34
  is I think this is the moment that he realized that this is total ship.
• 44:37
  Yeah right, like this is not real. We need to take away
• 44:42
  women's rights to make things good again, are you serious about this or are
• 44:45
  you just saying this to be provocative? Well, unintentionally based question mark.
• 44:52
  I'm sorry, I've been to a point now where I really am dating a
• 44:55
  man. I've been su and betray him. Why were you? Why were
• 45:04
  you? Okay, so he was the head of an insult for illusion too.
• 45:09
  Seriously, I think let's not take the illusion. Don't look too closely
• 45:14
  at the illusion. Just enjoy it like a fireworks show. Don't try to
• 45:19
  analyze the physics. That's right. Just treat him. You were just burying
• 45:25
  your head in your hands when he was saying what he was saying. Okay,
• 45:30
  relationship with women, women in the world, you do not control.
• 45:35
  You're taking responsibility for him. Wearing Warren. Yeah, he wants the responsibility
• 45:39
  for him. I think that he's trying to like pivot to something else.
• 45:44
  I think that he knows that this guy is thrown in. He's like a
• 45:46
  monkey wrench. Open your heart to them. You hear it when they're upset
• 45:50
  and they're angry, You hear them out when they you're on screen next to
• 45:54
  Jack. You might want to scoot a little bit to your right. But
• 46:00
  what do you want to say? Oh my goodness, I was going to
• 46:02
  ask if how did this become about Yeah you, we're just going to attack
• 46:07
  this guy now? No, yea, But seriously, like this guy has
• 46:10
  made everything about defending women. Was this not about men's issues? I?
• 46:20
  Yes, I get it. No, I get it is because the there
• 46:22
  is a great hole. There was a poll that he did at the beginning
• 46:27
  of the show that he mentions at the end of this video that I think
• 46:30
  is worth looking at. But I got a super chow, I got a
• 46:32
  show from Great Indoors, and he gives us ten dollars and says, I'm
• 46:37
  wondering how well that first woman's business is doing. If the goal of our
• 46:43
  company is as vague helping other women thrive, I bet it's some kind of
• 46:49
  useless NPO. You mean, like NNGO maybe where the CEO take oh nonprofit.
• 46:53
  Yeah, where the CEO takes in hundreds of thousands of dollars per year
• 46:57
  from the government, spreading propaganda in the way Allison has talked about in previous
• 47:01
  shows. Yeah, that's probably right. I mean, if I had to
• 47:05
  guess, I would say that I don't know. Like I said, these
• 47:08
  these women seem pretty well off and apparently connected because they were able to get
• 47:13
  on Doctor Phil's show. So ye, there you go. Doctor Phil is
• 47:16
  wasting his time with these people, though it's a clowne show mm hmm,
• 47:22
  because I don't know what era he's from, but it sure doesn't match up
• 47:24
  with any era i've ever seen. Really, I thought that men control women
• 47:30
  in this era, that's what your entire life though. I thought this was
• 47:34
  the current I thought this was the current year. I thought this guy was
• 47:37
  was not. I thought he was typical. So now you have to now
• 47:42
  you have to like explain to us how you're still oppressed. But this guy
• 47:45
  is an outlier. You know, it's really interesting how they brought this guy
• 47:50
  on this because he's not charismatic. He didn't. He looks awkward and uncomfortable,
• 47:57
  you know, he just doesn't. So he's basically brought here to just
• 48:01
  discredit anything and then turn it back into well, okay, we need we
• 48:07
  need to center women and women's feelings and women's rights and women women women,
• 48:15
  which I think that's what a civilization does, like they just do it to
• 48:19
  its own destruction. Okay, let's keep going, all right. Women is
• 48:25
  so offensive. It's really like having a guy come on and say, I'm
• 48:30
  white, I hate black people. I think we should be able to just
• 48:35
  how about you? It is a woman's example. It hates speech in the
• 48:37
  worst possible way. You know, you're a right to be cruel, mister.
• 48:43
  You can be as vile as you want. This is America. Your
• 48:46
  free speech rights dominate. But you're surprised. Yeah, for now, until
• 48:52
  you take away those rights. Women don't like you. Hell, you should
• 48:55
  have gone gay years ago. Wait to get Wait you didn't. You're ding
• 49:00
  the causal causal error. Wrong. He went gay as a result of women's
• 49:05
  behavior, right, Okay, but whatever, she would have gone gay years
• 49:08
  ago. Okay, Well there you go. Okay, let's keep going.
• 49:14
  This guy's a joke, but super constructive. Here's the Thing's wife stayed home,
• 49:20
  she took care of her, you know, her children, She took
• 49:22
  care of the house, probably cooked, and I bet it made for a
• 49:25
  happy marriage. She was not a career woman for years, and that was
• 49:30
  a successful situation. So he's talking about doctor Phil's wife. Now doctor Phil
• 49:34
  is going to be like, well, you're the lowest person on earth,
• 49:37
  so you can't you can't even have a common sense opinion on my wife.
• 49:42
  Let's well, Jesus in my opinion. All right. Two things, She
• 49:47
  is basically discrediting her own movement because she said, because she will assert that
• 49:52
  this is the way that women are treated. At the same time, she
• 49:55
  he wants she wants to judge this guy as being socially isolated because he says
• 50:01
  this is the way that women should be treated. Which is it? I
• 50:06
  mean, this guy is obviously just voicing the opinion of all men, because
• 50:08
  you want to appeal to that, to the belief that men have all have
• 50:12
  this opinion. At the same time as you want to say, well,
• 50:14
  you are just off in your own little corner as a misogynist, reflecting nothing
• 50:20
  of mainstream. Well, which is it? Choose one? And then now
• 50:23
  he's actually made a good point. Phil's life. Phil's wife was very traditional.
• 50:32
  Yeah, okay, let's all right, stay all job. Who's wife?
• 50:39
  Are you talking about? Your your wife? Phil? Oh? But
• 50:45
  it's true, bad example to pick there, Jack. My feeling is because
• 50:53
  I chose to be a stay at home mom and do my passionately take care
• 51:00
  of my home, our home, take care of our children, take care
• 51:06
  of our family, and take care of my husband, take care of myself,
• 51:10
  and did it so passionately. It therefore allowed fill up to do his
• 51:16
  job passion How does that? He said, here's the thing, if women
• 51:24
  loved men as they are. Okay, you know, honestly, this this
• 51:29
  whole idea that men don't pull their weight in in chores. This bullshit.
• 51:34
  Time you survey after time you survey has shown that when you include, when
• 51:39
  you include paid work, when you include chores, when you include the uh,
• 51:46
  the going back and forth from work, men and women do almost identical
• 51:51
  amount of work men, if not men doing about half an hour more.
• 51:55
  Okay, so this is just take that right off the table, all right.
• 52:00
  Also, married women are significantly happier than single women, so their husbands
• 52:05
  are making them emotionally happier. So let's take the emotional labor off the table.
• 52:08
  There's what married women are not losing out. Okay, let's take all
• 52:12
  of that off the table. Emusional lab Now, what I'm getting at is
• 52:19
  if women wanted to be with men, if women loved men for their companionship,
• 52:24
  there wouldn't be a single man, well maybe a few, but they
• 52:28
  would be. They would be they would find women who are interested in that.
• 52:30
  There would most men wouldn't be saying go back to the to the kitchen.
• 52:36
  What they're after is when women were in the kitchen, they loved men,
• 52:39
  or they at least appeared to love men or appreciate or respect them.
• 52:44
  That's it. When men want women wherever will make women love them. Okay,
• 52:53
  I want I want these women to understand that that whatever position women are
• 52:59
  in that makes them love men, that's the position most men want women to
• 53:04
  be in. Alison, Okay, let me repeat that. Yeah, you're
• 53:07
  going, oh, shoot your video. Your video froze too. I don't
• 53:13
  know why. Okay, well no, it's probably my internet, you know,
• 53:19
  like, let's be honest. Yeah, okay, let me let me
• 53:22
  clarify what I said. Okay, while I was going robo, I apologize
• 53:27
  for that. What I said was this is that most men want women in
• 53:31
  whatever position makes women love them. That's it. That's what's tragic about all
• 53:38
  of this. That's what utterly tragic about all of this. They bring this
• 53:42
  guy on and he is disillusioned because he doesn't think there's any way for him
• 53:47
  to take an action that will lead to a woman loving him. That's it.
• 53:52
  And he's lost hope. So he's dating men, probably because he's getting
• 53:55
  a better experience. At least he feels valued by his partner, right,
• 54:00
  and he's he's allowed to be embittered, like, I don't see why we
• 54:04
  all have to Like everybody, let's do a round table. Let's all dunk
• 54:07
  on the inst you know, it's like, well, why are you why
• 54:13
  do you think that this is something worth responding to? Right? Like,
• 54:16
  does he like I mean, does he like teach children in schools? Does
• 54:21
  he like run the He's just something with an opinion. But you know what
• 54:25
  I mean like this, you guys like you really like you drill down on
• 54:30
  that. What it's like finding Yeah, it's like finding out there's a there's
• 54:34
  a spider in the bathroom. Just destroy it, like with with a flamethrower
• 54:38
  because you you just don't want it to like multiply or something. Well,
• 54:43
  you know. But what's really hilarious is he's not really an expert on being
• 54:45
  an insult because he's had no friends. No, yeah, he's had girlfriends
• 54:50
  and boyfriends. He's the local color. He's the local color. Is the
• 54:58
  ship colored? Gol. But he makes a good point, and I'm going
• 55:02
  to translate this. He's basically saying, Phil, when your wife was in
• 55:09
  this particular position, she expressed love and respect for you. So I think
• 55:15
  that more women should be in that position, because then they'll express love and
• 55:20
  respect for more women for men. I don't know if he's right, but
• 55:23
  that's what he's saying. That's it. Yeah, and none of this is
• 55:28
  productive because it's all takes place in the context of this kind of incredibly angry
• 55:36
  relationship between men and women, like this constant sense of conflict between men and
• 55:39
  women without an understanding that all most men want is to be able to put
• 55:46
  women in a position, to use their skills and abilities to put women in
• 55:51
  a position in which women will love them. Am I wrong? No,
• 55:55
  this man is probably exactly the same. He doesn't hate women, he hates
• 56:01
  the fact that he thinks that it's impossible to be loved by a woman.
• 56:06
  Now that's tragic. Yep, all right, I got a super chat from
• 56:10
  albert Ina Retro gave us two dollars. Canadian says he didn't go gay.
• 56:15
  He's an actor. Now I'm gonna play more. It's only because I was
• 56:20
  so passionate about my decision he then had the opportunity to be passionate about his
• 56:29
  career. Let me say, he even said I agree, Like he just
• 56:35
  said that. Of course they're going to talk over him now because he's a
• 56:37
  bad guy. We've we've already cast him. This is actually making me feel
• 56:42
  sort of ill in our family. When these decisions were made by the way,
• 56:47
  we were so poor. I've often said, if it wasn't for two
• 56:52
  for one burger Bucks, one of us would have starved. And thank god
• 56:54
  she didn't eat there as much as I did. We have to take a
• 56:59
  break a woman who well there again again, just want to point out I'm
• 57:04
  glad for you, doctor Phil. You were with someone and you were poor,
• 57:07
  and you you managed to live by the means that were available to you
• 57:13
  until you made it work. This is good, but it's also rare.
• 57:17
  This is the this is the problem today. That attitude would not fly like
• 57:23
  for many women would say, well, why your your dusty bum? Why
• 57:28
  would I mess around with you? I can find like another man that has
• 57:30
  more so like you. It only worked because you found a partner that was
• 57:37
  willing to work with you where you both were, where you were at so
• 57:42
  so that you could build something, and she supported you while you did that.
• 57:45
  You are literally explaining what the problem is by your own example as an
• 57:51
  attempt to dunk on this guy, this cartoon, this stand up relationship is
• 57:57
  his example. Yes, who was pointing out that your relationship is the example
• 58:01
  that like would be best despite your economic circumstances. If anything, the woman
• 58:07
  on your panel that thinks that's all it's all about money and economic equality and
• 58:12
  all that. She's probably the one that you're sort of opposing, even though
• 58:16
  you won't dare do that because you're kind of a simp, because like you
• 58:22
  would basically you would have to convince her that having money or like access to
• 58:28
  material wealth is not as important as love and commitment. And you know your
• 58:35
  your relationship. So it walked away from the feminist movement. She'll tell us
• 58:40
  why next before we get into casting. J I just want to know,
• 58:45
  Yeah, after the commercial break, Okay, okay, all right, So
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  is my least favorite, one of my least favorite activities to do. All
• 1:00:08
  right, let's let's watch a little bit more, all right. Cassie Jay
• 1:00:15
  says a controversial documentary she made about the men's rights movement didn't just change her
• 1:00:22
  point of view, it changed her life. Take a look, men and
• 1:00:28
  Boys are in Prices and the ager support. Every society survived based on its
• 1:00:34
  ability to train its sons to be disposable of workplace. The family course system
• 1:00:44
  truly, but if you start to talk about those issues, people get hosted.
• 1:00:52
  Oh ship, Big Randon, fucking scum girl, the gender version.
• 1:01:00
  We're not blaming. Michael Kimmel has been discredited. Yeah, Karen, Yeah,
• 1:01:08
  so Michael Kimmel disgraced. Yeah, that was like a bit of a
• 1:01:15
  like I had a rush of nostalgia wash over me when I saw those people,
• 1:01:20
  like, yeah, these were the days. The woman, the Toronto
• 1:01:24
  woman with the piercings. That was like, you know it's you know,
• 1:01:34
  I love I swear I love I love I love that that Big Red and
• 1:01:38
  and fucking scum Girl are like in the main they are mortal. Big Red
• 1:01:46
  is immortalized all over the internet, like she is the face of feminism,
• 1:01:51
  Like it's her and that woman that was screaming at the sun. You know,
• 1:02:00
  I love it. I love it. Oh yeah, yeah, we
• 1:02:02
  need to we need to have a full care and experience. So bring it
• 1:02:07
  back here and go back to write right here. You're beliefs of the white
• 1:02:12
  natural. We're not. We just named everything bad after them. Well.
• 1:02:21
  Joining now from San Francisco is Red Pill documentary maker Cassie j So. Cassie,
• 1:02:25
  thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. How did this change
• 1:02:29
  things for you? Oh? Complete, Uh well, I don't know about
• 1:02:34
  one eighty, but I can summarize that. I started out as a very
• 1:02:37
  staunch feminist for about ten years before making the Red Pill documentary, and after
• 1:02:45
  about three and a half years until I completed the film, I no longer
• 1:02:49
  call myself a feminist. I'm also not a men's rights activist, but I
• 1:02:53
  definitely see both sides, and I find myself somewhere in the middle where I
• 1:02:58
  can understand book. What was the biggest revelation to you when you got into
• 1:03:04
  your research and started talking to some of the participants in the documentary? Gosh,
• 1:03:10
  well, I mean the line I would to pause it there for a
• 1:03:14
  moment. Uh so, I again, Cassie has had two kids since she
• 1:03:21
  married her boyfriend, so at the time she was dating this guy, very
• 1:03:24
  nice guy. By the way. I met him at a couple of icy
• 1:03:28
  mines. I think, yes, I got along with him right away.
• 1:03:31
  You know, he reminds me of an old friend of mine from Chicago.
• 1:03:35
  Very He's very reminiscent of that guy. And she said that when she was
• 1:03:39
  making the movie she was dating him, but she wasn't sure she wanted to
• 1:03:45
  marry him like she was. Actually I wouldn't say she was thinking about breaking
• 1:03:47
  up, but she was definitely like not thinking about like you know, being
• 1:03:52
  tied down, you know, like she was when when Cassie j says she's
• 1:03:55
  feminist, she was feminist, Like she was not, you know with this,
• 1:04:00
  she was like die of the wool. She actually made the documentary for
• 1:04:03
  anybody who's new, she made the documentary in order to debunk the Men's movement,
• 1:04:10
  to like expose them as misogynists, but because she has integrity and did
• 1:04:15
  the work and talked to the people in the movement and got to know them
• 1:04:18
  and understand where they were coming from. Even Paul, who's probably the one
• 1:04:23
  of the more abrasive parts, you know, because like Warren Ferrell, you'll
• 1:04:28
  probably walk away going, how can I hate this guy? He's basically a
• 1:04:30
  teddy bear, but Paul's the opposite of that, right, And she was
• 1:04:33
  like, but see, that was what Paul does well, is he gets
• 1:04:39
  your attention and then you want to understand why he feels that way. And
• 1:04:44
  if you're somebody who wants to learn the truth, you'll learn that anyway.
• 1:04:46
  So since then after when she actually changed her mind was not while she was
• 1:04:51
  making the film, but while she was editing the film. This is a
• 1:04:56
  conversation that I had with her when I did the interview way back and when
• 1:05:00
  we were in Australia, and she said that she she changed her mind during
• 1:05:04
  the editing of the film, not the making of the film. So she
• 1:05:09
  was still ready to like, you know, make this like hit piece,
• 1:05:13
  but when she did the editing, she was like, I'm I was wrong
• 1:05:15
  about a lot right, And since then it also changed her relationship. And
• 1:05:20
  this was another thing I talked to her about when I did the interview,
• 1:05:24
  was that like she found that this man that helped her make these movies,
• 1:05:30
  that was involved from the get go, he was like ride or die,
• 1:05:32
  and she married him and then they had children together and she's on her second
• 1:05:36
  child. Her first child actually was a miscarriage, which was really tragic.
• 1:05:41
  So she's actually had three attempts. But and she was going to make a
• 1:05:45
  documentary about miscarriage, yes, making that public, right or yeah, she
• 1:05:49
  made that public. Yeah, because she was going to make a documentary about
• 1:05:53
  miscarriage and based on that experience. So but yeah, so Cassie Jay has
• 1:05:59
  been like completely transformed. I follow on Instagram and I would suggest you follow
• 1:06:03
  her on Instagram too, But anyway, yeah, I mean I don't do
• 1:06:08
  anything on Instagram except follow a couple of people, but Cassie is one of
• 1:06:12
  them. So okay, boundury list of men's issues just goes on and on
• 1:06:16
  and on, and we don't have enough time to discuss each one. But
• 1:06:20
  suicide rates seventy three or I'm sorry, seventy eight percent of all suicides are
• 1:06:26
  men. Workplace fatalities nine percent in the US or men. There's child custody
• 1:06:32
  issues, there's child supports, imprisonment for failure to pay child support. There's
• 1:06:39
  many, many, many issues. I could go on and on if you'd
• 1:06:42
  like. I find it interesting that some of those things that you're describing about
• 1:06:48
  airtime in terms of the suicide rates, the fatality gates on the job because
• 1:06:55
  what people bring in clowns like that. Yeah, and I mean, ultimately
• 1:06:59
  he had a good point, but really he turned everything back to talking about
• 1:07:04
  women instead of talking about instead of talking about men's issues. Sorry, guys,
• 1:07:10
  I have to get used to getting close into the mic in order to
• 1:07:15
  improve the sound. But you know, like that's are you are you looking?
• 1:07:20
  Are you looking uh Cassie up on Instagram there, Brian, Yeah,
• 1:07:26
  I'm looking at Cassie's picture with her husband there. Ah yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:31
  I was just curious about like anyway, oh yeah, and that sort of
• 1:07:36
  thing. That's not the kind of equality that women talk about wanting. They
• 1:07:42
  want different kinds of equality, but there are risks associated with that as well,
• 1:07:46
  And you agree with that, right absolutely. I think that you know,
• 1:07:50
  as we gain equality in this world, we're going to see a lot
• 1:07:56
  of discomfort and a lot of things that make both sides uncomfortable. And I
• 1:08:01
  think what we've seen from your conversation, we're not But no one's gonna make
• 1:08:05
  women go to the mines and like come on coal, Like that's not gonna
• 1:08:10
  happen. They're not gonna send women to like lay down tar on the you
• 1:08:16
  know, like asphalt on the street. That's not like, that's not gonna
• 1:08:19
  happen. Like why are we pretending like as we become more equal, like
• 1:08:25
  women are gonna be more uncomfortable? Maybe like that's not gonna happen, because
• 1:08:30
  well, I mean, as it should be, men and women should have
• 1:08:33
  choices in their life unless you're gonna start forcing women to like take out the
• 1:08:38
  g like like be garbage collectors and sewer workers and like you know, like
• 1:08:43
  work on uh I don't know, like electric power lines, like you know,
• 1:08:47
  like unless you're gonna make them do that. This is is not gonna
• 1:08:50
  happen. Like this is so such a joke. It's such a joke.
• 1:08:55
  But anyway, yeah, great, Indeor has just sent us a super chat
• 1:08:59
  super child for five bucks. And he didn't say anything, so I don't
• 1:09:00
  know if he meant to, like say, okay, let me see what's
• 1:09:03
  going on in the back here, and Albernata Retro gave us I'll do I'll
• 1:09:08
  do that in a second. Albernata Retro gaves us two dollars. Canadian says
• 1:09:11
  Cassie's husband worked on ant Man and The Lost? Did he really I know
• 1:09:15
  that they were. I know that they work in the business. I mean,
• 1:09:20
  I'm happy for him, but not a great movie, be honest.
• 1:09:25
  Not his fault. I'm sure that he wasn't like involved with the writing.
• 1:09:29
  But anyway, Jen is that there's actually a lot more common ground than than
• 1:09:35
  we realized. But it's when nobody speaks. I mean, obviously we have
• 1:09:40
  an extreme here with Jack, and I think an extreme. I know,
• 1:09:45
  I feel sorry for Jack. I feel that he's obviously suffering and feels that
• 1:09:48
  what by other people suffering, he will alleviate his own suff How are you
• 1:09:54
  suffering? Because he's suffering? Like, honestly, like lady, he's not
• 1:09:59
  good to make anyone suffer if the only thing he's doing is dating, dating
• 1:10:03
  dudes, like, nobody's suffering from him. It's the words he's saying,
• 1:10:09
  mean words, Alison. He's basically that he's basically, uh, cat turd.
• 1:10:15
  This is cat turd personify. That's what this is. I'm I'm calling
• 1:10:19
  it. This is my head canon. That guy is cat turd. The
• 1:10:25
  Yeah, I mean like I missed a gland that's handed out to women at
• 1:10:30
  birth. But I don't care. Let him with the boyfriend, Let him
• 1:10:33
  hate women? Who cares? Yeah? Right? Who move on? He
• 1:10:38
  likely doesn't. But yeah, I honestly think that what he hates is the
• 1:10:42
  idea that women can't he can't be loved by a woman. That's it.
• 1:10:45
  Yeah, But you know what if he's genuinely able to find happiness with a
• 1:10:48
  man, I think that's great, right, Like, if that's if that's
• 1:10:55
  what he wants. If and he's and he's he's doing it fine. Like
• 1:11:00
  I don't think it's a good idea to date another person out of spite,
• 1:11:03
  which you know really gets to a lot of feminist approaches to things. But
• 1:11:08
  you know, don't do things out of spite because that's ultimately not very helpful
• 1:11:13
  and not very healthy for yourself. But if he's happy, he's happy,
• 1:11:16
  if he's found happiness with him, man, all power to him. I
• 1:11:20
  take a nothing burger. It's a nothing burger. This man is a nothing
• 1:11:24
  burger. Okay. I feel like none of these I don't know, there's
• 1:11:29
  something very shallow, not genuine about most of these conversations, Like there's just
• 1:11:33
  no, it's not a real conversation. This is why TV is dying.
• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:44
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• 1:11:46
  I really appreciate you coming in clutch. There. That good. So we
• 1:11:54
  basically have like ninety dollars left just to fill in that gap. And I
• 1:11:57
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• 1:12:01
  out goal it just it just ended up that we had like a bit of
• 1:12:06
  a a fall. I can't give you the word. We just had a
• 1:12:14
  gap that needed to be covered last minute. So let us let us continue,
• 1:12:19
  all right. I've suffered at the hands of women, and as far
• 1:12:26
  as taking away women's rights and what I talked about before, I think that
• 1:12:30
  would be a better situation for them where they would be happier. When you
• 1:12:33
  say, last rights, what kind of rights are you saying should be taken
• 1:12:38
  away from women? Why are we talk about women's right? Let's predict,
• 1:12:42
  let's predict. What do you think he's gonna say? What do you think
• 1:12:45
  he's gonna say? Guys, who knows? But like, why are we
• 1:12:49
  talking about women's rights? Like why is all the the air in the room
• 1:12:54
  being sucked out? Again? I got to just mentioned women and it'll go
• 1:12:58
  away. Okay, let's I have no interest in what this man Okay,
• 1:13:03
  okay, this random dude just fell out of someone's closet just like boop bam,
• 1:13:09
  he's there. Oh yeah, let's just put him on. Let's find
• 1:13:12
  out what he thinks about men's women's rights, and so we don't have to
• 1:13:15
  talk to Warren Ferrell about the problems facing ment Like, yeah, I'm not
• 1:13:20
  I am not impressed by this, nor am I nor am I taken in
• 1:13:24
  by this bullshit? Okay, let's let's let's get it, get it over
• 1:13:29
  with, shall we say? I don't think they should have the right to
• 1:13:31
  vote. I don't think they should be I think they should Good luck,
• 1:13:35
  you're gonna have to convince them of that. I think they should be forced
• 1:13:39
  to stay home and submit to a man. Do you hear the crowd?
• 1:13:54
  So funny, It's so funny, how traumatized the audience gets at this,
• 1:13:59
  this random guy saying this, like it doesn't it just where did they go?
• 1:14:04
  They go, like to like some homeless park in the city and grab
• 1:14:08
  this guy and say, hey, say a bunch of bullshit. I know,
• 1:14:13
  I know what right you want to be famous? Kid? Just say
• 1:14:16
  repeal the nineteenth and watch the screams. Like talking about this, the fact
• 1:14:21
  that there are that this reaction even manifests it doesn't really make a good case
• 1:14:28
  for women. I'm sorry, ladies, but if you're reacting to this random
• 1:14:30
  guy saying this in this way like you're just so aghast, Like what does
• 1:14:34
  that say about you? Like you don't follow through it. Logically, Okay,
• 1:14:40
  who's going to vote to get rid of women's boat. Well, it's
• 1:14:42
  gonna help be women, all right, Well then don't do that. Don't
• 1:14:45
  do it. Just don't do it, ladies, just don't. And the
• 1:14:47
  other thing is that I don't know, I don't even know why we need
• 1:14:51
  to this. This guy is taking attention away from men's issues. And I
• 1:14:56
  think that's the essential point. I think it is too. Yeah, I
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  mean, like I wouldn't there there's plenty of more qualified people. They literally
• 1:15:02
  have the trailer for the red Pill. They could have literally talked to Paul
• 1:15:06
  or Karen or like they could have been online. I mean maybe Paul was
• 1:15:11
  approached and he was like fuck that, I'm not going on there. I
• 1:15:15
  don't know, maybe him, Yeah, I mean, like we could talk
• 1:15:20
  to somebody who actually talks about men's issues, like this is not a men's
• 1:15:25
  issue. This is talking about women's rights. It's not a men's issue,
• 1:15:29
  the separate thing like yeah, but they don't treat it like a zero sum
• 1:15:32
  game though. See. That's another thing is they have to make it into
• 1:15:35
  this this this competition, which it doesn't have to be. Yeah, this
• 1:15:41
  Carnivale how how could for Bolton? I am I'm actually really pissed on behalf
• 1:15:55
  of Cassie because now they're making her answer to this dipship that they found.
• 1:15:59
  They are going to you, Oh, I'm going to say something really rude,
• 1:16:09
  you, beauty. I just like ship really make it clear that Jack
• 1:16:15
  the inceel does not represent the men's rights movement. So he is absolutely an
• 1:16:20
  extremist that I certainly disagree with. I'm sure doctor Warren Ferrell does. What
• 1:16:26
  do you disagree with? Old Hill believed in and supported women's rights, and
• 1:16:34
  they are bringing this random extremist. Why don't they just go to the average
• 1:16:40
  feminist academia and just find someone with tenure and then bring her on and she'll
• 1:16:46
  say even more radical stuff than he is. They could do that. I'd
• 1:16:51
  be surprised if they were already feminists willing to actually engage, because whenever they
• 1:16:56
  do, they get demolished. Michael Kimmel, this is their new this is
• 1:17:00
  their new strategy. Yeah, bring on, like either bring on a crazy
• 1:17:06
  person or create a crazy person and then just or is there something like or
• 1:17:12
  is he just looking down? You probably promised some fentanyl or something to do
• 1:17:15
  this. I have no idea. This is just really not real to me.
• 1:17:19
  And I love the background. Really. Yeah, he's like institutional lord.
• 1:17:30
  They constantly do ship like this, like she should not have to answer
• 1:17:33
  to him. This is a waste of time. This is a waste of
• 1:17:36
  everyone's time. You have brought two of the most important voices in men's issues
• 1:17:42
  onto your show. I know that Cassie doesn't identify as a men's rights activist,
• 1:17:46
  but she is an important voice in men's issues, and so is Warren
• 1:17:50
  Ferrell. And you have this joker and he is derailing everything. And this
• 1:17:57
  is what's so infuriated, because I think that's the point. Yeah he is.
• 1:18:00
  I think that is a point why they also care about men's rights.
• 1:18:05
  So, but women are less than see that. You see his face.
• 1:18:15
  He's got the duper's delight. Yeah, I know he's he's full of ship.
• 1:18:19
  Mm hmm. Somebody's got a fentanyl package just out of out of sight,
• 1:18:24
  saying, hey, good good, Clap for it, Clap for it,
• 1:18:28
  clap for it. And I know there's guys who have these opinions,
• 1:18:31
  and they're also not men's rights activists, nor are they interested in men's issues.
• 1:18:35
  Most of these guys couldn't give a crap about child custody or you know,
• 1:18:43
  men being raped and experiencing domestic violence with those services, or false accusations.
• 1:18:48
  Maybe they care about false accusations or circumcision or any of all of the
• 1:18:54
  various issues that people who actually care about men think about, Like you don't.
• 1:19:00
  There's no connection between caring about those issues and saying women need their rights
• 1:19:03
  taken away, except that so far, despite being the drivers of our political
• 1:19:11
  system, women have yet to take responsibility for the issues that men face.
• 1:19:15
  And yes, it is women's responsibility. Like men take responsibility for protecting and
• 1:19:19
  providing for women when they aren't able to do it for themselves, women should
• 1:19:24
  do the same for men, full stop. And I don't think we're gonna
• 1:19:29
  go forward until that happens. Like, this is what we need to figure
• 1:19:32
  out, to straighten out and figure out. This is the thing, This
• 1:19:36
  is what This is the question that the human race now has, and we
• 1:19:41
  got to figure it out or we're not going forward. There's no future and
• 1:19:45
  it's not going to it's not gonna be figured out by Oh, women will
• 1:19:48
  vote to get rid of their own vote. Well, maybe once you figure
• 1:19:53
  out women taking responsibility for all of society, not just themselves. Yep.
• 1:19:58
  Right, and and there there is no way to argue that this is not
• 1:20:00
  the case, because there's all kinds of narratives right now excusing women for not
• 1:20:05
  having to take responsibility for society, and that starts with, oh, society
• 1:20:10
  oppresses women, Men oppress women right there right in that narrative, which is
• 1:20:15
  central to our society is the narrative that women do not have to take responsibility
• 1:20:18
  for their control or their power in society. All they need to do is
• 1:20:25
  make society serve them. That is not a functional attitude long term, right,
• 1:20:30
  Okay, But regardless, how do you get women to vote, to
• 1:20:33
  get rid of their vote without dealing with the issue of women taking responsibility for
• 1:20:39
  their power? That requires women taking responsibility for their power. Yeah, okay,
• 1:20:45
  I mean, if one wants to understand the men's Issues movement see Cassie
• 1:20:51
  Jay's read, they will And also to the exactly what you were talking about
• 1:20:58
  before. It's like war and fair try to salvage something is a lose lose
• 1:21:01
  situation. Yeah, because he knows, he knows it's a setup. He's
• 1:21:04
  got to know, so he's like, well, okay, just go watch
• 1:21:08
  Cassie's movie. This is a waste of your time. That is not you
• 1:21:12
  know, shruy salvage. Some men need the help of men to raise the
• 1:21:16
  children. And what's often happening with boys today is that the boys that are
• 1:21:21
  part of the boy crisis. The boy crisis resides where dads do not reside.
• 1:21:27
  Children who are not raised by death Joe have dad involvement, are hurt
• 1:21:31
  in more than fifty different areas, including suicide, drug addiction, homicide,
• 1:21:38
  you know, all your can we just agree on one thing that if Jack
• 1:21:43
  is the man in the family, the children and the mother should run like
• 1:21:46
  hell in the other direction because you don't need it have a one parent family.
• 1:21:51
  Oh you and him anywhere near any child? What a long show?
• 1:21:58
  A long show? Yeah, of course right, And of course he gets
• 1:22:03
  applause. These women are not even like really thinking about what Warren pharaohs.
• 1:22:12
  They're in the emotional zone because this woman is essentially making the women in the
• 1:22:18
  audience relive the trauma of this random dude on their panel that said women shouldn't
• 1:22:26
  vote and they should stay home and raise children. And she's like, you're
• 1:22:29
  gonna relieve this, and I'm gonna make war and Farrell answer for that somehow.
• 1:22:32
  Yeah, and why does he have to answer for this, this idiot
• 1:22:36
  or not even an idiot, like I mean, he made a good point.
• 1:22:41
  But let's let's hear it. Let's let's hear the end of it,
• 1:22:44
  all right, let me let me go back a little bit. And the
• 1:22:45
  mother should run like hell in the other direction because you don't need him.
• 1:22:49
  Better to have a one parent family, one woman than have him anywhere near
• 1:22:55
  any child. We're any gay, but I think we'll can agree about that.
• 1:23:00
  I've got to take a break. We've heard a lot of opinions from
• 1:23:03
  some of the leading figures in the field of been a way rides. Lord,
• 1:23:13
  what a circus you remember? Can I just say, do you remember
• 1:23:17
  when we did a multi person paneled debate on that one channel on Twitch the
• 1:23:28
  flock or the wick Wick TV or whatever it was, and you said afterwards,
• 1:23:31
  these are not serious people. Mm hmmm. I think that you understate
• 1:23:38
  how normal that conversation is. Because this is the same conversation. You can
• 1:23:43
  say these aren't serious people either. But these people are all over television,
• 1:23:46
  all over the internet. Everyone is seeing that. So this is normy content,
• 1:23:50
  just like that was normy content. So unfortunately, this is like where
• 1:23:57
  we should be batting at. I mean, like that's where people are.
• 1:24:01
  So this is why I felt that even though we could dismiss those conversations as
• 1:24:09
  not serious, I mean, the truth is is that it's closer to normal
• 1:24:13
  because this is actually like less interesting than that was. You know what I'm
• 1:24:18
  saying. Yeah, yeah, no, no, I got what you're saying.
• 1:24:23
  I do have Let's let's do a little bit more and then I gotta
• 1:24:25
  do thank you? All right, Well this is got I really appreciate the
• 1:24:29
  fact that I have to do it. Thank you. You noticed I want
• 1:24:34
  to I want to point something out. You notice how Warren Ferrell was actually
• 1:24:39
  getting to the point of talking about a men's issue, right, yeah,
• 1:24:43
  and then they just completely derailed it. She completely derailed it to return to
• 1:24:47
  talking about women. You know, whatic sand m Yeah, okay, let's
• 1:24:55
  keep it. We as a society discriminating against and attacking men for simply being
• 1:25:00
  who they are, or are certain groups of men being emasculated by the steady
• 1:25:03
  growth of the women rights movement? Now these are just some of the court
• 1:25:08
  what's the difference, what it's the way we Wait, can I hear that
• 1:25:13
  again? Tell me the difference between these two comparisons that doctor Phil's bringing up.
• 1:25:16
  Because I'm confused, let me go back a little bit more. An
• 1:25:21
  attacking man for simply being who they are. Wait, where's a society discriminating
• 1:25:30
  against an attacking man for simply being who they are? Or are certain groups
• 1:25:35
  of men being emasculated by the steady growth of the women rights movement? At
• 1:25:42
  what's the difference? Like, I mean, when you say certain groups of
• 1:25:46
  men, well yeah, but like okay, maybe when he says certain groups
• 1:25:49
  of men are feeling and masculated, he's saying that there are. It's either
• 1:25:56
  happening to all men and it's undeserved, or it's happening to certain men but
• 1:26:00
  it is deserved. Maybe that's what he means by that, because the man
• 1:26:03
  that feels upset by this or feels emasculated, it's on you. But if
• 1:26:09
  we as a society are attacking men in mass but just for being who they
• 1:26:13
  are, well, then maybe that's a problem. You know. I Mean,
• 1:26:16
  it sounds like there's no difference, but I think that's the difference.
• 1:26:19
  I think that it's like you're either in the camp of men that can that
• 1:26:24
  can take the heat, or you're in the camp of men that can't take
• 1:26:27
  the heat. These are just some of the questions that we've been discussing this
• 1:26:31
  past hour and that rage on the internet, and you know, I just
• 1:26:38
  want to say my position on this is you listen to extremists that get out
• 1:26:45
  in you know, the real far reaches where they leave logic behind and they
• 1:26:53
  start taking radical positions. And I've here's referring to the plant. I think
• 1:26:59
  that it doesn't matter like he's if you think that becoming gay is radical,
• 1:27:05
  I mean, dude, it is the crazy sort of homophobic there at bit.
• 1:27:12
  I mean, so the guy became gay, Okay, I mean maybe
• 1:27:15
  maybe he was. Maybe his trauma comes from his mother. I mean,
• 1:27:19
  but like, I mean, we would ask, but you know, you
• 1:27:24
  can't ask. I just say, has the wrong opinions? Okay, before
• 1:27:28
  you continue, just let me get in here. Okay. So the person
• 1:27:35
  that we brought in to derail the discussion. Mh, what do we think
• 1:27:43
  about this person? I think that you brought him in to derail the discussion.
• 1:27:47
  Yeah, to frame it and to take it away from discussing men's issues.
• 1:27:54
  And you have to realize that men see this. Men see the length
• 1:27:58
  that you go to to avoid actually addressing the issues that they have, and
• 1:28:02
  they have to live in a society that will not Like how long have I
• 1:28:08
  been doing this, I have not seen let me let me put it this
• 1:28:12
  way, I have not seen significant progress in men or sorry, in society
• 1:28:15
  dealing with men's issues. What I've seen is significant progress in society destroying itself
• 1:28:23
  because it isn't dealing with men's issues, which you know, there's a difference
• 1:28:27
  there. And I hope people understand that we're gonna beat our heads against this
• 1:28:31
  until women take responsibility and they'll hither have to take responsibility to take away their
• 1:28:35
  vote or they'll have to take responsibility for our society to be able to sustain
• 1:28:41
  it. And there is no way that men can't have a voice in our
• 1:28:44
  society and have a sustainable society. Right. So, yeah, that's what
• 1:28:48
  I think about that extremist. I'm and and you know, bringing on some
• 1:28:53
  female extremists. And also I would point out that, in my opinion,
• 1:28:57
  saying that men oppressed women is extremism. Yeah, it's never been proven.
• 1:29:02
  It is an outrageous statement to say that the male half of a species would
• 1:29:10
  do anything but be either if the female half isn't in need of them,
• 1:29:15
  they just screw off and do their own thing, or if the female half
• 1:29:19
  is in need of them, they stick around and help. Like. Those
• 1:29:24
  are the two options in in the in the wild and in evolution. That's
• 1:29:28
  it. Well, I mean there's some variations between those two options, but
• 1:29:30
  those are the two extremes. Nowhere does the male animal, for example,
• 1:29:35
  eat the head of the female animal after he impregnates her for obvious reasons.
• 1:29:42
  So this whole narrative of oppression is an unproven extremism right from the start.
• 1:29:47
  All right, let's I could go on, but I don't want to because
• 1:29:51
  I want I don't want to. You know, that's where you create divide.
• 1:30:00
  But I think if you talk to intelligent people about coming together, all
• 1:30:06
  of those things fall away. Let me tell you something. If if if
• 1:30:12
  I go through a windshield and have a head injury and wind up in the
• 1:30:16
  hospital and I look up and the finest surgeon there is a mother instead of
• 1:30:25
  a father, I could care less. Yeah, but again, this is
• 1:30:30
  kind of a stupid thing because nobody's saying women like again, unless you're responding
• 1:30:35
  to the gol. Nobody's saying that. But but but you might, you
• 1:30:41
  might be a little worried if the hospital was using DEI practices and that's why
• 1:30:45
  there's a woman there, So like there is an argument to be made that
• 1:30:49
  maybe it's like when you get on a plane and there's a female pilot and
• 1:30:54
  you look up the company that, like you know, then they're like,
• 1:30:57
  oh, yeah, we have DEI scores really high because look at all of
• 1:31:00
  the female pilots we have. Then I think that if you're worried, that's
• 1:31:03
  okay because it's rational, right, But yes, if she is right,
• 1:31:10
  if she is a surgeon on the basis of meritocracy, like when I had
• 1:31:14
  cancer or I guess technically you say you still have it. But when I
• 1:31:17
  had cancer and I had to get an operation, the surgeon that that removed
• 1:31:21
  my tumors was a woman, and I knew that she came highly recommended,
• 1:31:27
  like that, I looked at her credits, creditation. I didn't do it
• 1:31:30
  because she was a woman. I did it because my life was on the
• 1:31:31
  line and I was a big concerned period and she did fine. Yes,
• 1:31:36
  that like this is like, why are you even saying this, like,
• 1:31:39
  who are you arguing against? Because they brought in the shit Gollum in order
• 1:31:45
  to make the argument, like seriously, create an argument they could actually argue
• 1:31:49
  against, because then, I mean it's basically what they did was they brought
• 1:31:54
  in somebody to uh take the agro like because they couldn't deal with Cassie and
• 1:32:00
  doctor Ferrell. Like literally, they can't deal with these two people, so
• 1:32:03
  they bring in the shit Goalum and they argue with him instead and all of
• 1:32:08
  this stuff, and so they can start making making simplistic Yeah, they can
• 1:32:14
  start making simplistic assertions like this and make it meaningful, like the shit Goalum
• 1:32:18
  has changed the entire discussion, the entire universe of discussion to that. And
• 1:32:25
  yeah, I know there's people men in the comments who'll be like, but
• 1:32:27
  I also agree with him. Great. Well, unfortunately we still have to
• 1:32:31
  get through the stage of convincing women to take responsibility, like before we get
• 1:32:35
  to the stage of getting them to vote away their rights. So and at
• 1:32:40
  that point, like the problem is solved, so whatever, But regardless,
• 1:32:45
  my overall point is that now they are making it legitimate to have these simplistic
• 1:32:50
  conclusions, empty headed vacuous conclusions like this, And again, we're not even
• 1:32:57
  talking about men's issues. We're talking about whether or not we respect female surgeons,
• 1:33:01
  are you again? And that's because of their freaking their their their fed
• 1:33:08
  pilled plant. Mm hmm. Okay, let's keep going. Well, is
• 1:33:13
  the finest surgeon that is there? Oh, look at the women, ladies,
• 1:33:19
  stop and think the embarrassing women shouldn't be in the workforce is idiotic.
• 1:33:28
  This country would collapse. Oh my god, this country would collapse actually,
• 1:33:33
  and we'd be we'd be hurting, but we'd be okay. It's men meant
• 1:33:39
  for like an hour that would kill people. But okay, how why did
• 1:33:44
  they bring on Cassie and Warren Ferrell? I could you know what when Warren
• 1:33:47
  Ferrell was just like going down and saying watch the red Pill? What this
• 1:33:51
  was just basically him giving up on it on this entire discussion. Yeah,
• 1:33:56
  Like he's literally you could see it in his eyes. He's like, oh,
• 1:33:59
  okay, this is another one of these. And then he's just like,
• 1:34:01
  watch the red Pill when it has it not like always this This is
• 1:34:08
  like you know, I know Jubilee has has contacted me to come on,
• 1:34:15
  and I'm going with great pleasure. I'm going to tell him that the immigration
• 1:34:17
  lawyer said it was a bad idea, So they can go fuck themselves because
• 1:34:21
  this is this is exactly what's gonna happen. I will talk, Yeah,
• 1:34:26
  sure you go. I'll ask Paul if he wants to go with Harry.
• 1:34:29
  You know, they get some people in the US to go, but I'm
• 1:34:32
  not fucking going because I know it's probably gonna be some ship like this.
• 1:34:36
  Mm hmm. Okay, let's let's keep going. Let's keep going and have
• 1:34:42
  that talent pool in America. There's no question that the pendulum swings too far.
• 1:34:47
  And when you get guilt by accusation and someone's life is wrecked because of
• 1:34:55
  a zeitgeist something that's blowing through society, I guess I got that's that is
• 1:35:00
  an injustice. And there are injustices to women, there are injustices to men,
• 1:35:06
  and that's something that has to do with with justice and human rights.
• 1:35:13
  And to me, that's not gender specific. That's on both sides of the
• 1:35:17
  gender. It's happened to women who have been raped and get excoriated and humiliated
• 1:35:27
  on cross examination and shamed out of taking their Oh my god, we're talking
• 1:35:31
  about this now, you know. I saw a clip speaking of rape and
• 1:35:36
  reelegations. I saw a clip where on the Whatever podcast. But it was
• 1:35:43
  like a serious conversation with this guy named Officer Tatum. Who's this guy who's
• 1:35:47
  like a cop or maybe he's an ex cop and he makes videos and they
• 1:35:53
  were asking he was talking about false allegations of domestic violence and sexual assault and
• 1:36:00
  stuff, and he said that in all of his years as a cop of
• 1:36:08
  Pete, women who claimed abuses or whatever were lying, Like he said,
• 1:36:13
  it was in the overwhelming like almost all cases. He said he dealt with
• 1:36:16
  maybe like two or three real cases of a woman being abused and that most
• 1:36:23
  of them were untrue. And he said, and he was lamenting, like
• 1:36:26
  how you know this is bad because like there are no consequences, so you
• 1:36:30
  know, you basically incentivize it, and that it makes it harder for women
• 1:36:35
  to step forward. I don't think that's true. I think that you just
• 1:36:39
  do it. How does it make it harder for women? I know,
• 1:36:43
  like I'm saying, no, I mean, like women who are real victims,
• 1:36:45
  I guess, but I don't think that's true. I think that's just
• 1:36:47
  him trying to throw a bone to women. But the point about in his
• 1:36:51
  experience. I know it's anecdotal, but in his experience, maybe I can
• 1:36:56
  find it that is actually quite telling. I mean again, you know,
• 1:37:00
  I think that like we're all like these people are just like operating under this
• 1:37:05
  this fog of lies about our rule society and the relationship between men and women,
• 1:37:11
  and they're still trying to make like doctor Phil's trying to be the smartest
• 1:37:15
  guy in the room, and he is so incorrect, you know, because
• 1:37:18
  he's like both sides and that, and that's all like the enlightened centrism drives
• 1:37:23
  me up the fucking wall. Yeah, it's not both sides. Only one
• 1:37:27
  side is being empowered by the government. Yes, right, And so when
• 1:37:30
  you do that, it's like you don't get it, Like you're you you
• 1:37:33
  haven't heard anything. We're back at square zero. Yeah. First of all,
• 1:37:39
  you have to even be outside of this framework. You have to just
• 1:37:43
  be like, Nope, I don't believe that men oppress women, And you
• 1:37:46
  are going to have to prove that if you want, if you want to
• 1:37:49
  assert it, you're gonna have to give me the evidence and the fact that
• 1:37:54
  men are and have authority even authority over women does not mean they oppress them.
• 1:37:59
  You have to look at the car consequences of that authority. And if
• 1:38:01
  the consequences of that authority is that women are better off the men, then
• 1:38:05
  obviously it's not oppress of authority. Like by definition, like oppression has to
• 1:38:12
  be cruel, it has to be unjust, and if the people in authority
• 1:38:17
  are making a better situation for the people they have authority over, then that
• 1:38:21
  is not unjust or cruel by definition. That doesn't mean that I advocate for
• 1:38:27
  men be having authority over women. Why because I can see how throughout history
• 1:38:32
  that framework has been used to remove men's compassion, compassion for men, or
• 1:38:40
  the expectation that they don't constantly sacrifice for women. So now, anyway,
• 1:38:45
  that is my opinion on that. And once you're in that framework of men
• 1:38:50
  oppress women like that, that's it. Like you're basically in that world and
• 1:38:57
  we are all on that, Like you've basically sat down on the roller coaster
• 1:39:00
  ride of men opress women and you're you're, you're, you're there, You're
• 1:39:03
  you're going on that ride. That's it. That's you gotta get out if
• 1:39:09
  you want to get off the ride. You have to get out of believing
• 1:39:13
  that men of press women, or at least just believing it by road,
• 1:39:16
  right, you have to be able to ask that question. Okay, But
• 1:39:20
  and and it's is as far as more I sitting. It's extremism to believe
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  that half the human race oppresses the other half, the other half that they
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  require to even reproduce the most critically important evolutionary pressure. You know, men
• 1:39:38
  require women to reproduce, right, And we are not a species that does.
• 1:39:44
  We are actually not a species that does the rape thing, or at
• 1:39:46
  least and what I mean by that is we have a concept of consent.
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  Other species don't. Okay, so we have well, actually, let me
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  put it this way. We have rape because we are so much about the
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  opposite. Mm hmm. So rate becomes a horrifying thing. Well, we
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  we're the only ones that would call it rape other animals and just call it
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  breeding. Well yeah, I know, but I'm saying like, okay,
• 1:40:13
  let's let's finish because at the end your position, it's it's just as unjust
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  in that situation. So I simply stop judging and start looking for common ground.
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  Then we'll find answers. Because to me, everybody has something to contribute,
• 1:40:33
  if we'll just take the blinders off and recognize it. Okay, are
• 1:40:39
  men the new minority? Obvious? Okay, so are men the new minority?
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  I don't like this question, but pretty that's the question I asked my
• 1:40:45
  audience at the start of the hour. I'll have the results right here and
• 1:40:51
  i'll be revealing them next to this is the virtual audience this question, Are
• 1:41:01
  man the new minority? And here are the results. Twenty one percent said
• 1:41:08
  yes and seventy nine percent said no. All right, so let's so you
• 1:41:14
  can see who voted what the only ones that voted yes looks like it's almost
• 1:41:20
  all men. That that's a man, that's a man. And then of
• 1:41:25
  the ones that said no, it was men and women that said no.
• 1:41:29
  So men are not made an interesting point, and basically he said that a
• 1:41:32
  society doesn't survive unless it somehow makes its sons disposable. And this is sort
• 1:41:41
  of a reflection of that. What they really mean by our men a minority
• 1:41:45
  is should we care about their issues? And of course they overwhelmingly vote no.
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  We should continue to not care because we want to keep men disposable.
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  They don't know that's what they're doing. The men should still be defined solely
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  in how they protect and provide for women, not in terms of their own
• 1:42:06
  needs, Like you would have to actually be like, I am a man,
• 1:42:11
  My needs are legitimate. And that's that's the horrifying thing, isn't it.
• 1:42:15
  Yeah, they want you to continue in order to be in order to
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  really exist, I have to protect and provide for others. They've already invested
• 1:42:27
  in this idea that men can't be a minority, and they invested so much
• 1:42:31
  into it that too, even like consider that they're completely wrong about that is
• 1:42:36
  going to cause them tremendous pain, and so they have to double down.
• 1:42:40
  This is why they always double down. Okay, what's interesting about this.
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  It's mostly men that said yes, So there's actually men that recognize that they're
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  and I mean, look, I don't like the question are men the new
• 1:42:54
  minority? I don't like the question because I think it's tricky because some people
• 1:42:58
  might have said no, just based on I'm like, oh, well,
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  statistically, they can't be a minority because you know, they're there's they're half
• 1:43:03
  the population, maybe a little less than half. That doesn't make them a
• 1:43:08
  minority per se. So I don't like the frame of the question. But
• 1:43:10
  if the question is really are men a group deserving of more recognition for their
• 1:43:18
  issues? And you're like, like, do boys need those issues addressed?
• 1:43:24
  Like that? Like it would be I get. I just don't like the
• 1:43:27
  frame of the question. I think it's a bit of a tricky question in
• 1:43:30
  the way that it's framed. I think it's ugly. But I do think
• 1:43:32
  that the men who voted yes do understand the question because they do see that
• 1:43:39
  and of course people are going to vote against this, but this is okay
• 1:43:42
  because it just shines light on again, why do we do this? And
• 1:43:45
  and it just tells you, like, just people to the overwhelming majority of
• 1:43:50
  the population is just not ready for this conversation and they're not willing to have
• 1:43:55
  it. So yeah, well that's unfortunate, but you know, we need
• 1:44:00
  to make sure that there is some people know what the hell happened, when
• 1:44:04
  it happens, and why it happened, so and then and then when we
• 1:44:10
  are in a position of rebuilding, they'll have the wisdom, hopefully well enough
• 1:44:15
  to address this stuff. The other thing about this is use the word When
• 1:44:19
  you use the word minority and you're talking to an audience that's overwhelmingly female.
• 1:44:25
  You are asking women do they see men in the same way that they see
• 1:44:30
  other purse puppy groups like trans people, like black people, whatever. Right,
• 1:44:36
  So, because this is an audience of mostly women, and it's women
• 1:44:43
  that sort of like drive our current culture is is highly feminine, not just
• 1:44:49
  what every culture is, well it is, but I mean like there's the
• 1:44:53
  intersectional you know, like feminine or the intersexual feminist thing where they're like taking
• 1:44:59
  these oppressed groups and they're putting them in their little categories and saying, I'm
• 1:45:02
  going to care for this thing. But and then and they and regular women
• 1:45:06
  or other women or whatever non can't see. They're saying, can you see
• 1:45:11
  this group as a minority? But it doesn't work because they're like no,
• 1:45:14
  Because in order for me to be able to say I care about trans people,
• 1:45:17
  I care about black people, I care about you know, lesbians,
• 1:45:20
  whatever, I would have to they would have to be a group that I
• 1:45:25
  care about more than another group. And the only other group is always men.
• 1:45:30
  So they can't by definition, they can't be a minority. They can't.
• 1:45:33
  They can't. They can't put men over the minorities in the first,
• 1:45:36
  pay can't occupy that space, so that they I think as to reject it.
• 1:45:41
  This what this poll really is saying to the men who voted yes or
• 1:45:45
  no, is do you identify as a protector and provider of women? Or
• 1:45:48
  are are you capable of recognizing your needs? And they say no, you
• 1:45:53
  know, and the funny thing is that they'll say, well, that's toxic
• 1:45:56
  masculinity for so we don't have we can ignore the downsides of it. But
• 1:45:59
  that's just actually what this is. This is asking men, do you care
• 1:46:01
  about your needs? Do you identify with your needs? No? I identify
• 1:46:05
  with women's needs. And it asks women, do you identify men with having
• 1:46:10
  needs? Or do you identify men with serving your needs? No, identify
• 1:46:14
  men with serving my needs. Well, that locks men into a position of
• 1:46:19
  stoic and it locks women into a position of child. Yeah, okay,
• 1:46:26
  can let's yes. Is there anything further? Yeah, so there you have
• 1:46:30
  it. I have to say, from my point of view, just so
• 1:46:34
  you know, there would be no Doctor Phil show without women, because probably
• 1:46:41
  eighty five to nine of my staff is female, My executive producer is female,
• 1:46:46
  my director is female. So I gotta say any taking an out of
• 1:46:51
  my workforce. Well, and I guess and they're also still oppressed. Okay,
• 1:46:58
  good art, Like I guess you got us what Warren Ferrell certainly like
• 1:47:03
  I could just see the process in his mind when when this happened. It's
• 1:47:08
  just like, this is a waste. I'm just going to try to get
• 1:47:10
  the mess the most I can out get out of this. I'm just gonna
• 1:47:13
  show the red pill at the end. Well, you know what he's really
• 1:47:15
  you know what he's really saying though when he says that, what doctor Phil
• 1:47:19
  is really saying is I don't hate women, Like that's all. That's it.
• 1:47:24
  Like I love women, I respect women. I respect women so much.
• 1:47:29
  I basically like my whole career and livelihood depends on their confidence, you
• 1:47:34
  know, and their approval. My audience is women, like this is the
• 1:47:38
  thing. He has to do that because his audience is women, so like
• 1:47:42
  and and again if because he can say something out of pocket, like he
• 1:47:45
  probably saw what happened to uh the audience reaction to their golum and he was
• 1:47:50
  like, well, I'll never say that, you know what I mean,
• 1:47:53
  Like, I don't want my life destroyed. Also, women don't have any
• 1:47:56
  power m here with a sketch artist and a flashlight trying to do trying to
• 1:48:03
  do this broadcast. So no way that's happening. Uh. I want to
• 1:48:09
  thank all of my guests today seriously, and for more information about today's show,
• 1:48:13
  log on to Doctorphil dot com. I know the conversation will be hot
• 1:48:17
  and heavy. Uh, you can follow me on Facebook Twitter. All right,
• 1:48:20
  I'm gonna stop it there. So that they use the ship Gollum to
• 1:48:25
  dismiss everything like it's it's basically they put him out there and he's like,
• 1:48:29
  well, pay attention to this. It gives you the excuse to dismiss everything
• 1:48:33
  that we that these guys talk about. And that's it. That's that's what
• 1:48:38
  happened. They just they just basically said, yeah, you don't have to
• 1:48:41
  care about this. Look at the ship Gollumn. Mm hm oh god,
• 1:48:45
  damn well, this is not this is conversation. The comments are pretty are
• 1:48:49
  pretty good. Some of them are people that watch us. Yes, Jay
• 1:48:53
  Demali said, doctor Phil is not the right person to hold these discussions his
• 1:48:57
  audience as women, never mind him being about his nocentric as they come,
• 1:49:00
  so he's incapable of engaging factually and thoughtfully. It would estrange his audience,
• 1:49:05
  and someone responded saying, one correct, Doctor Phil knows his female audience demographic
• 1:49:10
  very well and will retune a discussion to appeal to them more. And that's
• 1:49:14
  exactly why he's so gynocentric to begin with. Somebody else said, to see
• 1:49:18
  who rules over you find somebody you're not allowed to criticize women. That's why
• 1:49:24
  Phil was groveling before them in closing remarks, Yes, because they were probably
• 1:49:27
  giving him the daggerize too. So yeah, like, of course it turned
• 1:49:34
  out the way I expected. But at least the chat, like the comment
• 1:49:43
  section, is pretty based. Doctor Phil knows how to get an audience by
• 1:49:47
  throwing people together who would never get along in real life. Warren Ferrell is
• 1:49:49
  the voice of reason between these extremes of gender views. So is Cassie j.
• 1:49:55
  When that man in Feminist took issue with Warren Ferrell about dad deprived,
• 1:50:00
  she went straight for the man bashing narrative that single mothers are better than having
• 1:50:03
  an abusive man in the house. What a hateful conclusion that has nothing to
• 1:50:06
  do with Warren's point. This is why people have an issue with feminism today.
• 1:50:11
  I mean they should have had it throughout all time. It's not because
• 1:50:14
  they want to take rights away from women. When women suffer, we say
• 1:50:18
  it's systemic. When men suffer, we say it's their fault. So anyway,
• 1:50:27
  this jack type works as a straw man, probably why he's in the
• 1:50:30
  show. Yes, somebody said nailed it. Yeah, I don't even know
• 1:50:32
  who that is. Like, this is so stupid. A lot of people
• 1:50:36
  are basically like on the same page, though, I don't see a lot
• 1:50:40
  of people celebrating this. Don't disparage Fred Flintstone. He treated his wife well,
• 1:50:46
  he did. Yeah, so this is mostly doctor Warren Ferrell's audience though,
• 1:50:53
  to be fair. Anyway, So that's it. That's the video.
• 1:50:58
  You guys have any thoughts on that. You want to send a super chower
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  or something. Alison, what are you doing? Oh? Oh it dropped?
• 1:51:08
  Recording continues normally for everyone else when a participant in the Internet disconnects the
• 1:51:12
  rest of the Oh there she is, Yes here, I am still Okay,
• 1:51:36
  let's just end it. What happened? Did it drop again? All
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• 1:52:04
  for the technical difficulties that we're still trying to iron out I have. I'm
• 1:52:09
  not sure what happened here, but we'll keep We'll keep endeavoring to to work
• 1:52:15
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• 1:52:17
  right? Back to you, Brian. All right, Well, if you
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• 1:52:38
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