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Huddle Up | BTJ & Lawrence Growing Chemistry, OTAs Key Takeaways · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Jaguars. Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network
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Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks and senior reporter J. P.
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Speaker 1: Shadwick bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle
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Speaker 1: Up starts right now.
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Speaker 2: Welcome into another edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 2: JP Shadwick, John Oser.
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Speaker 3: We're at the Hyundai.
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Speaker 2: Studios at the Miller Electric Center in Jacksonville. And as
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Speaker 2: the name signifies on the show, it's Bucky Brooks in
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles, California.
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Bucky.
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Speaker 4: What's up, guys.
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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, like something happened interesting on my
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Speaker 5: walk last night.
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Speaker 4: I'm walking the dog in the neighborhood.
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Speaker 5: I'm out here in LA and I happen to stop
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Speaker 5: and I look up and you know, our uniform is
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Speaker 5: very distinguished and there's a number. There's a number eight.
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Speaker 5: I was like number eight Jaguars. The man was running
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Speaker 5: around with a Mark Brunello jersey, like a throwback Mark
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Speaker 5: Ronell jersey in LA. So I just want you to
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Speaker 5: know that to reach, it's growing, grow, We're making this happen.
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Speaker 5: So when La we got people donning whatever I was
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Speaker 5: I was going by. I sent out a little duke
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Speaker 5: ball to him and like, let him know somebody else
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Speaker 5: in the neighborhood that rocks with the jack.
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Speaker 4: So I appreciate it.
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Speaker 6: Mark's from California.
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Speaker 2: May be family, oh maybe so yeah, or maybe or
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Speaker 2: maybe it was Mark wearing his own jersey going back
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Speaker 2: to sea.
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Speaker 5: It might have been Mark, but that would say that
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Speaker 5: that would be like Mark is kind of let himself
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Speaker 5: go a little bit.
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Speaker 4: But maybe you know, like we all we all about
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Speaker 4: what we once worked.
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Speaker 3: The size the jersey was, but that's okay.
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Speaker 6: I mean the eight might have looked like a snow man.
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Speaker 4: Who's counting right.
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Speaker 6: Mark's in pretty good shape.
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Speaker 3: Did this person give you a duke ball back?
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Speaker 4: He did?
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Speaker 5: He did? He and this he knew the assignment and
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Speaker 5: he represented very very well. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Here you go. See that's what happens, John when in
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Speaker 3: thirteen years.
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Speaker 6: Well is it happens when your bucky Rukso may other people.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Let's get to this version of the Jaguars team and
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Speaker 2: it's OTA's second week of organized team activities this week.
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Speaker 2: The one earlier in the week, what Monday was open
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Speaker 2: to the media there was a lot of talk coming
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Speaker 2: out of that practice about Brian Thomas Junior and the
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Speaker 2: connection that continues to grow with Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Of course, let's hear from Liam Cohen first. After practice. Yes,
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Speaker 2: Liam still believes in BETJ.
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Speaker 7: I've been very pleased with the way that he has
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Speaker 7: attacked this offseason, the way that he takes the meeting
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Speaker 7: room to the practice, you know, and how that's looked.
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Speaker 7: We're being a little bit more intentional about usage and
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Speaker 7: chemistry with him this spring and trying to get a
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Speaker 7: true connection that we didn't quite have last spring or
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Speaker 7: last training camp, if you will.
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Speaker 6: So I've been.
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Speaker 7: Very pleased with how he's taken the things that we
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Speaker 7: asked him to do to get better at and to
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Speaker 7: be intentional about those reps. But you know, I know
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Speaker 7: everybody's you know, it's down year and fantasy and this
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Speaker 7: down the third. I mean, when you're on a good team,
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Speaker 7: I think that typically matters a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: There's William Cohen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does help when the team's good. And don't
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Speaker 2: you think Buck that's kind of.
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Speaker 4: He can't let's coach it for he always got to lie.
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Speaker 4: He always hesitate like a little shout. I get it
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Speaker 4: like i'd like a little edgy. This's I can poke
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Speaker 4: the bear a little bit.
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Speaker 5: But I love what I'm hearing about Brian Thomas Junior
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Speaker 5: in his performance.
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Speaker 4: It's interesting when you go back and you look at
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Speaker 4: the numbers.
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Speaker 5: People talk about it being a down year, but he
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Speaker 5: averaged the same yards per catch that he did in
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Speaker 5: his first year, So the explosive plays were certainly there.
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Speaker 5: And then when you look at the last part of
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Speaker 5: the season, when they finally found the right role for
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Speaker 5: him within this offense where it was vertical and outbreaking
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Speaker 5: routes and twenty one of the thirty one targets that
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Speaker 5: he had were outside the numbers, he began to have
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Speaker 5: the production that we want to see. And I've said this,
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Speaker 5: I still believe he's the best wide receiver that we have.
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Speaker 5: I still believe he's the one who has true wide
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Speaker 5: receiver like wide receiver one like qualities, and at some
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Speaker 5: point we're going to need him because of all the guys,
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Speaker 5: he is the one that can be the matchup problem
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Speaker 5: that will force people to double team him. It's about
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Speaker 5: him being consistent and living up to that standard because
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Speaker 5: He certainly has shown us his rookie season he had
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Speaker 5: the tools to be a one. We need to see
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Speaker 5: him play like that each and every week.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, anybody's ever listened to me knows
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Speaker 6: I discount a lot of what you see in OTAs,
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Speaker 6: but you don't discount what receivers are doing, and you
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Speaker 6: don't discount what the head coach is saying about it.
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Speaker 6: And Liam has clearly likes the chemistry that he's seen
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Speaker 6: with Trevor Lawrence. He likes the work they're putting in.
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Speaker 6: He hasn't really said it this way, but the way
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Speaker 6: he has talked about it on the podium makes you
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Speaker 6: think he really knows what they are doing together and
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Speaker 6: how much work they're putting in off the field or
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Speaker 6: outside of what we see. And look, I think it's
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Speaker 6: an interesting receiver corps because we continue and A Bucky
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Speaker 6: just did and I'm sure Parker Washington's gonna have words
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Speaker 6: for him. But BTJ might be the best receiver in
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Speaker 6: this unit. But Parker Washington is also looking really good
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Speaker 6: good eight games last year. I kind of get the
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Speaker 6: idea that Parker is going to be somebody that if
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Speaker 6: you don't stop him, he's not going to stop himself,
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Speaker 6: so you got to double him at some point because
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Speaker 6: Denver didn't. And look what you know at the end
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Speaker 6: of last year, Parker was a real force. You've got
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Speaker 6: I guess I'm getting at is BTJ does not have
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Speaker 6: to be a twelve hundred yard receiver with ten touchdowns
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Speaker 6: and eighty catches to really matter in this offense. And
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Speaker 6: I think what Liam was getting at too was, Look,
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Speaker 6: whatever the numbers were like last year, they probably don't
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Speaker 6: make I'm not sure they win the division without bt JET,
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Speaker 6: the catch against Kansas City, the catch against the Raiders.
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Speaker 6: This league is about big plays and big moments. He
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Speaker 6: made some huge plays in some huge moments. He's still
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Speaker 6: gonna matter whatever the numbers are.
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Speaker 3: And then his effort in the run game too matter.
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Speaker 2: It's not as splashy as the plays down the field,
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Speaker 2: but that matters still Liam in this offense too, Buck.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it does matter.
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Speaker 5: Back to what John was saying about Parker Washington Like,
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Speaker 5: it's funny because I feel like we're having like.
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Speaker 4: Full circle moments as it relates to the quarterback.
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Speaker 5: When we think about Trevor Lawrence at his best early
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Speaker 5: I think about like the charges game bouncing back. I
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Speaker 5: think about that year, the first year Doug Peterson is there,
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Speaker 5: and I think about the way that wide receiver corps
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Speaker 5: was kind of comprised. You had high, intelligent, smart guys
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Speaker 5: who were interchangeable and could do a bunch of different things.
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Speaker 5: I'm now looking at this new version of the Jags
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Speaker 5: offense around Trevor Lawrence and you have very similar traits.
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Speaker 4: I think there is some interchangeability with some of the.
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Speaker 5: White House Jacoby and Parker Washington, BTJ and the Travis
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Speaker 5: Hunter and his role, Brett and Strange being a factor
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Speaker 5: in that. In a way, they have updated the pieces,
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Speaker 5: but the pieces are still kind of complementary like they
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Speaker 5: were back then when we saw Trevor's best to me
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Speaker 5: is understanding what your quarterback needs to be successful. And
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Speaker 5: it appears that the Jaguars that really put the right
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Speaker 5: supporting cast around him to have a lot of success.
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Speaker 5: And I think we should be excited not only about
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Speaker 5: the pass catchers but how they're going to impact the
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Speaker 5: passer as we go into twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 6: But to Bucky's point, to BTJ has to be reliable
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Speaker 6: enough next year and consistent enough to be a threat
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Speaker 6: and to make defenses always believe he's gonna matter.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, first half of the season that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. And the other two meaning Parker and Jacoby are
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Speaker 6: always very reliable. You know what they're going to get.
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Speaker 6: BTJ is kind of the explosive wild card, which is great,
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Speaker 6: but he does need to be consistent enough where defenses
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Speaker 6: can't sort of say, hey, you're only gonna beat this
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Speaker 6: once or twice, we'll let that go. He's got to
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Speaker 6: make the defenses say we can't afford to let that
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Speaker 6: go because we'll lose if we just single him.
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Speaker 2: Let's hear from BTJ on his mentality going into another
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Speaker 2: year in this offense.
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Speaker 8: Just coming out here trying to be the best that
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Speaker 8: I can be, putting my best foot for each and
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Speaker 8: every day. Just continue to stay motivated. Don't let anything
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Speaker 8: in the way of anything in the way of that.
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Speaker 8: I don't let the downs get in the way of that.
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Speaker 8: Whatever you got going on in life, whether it's like
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Speaker 8: outside of football in football, just don't let don't let
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Speaker 8: that stop you, or control of your mindset and the
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Speaker 8: way you think about things. So yeah, I'll say, yeah,
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Speaker 8: just I wake up motivated each and every day and
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Speaker 8: I try not to let anything get in the way
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Speaker 8: of that.
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Speaker 2: From that answer, it felt like there was a lot
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Speaker 2: more going on with Brian maybe last year than a
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Speaker 2: lot of people might have realized. And then you got
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Speaker 2: us fight through it and you're not to do it.
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Speaker 3: You don't know until you know, and now he knows.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Buck, I think sorry, I think it's tough. He's
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Speaker 6: a very low key guy. The kids say chill Buck,
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Speaker 6: if they still say chill us, he's that. But internally
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Speaker 6: last year, you know, he seems like a guy who
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Speaker 6: doesn't let a lot of things bother him. But you
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Speaker 6: got to hear some of the noise. And even without
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Speaker 6: the noise, you're adjusting to the NFL. You were a
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Speaker 6: pro bowler as a rookie. You had thirteen hundred, so
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Speaker 6: you sort of think that's my standard. If I don't
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Speaker 6: surpass that, you may come out and say, hey, it
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Speaker 6: doesn't bother me. But inside you're going home at night
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Speaker 6: and you're man, I need this, and you're insecure about it.
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Speaker 6: There's gonna be some of that. So I'm sure that
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Speaker 6: did weigh on him in that sense. Bucky. I do
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Speaker 6: like the feel of the reset around here. And the
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Speaker 6: hey we are in You know, I think William has
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Speaker 6: used the word about BTJ, the intentionality of what they're
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Speaker 6: doing with him. We need you in the same page
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Speaker 6: as Trevor. Trevor, you guys, you know this. They have
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Speaker 6: made it a priority and it feels like that's being
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Speaker 6: accepted well into the water if you will, like, Hey,
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Speaker 6: this is a theme, this is what we're going to
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Speaker 6: be about. He's going to be part of what we're
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Speaker 6: about next year.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it does seem like that.
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Speaker 5: And look, I love hearing what he said, because I
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Speaker 5: do believe there were some questions and concerns about like, man,
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Speaker 5: what's really plaguing him, what's troubling him? He's not having
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Speaker 5: the year that would anticipating. That's going all the way
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Speaker 5: back into the summer where appeared to struggle catching the
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Speaker 5: ball in those things and a lot of times, man,
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Speaker 5: whatever happens off the field can affect on the field,
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Speaker 5: and we don't know if that is true, but we
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Speaker 5: also understand that expectations also can add an element of
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Speaker 5: pressure that can impact your performance.
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Speaker 4: And when you have a great rookie season and everyone is.
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Speaker 5: Talking about you being maybe the best receiver we've seen
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Speaker 5: in Jacksonville since Jimmy Smith and all of the next year,
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Speaker 5: he'll have fifteen hundred yards and he'll be this Sometimes
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Speaker 5: you can kind of get ahead of yourself and not
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Speaker 5: react or.
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Speaker 4: Respond well in those moments.
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Speaker 5: And I think he now has a better understanding of
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Speaker 5: who he is, how he fits in this offense. I
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Speaker 5: think Liam and the offensive staff have done a really
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Speaker 5: good job of kind of understanding who he is and
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Speaker 5: maybe putting him in a role that is more appropriate
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Speaker 5: for him and who he is. And we've talked about it.
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Speaker 5: Maybe they don't have a thousand yard receiver. Maybe you
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Speaker 5: end up having four guys that catch for eight hundred yards.
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Speaker 5: I mean that still is a pretty solid output from
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Speaker 5: a wide receiver corps. But certainly he has to be
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Speaker 5: a big part of the passing game if the Jaguars
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Speaker 5: want to are going to be able to accomplish what
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Speaker 5: we think they can accomplish this season.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think JP that's what Liam was maybe getting
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Speaker 6: at a little bit on the podium of sure, Hey,
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Speaker 6: this offense spreads the ball right, And in twenty four
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Speaker 6: when BTJ caught thirteen hundred yards worth of balls, can
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Speaker 6: you name anybody else you know I spik Parker.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was still not Mark that we know.
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Speaker 6: Right, So everything's being fed to him that year. So
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Speaker 6: I think Liam in his podium stuff talking about BTJ
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Speaker 6: on Monday set a nice tone of Hey, look, he
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Speaker 6: doesn't have to be a thirteen hundred yard guy for
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Speaker 6: us to be good. He doesn't have to be a
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Speaker 6: thirteen a thirteen hundred yard guy for him to be good.
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Speaker 6: He can be nine hundred and six and mean nine
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Speaker 6: hundred yards six touchdowns and being that threat, and that's
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Speaker 6: going to make us really really good. So you almost
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Speaker 6: hope that there's sort of an expectation, mindset reset of hey,
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Speaker 6: nine hundred being a part of this makes you good.
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Speaker 6: It's okay, yeah.
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Speaker 2: If you have you're talking about four guys over eight
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Speaker 2: hundred yards block. I mean if you go into December
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Speaker 2: with four guys, that's a lot of yards and a
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Speaker 2: lot of different guys producing and who you're going to
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Speaker 2: cover on defense.
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Speaker 3: I mean that that's really a problem.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Look, I think it can be problematic because we're talking
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Speaker 5: about the wide receivers all day, but what about the
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Speaker 5: tight end Bretton Strange and right, kind of problems he
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Speaker 5: can create being these lined up against defensive backs and
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Speaker 5: linebackers and how they have to kind of figure out
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Speaker 5: what they want to do with him. I think this
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Speaker 5: offense will give Trevor plenty of options to be able
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Speaker 5: to attack. We'll get to the running game. Uh, that
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Speaker 5: is the question mark. I don't think we have as
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Speaker 5: many questions about the passing game. I think we feel
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Speaker 5: pretty good about the pecking order and who's who and
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Speaker 5: where what they're going to be asked to do.
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Speaker 4: The running game is the major facts.
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Speaker 5: And if we can get the running game up and going,
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Speaker 5: then that is going to open it up even more
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Speaker 5: for those playmakers to make it happen through the air.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of spreading the wealth, that's another position group we'll
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Speaker 2: have to get to at another point here on, huddle
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Speaker 2: up with Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 2: It is huddle up with Bucky Brooks, JAP Shadwick, John
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Speaker 2: Oser and Jacksonville Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles OTAs continue.
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Speaker 3: We talked a lot of offense earlier. Let's flip it,
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Speaker 3: clip it.
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Speaker 2: Flip it to the Jaguars defense and Anthony Campanelli, Jaguars
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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, at the podium this week.
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Speaker 3: They were really good against the run, they were aggressive,
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Speaker 3: they took the ball away last year. What's the mentality now?
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Speaker 9: And when you talk about just the mentality of your defense,
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Speaker 9: like if people are going to be able to run
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Speaker 9: the ball on it, you know, it's a long day
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Speaker 9: and what that does to a team, Uh, psychologically in
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Speaker 9: a game, it can be really really bad.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 9: Defensively, that's great, like, hey, guys make some plays in
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Speaker 9: the past game and obviously you're always trying.
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Speaker 4: To do a great job there.
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Speaker 9: But I think there is a physical high that comes
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Speaker 9: for offensive players when they're able to run the ball
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Speaker 9: at the defense, and for us on defense, you know,
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Speaker 9: that's something that you're always trying to counteract. You know,
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Speaker 9: the physicality and staying square doing your job in a
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Speaker 9: run game and defenses is built on trust, you know.
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Speaker 9: And we say in our room, trust comes and drops
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Speaker 9: and it's lost in buckets. So you know, if you're
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Speaker 9: doing your job every day, you develop a trust and
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Speaker 9: appreciation of love for each other. But when you have
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Speaker 9: guys that don't do their job, trust can be gone
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Speaker 9: pretty quickly.
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Speaker 3: Sounds like a Bucky Brooks' ism right there.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, did you get in that one or is that
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Speaker 6: new toy?
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Speaker 4: I mean that I was writing it down.
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Speaker 6: I'll bet I'll bet that buckets.
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Speaker 4: And droplets and all the stuff.
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Speaker 6: In that file you're keeping the cloud. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think he speaks to what's important about playing greed
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Speaker 5: d understanding that you have trust that you can't go
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Speaker 5: outside of the box, and you've got to figure out
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Speaker 5: a way to continue to get the turnovers while getting
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Speaker 5: the stops, and a lot of times exurce with stopping
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Speaker 5: the run.
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Speaker 4: Then everything comes off with them.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I thought it was interesting that he went
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Speaker 6: there first. I'm not even sure if he was prompted
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Speaker 6: to the running game. I think he was just talking
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Speaker 6: about the defense in general. And I get questions all
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Speaker 6: the time. Every time I write something about the jeduar
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Speaker 6: stopping the run or a defense stopping the run, I
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Speaker 6: get a flood of questions about, Well, it's you know
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Speaker 6: who cares about stopping the run. You got to rush
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Speaker 6: the passer, you have to impact the passer. In the
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Speaker 6: NFL these days, it's John Don't. You always say it's
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Speaker 6: a past centric league. All those things are true, But
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Speaker 6: I think what Camp was talking about is something that's
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Speaker 6: It's interesting that they emphasize it so much and keep
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Speaker 6: it as a core because the reality of football is
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Speaker 6: sometimes if a team throws forty times and you're not
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Speaker 6: very good at stopping it, every once in a while,
17:22
Speaker 6: the quarterback throw it out of bounce. I mean, every
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Speaker 6: once in a while you have a mistake. If you
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Speaker 6: can't stop the run. Guess what, It's easy to run
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Speaker 6: if the defense can't stop it, because you just hand
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Speaker 6: the ball to running. I mean, I'm being very simple there.
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Speaker 3: Right, But a perfect game from a quarterback throw it right.
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Speaker 6: If you can't stop the run, Bucky the other team
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Speaker 6: will never stop running. You've got to stop it to
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Speaker 6: you know. And it's it's the ultimate cliche. Now Josh Allen.
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Speaker 6: Allen says it all the time. That's your eyes roll
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Speaker 6: a little bit. But he talks about earning the right
17:54
Speaker 6: to rush the passer and that's a very real thing.
17:58
Speaker 6: And I just thought it was interesting, Bucky that as
18:01
Speaker 6: good as they were at that last year, they were
18:03
Speaker 6: the best in the league stopping the run. It's sort
18:05
Speaker 6: of indicative of their mindset of, Hey, we're not going
18:07
Speaker 6: to assume we can do that. We have to keep
18:10
Speaker 6: emphasizing it. And I think that's sort of a theme
18:12
Speaker 6: around here. Hey don't assume that just because you did
18:15
Speaker 6: it last year you're going to be good again.
18:17
Speaker 4: No, you can't assume.
18:18
Speaker 5: And also, the league is changing, like we've seen teams adapted.
18:21
Speaker 5: Even our own team has added more tight ends. And
18:23
Speaker 5: so I think we're going to see more big boy
18:25
Speaker 5: football where they run it right at you. Because what
18:27
Speaker 5: is happening in the league. Teams are taking away the
18:30
Speaker 5: explosive plays. They're keeping two high safeties back, and they're
18:33
Speaker 5: daring teams to run the football at you.
18:36
Speaker 4: And in doing that, what you're trying to do.
18:38
Speaker 5: From a defense standpoint, you're willing to concede the yards
18:40
Speaker 5: in between the twenties and you're gonna tighten up in.
18:43
Speaker 4: The red zone.
18:43
Speaker 5: Well, if you allow teams to really run the football
18:46
Speaker 5: at you, what happens You then be able to create
18:49
Speaker 5: one on one opportunities on the outside because you have
18:52
Speaker 5: to drop that safety in the box because you can't
18:54
Speaker 5: control it. That leads to more big plays in the
18:56
Speaker 5: passing game. And when you give up those big plays,
18:59
Speaker 5: that means more points. So what Camp is talking about
19:02
Speaker 5: is we want to be able to control the game,
19:04
Speaker 5: and the first way to control it is eliminate the
19:06
Speaker 5: run game. Make them throw when everyone in the stadium
19:09
Speaker 5: knows they have to throw. Then we can pick and
19:11
Speaker 5: choose what we want to take.
19:12
Speaker 4: Away from that.
19:13
Speaker 5: But we don't have the ability to control the game
19:15
Speaker 5: if we never get the running game stopped, particularly on
19:18
Speaker 5: those early downs.
19:19
Speaker 6: One thing I like about this staff, JP and Bucky
19:21
Speaker 6: is is when they talk in the off season, they
19:27
Speaker 6: you can tell that they're talking and thinking about things
19:31
Speaker 6: that really happen in the season and not just sort
19:33
Speaker 6: of off season theory, which a lot of people. The
19:36
Speaker 6: off season so long you can start talking about stuff
19:40
Speaker 6: and forget what really matters on Sundays. I thought it
19:45
Speaker 6: was interesting that Camp talked about that feeling of a
19:50
Speaker 6: high that an offense gets when it's running. That's a
19:54
Speaker 6: feeling you sort of get watching games in the fall
19:58
Speaker 6: when it's happening that it's easy to forget about in February,
20:01
Speaker 6: of gosh, how dominant was that team when they were running?
20:04
Speaker 6: Because it's easy to talk. It's easy to forget what
20:08
Speaker 6: football really is when you're watching what we're watching out
20:10
Speaker 6: there right now. But Camp, as a defensive coordinator, I'm
20:16
Speaker 6: sure he's felt that of Oh, that team is feeling
20:20
Speaker 6: it and they know they're dominant, and that's not good,
20:22
Speaker 6: you know. So I guess it speaks to the meat
20:26
Speaker 6: and potatoes that this staff. And maybe that's not the
20:29
Speaker 6: right word, but they're always thinking about the right stuff
20:32
Speaker 6: and keeping what really matters in the forefront. And maybe
20:36
Speaker 6: that's just me going off a little bit, but that
20:40
Speaker 6: struck me as maybe something real to talk about in
20:44
Speaker 6: on June. Second true, Now.
20:47
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's the danger of the off season, right.
20:49
Speaker 5: So there's nothing coaches love more than to get in
20:53
Speaker 5: the lab and tinker with offensive and defensive schemes.
20:55
Speaker 4: They look at tape, they see things they like, they.
20:57
Speaker 5: Want to implement, they want to adapt them, They want
20:59
Speaker 5: to do all those things. But there's this fine line
21:02
Speaker 5: between building upon what you did last year and then
21:05
Speaker 5: forgetting about that and losing sight of the basics and
21:09
Speaker 5: the fundamentals that got you to that point. It does
21:11
Speaker 5: appear that look Lampoint and the staff have a great
21:15
Speaker 5: understanding of what helped him get to thirteen wins. But
21:19
Speaker 5: instead of assuming, hey, we're automatically going to take the
21:22
Speaker 5: next step, they're right back to step one to make
21:26
Speaker 5: sure that they complete all those tasks along the way.
21:28
Speaker 5: They gave them an opportunity to have a great season.
21:31
Speaker 5: I think that is what you have to do. But
21:34
Speaker 5: a lot of times that is very very difficult to
21:36
Speaker 5: do because you want to fast forward and get to
21:38
Speaker 5: the next big thing. And so hopefully we're locked in
21:41
Speaker 5: and focused enough, because it certainly sounds like the coaches
21:43
Speaker 5: are locked in and everything that we heard from the players,
21:45
Speaker 5: they're locked in on making sure that they.
21:47
Speaker 4: Do the little things right now. So it's sim up
21:49
Speaker 4: of success late.
21:50
Speaker 6: You know, camp is doing right there, So keeping the
21:53
Speaker 6: main thing, the main thing. Yeah, always, that's it. He
21:57
Speaker 6: may have gotten that from Bucky too.
21:59
Speaker 3: It was the main thing.
22:01
Speaker 6: Hey, you gotta keep the main thing, the main thing.
22:02
Speaker 10: Get anything the main thing, don't deviate from that. He
22:04
Speaker 10: kept this for sure. They keep the main thing, the
22:07
Speaker 10: main thing. On the defensive line usually as well. Trayvon
22:09
Speaker 10: Walker found for bound. Best player on defense.
22:13
Speaker 2: And maybe on the entire team has that mentality and
22:16
Speaker 2: the entire group does.
22:17
Speaker 3: Up front.
22:18
Speaker 11: It's been great and like I said, and we got
22:20
Speaker 11: a lot of great Rikis two that came in.
22:22
Speaker 3: They're willing to learn.
22:23
Speaker 11: I feel like everybody's kind of even the young guys
22:26
Speaker 11: kind if they see something in the drills that some
22:28
Speaker 11: guys might take a step too far.
22:30
Speaker 4: Inside.
22:31
Speaker 11: Everybody's being very critical of each other. So I feel
22:33
Speaker 11: like we've kind of raising that standard in the room
22:36
Speaker 11: itself to where you don't have to be a veteran
22:38
Speaker 11: to come in and you know, kind of critique some things,
22:40
Speaker 11: Like you've been playing football for a while, you can
22:42
Speaker 11: critique these little bit of details in here. So I
22:45
Speaker 11: feel like the trajectory in the defensive line room, the
22:48
Speaker 11: chemistry amongst each other, everybody's willing to take that coaching
22:50
Speaker 11: from anybody.
22:51
Speaker 4: So it's going great.
22:53
Speaker 3: That's a good shark.
22:54
Speaker 2: Trayvon Walker has been at it now for a number
22:56
Speaker 2: of years around here, and that year it sounds.
22:58
Speaker 6: Like piano if you were standing over there when he
23:01
Speaker 6: was over there on Monday. But I kept thinking, well,
23:04
Speaker 6: he signed his contract, he's really let himself go, hadn't
23:06
Speaker 6: he I mean, just hadn't been the weight room. I mean,
23:10
Speaker 6: he's he's a grown blank man. What I mean, it's
23:15
Speaker 6: and BUCKYE. I asked Trayvon who's on the podium. That
23:20
Speaker 6: clip didn't show it, but he talked a lot about
23:22
Speaker 6: getting his grip strength back, which is a little bit
23:25
Speaker 6: of a detail. But it's June Thursday. We can talk details.
23:29
Speaker 6: But and I kind of asked stupid question, but that's
23:33
Speaker 6: what I do. How important and how different is the
23:38
Speaker 6: grip strength for a defensive end? And again, he didn't
23:41
Speaker 6: talk about it a lot last year because you don't
23:43
Speaker 6: want to talk. He's not the type to talk about injuries.
23:46
Speaker 6: But you know, if you can't do this as a
23:49
Speaker 6: defensive end with one of your hands, I know you
23:53
Speaker 6: didn't play defensive end, Buck, but that's really hard.
23:57
Speaker 5: Okay, Hey, get down there in the trenches, and if
24:01
Speaker 5: I needed to, I could pass Russia put my hands
24:03
Speaker 5: on folks down there.
24:04
Speaker 3: But I can also do the same to you, buck.
24:08
Speaker 6: So sometimes not in ninety six ninety seven, when I
24:11
Speaker 6: was covering.
24:12
Speaker 5: I mean no, sometimes when you kind of blitz off
24:14
Speaker 5: the edge, I was kind of like a hybrid.
24:16
Speaker 6: Like maybe I was in the bathroom.
24:17
Speaker 3: He was kind of like might maybe I was in.
24:20
Speaker 6: The press box bathroom when that happened.
24:22
Speaker 4: You might have might have missed, might have blinked.
24:24
Speaker 3: However, you are a defensive but I have a.
24:30
Speaker 5: Little cricket see this, okay, because my grip strench wasn't
24:33
Speaker 5: good enough because it gets caught up in the jersey
24:35
Speaker 5: and I couldn't hold on tight enough.
24:37
Speaker 6: In itunds like.
24:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Trayvon is talking about it being able to
24:42
Speaker 5: get his hands inside and control those offensive linemen so
24:46
Speaker 5: that way he can execute those maneuvers not only on
24:49
Speaker 5: past moves where you see guys button jerk and rip
24:52
Speaker 5: and two in swiping those things, but in the run
24:55
Speaker 5: game when you're locking guys out and you're maintaining your
24:58
Speaker 5: gap integrity and your steam in there, so then you
25:01
Speaker 5: can shed them late to make the play.
25:02
Speaker 4: You have to have all of that.
25:04
Speaker 5: And so people see those big old muscles and think, oh, man,
25:06
Speaker 5: he has to bench rest a lot and all that.
25:08
Speaker 5: But really is being able to control people with your hands.
25:11
Speaker 5: We always hear in scouting, Oh he's heavy handed because
25:15
Speaker 5: he has those strong hands.
25:16
Speaker 4: He puts his mits on. He can control you.
25:18
Speaker 5: A lot of that is because the way that he's
25:20
Speaker 5: able to grab you and control the offensive lineman. That's
25:24
Speaker 5: why if he did have his grip strength, compromise, Man,
25:28
Speaker 5: it really impacts the way that you're able to play,
25:30
Speaker 5: particularly in the ring game.
25:31
Speaker 6: Yeah, he played.
25:33
Speaker 3: He played through all this stuff too and just cut
25:35
Speaker 3: her down.
25:36
Speaker 6: That was sort of forgotten about. But and at the
25:40
Speaker 6: end of the season was making huge plays in short yard.
25:45
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not sure they'd be the league and
25:47
Speaker 6: run defense without forty four. So true, I'm a fan.
25:51
Speaker 3: There you have it.
25:52
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are, and certainly Anthony
25:54
Speaker 2: Campanelli is next week mandatory mini camp a week earlier.
25:58
Speaker 2: They're flipping the final week of OTA's mandatory mini camp.
26:01
Speaker 2: So that's next week June nine, ten, eleven, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
26:05
Speaker 2: then three more OTAs on the schedule June fifteen, sixteen seventeen,
26:09
Speaker 2: Monday through Wednesday. That will be the official end of
26:11
Speaker 2: the off season program. John, You'll miss Saday. I'm gonna
26:15
Speaker 2: miss Saturday. It's uh, it's it's really for me when
26:18
Speaker 2: it ends. It's a lot remember that feeling on Christmas
26:22
Speaker 2: night if the presents were open and it was over.
26:24
Speaker 3: You've got three hundred and sixty five days.
26:26
Speaker 6: Way, I mean, it's but it's uh, as I said,
26:30
Speaker 6: it's it's not that important for evaluating, but it's very
26:35
Speaker 6: important for what these guys are doing. And again I
26:37
Speaker 6: like the uh it would be interesting I think when
26:40
Speaker 6: I'm is open too, right the fans.
26:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Wednesday of the mandatory mini camp June tenth.
26:45
Speaker 6: Yes, that's pretty cool.
26:46
Speaker 3: I mean a Wars dot com check it out.
26:48
Speaker 6: That's not not every team does that. Daris haven't done
26:51
Speaker 6: it every year, so that's pretty cool. You know, have
26:54
Speaker 6: a chance for the fans to see the team on Wednesday.
26:57
Speaker 3: Wednesday morning, Buck, you're gonna be here what?
27:00
Speaker 8: Uh?
27:00
Speaker 4: No, I will not be there.
27:02
Speaker 5: But it's a lot of fun and I like, I mean,
27:04
Speaker 5: I didn't know, like I mean, I had it planned
27:05
Speaker 5: it before they had it. At the back end of it,
27:08
Speaker 5: like it were just rolling the following the day weekend,
27:10
Speaker 5: but now like they flipped the schedule, so I'm gonna
27:13
Speaker 5: have to hear about it, Like I won't be here
27:14
Speaker 5: that one. I'll be there this week, but I won't
27:15
Speaker 5: I won't be Unfortunate'm won't be to make the mandatory.
27:18
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we'll have a cover for you on the
27:20
Speaker 2: free website Jaguars dot Com Bucky.
27:22
Speaker 5: Okay, cool, Like, maybe I can tune it. Maybe you
27:24
Speaker 5: can take your little camera phone out there. Maybe you
27:26
Speaker 5: can stream it a little bit so I can see it,
27:28
Speaker 5: give me a little personal.
27:29
Speaker 3: Maybe you can watch John do that.
27:35
Speaker 4: We said it a little.
27:38
Speaker 2: Sources say jags am will have a live cam look at.
27:43
Speaker 4: Oh I like that?
27:45
Speaker 3: Interesting?
27:45
Speaker 2: I like that.
27:46
Speaker 4: How about that?
27:46
Speaker 6: And you get you might get to hear Brian sections
27:50
Speaker 6: expert commentary during that.
27:53
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, you know, sometimes I can do like my dad,
27:55
Speaker 5: Like maybe if there's a radio call, my dad would
27:57
Speaker 5: watch the TV and put on the radio call.
28:00
Speaker 4: So maybe that's what I'll do.
28:02
Speaker 5: I'll do, you know, I'll just have it quiet and
28:04
Speaker 5: I'll just kind of rolled around to the toss of
28:06
Speaker 5: my head while I'm watching it.
28:08
Speaker 6: That's fair Bucky Miles Garrett.
28:10
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, that's right, Scartt. Kind of a busy
28:13
Speaker 3: week in LA in the NFL.
28:15
Speaker 5: I mean, look, look, when you're an LA team, you
28:18
Speaker 5: have to operate like all of the great LA teams
28:21
Speaker 5: have operated. The Lakers have always stolen stars to put
28:24
Speaker 5: together championship teams. My beloved Dodgers may steal a star
28:29
Speaker 5: or two to make sure they stay on top.
28:31
Speaker 4: And now, Lauren behold, looks like the La Rams are
28:33
Speaker 4: falling all in.
28:34
Speaker 5: They did a couple of years ago when they got
28:36
Speaker 5: Jayalen Ramsey made a big push. Now they're doing it
28:39
Speaker 5: again with Miles Garrett. And I'm telling you right now, man,
28:41
Speaker 5: they're talking about the parade. They're already celebrating because the
28:44
Speaker 5: Super Bowl is in Sofi says Sofi Stadium. They're always
28:47
Speaker 5: talking about another home game.
28:49
Speaker 4: Aaron Donald evidently.
28:50
Speaker 5: Is working out and he's thinking about contemplating a comeback.
28:53
Speaker 5: It's a lot of excitement here in LA. But that's
28:57
Speaker 5: cool because they're on the NFC side.
28:59
Speaker 4: Of the bracket.
29:00
Speaker 5: I just got to make sure that the Jaguars can
29:02
Speaker 5: get on the AFC side of the bracket.
29:04
Speaker 4: At the top line.
29:04
Speaker 6: I have two fast questions, and I know we're running along,
29:06
Speaker 6: but do they make that trade if Stafford's not on
29:11
Speaker 6: his year to year deal at the end of it.
29:14
Speaker 6: It seems like Stafford every year now is deciding to
29:17
Speaker 6: come back. That's what he should do at that age
29:21
Speaker 6: if he was more in his prime. Do they make
29:22
Speaker 6: that deal or is it more, Hey, we got to
29:25
Speaker 6: win this thing when Matt's back there. Matthew Well, I.
29:29
Speaker 5: Think they feel like they have a great shot with
29:30
Speaker 5: Matthew Stafford there, MVP level quarterback, maybe a Hall of Famer.
29:34
Speaker 4: The way they're talking about him.
29:35
Speaker 5: Sean McVay just feels great about who he has And
29:38
Speaker 5: part of the reason they've been able to do it
29:40
Speaker 5: because it wasn't just acquiring Miles Garrett for a first
29:43
Speaker 5: round pick.
29:43
Speaker 4: But look, Trent McDuffie.
29:45
Speaker 5: They gave up their second first round pick this year
29:47
Speaker 5: to get an all pro cornerback to come in, and
29:50
Speaker 5: then they drafted Todd Simpson, the quarterback of the future.
29:53
Speaker 5: Why would they potentially draft him because maybe in two
29:56
Speaker 5: years when Matthew Stafford walks away, you got a young
29:58
Speaker 5: quarterback on a cheap deal that allows you to take
30:01
Speaker 5: in all of these exorbitant salaries that they've kind of
30:04
Speaker 5: swallowed up and making these moves. Yeah, but I mean
30:08
Speaker 5: the Rams are unique and lesnig who was a former Jash,
30:13
Speaker 5: he really is f those picks.
30:16
Speaker 4: They're going for it, they go for it a major way.
30:18
Speaker 6: But is it automatically a good deal when you're giving
30:21
Speaker 6: up Verse and a first rounder. I guess it is.
30:25
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess we were gonna pair what those
30:26
Speaker 5: first rounders are going to look like compared to Miles Garrett.
30:30
Speaker 4: They're gonna have to be really really really really really.
30:32
Speaker 5: Good for it to tip in the other team's favor
30:36
Speaker 5: when Miles Garrett is an all timer they were talking about.
30:39
Speaker 5: But I think it bows well when you think about
30:41
Speaker 5: the Jags. And I'm not saying we do everything that
30:43
Speaker 5: the Rams do, sure, but we certainly have a coach
30:48
Speaker 5: and a general manager that grew up in an environment
30:51
Speaker 5: where bold and bodacious is kind of a part of
30:53
Speaker 5: the daily recipe in terms of building a champion. Maybe,
30:57
Speaker 5: just maybe the Jaguars are unafare to throw draft picks
31:02
Speaker 5: in those things if they feel like they need to
31:04
Speaker 5: start at a certain position to get over the top.
31:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they'll get to that point of eventually.
31:08
Speaker 6: I'm not sure they felt like this was that off
31:10
Speaker 6: season yet.
31:10
Speaker 3: Right, they did in the draft two years ago. Yeah
31:13
Speaker 3: with Hunter.
31:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, clearly, yeah, I mean that's clearly there are parallels.
31:16
Speaker 6: So it's why, Yeah, I want to get some insight
31:18
Speaker 6: from buddy.
31:19
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is year to year and year fifteen. You know,
31:23
Speaker 3: maybe they go.
31:25
Speaker 5: Try to hit hopefully sooner, hopefully sooner, and hopefully we
31:27
Speaker 5: start taking big swings before that. I mean, like, I
31:30
Speaker 5: love Trevor, but I'm talking about year fifteen. That's that's
31:33
Speaker 5: the ways from now. Like kind of like to enjoy line.
31:37
Speaker 4: Now, I will.
31:42
Speaker 3: Tell you how old we'll be.
31:42
Speaker 4: You then.
31:45
Speaker 3: Cool, Bucky, have a great week. Always a pleasure. Thank you.
31:50
Speaker 4: It should be a lot of fun.
31:51
Speaker 2: It's it's a Manajoy minicamp. Next week we'll report back
31:54
Speaker 2: to you. That's Bucky Brooks, John O'sdren, JP, Shadduck. Thanks
31:58
Speaker 2: to Joe for gado and Break Reaver. Thanks to you
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Speaker 2: for watching and listening. Huddle up with Bucky Brooks