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Boxing Podcast: How Good Is Osleys Iglesias? And The Ermal Hadribeaj Scouting Report · Big Dog Lukie Boxing Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, everybody?
• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's your good friend, Lukie, and I am on with my guy, Adam.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Adam, I always get your last name flipped,
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: and it's partially because I'm dyslexic a little bit,
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't want to do that because I feel like that happens to you too much.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: So can you noble the 4C or 4C the noble for me?
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, I specifically have this habit of putting B-side fighters in front
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: of A-side fighters and flipping things.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like I read things and then reverse it.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very good.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: So talk to me about Alysses Iglesias.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm super excited about this.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's a very, very good fight.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's one of my favorites.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: You're there live.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: You're wearing a cool jacket.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm here.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in my hotel room in Quebec City.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Second time in Quebec City, so a really cool place.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't feel like I'm in North America, actually.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Feels like Europe here.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: In Quebec City.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, yeah,
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Iglesias,
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: everyone who's here,
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: who's watching Iglesias all the time,
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: the commentators and people like that are saying maybe the best they've ever seen.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: And they've all seen the best.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah, he's real special.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're struggling to get the right.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: The right opponents for him, because I don't think Zarin's going to offer much.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't say it's a great fight.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're just trying to get anyone down the rankings of the IBF.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think they've just got to work their way down,
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: because so many people have turned that fight down with Iglesias, the list.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: The list goes on.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: I won't,
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: I won't mention any names,
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: but yeah, he looks, he looks, he's quite big as well for super middleweight.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he'll probably do something in a super middleweight and then probably move up
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: and do something a light heavyweight, but he's still quite young.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's still in his, in his, in his late twenties.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Really excited to see him tonight.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: What's your expectation?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like seeing a fighter like this, like what, and how familiar are you with him?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Very familiar,
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: because he was actually in Germany,
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: and he was actually fighting on Polish shows randomly.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone knew how good he was.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then Eye of the Tiger snapped him up, and they put together a really, really cool stable.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he's sort of helping spearhead it, I'd say, with M Billy.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I'd say he's their best fighter, and they've got an incredible stable.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think they've got one of the best stables in the sport right now.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I wrote a story that came out on The Good Fight today,
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: and it was basically singing the praises of Iglesias.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: But one of the key topics of it,
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: not to promote my own story,
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: which I don't need to do, is that he basically came out of thin air.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm curious to get the German perspective of what Iglesias was before he came
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: in March 2024 to Canada, because that's when he appeared on my radar.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: What was the perspective of him before then?
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I did,
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: I did an interview with him on,
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think on 5SATW and it talks about, so he defected from Cuba to Germany.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: So he was at the Cologne box cup as an amateur and he was in his hotel room.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: And as the,
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: as he said in the interview,
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: he was just sort of having a,
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: you know, going to the toilet and thought, right, I'm not going back.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: And he had an uncle who was already in, already in Germany.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like a decent amateur, everyone knew who he was, boxed for Cuba.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then, yeah, he just left the hotel, jumped on a train and stayed in Germany.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then he just started going to the gym.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's quite a difficult immigration.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then he linked up with George Bramowski.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's one of the most famous trainers in Germany.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then he started with him,
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: and then he did that bit in Germany and Poland, and then Ai the Tiger came in.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the story in a nutshell.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: When did you first see him on your radar?
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: When he was fighting in Poland a few years ago.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you're looking on BoxRec, and you're saying, oh, who's this guy?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: What's he doing there?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, a few years ago.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: And is this his first fight with Mark Ramsey?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't know that until I got here.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, first fight with Mark Ramsey.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently,
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: him and his German trainer didn't agree on some things,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I have no idea what the story is.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I only found that out when I got here a couple of days ago.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, interesting.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's more of an indicator of how good Ramsey is at the moment
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: and how revered he is as a trainer.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because they all seem to be ending up being trained by him.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he's sort of like on an exclusive thing with either Tigers.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I think the fighters have got that as an option.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's a big chance they're going to try him out as a trainer.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's also a boxing genius.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: Probably one of the smartest people in all of boxing.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's one or two, isn't he?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and his record speaks for itself.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: All the fighters he's worked with.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it just continues on.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like the fighters at the moment.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Billy and Iglesias.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Specifically, it does worry me because I'd like to see them fight each other.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: And the promoter,
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Camille Estefan,
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: has said once they've got some belts, he'll put them in against each other.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: So they're struggling to find opponents, especially Iglesias.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: I know Billy's finally got the Canelo fight, but Billy was struggling to get opponents as well.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it'd be nice to see.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: It'd be nice to see that.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, obviously, M'Billy's got to fight Canelo, which I think he might win.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's got a good unedging M'Billy in that one.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's peaking at the moment.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and from what I've heard in the gym, he's not really had any injury.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, go on.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: The rumblings?
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, from all accounts, he's He's a great trainer.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's always working on it.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think of Canelo and Billy?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is, you can't fall in love with these fighters from 2016 anymore.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: We keep seeing that story like Errol Spence coming back.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's done.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Terence Crawford retires.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: I can't think of another guy.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Keith Thurman comes back, 2016 fighter.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's basically done.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: He keeps coming back.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: He keeps coming back, but it's like he's basically done, right?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a part of me that's like, okay,
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Canelo's in that era of the 2016 guys who we fell in love with,
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: but they're probably not top guys anymore.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I definitely think that Canelo's mentally not in the sport anymore.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's mentally retired, but he's doing this because he likes money.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think that he likes having a purpose with training, but there's definitely...
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's not going to push the same way he was pushing in 2018, 2019.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he pushes the same way.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's older.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's richer.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: But that being said,
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think that there is a world where Canelo can have one last great fight
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: because Mbili's going to be right there for him.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it comes down to...
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: How much Mbili has,
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: how much volume he has,
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: how Canelo responds to it, and really also the counterpunching of Canelo.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because at some point, I think Canelo's going to land.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm curious to see how those shots land on Mbili and how Mbili takes it.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the counterpunching thing, I think that's waned.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit for Canelo recently because he used to be so good at that.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the Eye of the Tiger card.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: What are the fights on this card that you're most excited about seeing?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: Asanu, Dimitri Asanu versus Luis Santana.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm more excited about Asanu.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's really good.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: I commentated a couple of his fights in Germany and no one really knew who he was.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he was sort of just tucked on the undercard.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: Not really.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: They weren't really making much of a big deal about him.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: But, yeah,
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: he was one of the easily head and shoulders above all
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: the other fighters I was watching in Germany at the time.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, Luka Plantic was actually on that card as well.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: But he hasn't really taken off as much.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: He sort of struggled.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know he's had a couple of good fights.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: He fought Martinez, didn't he?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think he's one of those guys who went from prospect to contender.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't really take the fight to get to contender.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: He just went good prospect and then jumped to like title eliminator type bout,
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: which is always kind of a hard thing to do.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't necessarily live the life.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: As you have to sort of reach that elite level.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, yeah, Sanu.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's really good.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he spent a year inactive.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then Eye of the Tiger picked him up.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: A bit like an Iglesias situation.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Sort of just not really doing anything in the doldrums of German boxing.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a year inactivity.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's two years in...
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: A few months since they signed him, and now he's number four with WBC and IBF.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then he's fighting a fellow Eye of the Tiger fighter, Luis Santana, who comes to fight.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's been knocked down in, I think, two of his last four fights.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that could be interesting.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: But, yeah, I think it could produce a spectacular performance from a Sanu.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think it could be quite crazy, you know?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's a great fight.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to say the controversial take here.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Asanu looks like a potential world champion.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Luis Santana has been lucky to win a few fights, in my opinion.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: And he hasn't looked great.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a step your game up fight for Luis Santana.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: And this is for Asanu.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you are who we think you are, you're probably going to look pretty good tonight.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's the way I see it.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I spoke to him not yesterday, the day before.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, Thursday, Friday, it's messing up my equilibrium.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: But, yeah, on Tuesday, he seemed on it.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: He seemed well up for it.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that's really interesting.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ten rounds, WBC and IBF regional titles on there, continental thingies.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that really – but, yeah, he's putting a lot – I'm expecting Asano to come up.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: I call that the trade of a real guy where it's like you're taking on guys
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: that are contenders and good fighters and like you're not trying to hold
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: the position.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're fine.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, this guy's got a good record.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's an easy fight to make.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas like,
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: maybe the guys that we have questions about seem to find themselves
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: in strategically matched fights.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: But that seems to be a thing with Eye of the Tiger Stable.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently Santana snapped out the chance to fire Santana as well.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: So well up for it.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well up for the, you know, willing to test themselves.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're both undefeated.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: 13-0 versus 16-0.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Really, really good fight.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: And Santana's from Montreal as well.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: So he's fighting in front of, you know, his own people.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's a quality fight.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's like the start of the card, basically.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's a couple of prelim fights there, but yeah.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then you've got Katayev against Padraig McCrory.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Is that a one alligator, two alligator fight?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: You can count alligators before the fight's over?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it'll be good to see where Ketelle is because he must be feeling
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: a bit unlucky because he should be a world champion at the moment
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: after what happened with Morel.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's kind of gone a bit.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's had a couple of fights since,
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: but on You know, not sort of main events or anything like that.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: You would have expected him to, yeah, kind of missed his shot there.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he'll, yeah, I think McCrory will offer something.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think this is the thing with him, and let's let Lukie get on the soapbox.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: He was by far and away the most entertaining 2020 Olympian.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Whitaker beats him, but Ben acted like he won the gold medal when he beat him.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then he hits the pros,
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: kind of underachieves, and he's had fights where they've been way too close.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say the majority or a split decision.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: He got dropped in one of...
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like he hasn't differentiated the way you want to see.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think part of that is he's trying to knock everybody out.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: He got dropped in possibly his last fight to Diallo.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was two fights ago.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of things blend together currently.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, he has the morale performance.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the other thing to me is for a fighter of his background,
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: high amateur, it's a little surprising he's as up and down as he is.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: I would expect a more consistent career.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with you.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he is inconsistent,
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: but yeah, that's what kind of makes this an okay fight, you know, against McCrory.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it depends which Ketelle.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Ketelle's last fight was a bit weird.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: He kind of got dropped, and then the other guy just kind of randomly quit.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really know the reason for that.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the way he got dropped… Sorry.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to say the way he got dropped is he loaded up and the guy caught him
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: with like a jab.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: So he used his power against him and then it just,
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: he got off the canvas and was like, now I got to beat you up.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like one of those weird optics things.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we'll see tonight.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see tonight where he is.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, that,
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: that by all accounts,
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: his management team are, you know, looking at another world title show for him.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: In the next couple of fights.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I think he's still pretty well ranked across a few of them.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that will be good.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'll tell you what's a really good fight.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Mateo against Shishkin as well.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's a real step up for Wilkins.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's still really young.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: So for him to fight Shishkin is another really good fight.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Too big of a jump.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: He looked pretty good against Falcao, but he didn't look great in the early rounds.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't look terribly good.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it would be fair play for him for jumping up this quickly.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: But, yeah, he's only 21.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: I had to Google that.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: But he's only 21.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that could be difficult.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: That was the one where maybe they're banking on Shishkin having a lot of damage
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: from Iglesias,
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: hard fight with Skull,
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: but it does feel like he's jumping into that contender spot rather quickly for
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: a young guy.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he wants to get stuck in.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, fair play.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: At least 16-0.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Where else?
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: How many more North American-level
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: title fights can he have?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that could be...
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who's going to win that one.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: That could go either way.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's going to be a really tough fight.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Shishkin is still a really good fighter, I think.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's got...
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Some pretty decent people behind him in boxing.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Is it Sugarhill?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is his trainer?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: I believe so.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: He was here, so he must
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: be, yeah.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think Salih is still his promoter,
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: so there must be something left if they're still bothering with him.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, really cool fight.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Really cool fight.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Really cool show.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's jump ahead.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do speculative.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if you want to do any Floyd Schofield, Lucas body.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited for that fight, but I feel like nobody in the world cares.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's a really good fight,
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: but it's like two kind of mild-mandered, under-the-radar fighters.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot what was happening, to be honest.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Genuine consensus.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: It feels like that one's flying under the radar.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted to jump into this Fandora fight because I feel like you're going
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: to totally know a lot about Ermal.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: I can't pronounce his last name.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me you know about this guy that's fighting Fandora.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I know that you knew about him.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't prompted me on this.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've commentated a couple of his fights.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: He fought in...
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: I commentated on a fight in Albania.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: In November.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I commentated a fight of his on that WBC convention in Hamburg.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think he had a fight in between.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it just scoops up all the rounds.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: But no power.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like zero power.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like nothing.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like really, really poor power.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like Tricky Southpaw.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's got eight knockouts in 23 wins.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, terrible fight.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: bad fight.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was hearing big things in Vegas about Bakari Samak.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: I believe that's how you say his name?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: Samak Day?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, apparently he's playing good.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: But he beat him.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: But in Germany, yeah,
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't actually watched that fight, but I do know the people who were there.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: They said there was some...
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was a close fight.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: It could have gone either way in politically correct terms.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but... Yeah, I heard it was a little more extreme than what you're saying.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, apparently...
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, he might have got lucky with that one, but...
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's not great.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So this isn't a good fight?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: We can't talk ourselves into this one?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: It might show how... Because I don't think Fondora is the greatest thing in the world.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Do you?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at his record now.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: There's just a lot of Tim Tzu and one of Thurman's comebacks.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, this is a really bad fight.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that for me with Fundora,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: the issue is that he's getting better based on the eye test,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: but he's fighting fighters outside of Timzu the first time where you favor him.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: So he's improving, but it's like he's fighting guys that you feel like he has advantages over.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Keith Thurman was an interesting fight in theory, but Keith's older.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: He tried to box him.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: I guess for me, I think Fendora could be really good.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: He poses a really big physical frame,
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: but it also feels like we lack that fight against one of those guys.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: The Virgil Ortiz is the drawn boots in as hell.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'd take a Josh Kelly at this point.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Just someone that presents something a little bit more and comes with a lot
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: of enthusiasm and belief that they can do something.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the other thing with Fendora is That Brian Mendoza knockout wasn't that long ago.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: So when a guy gets knocked out like that,
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think in the back of your mind,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: you're going, has he changed or are these styles more suited to him?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: And is that still possible?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he got lucky against Tazou in the first fight.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was with the, there was some, there was some head cuts, weren't there?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, uh, and he won the, he won the split decision.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, But yeah, it's a bit similar to how they did it with Deontay Wilder.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't really fight anyone with the WBC title.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of okay-ish names, but there was a lot of crap.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then when he finally met someone,
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: finally started fighting people, you know, the results speak for themselves.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I think...
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is where it leads to for Sebastian Vendor as soon as he gets in there
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: with the real elite.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: So if we put him in with any of those names you just mentioned,
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it goes very well for him.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Do you?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a world where he's maybe even the best guy,
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: but you got to make those fights soon because I don't think that you can have
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: a guy like this wait a couple of years.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like if he were that guy, it has to happen right now.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but yeah, this is such a weird fight.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this guy is Euro level at best.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's going to be a weird main event, basically.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Fandora is going to come out to some heavy metal and he's just going
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: to walk this guy down and this guy's not going to be able to keep him off.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's a bit tricky.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's a bit tricky, so he might be able to survive a bit.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: But there's just, there's no substance really to it.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's got the Samake fight, but
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: yeah, it's just, it's not a great world title fight, that.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's not very good.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then your guy, the Charlo bro, he's out of his fight too.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He fell off the card.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on with PBC in general?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's not looking great for them.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously,
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not over in America,
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: but yeah, it looks like they're hanging in there as a promoter.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: In terms of any promoter not named Matchroom on DAZN,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: it doesn't feel like anyone's getting enough fight dates from the outside looking
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: in.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that's not going to help.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's not going to build champions, so that's going to affect your stable.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, not overly excited with what PBC are producing at the moment, to be honest.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what about Fabio Wardley, Daniel Dubois, too?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: See, I just did it again.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: I just showed you what it is.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: I flipped the names because in my brain, I read it, Daniel Dubois versus Fabio Wardley.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: But when I say it, it comes out backwards.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: See, that just shows you how I do that.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: But...
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: This feels too soon to me.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: It feels like Wardley took too much power
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: with his recuperative Wolverine-like recuperative powers.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Are we going to just see Wardley,
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: who's a likable kind of Deontay Wilder-like figure that people got behind,
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: just rush back and maybe his career shortened?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or are we going to get a Cinderella story?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's already a Cinderella.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's got no amateur background.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: He did white-collar stuff because he liked fighting, I think.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: So he's come up an interesting route.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, if he can get it, he might win because he knocked down Dubois early.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: If he can get it done early...
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's his.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's when the fights go on a little bit longer, he struggles.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: But even then,
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: he's been losing a lot of his fights until real late and then producing
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: the equaliser.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's a tough man.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I don't know.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: He took a real pasting, though, in the last one.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: That was verging on difficult to watch.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Really surprised they let that go because the referees will stop.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Anything in the UK,
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: like any sign if you're going to drop, they're probably going to call the fight.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: So surprised to see that one continue, to be honest.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's your level of excitement on the lukie scale?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: So the lukie scale is I'm going out to a restaurant, is not excited.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to go eat at that restaurant that you've been waiting to go to, that new pop-up.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to go to the Abdullah Mason pop-up shop.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: So one is instead of watching fights, you're going to go to the Abdullah Mason pop-up shop.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: So 10 is bad, yeah?
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Ten is good.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ten is good.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Ten is good.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Let's explain the Lukie scale even more because this will probably outweigh the question.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Ten is watching my favorite TV show, which is Ted Lasso.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: Ten is really good.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not covering it, actually.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm pretty excited.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: I can just watch it.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to go for a nine.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited about it.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be a really good fight.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Something bad is going to happen.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be good.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really excited.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: A number nine.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: A nine would be...
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say nine would be like I turn on the TV and Miami Vice the remake is on
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: and we're in one of the classic scenes like the hand grenade scene.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I got to stay there for that.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a really good feeling, you know?
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to get a takeaway and everything.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to make a bit of a night of it.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be nice.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: So explain, we got 10 more minutes left because I don't pay for Zoom and I'm cheap.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Talk an American fight fan through why this fight's so impactful to you and why it's
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: so exciting from the violence to the implications.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Wardley and Dubois too.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just good.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's good for British boxing.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Another war title fight
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: against two British guys.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Both of them seem to want to fight anyone.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really hear of them turning many fights down.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Dubois has been in there with Usyk twice.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just a good old-fashioned British heavyweight fight,
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: which is a world title fight as well.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that makes it even more awesome being a proud British person as well.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's one thing I wanna talk about, too, in the going out.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anthony, I can't ever say his name, what's his name?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Kekache?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Anthony Kikachi, yeah.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's a good fighter.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: So he is a world champion,
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: but he also exists mostly in a European level where American fans might not be aware
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: of him, but he's a very good fighter.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Is this fight kind of like an attraction like that where it's
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: a championship level bout,
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: but it also has that regional interest that makes it even bigger of a fight,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: given also that both guys have knockouts?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well,
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not too sure because I don't know how big – I haven't really spoken
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: to any Americans about it until I spoke to you.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: So is no one really paying attention to it over there?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: I would say outside of me and some credible boxing reporters,
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say you could find very credible high-profile boxing people that are unaware
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: of this fight happening next week.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's how under-the-radar it is.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a lot going on, though.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of stuff happening as well.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's interesting.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: But do you know what?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Funny thing about America, I don't think boxing's that big in America at the moment.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because when I got in a taxi to go to Plant C, Pro Box HQ.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not Plant C or near Plant C.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Near the HQ.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Port Lauderdale or somewhere near there.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: And...
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was talking to the taxi driver, a nice guy, and he didn't know who Oleksandr Usyk was.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: He was the best heavyweight at the time.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: He had no idea who he was, but he said he liked his boxing.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: But he knew about all the stuff in the 80s and 90s.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: But he didn't know who he was.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Now, when Usyk fought Dubois, Usyk was like a...
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Household name in the UK.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was the,
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: he was the bigger draw than Dubois at Wembley Stadium,
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: but there was big advertising boards with him everywhere.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah,
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: it's kind of,
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think boxing's just much more fashionable in the UK and Europe at
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: the moment compared to America.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Just think that the American fighters, we don't have enough shows.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have enough dates.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: And the fighters that maybe could lift the sport up, we're just not quite seeing the fights.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like an Abdullah Mason feels like a rising star.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it feels like he needs to get these high-profile fights and make some of those fights.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the excitement for me about Schofield versus Lucas Boddy is
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: the winner of this fight is probably going to do a unification bout.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really what we need to make stars, in my opinion.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's an interesting,
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: that fight as well,
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: no one's really talking about that one in Europe and the UK,
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, there's a lot happening at the moment, I think.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like there's a lot of fights, especially at title level.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say in the U.S.,
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: people are talking more about speculative fights for
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: the analytics heads like Terrence Crawford versus Ryan Garcia.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: You don't understand how big this would be for the sport.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: Floyd versus Ryan Garcia would be so big rather than being like,
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: OK, let's talk about a fight that's happening.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of where U.S. boxing is going.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: But I think I was talking to the obviously, I mean, French, Quebec,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: French-speaking Canada,
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: and they were saying they've got a good fan base here within boxing,
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: but they're still competing against some really big sports with the ice hockey and
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: the baseball and the American football and stuff, and even MLS.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah,
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot going on in America,
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: but I think Yeah,
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of the best American fighters have been inactive as well.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: They don't fight enough once a year,
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: whereas Wardley and Dubois are going at it just a few months later.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone in the UK, there's always something going on with them.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: And even when they've been losing, all these heavyweights have been fighting each other.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Even when they've been losing, they've been able to rebound and come back and win a world title.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Look at Filip Pergovic.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: He lost by knockout, and now he's the world champion.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: That tricky game plan of his,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: get beat up for a bunch of rounds, and then, you know, that was tricky.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: He got a little bit lucky, I think.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Just maybe a smidge.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Any final thoughts before I let you plug all your socials?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't see any point in plugging my socials.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: No one really pays any attention.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Final thoughts?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just been nice to talk to you, mate, because I haven't seen your face for a while.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: We actually were on the same platform again.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're reunited.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty cool.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're back.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: We're brothers in arms again.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: We were at odds.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: The podcast listeners don't know.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, we were never at odds, but it's great.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Adam, you are one of my buddies,
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: and the coolest thing about this podcast Your boxing journey is
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: the great people you work with and you're one of the great people I've worked with.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just cool to try to continue friendships over time as you move on
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: from different places.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: But we both share a mutual respect for each other.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you say something about a fighter,
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: I always hold it to heart and you are the heartbeat of obscure European boxing.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows obscure European boxing like you.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was talking to Corey Erdman, the commentator.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: He knows some things.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's great.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's one of the best.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: He knows.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was bending his ear for a while as well.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I talk about boxing all day.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: In every taxi we've been in here with all the fighters, you can't shut me up.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime, mate.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love talking about boxing with you.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Even though I don't know that much, but I just know I know some stuff.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's today's episode, and we will talk to you soon.