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Former MLB pitcher DANIEL WINKLER joins the show! · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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We are waiting for our guest. I don't know what's going on,
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but whenever Daniel Winkler joins us, we will have them on.
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It's, it's been a crazy one. And by the way, I, I'm reading
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all the different posts on YouTube and I, you know what's
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funny about Jeff and Jeff, you obviously, you come in, you come
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out, you disappear, you, you show up after six or seven
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months and you show your ugly face and you know what?
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I think you're so funny is as soon as I give my take on
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Fernando Mendoza and he doesn't like it, he disappears.
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And I got to give Jeff a little bit of credit because if there's
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anybody that knows about college football, it's Jeff.
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But to say that Fernando Mendoza is not going to be anything in
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the NFL or he's to me or to him, he thinks he's he shouldn't have
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won the Heisman. I could say about.
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I could say the same thing about Travis Hunter, who, by the way,
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Jeff said should have won the Heisman Trophy last year, which
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he did. And where is Travis Hunter right
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now? Oh, that's right.
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He barely had a season, was not any good this year and look like
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crap. So I'm not saying Jeff's always
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right. And there were other people,
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other linebackers in the league I can mention in Arizona.
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One of them, I don't know if he's still there, who he thought
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was. Going to be so special.
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The next big thing? Zavin Collins.
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Yeah, how good is Zavin Collins in the NFL?
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Average of best. OK.
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And I remember when he said Zavin Collins was a first round
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talent. Was he a first round talent?
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Now when you look at them, the answer would be no.
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You're not always right, Jeff. Nobody's always right.
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And we don't know what these guys are going to turn out to
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be. Go ask.
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I don't know, over 200 draft, you know, 202 hundred teams.
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Go ask 30 teams with two almost 200 picks or 145 picks when Tom
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Brady was drafted. Or go back in time, Russell
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Wilson, who was drafted in the third round and look out.
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Look how he turned out to be. I mean, there are our
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quarterbacks and there are players that have been drafted
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over the years, drafted in the later rounds that become
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something. So I don't know, I I don't know
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why he thinks Mendoza isn't going to be good.
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And maybe he's right. Maybe Mendoza isn't doesn't turn
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out to be good. And maybe as a Jeff fan, I don't
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want to see or take a chance to see if he fails here in New
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York. But when I saw at at the Heisman
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Trophy dinner and and my interview with him and my
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conversations with him and his teammates, I think he's special.
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I think he's going to fit here in New York like a glove, either
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with the Giants or The Jets, maybe even Vegas.
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If Vegas somehow gets the number one pick or if they're, they
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fall out of the top three right now and fall, If they beat the
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Giants and fall out and fall to seven or eight, wherever they
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fall behind the New York Jets and they want to move up to jump
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to one with the the Giants. I, I, I could see him do very
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well with Vegas as well. I think the opportunity and the
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possibilities that this kid has as a young superstar quarterback
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is very high. And I, I, I just like his
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personality. It fits.
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If he goes to a city that doesn't have a good fan base, I
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think he'll be better, but has a big fan base like New York.
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I think he'll fit very, very well here because he's got the
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personality like an Eli Manning. I think he's very quiet.
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He's very strategic on how he attacks the questions and he
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understands what the media will, how the media would judge him if
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he uses the wrong presentation or the wrong answers to the
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questions. I think he's very good at that.
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I think he fits here in New York, no question.
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You have mentioned that you mentioned the leadership when
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you were talking to me on the phone when we were at the
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Heisman Trophy and I think it probably fits the mindset of.
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But they're like I said, I, I got to give Jeff a little bit of
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credit because he has been right sometimes on players and, and if
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they, and I always go to Jeff when it comes to college players
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because he bets on them. So he knows the inside sources
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of these players and and and he also also worked in, I think,
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insurance. Insurance for insurance for
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college athletes. I think Tennessee was his first
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stop and then he roved around the SEC.
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So he knows, he knows college football.
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So whenever I'm trying to get information about a certain
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college football player, I'm going to Jeff, but the the
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attacks that and I would say he attacked Fernando Mendoza, but
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he tells me Fernando Mendoza and I see that we have our guest in.
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So don't worry about it guys. I'm going to introduce them in
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just a second. I want to finish my take care.
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I I think Fernando Mendoza has an opportunity to become a star
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player in this league because of his personality.
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He's got the ability to step into the pocket.
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He has the ability to throw outside of the hashes, and he
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can do things on the run that other quarterbacks can't do in
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the NFL right now. And he's very accurate.
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He's one of the more accurate quarterbacks in college football
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today. So to say that he can't succeed
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or become an elite quarterback in this league, I think that's
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crazy. Again, only time will tell.
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Anyways, he's in, ladies and gentlemen, for the first time on
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Jabba to Mouth. Jabba is not with us as of right
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now, but we are now talking to former Braves and Cubs pitcher
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Daniel Winkler. Daniel, what's up, buddy?
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What's up guys? Sorry about my my tardiness,
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that's all. Right.
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Home for the holidays so trying to figure all this out.
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I hear the background. First of all, who you hanging
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out with? What part of the family are you
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are, you know, celebrating the holidays with?
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Yeah, my mom and dad. So I live in Nashville, just
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outside Nashville. I grew up in Illinois, so my
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wife and I are from this area. So we came, came, came back to
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Illinois for the weekend. About to go head back tomorrow
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to warmer weather. Where's that Florida?
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I wish. Where?
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Arizona? Nashville, Yeah, a Nashville?
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No, but. Oh, so you're going back to
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Nashville after after tonight? Yeah, that's, yeah, that's where
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we live. All right.
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I thought you were in Nashville hanging out with the fam.
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That's where you I. But I got you.
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I got what you're saying. I wish I was.
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Yeah, yeah, I wish. Just in BFE, Illinois.
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All right, so he's in Illinois, he's enjoying the the holidays
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with his fam and we are talking to former Braves and Cubs
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pitcher Daniel Winkler. Dan, before we get into the
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Braves offseason and the Cubs offseason, I, I, do you see
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yourself coming back to the majors?
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Do you see yourself playing again in the MLB?
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And what have you been doing since your 2021 season with the
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Cubs? Yeah, I would love to, but I I
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don't think I got too many Gray hairs now.
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I don't think they want old guys anymore.
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So how old are you? What?
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Do you mean old guys? Yeah, I'm, I'll be 36 in a
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couple months. So I always thought I'd play
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till 40. I played with Jason Greeley, who
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played, I think he was 42 when he retired.
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So I always thought that was going to be me, but wasn't in
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the cards. I mean, sometime maybe if
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there's coaching or something, I'd like to get back.
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I got three small kids, so I like spending time.
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I've spent 12 years, you know, running all over the country.
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So it's it's nice to be home and take the kids to school and pick
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them up from school every now and.
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Then All right, so why don't we go into the offseason first with
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the Braves and the Braves obviously signed their shortstop
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and and he he looked pretty good in the second-half of the
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season. A pretty good defender can hit
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for average. The Braves, I would have
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thought, and they have a great farm system.
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They always have a great farm system.
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They always find a great pitcher in their farm system.
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And we see what a Cunha has turned out to be when healthy,
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he's one of the more dominant to dual dual threats in the major
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leagues. Why do you think the Braves
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haven't put or spent the money that a lot of other teams have
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spent over the last couple of years?
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That's a good question and and one that I've never really
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thought of because I think it lined up being a bigger market.
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They probably have the money and the funds to do so.
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You know, and it feels like when was the last time they spent
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money maybe for their first baseman when they traded Freddie
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away. Yeah.
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So, yeah, yeah. You know, I don't know.
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I don't know if it has something to do with their ownership.
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You know, their ownership is public.
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So that has the bottom line has something to do with that.
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You know, I also think that like you, you mentioned earlier, they
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are so good with their farm system.
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I played with all those guys, Riley, Acuna, Ozzy, all those
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guys when they came up and they were, you know, nobody's then
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really. So they're they're really good
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at that. Maybe they feel like that's a
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good spot for them and a good place to be and they, you know,
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don't have don't want to put the resources towards somebody else.
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I want to ask from the the pitching injury standpoint,
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something that's affected the Braves, it's affected a lot of
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different teams. There was a report last year
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about like all the different factors to why these pitchers
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are getting much more elbow injuries, more Tommy John
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surgeries in general. Like obviously you playing with
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a lot of those pitchers there that have dealt with it.
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Like what do you think is the biggest factors between either
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development or training that it hurts these pitchers?
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Yeah. So, you know, the last year I
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spent working at a place called Drive on baseball drivelines,
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you know, pretty big and the weighted ball scene and, you
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know, performance. What I'll say is I think it's
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it's kind of the culture it is, you know, like your jobs on the
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line. There's there's such a small
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margin to throw harder. And that's kind of those are the
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guys who get contracts right, the guys who throw harder, the
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guys who have the best stuff. So you're always going to try
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every offseason to throw harder, be better, be stronger, and
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that's just kind of the the environment that they set up.
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So I think those arm injuries are just a condition of what the
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game is. And, and I'm not sure it's a bad
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thing in a way. It's just kind of, you know, as
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a player, you just kind of accept it.
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It's just how it is. You have Tommy John, you're out
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of year to come back and hopefully you don't have to do
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it again. As everybody knows, we are
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talking to former Braves and Cubs pitcher Daniel Winkler.
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He pitched for the Braves from 2015 to the 2019 and he pitched
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for the Cubs from 2020 to 2021. Daniel, the fact the fact is I,
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I don't get it. Chris Sales, he he has one of
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these all time great seasons. He's a great pitcher and then he
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gets hurt. I mean, obviously the way he
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throws the ball, a lot of people question the way his release
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point and a lot of people say he puts a lot of torque on his his
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arm and his elbow. But when this guy is on point,
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this guy is one of the best pitchers in baseball.
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The Boston Red Sox decided to part ways with him because he
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couldn't stay healthy. The Braves bring him in to fill
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in with some of the to give him some depth after, you know, Max
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Freed went to the New York Yankees.
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Why do you think Chris Sale just turned into the superstar
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pitcher he once was when he came when he went to the Boston Red
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Sox? Yeah, I think change of scenery
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always, you know, I think sometimes as fans maybe forget
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that they're humans, that, you know, sometimes changing
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sceneries can be good for guys. And I think Chris Sale grew up
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in Florida or in the South, So I think Atlanta was kind of a
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hometown team and Atlanta's good for that.
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I mean, the Braves fans are amazing.
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They're very welcoming. And the the dude is nasty.
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You know, I think the problem wasn't him on the field.
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It was just keeping him on the field, right?
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Coming to Atlanta just was a a really good thing for him.
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And and, you know, I think that probably helped him, you know,
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pitch better. Like I said, the guy is
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disgusting. I remember watching him.
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I was used to try to hang out in the dugout as much as possible.
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And watching him like first hand, he's just disgusting.
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He's not just good stuff, but he's deceptive.
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And you know, there's lots of guys out there that have just
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nasty stuff. But if you can also make it look
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just, you know, like not like everyone else makes really good.
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And that's why he's he's as good as he is.
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Now you say deceptive. What?
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What as a pitcher now everybody asks, well, what makes a pitcher
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so deceptive? When you watch Chris Sale now
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obviously it's release point. What makes his pitching style so
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deceptive? Yeah, I think he hides the ball
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really well. You don't see the ball until,
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you know, almost that release point.
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A lot of hitters will say, you know, I remember when I was
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teammates with Chris Bryant when he would talk about, you know,
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how he would look into a window and if it was coming out of the
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window, he knew whether to swing at it or if it was going to be a
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ball. And Chris Sale is the guy that
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you can't really, you know, look out of a window.
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It's kind of more you got to adjust.
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There's no other left-handed pitchers that throw like him.
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So these hitters are so used to seeing certain guys that are at
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a certain arm angle that throw different stuff.
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And he's not like those guys. And then he's throwing, you
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know, 100 from that angle with a wipeout slider.
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The deception comes from hiding. And then also he's unlike
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anybody else that's, you know, in baseball, uniqueness and
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something, he said. Another nasty pitcher over there
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with the the Braves is Spencer Strider.
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And this guy is for everybody, somebody's fantasy team.
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When healthy, this guy is as dominant as any pitcher we've
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seen. And, and when he's at the top of
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his game and he's healthy, you can compare him to some of the
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best pitchers, the screwball, the school bowls and all the
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other guys that we we mentioned. What makes Spencer Strider so
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good and why can't this kid stay healthy for a full season?
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It's been 2 years, why can't this kid stay healthy?
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That's a great question. The quads probably make him so
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good and the quads are probably the reason why I can't stay
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healthy. Not you know, I, I think we
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talked about earlier how you put so much stress on the arm and
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his stuff is so nasty throws so hard.
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He's so strong from what I hear, you know, the guy can squat the
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house. So I think he's just putting so
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much torque and so much pressure on his arm and his whole body.
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You know, I think he, the other thing from what I've heard is he
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is pretty religious about stretching, being mobile, those
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kind of things. So I would expect him to be
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healthier than he is. And you know, the Tommy John,
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those kind of things, they seem like freak things more than more
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than they should be. So hopefully in the future stay
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healthy and you know, be maybe 3-4 five years down the road and
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lead them to a couple World Series.
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So Ronald Lacuna on and off the field.
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Obviously on off on the field, he's been fantastic when he has
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been healthy, deal with a bunch of major leg injuries
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unfortunately in recent years. But off the field he's sometimes
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spawned some controversy too with we've seen with Tatis,
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we've seen a lot of the other guys that have been flair.
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There was a tension with his manager this year of Ryan
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Snicker, who is kind of more of an old school guy and benched
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him for a few games because of that.
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Like what type of personality was a Cunha and do you have any
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good stories of him? Yeah, Ronnie's the best, a
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really good teammate. Really.
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He loves baseball. You know, I think that's one
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thing I always remember. Ronnie just loved to come in and
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just be at the baseball field and talk baseball.
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You know, the only good story that I have, like I said, when I
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was 2015, I came over, I actually had Tommy John.
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All those guys were in the GCL, so they were in rookie ball.
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And I remember watching Ronald hit BP and they were talking,
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you know, this guy signed for $10,000 and it just sounded
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different off his bat. The guy was just hitting nukes,
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like 500 foot homers. And you know, I was like,
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everyone was saying this kids going to be something someday.
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And it wasn't, you know, a year or two he was #1 prospect top
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100, those kind of things. So I think everybody knew once
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they laid out Ronnie that he was going to be something special.
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And yeah, I think he that's why him and Snit, kind of like you
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said, Snit's old school. He came from Bobby, you know, I
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I butted heads with him a little bit too, you know, I he's so old
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school and and Ronnie does too. He just wants to play the game.
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He wants to have fun and enjoy his time.
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And it's hard. Like 162 games, you're the face
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of the franchise, those kind of things.
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So, you know, when, when that happened, I I wasn't as
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surprised because they are personalities do flash a little
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bit. But I think Snit and Ronald, you
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know, behind the scenes have such a good relationship.
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I think it's just kind of in the media, those kind of things.
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He he needs to kind of, I don't want to say teach him a lesson,
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but he had to do something about it.
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We are talking to former Braves and Cubs pitcher Daniel Winkler.
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Pitch from 2015 to 2019 with the Braves, in 2020 to 2021 with the
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Cubs. We look at the catchers in the
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league and there's a lot of great or good catchers, but
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there's only like 3 elite ones and you've had you've, you've
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thrown to a couple of good ones over there with the Atlanta
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Braves. Is there a particular catcher
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now? Because I there was a catcher
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that was just traded to the Boston Red Sox, Pretty good one.
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Is there a specific catcher that you like to throw to and why did
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you like to throw to to throw to him at any point of your career?
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Yeah, you know, to come to mind the new Angels manager, Kurt
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Suzuki. I love throwing to Zook.
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I think Zook and I had a really good relationship.
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I don't know what it was about him.
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Maybe it's kind of the smaller target.
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You know, when I would throw the flow, he was such a big target
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back there like that aim small, Miss small kind of thing.
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And then Willie guy you mentioned, and I love throwing
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to Willie. Willie was so good because he
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again, maybe it might might be that aim small, miss small.
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But he he tell you how it is, you know if like.
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Hey, this is what we're going to do.
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This is why we're going to do it.
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You're going to go execute and then you'd go back and when we
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do it and I and I love that kind of kind of, you know, style from
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my catcher, like he knows what we're going to do.
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He's been in the game so long. So I really like to to throw to
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Wilson and great guy. I hope you know he does some
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special things over in Boston. See, I threw a curveball at you
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because I knew you threw to Wilson Catreras.
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And we have some Boston fans that are big Boston Red Sox
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fans. What type of player is Wilson
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Catreras? What type of player?
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Well, like I said, he's very, I want to say Stern, but he knows
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how to play the game. He knows what he wants to do and
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and he's one of those guys that also loves to play the game.
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You know, a lot of the Dominican guys, Venezuelan guys, like
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those guys love playing baseball.
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I just saw a video of LA De La Cruz playing pick up baseball
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and, you know, just wherever. So those guys love playing
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baseball. And that's what I love about,
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you know, Willie and Ronald and those guys.
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Javi was another guy that comes to mind.
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So I think of of Wilson like that and always smiling, always
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like welcoming. And you know, he was, I remember
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when I came over, everyone was saying he was not that good with
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the the pitching staff when, but when I came over, he was, he was
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great. He asked a ton of good
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questions. He was always into the scouting
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reports, those kind of things. He was very welcoming.
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So I think he's probably been to a few teams now that he kind of
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is that veteran status. He knows what he needs to do.
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He's going to pick up where he needs to, you know, kind of be
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and I think he always knows his bat is what's going to keep him
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in the lineup as well and, and on the field.
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So he's he's good for that too. So you actually were managed by
22:25
another catcher too, and David Ross when you were at the Cub.
22:27
See, it was his first two years and then he was fired a couple
22:30
years ago after they decided to spend a lot on Craig Council,
22:33
which maybe that was, we'll see. But I always thought Ross was a
22:36
smart guy. He was loved by that Cubs World
22:38
Series team as the first string catcher in 2016.
22:40
I always thought he was going to be a manager at some point.
22:42
It just made a lot of sense. But what was he like?
22:45
And obviously you compare him with Snicker, who he said was
22:47
very old school and Stern was like personalities with ex
22:50
player being a manager. How is that different?
22:52
Yeah, you know, I love both of those guys, you know, but like
22:56
you said, totally different the way they managed.
23:00
When Rossi came over, he had his locker room right next to the to
23:05
the clubhouse and snit was more of like see not heard kind of
23:10
style. And Rossi was, you know, he he
23:13
had your back and that was for me out.
23:15
That's just kind of player I was like, I wanted to know that you
23:19
had my back and Rossi was really good about putting you in in
23:22
situations where you can succeed.
23:25
And I just, if you didn't succeed, you know, he came over,
23:30
he told you why he did this kind of stuff.
23:32
So I think Rossi will be a manager again someday.
23:36
I was hoping it'd be with the Braves.
23:39
I think they're in, you know, the Braves are in good hands
23:41
with Walt. You know, another player's coach
23:44
as well. I had, I had Walt as a bench
23:46
coach when I was with the Braves.
23:48
So I think Rossi will be successful wherever he goes.
23:52
I was kind of bummed when the Cubs let him go.
23:55
I think he did a really good job.
23:56
I think he he's more of a leader of people.
23:59
And so I, I'd be excited to see where he lands in the future and
24:04
you know what, what that plays, how that plays out, I guess.
24:07
All right, so I want to, I do want to get into the Cubs, but I
24:11
I want to go into the league. And what is it about people and
24:16
fans and even players attacking managers?
24:20
Now there's one over here in New York and Aaron Boone.
24:23
A lot of fans don't like Aaron Boone.
24:25
I don't know why. I mean, the guy wins.
24:27
He hasn't won a World Series and it's not very easy to win a
24:30
World Series. The Yankees haven't won a World
24:32
Series since 2009. Go watch a Rods documentary.
24:35
It's not easy and usually the Yankees and I don't know if you
24:39
can remember a, you can pick a team right now that's had
24:43
winning season after winning season after winning season.
24:46
Then the Yankees. The Yankees have won 35 winning
24:49
season. I think it's 35 or 34 winning
24:51
seasons. I they haven't had a losing
24:53
season since 93 and has a lot to do with management.
24:57
It has a lot to do with ownership.
24:59
Do you could you tell me why fans have their own thoughts
25:04
about managers now? They're not in the dugout.
25:06
They don't know how they manage you or they don't know how they
25:09
call a game. But for some reason, if they
25:11
don't like the manager or they don't like how he calls a game
25:14
or they don't like that he follows analytics.
25:17
Why is it that fans or even some players don't like the
25:22
analytically sound manager that is going in and is going to
25:27
reach out to the booth and and they're going to give you the
25:30
analytic answer to every single equation?
25:33
Yeah. You know, I think the fear of
25:35
when you hear like the analytics is that that they're kind of a
25:38
puppet, you know, from the player's standpoint, you know,
25:42
is, is the GM or who who's calling the shots, actually.
25:46
And I think there's a nostalgia or whatever you want to call it
25:51
of kind of that old school baseball, like you want the
25:54
manager to call the game, those kind of things.
25:57
But there's so much behind the scenes that you don't see what's
25:59
going on on, you know, when you're in between the lines is
26:02
what we'd call it. You see what happens there and
26:06
you don't know all the planning, all the, the, you know, these
26:10
guys like Rossi was a great example when we were in the
26:14
bullpen, we would have blocks of, hey, you know, if we get to
26:17
this block of hitters, you know, 345 and it's going to be the 6th
26:22
or 7th inning, you're going to pitch in this inning.
26:25
And and so like that planning and all that kind of stuff.
26:27
Those guys, man, they, they'd stay till 1/2 A 2:00 AM in the
26:31
morning and they'd be there at 9:00 or 10:00 in the morning the
26:34
next day. So like, you know, I think it's,
26:37
it's hard to ever as somebody who's played to ever like be
26:42
hard on a, on a manager, because I know how much goes into it.
26:46
Those guys don't want to suck. They don't want to go only win
26:49
60 games or everyone's trying to do their best.
26:53
But you know, I don't know why fans are.
26:55
I think it's just because, you know, you see what goes on on
26:58
the field. And then there's also
27:01
perception. I I think the world is
27:02
perception. Baseball's one of those is like,
27:05
how are you perceived? So managers are probably like,
27:08
you know, this is how I see this guy and this is, but that may
27:15
not be what's going on. So yeah, I don't know if that
27:18
answers the question, but that's kind of my thought.
27:20
No. And it's interesting to me
27:22
because as a fan, and if you don't realize, I'm a Yankee fan
27:27
and my perception of my team is, is, is not to attack the manager
27:33
or the GM is the tech, the players.
27:35
The players got to go out on the field and do their job.
27:37
And if they're not doing their job, the first person that's
27:39
going to be pointed to is the manager.
27:41
It just so happens even if you're not batting, you're not
27:44
hitting. Who's getting fired?
27:46
The hitting coach. That's what happens.
27:48
It might not be the hitting coaches problem or it's not his
27:51
fault, but if they're not hitting, they got to point their
27:53
finger at somebody. They can't point their finger at
27:55
the player that's got a five year, 200, $50 million contract.
27:59
So to me, that's the way I'm going to attack it.
28:02
And, and if I'm running an organization as AGM, that's the
28:06
only way I can attack it unless I'm going to trade that player
28:08
and who's going to want him if he's not hitting, You know what
28:11
I mean? Like Anthony Volpe.
28:13
Now when you see a guy like Anthony Volpe that sometimes
28:17
watching him, he got you kind of shake your head.
28:20
How does a Gold Glove winner 2 years ago throw the ball over
28:24
the first baseman? And how does a Gold Glove type
28:28
of player do the stupid things that he has done on the foot on
28:31
a on a baseball field? And you kind of wonder why he is
28:34
doing this. And maybe he's mentally confused
28:37
or maybe it's just mental. When they say baseball is, is,
28:41
is 50% mental? What is what is it?
28:44
What do they mean by that 50% mental?
28:47
Why are they mentally drawn? Why do they forget how to throw
28:50
the ball to first base or second base or third base or to the
28:54
catcher? Because Chuck Noblock had me
28:57
shaking my head every single time I watched him play for the
29:01
New York Yankees. This guy wins Gold Gloves over
29:04
there with the Twins. He comes to the Yankees and all
29:07
aboard. He throws.
29:08
He launches the ball out and where the fans are sitting.
29:12
I I mean that doesn't or throw to the dugout.
29:14
It made no sense to me. Now watchman's mom exactly or
29:18
and watching Anthony Volpe do that, he kind of gets me
29:20
wondering. Why did they say it's 50%
29:23
mental? Why is he confused how to throw
29:25
the ball to first base? Yeah, I think market matters.
29:29
Like that's a a big pressure market, right, Yankees, all eyes
29:34
on you all the time, no matter what.
29:37
You're, you know, you're talking about that, but you know,
29:40
there's such a small margin like I, I think I mentioned it
29:43
earlier between these guys and you know, if you can get it
29:48
here, you can succeed. If you lose it a little bit up
29:52
here, the hell breaks loose. But Dan, I don't get that.
29:55
How do you lose it? How do you lose it up there?
29:58
How does how do you go from a guy that wins?
30:02
It doesn't make sense. I don't get it.
30:04
How do you lose it all of a sudden just forgot, hey, you
30:06
know what? I can't throw to first base.
30:08
I lost it. I don't get it.
30:09
It's afraid to fail. You know, that one time you
30:12
failed. I think I always I'm a big book
30:15
guy, but there's a book about golfers.
30:21
You know, when Justin Thomas and Jordan speed and these guys are
30:24
coming up and they're fearless going for it and somebody looks
30:28
to to tiger and they're like just give them time.
30:31
They'll fail, you know, and and they're they'll experience that
30:34
fear. I think that's kind of what I
30:36
see when I watch both is kind of like he's got it there.
30:40
It's kind of like that fear of failure.
30:41
Oh, I've thrown it away. I've I've heard this before.
30:44
It's kind of like, well, I don't want to mess up again.
30:46
You know, I don't want to be that guy that lets the team down
30:49
and it's too much into his head and he thinks about it too much.
30:52
You know, I've, I've lived that my my last year with the Cubs, I
30:55
gave up twelve runs and only got one out in my last week with it
30:58
in the big leagues. And it was more of like, hey,
31:00
we're not in the hunt anymore. Like, how can I'm just worried
31:04
about not giving up runs, just trying to get to the kind of
31:07
limp into the offseason. And that's kind of what I see
31:09
with with Volpe is like instead of hey, I'm going to go get
31:12
this, it's more of like, oh man, I don't want to F up and.
31:15
And you got the fans booing in his ear and the fans, I have so
31:19
many fans that are that used to be Volpe fans.
31:22
This guy at one point some people thought was the future of
31:26
the New York Yankees with Aaron Judge.
31:28
And the there's got to be somebody that's going to, when
31:31
Judge retires, there's got to be somebody that's going to take
31:34
over for Aaron Judge. And everybody thought it was
31:35
Anthony Volpe. They loved him in in in in the
31:39
farm system in Trenton. And then he comes up and now the
31:42
fans are already already willing to part ways with the kid.
31:46
Oh, he's done. He give up on him.
31:48
He's 2324 years old because he had a bad season.
31:51
He couldn't throw to first base. He couldn't double play.
31:53
He can throw a double play. He couldn't hit.
31:56
He was batting 190 at some points of the season, even
31:59
though the average player in major in the major leagues right
32:01
now is batting 225. I mean, there's nothing that
32:05
tells me that you got to give up on this kid.
32:06
But every Yankee fan and every single person that I know and
32:10
I've spoken to says fall paste on get rid of him.
32:12
He's garbage. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say
32:15
that. I think, you know, the the and
32:17
I'm sure the Yankees don't feel that way either.
32:19
You know, I think patience in in in sports, you know, is, is a
32:23
good thing. You know, at a certain time, you
32:25
know, you get so many, you know, I think what it's kind of that.
32:28
What have you done for me lately?
32:30
Culture, right. But I don't know.
32:33
I mean, I don't know, won't be that that well, I I played with
32:37
a few guys that or on the Yankees.
32:39
I have to ask him, you know, what kind of you know, maybe
32:43
he's going to show up to spring training this this year with
32:46
like, you know, chip on the shoulder.
32:48
You know, that's what I'm saying.
32:49
Like the Yankees can, you know, if they they piss you off and
32:52
you're like, Hey, I'm going to prove all you guys wrong.
32:55
That's one thing. And that's it's kind of the
32:57
personality. Clay Holmes is a good friend.
32:59
He came in to New York. He was like, I'm going to prove
33:02
everybody right. You know, the, the Pirates did
33:04
me, did me wrong. Like the Yankees thought good of
33:07
me. And like, I'm going to, I'm
33:09
going to, I'm going to show people.
33:10
And so I think a personality when they come, especially in
33:13
New York, like you got to have that certain type of personality
33:17
to play in in that city. Very interesting.
33:22
I'm, I'm rooting for the kid. I, I want the Yankees to keep
33:26
the kid. I want them to hold on to the
33:28
kid. And I think he has the
33:30
opportunity to really succeed this year.
33:33
I just, I, I, I saw the, what do they call those bats?
33:36
They changed the bats torpedo the torpedo bats.
33:39
And, and he started hitting the beginning of the season and then
33:42
he couldn't hit a lick and he couldn't hit for average.
33:44
And Yankee fans were like, you could change a bat, but you
33:47
can't change a bat speed. And I, I just, I, I hate when
33:51
the Yankee fans just turn on players.
33:54
I watched, I watched the documentary on Alex Rodriguez
33:56
and we're going to talk about that next week where I just, I
34:00
gave my take on it. Watching that documentary, it
34:02
gives me an understanding of who Alex Rodriguez was.
34:05
He just wanted to please the, the, the fans more than he
34:08
wanted to please himself. And it really bothered me
34:11
because the, the Yankee fans didn't really give him an, an
34:15
opportunity to succeed as a Yankee player because they were
34:17
all about Derek Jeter. They were all about the other
34:19
guys and saying that Alex was not a real Yankee, which didn't
34:22
make any sense because he, and I don't think people understand
34:27
that Alex, when he was coming up on that contract, it wasn't him.
34:31
It was somebody else. And we know who it was that was
34:34
trying to renegotiate a deal for, for more money.
34:37
And Alex was the guy that was kind of questioning this is not
34:41
the proper time during the World Series to spin the wheel and
34:45
make the deal in and, and drop this during the World Series.
34:48
And it was just, to me, I, I think it was other people that
34:51
really hurt Alex because Alex just didn't know how to speak
34:56
for himself. And the fans got in the way of
34:58
that too, because the fans just didn't like him because, oh, he
35:02
cheated or he did steroids. So did everybody else.
35:05
And that goes to my final question with you.
35:07
This is a good question. You're a former player.
35:10
You understand the game, Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, Rodger
35:18
Clemens, and there are guys right now in the Hall of Fame
35:22
that did steroids. I don't care what anybody says,
35:24
they were they were doing steroids too.
35:27
Do you believe that these guys being caught being prosecuted by
35:34
the writers? Do you believe as a player in
35:38
the new age of baseball, do you believe they should be in the
35:40
Hall of Fame? Yes or no?
35:44
I I do, I, I do think they should be.
35:48
You know, I think Barry Bonds is a great example.
35:51
Have you ever, have you looked at his numbers like his numbers
35:56
are the stupidest thing that like they're so ridiculous.
36:01
You know, his slugging percentage a few years were, was
36:05
a good OPS, like an elite OPS. He had like 900 slug steroids
36:10
didn't do that for him. You know, I think a lot of
36:13
people will say the same thing, like a lot of people were doing
36:16
it then it wasn't technically banned.
36:18
You know, it was, but they weren't weren't testing for it.
36:25
So yes, I do believe that they should be an Alex Rodriguez.
36:28
Like the guy's a baller. I mean, he's legit.
36:32
Yeah. Look at these stats off some of
36:36
these he was intentionally walked like 5 * 1 year with base
36:39
loaded or something ridiculous like that.
36:41
It's ridiculous numbers. He's ridiculous.
36:43
And and by the way, you might not like Barry Bonds and I know
36:46
the writers hated him, just like Albert Bell.
36:49
Albert Bell, If you go and look at Albert Bells numbers for a 7
36:53
year span, I, I, there's very few people that can be compared
36:58
to Albert Bell. That man should be in the Hall
37:00
of Fame. Don Mattingly should be in the
37:01
Hall of Fame. Keith Hernandez should be in the
37:04
Hall of Fame. And those guys I just mentioned
37:07
didn't. We're not accused for steroids,
37:09
but Mike Piazza, even though he was never accused and there were
37:14
a lot of people that questioned Jeff Bagwell, another guy with
37:17
big forearms, just completely shrunk after his career.
37:21
He's in the Hall of Fame. I mean, I could go on and on and
37:25
on of guys that are in the Hall of Fame right now that shouldn't
37:28
be there and because they were not finger pointed because I
37:32
don't know. But Seeley didn't like Alex
37:34
Rodriguez, was not too fond of him as a player.
37:37
He would never allow him to go to the Hall of Fame.
37:39
I think it's just a joke. And I think obviously the
37:42
commissioners, you know, baseball and I'm not going to
37:45
say anything because I say enough on this show, but I I
37:48
tell the truth. I think the fact here is when
37:51
you watch baseball and if you love the game of baseball, you
37:54
have to understand greatness and greatness.
37:57
I don't think we'll ever see an Alex Rodriguez again.
37:59
I don't think we'll ever see a Barry Bonds again.
38:02
I don't think we'll ever see Roger Clemens again.
38:04
So how are they not in the Hall of Fame?
38:07
It makes no sense. You need Andy Pettitte did human
38:11
growth hormones to stay on the field, and he will never be
38:14
inducted into the Hall of Fame. He's one of the greatest playoff
38:16
pitchers we've ever seen. OK, It's pathetic.
38:19
And I just think baseball, Bud Selig allowed it, and he's in
38:23
the Hall of Fame. Why aren't these guys in the
38:25
Hall of Fame? And he allowed it, and he knew
38:27
what was going on. So that's just my opinion.
38:30
But touché, Mr. Winkler, we love you, man.
38:33
Let's get you on the show again. I'll have Nathan reach out to
38:37
you. I'll have Speedy reach out to
38:39
you. But you gave us some some great
38:41
takes. And if you ever decide to come
38:43
back to the major leagues, make sure that we're the first show
38:46
that you interview with because you know, we got the
38:49
personalities like Droba, as we always say.
38:53
Droba Ass Liquor. He is.
38:55
The Ass Liquor is not on the show tonight, but one of these
38:58
days when you come on next, you'll get to have a
39:01
conversation with Mr. Ass Liquor himself.
39:03
But we love you. Keep up the good work and Merry
39:06
Christmas. Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa.
39:08
Whatever you celebrate, say hello to the family and we'll
39:11
talk to you soon, buddy. Merry Christmas, Dan.
39:13
We'll do. Appreciate y'all, thanks for
39:14
having me. On Daniel Winkler, ladies and
39:17
gentlemen, his take to the Hall of Fame, steroids and steroids
39:22
players should be in the Hall of Fame.
39:23
I absolutely agree with them. Interesting take to it.
39:27
And this is a guy that was in the he's been in the game over
39:31
the last five to 10 years. So he's a player that is been
39:35
around it and understands it and has seen the situation for what
39:39
it is. And why is David Ortiz in the
39:42
Hall of Fame when he was on the Mitchell list?
39:44
Why is he in the Hall of Fame? Because he was loved.
39:47
He was beloved. Come on, guys, let let's be
39:50
honest here. It just doesn't make any sense
39:52
whatsoever. How, how baseball and how these
39:56
writers make a choice or make a decision.
39:58
Well, you know, I like him. And you heard we've had Hulk on
40:02
the show and Hulk is going to be voting now.
40:04
And he already said he will put Barry Bonds, Rodger Clemens,
40:07
Alex Rodriguez all in the Hall of Fame.
40:09
Alex Rodriguez is the top three player of all time.
40:12
Of all time. And I loved Alex Rodriguez, I
40:17
don't care what the fan said about him.
40:19
I met Alex. Alex was very gracious.
40:21
He had a great personality and he understands the game.
40:24
He loves the game. He was.
40:26
And Derek Jeter on that and I, we will talk more about this
40:29
next week, but Derek Jeter said on that documentary, who was on
40:33
that documentary? Very surprised Derek Jeter
40:35
agreed to be on that documentary.
40:37
Derek Jeter was there practically every episode and
40:40
spoke very highly of Alex Rodriguez.
40:44
There were some things that he said before and after the
40:47
situation, the arguments and, and, and why they at one point
40:52
we're not talking to each other. But Derek Jeter said one very
40:55
interesting thing about Alex Rodriguez that I think fans need
40:58
to understand. Alex was never a beloved player
41:04
because in in New York, in the New York Yankees fans minds, he
41:09
wasn't a Yankee. But he said what Alex Rodriguez
41:12
did in the time that he was at the top of his game.
41:17
I don't think you'll ever see a Yankee do that again.
41:20
So, and that's from Derek Jeter, a person that had his UPS and
41:24
his downs with a rod and, and, and now I guess are still
41:27
friends with each other and they work on a fox with each other.
41:31
And I think Alex Rodriguez is the best analyst in the in the
41:35
game right now as far as going breaking down baseball and
41:39
understanding the game of baseball.
41:41
He's the guy I want to listen to on that panel.
41:43
I don't want to hear David Ortizio.
41:44
I I sometimes don't understand what he's saying.
41:46
And I don't want to hear Derek Jeter because as good as Derek
41:48
Jeter was as a player, he never explained himself like a player
41:54
would try to explain a a specific statistic or a play on
42:00
the field. Alex Rodriguez gives you the
42:02
exes in the OS and he understands the game a little
42:04
bit better. I think he'd be a great manager.
42:06
I think he'd be a great owner. He's an owner right now with the
42:08
Timberwolves and I think Alex Rodriguez deserves a little bit
42:12
more credit then Yankee fans really give them.
42:15
And that's why I wrote that story.
42:16
Go check it out on the Worldwide Sports Radio Network.
42:18
And I checked out Alex versus a rod.
42:22
It's kind of sad the way Alex Rodriguez was portrayed by fans.
42:27
And I feel bad that the way Alex Rodriguez felt about himself
42:32
from all his trials and tribulations and all the
42:34
problems he's had with his family and, you know, his father
42:38
leaving him and just feeling uncomfortable being in his shoes
42:42
as a player, I felt bad for him. It really is.
42:45
I heard, you know, I'm sure Jabba, who knows Alex a little
42:48
bit better than we do, has his own take to it.
42:51
And I'm going to, I'm interested to hear what Jabba is going to
42:53
say when we do speak about this because he was there when Alex
42:58
Rodriguez had that run in 2009. He was a part of that team.
43:02
And he saw the greatness of Alex Rodriguez when he came back and
43:05
he dominated. And remember, the Yankees at
43:07
that time, they were one of the worst teams in the American
43:11
League when Alex Rodriguez came back from that hip surgery.
43:13
And if it wasn't for Alex Rodriguez making that run, he
43:16
was. The Yankees won 70% of their
43:19
games when Alex Rodriguez came back that year in 2009.
43:22
Just think about it, 70% when a rod came back.
43:26
So it's it's a pretty, pretty amazing statistic when you're
43:30
you're comparing greatness to a player and what one player in
43:34
baseball could do to a team as we see what's going on with
43:37
Aaron Judge. By the way, thank you to all the
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fans tuning in and listening to us.
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Thank you to our very special guest, Daniel Winkler for
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joining us. It was a sensational interview,
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gave us his take with steroids and all that other stuff.
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If you missed it, go to spotifying Apple, go check out
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the video, go check out the audio.
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We're in the top 200, a Jabba in the mouth.
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It's, it's been a crazy, crazy year.
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We got one more show before the new year.
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Next week it'll be another 5 hour show.
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How fun. Don't.
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I love these but no job at tonight.
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Shout out to the Jabba. Shout out to the Chamberlain
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family. Hopefully they had a fun time in
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their family get together. And yeah, who do we have on next
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week? Nothing yet for the Monday we
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actually on the following week though on January 5th do have at
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9:00 Bobby Valentine will be joining us that'll.
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Be fun. Bobby V That's awesome.
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Yeah. Bobby V Mr. V as a V for
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Vendetta, because I'm sure he has a vendetta for the New York
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Mets, I'm sure. Good movie.
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Yes, I actually like that movie too.
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All right, that's it. Goodnight.
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Thank God. Farewell.
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