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CHEER MOM MAKES NAKED DEEP FAKES OF TEEN CHEER RIVALS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Cheerleaders naked vaping on video? Really? Actually, no, not really?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a deep fake? Wait till
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Speaker 1: you hear this. What does naked cheerleader vaping, deep fake
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Speaker 1: and cheer mom have in common? Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: We know cheerleading is a competitive sport, but here in
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Speaker 1: Bucks County, one mom is accused of targeting her daughter's teammates.
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Speaker 1: Authorities say, creating fake photos and videos and sending them
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Speaker 1: to the coaches. Her attorneys and says she's not guilty.
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Speaker 1: But now, men, you are wondering how a mom could
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Speaker 1: stoop so low? Man, you're not kidding. Stoop loo that's
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Speaker 1: one thing, a crime, that's a whole another animal, being
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Speaker 1: a bad person? Are stooping so low? According to the
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Speaker 1: church lady? That's bad enough. But breaking a law, that's
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Speaker 1: when I get involved. You were just hearing our friend
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Speaker 1: Lauren Dugan at Fox twenty nine with me, what a
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Speaker 1: panel to try to make sense of this? Ken Belkin
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Speaker 1: with me, renowned criminal defense attorney joining us? What's your jurisdiction?
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Speaker 1: Ken Belkan? Where are you right now? I'm in New York,
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Speaker 1: but I'm fully versed on this Pennsylvania blow Well, I
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Speaker 1: hope you're not eating in a restaurant, and I hope
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Speaker 1: you're wearing a mask and staying at least six feet
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Speaker 1: away from everybody. Doctor jen Man, family therapist, hopes of
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Speaker 1: couples therapy h one to the Doctor Jen Show on
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Speaker 1: series Sex sim author a to ze guy to raising
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Speaker 1: happy confident kids. Man, this mom could use you. Doctor
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Speaker 1: gen Man, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, startup a brand new hit
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Speaker 1: on the True crime network, Poisonous Liaisons. This guy knows
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Speaker 1: his forensics. Joseph Scott Morgan, special guest joining us for
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Speaker 1: the first time, former Pennsylvania State Trooper, first class computer
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Speaker 1: Crimes Investigations US veteran. That's what impressed me the most
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Speaker 1: out of this of Operation Desert Storm patctech dot com,
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Speaker 1: Glenn Bard is with us, a forensics expert when it
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Speaker 1: comes to all things a digital. I'm gonna let him in.
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Speaker 1: Jo Scott Morgan duke it out, but first to Levi Page,
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter and host of Crime
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Speaker 1: and Scandal true crime podcast Levi Page, this is almost unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was a cheerleader. Little known fact and
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Speaker 1: the way that happened is I think our school, very
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Speaker 1: small school, had fifteen girls basketball uniforms. Well, sixteen people
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Speaker 1: tried out. Guess who got cut the shortest one? That
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Speaker 1: would be me. So what was I supposed to do?
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Speaker 1: There was nothing else for girls except basketball. Well that
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Speaker 1: started my cheerleading career. To imagine your mother pulling a
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Speaker 1: stunt like this, pardon the pun. I actually had a
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Speaker 1: dream last night. I very rarely remember my dreams. The
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Speaker 1: most my mom did beside come to games to watch
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Speaker 1: me each year or watch the game. We had to
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Speaker 1: go door to door selling plastic cups with a smiley
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Speaker 1: face on them, and to show how strong they were
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Speaker 1: jack you would have to turn on what side down
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Speaker 1: to stand on them, and they did not break. I
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Speaker 1: think I still have one. Actually, that's about as involved
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Speaker 1: as she got dragging me door to door. Tried to
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Speaker 1: raise money for uniforms. But this is way way beyond
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Speaker 1: the pay what is alleged Levi Well, Nancy, this all
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Speaker 1: started when three members of this cheer team. There were
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Speaker 1: photos and videos that were sent to all members of
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Speaker 1: the team, the parents, and it depicted these teenagers minor
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Speaker 1: girls in stages of undress, vaping, smoking and drinking. And
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Speaker 1: that is when an investigation was underway as to where
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Speaker 1: did these videos come from? And you know the thing,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Leavin. The thing is when these videos of
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Speaker 1: the girls naked vaping were sent, the other cheer mom's
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Speaker 1: got it, and I think the counselors got it. Hold
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Speaker 1: hold on, leave, I'm gonna come right back to you.
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Speaker 1: But he just gave me a thought. Doctor jen Man.
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Speaker 1: You can find her on the Doctor Jen Show series
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Speaker 1: XM Jen. I remember our cheerleading Um, I guess you
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Speaker 1: would say. Counselor was miss Norman? And I ran into
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Speaker 1: Miss Norman recently. This is, you know, twenty plus years
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Speaker 1: after and she said, yes, Nancy, you were wild, wild, wild,
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Speaker 1: And I thought, wow, I never drank or smoke. How
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Speaker 1: was I wild? She said, because you remember didn't like
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Speaker 1: something around your neck, which is treated this day like turtlenecks.
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Speaker 1: And you would always unbuttoned the top button on your
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Speaker 1: shirt on your cheerleading uniform. And I had to reprimand
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Speaker 1: you every game because then you turn around and you're
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Speaker 1: not button it again. And that was the Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: that was that was the big crime. And can you
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Speaker 1: imagine a naked video of one of the girls. I
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Speaker 1: can still remember when I had a little split in
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Speaker 1: my bloomers and you could see my like that much
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Speaker 1: of my underwear on the back during PEP rally. Of course,
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Speaker 1: nobody told me till the PEP rally was over. Then
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Speaker 1: everybody told me. So you can see that much of
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Speaker 1: why underweight back, and I never lived it down to
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Speaker 1: this day. Can you imagine one of these girls getting
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Speaker 1: naked videos and then trying to explain to everybody, Oh,
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Speaker 1: it's not real, it's a deep fake. Oh it's mortifying.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely mortifying, and obviously it's it's illegal, but it's
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Speaker 1: just really A mother who would go to this extreme
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Speaker 1: is clearly deeply pathological. That's one way to put it.
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Speaker 1: Deeply pathological. Of course I went and got my JD,
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Speaker 1: not my psychology degree. Like you, what do you mean
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Speaker 1: by pathological? What exactly you know? Youse shrinks throw that
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Speaker 1: around all the time. What do you mean by pathological?
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Speaker 1: Let's say, if we can stomp doctor jan I think
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Speaker 1: she's googling it right now? Are you googling pathological? I'm
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Speaker 1: not as far as I'm tapping I've come prepared. I
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Speaker 1: promise you. I got a few degrees. I had to
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Speaker 1: study this stuff. But basically it means that they are
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Speaker 1: sick emotionally cognitively, that there's something very wrong with the
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Speaker 1: way that they think to him extead that they are
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Speaker 1: really unwell. And this is someone who clearly has no
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Speaker 1: idea of right and wrong when it comes to morality,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to parenting. I mean even just the
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Speaker 1: concept that she's creating something that is so harmful and
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Speaker 1: humiliating to children in order for her daughter to win
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Speaker 1: is that's crazy stuff. That's really crazy stuff when you
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Speaker 1: hear the details of this case. Guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Sarah Blownquist at six ABC. A Bucks Counting woman
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Speaker 1: is under arrest after police say she sent fake pictures
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Speaker 1: of her teenage daughter's cheerleading rivals and compromising situations to
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Speaker 1: their coaches. Investigators say she was trying to get the
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Speaker 1: girls kicked off the team, the Victory Vipers and Chalfond.
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Speaker 1: Fifty year old Raphaeli spoe And is accused of manipulating
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Speaker 1: photos from the social media accounts of three girls to
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Speaker 1: make it look like they were drinking and smoking, and
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Speaker 1: even digitally altering them to make the girls appear that
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Speaker 1: they were unclothed. A suspect is alleged to have taken
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Speaker 1: a real picture and edited it through some photo shopping
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Speaker 1: app to make it look like this teenage girl had
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Speaker 1: no clothes on to appear new when in reality that
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Speaker 1: picture was a stream grab from the teenager's social media
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Speaker 1: in which she had a bathing suit on. Investigators say
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Speaker 1: Spone also sent messages with those faked pictures to the victims,
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Speaker 1: suggesting they kill themselves. Spone is charged with cyber harassment
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Speaker 1: of a child and harassment telling a teen girl she
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Speaker 1: should kill herself. I mean, my little girl just turned thirteen,
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Speaker 1: and the pressure on little girls to look a certain way,
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Speaker 1: be a certain way, a certain way is it's a crime.
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Speaker 1: And then you send a little girl, these are girls
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Speaker 1: a message that they should kill themselves. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Glenn Bard, former Pennsylvania State trooper, first class
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Speaker 1: computer crime investigations veteran patctech dot com. You know, Glenn,
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Speaker 1: when I first learned about this story, and again, it's
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Speaker 1: not a story. I'm using that in the loose sense
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Speaker 1: of the word. This isn't I made up fable. This
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Speaker 1: is real, with little girls getting videos of themselves naked vaping. Glenn.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, how, because you can see a little
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Speaker 1: clip of it without it being you know, profane, I
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Speaker 1: guess a naked child, you can generally see what the
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Speaker 1: clip is. And I thought, how, if this is true,
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Speaker 1: how does she do it? And then I thought of
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Speaker 1: something my son does all the time. He while I'm working,
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Speaker 1: will come up to me and take a picture. She
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Speaker 1: does it to his dad too, and then he will
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Speaker 1: send me the Patrick seth. I'll be wearing like a
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Speaker 1: rasta hat with a long beard and dreads, and then
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Speaker 1: the next one my head will be attached to a mushroom.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it can be all kind of things. And
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Speaker 1: he can do that in one click. So maybe it's
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Speaker 1: not as difficult as it sounds. So how if she
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Speaker 1: did it? Did this woman? Raphael Ella spone fifty old
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Speaker 1: enough to know better? How did she do it? Well?
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Speaker 1: How this works? This is kind of like the new
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Speaker 1: virgin of photoshop. Now we usually just take a photo
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Speaker 1: and kind of part out and put into one in
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Speaker 1: now that actually I've never done that, so we didn't
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Speaker 1: photoshop anything. But I understand how it was done. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I know about the Kardashians. I know that much. It's
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Speaker 1: all I need to know. Go ahead, Well, certain people
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Speaker 1: would do that. And what this does is using basically
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. These applications are able to take a still
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Speaker 1: frame an image from social media and not only put
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Speaker 1: it into a picture, but also now put it into video.
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Speaker 1: And because it's using this artificial intelligence, it's much more
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Speaker 1: exact and much more precise. So you're not going to
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Speaker 1: see like edges like we would in photoshop. You're not
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Speaker 1: going to be able to see the differences in coloration.
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Speaker 1: This is able to use the artificial intelligence, look at
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Speaker 1: the pixels and even make that image move along with
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Speaker 1: the video. So it's very, very good, and it's because
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Speaker 1: technology getting better. It's allowing for more than to take place,
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Speaker 1: and it can be done on phones or on computer systems.
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Speaker 1: And the hard part about it is because it is
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Speaker 1: so good, it's very difficult to detect that it is
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Speaker 1: one of these deep fakes. When it was photoshop is
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Speaker 1: very easy because you could just see that it was
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Speaker 1: clearly not the real original person. But because of this
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence makes it's so good, it's almost impossible, especially
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Speaker 1: to the human eye, the detect that it is into
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Speaker 1: the original person. Well, I've looked at what video has
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Speaker 1: been released, and I don't want to click on the
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Speaker 1: wrong thing because I don't want to click on video
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Speaker 1: of this little girl purportedly naked vaping. But I want
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Speaker 1: to see how they did it. I hear what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: But they did not teach a computer tech or IT
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Speaker 1: tech in law school. I guess they should when it
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Speaker 1: comes to criminal procedure. Actually, that's a really good idea
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Speaker 1: note to self. But Joe Scott Morgan forensics expert, also
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Speaker 1: what is the difference in and break it down for me,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott in a deep fake and photoshopping. I know
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Speaker 1: Glenn Bard said it, but I think I need I
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Speaker 1: need a reto. What. Yeah, as Glenn was saying, it's
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Speaker 1: really hard to you know, in the days of this
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Speaker 1: kind of photoshopping that was going on years and years ago,
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Speaker 1: and I guess to a certain extent today you can
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Speaker 1: actually appreciate that there's something that's not quite right with it.
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Speaker 1: But you know, when you watch a lot of these
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Speaker 1: deep faiths that are on air and you know online now,
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Speaker 1: they're absolutely terrifying because they do have very clean edges,
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Speaker 1: and so when you're watching this, even the facial expressions,
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Speaker 1: eye movement, all of this sort of thing and reaction
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Speaker 1: to what is being said and done is terrifying. And Ansie,
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Speaker 1: one more thing I want to add about this. I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm really thinking. You know, we were talking about how
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Speaker 1: they had manipulated these she had manipulated these images of
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Speaker 1: these young girls. Let's repeat that again, young girls. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think that in certain jurisdictions, certain courts have held
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Speaker 1: that even some kind of manipulated image of a young
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Speaker 1: child can bring about charges of child pornography. And I'm
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Speaker 1: really wondering that the DA has not toyed with this
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Speaker 1: idea as well. Well, they have the guts to call
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Speaker 1: it what it is, manipulation into child porn. You know
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Speaker 1: a lot of people have not even heard the words
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Speaker 1: deep fake put together in one phrase until just recently.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our cut fourteen. This is our friend
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Speaker 1: Carson Daly on the Today Show Take a List, and
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Speaker 1: it involves Tom Cruise. Is it Tom Cruise? Is it
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Speaker 1: not Tom Cruise. This week, it seemed like the actor
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Speaker 1: had joined TikTok as we thought, but it all turned
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Speaker 1: out to be a series of elaborate deep fake videos.
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Speaker 1: We're special effects take a person's likeness and apply to
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Speaker 1: somebody else. The Cruise ones from this week are being
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Speaker 1: called some of the best and most unsettling examples of
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Speaker 1: deep fakes. Yet these Tom Cruise tiktoks they reviewed eleven
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Speaker 1: million times before being made private. Fortune dot Com seems
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Speaker 1: to have discovered the guy behind them. Visual effects artist
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Speaker 1: Chris Yume has done some of these impressive deep fake
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Speaker 1: videos before, including one of Tom Cruise of an impersonator
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Speaker 1: in Miles Sure that was posted in January. That one
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Speaker 1: looking even more polished, while behind the scenes video from
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Speaker 1: Hume shows how the impersonator has turned into Cruise using
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Speaker 1: digital effects. Some people are saying that technology could have
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Speaker 1: eventually some serious implication for what's real and what's not. Well,
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Speaker 1: someone should have told that to Rafaela Spone, age fifty,
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Speaker 1: now standing accused and multiple crimes after she allegedly goes
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Speaker 1: after her daughter's cheerleading rivals by creating deep thanks of them, naked, vaping, smoking,
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Speaker 1: all of that being against cheer policy. Of course, Let's
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut thirteen still on Tom
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Speaker 1: Cruise with up tiptok. You guys cool if I play
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Speaker 1: some sports, I love. It worked for the audio experience
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Speaker 1: as much as the momentum. It was sent up sports
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Speaker 1: and TikTok fans. If you like what you're saying, sweet tild,
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Speaker 1: what's coming next? Kind of a maniacal laugh, and only
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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise can't emit. I've got to confess. I watched
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Speaker 1: all the deep fail you did too, all the deep
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Speaker 1: fakes of Tom Cruise, and I thought it was Tom Cruise.
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Speaker 1: Never met him in real life, but it looked like
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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. So, Ken Belkin, criminal defense attorney practicing out
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Speaker 1: of New York right now. But he's in federal court,
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Speaker 1: which can be all over the country. Ken Belkin, you're
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Speaker 1: no stranger to the courtroom. This mother is looking at
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Speaker 1: some very serious penalties. Well they haven't hit her with
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Speaker 1: the worst of it, really, but she is facing, you know,
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Speaker 1: up to a year in jail and twenty five fine.
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Speaker 1: As one of your other gets pointed out, there should
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Speaker 1: be the potential possibility for child pornography charges and those
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Speaker 1: could you know, be federal and those would come with
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Speaker 1: extremely stiff penalties, multi year sentences, multi year sentences. But
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Speaker 1: if this is re examined as I think it should
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Speaker 1: be by the local prosecutor. With each deep fake on
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Speaker 1: the three girls, that's an additional misdemeanor as a charge
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Speaker 1: to stand right now. If there are other charges for
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Speaker 1: each individual victim, or each time, as in child porn,
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Speaker 1: you disseminate it or send it, think about it to
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Speaker 1: all the other girls on the squad, to all the chaperons,
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Speaker 1: the counselors, to the parents. Each one of that dissemination
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Speaker 1: is a crime if those are run consecutively. She's looking
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Speaker 1: at it a long time behind bars, and guess what
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Speaker 1: that is not bothering me at all. It will be
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Speaker 1: a cold day in Huble. Well that a mom does
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Speaker 1: this to one of my children and doesn't go to
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Speaker 1: jail warning. It supplies to you he's jumping in. It
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Speaker 1: was that well, Ken, I was gonna say, But to
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Speaker 1: be fair, it's not like she actually made a video.
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Speaker 1: This was an artificial intelligence created. How can you even
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Speaker 1: say that she made the video. But it's not like
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Speaker 1: she actually filmed these these girls and put them in
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Speaker 1: that situation, which you know was that much much worse.
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Speaker 1: The law is going to have to at some point
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Speaker 1: come to terms. Okay, so let me under, Jim Belken,
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Speaker 1: you're saying she should get a gold star for not
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Speaker 1: actually stripping the girls and giving them ze pipes. Okay, now,
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Speaker 1: I say, you know, you know mother of the Year,
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Speaker 1: and she's at where do you get a law school?
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Speaker 1: You've used that one on me before, then, have I darn?
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Speaker 1: I obviously didn't work crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: so we're talking about a fifty year old mother translation
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Speaker 1: old enough to know better. Her name Rafaeella Spone. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Stephanie gosque NBC News Today
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Speaker 1: authority Stay Behind It All was RAPHAELA Spone, whose own
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Speaker 1: daughter is a teammate of Himes on the Victory Viper's
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Speaker 1: cheer squad. Spone is now charged with three counts each
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Speaker 1: of cyber harassment of a child and harassment by client.
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Speaker 1: Nice what they have charged her with, and we are
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Speaker 1: going to aggressively fight this. In a statement, the Victory
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Speaker 1: Vipers said in part, their group has always promoted a
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Speaker 1: family environment and we are sorry for all individuals involved.
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Speaker 1: And more from Stephanie Goskett NBCR Cut one, it's a
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Speaker 1: troubling new take on cyber bullying. A mom in Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: is accused this morning of using so called deep fakes
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Speaker 1: to anonymously harass members of her daughter's cheerleading team. I
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Speaker 1: think it was just so much like in shop, with
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Speaker 1: everything going on, I couldn't really comprehend like what was
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Speaker 1: going on, Maddie Himes says, after getting several threatening calls
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Speaker 1: and texts from unknown numbers, some even saying she should
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Speaker 1: take her own life. Her cheer coaches told Maddie they
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Speaker 1: received this video that supposedly showed her vaping. She and
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Speaker 1: her mom shared it with us. They say it's fake.
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Speaker 1: I feel like if I said just allow like no one,
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Speaker 1: no one would trust me. They have the video on
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Speaker 1: proof even though the video wasn't real. Man, I know
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Speaker 1: how that feels because my children are at the age
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Speaker 1: or they can go online and read things that are
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Speaker 1: written about mommy, and I try to tell them be
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Speaker 1: careful of what you read and try to understand and
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Speaker 1: decipher if it's true or not. And this teen girl
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Speaker 1: is put in the position of seeing a video of
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Speaker 1: herself naked vyeing and feeling like no one would believe
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Speaker 1: she was telling the truth. Take a listen to Eva
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Speaker 1: pilgrim at GMA. Mattie him was sixteen years old when
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Speaker 1: one of her coaches pulled her aside over this video
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Speaker 1: appearing to show her vaping, a violation of squad rules.
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Speaker 1: I went in the car and started crying and was like,
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Speaker 1: that's not me on video, Mattie eventually telling her mother
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Speaker 1: someone had been sending her manipulated photos of herself along
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Speaker 1: with these text messages identifying themselves as a concerned parent.
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Speaker 1: When she texted back who is this, she received a
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Speaker 1: generic response from a texting app that lets you choose
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Speaker 1: your own phone number. It had actually been going on
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Speaker 1: for quite a while. I just didn't know about it.
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Speaker 1: I told her I'm going to call the police because
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Speaker 1: I wanted her to know. That's how much I believed her.
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Speaker 1: When you use that app for fake phone numbers, and
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Speaker 1: I've actually advised people to use them when they're online dating,
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Speaker 1: so until you know the person you're going to meet.
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Speaker 1: They're so easy to use. You can use it with
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Speaker 1: your regular phone, but it emits a different cell number,
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Speaker 1: So until you know the person's on the up and
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Speaker 1: up that you're going to meet, use that fake phone
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Speaker 1: number app. Now, She RAFAELA Stone deny she had anything
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Speaker 1: to do with this, but take a listen again to
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Speaker 1: Eva Pilgrim. GMA police say they traced the calls back
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Speaker 1: to Aella's home and found evidence on her phone linking
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Speaker 1: her to the messages. There was a lot of masking,
22:32
Speaker 1: a lot of spoofing, a lot of cloaking going on,
22:36
Speaker 1: and this is something, unfortunately, we're seeing all too frequently
22:40
Speaker 1: now with technological advances, so called deep fakes are becoming
22:44
Speaker 1: more and more common. Let me go back to our
22:48
Speaker 1: forensic sex verse. Glenn bar joining me, former Pennsylvania's State
22:52
Speaker 1: Trooper Computer Crimes Investigations, A US veteran, now he runs
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Speaker 1: pat C pat see Tech Digital Forensics patsytech dot com. Glanbart,
23:06
Speaker 1: I just heard masking, spoofing, cloaking. When I hear cloaking,
23:13
Speaker 1: I guess you're familiar with Captain's Mister Spock and Captain
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Speaker 1: Kirk and a cloaking device, or if not, maybe seeing
23:23
Speaker 1: the cloak of invisibility with Harry Potter. That's all I
23:28
Speaker 1: can think of. So what do they mean as it
23:30
Speaker 1: relates to this case? Technically, Well, what they're doing with
23:35
Speaker 1: this is they are using a phone number. It doesn't
23:37
Speaker 1: come back to les A ATMT Rise and Sprint and
23:40
Speaker 1: T Mobile. When you get phone numbers or three types,
23:43
Speaker 1: a mobile network operator, a mobile virtual network operator, and
23:47
Speaker 1: one of these from an application, which is essentially just
23:49
Speaker 1: a void voice over Internet protocol phone number. And the
23:53
Speaker 1: thing about it, people think that these applications just magically
23:57
Speaker 1: make a number up, and they can't because they would
24:00
Speaker 1: do that. They may actually make up yours or somebody
24:02
Speaker 1: else's all the numbers have been accounted for it. But
24:05
Speaker 1: what these applications do is a purchase a number that
24:09
Speaker 1: isn't being used from a wholesaler. There's one main one
24:12
Speaker 1: that everybody deals with. They purchase these numbers and they
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Speaker 1: assign it to that user in that application. And the
24:19
Speaker 1: cloaking it's going is basically it's making it so the
24:22
Speaker 1: number doesn't come back to you individually through a cell
24:26
Speaker 1: phone company. And also, because most of us have our
24:29
Speaker 1: phone numbers out there through other means, it's pretty easy
24:32
Speaker 1: to find their numbers by searching it and so on.
24:35
Speaker 1: This new number that doesn't come back to one of
24:37
Speaker 1: the providers can kind of be a hidden number that
24:40
Speaker 1: allows them to use it more free of being identified.
24:43
Speaker 1: That's the cloaking taking place. Okay, I managed to keep
24:46
Speaker 1: up with you on that one, you know to Justice
24:49
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University after place
24:53
Speaker 1: Trice to call and found out that she was as
24:58
Speaker 1: Glenn barn has just told us cloaking or true number.
25:02
Speaker 1: With this cloaking app they search for phone. How what
25:08
Speaker 1: does that mean? If you could explain to people that
25:10
Speaker 1: haven't had to do it as we have, when you
25:13
Speaker 1: execute a search warrant which has been approved by a
25:16
Speaker 1: judge or a magistrate to search a phone, what does
25:20
Speaker 1: that mean and how do you do it? Yeah, well,
25:24
Speaker 1: this is the key, Nancy. First off, with electronic forensics,
25:28
Speaker 1: you have to be very careful. I teach my students
25:30
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State when we're going through some of these
25:34
Speaker 1: procedures that you use at crime scenes. Imagine that any
25:38
Speaker 1: kind of electronic device is essentially like you're dealing with
25:41
Speaker 1: a landmine. You don't want to touch anything. You want
25:43
Speaker 1: to be very careful once you've identified this thing, because
25:46
Speaker 1: in the field, when we collect these items, we have
25:49
Speaker 1: to get these things back to a certified technician, forensic
25:52
Speaker 1: technician that can actually kind of you know, kind of
25:56
Speaker 1: take this thing apart and look at it very carefully,
25:59
Speaker 1: because if you don't, you will you run the risk
26:03
Speaker 1: of potentially ruining everything that's contained therein in that particular device.
26:08
Speaker 1: And so these computers, phones, they have a specific identifier
26:13
Speaker 1: in them that has linkage back to the person that's
26:16
Speaker 1: being accused of the crime, and that is a specific
26:19
Speaker 1: identifier that ultimately goes back to framing who this person
26:25
Speaker 1: was that was starting the crime to begin with. And
26:28
Speaker 1: make no mistake, Nancy, there's are serious charges and this
26:31
Speaker 1: is a crime that she's involved in, and that phone
26:34
Speaker 1: is going to link her back to all of this. Okay,
26:38
Speaker 1: just thinking about what she allegedly did and the impact
26:43
Speaker 1: that it is having. Mac to Levi Page Crime Online
26:46
Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter and host of Crime and Scandal
26:50
Speaker 1: to Crime podcast. What do we know about the rivalry
26:55
Speaker 1: that seemingly existed between Raphaela Stone age fifties and the
27:01
Speaker 1: other girls? Why would she have resorted to this? What
27:04
Speaker 1: did she hope to achieve? Well, Nancy, one of the
27:08
Speaker 1: fathers of one of the girls that was targeted said
27:11
Speaker 1: that a lot of the parents were concerned about the
27:15
Speaker 1: behavior from Raffael Spone's daughter. They didn't approve of it.
27:18
Speaker 1: They didn't go into specifics, but they wanted their daughters
27:22
Speaker 1: to distance themselves from her because they didn't want her
27:24
Speaker 1: to pick up whatever she was doing and be around that.
27:28
Speaker 1: And that is what made this mother do this. That
27:32
Speaker 1: was the motive. Talk about high school mean girls, and
27:36
Speaker 1: now it hasn't infected the mother. According to police climb
27:50
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, we're talking about a mother, Rafaela Spone,
27:56
Speaker 1: who creates deep thanks so believable that the coaches, the parents,
28:05
Speaker 1: the other cheerleaders believe their fellow cheerleaders were actually naked,
28:10
Speaker 1: vaping and smoking cigarettes. One girl says she went and
28:14
Speaker 1: sat in the car and cried. She wanted to say
28:17
Speaker 1: that's not me, but yet there was a video of
28:21
Speaker 1: her in that position. Why over cheer rivalry. But I
28:28
Speaker 1: hate to tell you it's not the first time mothers
28:33
Speaker 1: break the rules, including committing crimes to further their daughters,
28:40
Speaker 1: to further their child. As a matter of fact, here's
28:44
Speaker 1: a recent one. Take a listen to Cody Long at
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Speaker 1: b KRG News five. This investigation started in November when
28:53
Speaker 1: the school district received a report that there was unauthorized
28:58
Speaker 1: access to some of the students accounts. And then today
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Speaker 1: the Florida Department of Law Enforcement arrested fifty year old
29:05
Speaker 1: Laura Carroll. She is an assistant principal at Bellevue Elementary School.
29:10
Speaker 1: Her daughter is a student at Tate High School, but
29:13
Speaker 1: we're not releasing her name because she is seventeen years old.
29:16
Speaker 1: They're accused of accessing student focus accounts after hundreds of
29:21
Speaker 1: votes for Tate High School's homecoming court were flagged as fraudulent.
29:25
Speaker 1: Investigators say a hundred and seventeen votes came from the
29:29
Speaker 1: same IP address. Multiple students told FDLE that the daughter
29:34
Speaker 1: described using her mother's Focus account to cast those votes.
29:39
Speaker 1: Carroll was booked and released today from the Escambia County Jail.
29:42
Speaker 1: Her daughter was taken to the Juvenile Detention Center Good
29:46
Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven, Doctor gin Man, I started to go
29:50
Speaker 1: to leave my page for more facts on that, but
29:52
Speaker 1: I think I need a shrink quickly because from what
29:56
Speaker 1: I'm understanding, an assistant principle down in Florida and her
30:01
Speaker 1: daughter hack into students school. My children have them, and
30:08
Speaker 1: they're only allowed to do schoolwork. They can't send emails,
30:12
Speaker 1: they can't look up things on Google all they can
30:15
Speaker 1: do schoolwork on those accounts, and they get flagged if
30:18
Speaker 1: they do anything else. Apparently this assistant principle, according to authorities,
30:24
Speaker 1: hack the students accounts and cast one hundred and seventeen
30:29
Speaker 1: fake ballots for a homecoming court for Pete's sake, of
30:33
Speaker 1: all things, and they find one hundred and seventeen votes
30:37
Speaker 1: from one IP address. I mean, what is this mother thinking?
30:42
Speaker 1: An assistant principle to top it all off? And I
30:45
Speaker 1: think one of the things that is a constant with
30:48
Speaker 1: both of these stories that is particurely troubling is this
30:52
Speaker 1: concept that you want your child to win, but not legitimately.
30:58
Speaker 1: It's somehow the win is more important than actually the
31:01
Speaker 1: process of the hard work that goes into cheerleading and
31:06
Speaker 1: winning or home kind of homecoming and campaigning so that
31:10
Speaker 1: your friend's vote for you. That's the important life skill
31:14
Speaker 1: aspect of both of these stories is completely missing in
31:19
Speaker 1: the parents understanding and desire for their kids to win.
31:22
Speaker 1: And look what parent doesn't want their kids to win,
31:25
Speaker 1: but to want them to win at all costs and
31:28
Speaker 1: so illegitimately not to mention that you commit a crime
31:33
Speaker 1: to do it. It's really not, you know, to Ken Belkin,
31:37
Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, my son, my daughter was too shy
31:41
Speaker 1: to do it. But my son ran for student body,
31:43
Speaker 1: some positional student body, and the most idea was come
31:48
Speaker 1: up with a slogan, don't be a granch, vote for Lanch.
31:52
Speaker 1: It worked. He won. Actually, I can't take anybred at whatsoever.
31:58
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine hacking into the student's computer accounts
32:03
Speaker 1: to get your daughter. I guess, get your daughter on
32:06
Speaker 1: homecoming court. She's gonna be on homecoming court in Jimmy
32:09
Speaker 1: jail for Pete's sake. That's what mommy got her. I mean,
32:13
Speaker 1: what happens to these parents? Don't they understand this is
32:16
Speaker 1: breaking the law, hacking into a computer account that aren't yours.
32:20
Speaker 1: But by the way, you know, all this is happening
32:22
Speaker 1: more and more, And in fact, I got a case
32:25
Speaker 1: last week. I was hired on involving something very similar
32:28
Speaker 1: out you know, in New York. And the fact of
32:31
Speaker 1: the matter is, most of the time these are otherwise
32:34
Speaker 1: very good, upstanding citizens. But I guess they're in the
32:37
Speaker 1: privacy of their home and they're on their computer and
32:40
Speaker 1: they just don't have the wherewood all to understand that, yes,
32:44
Speaker 1: you can break the law from in the privacy of
32:46
Speaker 1: your home and on your laptop. It is entirely possible.
32:50
Speaker 1: And Jackie here in the studio wants me to tell
32:53
Speaker 1: everybody that the team girl in question did win homecoming. Queen.
33:00
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to be impressed with the fact that
33:02
Speaker 1: she cheated. She and her mother cheated her way to
33:05
Speaker 1: homecoming Queen. I don't think that's gonna stand. I think
33:09
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a recall, and I don't want to
33:11
Speaker 1: even say voter fraud right now. But what these parents
33:15
Speaker 1: the links they will go to back to you. Glenn Bard,
33:18
Speaker 1: retired Pennsylvania State Trooper first Class and expert in computer
33:23
Speaker 1: crime investigations. Glenn just explain for the novices joining us
33:30
Speaker 1: how a vote, for instance, can be traced back to
33:35
Speaker 1: a quote to a quote IP address. Well, what they
33:40
Speaker 1: mentioned the IP address. But IP address is a protocol
33:44
Speaker 1: and it will identify basically the router or your access
33:48
Speaker 1: pointing to the Internet when that vote would take place.
33:51
Speaker 1: Anything you do using an email, you access a website,
33:54
Speaker 1: whatever it does, that server basically takes a stamp of
33:59
Speaker 1: your IP addressed. For instance, UM series XM WI Fi
34:05
Speaker 1: or a Fox Nation Wi Fi. It shows that or
34:08
Speaker 1: your specific device. Well, it's going to show when what's
34:13
Speaker 1: going to happen is between behind that firewall that that
34:17
Speaker 1: router is going to be. All the individual devices, they'll
34:20
Speaker 1: have their own internal private IP, but they all communicate
34:24
Speaker 1: with one thing, which is going to be that router
34:27
Speaker 1: which goes outside world. It's kind of like the same
34:29
Speaker 1: thing of your office. If I call it the main number,
34:32
Speaker 1: you're gonna have different extensions behind it. That one main
34:36
Speaker 1: number can go to different extensions, and that's that IP
34:39
Speaker 1: does that. I will be the IP of that gateway,
34:42
Speaker 1: that router, and then behind it you'll have different internal
34:46
Speaker 1: IP addresses. But the thing about it is what's going
34:49
Speaker 1: to happen that IP they'll see, they'll see the external
34:53
Speaker 1: or public IP address. It comes back to a location,
34:56
Speaker 1: a person's house, your guys's studios, my forensic it'll go
35:01
Speaker 1: back to that and then once you get to that location,
35:04
Speaker 1: you can actually examine that router and identify all the
35:07
Speaker 1: devices that are inside that network. And what will happen
35:11
Speaker 1: is a good forensic examination will even tell us exactly
35:14
Speaker 1: which one of those devices happened to be the one
35:17
Speaker 1: making these votes by looking at different web histories and
35:21
Speaker 1: the archived data and the artifacts on that device. So
35:24
Speaker 1: it's basically kind of like again looking at the main
35:29
Speaker 1: number to your studios and then devices behind their extensions,
35:33
Speaker 1: but instead they are public versus private IP addresses. Well,
35:38
Speaker 1: you know, criminal defense attorney Ken Bell, can you put
35:40
Speaker 1: somebody like Glan Bard or just Scott Morgan on the stand.
35:43
Speaker 1: This lady doesn't have a chance. But I want to
35:47
Speaker 1: point out that court records that have been obtained suggest
35:52
Speaker 1: that the daughter, Spoun's daughter did not know what her
35:55
Speaker 1: mom was doing as of right now. Of course, these
35:59
Speaker 1: two moms, as the assistant principal and Spoon allegedly aren't
36:02
Speaker 1: the only ones. Take a listen to our friends at ABC.
36:08
Speaker 1: Megan was just shy of her fourteenth birthday when what
36:11
Speaker 1: seemed to be a budding online relationship with a boy
36:14
Speaker 1: calling himself Josh Evans ended badly, what's going on there?
36:22
Speaker 1: How about what is going on there? My daughter herself.
36:27
Speaker 1: The tragedy was compounded when it was learned that the
36:30
Speaker 1: cyber friendship that drove her to hang herself had been
36:33
Speaker 1: a hoax, other kids posing as a fictitious boy. The
36:37
Speaker 1: sense of outrage deepened when one of the young participants
36:40
Speaker 1: in the hoax came forward. She told us she had
36:43
Speaker 1: information that it was Laurie Drew who created this MySpace account,
36:51
Speaker 1: along with her eighteen year old employee and her daughter.
36:55
Speaker 1: Laurie Drew was not another preteen, but the mother of
36:57
Speaker 1: a girl who lived down the street. So what happened
37:01
Speaker 1: is this little girl, Megan Meyer, thirteen years old, thought
37:06
Speaker 1: she had a boyfriend online and it was all just
37:12
Speaker 1: a big lie. It wasn't real. And then she was
37:15
Speaker 1: cyber bullied, and the little girl, God rest her soul
37:19
Speaker 1: and God be with her family, hung herself. It turned
37:23
Speaker 1: out the little boy was fictitious, created by mean girls
37:28
Speaker 1: and a mom. And now we had this woman, Raphaela Spone.
37:35
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing bad enough to send deep
37:39
Speaker 1: fakes of a teen girl naked vaping us, bad enough,
37:43
Speaker 1: but to suggest she commits suicide. We wait as justice
37:51
Speaker 1: and fools. Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off Goodbye Friend,