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The Late Debate | 14 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debate. Good evening, great to have
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  Speaker 1: your company.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James MacPerson with Caleb Bond and Caroline Marcus filling
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  Speaker 2: in for Danika Di Georgio.
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  Speaker 1: How are you both brilliant?
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  Speaker 3: Bat It's good to be back here after a few
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  Speaker 3: nights doing Paul Murray live back in the let's the
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  Speaker 3: man cave?
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  Speaker 4: What what would we call this step?
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  Speaker 5: I think tonight this is a feminized cave because we're
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  Speaker 5: all in pink, and I like to think.
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  Speaker 6: That's my influence. Tonight the Late guys have matched.
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  Speaker 4: Have the Late Debate. Din, how does that say?
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  Speaker 2: The other night when I was hosting with yourself and Danika,
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  Speaker 2: they reckon it was ladies night. Oh for goodness, So
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  Speaker 2: boys night tonight Verry nights, Ladies' night.
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  Speaker 6: Je.
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  Speaker 3: I've come back to fix that. You know, we've restored
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  Speaker 3: the balance here as it should be.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The fuel crisis bites harder, Quantus now suspending flights on
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  Speaker 2: some regional routes. The move that comes as Iran and
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  Speaker 2: the US look further than ever from some kind of resolution.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's Peak Psychology Body performs a spectacular backflip on gender ideology,
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  Speaker 2: now supporting so called gender affirming care after previously insisting
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  Speaker 2: on evidence based approach, and Donald Trump claims the meme
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  Speaker 2: of him looking like Jesus was supposed to betray him
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  Speaker 2: as a doctor. Is anyone seriously buying that story? We'll
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  Speaker 2: find out a little later in the program.
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  Speaker 1: At first, how.
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  Speaker 2: Would you feel about the government fitting speed limiters to
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  Speaker 2: the motor vehicles of people caught repeatedly speeding. It's an
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  Speaker 2: idea being considered in the US by the state of Illinois,
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  Speaker 2: and some are suggesting it could.
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  Speaker 1: Be a good thing to do here as well.
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  Speaker 2: Rather than lose their license, repeat offenders could elect to
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  Speaker 2: have a speed nanny fitted to their car, which would
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  Speaker 2: use GPS technology to ensure the driver couldn't exceed the
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  Speaker 2: speed limit wherever.
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  Speaker 1: They were driving.
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  Speaker 2: Supporters of the idea say people who lose their license
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  Speaker 2: for speeding typically drive anyway, endangering themselves and others, so
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  Speaker 2: why not let them keep their licenses but insist on
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  Speaker 2: a kind of digital hall monitor that ensures they can't
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  Speaker 2: have too much fun with it?
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  Speaker 1: Accelerator kyleab but what do you reckon?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 3: If it is used as an alternative to using your license,
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  Speaker 3: and it is for something that would currently cause you
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  Speaker 3: to lose your license, so I'm saying it becomes an exception.
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  Speaker 4: Then I don't mind the idea because it.
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  Speaker 3: Would then give you an avenue to keep your license.
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  Speaker 3: You just have to trade away a little bit of liberty,
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  Speaker 3: which if you lose your license because you lose your
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  Speaker 3: demerit points, or sorry, more accurately, you accrue too many
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  Speaker 3: demerit points, everyone thinks you lose them. You actually gain
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  Speaker 3: demerit points. But anyway, if you in New South Wales,
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  Speaker 3: if you gain too many demerit points you hit the limit.
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  Speaker 3: You can then elect to do some silly online course
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  Speaker 3: and say mea cooper, mea coolper, and they'll let you
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  Speaker 3: have your license back as long as you don't do
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  Speaker 3: anything bad for twelve months.
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  Speaker 4: So it's sort of the same thing, right, No problem
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  Speaker 4: with that.
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  Speaker 3: What I would worry though, is that it starts as okay,
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  Speaker 3: you can have your license back if you put the
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  Speaker 3: speed limitter on. Then it becomes every time someone is
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  Speaker 3: done in court for speeding, they have a speed limited
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  Speaker 3: put on, and then it becomes, well, we could just
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  Speaker 3: stop speeding all together. If we fitted every car with
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  Speaker 3: a speed limitter. Don't believe that they wouldn't do it
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  Speaker 3: if they had.
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  Speaker 5: The I hate to break it to U Kale, but
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  Speaker 5: this has already happened in the EU.
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  Speaker 6: They have fitted every.
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  Speaker 5: New car since twenty twenty four with these speed limitters.
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  Speaker 5: Now they don't They don't cap the speed at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: They just warn you if you're going over the limit,
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  Speaker 5: so they can tell you and it it helps the drivers.
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  Speaker 4: But it is that you can't turn it off.
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  Speaker 5: I think that there is a way to turn it off,
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  Speaker 5: but then once you start your engine again, it comes
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  Speaker 5: on automatically.
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  Speaker 6: You have to annually switch it off, like.
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  Speaker 2: The voice of the EU commissioner in your car saying, hey, steady.
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  Speaker 4: On it as well.
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  Speaker 5: That may be enough to stop people. Look, I don't
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  Speaker 5: have a problem with this at all. In fact, I
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  Speaker 5: would well committed more cars because more times than I'd
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  Speaker 5: like to admit more in the past, it hasn't happened
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  Speaker 5: to me for a while. I've just gone over the
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  Speaker 5: speed limit by say ten kilometers or less and haven't noticed,
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  Speaker 5: and then I've got that sneaky fine in the mail.
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  Speaker 6: I think the only people.
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  Speaker 5: This would really hurt is the state government and anyone
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  Speaker 5: who's collecting revenue from people who go that a little
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  Speaker 5: bit over the limit, because the news that Balls did
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  Speaker 5: consider this a few years ago and it didn't go anywhere,
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's because they would lose so much
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  Speaker 5: in revenue.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just become dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: Though.
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  Speaker 2: In a country like Australia, sound country roads, right, so
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  Speaker 2: we've all been stuck behind someone doing ninety on a
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  Speaker 2: country road, so you pull out to overtake them, and
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  Speaker 2: as soon as you pull out to overtake them, suddenly
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  Speaker 2: they realize they're driving too slowly, so they speed up
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  Speaker 2: to the speed limit. Then you'd have to break come
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  Speaker 2: back in behind them. I think it comes as a.
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  Speaker 6: Very niche example. Does this well.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking hard about this, Caroline and wondering why
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  Speaker 2: this doesn't work for me, And that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons it wouldn't work.
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  Speaker 4: For not meant to speed when you overtake either.
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  Speaker 3: So someone's going fifteen k under the limit and it's
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  Speaker 3: supremely annoying and you're meant to overtake them at the
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  Speaker 3: speed limits, so it takes you bed fifteen hours to
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 5: In the first one do we need to speed nanias
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  Speaker 5: to also have a cap on people who are driving
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  Speaker 5: too slower.
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  Speaker 6: Well, okay, because that is very interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe convince me of that.
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  Speaker 1: But I wait, so how would that work.
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  Speaker 2: So you're doing my mum is driving it like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, fifty, and all of a sudden the car
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  Speaker 2: does speed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yes, yes, if you can't make the speed,
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  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be on the road. But I think in
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  Speaker 3: general now speed limits are too low. In fact, we
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  Speaker 3: keep lowering speed limits for two reasons, One because it's
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  Speaker 3: allegedly making the world safer. Two because we don't fix
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  Speaker 3: up the roads, and so in lieu of fixing up roads,
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  Speaker 3: we just lower speed limits and say, okay, well now
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  Speaker 3: it's rated to what.
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  Speaker 4: It should be.
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  Speaker 3: But cars are infinitely safer today and have much better
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  Speaker 3: technology and air bags, and they have crumple zones and
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  Speaker 3: all this gear so that if you come a cropper,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you've done it in the seventies, you'd
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  Speaker 3: be dead. If you did it today, you might go
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  Speaker 3: to hospital with a bit of whiplash. Right, And we
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  Speaker 3: keep lowering the speed limits. We should be increasing the
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  Speaker 3: speed limits.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 5: One of the weird arguments you can make I mean vehicle,
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  Speaker 5: I mean speeding and cars are still one of the
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  Speaker 5: leading cause of death in this country.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, but fati to become more dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: No, but fatigue is a leading cause of death and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people stay on the road for longer
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  Speaker 3: by keeping the speed limits lower. I mean in the
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  Speaker 3: Northern Territory, they briefly went back to under the previous
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  Speaker 3: colp government open speed limits on the Stuart Highway and
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  Speaker 3: they saw no difference in.
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  Speaker 4: Fatalities or crashes at all.
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  Speaker 3: So there is a test case that on open pieces
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  Speaker 3: of road you can open up the speed limit and
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't cause death.
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  Speaker 4: Why should we not do that everywhere?
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  Speaker 3: Why should the human highway not be one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: thirty kN ur Because if.
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  Speaker 5: There is a crash, if that happens to be an accident,
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  Speaker 5: then going at a far greater speed is going to
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  Speaker 5: increase the likelihood of a fatality or a serious injury.
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  Speaker 3: The Udi Barn works in Germany, look, I think too,
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  Speaker 3: they have a crash and then it's on news right around.
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  Speaker 4: The worldly folds.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't understand why we in this day and
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  Speaker 3: age cannot have somewhat higher speed limits I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: that we should go two hundred kilometers an hour everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: but the difference between between one hundred and ten and
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty fifty your destination twenty kilometers fast?
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  Speaker 2: What about this as an unintended consequence if you mandated
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  Speaker 2: speed limitters, because that's where it will go, right, They'll
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  Speaker 2: start with people who are perpetual speeders, and then they'll say,
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  Speaker 2: why don't we just get rid of speeding altogether? But
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  Speaker 2: who would ever buy a Porsche or a Aston Martin,
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  Speaker 2: or a Lamborghini or a Ferrari or a I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't bother with one of those luxury sports cars
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  Speaker 2: if they've got a speed limitter on them, just take away.
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  Speaker 5: Look, the same people who are going through midlife crises
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  Speaker 5: will still invest in them because they look cool, they
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  Speaker 5: look flash. They're not driving around the eastern suburbs of
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  Speaker 5: Sydney at two hundred kilometers an hour at least they
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  Speaker 5: shouldn't be anyway. It's more to show off and driving
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  Speaker 5: around the suburbs, you know, So I think people would
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  Speaker 5: still still buy them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course, if you're doing that, you're burning a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fuel and other mob but it's burning a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fuel at the moments the airlines and Quantus
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  Speaker 3: has now announced that they are going to what a surprise,
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  Speaker 3: jack up a number of their affairs. They're also going
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  Speaker 3: to cut regional roots in order to try and save
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  Speaker 3: money now that the problem is. They've put out in
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  Speaker 3: their latest market update that for the second half of
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  Speaker 3: the financial year they're spending or projected to spend eight
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  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars more on fuel than they thought they
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  Speaker 3: would because the price of jet fuel has gone up
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  Speaker 3: by twenty eight.
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  Speaker 4: Dollars a barrel.
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  Speaker 3: So now it's the poor people once again in regional
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  Speaker 3: towns and rural parts of this country who have to
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  Speaker 3: deal with it. Quantus is going to cut off the
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne to Hamilton Ireland and their Melbourne to Coffs Harbor
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  Speaker 3: services from May eighteen to June twenty eight. The Sydney
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  Speaker 3: to Bustleton service will stop from May eighteen to September
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  Speaker 3: twenty two, along with the Darwin to the Gold Coast
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  Speaker 3: May eighteen to October twelve.
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  Speaker 4: And they're also going to.
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  Speaker 3: Indefinitely suspend flats between Adelaide and Mount Gambia, which is
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  Speaker 3: of course at the bottom of South Australia from May
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  Speaker 3: eighteen due to what's going on with the fuel. They
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  Speaker 3: also say there's been a decline in people wanting to
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  Speaker 3: use the service. As you can understand, the Premier of
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  Speaker 3: South Australia today, Peter Manladowskas, was not particularly happy with that.
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  Speaker 3: It's fair to say we expressed our disappointment to quantas
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  Speaker 3: to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Politely, But at the same time.
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  Speaker 3: I know that this will be an opportunity for EX Alliance,
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  Speaker 3: which has had its own difficulties, and I mean maybe
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  Speaker 3: it will be an opportunity for EX, but we know
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  Speaker 3: that REX has been in trouble. You're taking away services
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  Speaker 3: from people in regional towns because we say, oh, well
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  Speaker 3: that the fuel is now too expensive.
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  Speaker 4: What a terrible position for people.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we talked about farmers who are struggling to
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  Speaker 3: get to affordable fuel to do all the stuff they
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  Speaker 3: have to do.
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  Speaker 4: But people who live in regional.
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  Speaker 3: Australia who don't have readily available public transport systems, who
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  Speaker 3: have to drive to get anywhere, who are effectively forced
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  Speaker 3: at the moment to pay more for fuel to get
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  Speaker 3: around like they always have now if they want to
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  Speaker 3: go into a major capital city well, their only option
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  Speaker 3: will be to drive and burn up fuel that they'll
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  Speaker 3: pay through the nose for because they're losing their Quantus
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  Speaker 3: flights as well.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason this greats caroline is because it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: that long ago that Quantas were in huge financial trouble
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  Speaker 2: and the Australian public bailed them out during COVID.
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  Speaker 1: That's fairly recently.
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  Speaker 2: You'd think there would be a little bit of memory
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  Speaker 2: and perhaps gratitude from Quants they help out Australian publican ips.
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  Speaker 5: Port decision too, and the consumer watchdog that had found
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  Speaker 5: that Quantas had been ripping customers off and in how
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  Speaker 5: they treated them, especially with flights that had been canceled
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  Speaker 5: during that period. I don't think there'll be a whole
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  Speaker 5: lot of sympathy for Quantus, even though I can understand
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  Speaker 5: a commercial decision. I mean, they're estimated to lose half
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  Speaker 5: a billion dollars of their bottom line in profits because
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  Speaker 5: of the increase in fuel costs, so I appreciate there
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  Speaker 5: are commercial decisions that have to happen here and just
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  Speaker 5: in their benefit. To their benefit, they say that some
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  Speaker 5: of these routes, like for example, from Adelaide to Mount Gambia,
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  Speaker 5: which the indefinitely suspending flights. There's been very little demand
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  Speaker 5: for them anyway. They're only running at like twenty percent capacity,
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  Speaker 5: so it doesn't make sense for them to continue some
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  Speaker 5: of these regional flights, or.
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  Speaker 6: At least to put a pause on them.
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  Speaker 5: But I will say I can't believe that people taking
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: off their roof racks hasn't solved this issue yet, guys.
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  Speaker 5: I can't believe that Countius has had to take this
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  Speaker 5: move and that you know, us all checking our tire
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  Speaker 5: pressures hasn't resulted in you know for a second, whether.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were saying that roof wrecks were on
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  Speaker 2: Quantous aircraft.
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  Speaker 4: They may will be there to be a bit of fun.
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  Speaker 4: I'll look the end.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you why it's not worth because I drove
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  Speaker 3: home last night with my windows down and that caused drag.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm using up a lot of bringing.
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  Speaker 6: Not that I put country, not.
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  Speaker 4: That I put jet fuel in the outing.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, still a Quantous double dipping here because
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  Speaker 2: the price of tickets will go up because of the fuel,
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  Speaker 2: but also they are providing fewer flights, which means supply
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  Speaker 2: and demand the price will go up Is that the
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  Speaker 2: same thing or they two different price rises.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, I think it's a it's a fair point.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what the actual balance will
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  Speaker 3: be in terms of how much they save by not
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: running the flights versus what they make up by jack
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  Speaker 3: up the prices of the fares. You know, It's just
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  Speaker 3: what we need at the moment, isn't it. Everything becomes
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  Speaker 3: more expensive because of the cost of fuel and everything
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  Speaker 3: has to be transported, and so who ultimately pays for
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: it It ends up being the consumer. The businesses don't
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  Speaker 3: want to copy it. But I think your point James,
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that we bailed them out during COVID
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  Speaker 3: will provided to the air sector anyway. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: subsidy is a good one. And it's the same argument
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  Speaker 3: I've made about the banks before in terms of service provision,
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  Speaker 3: where if we as a country of our government say
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  Speaker 3: that a certain service provider or a certain service is
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: so important to the country that it deserves government support,
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  Speaker 3: they should then pay us back in some way by
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: giving us a level of service that is dictated by.
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  Speaker 4: The government, and the government should be able to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, if we give you support, you have to run
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: regional services because that's part of running your business in
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  Speaker 3: Australia and I don't see a problem with doing that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, let's get back to the cause of why we're
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  Speaker 5: having these issues in the first place, and that is,
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  Speaker 5: of course, the conflict in the Middle East and the
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  Speaker 5: closure of the Strait of Home Mus.
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  Speaker 6: Now, new reports say that.
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  Speaker 5: There was before the peace deals fell over, there had
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  Speaker 5: been an offer from Iran to put a five year
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: pause on its nuclear ambitions and its program, but the
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: United States wanted twenty years as a pause.
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  Speaker 6: So according to these reports.
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  Speaker 5: Iran had offered to suspend its uranium enrichment operations for.
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  Speaker 6: Five years. Now, that wasn't good enough for Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 5: And here's some of the US President explaining why that
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  Speaker 5: was not agreed to.
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  Speaker 7: Iarin will not have a nuclear weapon, and we agreed
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  Speaker 7: to a lot of things, but they didn't agree to that.
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  Speaker 7: And I think they will agree to it. I'm almost
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  Speaker 7: sure of it. In fact, I am sure of it.
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  Speaker 7: If they don't agree, there's no deal. They'll never be
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  Speaker 7: a deal.
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  Speaker 5: According to the New York Times, there was another sticking
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  Speaker 5: point in these negotiations, and that is that Iran was
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  Speaker 5: firmly opposed to having enriched uranium removed from the country,
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: which is what Trump wanted to happen. They insisted that
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: it remained, which is a wonderful sign that they're of
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: course not going to plan.
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  Speaker 6: To do anything with the uranium. They just want it
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: there just in case.
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  Speaker 5: I think that Trump is right to deny them any
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  Speaker 5: possibility of rebuilding their nuclear plan.
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  Speaker 6: Five years is nothing.
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  Speaker 5: And who could take the words of these mad mullers
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  Speaker 5: in the first place. Just look what happened under the
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: deal with Obama, that ridiculous deal that Trump has torn up.
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  Speaker 5: They continued clearly to work on their nuclear capabilities, and
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: the United States became the laughing stock of the world.
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  Speaker 5: They became the number one sponsor, and they's manted their
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: place as the number one sponsor of terrorism. And they
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  Speaker 5: cannot be allowed to rebuild to that capability again, well
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  Speaker 5: anyway close to it.
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  Speaker 2: There's two admissions that have come out of these peace negotiations. One,
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  Speaker 2: Iran have admitted they have enriched uranium. Second, Iran have
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: admitted that they will pursue a nuclear weapon. They're willing
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  Speaker 2: to pause for five years, but as you say, five
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: years is a blink in the terms of human history.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: So Donald Trump is absolutely right to continue to pursue
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Iran until they give up those claims. And that's not
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: me saying he's right to pursue Iran. Anthony Albanesi back
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: in February said that Iran must never be allowed to
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: have a nuclear weapon, that they represent a danger to
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: world security, which is why I don't understand why Anthony
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Albanesi is now calling for, you know, talks to resume
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: for de escalation. This would have been over weeks ago
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: if every Western leader in the world had said it
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: is unacceptable for Iran to have nuclear weapons. We fully
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: back the United States and Israel to do whatever needs
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: to be done to make sure that they are incapable
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: of ever possessing such And if that sort of pressure
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: had been applied, we probably have a very different world
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: right now. But Iran have been encouraged by feckless leaders
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: in Kirstarma, Emmanuel Macron and leaders here in Australia to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: continue with the belief that they'll be able to scare
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: everybody into backing off because of fuel prices. That that's
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: how Iran have been empowered. They've been empowered by Western
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: leaders who lack the moral courage of Trump, and that yahoo.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe to some degree, but they're dealing with Trump, They're
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: not dealing with Starma and alban Easy.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: And I suppose the point is.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: That if we don't think they would adhere to twenty
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: years or five years or any other number, does it
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: really matter what the number is, because the reality is
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: that they could agree to twenty years, I mean, twenty
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: years as much of a blip in the history of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: the world as five years is, right, Is it not
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: more valuable perhaps to get a deal of some description
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: on the table and then the minute they start breaking
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: the terms of those deals go.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Straight back to it. No, no, no, no.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: But but the deal under Obama was a completely different one,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: and it was torn up because it was fundamentally about
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: lifting sanctions against Iran. That's what they wanted in exchange
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: for this supposed non nuclear proliferation. They had a whole
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: bunch of sanctions lifted. And the problem was that when
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Trump pulled out of that, Iran turned around and said, oh, well,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: you know it's not being adhered to anymore in terms
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: of the sanctions. We don't want to be a part
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: of it either, And they went back to doing exactly
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: what they were doing. I'm not suggesting any sanctions should
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: be lifted whatsoever. What I am saying is, once you
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: have a deal in place that says you can not
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: do this, the minute they break that, which of course
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: they will, then you have earned the right to go
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: back and do what you want to do. Does it
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: matter whether it's twenty years fight.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, there should be no set time
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: frame from this. There should be absolutely no chance that
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: they will.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: We're never going to get if you go with your plan, right,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So you say, all right, five year deal and they'll
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: break it five minutes later. But do you really think
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: that the United Nations or Western leaders are then going
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: to say, all right, yes, we'll let America go back.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: They're not saying it now when they possess nuclear weapons.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And in addition, but America has got their war machine
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: there in.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: The Middle East.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Now you withdraw all of that, so then five minutes
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: later have to go back.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Why should the United States and.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: The United States public need to fund that they're there now,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: deal with the issue once and for all.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: But how far does the war machine go?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: The war machine goes until Iran no longer are a
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: nuclear threat to the rest of the world, So.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: You potentially end up in another never war forever war that.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Trump promints, we will end up in an ever ever
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: wore if the Western leaders don't support the leaders of
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the free world to get this done.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Already military is already severely incapacitated, and then.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: New Supreme Leader no one has even seen him.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Apparently he's disfigured in hospital, He's maybe lost a leg
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: or two, who knows, who knows what where he even is.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, the regime still stands.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: They do have control of the state of hort Moves,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: and they're going to use that as a bargaining chip.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: But I think it's not going.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: To be a never ending war. Like the US has
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: already essentially won the war. They are being held hostage
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: over the Strait of hull Moves, and there needs to
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: be some kind of agreement on that, I suppose. But
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: if they kept going and completely completely got rid of
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: this regime, I think we would see a much safer
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: world and much safer Middle East.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: What replaces the regime.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Who the Iranian people want, whether that is the Crown Prince,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: whether it is a completely new figure of diplomacy, not
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: someone who going to be an Islamist someone who's.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Going to be Doesn't that have to be done by
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: instrument of the people as opposed to the US wiping
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: out in the saying I will go and fix it up.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: Well, they need to wipe them out, and this is
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: what Iranians.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Try to do that in Afghanistan. How that go?
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: But I think we're talking about a few weeks here, Caleb.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: But people keep comparing the situation to someone something that
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: dragged on for years and years and years and was
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: quite a different scenario. I mean, this is one where
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Iran was directing. This regime is directing attacks on this country.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: It involves us as well. So I think we need
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: to support what Trump and Israel trying to achieve here.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: And yes, it ultimately has to be left up to
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: the Iranian people. But you ask Iranians here as well,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: dissidents here in Australia what they want.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: They want Trump to keep going.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: They actually are concerned about the ceasefire because they worry
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: the regime will just come back stronger than ever because
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: they will have this moral win over the US and
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: its allies.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not off that Donald Trump backs down, but
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: he has so put that down in your calendar. After
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: posting an image that appeared to portray Donald Trump as Jesus.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There's the image. Trump has since deleted it. He got,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of course, criticism from all quarters. Here's JD Vance, the
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Vice President, saying Trump posted it as a joke. Obviously
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: people don't understand Trump's sense of humor.
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: I think the President was posting a joke, and of
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: course he took it down because he recognized that a
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: lot of people weren't understanding his humor. In that case,
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: I think the President of the United States likes to mix
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: it up on social media, and I actually think that's
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: one of the good things about this president is that
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: he's not filtered. He doesn't send everything through a communications professional.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: That explanation makes perfect sense to me. This one does not.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: I did first it and I thought it was me
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: to me as a doctor making people better, and I
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: do make people better. I make people a lot better.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Can we just put the image back on the screen
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: and you at home have a look and tell me
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: if you see Donald Trump MD there.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I can't see it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Can neither of you go in my house?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: You know, my doctor always wears a red robe overrooms.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, for goodness sake, that's like the.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Dog ate my homework. Like, no one is believing that
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: for a minute. And to be perfectly frank this was
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: just an entirely stupid move by Trump because it didn't
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: have to happen. You know, it works well when you're
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: going after your political adversaries in the in the Democratic
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Party or whatever, but you don't have to go after
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the Pope. It's just opening yourself up to situations that
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you don't need to be.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, but after him first?
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah sure, but so what the pope went after?
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: It's not a political add Just take a joke, people,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: And usually I hate that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Line that JD.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Van said, Oh, you know, you don't have a sense
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: of humor, you don't get it. I don't like that
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: when people defend jokes that are clearly grossly offensive or
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: not funny more even worse. But in this case it
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: is clearly he's just taking the piss. Trump is just
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: having a bit of fun. He's poking fun at the
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Pope who's been having a go at him over the
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Iran war. Where he should, you know, frankly, stay in
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: his lane. And I think like people need to line
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: up a bit. So he posted a picture of himself
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: looking like he's some kind of divine healer. Maybe it
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: was Jesus, Maybe it wasn't Jesus. Clearly not a doctor.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Clearly not a doctor.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: That's stilling.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But seriously, shouldn't shouldn't Left East be happy with Trump?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, the other day he made fun of Islam
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: with his praise or glory be to Allah on his tweet.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: This week he's making fun of the Pope.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So there you go. He's attacking all religions.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: I saw that people finally care about Christians.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: About feelings of Christians.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Well on one person who has criticized him over it
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: is Georgia Maloney, who, of course the Prime Minister of Italy.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: What's happened to her?
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: What?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Because she's spoken out about it. Well, she's a Catholic,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: so maybe she's offended.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: I think he's getting a lot of internal I mean
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: pressure from within her own coalition, pressure from the opposition
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: domestically to say something.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: So I rememb when I say it was stupid by Trump,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: because I'm not offended by it either, but I understand
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: why some.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: People might be. And it's just created a situation that
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: didn't have to exist. Like, I'm not sure that he's
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: going that's Trump's mo o.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: But I don't think he's going to gain a great
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: deal by going after the Pope.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Pope can go after him whatever. He
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: is the president of the United States. I don't think it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Does anything for him or his base to go after
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the Pope particularly and then make.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Well and a lot of it, and it wasn't just Catholics.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: In fact, I'm not sure it was. Catholics were the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: reason why Trump deleted it, and I think it is
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: significant he did delete it, so that just shows you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: how much pushback he got. And a lot of it
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: was from evangelical Christians who said, you've gone too far,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: this is blasphemous.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think they couldn't take a joke. I don't think
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it was blasphemous at all.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Well, it might have been blasphemous, but since when was
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: being blasphemous to make sure in a diplomatic Yeah, well exactly.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: But I guess if they think that he's portraying himself
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: as Jesus, that is I don't know.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You tell me for a second, think that looked like
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: he was being Jesus.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: It was obvious a dispute with the Pope.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: He posts himself in a popel like position, saying, you're
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: not doing a good job with the world.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I might as well be leading the church.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Aha, is it funny, Doctor Trump to go.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: And see Dr Trump for your prescription of fun.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Which we try to provide each evening here on the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: late debate and speaking of people with a Jesus complex,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: lots of people seem to think that if someone proclaims
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: that they are transgender, then.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: They must say, yes, you are, and therefore that is
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: now the truth.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Now it is self evident to you and me, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: increasingly large parts of the medical community around the world,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: that that's not actually the right thing to do by
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: people who have gender dysphoria or people who present and
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: say they believe they are transgender. There are other options
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and perhaps other comorbidities that feed into people experiencing gender
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: dysphoria that doesn't always mean they are genuinely transgender, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the Australian Psychological Society had opened itself up to that idea.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: A couple of years ago.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: They drafted a document about a care gender affirming care
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: that talked about the fact that in not every case
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: is gender affirming care the right thing to do.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Now they have walked that back. The rest of the
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: world is.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Abandoning this stuff. The Australian Psychological Society, which is one
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: of the top bodies for psychologists in this country, is
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: now going in completely the other direction. This is in
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the Australian Today, where they write statements in the twenty
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: twenty four draft document that quote medical gender affirmation is
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: not the only way to support transition seems like an
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: eminently sensible thing to write, and more research was needed
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: to determine long term impacts have been entirely removed from
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six final position statement. The draft also
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: stated that aspects of transition may not necessarily reduce the
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: risk of suicide, and noted that the use of a
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: new name or pronouns in children who are yet to
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: be assessed might be considered a form of active intervention.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Those two have been removed from the new draft.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: What they are saying is.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: That children should receive gender affirming care, and there are
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: no questions about that. Clinical psychologist Sandra Perto says I
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: naively assumed that an in depth assessment would be mandatory.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: In the new APS document. Instead, proper assessment comes across
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: as just a possible option, outweighed by the dogma that
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: if a client says they are trans, they are trans
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and must be affirmed immediately, for example, by asking them
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: their pronouns. I just cannot get over the fact that
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: you know, they were that close to admitting that maybe
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: there are other things going on in this space. That
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter what's going on overseas. It doesn't matter that
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: everyone else is recognizing that this is wrong.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Cash report, which was.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: The one out of the UK I'm sure you're aware
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: of that led to the closure of the Tavistock Clinic,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: which was the largest gender clinic in the UK a
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: few years ago, was referenced in the original document. Now
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: it's been removed from this document. I mean, they're going
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: in the total other.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Direction to the rest of the world.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: And it's not just that, it's the censorship of scientific
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: evidence that seems to be happening here that just makes
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: you question, why why is this happening in this country.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: There's not only the cast review that you mentioned, Caleb,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: There's been this fascinating Finnish study that has just come
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: out which tracked over twenty years every child and young person,
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: every person in fact, who had gone through to a
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: gender clinic and been referred to them because they had
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: to keep the data, so they tracked more than two
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: thousand people and they compared them with a control group.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: And this finish study found that there was an elevated
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: risk of psychiatric morbidity in people who had been referred
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: to gender clinics, and that meant that girls and young
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: women who were given testosterone, the male hormone, and boys
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: and young men given the female hormone estrogen suffered significant
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: increases in distress after they started gender affirming treatment. It
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: found it didn't it didn't cause psychiatric needs of these
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: patients to subside just because they'd had gender reassignment. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: that just blows a huge hole in the argument for
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: from the transactivists and the lobby that this any criticism
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: of gender affirming care means that you want to see
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: trans children die because this will lead to suicide if
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: they cannot have their gender affirmed. That is clearly nonsense
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: according to these studies, and for us in Australia, for
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: our peak psychological body to just ignore this evidence I mean,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: presumably this latest finished study wasn't available when they came
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: to their conclusion.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: They had the cast.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Review, which found made similar suggestions. Is just so irresponsible
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: and harmful.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: So the question becomes what transpired between twenty twenty four
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: when they had this draft report sounded eminently sensible and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six when we get the report as it
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: is now presented. And according to the psychologist Sandra Perto.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Did you say her name was?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: That's my stab At quoted earlier, she says that the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: draft report went to a group called the Psychology of
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Diverse Bodies, Genders and Sexualities Interest Group. This is an
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: activist group of psychologists.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: They don't sound that they have a particular agenda toash.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Say, they have a slight bent, and it would seem
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: they have had their way with this document and that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: may well account for the significant change in tone and direction.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: We are so behind in the Endless Country caliber. I
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: just want to make the point. You know, we've seen
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: a number of psychologists and psych psychiatrists be canceled, be
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: banned because of their questioning of this dogma around this issue.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, even the public broadcaster could cut ties with
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: ACN the LGBTQI group. That has led to a lot
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: of biased and conflicted reporting.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: We les psychologists now saying they won't consult parents with
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: children who are suffering gender dysphoria because they are afraid
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that if they don't affirm the stated gender identity of
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the child then they could be legally liable. So they
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: just rather not deal with these kids at all, which
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: is an absolute tragedy for our kids.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: The problem is that we have effectively fascist lunatics in
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: the psychological profession who are forcing through bodies like this
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: their colleagues to adhere to an ideology that they do
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: not believe in that is against medicine and it is
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: against science. And I'm sorry, if you look at the
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: evidence that exists today and you don't think that there
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: are questions to be raised, then you are deliberately putting
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: patients in danger.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: As far as Well said.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Well, speaking of boys who want to be girls and
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: girls who want to be boys, how about boys who
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: just built lost in the education system.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Because there's a story today that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Men and young men are being left behind by our
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: tertiary system.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: Lost boys need a leg up.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Is this piece that's run in the Australian Today and
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: it quotes a couple of major universities vice chancellors. One
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: of them is Western Sydney University's vice chancellor George Williams,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: who has said that Australia is facing a generation of
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: these lost boys, as young men fall behind and they
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: should be given opportunities to catch up. And Bill Shorten,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: the former Labor leader who's vice chancellor at the University
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: of Canberra, has raised similar concerns and he's warned COVID
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: lockdowns have actually made people, and a lot of young
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: people less resilient and that's contributing to the problem. And
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: this comes off the back of a report that ran
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: recently that I know you've been talking about, Caleb, which
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: found that the number of young men aged twenty five
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: to thirty four at the first for the first time
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  Speaker 5: outnumber that older cohort in saying they're permanently unable to work.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: So what has led to this? We know boys and
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: girls learn differently. Their brains are different. It's evident from
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: even preschool. I can tell you with a son and
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: daughter that they learn differently. Boys need more movement, they
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: have more energy needs. Are they unable to focus for
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: as long as girls until they're a little bit older.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: So where did we go so wrong?
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just not fashionable to care about men and
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: boys anymore, is it. I mean, you know, there was
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: rightly a movement to have gender equality and that was okay,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Well right wrongs and involve.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Women in things more often women and girls.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: But that's the pendulum has swung too far, and now
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: no one seems to care about the outcomes of boys.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: If this was happening to girls, people be screaming from
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the rooftops about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you attack one side of the population
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: twenty four to seven, we really surprised that then we
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: end up with problems not just for that side of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the population, but for society as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we are.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: It's about time we started to affirm boys again and
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: let always be boys.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: All right, We're going to go to a break.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: including fears of a global recession that's coming up next. Well,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: just before we get into tomorrow's headlines, a bit of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: breaking news. A Chinese oil tanker has passed through the
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Strait of Harmus in what's seen as defiance of Donald
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Trump's blockade of the vital shipping route Beijing is called
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the US blockade dangerous and irresponsible. At least sixteen US
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: warships excuse me, you're in the area, and Trump has
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: warned any ships approaching US forces could be eliminated. So
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: this sets up a pretty interesting scenario, doesn't it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Well, fancy that China is just defying everything and going
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, it is one of a Run's allies, so
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: kind of not entirely surprising.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: What do you think will happen, Caleb, Well.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: It create amazing news scenes if the US tries to
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: blow up a Chinese oil tanker, wouldn't it. It's funny
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: because China has remained reasonably quiet about the whole conflict.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Obviously they are in hour, but they've.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Kind of kept out of it, I think quite deliberately.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: So this is the first sort of act that you
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: have seen from China in relation to this conflict. Now,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: whether or not that means that there could be more
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to come, who knows. I mean, things to really heat
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: up if China decigns to get more involved. But it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: the first time they've actually really done anything.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: It's almost like China have been trying to position themselves
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: as the sensible world power in contrast to the reckless,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: bombastic Donald Trump, so it'd be interesting to see what
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: they're playing at with defying his blockade.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: I have a feeling we're going to see a pretty
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: ragey truth social post within the next fo urs.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Just a prediction one dollar in one sent odds on that,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: but go and find your local book. It all continues
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: on the front of the Australian Tomorrow, where it says
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: crisis turns are rated. Get out your VPN, folks, or
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: your DVDs, depending on your age.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Risks of global recession.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And a hit to the Australian economy from a prolonged
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Middle East war have prompted the International Monetary Fund to
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: warn the Albanesi government of untargeted spending, an urgent to
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: use tax windfalls for buffers against further shocks. As Anthony
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Albanezi arrived in oil rich Brunei for fuel supply talks
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: and Jim Chalmers flew to Washington for G twenty Finance
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Minister meetings, Australian consumer and business confidence fell to historic lows,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: underscoring concerns that the economy is approaching a tipping point.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: The data prompted Reserve Bank Deputy Governor Andrew Hauser to
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: describe the higher inflation or lower growth scenario as a nightmare.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I suppose what you can read into that is nothing's
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: going to get it easier anytime soon, because the last
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: thing the government will want an official recession on paper.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think we've been in a recession for
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: the better part of two years, really per capita recession,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: but we haven't had one on paper because they papered
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: over it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: With high migration.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Any risk that they could have one would be disastrous
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: for the government and they will do whatever they can
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: to avoid.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: It and for mums and dads.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Thinking about the pantry, the dairy farmers are quoted in
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the article saying they expect the price of dairy products cheese, milk, yogurt,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: butter to go up twenty percent in the near future,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: so people start to experience more than just fuel pain.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and not just for mums and dads. I mean
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: that's going to affect everything. That's going to affect hospitality prices, cafes, restaurants.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: If dairy prices go obviously, we're expecting to see increases
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: and other kinds of fresh fruit and vegetables. Farmers are
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: being affected grains like it's endless.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: She needs a coffee in the morning to cope with
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: all this gear. Cost of your coffee, you'll go up
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: the wazoo and a half.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: Blue it to long black.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I think, well, yeah, I know, as long as they
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: don't come after the wine, that'll be real mental illness
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: tops NDS Reviews also on the front of the odds. Tomorrow,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Labour must confront weak boundaries that have allowed too many
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: people on the fifty billion dollar a year INDIS and
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: eroded Australia's social capital in caring for disabled friends and family.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: The schemes in Orderal Board director has warned as disability
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: and health sectors brace for sweeping changes to access for
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: participants with mental illness. Health and INDIS Minister Mark Butler
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: has foreshadowed major changes focused on constraining the number of
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: people entering the disability program, the size of the average
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: plan budgets, or a combination of those two things, with
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: several industry sources confirming they expected the scheme six billion
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: dollar mental health spend was in the government sites. Well
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: what a surprise, I mean they have to do something.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: It's gone on for far too long. I think Bill
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Shortened did somewhat try his best when he was in
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: that role to do something about it. But when you
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: create such a big behemoth, it's so difficult to turn around.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: And that's what the government is discovering.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: But it's at the point now.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: If they don't do something to turn it around now,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: it will never happen.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: And stories like this are interesting and outrageous, but to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: be honest, they inspire a yawn from me because we've
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: had these reports now for the last number of years
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: saying how out of balance the NDIS is. Bill Shorton
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: may have tried, but in the words of that famous Hawthorne.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Coach, don't try. Do somebody fix it?
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Sick of these articles saying, oh, it needs to be fixed,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: when someone's going to grab it by the horns and
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: actually make some tough decisions. And that's the problem. They're
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: going to have to make tough decisions. And tell me
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: one politician in this country that's gained to make tough decisions.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Well, in fantess I think there will be a big
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: slashing in the budget coming up, and they are going
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: to cut and dias growth. But if you ask an economist,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: they will say it's not by nearly enough.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Be so whether that's.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Going to make too much of a difference, but clearly
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: something that was intended for the most vulnerable, most disabled
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: people in our community is now being brought at by
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: people with it would seem mild disabilities, learning.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: Difficulties, you name it. So it needs to be fixed
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: quick smart.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Another story on the front of Yours tomorrow, call for
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: adf at Jewish sites. Jewish institutions need around the clock
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: security and possibly military protection. A global advocacy group has
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: told the Anti Semitism Ruyle Commission, with its local director
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: warning the inquiry had delayed the introduction of such security measures.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: One of the first submissions filed to the National probe
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Jewish nonprofit Stand with Us called for an overhaul of
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: community security arrangement similar to the Permanent Safety Fund, considered
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: by former Spy Chief Dennis Richardson. So as they say,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the first one that's been put in, and I mean,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: if we're at the point where we need the defense
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: for involved, what a sorry state of affair.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: I think it's been a sorry state of affairs for
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: so many years, and people have just accepted it as
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: normal that Jewish schools and synagogues need any security out
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: the front of them at all, So it shouldn't be
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: such a stretch that now they're thinking maybe the army
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: is necessary. I mean, I've noticed a much bigger presence
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: a police outside synagogues over the recent holidays of Passover
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: and Perima, just for your usual sort of Shabbat weekend.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: And it's sad, but this is the country we live in,
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: and this is what we've allowed to happen to Australia.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember, Caroline, you might recall better than I,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: but was it Belgium that recently announced they would deploy
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: soldiers outside synagogues and Jewish schools? There was a European
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: country just recently made that announcement.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: It could be, I don't know off the top of
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: my head, James, it could be. But remember that even
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: at the Bondi event, the Huneker event that was attacked
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: on December fourteen, in the terror attack, they had asked
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: for more security. They had asked and begged for police
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: to be there, and on that day they were let down.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: So I think if the Jewish community is saying we
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: need an increase here.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Maybe this time we can listen.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: All right, we're talking about the price of coffee going up.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: So here you go at the Canberra Times, coffee and
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: a fuel levee cost rise. Cafes and restaurants feel stuck
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: between a rock and a hard place.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: That's the headline. The article reads.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Camberians can expect to start paying additional levees and fees
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: as local businesses reach breaking point and begin adding extra
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: charges to sales to account for skyrocketing delivery prices. As
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: the war continues, cafes restaurants reckon costs are going up
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: by about thirty percent of cost. They say they can
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: no longer absorb.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: So there you go. You won't be having a coffee
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and you won't be eating out too much. Caleb.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: Maybe you'll switch to instant black.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Cod No, there is no way I'll drink instant coffee.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: The International roast away.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Finally, let's go to the advertised The Rich has a
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: great headline here it says no selfie control. With a
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: selfie posted by the South Australian Police's own Road safety boss,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Superintendent Shane Johnson, took a picture of himself while writing
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: his bar openly flouting the law.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: You believe it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: I obviously been stupid enough to share it with someone
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: or dare I say online?
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: And this has now leaked to the newspapers.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: You're really going to have an internal investigation over this?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: What a waste of time?
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Well, he's the guy who is in charge of, you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: finding other people making them lose their licenses.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: He's on the phone.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Wait until they put a speed limitter on his back.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: A selfie limited, perhaps is necessary?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Where to go to a break? Listen.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I am no fan of Ikia at all, and I've
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: found another reason not to shop at Ikea.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: That's after the break. Well, Harry and Meghan are in
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the country, and here at.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Late debate, we've got exclusive footage of their arrival in
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: this country way, and I think we can all agree
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: that's all that needs to be said about those two.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Are we good with that? Yes? Move on, all right, fantastic.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about Ikea or I cannot stand going to Ikea.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I would rather go to the dentist.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Here's another reason not to go to ike They have
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: just revoked They're famous three hundred and sixty five day
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: refund policy. It used to be the case that you
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: could purchase something from Ikea, take it home, you could
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: unpack it, set it up, but if within twelve months
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: you decided you didn't want it for whatever reason, you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: could take it back, no questions asked. They've now reviewed
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: that and decided it will be a sixty day refund
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: rather than three hundred and sixty five days. I reckon
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: it's because Australians are less trustworthy in America. It's a
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: ninety day policy in Canada. It's so America is one
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty days, Canada is ninety days. Australians only
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: get sixty days. Maybe too many Aussies were abusing the system.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: Well, I think it was extremely generous for the first place.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: And can I just say it's so famous. But I'd
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: never even was aware of this policy before. And I
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: have I do shop at I Care and Hot Tip James. Yes,
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: they sell stuff online. You don't have to go into
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: the store.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my life is away.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: I've got this thing called the internet now, it's amazing.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: What if it takes Thankes three hundred and sixty five
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: days to follow their ridiculous assembly.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's the problem is it takes more than
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: sixty days to build in the first place.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: That roar to the system.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Well exactly.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Look, let's talk about this because I mean, we made
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: a lot of fun of Donald Trump tonight, but this
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: is part of why we love him.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: He ordered McDonald's to.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: The White House by a door dash of food delivery service,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: and then it was he roped in the door dash
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: delivery woman to talk about his new tax on tips policy,
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: and then somehow tried to get her involved talking about
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: men and women's sport. Let's take a look.
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: They want to have men playing in women's sports. Do
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: you think that men should play in women's sports?
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I really don't have an opinion on that. You don't
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: bet you do.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: No, I'm here about your jacks on tips.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, she handled it well.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, poor woman probably does have an opinion on it,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: but doesn't want to get canceled, which is.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: So I reckon you were slyly flirting with side eye
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: and whatever.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Anyway, it's.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Don't the day and today's entry is a chap by
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: the name of James Joseph Dowling, seventy.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Years old, who was in court in Brisbane the other.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Day because he allegedly used a phrase such as rivet
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: of the sea or globalized the INDFATA, which is now
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: banned in Queensland. And he's up in court for this,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: and so he has told the court, I'd like to
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: plead insanity.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: I think the charge is insane.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Anyone who takes it seriously is a bit sus as well.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And you can imagine how well the magistrate took this.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: She said, that's a right you have, but it will
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: be for you to prove of all the defenses.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I've heard someone run in the court. I'm pleading insanity
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: because I said the wrong thing. Good luck is all I.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Can so deserving dope of the day. That's all we've
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: got time for tonight. Coming up in just a moment
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: is to read a Penety show and then after that
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: a special edition of Newsnight with more on that Chinese
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: ship challenging the US blockade in the Strait of Humus.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Good Night,