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Fridays with Jack Windsor - Ohio's Progressive News Media · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: conversation coming out, Welcome back to the fifty five KRC
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Speaker 1: Morning Show. You'll find him online at the Ohio Pressnetwork
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Speaker 1: dot com. Recommend you book mark that one, Jack Windsor
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, my friend.
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Speaker 2: Happy Friday to you, Brian, thanks for choosing me. Always
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Speaker 2: an honor to be here with you in the fifty
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Speaker 1: And in promoting you were coming up on this segment.
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Speaker 1: I the first hopy gave me has been cracking me
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Speaker 1: up all morning. A head of Eve Ramaswamy on yesterday
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Speaker 1: talking about the campaign and a couple of comments about
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Speaker 1: Amy Acton of course, but primarily focusing on his platform,
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Speaker 1: which is I think brilliant. Amy Actings nowhere to be found.
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Speaker 1: She seems to be running a doctor or a Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden kind of campaign, doesn't answer questions, she doesn't appear
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Speaker 1: before reporters, And here Jack windsor tea leaf reading. How
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Speaker 1: likely is it that Amy Acting will be debating Viva Ramaswami,
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Speaker 1: Jack windsor.
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Speaker 2: Snowballs chance in Haiti. Yes, it's not going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Well, and you've got a real problem on your hands.
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Speaker 1: Topic one Jack Amy Acting's mom basically calling her a liar,
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Speaker 1: saying your own campaign ads not true.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so this is single sourced and I want to
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Speaker 2: make sure that I put that out in front. So
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Speaker 2: Acting has an ad out there. The campaign released an
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Speaker 2: ad and titled it. I think it's actually titled ten
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Speaker 2: and it opens in Amy's voice. I think it was
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Speaker 2: somewhere off Route seven. I was twelve, we were living
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Speaker 2: in a tent and Ramaswami had been on air since March,
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Speaker 2: so this was her first spot. And I think it
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Speaker 2: was July twenty eighth. And the campaign wouldn't say what
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Speaker 2: it cost or where it ran, just that it starts
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Speaker 2: a multi million dollar campaign. Well, the interesting part is
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Speaker 2: what has sat in clear view you for about six
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Speaker 2: years now, and nobody in the Ohio media. I don't
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Speaker 2: think has touched it. Maybe they have. If they have,
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Speaker 2: I will apologize and own the apology to that person
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Speaker 2: or that outlet. But in June twenty twenty, a group
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Speaker 2: called Operation Rescue published an interview with Acton's estranged mother,
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Speaker 2: and she disputed the account directly. Never homeless. She said
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Speaker 2: they always had food. Instead of eighteen different places, there
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Speaker 2: were four houses before she remarried two moves after. And
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Speaker 2: so I want to be precise because it's important. This
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Speaker 2: is her mother's account, but it is in direct opposition
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Speaker 2: to what Amy Acton is saying on the campaign trail.
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Speaker 1: Well, I would argue one hundred and eighty degrees different, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean him, moms said it. Somebody's got to be right,
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Speaker 1: somebody's got to be wrong here.
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Speaker 2: So anyhow, and this is where I think you and
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Speaker 2: I probably share, I mean, we share a lot of
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Speaker 2: common ground anyway. But the question behind the question that
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Speaker 2: should be asked to Amy Acton is why aren't outlets
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Speaker 2: asking it? What? Why is no one asking Amy acting Hey,
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Speaker 2: doctor Acton, your mom said back in twenty twenty to
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Speaker 2: Operation Rescue, a reporter by the name of Cheryl Sollinger
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Speaker 2: that this whole claim about living intens is false. Can
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Speaker 2: you elaborate? What do you say about that? And maybe
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Speaker 2: they have I've heard some scuttle butt that maybe on
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Speaker 2: the campaign trail, at a podium in front of people
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Speaker 2: who are amenable to her, she might be talking about, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, I was abused and estranged from my mom.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I will never make fun of
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Speaker 2: abuse allegations. That's a serious thing. But you know, somebody
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Speaker 2: should be asking that question of amy acting well.
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Speaker 1: And you know I would encourage my listeners also to
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Speaker 1: look at her credentials. Yeah, I understand that. You know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes we like people who don't aren't, don't have prior
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Speaker 1: political experience. They're outsiders, they're not connected to the machine.
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Speaker 1: But she has been involved with obviously as a medical
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Speaker 1: director here in Ohio, she's the lockdown person. But in
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Speaker 1: terms of other areas of government, in terms of her background,
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Speaker 1: I question her qualifications. I'm not going to say she's
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Speaker 1: an ignorant person. She made it through medical school and
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Speaker 1: she has a license to practice medicine. But beyond that,
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Speaker 1: and this is no criticism my personal primary care physician,
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Speaker 1: good morning doctor. I don't know that he'd be the
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Speaker 1: first person I think of to run the entire system
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Speaker 1: of government here in the state of Ohio. At least
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Speaker 1: bvik Ramaswami has navigated all there is to know about,
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Speaker 1: you know, building and building successful businesses, the regulatory hurdles,
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Speaker 1: the problems that go along with it. I mean, he's
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Speaker 1: got a very broad background which suggests he has the
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Speaker 1: credentials to be governor. I don't see him in her record.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, touche at number one. Number two. I'm
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Speaker 2: not telling you Amy acton light about her childhood. There's
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Speaker 2: a contradiction. It needs to be asked. And I'm not
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Speaker 2: telling you that she's not qualified to be a doctor,
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Speaker 2: but I'm telling you there's stuff that the press is
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Speaker 2: not writing about talking about. Let's remember she quit in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the pandemic, and she quit because she
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Speaker 2: didn't want to sign orders. And at least two separate
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Speaker 2: Ohio courts came out and called what she was doing arbitrary, overstepping,
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Speaker 2: and that she didn't have the authority. And then you'll
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Speaker 2: remember the legislature checked her as well. They passed to
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Speaker 2: build the wine, vitoed it, they overrode the veto, and
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Speaker 2: now we know lots of what she talked about masks,
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Speaker 2: social distancing, those things. When you look at the Fauci diaries,
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Speaker 2: the email dump, and now the phone, everything that she
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Speaker 2: stood on in her area of expertise has really kind
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Speaker 2: of crumbled under her. And so you know, you look
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Speaker 2: at here's a woman who public health was her area
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Speaker 2: of expertise, and it really seems like she got it wrong.
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Speaker 1: And so going back to the author I just had on,
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Speaker 1: she fell in line. You know, use the mask as
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Speaker 1: that one illustration, my favorite one because any doctor, I
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Speaker 1: would argue or imagine he at least has the access
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Speaker 1: to the resources which will tell you how big a
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen virus molecule is. Right, Yes, it's in expressed
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Speaker 1: in whatever size that minuscule particles expressed, and then you
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Speaker 1: can certainly find out the information because a lot of
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Speaker 1: people were saying this out loud, only to be demonized
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Speaker 1: and ridiculed. The virus will go through a cloth mask.
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Speaker 1: The virus molecules are smaller than the space in between
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Speaker 1: the weaving on a mask. I joke about it all
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Speaker 1: the time. It's like throwing sand at a chain link fence.
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Speaker 1: It's going to go Most of it will go right
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Speaker 1: through she had that information, she could have used her
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Speaker 1: logic and reasoning and medical background to look into that
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Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I can't recommend masks because
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Speaker 1: they're going to be annoying and they won't help you well.
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Speaker 2: And if she didn't have that information, she could have
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Speaker 2: had access to the experts. I interviewed an industrial hygienist
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Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty who had given testimony over four
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Speaker 2: hundred times as as a legal expert, and we think
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Speaker 2: about industrial hygienis their area of expertise is removing talks
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Speaker 2: and from the environment, and he stated clearly, not only
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Speaker 2: does surgical masks not work, but the bad news is
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Speaker 2: n ninety five masks don't work unless you staple them
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Speaker 2: to your face. And you're not going to staple them
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Speaker 2: to your face, and it's not going to stop the spread.
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Speaker 2: And then we would look at the data. If you'll remember,
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Speaker 2: Ohio's cases were actually going down, and then when the
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Speaker 2: mask mandate went in place, we had our worst run
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Speaker 2: during the mask mandate, and the Ohio Investigative Unit was
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Speaker 2: telling us back then that we had ninety percent compliance.
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Speaker 2: So if there was ninety percent compliance in masks, stopped
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Speaker 2: the virus. They would have stopped the virus and they didn't,
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Speaker 2: so you know. And by the way, there are lots
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Speaker 2: of little examples like that that we could spend days
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Speaker 2: talking about Brian, but these are the things that go
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Speaker 2: back to her area of expertise, and neither she nor
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Speaker 2: Governor Mike Dwine. We're listening to the real experts.
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Speaker 1: Back then in the Jack wins Or High Pressnetwork dot
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Speaker 1: com at the Ohio Press Network dot com. We're going
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Speaker 1: to find out a sort of continuing the theme here
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Speaker 1: about why media isn't asking questions of Amy acton what
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Speaker 1: about Ohio's basically progressive news media generally speaking? Jack on
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Speaker 1: that topic, plus John Hughes said, is he in trouble?
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Speaker 1: I hate to think that he is, but we'll talk
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Speaker 1: with Jack about that as well. Coming up, don't go
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Speaker 1: away fifty five KARC dot com talk station. It is
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Speaker 1: eight forty on a Friday, the Happy One to you.
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Speaker 1: Ryan Thomas here with Jack Windsor from the Ohio Pressnetwork
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Speaker 1: dot com. Got some great news articles there on the website,
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Speaker 1: and of course Jack Winsor writes some of them himself.
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Speaker 1: Check it out and let's talk now, Well, you're not
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Speaker 1: a progressive media outlet there, Jack Windsor, you actually do
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Speaker 1: things from sort of my mindset, more libertarian viewpoints of live,
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Speaker 1: limited government, free markets. We all know where you're coming from,
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Speaker 1: and I approve of it. But that certainly isn't the
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Speaker 1: case with the larger media outlets generally speaking, which we
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Speaker 1: all love to call the mainstream media, and we all
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Speaker 1: know that they are biased to the left is as
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Speaker 1: much as they can possibly be. It's almost like their
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Speaker 1: editorialist or op ed people in news anymore.
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Speaker 2: Jack, Yes, absolutely, And so when you think about where
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Speaker 2: we are right now, you have people who listen to
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Speaker 2: this show, you have people who read outlets, and we're
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Speaker 2: getting really close to a big general election, and most people, Brian,
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Speaker 2: even those that are in the know about politics, they
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Speaker 2: live their lives, They raise kids, they work, they take
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Speaker 2: care of, you know, their houses, whatever, and so it's
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Speaker 2: hard for people to really understand where's the good information
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Speaker 2: that I can get about a candidate about an issue
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Speaker 2: to make an informed, proper decision given my worldview, right,
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Speaker 2: And so that's why the free press is so important.
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Speaker 2: And I began looking at Ohio's footprint, and I'll lay
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Speaker 2: a few things out for you today and you can
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Speaker 2: ask whatever questions you'd like. And I'll give you one example.
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Speaker 2: But I've been looking at this landscape for a few
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Speaker 2: years and what's happening in Ohio is very interesting. There
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Speaker 2: are a few small sites, and I'll give you two examples.
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Speaker 2: One is called the Ohio Capital Journal, and by its
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Speaker 2: own admission, it is a principal progressive commentary site. So
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Speaker 2: they provide commentary. Now, a lot of newsrooms take some
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Speaker 2: of that commentary and treat it like hard news. And
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Speaker 2: that small outlet has created a big pipeline news Channel
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Speaker 2: five in Cleveland, Cincinnati dot com, Cleveland dot com, this
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Speaker 2: in Dusky Register. A lot of outlets use or repurpose
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Speaker 2: that information, which we know is progressive commentary. There's another
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Speaker 2: small outlet. It's called Tiffanohio dot net. Looks like your
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Speaker 2: hometown paper, but it isn't. And you know, per its
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Speaker 2: own own terms of service, it's operated by an Illinois
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Speaker 2: LLC headquartered in Chicago, and it's a for profit and
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Speaker 2: per its own fact check policy. Articles may be enhanced
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Speaker 2: by generative AI tools. So live pages carry this label
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Speaker 2: that it's generated by north Star AI. Brian that's their
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Speaker 2: disclosure on their website and you go, well, why does
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Speaker 2: that matter? And we can get into some of the
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Speaker 2: weeds on that, but it matters because that outlet was
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Speaker 2: actually put together by a guy who also built the
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Speaker 2: Seneca County Democrat Party website, who worked for Shared Brown's campaign,
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Speaker 2: who worked for Barack Obama, and so you have now
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Speaker 2: this little AI machine that creates these small progressive propaganda
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Speaker 2: pieces that can get out to other newsrooms. And I actually,
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Speaker 2: before I went on air with you today, the reason
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Speaker 2: why this matters I'm bringing this around the barn is
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Speaker 2: I had a listener reach out to me and say, hey,
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Speaker 2: I've seen Senate candidate Shared Brown refer to Tiffanohio dot
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Speaker 2: net in those short thirty to sixty second videos that
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Speaker 2: he posts online. So they put this content out. You
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Speaker 2: have a character like Shared Brown who sources that content
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Speaker 2: acts like it's a legitimate news story. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they're legitimate or not legitimate. I'm
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Speaker 2: just saying that they have some issues that are not disclosed,
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Speaker 2: or if they are disclosed, people aren't really talking about it.
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Speaker 2: And that's how this progressive news machine operates here in Ohio.
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Speaker 2: And it's pretty concerning to me. I hope that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: It does make sense, And you're obviously talking about how
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Speaker 1: you discern between what might be a reasonably reliable news
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Speaker 1: source and one that might be filled with bias. So
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Speaker 1: you have to know like you do about that particular
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Speaker 1: AI modeling company, which is built into its modeling biased
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Speaker 1: toward left wing progressive if you want to call it propaganda.
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Speaker 1: So okay, I immediately in my mind, then I'm going
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Speaker 1: to factor that in the equation while I'm reading it. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's got inherent built in bias towards the left. Maybe
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Speaker 1: there's someplace else I should go to see if there's
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Speaker 1: alternative viewpoints or information about that topic that's applying logic
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Speaker 1: and reason and common sense into selecting what we want
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Speaker 1: to believe or not. But the other component of that,
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Speaker 1: and this is the frightening one. You just kind of
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Speaker 1: got into the whole concept of this death loop. They
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Speaker 1: create this content, others then cite it and rely upon it.
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Speaker 1: Then it becomes shared Brown's statement, which has an air
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Speaker 1: of legitimacy beyond an AI created model summary, and then
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Speaker 1: people repeat that and all of those articles about each
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Speaker 1: and everyone that relied on that ultimate bottom line source
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Speaker 1: are then fed into the artificial intelligence modeling, and so
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Speaker 1: it creates that death loop. You're going to get the
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Speaker 1: same crap over and over again when you find out, well,
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Speaker 1: the original crap that you got was built on inherent
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Speaker 1: bias and wasn't looking at all the actual facts.
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Speaker 2: Hmmm, So, Brian, you really struck a nerve with me
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Speaker 2: in a good way. So I had some interactions with
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Speaker 2: a reporter at this outlet, and I want to tell
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Speaker 2: you how that went, and then if we have time,
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Speaker 2: maybe after the break, I can tell you exactly an
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Speaker 2: example of what you just described. It's happening to the
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Speaker 2: Bakramswami right now. But I digress. Going back to this
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Speaker 2: interaction I had with a reporter at this outlet, it
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Speaker 2: seemed that the way that he was interacting with me
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Speaker 2: wasn't human, and so I asked for a phone call.
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Speaker 2: Would not have a phone call with me, and so
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Speaker 2: then I eventually straight up asked are you AI would
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Speaker 2: not answer, and I asked on the record whether they
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Speaker 2: have communications or coordination with the Ohio Democrat Party Amy Acton,
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Speaker 2: David Pepper shared Brown they refused to disclose that interestingly,
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Speaker 2: I then ACT asked acton Pepper Brown, and they have
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Speaker 2: not answered me either, And so every one of those
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Speaker 2: questions they'd fire at a Republican officeholder without blinking. I've
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Speaker 2: asked them and they won't answer, but they will continue
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Speaker 2: to publish content. And I'm going to stop there, and
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Speaker 2: then if we have time, I can give you a
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Speaker 2: real world example of how this this just happened to
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Speaker 2: the viak Ramswami.
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Speaker 1: I call that a great tease for the next segment.
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Speaker 1: Jack Windsor, everybody, don't go away. We'll do one more
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Speaker 1: with him before we close the show out this week.
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Speaker 2: Fifty five KARC the talk station.
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Speaker 1: We are six fifty fifty five KRCD Talk Station, Brian
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Speaker 1: Thomas with Ohio the Ohio Press Networks, Jack Windsor. Jack
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Speaker 1: and I were talking about the reporting in the media.
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Speaker 1: Of course, when you throw in AI and get that
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Speaker 1: what I called a death loop. Jack, I seem to
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Speaker 1: recall a story and I was talking about it with
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Speaker 1: someone on the radio. Maybe it was Dave Hatter, but
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Speaker 1: there was reddit. They created a lie Donald Trump was
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Speaker 1: dead or something like that. He died of I don't know.
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Speaker 1: He was bitten by a rabid cockroach. It was just
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Speaker 1: an outlandish statement. But by repeating it over and over
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Speaker 1: again and then going out into the world, these nefarious
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Speaker 1: people on Reddit that have nothing better to do but
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Speaker 1: just test the system, and it turns out that they
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Speaker 1: did test the system improved us. If you say something
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Speaker 1: often enough, artificial intelligence will then adopt it as true.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And so when you typed in about Donald Trump being
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Speaker 1: is dead, they would spit out an article or a
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Speaker 1: conclusions in its AI format that yes, it's true, or
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Speaker 1: it would just say yeah, Donald Trump got bit by
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Speaker 1: a rabbit, cockroach or whatever, as stating it as though
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Speaker 1: it was fact, just because it had been repeated so
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Speaker 1: many times. The same kind of thing going on here, Jack.
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Speaker 2: It is. Let me give you a real quick example.
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Speaker 2: The Democrat Governor's Association. You've probably seen this one is
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Speaker 2: running a brand new ad that accuses of akram Aswami
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Speaker 2: of peddling a drug to alzheim patients. But there's a
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Speaker 2: documented problem with that that I covered on my show yesterday.
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Speaker 2: A product that was never sold cannot be pedled to patients.
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Speaker 2: And so you go, well, where did this come from? Well,
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Speaker 2: look back, it would have been the week of August
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Speaker 2: thirteenth through the twentieth, or you know that seven day span,
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Speaker 2: there was a sub stack post that attacked Ramaswami on
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Speaker 2: that point. Within a few days, at least three Tiff
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Speaker 2: and Ohio articles were published. Then it becomes a press
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Speaker 2: release on Amy Acton's campaign website. Then it's a Democrat
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Speaker 2: Governor's Association television ad. So you have the same story,
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Speaker 2: slightly different angle each time it's published until it's on
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Speaker 2: your TV as paid advertising. And I documented every step
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Speaker 2: of this yesterday with the URLs and everything, and you know, listen,
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Speaker 2: I get it. In campaigns, you have political speech. You
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Speaker 2: have the First Amendment right as a candidate or as
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Speaker 2: a campaign to political speech. But this is a little
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Speaker 2: bit concerning because it is that death loop right here.
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Speaker 2: They relied on some sub stack post from an anonymous user,
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Speaker 2: turned it into three news stories that went to act
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Speaker 2: and site, and now the Democrat Governor's Association is trumpeting
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Speaker 2: it as if it's real news and it's provably false. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's concerned.
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Speaker 1: Well, and then going back to your point about the media,
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Speaker 1: the real media would ask the questions is this true?
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Speaker 1: Did you do this? And a real candidate would actually
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Speaker 1: answer questions from a real media. None of that's going
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Speaker 1: on though, Jack and by Heiden is not going on,
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Speaker 1: And by pulling a bid when hanging out in the
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Speaker 1: basement ignoring the media, they don't have to answer these questions.
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Speaker 1: And so this lie, this, this this doom loop crap
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Speaker 1: is floating around out there, benefiting her to the detriment
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Speaker 1: of vivik Ramaswamy. And it shouldn't because it's not true.
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Speaker 2: That's right. And by the way, I will talk about
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Speaker 2: this at a later time, because this problem is bigger
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Speaker 2: than vi vike Ramaswami and John Houstad. It's able for
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Speaker 2: people like me, it will eventually be a problem for
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Speaker 2: people like you. Oh, this is now an AI generative
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Speaker 2: machine that will get turned against people who don't march
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Speaker 2: in lockstep with this progressive agenda. And I hate to
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Speaker 2: say it as a scare tactic. I don't mean it
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Speaker 2: to be that way. I've been in the sights of
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Speaker 2: this multiple times, and I will be again today. Actually
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Speaker 2: funny enough, and talk about that later. But this is
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Speaker 2: a real issue and people need to be aware of it.
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Speaker 1: It is, but that's the part that allows them to
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Speaker 1: get away with the nefarious crap they're doing because people
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Speaker 1: are afraid of being in the crossairs of that. What
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Speaker 1: does it mean to be in the crossairs of their ire?
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Speaker 1: I just figured it means they were runn around saying
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Speaker 1: bad things about me. But you know what, Jack, by
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Speaker 1: not participating, by not engaging in social media and not
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Speaker 1: reading literally anything there is or maybe out there about me,
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Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with it. What else are
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Speaker 1: they going to do for me other than say bad
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Speaker 1: things about me? You know, let them?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, listen, not to get super spiritual
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Speaker 2: on you, but you know, our lives are testimonies, right, yeah,
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Speaker 2: And when we do something wrong, the best we can
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Speaker 2: do is own our shortcomings and say, hey, you know,
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Speaker 2: by God's grace, I've gotten better at this area in
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Speaker 2: my life. And then when we come up against buzzsaws
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Speaker 2: like this, where they take half truths or sometimes you know,
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Speaker 2: patently false information and trumpet it as the truth, you know,
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Speaker 2: people get to see how you handle it. And when
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Speaker 2: I get attacked like this, I actually look at it now.
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Speaker 2: I know this is going to sound weird. I look
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Speaker 2: at it now as an opportunity for me to build
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Speaker 2: hope in other people that they don't have to shut down,
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Speaker 2: they don't have to feel guilt, blame or shame for
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Speaker 2: being painted as a villain with half true or blatantly
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Speaker 2: false information. And my hope is that people will stand
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Speaker 2: up against this because that's what it's going to take.
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Speaker 1: Jack Winds are well stated