Latest / The Sean O'Connell Show / Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 11-10-26

Transcript

Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 11-10-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, everybody.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: 92 on FM. Glad to be with you here on
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: another beautiful November day. And yes, still basking in the
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: glory of Utah winning the Holy War. even as we
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: start to turn the page toward a very tough contest
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: against the university of Arizona, what happened in the holy
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: war is having a significant fallout, at least conversationally perception
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: wise around the big 12 conference around Utah in particular,
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: we'll get into some of that more today. Gordie chase
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: is going to give us a little NBA basketball update,
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: but looking forward to that red and blue. I imagine
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: I will sound terribly smug on red and blue this edition.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: I will try to avoid that because I love me
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: some Jerem Jordan. He's awesome, and I think that as
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: far as the state media of BYU is concerned, I
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: think that he does a really good job of.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: understanding where everything is supposed to be.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: And I think it's important, even though, you know, you
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: get to dunk on your BYU friends. I think it's
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: important to realize that that's a good BYU football team.
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: And actually you want them to look like an excellent
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: BYU football team down the stretch. You want BYU to
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: be a top 10 team at the end of the season.
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: And when the rankings happen, because then Utah has got
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: that win over a top 10 team. Now the playoff
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: committee is going to generate some more rankings this afternoon
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: and we'll see how far by you fell for losing
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: to the university of utah and for that being the
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: second loss they've sustained in this big 12 conference and
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: the one that i mean i don't think people are
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: going to be overly punitive about because utah is a
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: really good team and should come in number two in
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: these playoff rankings tonight but You want BYU to maintain
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: some level of dignity in these rankings so that your
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: win over them looks better. I saw Jerem actually tweeting
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: earlier that one playoff predictor model has BYU if they
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: win out with, and that's without making the conference championship game,
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: which is going to be really, really hard for them
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: at this point. The thought is that BYU would be
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: like a 98% playoff team That's crazy. That shows you
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: the value of that Notre Dame win, really. Because BYU
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: beating Arizona on the road, it's a good one.
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: It's a nice win. That was on the road, right?
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: I think that was on the road.
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: But the one that really boosts the resume and bolsters
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: the resume is Notre Dame, especially now that Notre Dame
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: beat Miami.
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: So.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: BYU likely to be, in my opinion, a college football
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: playoff team. They've got Baylor, Kansas, and Cincinnati. Baylor looks
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: like a different team after firing Dave Aranda and becoming re-energized,
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: and they've put up some more points recently. They are 6-3.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: They are 4-2 in the Big 12 Conference, so they're
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: flying under the radar just a little bit. But they've
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: scored 41 and 42 points in the last two weeks. Now,
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: that was against UCF on the road and against Iowa State.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: And we talked about this at the beginning of the
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: year with Baylor. Baylor's last three weeks of the season
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: are an absolute gauntlet. At Provo, at BYU, home against
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, on the road in their rivalry game against Houston.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: Ranked, ranked, ranked.
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: And I think more importantly, ranked and good, ranked and good,
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: ranked and good. There's some ranked teams in the country
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: still that are three and four loss teams. This one
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: is a tough schedule down the stretch for Baylor, but
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: I'm still a believer in BYU. I don't think Bear
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: Bachmeier has another game where he throws four picks. I
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: don't think that They're going to abuse the newly found
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: health of LJ Martin. So if he didn't re aggravate
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: anything against the university of Utah, I imagine that you
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: see a better version of him against Baylor. I imagine
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: that you continue to see a better version of him
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: down the stretch. I don't think you need him as
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: much against teams like Kansas and Cincinnati, but if BYU
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: is a playoff team, then Utah is absolutely a playoff team.
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: And of course they're in control of their own destiny.
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: They might be a first round by playoff team. If go,
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: if things go chalk the rest of the way, it's
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: going to be Utah versus Texas tech in a conference
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: championship game, a little bit of a revenge game, possibly there.
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: Although you won't get revenge.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: Against the same quarterback who beat you up last year,
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: you'll get revenge against a Florida State transfer, this Castellanos
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: guy who's come in for Texas Tech and was an
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: 11th-hour addition to their roster and at one point was
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: going to be disallowed and then was allowed.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: He has been really, really good recently for Texas Tech.
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: And we are unfortunately in a strange time in college
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: football history where the final Big 12 championship game is
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: coming up. The final 12-team college football playoff is coming up.
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: If this were next year, guys, gals, if this were
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: next year, we would be in a really weird place
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: where Morgan Scali and his coaching staff would be looking at, hey,
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: if we get one more win in these last three,
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: we're in the 2014 playoff.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: So who do we want to rest? Who do we
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: want to be careful with?
• 6:24
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: that is my biggest problem with the expanded 2014 college
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: football playoff is that there is going, there are going
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: to be decisions made down the stretch next year where
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: like Notre Dame's not going to start CJ car. They're
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: going to be like, Oh yeah, we're already in the playoff.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: We see the NFL do this.
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: And that's the only reason I, I feel confident in
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: saying that college football is going to do it also
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: because NFL teams do. And I don't, I don't know
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: how much seating is going to matter. We'll probably have
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: to get a feel for that. I remember when the
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: 12 team college football playoff was announced, I was beyond
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: certain that the first round by teams, we're going to
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: have this massive advantage because everyone has so many bumps
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: and bruises. And that week of rest was going to
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: give them a distinct advantage.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: Your three best opponents of the year are going to
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: be at the end of your season. I was like,
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: anyone who gets that rest there is going to have
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: a distinct advantage, and it has not worked out that way.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: So there's still some unpredictable stuff to work out with this.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, this might be the
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: last truly great regular season of college football. Maybe we
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: end up liking the expanded college football playoff more. Maybe
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: we all jump on the bandwagon that Morgan Scali expressed
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: to us. Like, Hey, I'm always, he said, I'm in
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: favor of figuring it out on the field. And in
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: the college football playoff, more teams have an opportunity to
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: do that. More teams have an opportunity to actually compete
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: for the national championship at the end.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not optimistic. I'm not a hundred percent on board
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: with the idea that this is going to become the
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: football version of March madness. where we're just like, Oh, sweet.
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: We've got a 24 versus one upset. We've got a
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: 22 versus three upset.
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: I just, I have a hard time believing that that
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: is going to work out the same way it does
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: in basketball, but my mind is open. This might though
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: be the final great regular season for of college football.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: And maybe I'm giving this season too much credit because
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: we're all optimistic about the Utes and we're all happy
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: about what's going on with Devin Dampier and company. Maybe
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: we already witnessed in the PAC 12 era or something,
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: the final great regular season of college football. Maybe that
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: happened before the NIL era and that happened before the
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: transfer portal era.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: But it feels right now.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: Like, we are witnessing the last season of college football playoff,
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: of a tight race in the college football playoff. That
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: means you've got to play everybody every week. You can't,
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: quote unquote, afford to lose games. It's a weird place
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: to be, especially when you're sitting at the top looking down.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: Knocking on wood that Utah gets to stay there. 877-353-0700.
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: We did not really spend time on this yesterday because
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: Utah beating BYU was, of.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Course, going to dominate. our conversation.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: But, you know, in the same breath, we got the
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: announcement after one of the biggest weekends in college football,
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: at least for 2026. And one of the bigger ones
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: I can remember in the last two or three seasons
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: was We got an announcement that it is official now
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: and that the ESPN 2014 college football playoff is in place.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: I was listening to the Dan Patrick show before our
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: show yesterday and his quote unquote sources were giving him
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: numbers and his numbers worked out to 30% of the
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: yearly revenue is going to go to the big 10,
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: 30% of the playoff revenue is going to go to
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: the sec 9% to the group of six and And
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: that leaves 31% to be divided between the ACC and
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: the big 12, which I suppose should be done evenly.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: And maybe that $ 31 million, maybe like a million gets
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: lopped off the top of that because you got to
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: pay for, you know, advertising and expenses.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: What it translates to is the big 12 and the
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: ACC are getting half of what the big 10 and
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: the sec get, which is kind of where you're sitting
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: at right now. So while you have increased access to
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: the college football playoff, according to the financial model that
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: is allegedly attached to this expanded playoff, even if there's
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: more access, it doesn't necessarily translate to more income. And
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: those two things are so directly related to one another. Now,
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you can find there being an
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: advantage between as, I mean, I guess if you're TCU,
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: if you're Utah, if you're wake forest, you're like, oh, cool.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: This means that there's more chances for me to compete
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: for a national championship, but you're still going to have
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: to compete for a national championship falling on a budget
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: on half the operating costs of what your counterparts in
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: the big 10 and the sec can do.
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, see one question I have with this.
• 12:08
  Speaker 5: And I guess we may not know till it plays
• 12:12
  Speaker 5: out till next year after next year's first 2014 playoff.
• 12:19
  Speaker 5: But does that mean that even if the big 12
• 12:24
  Speaker 5: and or the ACC have vastly more teams than the
• 12:28
  Speaker 5: big 10 or SEC that there's even in that scenario,
• 12:32
  Speaker 5: there's still not an opportunity to make more money. Is
• 12:35
  Speaker 5: that a way to make more money to have more
• 12:38
  Speaker 5: teams than these than the super conferences, if you will,
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: big 10 and sec, or is it just because that's
• 12:45
  Speaker 5: a percentage if Texas is the only, which isn't going
• 12:49
  Speaker 5: to happen, but if Texas and Ohio state are the
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: only two teams that make it next year, sure. They're
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: still one school's going to get 30. Well, I'm going
• 12:57
  Speaker 5: to get that 30%. Is that how that.
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Works or how, how do I wish I had, I
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: wish I had a detailed, yeah, like breakdown of this.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm, I'm, I'm operating off of a certain amount
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: of trust that Dan Patrick sources are way better than mine.
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: And like, he doesn't come to air with things that
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: he doesn't think so. And typically that's the case with DP.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: What is going to be a realistic model of how
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: this thing plays out, right?
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: Is okay.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: 60% of the revenue is going to the big 10
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: and the sec. We can count on at least 60%
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: of the teams in the college football player being big
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: 10 and sec teams. Now, do they do it where
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: if that total 60%, well, the sec has a down
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: year and instead of them, you know, being 30% of
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: the field, they're only 20% of the field that year.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: And the big 10 is 40% of the 2014 field
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: that year. Do they still get the 30% each? Yeah. I,
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: and maybe, I don't know. Is it going to be,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: if you take, it's five years, $ 1. 7 billion, right?
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just trying to think, is there some
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: kind of way that the Big 12 and ACC can
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: buck the system and, you know, turn out to be
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: even financially more favorable than what is projected right now
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: based on DP's sources here?
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: I wonder.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: You said buck the system, right? Yeah, buck the trend,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: buck the system. Yeah, yeah.
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, careful with those, with those four letter words.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: That end in, I was like, did I hear that properly?
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: Uh, can they look, I, I imagine. Oh, see, I
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: don't use that kind of language. You know that about me.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: I imagine. Well, sometimes, sometimes it can happen on accident.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Um, I imagine there has to be, I mean, there
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: has to be some, um, some distribution revenue distribution based on,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: are you in the playoff or not?
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Based on merit in some way. And, and if you're
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: a big 12, if we're going to get 15%, it's,
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: it's about works out to about $ 340 million per year
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: to be given out across the landscape of college football,
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: a five year, $ 1.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: 7 billion deal.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Spence check. It's even 15% is still
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Even 15% of people don't like cilantro in the world.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: There's still a lot of people. All right. So same
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: thing with applies to here. That works out to $ 51 million.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: 15% of that three 40 is $ 51 million. So if
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: the big 12 is getting $ 51 million from a playoff,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: or I guess that's, is that $ 51 million going to
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: whoever's in the playoff only?
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Is that in this year, let's say probably up to
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: the conferences to decide.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I imagine they just spread it out.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I think a 2014 playoff this year would include Utah, BYU,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Texas tech, and probably Houston.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Although some of those teams might play each other. Maybe
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma state sneaks into the conversation, whatever.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Let's say maybe.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Arizona currently right to Arizona. So they're going to get
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: their third loss on Saturday.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: So we'll see.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: So let's say you get four teams in, in a
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: 24 team playoff. Can you count on getting four teams
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: in a 24 team playoff? I think that's what this
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: model is planning for, right? Where there's probably seven teams
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: from the ACC and big 12 combined. And then there's
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: eight teams from.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Probably 10 C This year, it would be more likely SEC. Yeah, SEC, right?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: And then Big Ten, the rest. And Notre Dame, the rest.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: So you've got eight from Big Ten, seven or eight
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: from SEC. Notre Dame becomes the... And then the group
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: is six. And then you get a group of six
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: and seven from the... So let's say that this committee
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: is planning on, there's probably going to be three or
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: four Big 12 teams in the playoff every single year.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: All right, Utah, now the expectation becomes next year, the
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: expectation is you're in the college football playoff every single year.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: It is the new, hey, you're a tournament team. You
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: got to be at least that. That's now the expectation
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: for BYU. That's now the expectation for Utah. That's now
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the expectation for Texas Tech. Now, if that's $ 51.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Million for the Big 12's share, based on the model
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: that we were told, And you're one of the three.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Is it 51 million divided up between three? Or is
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: it you each get 10 and the remaining 21 million
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: gets distributed across the Big 12 conference as some sort
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of like communist group share? It feels more likely that
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that would be the case, right?
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be spread around all the schools in some way.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: You would hope that the teams who actually made the playoffs,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: that second scenario you brought up, would be the more
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: likely thing. But it could just be an even... share
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: across the 16 teams too.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: We, we don't know. So I'm fascinated by this.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: And I guess my question for you, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: zero 700. Will it change the way that you perceive
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Utah football, your expectation for Utah football, what you want
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: them to chase? Like I'm going to feel a heck
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: of a lot better about a 2014 playoff because of
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: how my twisted brain works. I'm going to feel a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: heck of a lot better about a 2014 playoff if
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Utah makes it in a 12-team format first. If Utah
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: becomes a playoff team because they expand the college football
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: playoff field, I'm not going to feel as good about
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that as if we get to say, yeah, they're in
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the playoff again now that it's 24 teams. But remember,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: they also got a first-round buy as a 12-team. They
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: would have been in as a four-team playoff in that
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: 2026 year. At Real OC Sports, 877-353-0700. Jake says, 98%
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: chance to make the playoff for BYU smells fishy. That
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: assumes Utah wins the conference championship game. There's a greater
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: than 2% chance Utah does not win that game. The
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: champion plus Utah likely get in in that scenario. BYU
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: would need some dominoes to fall their way. Well, one
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: of those dominoes is Utah winning out. And Utah winning
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: out is what these computer models expect. Utah is favored
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: in all of their remaining games. Now, we know that
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the possibility of Utah dropping. one of these remaining games
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: is there. Some of you might think it's actually likely.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Some people might think that, well, the conference championship game
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: would be the one that you would drop.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: If you win the rest of your regular season games,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: like Vegas and the models predict that you would.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: You're in the college football playoff.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Even if you lose the conference championship game, you're in
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scali and his team can't think about it that way.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: We can, if you're a BYU fan, you're now in
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: this really uncomfortable spot where you want that to be
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Utah's destiny. You want Utah to win out and go undefeated,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: win the conference championship. And then, and then you're only, well,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: one of your only two losses is to, at that point,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: probably the number one ranked team in the country.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe the number two ranked team in the country. If
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you talk and finish out that way, like, geez, I can't,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling comfortable even vocalizing that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: And it's, it all feels, it feels uncomfortable doing that
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: before we know how this Saturday's game is going to
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: work out too. Cause Arizona is a good team. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: this one is not at rice Eccles stadium. So there's
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: that too, for me, where it's like, man, I, I
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: don't want to think about Utah going undefeated, even in
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: the regular season until we know they can make it
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: out of Tucson alive, which they're favored to do so
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: and should expect them to do so. But Arizona has
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: something to say about that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Our guy, Rich Clark is on a TV right now
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: talking about why we have a 2014 playoff coming that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: nobody asked for. But I look, I think like all
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: these other things in college football, we're going to eventually
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: get used to it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: We're going to jump on board. One of the hardest things.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: for people to get used to was NIL and constant transfer.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: It has worked out very nicely for both Utah and BYU.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And even Utah state has done, has had some benefit
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: from the transfer portal. It's cost Utah state more than
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: it's added to Utah state, in my opinion. But I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: think there were a lot of us who were hesitant
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to believe that Utah could capitalize on that change and
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And benefit from that change. And for the most part,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: it has been a net gain in the transfer portal
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: being a thing for the University of Utah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Even more so when you consider what we touched on yesterday,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: that we've had guys leave Salt Lake City for a
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: year and then come back next year. Not necessarily guys
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: who've had huge roles coming back, but it's like you
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: lost those guys, but you didn't end up really losing them.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the best players on this
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: year's team offensively, if you took pagan transfer, Parker transfer,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: damn peer.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Transfer off of this offense, do they have that? They
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: might look more like Utah state this year than they
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: look like Utah this year.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Aside from the offensive line, how many touchdowns?
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So bird Ficklin has three touchdowns this year. Sammy Talanga
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: has scored. Sammy's not a transfer, right?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Text us.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: If you know more than we do, we'll try to look.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: At Hunter Andrews has scored, but the bulk of your
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: touchdowns have come from transfer students.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Transfer players, right?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: So look, it was hard for us to get on
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: board with thinking that that would be a good thing
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: for Utah football because the obvious on paper comparatives, you're
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: just like, oh my gosh, well, every great Utah player
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is going to get a phone call from Oregon. They're
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: going to get a phone call from Michigan. They're going
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to get a phone call from Texas. And those schools
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: just have more money. And that, by the way, will
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: always be the case. Even as Utah continues to improve
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and continues to get more support and the donors continue
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to open their pocketbooks, those other big blue bloods are
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: always going to have more. Even when you have a lot,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: they're going to have more because that's just how the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: race works. But Utah has found ways to insulate themselves
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: from the overall negative effects because of great coaching, great
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: player development, great culture, great facilities.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You got to give credit where it's due.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's, there's a lot of schools around the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: country that when that call comes from Oregon, you just
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: have to shrug and say, good luck to you. And
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Utah's had to do that a couple of times, but
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the return, what comes back has been overall a net
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: gain because Utah has just enough to compete. Now, the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Protect College Sports Act, it is not being talked about enough.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: The massive salary cap increase that is proposed in that thing,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: it goes from $ 21, $ 22 million to $ 49 of revenue
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: share as your max. That is going to be something
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: that is very, very difficult to manage.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: But where Utah now.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: as these changes continue to take shape, 2014 playoff, potentially
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the college sports act being implemented. Although I think we're
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: pessimistic about that happening anytime soon at this point, Utah
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: now we'll be looking throughout this at, from a lens of, well, Hey,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: you had a 2026 season where for the brief, a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: brief blessed time at the very least, you were a
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: top two, three team in the country. I mean, the,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: my expectations now are that Utah finishes the year, the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: regular season as absolutely no worse than a top 10 team,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: like worst case scenario. And when that is the, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: recency bias and when conversations are happening around, you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: big picture stuff, revenue distribution, potential realignment, all that type
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of stuff. You're in as good a place as you
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: possibly can be. So we didn't talk about the big,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: big picture stuff very much yesterday because it was all
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: about the Holy war.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And it was all about that massive win.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And it still feels like it's about that a little
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: bit today. I'm not ready to fully turn the page
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: because we're going to talk about what Jerem Jordan at noon, do.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: A little gloating, do a little, do a little puffy
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: chest gloating.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Here, but when you look at the horizon of college football,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: it's a lot easier to picture that Utah is going
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to be exactly where they belong on that horizon, even
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: when the changes are coming. And by the way, that
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: is for me. And I'm an emotional creature and sometimes
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a bit of a worry wart. You don't say that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that is a completely different outlook from Then two years ago,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: certainly a completely different outlook than even the end of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the 2025 campaign, despite the fact that you won 11
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: games after the bowl game, right?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: There was a, there's a lot of dire circumstances.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: There was some daunting stuff going on in around the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: program where you're just like, hold on. This uncertainty makes
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: me feel like that horizon is a little shaky because
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And now I'm like, man, in the worst case scenario.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Everybody still has to put respect on Utah's name.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: And this in a college football playoff that includes for
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: now 12 teams, I'm getting real cocky about the idea
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of how often Utah is going to make it as
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a 2014 playoff.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: We got a good text from 59 95.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: If this would have started 20 years ago, Utah is
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in it almost every single year. And that is absolutely
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the truth. I haven't done the, we can do that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: maybe during one of these breaks. How many years of
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the last 20 years would Utah been in a 2014
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: college playoff?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: There's maybe two outliers.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: I can think of the three, there was the three
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: years that Utah finished with a losing record one, a
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: couple of years ago being one of them. And then
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know how many others they would have been out.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: There's a couple, maybe a couple of seven and six
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: years in there that they probably wouldn't have made it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: But I mean, I don't know how many more than that,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: more than five.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's more than five OC that they
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been in it. It's a great text. He also,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: they also say you'll, you will always have a chance.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: If you make the 2014 field, take a minute to
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: get used to, but the texture likes it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, from that perspective, absolutely.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: There's nothing, there's nothing of, no fault to find in
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: the 2014 field. And that's the surface level thing. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: what you're talking about and something that I've talked about
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: to OC load management in November, when we're used to
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: every game mattering, I mean, that's not going to be great,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: but maybe that's something we'll get used to and we'll
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: still like it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I'm looking here. So 2000, if we go back 20 years, right? 2007,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: you're nine and four in the Mount West. You don't
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: make it 2008. You're 13 and oh, you obviously do
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: make it 2009 and 2010. You're 10 and three in
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: the Mount West conference because you're not yet in a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: power conference. You're probably not making it 2011. You're eight
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and five in the PAC 12. And remember USC was
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: under sanction that year. So you would have made it
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: as the second place team in the PAC 12 South potentially.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: at eight and five, you had a chance to make
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a 2014 play.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Five and seven, five and seven, no nine and four
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: in 2014. Maybe probably potentially 2015 you're 10 and three again.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You're in 2016, nine and four.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So you've got, I'm looking at seven and six, five
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and seven, five and seven So there's six years where
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you can probably definitively say no.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And then 2024 was a five and seven.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: And then 2024. Yeah, that's one of the six years. Yeah, okay,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: it wasn't six.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And 2020 was the throwaway year, too. You probably put
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: that in there, too.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So you get six of 19 instead of six of 20.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I guess I should feel a lot
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: better about this. Thanks for the text, everyone. Keep them
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: coming in. We'll take a quick one here. As the
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: College Football Playoff Committee gathers to deliberate today and give
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: us their announcement, we'll take a brief break from that
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and we'll talk a little basketball, a little NBA and
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: association basketball with our resident expert, Gordy Chiesa.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: We're rolling on the Sean O'Connell Show. It's ESPN 700
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and 92.1 FM.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Peace out.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: It's like they're crazy.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: Come for the Hoops Talk.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Stay for his list of the day. Our list today.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: Here's OC with basketball savant Gordy Chiesa on the Sean
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: O'Connell Show.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Nothing will matter with your head.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Gordy Chiesa brought
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to you by Aladdin Industries. We check in with our
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: resident NBA guru.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Gordy, welcome back to the show. How are you, sir?
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: Sean, I am doing well, thanks.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: We've got a really interesting situation in the NBA right
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: now where you've got some of the old heads, the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Kevin Durants and Steph Currys, maintaining their unbelievable production. long
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: past their physical primes. And at the same time, you've
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: got guys like Victor Wimbinyama and Cooper flag and some
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of the elite young players really like pushing their way
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: into that main conversation. I guess Wimbinyama has already been
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: there for a while, but how long can these old
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: guys keep it up and stave off this youth revolution
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: in the NBA?
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: At least two more years till they get to be
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: age 40 or so. LeBron is the outlier and which
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: is an amazing LeBron 24th season, but Steph Curry and
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: Kevin Durant, think about it. They're more finesse players. So
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: they're not really like muscle hustle, you know, in the
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: lane type guys getting hit all the time. Their, their
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: game is basically highly skilled jump shooting over the top
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: mid range turnaround jump shots by Kevin Durant. So there's
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: less body plays by them, which gets a chance to
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: be able to, to score the ball versus taking so
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: many hits on your body.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: All right. I want to, I want to jump around
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but let's focus on the jazz here
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: for just a second.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: This team is now one and nine. They've got the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: heat tonight.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And you know, when you're riding a long losing streak
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: like this, and you're trying to figure out a way
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: just to grab one, right. Are the Miami Heat a
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: team where you can start that positive momentum?
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: Yes, very much. They just lost eight in a row,
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: and that's not fun at all for anybody involved in
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: the organization, in particular also the fans. So how do
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: you do it? The first thing, like tonight's game, just
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: as a quick Sky report, the Heat are first in
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: the NBA in pace of play, which means that When
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: they get the ball on a rebound, Giannis is coming
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: down the floor on a live dribble coming at you.
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: So you can't feel sorry for yourself if you missed
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: the shot a second before that. You've got to get
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: back and try to build a wall against them. And
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: that's a huge factor. So you've got to play defense
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: because they're coming at you. From the Jazz point of view,
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: it's that thing called turnovers. It affects so many professional sports,
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: whether you're in the NBA or the NFL. Who wins
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: the turnover game? So the Jazz right now, still have
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: not solved that dilemma in the last few years of turnovers.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: They're averaging 17.4 turnovers a game. So just take it
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: in a four or five-point loss. You've given away 17
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: times a chance to score the ball. And that's the
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: margin of so many games. The Jazz lost two games
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: this year in overtime. I'm sure looking back at it,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: they regret some of their turnovers. Most of them self-inflicted.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: So ball security and getting control of your body, offensive fouls,
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: or setting those illegal screens. And the next point about
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: for the Jazz point of view is that the Heat
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: give up the most three-point shots in the NBA. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: now the Jazz, unfortunately this year, they haven't shot straight
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: from three-point range. Jazz only shooting 32% from threes. So
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: to win tonight's game against a team that gives the
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: most threes up, if you swing the ball on perimeter,
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: if you get your feet set, that the shot hopefully
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: will go in at a higher rate to try to
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: knock out the Heat. So, yes, Sean, tonight's game for
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: the Jazz is a winnable game. And I can look ahead.
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: Jazz play back-to-back games at home, Delta Center, tonight Heat,
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: tomorrow Magic also. They're both games that Jazz can win
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: no matter who's out there. Jazz basketball, the fans, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: know we're all fans indirectly, but you just can't keep
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: saying that because so-and-so is not playing, it's out, that
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: we're going to be good X amount of days from now.
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: Every NBA team says the exact same words. So no
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: matter who you have on your team playing tonight, you've
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: got to try to get a win.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: When you mention that, no matter who was playing, how
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: much of what we're seeing with the Utah Jazz and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: their struggles is based on the lack of availability, especially
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a big man of like a Yusuf Nurkic right now?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Because we thought we all thought that this year would
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: be the year where, all right, guys are back in
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the lineup.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: You're actually playing people and the wins will come with that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: So far, they haven't.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: They haven't yet. So they miss Jokic as far as
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: his big body frame in the lane. He gets a
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: position to rebalance and also is really in a depth passer.
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: He's kind of a slickster in a good way where
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: his wraparound passes at the elbow. So they miss him.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: And then also with Jaron Jackson, who is a finesse scorer,
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: mostly outside, somewhat inside. So they miss their scoring. So
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: that's part of it. But you've got to overcome that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: You just can't, you know, relying on that. And I'm
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: sure the players know that, but they've got to perform. So,
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: for example, so Kyle Filipowski gets more playing time. He's
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: got to go against and try to neutralize Bam Adebato tonight.
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: So you play against. And that you've got to be
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: able to challenge Davion Mitchell if– Can't be George is
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: out tonight. So if you're getting a chance to start,
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Isaiah Collier, that you've got to, you know, body up
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: and try to get after, be a junkyard dog against
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: Davion Mitchell. As always, who you play against. And now
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: Darren Peters is interesting.
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: He's a guy that's.
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: Getting a lot more playing time, and rightfully so. And
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: he has done a good job as far as him
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: showcasing his abilities of what he has. So Darren Peterson,
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: the last four games, he's averaging 17 points per game,
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: which is really good. 5.3 assists, 44% from the field, 37.5
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: from threes, and 91.7 from the foul line. So the
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: Jazz and the fans are seeing a glimpse of his
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: talent level. So tonight, he's got to play against Andrew
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Wiggins tonight. Can he outplay? Can the young fella outplay
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: the veteran Andrew Wiggins? And also, ironically, with Wiggins, they
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: don't start him. They start, Sean, they start former Utes,
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: Apello Lawson, who played for the Utes. He starts now
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: to try to give Wiggins a mental health break because
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: he's struggling from the field. They play him off the
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: bench now. So can Darren Peterson outperform, out-talent, out-toughed, a
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: pillow loss and my instincts tell me Sean yes he can.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: What does it actually look like for him to do
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: that I mean yeah you want him to score more
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: yeah you want him to have you know is it
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: just is it fewer turnovers and more points like if
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I'm judging a rookie like Darren Peterson right now I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: need to not be so greedy I think what what
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: do I need to look for with him and his
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: production in an individual game like this and say all
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: right yeah that was a great game for him.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, by getting into paint and making gravity place. So
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: a lot of times when you're a young fella, you
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: want to go over the top airborne, which is commendable.
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: And that's what God gave you, these athletic skills. But
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: in the NBA, you've got to be able to play
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: on the ground, grabbing. So you penetrate. The help defense
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: comes at you. You make your jump stop, make a
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: pass out to the corner or short lob to the
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: player on the baseline in a short corner spacing to
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: make a play. Or you go up two feet and
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: wiggle your body to try to score a point a
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: basket over the top of the defense who's now on
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: the side of you. So that's how it looks like.
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: And then defensively, you've got to get in the passing
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: lane to try to generate steals. A lot of times
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: when you have a difficult time scoring, your defense has
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: to pick up so you can score points off your
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: own chaos defensively in transition defensively. get easy buckets, whether
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: it's a running layup, whether it's a pull-up jump shot,
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: whether it's driving the ball to the basket, creating fouls,
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: and just generally speaking, you play, your defense gets you
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: into the flow mentally of being a shot maker, and
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: that's what the Jazz does. have sometimes done but it's
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: we've been it's been way too unfortunately inconsistent.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Gordy chaser for another minute or two here on the
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: sean o'connell show our conversation with gordy brought to you by.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Aladdin industries gordy um.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Cooper flag has been caught eating peanut butter and jelly
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: sandwiches during games and you know he gets asked about
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: it of course and It's a nice little pick-me-up, a
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: little blood sugar spike, whatever, but he's also trying to
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: put a bunch of weight on. Did you coach players
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: that had to do this, that had to go through
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: that kind of like rookie transition into getting some more
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: mass on, and just how hard is it on these
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: long-framed guys to add weight?
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: Oh, very much.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Pharrell Bailey.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: Pharrell Bailey. Even now to this day, Pharrell's probably, let
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: me see, born in 19, he missed, right? Yeah, Pharrell
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: is 65 years young right now, emphasize young. Pharrell had
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: really a wonderful problem to have he couldn't put weight on.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: I wish people could have the same problem he had,
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: many people. And so Pharrell would eat like that very
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: much during it, and despite that, he didn't put weight on.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: Sean's alluding to right now about Cooper Flagg, the young
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: fellow from the Dallas Mavericks, where he loves in-game eating
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in-game. And that's really been interesting. And,
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: you know, Sean, I'm also an advocate of peanut butter
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: and jelly. But what I do, Sean, as a snack, Sean,
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: I use peanut butter and bananas. That's my go-to snack
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: on whole wheat. What's yours, Sean?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a peanut butter and honey guy.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: My daughter likes when you slice the bananas and you
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: put it on the peanut butter and honey.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I like to take the honey, Gordy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You put a a massive amount of honey on one
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: of the slices of bread, and you've got to leave
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: it there so the honey soaks into the bread, and
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you get that weird crystallization.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Almost in the matrix. The air holes in the bread
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: all fill up with honey, creates this awesome texture. That's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: one of my favorites.
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: Sean, I love you. You should do advertising for honey.
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: I like it how you did it. And for peanut butter,
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: just for all the people out there, Sean and I
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: are a bit shadows of peanut butter. It's that it's really,
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: it gives you protein and it gives you fiber and
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: it gives you essential vitamins. And also just from technically,
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: it also offers a muscle repair and just generally heart health.
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: So that's why it happens. And, you know, historically, The
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: person that made it fashionable in the NBA was Kevin Garnett.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: He did it many years ago. He started it. It
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: became almost like an NBA folklore. When Kevin played for
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: the Boston Celtics and the Celts won the championship back
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: in 2008, that's when it became almost like NBA folklore
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: and tradition of eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, whether
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: during the game, after the game, before the game, or afterwards.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: even better than that, on the team playing above sea level, 35,000
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: feet after a victory. Gordy, what's the list today? All right,
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: let's say Miami Heat, very proud franchise like Utah Jazz.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: The Heat have won three NBA titles back in 2006, 2012, 2013. Originally,
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: it was an expansion team back in 1988-89 season with
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: their first year in the NBA, and their sidekick expansion
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: cousin partner was a Charlotte Hornets. So just think about it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: The state of Florida didn't have an NBA team until 1988.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: The Dolphins were there a long time ago. The 72
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: Dolphins became folklore in the NFL when they're undefeated, the
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: only undefeated team in the history of the NFL. There
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: was no NBA team in Florida, which makes it so incredible.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: Hit the math of it. The expansion fee at that
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: time for the Hornets and for the Heat was $ 32. 5 million.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: The next expansion, whether it's Seattle, whether it's Las Vegas,
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: will be roughly $ 900 million for the privilege to be
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: in the NBA. It's my top ten list of the
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: greatest franchise players of Heat history. Number ten, Glenn Rice,
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: all-star many times, six years, franchise offensive star. Number nine, all-time.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: Udonis Haslam played for the Heat 20 years, franchise-leading rebounder,
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: three NBA titles. Number eight, he's playing tonight at Delta
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: Center versus the Jazz, Bam Adebato, 10 years with the Heat.
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: NBA all-star, all-defensive player, two final NBA appearances back in
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: 2020 and 2023. Number seven, in the Hall of Fame,
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: Tim Hardaway Sr., six years, five-time all-star, one of the
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: greatest ever crossover dribble players in the history of the
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: league as far as getting a separation. Number six, all-time.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: He played for the Lakers also for many years, but
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: for the Heat, four years, Shaquille O'Neal. He was Dwayne
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Wade's trusted sidekick, one NBA title, interior force. Number five
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: all time. He plays for the Warriors right now. He's hurt,
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: but when he played for the Heat, he was a
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: tremendous player. Five years plus, Jimmy Butler, all-star player. All-star player,
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: led the Heat to two NBA final appearances back in
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: 2020 and 2023, where he was absolutely spectacular. The fourth
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: all-time greatest Heat, Chris Bosh, six years, two NBA titles,
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: elite player. Stretch forward. Number three, Alonzo Mourning, Hall of Famer,
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: 11 years, one NBA title, two-time defensive player of the year.
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: Number two, all-time. He's on many teams, all-time players. LeBron
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: James with the Heat, four years, two titles, two MVP
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: finals with the Heat. And the number one greatest player
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: in history of Heat basketball. He's also a minority owner
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: of the Utah Jazz, Dwayne Wade. He played for the
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: Heat for 15 years, three titles, one MVP as far
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: as finals, and he is the heart and soul of
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: the franchise. So that's my top 10 of the list.
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: And there was one quick point about that. Oh, by
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: the way, I left out purposely the person that put
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: it all together and has been there, the sole person
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: that's been there all those years since 1995 has been
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Pat Riley. He coached them. He's the team president. and
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: everything revolves around him, and that's why they're really a
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: solid franchise.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Gordy, my elementary school love of the Knicks transported to
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: a middle school love of the Heat. I followed Pat Riley,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: and my love of Patrick Ewing became love for Alonzo Mourning.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: So there was a brief and blessed time where I
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: claimed the Heat as my franchise.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: But also, Sean, probably, Sean, I know that you like
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: to travel a You and your loved ones, do you
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: realize that the owner of the Miami Heat who bought
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: the team in 1995 is Mickey Arison and his parent company, Sean,
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: is Carnival Cruise Line?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: Sean, so every time somebody goes on Carnival Cruise Line
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: and has those wonderful buffet, they're helping Mickey Arison and
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: the Heat.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Support the Heat or don't with your cruises.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Sean. Just saying, Sean, for you.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: Just saying.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Gordy, I appreciate you.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be in Dubai for some fights this weekend,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: so I won't get to talk to you on Thursday.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: But thanks for your time today.
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: Thanks, Sean.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Peace out.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: That's my guy, Gordy Chiesa. We've got a hot lunch coming.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: But a reminder, IFA Country Stores, help grow the things
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you love. And all of you love animals. IFA is
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: inviting us to support their Feeding Friends Animal Food Drive.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Help feed animals in need by purchasing livestock feed, pet food,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: or by making a donation at your checkout. You can
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: help local shelters and rescues provide care for animals throughout
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the community. Visit ifa.coop or go to your local IFA
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: country stores to participate. All right, the hot lunch brought
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to you by Zao Asian Cafe. Next, it's the Sean
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: O'Connell Show. on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. You're tuned.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: To the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Val Asian Cafe bringing you the hot lunch here this week.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to give away a free Zao lunch card
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: in topical trivia today toward the end of the show.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: We did the tacos yesterday. Today, let's get back to
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the bowl. I have not had the rice noodles yet, okay?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: When you're creating your Zao Asian Cafe, simple, fresh, delicious, healthy,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you can go white rice, you can go brown rice,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: you can go rice noodles, or the yakisoba noodles. The
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: rice noodles... Feel like they're.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Going to be a healthier version, so I'm going to
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stick on that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I got to be on TV this weekend.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Natural chicken that is grilled season perfectly. That is gluten-free.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: If you care about that, uh, I am definitely throwing
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: on the walk seared broccoli back to probably teriyaki today.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: They've also got green curry, yellow curry, and chili lemongrass.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: And when you pick the toppings, uh, The best thing
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: to do is say, throw it all on there. As
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: long as you like corn, carrot, cilantro, pickled onions, guac.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: If you're Spence jackets, you have to say everything except cilantro.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: You can garnish that bad boy with peanuts, with crispy onions.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: The bowl is satisfying, delightful, not too heavy, pretty darn healthy.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Zao Asian Cafe, fresh, simple Asian friend of the show,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: bringing you the hot lunch menu. every day here on
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell show. We got a couple of pieces
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: of junk mail. Junk mail is the official communications from
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Keeler McJunkin at the university of Utah, the SID up there.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Devin Dampier has been tabbed the Paul Horning award player
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: of the week, a national college football awards association has
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: given him the Paul Horning award national player of the week.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: after his performance against BYU 28, 20 victory, 14 to
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: 26 through the air, 177 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: He also scored twice with.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: His feet as you're all aware, 20 times on the ground,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: 87 yards. And of course he added the 29 yard
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: catch from wide receiver Creed Whittemore on a fourth and
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: one that Utes absolutely.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Had to have a.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Paul Horning was well known in his time for being
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: an always player, a completely versatile could do anything for
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: you type of player. And, uh, Devin Dan Pierce showed that.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: So he got the national award. He's also been named the,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: a semi-finalist for the Maxwell award. One of 18 for
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: the Maxwell award, which is kind of like the poor
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: man's Heisman. Is that a right way to say it?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: You got your Maxwell. You've got your Davey O'Brien. You've
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: got your Heisman. And it's like, A lot of times
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: those three go to the same person. Sometimes whoever wins
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: the Heisman doesn't get one of the others. The consolation
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: prize of the others goes to the non Heisman winner.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: Maxwell is arguably the second most prestigious with Davey O'Brien
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: being the third, or you could flip flop, whatever flip
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: flop those two. But yeah, it's a, if Devin is
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: still in line to potentially be a finalist for one
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: of those awards and he's not a Heisman finalist, I mean,
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: that's still an incredible honor for Devin Dampier.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Hopefully, this trajectory that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: He's on, especially after the BYU win, he ends up
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: in New York and is a Heisman finalist, though. But
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: this makes it seem more likely that that could happen,
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: that he's on this award watch list this late in
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: the season.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: One, well, not one.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Most of the books now have Devin Dampier as either
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: top four or top five Heisman odds.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: Which is I mean, usually the, usually the top three
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: go to New York. So he's right there. And sometimes
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: they bring four or five.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: So right now it's CJ car, Darien Mensah, Jeremiah Smith, Trinidad, Chambliss,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: and Devin damp here. If Devin wins this weekend, big
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: noon kickoff, a lot more eyes on the game.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: A big part of why this is, well, there's, there's
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: two sides.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: To this argument for, against Devin getting this kind of
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: individual recognition.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: He's not as statistically dominant.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: As we talked about as some of the other guys
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: that are kind of in this category, but he is
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the quarterback of an undefeated football team. If he can remain,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: so he will be doing in back-to-back weeks with an act,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: a natural, a national audience for once, because that was
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: one of the big problems in the first several weeks.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, Devin had some huge games this year, but
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: When you're playing at 815 Mountain Time, it means that
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: all those Heisman and Davey O'Brien and Maxwell.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: People on the East Coast, they're just not watching you.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: They're waking up. They're looking at highlights.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: If they're doing their job, if they're really doing their
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: due diligence, they're going back and watching at least the
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: YouTube replay of your game. But the more realistic thing
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: here is that Devin Dampier wasn't on a lot of
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: people's radar until the Utes got to about 6, 7,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: and 0.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And then they were like, okay, now I'm going to
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: tune in to watch this kid. Oh crap.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: He's late at night. And then you get the BYU
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: game and it's like, oh wow. Four touchdowns.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: You got to consider Utah's level of opponent really leveled up,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: if you will, with the Houston game just a couple
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: of weeks ago. So you also got to consider that too. They, they,
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: the bias of like, well, awesome. You're the world's tallest
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: short man. You know, you, you, You put up great
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: numbers against these teams. Let's see what you do against
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Houston and BYU. He's continued that, so that's part of
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: the rise, too, I would think.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. At Utah, they're going to do that
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: They're not going to do that to you when you're
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Trinidad Chambliss because they're just like, well, every Drew.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: You're in the SEC, so everyone's great.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: And he had the hype going into this year, too,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: that Devin didn't have. So, yeah, he gets that benefit
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: of the doubt for those reasons.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: He does have the long Devin has the longest active
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: streak for people accounting for two or more touchdowns in
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: a game in all of college football.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: He's now on 16 games of that. I mean, that's,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing. So more national attention for QB.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Number one, that's your hot lunch today brought to you
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: by Zao Asian cafe. We take a quick one. We
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: come back with red and blue. I know a lot
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: of you get mad about the red and blue. This
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: is one you're probably going to enjoy. I guess it's
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: time to gloat. It's the Sean O'Connell show on ESPN,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: 700 and 92 on FN.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: My father taught me many things.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: You know what they say.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: He taught me, keep your friends close, but your enemies close.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Time to check in on the team down south.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: They have done absolutely nothing wrong, but they're blue.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: This is the Red and Blue on the Sean O'Connell
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: Show and Utah's number one sports talk.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Hour two on
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: a Tuesday begins with Red and Blue.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: We check in on things down in Provo.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Often to the chagrin of our Utah fan base, but
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I think the tone might be a little bit different
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: today on some of those listeners because we get to
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: gloat a bit about a Holy War victory, breaking BYU's streak.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: All is once again right with the world.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: This conversation brought to you by Murdoch Ford Santa Quinn,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: who is saluting veterans all over. month-long $ 500 of instant
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: savings for new and used vehicles in honor of Veterans
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Day this month. Jerem Jordan is our BYU insider. He's
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: kind enough to join us every week, and even on
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: a day like today, he does it.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: What a guy. Hi, Jerem.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: You did it.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: It took seven years. Utah finally did it. Congratulations. No,
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: it was, listen, that was, uh, another, another great game
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: in the history of the rivalry. And it was one
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: score and it was back and forth and it was
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: turnovers and it was drama. I think that's what we
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: all wanted. And yeah, walking out of that stadium with BYU, uh, losing,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: you know, certainly disappointing, but excited about what BYU still
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: has in front of them with the playoff and Notre
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Dame does BYU a super big favor. So yeah, excited
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: to see the ranks tonight, but I, Hey, that's Utah
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: won the game. And this rivalry is awesome. It's my
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: favorite thing in Utah athletics every year.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Speaker 2, it got the showcase spot that I think
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: the conference and maybe these university presidents wanted it to
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: have at some point. And it did not only in
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: the viewership window, it was a top 10 matchup for
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: the very first time. I try not to be a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: prisoner to what I see on social media and things,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: but there were a lot of those like the Josh
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Pate type personalities of the world that were finally giving
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: the rivalry its due.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: And of course the game lived up to it.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Is there any after effect or long-term effect for this
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: rivalry game because of the top 10 matchup being in
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: that 10 a.m. spot where the whole country had an
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: opportunity to watch it? Does the Holy War now get
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: more exposure, more respect in 2027 and beyond because of
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: what happened this year?
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: I think it has everything to do with just how
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: good the two teams are and were. Yeah, the top
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: ten things certainly helped. The showcase helped. honestly, I wasn't
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: that big of a fan of 10 AM kicks. Now
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan. Honestly, I was like, wait, I
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: walked out and got home. I was like, wait, I
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: have time to do stuff. I'm used to this being
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: like two or 3 AM. That was great. So I'm
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: actually more of a fan of 10 AM, more 10
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: AMs place. I certainly don't like the result, but just
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: the general, like I went home and was able to
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: watch a bunch of games. This was great. But yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I think people are onto this, that, Hey, this is
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: good ball. And Morgan Scali said it early last week.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: He goes, Utah is the only state in the country
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: with two teams in the top 10.
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: That's awesome.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Shout out to both programs for being that good. You know,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know that BYU will stay in the top
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: 10 tonight, but I certainly hope they're kind of sitting
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: there at 11 or 12. But yeah, this rivalry is awesome, man.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: And how you get the attention of the country is
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: you need to be good. You need to play dramatic games.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: And then I think people because they're in the same
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: league and they're both power four, I think this rivalry
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: has elevated. And by the way, I love the interaction
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: at midfield with Morgan and Kalani. I love Kalani waving
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: to Utah fans, Utah fans waving back. And frankly, I
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: went to the game as a fan. I didn't actually
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: get a media pass. And I had a good experience. Like,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: people were cool. So I think this has taken a
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: turn for the better.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I saw, I think, one fan being kind of a
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: punk during the field rush to a BYU player, and
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there were more instances, but I felt like
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: the temperature got turned down a little bit, and I
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: know both coaches like that, and I know both universities
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: like that to a certain extent. I mean, I'm fine
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: with rivalry games being heated, but the friendship between these coaches,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I think, makes it so that the fans kind of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: follow suit.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Is that the vibe you were getting?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: It totally sets the tone for it. And I thought
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: it was great. And there's always going to be people,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: you know, there are a few people that reminded me
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I was number one walking in, whatever, like it's all good.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: What happened again? Like that's, that's fair and fun. Like
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: all good.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: It was good.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: You know, it was, it was great. I wish, you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: you had one, but that's what makes rivalries good. Rivalries
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: aren't that fun. If, if there's no risk of losing,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: you know, like it's, It's, you know, even in the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: nine-game losing streak, it was like there were some classic
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: games there, and now, you know, now they're in the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: same league, and it's good. I hope this game gets
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: to the last game of the regular season, though. Can
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: you imagine the stakes of that game? on November 28th
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: instead would have been even better.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: That's the only thing I kind of want there is
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: give it to me on the last regular season game. Like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: is that a plan for the big 12 title game?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Do we would know like BYU is out or they're in, or,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: you know, Utah's locked up a top four seed for a,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: in the playoff for a buyer's that like the stakes
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: would be even higher in my opinion.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Before this week, I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: And now I'm like, don't give me the Holy war
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: the last week of the season and Because I don't
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: want both teams already having their college football playoff spot
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: in the 24-team expanded format locked up and being like,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: you know what, we don't need Devin Dampier or Bear
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Bachmeier to get hurt in this one, so we're playing
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: the backups.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: It's an NFL playoff game. It's a bowl game now.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: People are opting out. It is going to change everything
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: with seeding.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: And you're right.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: Hey, if you're undefeated at that point, And you're going
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: to be a top eight seed with a buy in
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: the first round anyway. What's the point? So you're not wrong.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: I don't think college kids, especially in this state, would
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: opt out. Like there's, you know, in years gone by,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: like Leonard Fournette at LSU, there was that whole idea.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: Blah, blah, blah.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: There have been some things, you know, Notre Dame opting
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: out of the Pop-Tarts Bowl and whatever, but. Yeah, I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: guess traditionally I like it in that spot, and I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: think it would add into some context. You know, there's
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: no championship games. It's just seeding.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: You know what?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: You're probably right. The last regular season game actually wouldn't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: give it that much context. So what's the perfect spot then? Probably, yeah,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: first week of November. It's like late-ish. They could both
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: be in the top ten. That's probably a good spot.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: This might be the last great regular season of college football,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: and we're just going to have to get on board
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: with a new expanded playoff. But that's not until next year.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: This year, it's 12 teams. We're going to get a
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: new set of rankings tonight. And I've seen you and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: other BYU media members and fans expressing optimism that even
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: with the Holy War loss, if BYU takes care of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: business the rest of the way.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: that they will be a college football playoff team.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I know some of the predictive models reflect that as well.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Tell me why you feel good about that as a possibility.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Mainly because the win against Notre Dame is going to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: be awesome. I think at the end of the day,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame will be a top-five seed, and they'll have
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: one loss, and it'll be against BYU. The juxtaposition of
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: last year and this year for BYU is, Give me confidence.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: So last year was BYU lost to one team twice,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: got blown out both times. This year, what is it?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: It's beat Notre Dame.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: It's beat Arizona. TBD on how good Arizona is. They
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: could be top 25 at the end. Big game for them,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: of course, against Utah this week. Then it's, you know,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: UCF losses is a bummer, but like Georgia has an
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Auburn loss. Texas has an Oklahoma loss. Like there are
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: other teams like that with a loss like that. I'd
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: be always not alone, but the worst loss in the country.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: It's a bad one, but it's not as bad as
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: you think it's double OT on the road, you know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: and then it's, and then the other loss is what
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: at UCF. number two, number three, Utah by one score.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Like that's not a bad loss. In fact, some call
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: it quality, which is, you know, it is what it is.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: So the predictive metrics say tended to BYU from ESPN's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: playoff predictor. If they don't make the big 12 title game,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: which they have to get a bunch of tiebreakers and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Texas has to lose all this stuff, super uncontrollable, 98% chance.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: I just feel like BYU can, can sneak in there.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Now where it could get weird is is if they're
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: a bunch of bid stealers. If Miami does not win
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: the ACC or Texas Tech wins the Big 12, now
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: there's two spots that you don't have that you thought
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: you'd have. That's where it could get weird at the end.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: But I'm feeling good about BYU's chances to make the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: playoff still, and they have to win the next three.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: Of course.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: How hard is that, especially this weekend, against a Baylor
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: team that appears to be re-energized?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bigger challenge against Baylor than you'd think.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: They've lost two games by one point. They let go
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: of Dave Aranda two weeks ago. They found the offense,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: which is ironic because he was kind of the defensive guy.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: He wasn't the D.C. They were out in Joe Klanderman
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: from K-State, who was part of that K-State squad that got, like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: punked in the middle eight two years ago in 24.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: That was a crazy game. He referenced that yesterday. DJ
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Lagwood is playing better. Gavin Freeman is one of the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: best slot receivers in the country. Their defense has done
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: really well. They're second in sacks and tackles for loss,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: so the BYU offense line will be challenged. But I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: thought BYU did a great job in their regard against Utah,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: which was crazy. Zero sacks, zero tackles for loss. It
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: was obviously the four picks with a big difference. And
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: so Baylor is good. They're 6-3. They very well could
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: be 8-1. And so BYU's got a challenge in front
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: of them Saturday. But I think BYU will be up
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: for it. They didn't respond in the same way after
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: UCF like I thought they would from last year where
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: they punked TCU by 31, who was still in the mix,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: kind of like Baylor right now. But I expect BYU
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: to win and play well because BYU... is done with
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: being super injured. They're getting LJ Martin back a little more.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Preston Rex is getting healthier. They should get Evan Johnson,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: perhaps Andrew Gentry back in the next couple weeks, Roger Saliapaga.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: So I think BYU was as injured as they will be.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: They're going to get healthier, we hope, and I think
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: they'll perform even better.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I've seen crash outs. I've seen people saying he's still
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: our guy. It's just a bad day. I think that's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: the right evaluation, by the way, but Bear Bachmeier did
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: not have his best day this Holy War.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: He was great in last year's. This one, obviously, the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: four picks end up hurting BYU pretty significantly.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Some of those were great plays by the University of Utah.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: There were probably two or three more that they could
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: have had, which is crazy to think about, but how
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: do you process Bear's performance in this game, and what
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: does it mean, if anything, long-term?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Speaker 3 I don't think there will be too many
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: long-term effects. I think it was, I think he had
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: a bad day slash Utah made some plays. Like you said,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not big on like, no, the other team didn't
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: do anything. We control ourselves. No, no, no. You tell
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: me some good place. Bear tried to force a few
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: in there and Utah made a good plan. Like you said,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: there were several other like two or three other turnover
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: worthy plays. They're also made some other great plays, but yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: it was his worst game as a Cougar by far.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: He had never had three picks in the game, let
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: alone four. And when you get on the plus side
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: of the field several times and you get takeaways, and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: BYU had like six drives to make it a two-score game,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: and they did not. The door was open. BYU had
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: stolen momentum. They had multiple opportunities. The defense gave them
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: takeaways and got stops. And unfortunately, the BYU offense did not.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: keep the pedal down. They did not get another score,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: you know, in the second half and Utah shut up BYU.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: That was, that was a big deal. So I don't
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: think there's going to have long-term ramifications from this. I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: think he bounces back. Well, he took it hard. You know,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: his teammates were saying he took it personally and he
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: took it hard. That's because he cares a lot and
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: he knows he's capable of more. So I know I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: saw some show on Twitter. It was like, yeah, bench
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: bear buckler. That is the dumbest take I've heard by far.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: but bear is a winner and he's awesome. And, uh,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: you know, this, this is, uh, it's going to be
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: a great year for BYU. Again, this, this dude's going
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: to be, he might be, if he stays at BYU,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: he'll be the winningest quarterback in program history. And that's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: saying a lot to how good these quarterbacks have been
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Is he what? 19 and four is a starter now
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: or something?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: It's 19 and four, which is crazy. And like, what's
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Dan Pina.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: 19 to 22.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Like these two dudes are awesome. Like we're going to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: look back in five, 10 years ago, dude, remember how
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: good BYU and Utah were in 26 and 25 and 27.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Like that was an epic time for these two programs.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Jerem Jordan is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Red and Blue brought to you by Murdoch Ford Santa Quinn.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: We check in on things at BYU. So as the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Big 12 picture kind of takes shape a little bit more,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: you've seen this Arizona team. And this is a scary
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: one for Utah coming off of. a massive win like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: the one against byu you know big sigh of relief
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: i think for the fan base at least team can't
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: process it that way and arizona's good and they got
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: one of the best passing offenses in the country what
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: do you when you say utah versus arizona what do
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: you think happens how do you think it happens Yeah, the.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Question will be, can Utah avoid the emotional letdown? Because certainly,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: you know, BYU experienced that after Notre Dame and whatnot,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: and Utah did a nice job after the Houston game of...
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: going to Cincinnati and winning. But I also wonder if
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: that was the Cincinnati let down after winning the source
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: of people against Texas tech. But yeah, Arizona is good.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Texas tech stifled them a pretty good for the most part.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: So feed obviously is awesome. You know, they just have
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: an okay run game this year, but Isaiah Mazzell has
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: really become a dude 19, a catch seven 53 and,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: on the season, on the outside. Arizona, their defense last year,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: that second there was legit. They had three or four
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: dudes drafted. They lost those guys. They've not quite been
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: the same. And they had a halftime lead against BYU,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: and then BYU shut them out in the second half
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: like Utah did against BYU. And so on the road,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: coming off the emotional win, and if Utah had the danger,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: there could be like, hey, we're good. We can afford
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: a loss. But if you went out, you're a top-four
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: seed and get a bye. Now you're actually– compete for
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: the national championship. And then you're on a neutral field.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: So stakes are high. It'll be interesting. Certainly for BYU sake,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: in terms of tiebreakers, it's actually better if Arizona loses
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: rather than be in the mix, but also do you
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: want to, you know, certain, certain tiebreakers to go your
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: way in other ways. So, yeah, I'm not, I don't know.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: I'll probably become tiebreaker guy here soon, but right now,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: right now I don't want to, there's three weeks left.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: There's so much to play for. Um, and if you
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: always take care of business, maybe there'll be in the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: mix for the big 12 title game. That would be
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: fun to rematch Utah, but also if you only wins
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: they're in, of course, but if they lose, then are
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: they out? Are they punished for that? They were last year.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: So there's kind of risk there in, uh, in getting
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: that game, certainly. And it's the last one, which is crazy.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the last one. What do you, what
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: do you make of that?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: The death of conference championship games and an expanded 2014 format,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: of course, uh, We went back and we looked at
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: how many years would Utah have made it in the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: last 20 if this was the model, and it looks
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: like it's about 13 at least, maybe a couple more,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: probably not, but maybe a couple more. I haven't done
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: that exercise with BYU, but it feels like starting next year,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: the expectation for both fan bases is that you're a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: playoff team every year.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: Go 9-3 and you're in, right? And I'll probably give
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: BYU one off year out of that where you stumble
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: and you go 8-4 or whatever. But, yeah, I think
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: both these programs are feeling pretty good given the current trajectory,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: given the investment and the coaching and where they're at.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: So it's totally going to be different. I guess in
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: the NFL if we had had, you know, hey, they
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: play for a division championship or a conference championship prior
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: to the playoffs, it would be like, who cares? Just
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: get in the playoff. it's already professional with how it's
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: set up and now it's going that way. And so
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: the death of the conference championship games at first, it's like,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: I really liked that Saturday. It's a big Saturday.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: It's fun.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: But now that the playoffs 12 and going to 24, yeah,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: it makes sense. And just from a scheduling standpoint, it's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: going to get weird. You know, the next couple of years,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: it still goes into like, the January 22nd and I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: think 24 or 28, maybe even like, it's just a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: little too late. We're moving up week zero or sorry,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: week one to where week zero is. They're going to
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: take a, a bi-week to have army Navy and hand
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: out the highs and then the playoff begins. And so
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: there's still going to be a lot of ball. I'm
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: okay with it. I'm, I'm kind of just flowing with
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: it and I think it's going to be fun. No
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: one asked for a 2014 playoff really, but, Here we are,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: and we'll just go with it. I was surprised that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: we got to this point, though, Sean, without the guarantees
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: of bids. That was the conversation during the summer. It
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: ended up just being four at-large, four auto for the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: power four, one for the group of six, and then
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: 19 at-large. I think that's how it should be, and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: I'm happy. And Notre Dame doesn't need some weird exemption
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: for a 2014 playoffs.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Is there a spot at BYU for Jason Beck?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. I would think not like mid-year
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: or anything.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: Not now.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Sure. Well, I only bring it up because some people
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: have brought that up, and I was like, no. Perhaps.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: Aaron's the QB coach, and so that spot is kind
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: of occupied already. But I don't know. At some point, perhaps.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: That's a good question. I wouldn't rule it out at
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: some point immediately after the season. I would probably be surprised,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: to be honest. Um, but Hey, that's the best buyout
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: of any coordinator in America. So it does stink. Obviously
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: it's not awesome to get fired, but that shout out
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: to Jason Beck's agent. Cause he, he did a great deal.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: We we've, we're watching this whole soap opera unfold in
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Ann Arbor. And I think there's a certain amount of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: schadenfreude from Utah fan base that Seeing this, I take
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: no pleasure in watching people lose their jobs and having
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: uprooted their families and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: You know, Coach Beck's.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: A good coach.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Did they uproot their families? Have you seen that whole thing?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I saw the whole thing, yeah.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I saw Taylor LeJuan crashing out over the fact that
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's wife might still be here in Salt Lake
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: City instead of, living in an apartment in Ann Arbor
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: somewhere by herself while her husband is working 100 hours
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: a week, but whatever.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: How dare her hang out with a grandkid?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, that many 60-year-old women are going
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, I'll just go shopping in Ann Arbor.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: And they do live on Michigan Avenue in Salt Lake City.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: But, you know, when you're watching this thing unfold, I'm
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: not going to pretend I knew this was coming. I'm
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: genuinely shocked that it has been such a poor fit,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: that has been such a poor season for, I mean, Beck,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: who obviously got fired, but for Whittingham and the entire staff,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: for the player personnel that went with them. I'm blown
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: away by this going the way that it has. How
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: do you think about it?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised, too. I thought it was going to work.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: I thought they'd be 8-4, 9-3, like a good but
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: not great season to start, and then you kind of
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: build from there. get your, get your kind of claws
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: into things. But the fact that the offense has been
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: so putrid has been shocking. Is it Devin Dampier's fault?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Like if Devin Dampier goes to Michigan, is it different?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Can they run the ball with, you know, if I
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: don't know, I wonder like the fact that Devin chose
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: to be true to Utah and true to Morgan Scali was,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: I was genuinely surprised. Like I thought, Oh, why wouldn't
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: you go to mission? You just keep going up, up.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: You're like, that's a vertical thing. You know, I don't know.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's almost incredible and in a bad way, obviously.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: I'm interested, like, are Utah fans, like, what's the legacy
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: of Kyle now? Because obviously it got weird. He leaves,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: he gets 12 mil, the whole thing. Because he's the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: greatest coach ever at Utah, and they should have a
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: statue there. But given the way he went out, probably not. Like,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: how is that with Utah fans right now, this whole thing?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: I think there's a small contingent that's loving seeing him
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: have to, you know, eat some humble pie because of
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: the way that he exited. But I think, you know,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: it's one of these things that the time, time will
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: heal the wounds where five years from now, we'll have
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: that conversation again. Like, is this ever going to be
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: called Kyle Whittingham field at rice echo stadium? Are we
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: going to like, and honestly, In my opinion, there's a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: way that he could handle whenever he's done at Michigan
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: and maybe mend some fences. I don't see him as
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: ever having any interest in doing that. Not because he
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't want his legacy to be remembered positively, but I
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: just don't think he's that type of guy who's going
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, let me come back and do
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: a bunch of Utah media or take a position in
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: the athletic department or whatever else. I think that he
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: was okay with Living with the consequences of a few
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: burned bridges, I have no special insight to that, but
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: it just strikes me as 20 plus years of interacting
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: with him. I just think he's wired so differently than
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of regular people that he's probably looking at
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: it and being like, oh, dang, that's too bad. I'll
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: take my $ 45 million that I earned this year from
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: a couple of buyouts and I'll go build a house
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: on Maui.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: And, uh, you know, he's, he's kind of earned a
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: certain amount of that. So yeah, it's, it's going to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: be interesting to see how this goes, but man, it does,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: it's not going great. Like I would say it's super
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: likely they're going to, they're going to move on from
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: him after one year, which is crazy. It's absolutely crazy.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Does the inevitable carousel spin that, I mean, it's already
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: started in college football. Does it touch Utah or BYU
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: this year? I mean, Colton Swan is showing his worth,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: and I think K-pop is as well.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it one of those things where
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Kalani gets more phone calls?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the question, right? USC seems to have had
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: a resurgence. That's kind of been the big rumor. It's like, hey,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: if SC gets rid of Lincoln Riley, then They might
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: want Kalani, and what does that look like? Obviously, there
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: was drama in the offseason and so on and so forth.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: I wonder. I think Kalani's getting calls every year because
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: of BYU's success. Just checking in, because Kalani's agent is
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: a national guy. He's not a local guy. The agent
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: has no vested interest in BYU, per se. He wants
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: the best for Kalani and the most bonus cut he
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: can get. We'll see how that goes. I do wonder
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: if Jay Hill will be and have an opportunity somewhere
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: as well. Would he want to kind of stick around,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: see if he can be the next guy, maybe if,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: and when that happens, you know, what is the Baylor
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: opening look like? Do they keep Klanderman? Do they try
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: and bring over Lincoln Riley? If he's let go by USC,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: like inevitably it will like, there will be like a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: wind rush by Utah and BYU in some manner. It's
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: just whether someone gets plucked.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Is Gary Anderson. He's like, he's like the wizard of
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Oz down there at BYU. We don't talk about him.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Is he in any of these conversations? Does he want
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: to be like a named and faced coach ever again?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Or is he just loving that anonymity?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: I think if he had wanted that, he would have
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: been the DC at BYU after Jay. But my sense is,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: and the conversation I've had, is that he is super
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: happy being an analyst behind the scenes. He can be
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: a little more low key. He doesn't have to go
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: out and recruit like in the same way, kind of
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: be home a little more. Um, yet he can still
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: influence the day-to-day coaching of the guys and the influence
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: on Kelly finger to, who to me has been awesome.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: I think he's done a great job. He's filled in
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: really well. So yeah, I don't think Gary wants that.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think he, I think he's pretty comfortable kind
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: of where he's at right now. And frankly, I was
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: super surprised that, He didn't go to Michigan in the offseason.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: When he stayed, I thought that was one of the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: gets of the offseason for BYU.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: We'll see how it all works out. What's the final
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: score for BYU-Baylor?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Give me BYU actually getting a three-score win here.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: It's been a minute.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Give me 38-17, Brigham. All right.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess we'll keep our fingers crossed for that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: question mark.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: All right. Utah too tonight for sure.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: And then I'm hoping the only drops to like 11
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: or 12. That's then they're in range. Still, if they
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: go to like 14, now I'd be concerned. Yeah.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: We'll have to see how it plays out tonight with
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: the college football playoff rankings being announced.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Jeremy, the man always appreciate your time, my friend.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Congratulations. I look forward to the, the, the game next
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: year already.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: Let's go.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Jerem Jordan brought to you by Murdoch Ford Santa Quinn.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Every single week for Red and Blue right here on
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show. Black Friday is going all month
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: long down there in Santa Quinn, 985 West Summit Ridge Parkway.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: $ 20 oil changes, $ 19. 95 for an oil change. Tell them
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: you heard about it on the Sean O'Connell Show. That's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: every Friday all month long for a full synthetic $ 19. 95
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: oil change. Wow, good stuff.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: The Daily Dump is next, a potpourri of stories for you,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: including a big NFL trade with the deadline approaching at
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: the end of our show.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Feeling out of the loop?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: Let's catch up on today's biggest headlines in the Daily
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: News Dump, where we flush out the biggest stories of
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: the day on the Sean O'Connell Show and Utah's number
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: one sports talk, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. Brought to
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: you by Valley Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. Just look for
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: the truck with the dock.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Busy night here on the airwaves at 92.1 FM and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: ESPN 700. Morgan Scali coaches show at 6. And right
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: after that running youths versus Weber state for a 7
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: PM tip tickets are available at Utah tickets.com. Both broadcasts
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: right here on your home of the youths. Are you,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: are you conflicted who to root for in that game tonight?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: The basketball game. I might show up just to throw
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: everyone off in like my Weber state, Damien Lillard Jersey.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. but then stand up whatever Utah scores and be like,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: go youth.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: We'll just be like, what the heck is going on here?
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: I did that one time at a jazz game.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: One of the last times LeBron actually played. I, I
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: had a LeBron Jersey and I'm a LeBron fan. I'm
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: less of one since he went to the Lakers before,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: but anyway, had been a LeBron fan the whole time.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: And so I was cheering when the jazz won the game,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: I was cheering for when the jazz would score, but
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: I was in a LeBron calves Jersey.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: So I I've, I've been that guy before.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: The big boys, by the way, on the coaches show tonight,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Keith Olson and Carson Kofusi.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, little injury news.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe I tell you what I like that because if
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: he was seriously injured or out for the season or something.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think Carson Kalfusi is doing the coach's show tonight.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, certainly in the Kyle Whittingham era that that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: did not happen when they announced out for the season
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: or whatever they, they buried, they, they, they puts a
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: guy in the storage locker, so to speak.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: But I, I think that's probably pretty safe to say
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: it's going to stay. It's going to stay that way
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: in regards to coaches show appearances in the Morgan scale year.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, Morgan, if, I mean, look, people are going to
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: focus more on the differences in the similarities between those
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: two coaches, but there's a lot of similarities and look
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: no further than the official big 12 injury reports.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Utah has one name on the injury report every week.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: Like every week he, he is willing to say he
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: has been a lot more willing to say in his
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: weekly press conference, or at least give an answer to
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: when everyone's, whenever anyone's like, for example, with way, Sean,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: it being reported. He was limited in the BYU game.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: So it was like, how's way Sean. He doesn't just
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: say next question.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: He's willing to do a little more transparent with that
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But anyway, Morgan Scali coaches show tonight,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Keith Olson, Carson Cal Fousey, a bill and sly will
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: take care of the Morgan Scali coaches show, which of
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: course is on the heels of a massive, massive, massive
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: win top 10 victory. even if it wasn't the rivalry game,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: this would have been the largest victory, the most important
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: victory of Morgan Scallery's young tenure as head coach. It
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: was the national spotlight, the 10 a.m. kickoff game.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: It was a top-10 matchup, and the fact that it
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: was against a rival who you played against back in
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: the day, that's its own thing. By the way, I
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: need some clarification, 877-353-0700. I saw something on Twitter or
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Instagram today that Devin damn peers helmet went missing after
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: the field rush.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Is that right? If anyone can confirm or.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Deny this for me, so I'm going to Rick's house 22,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: 22 years ago, that happened to Morgan Scali.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Did that happen again to QB?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: Number one, shout out to Rick, by the way, who
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: became famous because he was the one that's had Morgan
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: Scali's helmet this whole time and.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Not shout out to Rick. I'm mad at you because
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: I offered to buy that helmet. And I went on
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: social media. I said, if you have the helmet, I
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: will pay you for the helmet. And you could have got,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know, 20, 30 bucks. Probably could get a
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: little bit more than that. Now it's got Morgan Scully's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: signature on it.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Just kidding. I do give you a shout out. I
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: would have.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: What a story that is. That's one of those things, right?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: You know how there's those people in your life that
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: you know who they are, but you don't know their name?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: You run into them at the grocery store. Maybe it's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: someone you go to church with. And for whatever reason,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: their name has just never stuck in your head. You
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: recognize the face. You recognize the face. You know the stories.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: You know why you know each other. But you're like,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know that person's name.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: And you pass the statute of limitations, so you can't
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: ask their name.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: You can't. There's no scenario in which it's now acceptable
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: for you to be like, oh, my gosh, you know what?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I forgot your name. They'll be like, we've been
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: talking at church every morning for two years.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Every Sunday. What are you talking about?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: You didn't notice how I cleverly have avoided saying your name.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: The statute of limitations for stealing that helmet would have
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: made me be like, you know what?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: It's too long. I've been his neighbor for 12 years.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: I could have brought this up to him every day
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: for the last 12 years.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: And I didn't now.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm dying with this secret. I would have died
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: with that secret. So shout out to you for not
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: doing so.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: And now he's got a signed helmet and a of
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: great story of Morgan laughing at him when he said,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: I've been really nervous to tell you this.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: So, you know, it's here's again, this is why, this
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: is why people are better humans than me, because if
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: you're his neighbor, you could have got a signed helmet
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: from him anyway.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: True.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: You, you didn't have to tell him it was his
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: helmet from 2004. Now that would be sinister.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: If you brought the helmet over and you're like, well,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: you signed this and he just, he's like, wow, this
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: looks really familiar. I had one like that. And you're
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, interesting. At least he told, but you
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: could have had a side helmet for Morgan. He felt
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: too much guilt. He couldn't bring it up.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: It's a better story. It's wonderful. I'm glad you did
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: it that way.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying my statute of limitations would have passed.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I would have been like, Ooh, I can't. You would
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: have felt the awkwardness. Yeah. All right.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: So Morgan Scali coaches show NFL trade deadline is today
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: at 2 PM. The 49ers are bringing in some talents.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: They've traded for Keenan Allen from the Colts, a sixth
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: round pick. I actually really was a big Keenan Allen
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: guy all the way back to his Cal days.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: He's a, he's an awesome player.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Really good career with the chargers.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Long in the tooth, but beggars can't be choosers. The
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: 49ers have this weird scenario going on with Brandon. Iuke
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: that like He may or may not end up playing
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: for the San Francisco 49ers. He may or may not
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: have to pay $ 10 million in bonuses back to the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: I it's a strange deal. It's one of the sports
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: business things that I don't like because you get into
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: the weird arbitration. His agent drew Rosen house. He went
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: on Pat Mac. If he was on Pat Mac, if
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: he was on.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: And by the way, when the, the ticker thing, the
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: thing at the bottom, the lower graphic says you've negotiated
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: over 10 billion in sports contracts.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: That is the biggest flex of all flexes. It really is.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: He is, he is the sport soup sports, super agent
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: of our time.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: And certainly the NFL's big super agent right now. Okay.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: This coming, this is official junk mail. Dev's helmet was
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: not stolen. It was never out of the team hands.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: It was just misplaced.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: So there was a minor misunderstanding false alarm. We're good.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Was this a junk mail over text?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: So shout out to, it doesn't sound as cool when
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: you say junk.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: Text, junk text, shout out to junk listening into the
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: show and shout out to Paul. He's probably in Paul
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: Kirk's office. And we know that Paul loves listening to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: the show as well. look, you mean everyone at the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: university loves listening to the show? Cause we're talking about
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: a team that is undefeated. Number two in the country
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: headed to an undefeated season. And of course just beat
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: BYU in the holy war. But yeah, false alarm. Dev's
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: helmet was not stolen. That was a rumor that was hearsay.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: That was a fabrication for clicks and engagement on social media.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Debs helmet is in good hands. Dev, bring the helmet
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: in and we'll steal it from you here.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: If you want to sign it for us so we
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: keep it in the studio, that'd be great. If you
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: want to. Mauricio Pochettino.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Remember when we talked about him every single day because
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: the World Cup was happening? So Mauricio Pochettino is apparently
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: one of the main targets of Manchester United who is
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: in search of a new manager.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Oh man, you, I thought you spelled Manu. not Manu
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Ginobili man.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: You and you is apparently interested in the team USA skipper.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: His buyout is about $ 10 million apparently on his us contract,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: which I'll, I'll be completely transparent. I don't know if
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: teams like man, you spend that on coaches buyouts ever,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: but transfer fees in European soccer, European football, It's usually
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: like hundreds of millions of dollars.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: Is this is, this is a drop in the bucket
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: when it comes to players transfer fees and like Manchester
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: United is, I believe still one of the wealthiest sports
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: clubs in the world. I think that if they want poach,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: they'd be more than happy to part with $ 10 million
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: for him.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Okay. Can I just, can I show something? Can I
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: illustrate that? something here.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: We just got official word from like the guy in
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: the know in the program that devs helmet is alive
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: and well is in the hands of Utah football. 59
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: 95 on the text line says I can confirm his
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: helmet was gone. A bunch of people, including my nephew
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: were taking turns, putting his helmet on about 20 minutes
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: after the game. And I told my brother-in-law, I bet
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: someone steals it.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: It had his number four on the back.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: So Maybe it was briefly in other people's hands, but
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: he got it back.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Are we sure it was Devin's helmet? Yeah.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: Is there two?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Who's the other number four on the roster this year?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Is there two this year? Every single digit number is
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: usually taken. Has a double take for the most part.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: The.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Speaker 2, Speaker 3, Speaker 4, Speaker 5, Speaker 6,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Speaker 7, Speaker 8, Speaker 9, Speaker 10, Speaker 11,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Speaker 12, Speaker 13.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Speaker 14, Speaker 15, Speaker 16, Speaker 17, Speaker 18,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Speaker 19, Speaker 20, Speaker 21, Speaker 22, Speaker 23,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Speaker 24, Speaker 24, Speaker 25, Speaker 26, Speaker 27,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: Speaker 28, Speaker 29, Speaker 30, Speaker 31, Speaker 31, Speaker.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: 32, Speaker 32, Speaker 33, Speaker 33, Speaker 34, Speaker 34, Speaker.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: 35, Speaker 36, Speaker 37, Speaker 38, Speaker 38, Speaker 39,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: Speaker 40, Speaker 41, Speaker 41.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Speaker 42, Speaker 42, Speaker 42, Speaker 43, Speaker 42,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Speaker 43, Speaker 44, Speaker 45, Speaker 45, Speaker 45,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: Speaker 46, Speaker 46, Speaker 47, Speaker 47, Speaker 48,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Speaker 49, Speaker 49, Speaker 50, Speaker 51, Speaker 51,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Speaker 51, Speaker 52, Speaker 52, Speaker 52, Speaker 53,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Speaker 52, Speaker 53, Speaker 53 This is what I
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: love about the, the lore of games like this at
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: moments like this, right? Here's someone who saw witnessed family
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: members were just like, yeah, that's Devin's helmet.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: It was wandering around. We saw the number four on it.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, you've got official team sources being like, no,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: we have the helmet. I'm actually still, I've, I've said
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: this on the air before, but since we're talking about
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: something that went missing after a BYU Utah game, I
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: am deeply upset that the crossbar from the 2004 game
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: that ended up at a bar I worked at, at
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: the old lumpies was signed by every player on the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: team is now lost history. We don't know where it's at.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: We don't know where it is.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: The most important player on the team signed probably not
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: the most important.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing I need to know where that
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: thing is. That's true. I don't need to have it.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: So it was at lumpy's it, and then it disappeared.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Goalposts got torn down, got torn two pieces, right? The
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: uprights separated from the crossbar. The crossbar ended up in
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: the back of a pickup truck for my guy, Jake,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: big Jake Torres.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Shout out to you.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: He brought it to the bar because the owner of
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: the lumpies, there were two locations, massive, massive Utah fan.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Right. And this is when the team was preparing to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: go to the Fiesta bowl.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: So there were like three weeks of practices where the team,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: like there's no games. You're not interrupting any kind of routine.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: So people were bringing autograph stuff up to the T
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: up to the facility all the time. So when you
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: would walk out of practice, there would be footballs tables
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: and with footballs and helmets.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: And they brought that up. They brought up the crossbar
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: and said, hey, sign this. And then it hung in
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: the basement of the downtown location for years. And I
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: don't know where it's at now. This is like the
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: Utes version of the Ark of the Covenant. Where did
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: this artifact go? It would fit perfectly in our studio
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: in the corner or something. I would pay good money
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: to have it. They also, by the way, whatever happened
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: to the memorabilia in there, they have my first ever,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: the shorts for my first ever UFC fight.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: Oh really? And the gloves.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Those are gone too.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Those are gone too.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: So I want to know who took that sports memorabilia
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: hall and I want to get those things back.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: So Mariso Pochettino, $ 10 million buyout.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: To put a bow on that story, poach getting poached.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 5, by man, you, I don't, I didn't
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: He's under contract till after the 2030 world cup.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: So we'll, we'll see what happens. Speaker 2 0 5, okay. This,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: I did not. I'm glad you put this in the notes.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Last one for the daily dump brought to you by
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Valley plumbing, heating and cooling bill Belichick's now ex-girlfriend, Jordan
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Hudson glad you're going with this one is apparently suing
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: two Airbnb hosts in Massachusetts because they leaked a ring
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: cam video of bill Belichick with his shirt off.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: So this was in 2023 that this incident happened. The
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: relationship was not publicly known at the time. It was,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: it was after that, that we found out that Belichick
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: was dating a 24 year old. And I actually, this
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: is breaking news for me. When I saw the story,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: I didn't know they broke up. So Okay. Here's how
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: I already know this story, OC. You know that I'm,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: and everyone at this point that listens to the Sean
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: O'Connell show knows that I'm a big Pablo Torre finds
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: out fan. He did a story on this Ring camera footage.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: He got this video and some other ones from the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: Airbnb hosts in Massachusetts.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: The Airbnb hosts... went on Pablo's show and talked about it.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: And so now Jordan Hudson's saying this is an egregious
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: violation of her privacy, that these videos got shared, and
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: she has been kind of fighting with, trying to pick
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: a fight with Pablo ever since that episode too, by
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: the way. So she's put in the complaint about, hey,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: and they went on that.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: That jerk Pablo Torres show and talked about it. I have,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: is there any legal grounds for this? I, I have
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: no idea. Like it's their video, right? Cause it's their
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: ring camera. I mean, I don't, I guess we'll see.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: I think if they were still in a relationship, it
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: would batter. Now it's just like, who cares? Like knock
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: it off. Yeah.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: If you have weird ring cam videos of people and
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: they don't know about it, that is a violation of privacy.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: Even if they're public figures, like, yeah, I don't like that.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 5: Maybe get their permission before you start sharing them.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: All right. One more break here in.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Our number two, Jeff Schwartz is going to join us
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: at the top of our number three. It was a
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: massive weekend in the landscape of college football, not just BYU, Utah.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: But also there's a strange trend happening. in college football
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: that we have to talk about next. We're getting news
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: of contract extensions in college football during the season. We'll
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: discuss on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN 700, 92.1 FM.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Breaking news, Kirk Cousins being traded back to the Minnesota Vikings.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: So the Raiders will start the Fernando Mendoza era now.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: And Kirk Cousins will go try to help the Vikings
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: make a little playoff run.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: Worth noting that the last time Kirk Cousins was truly
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: any good was under Kevin O'Connell in his first year
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: with the Vikings, right?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins obviously physically is not that same quarterback, so
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: we shouldn't expect anything like that. But maybe he ends
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: up keeping him near the top of the NFC because
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: this is a relationship that's worked well in the past.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I think what the Vikings are seeing is that
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks on the roster can't utilize the incredible edge
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: talent they have, the offensive weapons. So they're like, well,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: we're going to.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: sink all of this money into these players with no
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: quarterback to throw them the ball. We better get something here.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: And Kirk cousins, I think is at least capable of
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: doing that. We'll see how it plays out. Also contract
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: negotiations going on. Apparently in college football, regular seasons, there
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: are a lot of coaches and there are a lot
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: of programs. And we've heard this, that, you know, this
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: is an off season thing that, And they don't want
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: to hear a word about it during the season, but
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: I think that trend is going away probably forever now.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Oregon State has the most prolific passing offense in the country.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Part of the reason for that is their star wideout,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: Jesse Legree, who has 61 receptions.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: For 1,209 yards and 14 touchdowns. He's averaging 20 yards
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: a catch.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: If it weren't for Jeremiah Smith, he would be the best.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: He'd be the Bolitnikoff winner. He'd be the best receiver
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: in the country right now. Well, he could shut it
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: down now and still win that award. Jesse Legree signed
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: a contract extension last week with Oregon State University. He
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: agreed to stay there for 2027. Now, I don't know
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: what that means from a legality standpoint how enforceable a
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: contract like that is but i got to imagine it's
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: going to be hard to get out of it when
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: you voluntarily sign on the dotted line and say yes
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: i will stay here next year for however much money
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: you're offering me so jesse legree who is going to
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: be make no mistake the hottest non-quarterback commodity in the
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: transfer portal at the end of this year has already
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: re-signed with oregon state and they made an announcement that
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: their quarterback jesse Braden Atkinson has now done the same thing.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: He's the leading passer in the country.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: Brave new world.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: Atkinson has 3,169 passing yards, 351 yards per game. He's
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: number four in total touchdown passes with 25. He's a
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: transfer from Mercer to ended up at Oregon state. And
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: now they've apparently extended him. If this is a thing
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: that you do in college football, now we need to
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: get Joe D'Orazio on from the university of Utah and
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: be like, where are the announcements for Devin, Dan pier?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: Hey, you know, if Pete family isn't interested in reporting
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: the contract extensions that you guys are doing, you feel
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: free to.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Have, we will break that.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Now this Utah football team strikes me as more of a, Hey,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: we're going to have these conversations. when the work is done,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: you don't, what we have learned about Devin who comes
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: in and speaks with us every week.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: And it's just an awesome kid.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: In addition to being a great football player, I can't
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: imagine he's someone who's just like, Hey, let's open up
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: contract negotiations in the midst of everything else we're trying to.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: Do right now. But that's, it's crazy. Missouri's quarterback.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: They announced this for Missouri's quarterback last week as well,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: that he intends to stay for the 2027 season. And look,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: this is, I'm not saying I don't like this because
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: what I don't like is when a team develops a player,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: that player has a ton of success and then Miami
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: or Texas or whoever just gets to come in and,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: and snatch that guy away.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: I don't love that.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Now, how many players are going to want to hit
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: the open market and see what is out there for
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: them before they agree to something like this, that that's
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: a player by player discussion. But man, in season contract
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: extension negotiations, and more importantly, contract extension signings and announcements
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: in college football. What congratulations to Braden Atkinson and to
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Jesse Legree, but much more importantly to Oregon state university.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: It was very much a mid-major.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: Now the PAC 12, the reconstituted PAC 12 is a
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: group of six Jesse Legree has absolutely zero.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: Business being at Oregon state next year.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Like he should be at Ohio state or Texas or
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: USC or Miami next year.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: And he's staying at Oregon state. Good for him. Good
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: for that coaching staff. I think good for college football. Yeah.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: Stars sticking around at lower level schools, lower level teams.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: That's good for the health of college football, in my opinion.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: All right. We'll take another one here. The Sean O'Connell show.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: We'll come back with Jeff Schwartz, but a reminder before
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: we do that, we are now in the days definitively
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: where you are going to have your heater and your
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: air conditioner on during the same day. Those crisp mornings.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: You got the heater pumping. Sun starts beating on your
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: house in the afternoon. Now you probably have the air
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: conditioner on again. You need energy efficiency in your home.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: One of the worst ways to have that is by
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: having old windows. One of the best ways to achieve
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: energy efficiency is by getting the number one replacement vinyl
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: windows in the nation from a company right here in
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City that offers you $ 2, 500 off when you
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: buy 10 windows or more. You can install now, buy now,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: and you can pay later. With up to 60 months,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: 0% APR financing. The lifetime warranty will apply for not
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: only you, but if you sell your home, the next owners.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: This thing can transfer.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: It is the best warranty in the business because they
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: have the best product in the business and they believe
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: 801-850-9100.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: Advancewindows.com. Telemoc sent you.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz is next on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: best inside of your youth. Let's get back to OC
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show here on ESPN, 792 on FM switch
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: foot is coming to the complex.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: November 19th. Spence check.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: It's going to have tickets to give away all week.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Tune into the drive for your chance to win. Our
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: next guest joins us on Tuesdays to talk all things
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: college football. We sprinkle in a little NFL, especially when
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: the trade deadline is here.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz. Welcome back. How are you?
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: I feel like this is one of the better weeks
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: to be a Utah youth football fan. You beat BYU
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: in the Holy War in a dramatic game, and then
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: your former coach, who I think everyone probably doesn't like
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: at the moment or didn't like leaving, just looks like
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: he couldn't be deader than dead as a coach at
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: Michigan right now.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certainly a certain number of Utah fans that
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: probably take satisfaction in that.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: I don't count myself among them.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: I hate that Jason Beck is already out of a
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: job after having the number four offense in the country
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: for the Utes last year.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: It's just crazy. Life comes at you fast in the
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: coaching world.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: It does. It does. I thought it would work in Michigan.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: It just hasn't. How about your game, dude? 14-0, then 2014,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: then not a point again for BYU. And you win
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: by eight. You covered again. Covered machine the Utes are.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: What's that? Eight out of nine? Or they've covered every game?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: I think every game, yeah.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably didn't cover against Colorado, right?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, correct. Yes, they did not cover Colorado. You're correct.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, wow.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Good teams win. Great teams cover. Isn't that what they say?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: Or you can do both.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: How much of the game did you watch?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: This is actually a good concept test with the Jeff
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: Schwartz is an East coast college football nut, right? If
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: he's got the chance, he's watching these great games when
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: he's home. This was a noon kickoff time, but you had, like,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: kids' activities and stuff. So did you get to watch
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: much of or any of the Holy War live?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I watched a lot of it live,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: if I recall. I mean, I had a quad box with, like,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: the other three games of the time that were good.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: But I watched most of it, yeah. I was home
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: for most of it, yeah.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: What did you make of Utah's, I mean, obviously BYU
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: turned the ball over in very important spots. Utah's defense
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: came up with some big plays. Everyone here is like, yeah,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: it's because Utah's the greatest team on the planet. Everyone
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: in Provo is like, yeah, it's because we beat ourselves.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: You are more of a neutral party. How did you
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: watch the game play out?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: The turnovers were, I mean, one of them was just like,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: that's just Bear making a bad play, man. Like, it's
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: his fault. He made a bad throw. I thought Utah's
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: offense is interesting where they have stretches where it looks great,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: stretches where it doesn't. Early in the game, you just
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: sort of blitzed BYU, right? You were able to get
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: the long run. BYU didn't really fit that correctly. I'm
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: not sure it was the best block run I've seen,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: but Dan Perry did a good job. The touchdown, some
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: of the plaques and stuff early in games, I think
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: teams just can't figure out. And you guys have scored,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: I think, a touchdown on eight of your nine opening
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: drives this season? Correct. And that's the stat I have
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: correct there? Yeah. I just think BYU is a good team,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: not great. Utah's just better. I thought the game would
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: be closer. I thought BYU would cover. I think I
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: told you, but Utah would win, which didn't happen in
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: this game. So I think it was more about Utah
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: just being the better football team. And they showed that
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: most of the game, I thought. Again, they're up early.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: pretty dominating, then it swung the other direction quickly, but
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: then it went right back to Utah. In the second
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: half of that game, Bill, you couldn't score, man. That
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: has to account for something. 100%.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody expects it to be perfect, and obviously
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: there were some aggravating moments in the game for Utah fans,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, this is a
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: game that you needed badly from a program standpoint, right?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: The can't go four and four losses in a row
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: to your rivals. You can't get yourself out of a
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: conference title picture or make it harder to conference title picture.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: And right now Utah with this win number two ranked
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: team in the country, it's probably going to stay that
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: way in the college football playoff rankings tonight.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: I would imagine.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: And more importantly, they're in control of their own destiny
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: in the big 12 conference. How scared should we be
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: about a road trip to Arizona?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, this is the worst spot ever, man. This is
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: the war. This is the, We've seen this spot all
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: season long where team coming off big, emotional home win,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: goes on the road, and lays an egg. And I
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: think we were wrong from the time I covered this
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: team with you. Playing in the desert in November is horrors, right,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: for Utah? Yes.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: Same with Oregon.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: Everyone knows it's a horror. It's a horror playing in
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: the desert in November. So on top of that, you
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: have all this history. Arizona can score, man. Nova Fida
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: feels like it's been there forever. But they can score.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: So I think you have to feel a little bit
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: of worry. But look, the game before BYU, Cincinnati was
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: also a trap game. And you guys handled that really well.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: And so I don't know if I think it's going
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: to be a trap game. Look, the gambling line will
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: tell you that Vegas thinks it'll be a close game.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: It's like two, right? You're favored by two on the
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: road after beating BYU. So I think it shows you, though,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: that this year, sean for college football a lot of
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: good not a lot of elite teams right like just
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: like lsu's a favorite in texas this weekend you're only
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: a two-point favorite against arizona that's one of those years
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: where i think there's a lot of good probably not
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: a lot of great um but you know you just
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: play the games on your schedule.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: Two and a half is the line i'm looking at
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: for utah um are you worried about the game Yes, yeah, 100%.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: But look, that's been the case with the Houston game,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: with the Cincinnati game, with the BYU game, and this
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: team just continues to pass those tests. It's under a
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: first-year head coach in Morgan Scali with first-year coordinators in
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Kevin McGibbon and Colton Swan, and they're just all kind
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: of rising to the challenge. And now Devin Dampier's name
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: has entered the chat for some of the big postseason awards.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: He's got, I think, the fourth or fifth best odds
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: to win a Heisman right now.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: He should.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: And, you know, it's wild because he doesn't have, like,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: wild statistical lines. He's not a guy who's passing for
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: 300 yards a game. He's just creating touchdowns and making
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: big plays. Is he going to be in New York
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: if he keeps it up?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, yeah. And also, look, it's not really, like,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: his fault, but it's also just sort of a down
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: quarterback year for this award, right? Because I think about,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: you know, right now.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: You have Mensah up there, right, for the award, potentially. Yes,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: CJ Carr. And then Carr, who, like, even Notre Dame
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: fans are like, what? How is he in this discussion
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: for Heisman? And then, you know, Jeremiah Smith is, I think,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: clearly the best player in college football, but his quarterback
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: situation is terrible, so he's not getting a lot of points.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: I think that Jeremiah Smith has a lot of up, like,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: I think there's a, if you were to, like, ask
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: me who I would, like, wager on to potentially win
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: But Jeremiah Smith still has a lot of value because
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: he can easily put up 400 yards in the next
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: three weeks. But they have to win, right? You're not
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: going to win the award if you don't win. So
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: I think part of that's important for Ohio State as well.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: But Dan Pierce is playing great, man. Part of playing
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: the position is just making winning plays and winning moments.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: And he seems to be one of those guys that
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: just does a lot of that more than his peers do.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. Are your Oregon
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Ducks alive again?
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: Are they back?
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: Well, we have to, I mean, we need a lot
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: of things to heckle. I got to work for USC
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: this weekend.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: Are you going to be able to do that?
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: No. I'm probably better than Indiana. But, you know, if
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: USC wins this weekend and then we went out, and
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: I think Iowa's got to lose and Illinois's got to
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: lose one more game. Like, we're in the Big Ten Championship.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: I feel pretty good about being UCLA. I'll tell you what,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: some of the worst parts of this season, though, are
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: like UCLA fans that I mentioned talking. I'm like, but guys,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: you haven't been good in 20 years. Can you just not, like,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: poke me a little bit? Like, that Oregon tournament was
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: seven times in that game. I don't know if that's
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: a UCLA win or more of an Oregon loss. But, yeah,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're playing better. Change offensive coordinators, figure out
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: offensive line. We had a really bad injury yesterday. We
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: lost Tatum Tuttioti, who is like, the heart and soul
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: of our defense. It's hard. I think to win games, Sean,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: when you lose your, your quarterback of your offense and
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: your quarterback, your defense, which is where we're at right
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: now with injuries. So it's tough. It's tough, man. But
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: we'll see. We're playing, playing better football. No, no, no
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: real idea. And if it's, you know, if it continues
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: or not.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: They made it official that the 24 team college football
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: playoff begins next year. And, you know, it's going to be,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: A drastic change for the regular season. It's going to
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: be more of the same when we get to the
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: postseason and the representation, at least percentage-wise, of Big Ten
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: and SEC. I don't love it, but I'm also going
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: to just say, all right, we'll see how it plays out.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, it diminishes
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: the regular season, which is the whole point of college football.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: It really does. The people that run the sport don't
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: care about it. what the fans think about the sport.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: It's very clear, right? This is a money grab. And
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: the thing that frustrates me, I think, the most about
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: the money grab, Sean, is they didn't even go for
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: the most money. If they did, they would have given
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: it to the different networks. They gave it to one network. Like,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: if you're trying to make money, which is what this
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: appears to be, right? Money grab. Let's make as much
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: money as we can. Wouldn't you... give a bid out
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: to Fox and NBC and CBS to own some of
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: the playoff instead of one TV network? What competition is
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: there in that? So if you're going to do this,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: just do it all the way. And they didn't. They
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: didn't do it all the way. They gave it to one.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: This is the only sport that has one network control
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: the entire postseason.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: Very strange.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: And what it does, though, and look, I don't think
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: that today's comfortable rankings are affected by what ESPN wants.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: I really don't. But it's... Hard to argue to people
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: that ESPN has no influence. I know they say they
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: have no influence whatsoever. It's paid almost $ 2 billion for
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: the playoff. You don't think that they have an influence
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: a little bit? If they want a team in, they
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: can make a call and get a team in? You
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? It sets up the idea that
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: there could be a conspiracy because they defused to bid
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: this out. And I've made the case for a while.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: The playoff is a playoff for teams that win a championship.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: It's not a participation tournament. Now, the counter to my
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: argument would be Oregon, right? Where Oregon's really good, had
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: a down stretch, and they would be in a 2014 playoff.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: But I also don't think we're good enough even to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: win a championship if we did get in the 2014
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: playoff or even a 12-team playoff. We're just not there
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 4: right now, in my opinion. So is there something the
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: sport doesn't need? We don't need more playoff games. We
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: don't need games to matter less in the regular season.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: The Holy War was important because BYU loses, and they did.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: Are they a playoff team now?
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: 10-2?
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: I think they are because of the Notre Dame win.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: But with a 2014 playoff, they're absolutely in, right? And
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: so you don't have that sense of urgency anymore.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: We need to do something with rivalry games now because
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: if you play them in the last week of the
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: season and you're already in the playoff, we're going to
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: get diminished importance on rivalry games, people resting in rivalry games.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to have teams resting. I
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: push back on that. I don't think that's going to happen.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: I think it will.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: It happens in the NFL. Why wouldn't it happen in
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: college football?
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: Well, the difference is rivalry games are not– you don't
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: get fired for losing a rivalry game in the NFL.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: And are you telling me that if Utah had lost
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: three straight Holy Wars and now you have your plat
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: birth locked up and Scali sits everyone and you lose
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: to BYU a fourth time, that won't matter for his
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: job and perception of the program?
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't– right now– Scali's in a different category.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: My point is that these games, the rivalry games matter.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: They matter to the people that are paying money for
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: the rosters. And I don't think coaches are sitting guys
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: in those games.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: I 100% hope you're right.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: I become jaded and skeptical anytime people are like, yeah,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: we have our playoff spot locked up. That is where
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: the money is really made, so we're going to protect that.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: But I hope you're right. I genuinely do. I was
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: just talking about this. There are contract extensions being announced
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: in college football during the season, Missouri's quarterback resigned the
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Oregon state quarterback and wide receiver resigned. I have no
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: idea how enforceable these things are. I have no idea
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: if they survive when Miami backs up a Brinks truck
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: during the transfer portal opening or whatever. What are your
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: thoughts on in season contract extensions for college Football players.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: The thing I don't get is that, like, I think
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why now. So the argument is going
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 4: to be that, well, this helps our recruiting class if
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 4: we already know who's coming back, right? Like, if you're
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 4: the Oregon State guys, you signed up two guys, like,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: their coach is probably, like, selling this to everyone. Like,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: these guys are back. Like, we can build around them,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: come to Oregon State. So I understand that part of it.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: I do. But how do you know what's out there?
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: But are you, Oregon State's wide receiver is really good.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: Are you sure Texas is not going to call you? Oregon? Like,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: why are you signing now? That part I don't get, Sean.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: From a player standpoint, obviously, it doesn't make a ton
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: of sense. For Legree is the best example of this.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the market's going to be like
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: for the Missouri quarterback, the Austin Simmons kid. He re-signed.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: If you're the leading passer, like the Oregon State kid,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: Braden Atkinson is. I'm sure you're going to have other opportunities,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: but like Jesse Legree is going to get a phone
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: call from everybody, USC and Texas and Miami and Notre Dame.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: They're all going to want his services. Ohio state's going
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: to be like, Jeremiah Smith just got drafted. Number one,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: we need the next version of him. So, I mean,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: there's no way he's maximizing his leverage by taking the,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, Oregon state didn't offer him $ 2 million, right?
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Um, So I just also to like, there's still
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: a lot of football left. And we saw Calandria, the
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: Nebraska quarterback, resigned and looked terrible on Friday night. Like
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: the Beaver quarterback, Atkinson, like he resigned, but he's looked
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: pretty mediocre compared to how he started the year. The
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: last two weeks, they're playing better teams. Like now they
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: go to Boise State this weekend. If he plays poorly again,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: like what, like, It just feels so early to be
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: signing these guys. There's just so much unknown.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: I think if you're Oregon State, those make perfect sense.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: I think if you're somebody else, if you're a team
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: that has the money to get something that's maybe better,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: and I don't think Missouri falls in that category. I
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: don't think that Oregon State falls in that category. From
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: a player standpoint, it doesn't make a ton of sense.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: I think from a program standpoint, your country-leading passer would
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: have to fall off pretty drastically.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: For you to not feel like that was a good move.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: No, I think that's fair. I think that's fair to
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 4: say that the programs want this more than the players do.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 4: From my perspective, now again, your salary's locked in for
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 4: the year. You can recruit off this. But their coach
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: or his coach might take another job this offseason. Then
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: everything you planned for was up in smoke, right? I just...
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: I think it's just difficult, in my opinion, to do
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: this now. But hey, man, maybe get ahead of it
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: and see what happens afterwards. But good for Oregon State
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: to afford those guys. Their biggest potential donor now probably
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: won't be donating anytime soon. Do you know who that is,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: by the way?
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: It's Phil Knight.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 4: No, Oregon State.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: I thought he was a huge donor to Oregon State also.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: Well, no. So you know... Have you been following this
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: story about the president and CEO of this AI chip company? Oh.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: So he's an Oregon State alum.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: The NVIDIA guy?
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: I did not know that.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: Yes. He's like the richest alum of any. He's like
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: the second richest guy in the world right now. He's
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: never given money to football. He never gave money to
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 4: sports at Oregon State. Absolutely an Oregon State grad.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: The NVIDIA guy. Yeah. Can you believe that?
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: I did not know that. Jensen Huang, is that his name?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: He's an Oregon State grad.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: If you haven't been paying attention, by the way, to
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: the tech space, because you're like me and you're a
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: sports idiot, Jensen Huang, the president and CEO of NVIDIA,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: which is the biggest AI company in the world, He
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: was found having an affair with an apparent Chinese spy
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: and is likely to be forced out of his positions
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: at NVIDIA.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: He moved to the United States and settled in Beaverton, Oregon.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: And as a teenager, he went to Aloha High School
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: in Aloha, Oregon, which is outside of Portland. He skipped
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: two grades, graduated at 16, and went to Oregon State
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: due to its low tuition cost.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: Amazing. He studied and he graduated in 1984 and then
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: went to Stanford for a master's degree in engineering.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: All you need is what, like here, here's something that
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: if you're a college football coach, if you're a college
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: football player and you want good things for the future
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: of your program, go find like the 16 year old
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: early high school graduate that's on campus right now. And
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: just be friendly to that person because you, They're the
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: ones who end up being the billionaires who could change
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: the trajectory of your athletic program.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Indiana has no idea how fortunate they are.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure they do have an idea. Mark Cuban
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: is a sports guy and a billionaire. We talked about
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: this when we were doing Pac-12 radio together. Stanford has
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: enough billionaire and multi-multi-millionaire alum that their football team should
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: have all the resources in the world. But none of
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: those people donate to football because they weren't around football
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: when they were correct.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: Correct. Um, and, uh, and, and it's, it's, yeah, if
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: you got your billionaires to donate, but again, like this
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: year though, you know, all the teams making a lot
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: of money are not playing as well. And so I
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: do wonder, we've talked about this for years now. It's
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: going to be a little pullback at some point, right?
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a little bit of a, of
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: pullback from boosters that are not, they're not getting the
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: return on the investment. Um, they're not getting the, um,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: the wins that they paid for. And I wonder if
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: there'll be a pullback at some point. Um, did you see,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 4: I just came across my timeline that the Diana Rossini
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: tweeted for the first time since April, the mentions are, uh, quite, uh, what,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: what do you expect? What the internet is good at?
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: Put it like that. Not good at all.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: You mean, you mean she's not getting the warm welcome
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: back that she expected?
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think playing the victim is a good way
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: to come back from that scandal, but that's so be it. Um,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: I just– it's just– I don't know, man. It's definitely
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: a thing that happened in sports media.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: How much does Keenan Allen help the San Francisco 49ers?
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 4: I saw a tweet of, like, a bunch of old
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 4: guys playing, like, tackle football. Probably was AI videos. This
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: is the Niners in two weeks. Gray-haired guys that– or
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: it's– Look, I think he's a good football player, but
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: now you basically have two older wide receivers, and Evans
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: has been great. I actually think he's played much better
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: than I thought he would, to be fair. And I
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 4: think it's just another depth guy, right? That's all it
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: is to me, another depth piece. What you need? You
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 4: need depth pieces to be good in the sport and
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 4: to have guys available. Is he a difference maker? I
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: don't know, Sean. I don't know. What's interesting in the
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 4: NFL with– with what's happening with the Niners and now
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 4: the Vikings today with their trade. The Seahawks just aren't right.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: really as good. The Rams have so many injuries this season.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: The Bears look great. And Caleb Williams decided to turn
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 4: into whatever that was. I don't know what that was
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 4: in the middle of that game yesterday.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: Very interesting.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 4: The AFC is basically seven teams right now. Maybe if
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: you think the Texans can come into there, there's eight teams. Otherwise,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: we're pretty set on that side of the bracket. the
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 4: NFC is really fast because we're not, we're not close
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: to being set on that side.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: Who do you think it's going to be?
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: I still like the bears. I think the bears, I
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: really love the trade for Simmons. You can tell immediately that,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: you know, what, what that did for, uh, for that, that,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: that defense, right. And for the defensive line. And so I, I,
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: that to me is a, is a really impactful trade
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: really early. And we've seen that so far, just avoid
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: that Caleb Williams. Like that was a very odd performance
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: from Caleb. He looked great until he didn't really in
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: that game. Um, And look, the Rams are super beat
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: up right now, which doesn't help. The Seahawks are not
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 4: as good. Minnesota does get Cousins, which, you know, he
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: was okay this year, not great. Better than what they have.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, last night was just an abomination of football
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 4: and offense for the Vikings that game. I'm sure if
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: we're getting someone else, but, you know, it feels like
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 4: those are the, I like, I bet on the Bears.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: I think the Bears are the team to win the NFC. Interesting.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: I hope you're not right, but.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, to me, the Niners, like, how injured are
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: the Niners? Like how can they make it a deep
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 4: playoff run with their injuries right now? Which I know
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: that I know Bosa's back and are going to be,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: is he back come back this week or is he
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 4: back soon? I forget.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't even watch him this weekend. So I don't know.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 4: It was, yeah, it was obviously pretty big of a
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: joke game for them. They do whatever they wanted.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: Well, uh, we're overclocked again or else I'd pick your
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: brain for another few minutes.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: What time is it? Oh yeah. It happens when you're
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: having fun.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: All right. Um, You want anything from Dubai? I'm headed
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: there to call some flights.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 4: A little Dubai chocolate. All right. I bought a lot
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 4: of tickets tonight because it's like a billion dollars. And
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: I asked Barrett this morning if we win, like, what
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: would happen? And she said she'd be, like, in Dubai
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 4: with a private plane. Except, you know what? I'm out
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: on private planes now.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: No, what?
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 4: It's not worth it. Like, too many crashes. It's not
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 4: worth it. Just take a commercial flight. It's a little
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 4: bit longer. I get it. But buy one of those, like,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 4: Layback seats. Not that I fly private planes often, but
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: just once in my life. Oregon recruiting trip. But enough
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: private planes. Too many crashes, man.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: Isn't it usually the little prop planes that are crashing north?
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: The jet's pretty solid.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 4: There's a jet that flew out of the sky last week.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not paying attention to every jet crash story.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: Buddy, this was a pretty big story. You didn't see
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 4: this last week?
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think I did.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: In Palm Beach?
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 4: You probably should. Oh, okay. Well, a jet like had
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: a terrible accident and like nine people died last week
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 4: in a, like a fire. You didn't see. So like
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: basically the plane lost like altitude in like a minute,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: went for 40,000 feet to zero. And there's a video
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 4: like of a, like from a security camera of the plane.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: Like it, it, you know, it's pretty graphic.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for bringing that.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's why I, that's why I just fly.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 4: Like I'm glad you're flying commercial.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, I will be flying commercial.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: Are you in? Are you getting a nice seat at least?
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: And you sleep the whole time, right?
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: That's so, oh man, that's incredible. Oh, last thing quickly.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: I know we're over time. I don't care. I'm finally
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: doing it for Thanksgiving. I'm sitting first class. My kids
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: are sitting in coach.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: You did it, yes.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: I did it.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: How far back in coach?
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: So American flights go like one through four or one
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: through five first class and then row eight is the
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: first row of coach and they're sitting 11. All right. Okay.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: And the aisle, aisle and window, I mean, aisle and, and, uh,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 4: and middle seat. Um, and they're, so yeah, they're in
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: coach and we're sitting first. I'm like, buddy, I love
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: you guys, but like, you don't need to, you just
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: watch your iPads for five free internet now for everyone.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: So like, they're going to be in their iPads for
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: five hours.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: They don't even eat the first class food. Cause they
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: don't like it. Like they're not eating those meals. So like,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: I'll just get, just we'll load up your snacks in
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: your bag. I'll, you know, and we'll just, whatever, man,
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 4: you don't, I'll send you a Sprite back there. You
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? Whatever.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: Have the stewardess, have the flight attendant go back there.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: This is from your dad.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 4: Second class. I told you they call it second class, right?
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: That's what your kids call it?
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: In the past, Emmy's been like, are we seeing first
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: class or second class?
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, the life of a spoiled child.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: Can't relate.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 4: Our kids are spoiled, too. Come on.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: This is from one of our texters.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: As a private pilot, I have thoughts about what happened
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: and Jeff's take on it right now.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: That's for a whole segment, though.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: We'll do that one next. All right.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 4: Bye, buddy. Have a good week, everyone.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: See you. Thanks, Jeff.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz, NFL veteran, former Oregon Duck, college football and
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: NFL analyst.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 5: You can see him on Sundays, by the way, on Fox.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 5: Private plane crash analyst as well.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 4: Apparently.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 4: Apparently.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: Darren, go ahead and text me your full thoughts on
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: that because I would like to know.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 5: Resident resident BYU fan, Darren. We haven't heard his thoughts
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: on how the holy war came out too. If you
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 5: want to text that in Darren.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: Probably feels the same way he does. It's about private
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: plane crashes. Just something that he never wants to see ever.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, lots left to get to here on the Sean
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: O'Connell show.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. Utah's number one sports talk ESPN 700
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: and 92 on FM.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 6: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show, your source for
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 6: the best youth football coverage. Here's OC from the Murdoch
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 6: Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but if you
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: want to take a good little snapshot of what Utah
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: football is up against when it comes to national perception...
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: even though they beat a ranked Houston team, even though
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: they beat a ranked BYU team, a top 10 BYU team,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: there's a perfect vignette.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: It's under two minutes long. You could find it all
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: over the place on Twitter.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: Heather Dinich and Mike Greenberg and Paul Feinbaum are talking
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: about resumes and they're talking about rankings in college football.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, they are not believers in this
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: Utah football team.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: I get it. It means you probably didn't watch him.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: And even if you do, there are plenty of things
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: you could question about this Utah football team. They do
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: give up a lot of explosive plays on defense. They're
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: kind of a bend. Don't break kind of a situation here,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: but they're so both did it.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: You didn't find bomb and find bomb is a sec clown.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: So you don't really have to pay attention to what
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: he says, but the mental gymnastics that people whose agenda
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: is attached to the sec and the big 10, especially
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: the sec, what they're willing to do in order to
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: justify the positioning of like a Georgia who has a
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: loss and Utah doesn't, uh, and to diminish UCLA and
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: to diminish Utah. It's really fascinating what these people are
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: willing to do. Uh, and it's under two minute clip.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: I encourage you to watch it because what the, they're like, Oh, well,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: BYU helped out Utah by throwing a bunch of picks and,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: you know, Utah had a hard time beating Colorado. And
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: of course the easy comeback. And the thing that is
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: not mentioned by Paul Feinbaum is well, Georgia had an
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: even harder time beating Auburn. They didn't beat Auburn. Is that,
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: isn't that how that works?
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 5: If you had a hard time beating a team, that's
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 5: better than losing to a team that's beneath you.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: Is it that Isn't that true?
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: And look, when you watch Georgia, Molly Whopper ranked team
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: in the same week that Utah has a, you.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: Know, one score win against the rival.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: It's okay for you to say, I think Georgia might
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: actually be the better team, but your logic has to
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: extend beyond just like, well, Utah had a hard time
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: beating Colorado.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: They're unbeaten. They found a way to win.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: Georgia did not do that against Utah. against Auburn. You
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: could say, you know what? I like Georgia better because
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: they grayed out this much. They, because they don't have
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: as many offensive or they haven't given up as many
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: explosive plays to opposing offenses. I liked their quarterback better.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: You could say whatever you want to try to support
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: your point. That's what these college football discussion shows are
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: about is you just fill time and you make your
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: points and hopefully you get some engagement.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: People love it. People hate it, whatever.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: And Being dismissive of an undefeated team nine games into
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: a season is just not.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: The right thing to do.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not even ready to bet that Utah finishes the
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: regular season undefeated. But you can't diminish the work that
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: they have done because the work that they have done
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: is better than the work that other teams have done.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: That one lost teams have done, that two lost teams
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: have done, and three lost teams have done.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: And the same goes for UCLA. I feel like I'm
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: taking crazy.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: Pills sometimes because people are just like, okay, well, but
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: who have they played? Look, UCLA hasn't played very tough games.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: They haven't Oregon's their best opponent so far. And I mean,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: the only current is not very good this year, despite
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: being ranked.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: The only currently ranked team on their schedule that they
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: beat is Oregon.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 5: They, they need a decent Wisconsin team. Like it's worse than,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 5: than Utah's strength schedule for sure. Here's the thing they
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 5: they've won.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: And Georgia, I think Georgia might be the best team
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: in the country. I actually think that you can't definitively
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: say even after these nine games that Utah's definitively better
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: than like Notre Dame, even though they have a common opponent,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: because it's all about what happens on a given day.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: And it's about match-ups and it's about personnel and things
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: like that. And this Utah team has some limitations, but
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: you know what limitation they don't have when it comes
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: to these rankings, they don't have a loss to hold
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: against them.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: And everyone except UCLA does.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 4: So they're.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: It's just a nice little snapshot of the absolutely insane
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: bias that you're up against when you're not in the sec.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: And now the big 10 gets that same benefit of
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: the doubt. As long as you are a team that's
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: associated with big tens identity, which UCLA is currently not.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: UCLA is not even given the same big 10 Alliance
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: mentally by people as Oregon and USC are UCLA is
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: still a basketball school that is having this kind of
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: outlier weird year in Bob Chesney's first season.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: And he's doing an incredible job. Morgan Scali is doing
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: an incredible job. Kirby smart at Georgia is doing an
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: incredible job. There's a bunch of coaches doing great work,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: but When you're looking at the experts and the thought shapers,
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: they don't want Utah to be in that same conversation,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: so they're doing everything.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, they almost lost to Colorado. Almost only counts in
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: hand grenades and horseshoes. Almost lost doesn't count any more
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: than almost win does. Almost loss is still a win, right.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: Paul Feinbaum?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: If you say, hey, Georgia almost beat Auburn, everyone's going
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: to laugh you out of the building, and they should.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: because they did almost beat Auburn. That's a loss still
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: a loss yet unranked Auburn, which by the way, like
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: in Auburn is not much better than Arkansas. So you
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: can say, well, look, you think this sec talent pool
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: is that much deeper, that much better. Go see what
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: Utah did to an sec team. And I know it's
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: not the best sec team. And we've never thought that
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: we've never said that we've never maintained that, but If
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: Utah had been beaten by Arkansas, they would be lambasted
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: for it. Georgia doesn't get that same treatment for losing
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: to an Auburn team that is 5-4.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: They've got two more wins than Arkansas does.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 5: Paul Feinbaum and those guys would say, well, but that's
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 5: a rivalry game.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, okay.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: Take that into account when you think about Utah not
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: being as dominant against the top 10 team as Georgia
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: was against the top 10 team last weekend. Rivalry games
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: are usually close, right?
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 5: Rivalry games are usually hard to win, right?
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: If Utah had three losses, would they be ranked? Probably not.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss has three losses and are ranked number 10
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: in the country.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, Florida was a three-loss team going into this weekend.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: They have four losses now. I doubt that they're ranked.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 5: With four losses, but it took Florida losing four times
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 5: to not be ranked. Like they don't give that treatment
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 5: to big 12 teams. They don't give that treatment to
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 5: ACC teams, Florida still ranked number 24. Well, I mean,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 5: till tonight, they're still ranked 24 because the rankings haven't
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 5: come out yet.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. These are still, they're not ranked football playoff.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 5: They're not ranked in the AP poll. They are ranked
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 5: in the CFP. won't be 10 to.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: Just so you know, right now, the Missouri tigers, the
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: LSU tigers, the South Carolina game, Cox, the Ole miss
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: rebels are all three lost teams in the sec that
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: last week had a number next to their name. And
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: some of those were big numbers, highly ranked. Another thing
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: I wanted to bring up in this segment, cause I don't,
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be here tomorrow. Um, unfortunately the, uh,
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: flights to the middle East are hard to rely on
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: these days because of instability in the region, which is
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: not exactly comforting when you're getting on one of those flights. However, uh,
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: that means I have to leave earlier tomorrow than usual,
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: but this was a graphic put out earlier and I
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: tweeted it. So at real OC sports, if you want
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: to check it out, uh, it is a comprehensive, uh,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: tackling assessment how well does your defense tackle from the
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: sources true media statistician company whatever utah currently ranks 68th
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: in all of division one college football as a team
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: that misses 14.6 percent of their tackles i actually thought
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: utah was much higher this year than this and i
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: think it's because i i can't recall more than a
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: small handful of meaningful missed tackles of tackles where you're like, Ooh,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: you needed that guy to make the tackle and he
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: didn't get it.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I, there was zero.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: There were zero in the BYU game where you needed
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: to get the stop right there and you didn't get
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: it because of a missed tackle. Now tackles being late,
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: getting to the spot after he'd already, you know, gained
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: the first down, whatever that happened. But I could not
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: think of even one missed tackle that was of consequence
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: in against BYU. Guess where BYU ranks on this list
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: one through one 38 of.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: Tackling teams in division one football.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 5: Speaker 3 I mean, if I, if there hadn't have
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 5: already been a narrative around BYU missing a lot more
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 5: tackles this year than years past, I would, I would guess, okay.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 5: They're probably in the seventies somewhere around Utah. They're one 36,
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 5: one 36. They're second third from last. They're missing 18.7%
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 5: of their tackles.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 4: Jeez.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: Florida Atlantic and Iowa state are the only worst tackling teams.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: That is rough. The number one tackling team in the
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: country is Oregon. Go figure Oregon one Tulsa, two Notre Dame,
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: three Ohio state, four North Texas five.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: This is one of, this is another one of those stats.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: It does not.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 5: We, we talked about this a couple of years ago
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 5: with sacks allowed because Devin was coming in and, and
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 5: he was never sacked basically his last year at, at
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 5: New Mexico. And we were looking at, okay, what are
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 5: the best teams that at allowing the least amount of sacks?
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: And it was not like a, it was not a
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: mirror image with the best teams in the country. This
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: is another one. That's like that.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 5: Cause it's like, Oh, Oregon's went Tulsa's too. It's a
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 5: very interesting how some of these stats work out.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, UMass number six in tackling UMass Northern Illinois. Who's
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: not having a great season in the Mac, by the way,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: they're top 10. You know, the other interesting thing about
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: this is the range is close. Like Oregon's number one.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: at 10% miss tackle rate.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 5: That's only 4% lower than Utah. Who's 68 right in
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 5: the middle of the pack.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: It's only 10% difference between the worst team in the country.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: And at this stat, which happens to be Iowa state
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: at about 20%. Miami's in the bottom 10 and they're still,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: they were number one going into last week.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: Why you is in the bottom three and they were
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: still a top 10 team going into last week. So yeah,
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: it's a, it's one of those fascinating stats that may
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: or may not translate when you're actually talking about how
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: good teams are before we take our last break and
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: we'll come back and we'll give away a free lunch
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: to Zao Asian cafe. The advocates go to Utah advocates.com 24, seven,
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: three 65. If you've been in an accident, if you've
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: been injured in a slip and fall or an auto
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: accident or a biking accident or a scooter accident or
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: a boating accident, maybe it happened earlier this year. Maybe
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: it was in the summer and you're still dealing with
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: the pain and you miss work because of it.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: You might be due some compensation. You might have a case.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: And guess what? Without help, the.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: Insurance company is probably not going to cut you that check.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: That's where the advocates come in.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: Award-winning injury attorneys that are looking for one thing and
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: one thing only, to get you what you deserve.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: Consultations, zero cost.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: No out-of-pocket expense unless they win your case for you.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: You'll never pay a dime out of pocket while the
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: advocates do the work. It's when they win the case,
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: when they get the settlement, that's when the advocates get
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: their piece of the pie. And it's a small one
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: because the rest goes to you. Holidays are coming up
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: the most dangerous time of the year to drive, not
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: only because of bad weather, but because of other drivers
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: not being responsible on the road, being distracted, being drunk, whatever.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: Advocates want you to be safe on the roads this
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: holiday season. If you are injured by another driver, remember,
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: the case is not going to be against that driver.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: It's going to be against their insurance company who does
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: not want to compensate you. Don't try to fight an
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: insurance company on your own. Have an advocate help you out.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: You do not deserve to be in that accident. You
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: do deserve an advocate looking out for you and your
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: rights and your compensation.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: Utahadvocates.com.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: Tell them you heard about it on the Sean O'Connell
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: Show and ESPN 700. We'll give away a free lunch
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: to Zao Asian Cafe next with a trivia question. It's
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: Utah's number one sports talk, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 6: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 6: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: Zao Asian Cafe. A free meal card. If you could
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: answer this question, 877-353-0700. Devin Dampier, we told you we
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: got the junk mail this morning. Devin Dampier has been
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: named a semifinalist for one of the national awards.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: Which one was that? Not.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: Not the weekly award that he got, but the semi-finalist
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: award list he was added to. 877-353-0700 for a free
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: meal at Zhao Asian Cafe in the junk mail today.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: Advanced Window Products brings you our friends at Advanced Window
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: Products bring you our crosstalk every single day.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 4: 801-850-9100.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: The drive is next. Spence Checkets is here. Hey, bud. Hello, Sean.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 4: How are you, buddy? Great. Good Tuesday.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: Good show today.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 8: Still basking in the BYU-Utah glory.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: My daughter's principal, I think, made fun of me this
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: morning because all last week I wore Utah gear.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: And so far, two days this week, I've worn Utah gear.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 4: Nothing wrong with it.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: And he's like, still going, huh?
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: You see it a lot.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 8: I was noticing, just driving around town, running some errands.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 4: Harmon's.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 8: Harmon's Hot Bar lunchtime. Underrated lunch. folks with key cards
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 8: and such. But a lot of Ute gear, a lot
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 8: of people flying the flag, as you should, as a result.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 8: And I was listening to you and James kind of
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 8: go back and forth about what we're going to see tonight. Reminder,
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 8: the CFP rankings will be released just after 5 o'clock
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 8: Mountain Time. We're going to bring those to you live.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: Say that again?
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 8: We will not bring those to you.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: Live at 5. 7 tonight because of college basketball games.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: What a bummer.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 8: That's one of my favorite segments we do during the college,
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 8: especially when there's compelling storylines like there is. We got Duke, UNC,
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 8: who is it?
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 4: Kansas.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: You're going to have to come up with some content now.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 8: Nah, we'll just replay something. But 7 o'clock, I guess.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 8: It's funny the way we cover this sport, and it's
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 8: funny the way the committee goes about their business of
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 8: analyzing things these teams, because I can tell you, like,
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 8: if you talk to any coach and yes, there are
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 8: scales of wins, there are better wins against better opponents
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 8: and higher. Obviously we, we know that no coach is
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 8: going to be like, yeah, that was a bad win
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 8: with the way this stuff works week in and week out.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 8: I heard you talking about the Colorado game and yes,
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 8: if you're a youth fan, you would have preferred them
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 8: to go down and leave, no doubt, cover the spread,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 8: all those things. But I guarantee Morgan Scali's not like, yeah,
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 8: that was a bad win. No, like, your job is
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 8: to pass the test that's in front of you every
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 8: single week.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 8: And the tests are so different week in and week
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 8: out because of the nature of this sport. And as
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 8: Lou Holtz famously once said, you never get the same
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 8: team every week in college football.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 4: These are children.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 8: So to keep teenagers and then, you know, early 20s,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 8: without their prefrontal cortex developed focused on the task week
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 8: in and week out that to me really should be
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 8: all that matters and i guess once we expand this
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 8: thing to 24 it'll be feel like a little bit
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 8: more of a meritocracy but we do this thing where
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 8: it's like okay georgia lost to auburn and what does
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 8: that mean because auburn isn't very good and then What's
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 8: the venue? Is it a rivalry game? Who was healthy?
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 8: Was your quarterback? All the things we do. And if
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 8: you're Morgan Scali, you're just kind of like, dude, we're 9-0, man.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 8: And we've passed every test that we've had that has
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 8: put to us so far this year. And that really
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 8: should be the main driver of how we analyze football.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting to me because....
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: The truth is it all comes out in the wash, right?
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: By the end of the year, we know who the
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: great teams are. We know who the good teams are.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: If there is a truly elite team, they remain undefeated.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: And we look at them and we say, wow, look
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: what that team is. That's why you have the 12
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: game sample size, because we were pretty high on some
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: teams in week six that we're no longer that high on.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: So it all comes out in the wash. But people
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: don't want to let it when it comes to, like, Georgia.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 2: They don't want to let it when it comes to
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame. They want to control that narrative and shape
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 2: that instead of, like, if Utah finishes undefeated, they are
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: undeniable as either the number one or number two team
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: in the country. If they're the only undefeated team and
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: they would have had at least three ranked wins in
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: order to get there, right, then they're the best team,
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: the number one team in the country. Paul Feinbaum doesn't
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: want you to think that way because he wants to say, no,
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: we're going to tell everyone Georgia, even though they lost,
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: is better than somebody else who's only won.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: It's like, just wait and see what happens. Just wait
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: and see.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: If Georgia ends up being a one-loss team, in a
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: sea of one-loss teams, they can be the best one.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: If Utah and UCLA both finish undefeated... then you should
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: decide which of their undefeated records is more impressive.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: You don't have to compare.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: Them to the one loss team because the one loss
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: teams stubbed their toe when these undefeated teams didn't.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 1: It's how it should work. And we just won't let it.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: And it's absolutely aggravating.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 8: Well, and you touched on this as I was driving
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 8: in and, you know, little inside baseball peek behind the curtain.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 8: The fact of the matter is this is an intentional
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 8: process because it brings attention to the sport. ESPN wants
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 8: a 25 to 30 minute broadcast window where Reese Davis
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 8: and whoever the hell else is on the panel, the
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 8: Booger McFarlane. I can't remember who was on it last week.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 8: It's the one thing that McAfee doesn't do on that network.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 8: I guess they want this 25 minute TV show where
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 8: these guys can banter back and forth and are probably
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 8: encouraged to say something salacious about certain teams to draw attention.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 8: But just at the, at the end of the day,
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 8: I hate to fall back on this. deal i've been
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 8: talking about for so long this is one of the
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 8: reasons why i believe the most prudent approach here pragmatic
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 8: approach here is to rip the band-aid off and essentially
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 8: go pro go professional model where you have conferences and
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 8: divisions and ultimately you have a playoff format where we
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 8: don't have to worry about comparing Oregon's one loss in
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 8: October to Ohio State's one win in November and what
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 8: does that mean compared to each other and was Julian
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 8: saying plane. And now that he's hurt, what is it like?
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 8: Just solve it on the field. It's, it's the only
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 8: thing that I think we all can agree. It's, it's
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 8: why we love this sport. It is maybe the last
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 8: bastion of meritocracy in American society, where we want to
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 8: believe the best athletes in our country are competing as
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 8: hard as they possibly can against each other. And it
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 8: is the ultimate in live theater. We don't know how
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 8: it's going to end. And that's the way it should
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 8: be solved as opposed to all these other things that
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 8: we do, which again, the motivation is it brings tremendous
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 8: interest to the sport because there isn't a 30 minute
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 8: broadcast window every Tuesday night to compare whether or not
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 8: the Chicago bears are playing, you know, good football right
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 8: now compared to what they did three weeks ago. And
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 8: what does that mean for the Packers? If Jordan love
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 8: isn't all the crap that we do in college, we
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 8: don't do in the pros because they solve it on
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 8: the field with a structured schedule that has conferences and divisions.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 8: And if you win games, you'll advance to the playoffs.
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 8: And if you advance to the playoffs, you'll play against
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 8: the other good teams. And if you keep winning, you'll
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 8: win the Superbowl college football, just in my opinion, should
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 8: do the very same thing, but that's just me.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: The only downside is that the differentiator for the college
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 2: football regular season has been, there is no room for error.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 2: And now there's, if you're Ole Miss or Georgia, You
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: can lose four games. Like the Kansas city chiefs have
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: won a bunch of super bowls. Sometimes when they have
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: five regular season losses, right? That's pro football. That's my
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: only issue with the expanded college football playoff field is
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: that now if you're in the sec or the big 10,
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: you can be an eight win team and you make
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: that 24 team field.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 1: In the big 12, you still got to be 10
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: and two problem.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and look, the 24-team expanded field does inch it
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 8: closer and closer to a pro model. And, you know,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 8: it will remove some of the urgency from the weekend
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 8: and week out you know fall saturday in the fall
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 8: type deal that is one of the things that does
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 8: separate this sport from its professional peer i guess is
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 8: what i'd say but we're too far down the rabbit
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 8: hole to go back now and expanding the thing to
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 8: 24 does dilute the regular season to a point where
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 8: I just don't think there's any point of return. So
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 8: you might as well rip the Band-Aid off because the
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 8: other thing going to the pro model solves are the
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 8: issues that a lot of fans don't like anyway, which
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 8: is free agency every summer. The only sport in the world,
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 8: free agency every summer. Central leadership in place, put a
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 8: cap on spending, let the players unionize, collectively bargain. Just
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 8: do the deal.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: We're there.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 8: And the longer you drag your heels in this, the
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 8: more confused people become And wonder what's next. And going
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 8: to a 24-team CFP essentially is another step in that direction.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for The Drive with Spence Checkins. Thanks for
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 2: listening to the Sean O'Connell Show today. I am unfortunately
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: out the rest of the week on PFL duties. We'll
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 2: have a plan for you. You'll still be able to
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 2: hear Edition with Dev and Coordinator's Corner. We're going to
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: record those before I leave. But sorry, I'll be gone.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700, 92.1 FM.