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Triangulating Bermuda's Mysteries · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: And the subject is the Bermuda Triangle. That's a good subject.
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Speaker 1: When is the last time you heard about the the
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Speaker 1: Bermuda triangle? How long has that been? Honestly, I forgot
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Speaker 1: about the Bermuda triangle. I had a book on all
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Speaker 1: the triangles and it was an old book that was
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Speaker 1: falling apart. I got rid of it. Since that book,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever thought of the Bermuda Triangle
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Speaker 1: and I was talking to my friend writer Lee, who
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Speaker 1: does Raised by Giants and over on YouTube, and Writers said, Hey,
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Speaker 1: we could talk about the Bermuda Triangle. And I thought,
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Speaker 1: that's a great idea. Writer, we should talk about the
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Speaker 1: Meina Triangle. So we have writer with us tonight. I'll
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Speaker 1: bring him on in just a moment, but before we
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Speaker 1: get into that. I grew up in Florida, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it was just my household or my family,
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Speaker 1: but in Florida people know about the Bermuda Triangle because
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Speaker 1: it's right off the coast of Florida. Well, I mean technically,
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Speaker 1: it's a very large area that spans from southeastern Florida,
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Speaker 1: kind of like the Miami area, all across the Bahamas,
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Speaker 1: and it stretches out to Bermuda in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the Atlantic Ocean and then downward to I think it's
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Speaker 1: like the tip of its like northern Puerto Rico. It's
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Speaker 1: just above Hati and the Dominican Republic, So you get
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Speaker 1: this big, big triangle. Now, also living in Florida and
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Speaker 1: hearing about the Bermuda Triangle and then watching the Discovery Channel,
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Speaker 1: the History Channel, watching these different shows I remember as
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Speaker 1: a kid, I was fascinated with something like this, anything supernatural,
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Speaker 1: anything unexplained. But as a kid, I didn't understand that
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Speaker 1: much of what you see on the Discovery Channel and
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Speaker 1: the History Channel is a stretch of the facts and
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Speaker 1: the imagination, to say the And so as I learned
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Speaker 1: more about everything I was interested in, especially you know,
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Speaker 1: UFOs and mysterious things like the Bermuda Triangle. Over the years,
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Speaker 1: I learned, well, there's definitely mystery there, and there might
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Speaker 1: be individual explanations for why a ship or why a
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Speaker 1: plane disappeared, but it's probably not because this is one
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Speaker 1: of the big conspiracies that it's been concealed in the
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Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle, that there's an Atlantean pyramid that has a
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Speaker 1: crystal at the top that beams a signal that disables electronics.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like an EMP or if
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Speaker 1: someone took some LSD or some DMT or something like
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Speaker 1: that and they imagine that. I don't know what the
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Speaker 1: situation is, but that's one of those sort of tabloid
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Speaker 1: stories that goes alongside of the Bermuda Triangle. Right. You
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Speaker 1: hear something like that and you're thinking well, that's nonsense.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy or you believe it. And either way, whether
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Speaker 1: you believe it or you think it's crazy, it takes
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Speaker 1: away from the true mystery of the Bermuda Triangle. And also,
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Speaker 1: you know, the question is like is this thing still active?
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Speaker 1: Do planes and boats still go missing or have issues
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Speaker 1: with their electronics? I mean, with the amount of influence
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Speaker 1: something like this has had on pop culture. Not maybe
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Speaker 1: as much anymore, but it was a lot bigger, probably
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago. For as much influence as something like
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Speaker 1: this has had, you don't really hear anything about it today.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of died off in terms of popularity. And
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Speaker 1: there are also other triangles around the world. In fact,
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Speaker 1: there's one off the coast of Japan, probably the other
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Speaker 1: major famous triangle. But the Bermuda Triangle, with all the popularity,
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Speaker 1: you would think that like thousands of ships and thousands
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Speaker 1: of planes, like there's just fleets of ships and just
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Speaker 1: like ten thousand planes at the bottom of the ocean.
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Speaker 1: But that's that's not actually true. This triangle that's in
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Speaker 1: the North Atlantic or in the central to South Atlantic.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, it's in North America, the Atlantic Ocean. I
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Speaker 1: guess it goes south to north, but it's mainly kind
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Speaker 1: of in central to south. They estimate about fifty ships
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Speaker 1: and twenty planes have disappeared. That's a lot, especially if
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Speaker 1: they were big ships, big planes, but it's not kind
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Speaker 1: I don't know. My impression at least was always that
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Speaker 1: there were like thousands of planes, and like anybody who
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Speaker 1: flies into this thing, immediately the plane just vanishes. It's
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Speaker 1: like an episode of the Twilight Zone. You're in Manhattan
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Speaker 1: and there's dinosaurs. But that's not really the case. There's
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Speaker 1: only been really maybe seventy different cases of some of
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Speaker 1: stuff disappearing in the Bermuda Triangle. And the other thing
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Speaker 1: is the boundaries of this Bermuda Triangle. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: can look at a map and they can highlight the area.
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Speaker 1: It's like Miami to Puerto Rico to Mute up in
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Speaker 1: the north of the Atlantic, central North Atlantic, the very
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Speaker 1: northern tip. But the boundaries really aren't agreed upon universally,
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Speaker 1: so not everybody even agrees where the boundaries of this
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Speaker 1: thing are. Some people have it coming down to Haiti
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Speaker 1: and Cuba, maybe Hell, maybe even Jamaica, and some people
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Speaker 1: have it extending up into like the East coast of
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Speaker 1: the United States. I mean I was always under impression
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Speaker 1: as a kid when they said that this thing was
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Speaker 1: off the coast of Florida, off the East coast. I
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Speaker 1: always thought it was like if I went to Daytona
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Speaker 1: and looked out at the Atlantic Ocean, that that was
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Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle. And that's not the case unless you
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Speaker 1: go several hundred miles out into the ocean. Then you
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Speaker 1: hit the very tip of it. But it's not really
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Speaker 1: agreed upon where the boundary is. So I would think
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Speaker 1: that makes research really difficult because if you're trying to
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Speaker 1: map out planes or ships that have gone missing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what if a plane or a ship goes missing just
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Speaker 1: you know, anywhere else in the world, like that Malaysian
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Speaker 1: flight for example, that didn't go missing in the Bermuda Triangle,
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Speaker 1: but it still went missing. Did it fall into a
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Speaker 1: Bermuda triangle like vortex? We just didn't know about that
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Speaker 1: particular triangle. I mean, how many things go through what
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Speaker 1: we call Bermuda Triangle and they don't have any issues
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Speaker 1: at all? Is it only certain times of the year.
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Speaker 1: Is it only certain times of the day. Is it
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Speaker 1: only during storms? A portal opens up in the clouds
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Speaker 1: like there are lots and lots of questions to ask
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Speaker 1: and lots of things to consider when we look at
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Speaker 1: something like this, especially when we try to really get
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Speaker 1: down into the details of it. And of course, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's a mystery, but there are also very earth based,
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Speaker 1: if you will, material scientific explanations. One of the major
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Speaker 1: theories is that at least for boats, there might be
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Speaker 1: rogue waves that strike a larger you know, vessel or
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Speaker 1: a smaller vessel even worse for a smaller vessel and
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Speaker 1: capsize it and sink it and you know, disappears. But
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Speaker 1: there's an explanation obviously for why that is. And even
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Speaker 1: if it is a supernatural explanation, there's still an explanation.
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Speaker 1: Very few things have no explanation. We as humans might
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Speaker 1: not have an explanation, but there's an explanation somewhere we
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Speaker 1: just don't really know. According to the US National Oceanic
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Speaker 1: and Atmospheric Administration, there is this is a quote. There
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Speaker 1: is no evidence that mysterious disappearance has occur with any
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Speaker 1: greater frequency in the Bermuda Triangle than any other large,
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Speaker 1: well traveled area of the ocean. Well based on the evidence.
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Speaker 1: I would be inclined to agree with that. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, boats and planes go missing elsewhere,
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Speaker 1: but we don't call those areas the Bermuda triangle. We
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Speaker 1: only call this the Peria triangle because of the area Bermuda.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a triangle within the area creates
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Speaker 1: a triangle the area that these planes and ships have
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Speaker 1: gone missing, and there's a cluster of them within that triangle.
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Speaker 1: But if something goes missing outside of that triangle, you know,
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Speaker 1: we still might turn it into some big conspiracy like
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Speaker 1: the Malaysian flight, but it doesn't get the same kind
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Speaker 1: of attention as say the Bermuda Triangle, although certainly people
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Speaker 1: talked about that. When we heard about the Malaysian Air
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Speaker 1: three was at MH three seventy that went missing. There's
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Speaker 1: all kinds of theories about that. It was over a
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Speaker 1: patent of vortext opened up. One of my favorite conspiracies
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Speaker 1: I read in Time magazine. This is from Time magazine.
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Speaker 1: The Illuminati did it. That's yes, the Illuminati. They they're
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Speaker 1: definitely yeah. They I don't know how they did it,
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Speaker 1: but they did it. It says, this is Time magazine,
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Speaker 1: the Illuminati. One guess points to the supposed vortex energy
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Speaker 1: and the Earth's surface that the Illuminati. So this is
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Speaker 1: combining two ridiculous things here. Well, one that's true, one
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Speaker 1: that's a little ridiculous. The Illuminati used the vortex energy
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Speaker 1: points of the Earth or ancient aliens were working with
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Speaker 1: the Illuminati. This is right from Time magazine. Who agent
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Speaker 1: Amelans who control the energy grid in order to disappear
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Speaker 1: the plane. That's my favorite Malaysian airline missing flight conspiracies.
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Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's bring on our good friend Ryder Lee.
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Speaker 1: We have a full show for tonight, by the way,
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Speaker 1: full two hours every day this week. It's just the same.
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Speaker 1: I just recorded these shows ahead of time. Rider Lee
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Speaker 1: is with us. Writer, thank you so much for coming
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Speaker 1: on the show. Let's talk about the Bermuda triangle. What
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Speaker 1: do you think so far of what I've.
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Speaker 2: Said Bermuda Bahama gone, I'm pretty Mama.
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Speaker 1: I should have brought you in with that Beach Boys dude.
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Speaker 2: I love the Beach Boys is freaking classic. But no,
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, dude, Like first off, things are
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Speaker 2: having me on, really appreciate it. Always joy and and
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Speaker 2: honor to be on your show. Always love talking with you,
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Speaker 2: thank you and you're right and seeing that because the
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Speaker 2: Bermuda Triangle was kind of one of the first things
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Speaker 2: that kind of got me into the community as well,
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Speaker 2: you know, like in the ripe days of YouTube in
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Speaker 2: like two thousand and eight, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 2: when they had all the conspiracy videos where they would
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Speaker 2: do lists, remember list where they would do like the
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Speaker 2: top ten weirdest and strangest things that ever happen and
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Speaker 2: stuff like that. Some of those were like some of
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Speaker 2: my favorite videos. And the Bermuda Triangle was always like
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Speaker 2: a mystery like they which a lot of the shows,
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Speaker 2: like you were mentioning, like with Discovery Channel and the
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Speaker 2: History Channel, those shows aren't meant to give you any answers,
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Speaker 2: you know. They're just meant to kind of wanst.
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Speaker 1: More questions to keep you watching your commercials.
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Speaker 2: That's right. That's to keep you on the hook, to
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Speaker 2: keep you to come back to continue to listen. They're
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Speaker 2: not there to like solve any mystery. And always thought
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Speaker 2: that the Bermuda Triangle was really interesting. And the latest
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Speaker 2: disappearance was in twenty nineteen with a craft called the Piper,
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Speaker 2: but I think that some wreckage was actually found or
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Speaker 2: a body actually came back. I think the strange ones
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Speaker 2: are the ones that they don't find any kind of
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Speaker 2: evidence of them ever being there. But at the same time,
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Speaker 2: it's like, dude, the ocean is huge, brow like you
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Speaker 2: you can get lost in the ocean really easily, Like
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Speaker 2: craft goes down like it's just buried. It's just gonna
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Speaker 2: sink into the ocean.
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Speaker 1: You know, you can get lost in a large lake
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Speaker 1: what direction you're going exactly.
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Speaker 2: And then there's the other triangles, like the Great Lakes triangle,
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Speaker 2: which is another really interesting one, and it's been estimated
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Speaker 2: that six thousand vessels have went missing in the Great
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Speaker 2: Lakes and only fifteen hundred of them have actually found
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Speaker 2: evidence of them going missing.
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Speaker 1: More than Bermuda, Right, that's a lot more than Bermuda,
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Speaker 1: a lot more.
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Speaker 2: And it's just they're just gone like they don't And
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Speaker 2: you would think that because the Great Lakes are like
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Speaker 2: a much smaller of an area. I mean, they are
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Speaker 2: really big. I've been up there before and I've seen
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Speaker 2: the how big it is. I mean, it looks like
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Speaker 2: it just goes on forever and ever. It's kind of
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Speaker 2: like the ocean, but it's not nearly as big as
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Speaker 2: the ocean, so that one is really strange how these
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Speaker 2: ships and vessels can just go missing in a fairly
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Speaker 2: large body of water, but not as large as the ocean.
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Speaker 2: It's more understandable that something can go missing in the
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Speaker 2: ok because is so expansive and it probably goes down
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Speaker 2: super deep. But in a lake it's a little bit
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Speaker 2: different of a story. But I guess that in a
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Speaker 2: lake it could probably since the water isn't moving as
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Speaker 2: much as it is in the ocean, it could just
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Speaker 2: sink and then nothing wouldever come up because there's not
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Speaker 2: a lot of movement to the water, so nothing is
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Speaker 2: really washing ashore. But that's only like a quarter of
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Speaker 2: the amount of craft that's gone missing in the Great
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Speaker 2: Lakes Triangle has been found, or any evidence of them
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Speaker 2: ever being there has ever been found.
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Speaker 1: And then you have other permuta like triangles, right, you
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Speaker 1: have not just the one in the Great Lakes. I'm
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Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. There's also one I believe
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Speaker 1: it's off of the coast of Or it's just a
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Speaker 1: part of southern southeastern Massachusetts out into the ocean a
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Speaker 1: little bit. It's called the Bridgewater Triangle, and you have
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Speaker 1: the Bennington Triangle, which is southwestern Vermont where things it's
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Speaker 1: a site where things go missing. So there's some of
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Speaker 1: these that are on land. Of course, you have vortexas
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Speaker 1: people talk about Skinwalker Ranch, although I'm very skeptical of
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Speaker 1: that place. So there's some on land as well as
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Speaker 1: out in the ocean. There's bodies of water like the
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Speaker 1: Great Lakes. And then I think probably one of the
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Speaker 1: more famous ones is I learned this really early on,
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Speaker 1: is that the counterpart in the east to the bringing
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Speaker 1: A Triangle is the Devil's Triangle, or they call it
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Speaker 1: the Devil's Sea, and this is in the Pacific Ocean.
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Speaker 1: It's actually off the coast of Japan, and there have
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Speaker 1: been strange lights, magnetic anomalies, and boats usually a lot
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Speaker 1: of fishing boats that go missing in this area, and
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Speaker 1: the Japanese government's been investigating that since like the nineteen
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Speaker 1: fifties I think it was. So this is global plus
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Speaker 1: there's also I don't know if you remember reading ever
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Speaker 1: about the what was it called out Atlantic anomaly. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of like a Bermuta triangle in space. So we
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Speaker 1: have these anomalies in lakes and oceans and space I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's probably something that if scientists really set down and
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Speaker 1: tried to explain what was causing this, we could There's
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Speaker 1: just no interest, I guess, in trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: what's causing it. But there's all kinds of anomalies and
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Speaker 1: that causes issues with navigation, and that could cause a
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Speaker 1: plane to hit the ocean.
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Speaker 2: Well. Also when you think of the times of when
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Speaker 2: a lot of these vessels went missing at the Bermuda Triangle,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure navigation was not the best in
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Speaker 2: electronic equipment was not the best, So it could have
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Speaker 2: been some sort of electrical storm. That's been one of
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Speaker 2: the running theories as to the disappearances, Like they went
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Speaker 2: into an electrical storm and shorted out there electron and
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Speaker 2: then they crashed into the ocean. I mean, if you're
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Speaker 2: at a high altitude and like you get hit by
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Speaker 2: some kind of lightning or you're involved in some kind
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Speaker 2: of storm, you know, and you're high up, you're going
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Speaker 2: to take a deep nose dive directly into the ocean
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Speaker 2: and you're going to be buried within a lot of water.
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Speaker 2: And I think the first when did the first disappearance
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Speaker 2: happened in the Bermuda training. I think it was like
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixteen or something like that. Like that's in the
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Speaker 2: very early years of like aerospace travel with like planes
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Speaker 2: and stuff.
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Speaker 1: You know, what year did you say?
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Speaker 2: I think it was nineteen sixteen. It might have been
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Speaker 2: a little bit later, as.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking on the Encyclopedia Britannica just to confirm that
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Speaker 1: it's a nineteen.
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Speaker 2: Eighteen, nineteen eighteen. Sorry, yeah, nineteen eighteen. I knew it
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Speaker 2: was early in our you know, ways of navigating you know,
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Speaker 2: the sky, and then they kind of went from there
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of you know, like hey, like our
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Speaker 2: equipment was just not as good as it was. And
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Speaker 2: then you have another triangle that's really interesting, which is
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Speaker 2: the Alaskan Triangle, where more people go missing per capita
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Speaker 2: in this Alaskan Triangle than anywhere else in the United States.
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Speaker 2: And that one was a huge mystery too, because it's
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Speaker 2: on land, and that kind of gets you know, relating
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Speaker 2: into the missing four one one people and the you know,
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Speaker 2: I think that it's it's all connected in some kind
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Speaker 2: of ways. And I think David Politis should do a
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Speaker 2: new documentary on these triangles and map out where all
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Speaker 2: these people are going missing. But it is really interesting
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Speaker 2: how but again in Alaska, it's a very remote area.
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Speaker 2: It's not you know, there's not a lot of people
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Speaker 2: up there, so it's you know, feasible that people can
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Speaker 2: just die from succumb to the elements, you know, and
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Speaker 2: you also have like the it's kind of the same
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Speaker 2: situation with the dut Love Past incident. It's the same
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Speaker 2: situation with the Corvinia incident in nineteen ninety three, which
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Speaker 2: they almost the exact same thing happened as did dat
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Speaker 2: Love Past incident, except that there was a survivor Valentinia, Corvenia.
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Speaker 2: That incident is very interesting where they're just hiking in
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Speaker 2: this mountain in Russia and one by one they all
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Speaker 2: start just falling to the ground and like convulsing and
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Speaker 2: bleeding out of their eyes, nose, and mouth. And only
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Speaker 2: one survivor of that because she ran away and then
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Speaker 2: she went these kayakers found her and she went to
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Speaker 2: the police station and gave her report of what happened.
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Speaker 2: And that's the only way that we know anything about
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Speaker 2: that case, or it would have been another kind of
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Speaker 2: diatlov pass event where these bodies are just discovered weeks
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Speaker 2: later after the incident, and nobody knows how it happened.
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Speaker 1: You know that if you look at the so you
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Speaker 1: mentioned the Alaska Triangle, I read that they say like
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Speaker 1: twenty thousand people have vanished in that large forest, and
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Speaker 1: there's always some basic explanation people got lost. Sure that
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Speaker 1: can explain some of them. Globally too, not just in Alaska.
21:55
Speaker 1: Anytime people vanished like that same thing in the ocean, lakes,
21:59
Speaker 1: on land and gener there's always people that make dumb decisions,
22:02
Speaker 1: or people get swept up in a storm, or people
22:04
Speaker 1: that just lose track of where they are. But a
22:07
Speaker 1: lot of these cases we're talking about, like if we
22:09
Speaker 1: go back to the Bermuda Triangle and the military, not
22:15
Speaker 1: like civilians, but the military, who even if it was
22:17
Speaker 1: older technology, you know, fifty sixty seventy eighty years ago,
22:21
Speaker 1: the military has had incidents going back to nineteen eighteen.
22:24
Speaker 1: That was the first incident. Actually the USS Cyclops which
22:29
Speaker 1: was going to Baltimore disappeared inside the triangle. So even
22:33
Speaker 1: though that was nineteen eighteen, that would have been at
22:35
Speaker 1: least we would assume that the highest level technology probably
22:40
Speaker 1: would have been in these military ships at least compared
22:42
Speaker 1: to the you know, civilian vessels, and they found no
22:46
Speaker 1: wreckage of it. That was in nineteen eighteen, and then
22:48
Speaker 1: twenty seven years later, a whole squadron of bombers. This
22:54
Speaker 1: is a very famous story American Lieutenant Charles Carrol Taylor.
22:57
Speaker 1: This whole squadron, actively known as Flight nineteen disappeared in
23:02
Speaker 1: the airspace above the Breuta Triangle. So and there's no
23:05
Speaker 1: wreckage or anything found. So the military has had a
23:08
Speaker 1: ship and they had an entire squadron of bombers disappear.
23:12
Speaker 1: But that's when you get into that. I don't to me,
23:15
Speaker 1: rider that's a little bit more than just a mystery,
23:18
Speaker 1: because that means like that's a lot of planes all
23:22
Speaker 1: disappearing essentially at once, with no evidence. No in the military,
23:26
Speaker 1: you know, even though it was nineteen eighteen, and then
23:28
Speaker 1: the the planes were twenty seven years later. I mean,
23:32
Speaker 1: the military is a little bit more on top of
23:33
Speaker 1: things than say a fishing vessel or just some people
23:37
Speaker 1: out on a boat. And to lose track of all
23:41
Speaker 1: those planes, to lose track of a military vessel and
23:43
Speaker 1: they find no remains of it, I mean that could
23:45
Speaker 1: also be because they weren't doing the follow up investigation.
23:49
Speaker 1: We didn't have the same kind of technologies and satellites
23:52
Speaker 1: and all of this to find evidence of these things.
23:55
Speaker 1: But then again we find today that, well, we can't
23:57
Speaker 1: find certain things like that Malaysian plane with all of
24:00
Speaker 1: our satellites and all of our technology. So I don't
24:03
Speaker 1: know that tells me that it's a little bit more
24:05
Speaker 1: than just coincidence, or a little bit more than just oh,
24:07
Speaker 1: there's a natural explanation. I mean, you would think that
24:11
Speaker 1: I would think that all those planes wouldn't suffer the
24:14
Speaker 1: same fate. Probably at the same time, there's something maybe
24:18
Speaker 1: a little bit more I only say supernatural, because it's
24:21
Speaker 1: just beyond what we can understand. It's something a little
24:23
Speaker 1: more supernatural to it.
24:25
Speaker 2: Well, you also have the Philadelphia experiment in nineteen forty
24:30
Speaker 2: three as well, So maybe some of these planes and
24:35
Speaker 2: these craft and these vessels that were going missing in
24:38
Speaker 2: the Bermuda triangle, they were trying to figure it out
24:41
Speaker 2: by you know, supposedly I mean, trying to make another
24:48
Speaker 2: something disappear to where they can control it and then
24:52
Speaker 2: have it reappear. I mean, regardless of what you think
24:56
Speaker 2: about the Philadelphia experiment, I think it's actually it's.
25:01
Speaker 1: You broke possible, you broke up really bad. Their case
25:04
Speaker 1: to say that again, go ahead.
25:06
Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Experiment. Where did you.
25:10
Speaker 1: Just the last moment there where you said.
25:12
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, regardless of what you think of the
25:15
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Experiment, I think that it's, you know, at least interesting.
25:20
Speaker 2: It's one of the more interesting conspiracies that are out there,
25:25
Speaker 2: though you know the history of it is pretty suspect
25:31
Speaker 2: and has been wrapped into well, you know, time travel
25:36
Speaker 2: and for Space program and all that.
25:39
Speaker 1: Say that thought, We're going to take a break. We'll
25:40
Speaker 1: come right back and go go back to Rider on
25:42
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Experiment. I'm Ryan Gable. This is the Secret
25:44
Speaker 1: Teachings Bermuda Triangle and other Triangles with Ryder Lee. We'll
25:48
Speaker 1: be right back. You are listening to the Secret Teachings Radio.
25:51
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Ryan Gable. We have Rider Lee with
25:54
Speaker 1: is tonight a good friend of mine. He hosts Raised
25:56
Speaker 1: by Giants on YouTube. You can find his show Raised
25:59
Speaker 1: by Giants. It's Ryder Lee Tonight. The Bermuda Triangle is
26:04
Speaker 1: at the center of our focus, not just the Bermuda Triangle,
26:08
Speaker 1: but just I guess what that represents in the larger
26:10
Speaker 1: context of other anomalies that we find worldwide. We have
26:15
Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle here in North America. If you go
26:20
Speaker 1: across the ocean to Japan, they have the Devil's Sea
26:25
Speaker 1: or what's called the Devil's Triangle. There's also other triangles
26:29
Speaker 1: by name triangles the Bennington Triangle, the Bridgewater Triangle, the
26:34
Speaker 1: Michigan Triangle. These are respectively, off of the coast of
26:41
Speaker 1: Massachusetts or somewhere near Massachusetts in Vermont, and then Michigan,
26:48
Speaker 1: which is I'm pretty sure that's the main area where
26:52
Speaker 1: Ryder was talking about. These ships have gone missing in
26:57
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes, the lake known as Lake Michigan. And
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Speaker 1: then there are, of course, there are lots of other locations.
27:02
Speaker 1: Right there's the Alaska Triangle, which is more of a forest.
27:07
Speaker 1: And in all of these cases, whether it's a forest
27:09
Speaker 1: or it's a lake, or it's the ocean, or it's
27:12
Speaker 1: just on land, there's all kinds of theories. Right, vortex
27:16
Speaker 1: is aliens, the illuminati. There's always some kind of cop out,
27:21
Speaker 1: either by ignoring that it exists because we can't explain it,
27:24
Speaker 1: or by saying that it's the result of aliens or something.
27:29
Speaker 1: But this is a really fascinating subject and I want
27:31
Speaker 1: to really take the time to break this down and
27:33
Speaker 1: have a discussion about it tonight. I hope that you're
27:36
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27:41
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27:44
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27:50
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27:53
Speaker 1: as I travel about on my adventures. So rider Lely,
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Speaker 1: our guess is sceiving a good friend of mine. Co
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Speaker 1: host writer, you were talking about the Philadelphia experiment and
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Speaker 1: the missing planes collectively known as Flight nineteen in the
28:07
Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle dating back to the nineteen forties.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, well, Ryan, I can confirm that it is
28:16
Speaker 2: an ancient piece of Atlantian with the tip of the
28:22
Speaker 2: pyramid that is making these craft disappear. I just remote
28:26
Speaker 2: viewed it during the break and it has been confirmed,
28:30
Speaker 2: and I'm about to make a YouTube video about it
28:34
Speaker 2: with the title scene right after the show. Bermuda Triangle
28:40
Speaker 2: Atlantis confirmed and it's amazing and thousands and thousands of
28:47
Speaker 2: views on it.
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Speaker 1: Put remote viewing in there. Yeah, and you get to
28:50
Speaker 1: get all the little hashtags remote viewing, Atlantis, Crystal Pyramid,
28:53
Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens, and you will make a lot of money
28:56
Speaker 1: off that. Click click click click click.
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Speaker 2: That's right. And then I'm gonna take an excavation team
29:02
Speaker 2: down there, and then we're going to you know, skim
29:04
Speaker 2: off some of the top of the pyramid, and then
29:06
Speaker 2: I'm going to take it to these conferences and I'm
29:08
Speaker 2: going to sell it as a dust from the top
29:11
Speaker 2: of the Atlantean pyramid underneath.
29:14
Speaker 1: The personal tea. That would sell really well in Sedona.
29:20
Speaker 2: At Leanthian Pyramid shavings.
29:26
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like fifty, the Philadelphia experiment is a really
29:29
Speaker 1: good thing to bring up, because I mean, that was
29:31
Speaker 1: supposedly a military project, and some of the first planes
29:35
Speaker 1: and ships to disappear in the Beruda Triangle were military.
29:38
Speaker 1: That could also be because the military does track their stuff,
29:41
Speaker 1: and maybe people went missing before that in the early
29:44
Speaker 1: twentieth century, but nobody even realized it or paid attention.
29:47
Speaker 1: It just didn't make news. You know, someone went on
29:50
Speaker 1: a boat and didn't come back. The military loses something,
29:53
Speaker 1: it becomes a big story, and it was the military.
29:56
Speaker 1: Around the time that flight nineteen of these different bombers,
30:02
Speaker 1: around the time they went missing was when the Philadelphia
30:04
Speaker 1: experiment was ongoing. So maybe the military did have something
30:07
Speaker 1: to do with it, but that doesn't negate the fact
30:08
Speaker 1: that everywhere else you look in the world, from Alaska
30:11
Speaker 1: to Japan, you find these these triangles or triangle like
30:15
Speaker 1: anomalous areas.
30:17
Speaker 2: Well. I'm sure if you just go back through history
30:20
Speaker 2: in the times of war and people having these you know,
30:25
Speaker 2: vessels and ships and stuff like, things are just going
30:29
Speaker 2: to go missing. I mean, Kenneth Arnold in nineteen forty seven,
30:31
Speaker 2: whenever before he's seen those strange craft in the sky.
30:36
Speaker 2: He was looking for missing military aircraft.
30:40
Speaker 1: That's right.
30:41
Speaker 2: That's a great point, and up and around in Washington
30:48
Speaker 2: around Mount Rainier. So you know, I think since the
30:54
Speaker 2: since we've had these vessels in these ships like things
30:58
Speaker 2: have just you know, kind of gone missing, and then
31:02
Speaker 2: you have that whole thing of like ghost ships. I
31:07
Speaker 2: know you've heard of these where they'll just find a
31:10
Speaker 2: giant ship on the ocean that doesn't have any crew
31:16
Speaker 2: in it.
31:19
Speaker 1: Story about that relatively recently, it was I think they
31:24
Speaker 1: were Korean ghost ships. I read about that recently.
31:28
Speaker 2: That one's a really strange one. I don't know what
31:30
Speaker 2: is going on there, Like that one's really weird, like
31:36
Speaker 2: what happened to these people? Where did they go? Did
31:38
Speaker 2: they just abandon the entire ship? If so, where are
31:42
Speaker 2: their bodies? Like did they find them? Where did they go?
31:46
Speaker 1: You know, each is different, but that story of well
31:51
Speaker 1: any story of ghost ship, but just the idea of
31:53
Speaker 1: the ghost ship. I mean you could relate that to
31:55
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia program too, right, because people supposedly were pulled
32:00
Speaker 1: off the boat, or they someone might have jumped off
32:04
Speaker 1: the boat. I mean, people go missing, or people might
32:07
Speaker 1: say there's something to do with time travel here and
32:09
Speaker 1: they sent the boat back in time or tried to
32:11
Speaker 1: teleport it. And there's all kinds of different theories. But
32:14
Speaker 1: it's a true mystery. You know, we probably will never know.
32:18
Speaker 1: That's a good point that the ghost ships.
32:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ghost ships are super interesting and those have
32:24
Speaker 2: been happening, like there's so many cases of ghost ships
32:28
Speaker 2: and phantom ships that's another name for them, and it's
32:35
Speaker 2: been happening for a really long time, like something that's
32:40
Speaker 2: just just happens and it's really it's unexplainable, and it's
32:47
Speaker 2: kind of been cemented into mythology and it's turned into
32:52
Speaker 2: you know them. I think that's where some of the
32:56
Speaker 2: mythology comes from with the flying Dutchman, and you know,
33:01
Speaker 2: ghostly types of apparitions come from, like finding these ships
33:07
Speaker 2: with like no crew aboard them.
33:11
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of fota morgana?
33:14
Speaker 2: No, I haven't been a song as Japanese.
33:16
Speaker 1: And no, I think I don't think it is. I
33:19
Speaker 1: think it's a fata morgana might be Latin, but fata
33:23
Speaker 1: morgana is it yets Latin? It means well, it's come
33:28
Speaker 1: to me. I think it has a different meaning, but
33:30
Speaker 1: it's come to mean kind of like some sort of
33:34
Speaker 1: what do they call it, like a mirage, castle in
33:38
Speaker 1: the sky or boat in the sky. I think it
33:40
Speaker 1: literally translates to superior mirage. So if you look up
33:44
Speaker 1: these images, you should look these up so you can
33:47
Speaker 1: comment on it. I think this is kind of the
33:49
Speaker 1: origin of the flying Dutchman. You have boats that based
33:53
Speaker 1: on the lighting and based on where you where your position,
33:56
Speaker 1: like where you're standing and looking on the horizon, it
33:59
Speaker 1: appears as if the is flying like it's lifted above
34:02
Speaker 1: the water, and these have been seen all around the world,
34:05
Speaker 1: even recently, like I did a show in these probably
34:07
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. They're probably also responsible
34:10
Speaker 1: for seeing cities and clouds. That's one of the definitions
34:15
Speaker 1: of a fata morgana, like castle in the sky or
34:20
Speaker 1: city in the sky. It had had that over China,
34:23
Speaker 1: what seven eight something like that years ago. You haven't
34:27
Speaker 1: seen that. You should look at an Anybody who wants
34:29
Speaker 1: to see that, just type in fata morgana fat a
34:34
Speaker 1: m O r g A n A fata morgana.
34:37
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. I have to check that one out.
34:41
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know, if we have ghost ships
34:44
Speaker 2: and these things disappearing like, we should be able to
34:47
Speaker 2: have ghost planes too, right, that might be what these
34:52
Speaker 2: UFOs are just ghost planes.
34:54
Speaker 1: Look at that. Look at you making all the all
34:57
Speaker 1: these short TikTok clips. We can post ghost planes, ghost
35:03
Speaker 1: flying saucers. Well, if they were ghost planes, you'd assume
35:07
Speaker 1: that they would you know, they would crash. And I
35:09
Speaker 1: mean I guess if they're crashing in the ocean, where
35:12
Speaker 1: where did the people go? Though? That's that's such a bizarre,
35:14
Speaker 1: strange thing.
35:16
Speaker 2: Well, I mean a ghost plane could be It technically
35:19
Speaker 2: could be a drone, all right. We know that the
35:22
Speaker 2: military has had you know, highly advanced drones for a
35:26
Speaker 2: really long time. I mean a non piloted plane.
35:32
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
35:33
Speaker 2: It's technically what a like a ghost plane would mean, right,
35:39
Speaker 2: it would be nobody's on board.
35:41
Speaker 1: Do they ever find the I'm pretty sure they don't,
35:44
Speaker 1: but they ever find that there's no bodies on these
35:46
Speaker 1: ghost chips, right, Like there's there's no bodies, there's just
35:49
Speaker 1: the crew's gone.
35:53
Speaker 2: I think that there. I think some of them might
35:58
Speaker 2: have had some.
35:59
Speaker 1: Kind of of every case is different.
36:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's some that have like there's
36:07
Speaker 2: at least evidence of people have been on board recently
36:15
Speaker 2: as far as bodies, and I'm not sure, but I'm
36:21
Speaker 2: I think that, I mean, there had to have been
36:23
Speaker 2: some that had some kind of at least evidence that
36:28
Speaker 2: somebody was on there recently. But I think the majority
36:32
Speaker 2: of the ghost ships that's been found have like no
36:36
Speaker 2: one has been there. The crew is gone, the captain
36:39
Speaker 2: has gone, there's not any passengers. It's just floating out
36:44
Speaker 2: there in the sea like unattended. Which that makes you think, well,
36:50
Speaker 2: you know, could could another vessel have come up and
36:54
Speaker 2: then they just switched boats. But then at the same time,
36:58
Speaker 2: it's like, well, if that boat is like it hasn't
37:03
Speaker 2: sink and there's like really nothing wrong with.
37:06
Speaker 1: It, then why would they abandon it?
37:08
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why would they just jump ship like that?
37:12
Speaker 1: I think it's also important to point out when we're
37:14
Speaker 1: talking about ghost ships that these aren't These aren't like
37:17
Speaker 1: Titanic size ships. Usually they're not like aircraft carrier ships.
37:22
Speaker 1: They're usually smaller vessels, not like a dinghy necessarily, but
37:27
Speaker 1: I mean that could be a ghost ship. They're usually
37:30
Speaker 1: smaller vessels. It's not like some giant ocean liner like
37:34
Speaker 1: a carnival cruise that's found with that would be really disturbing.
37:39
Speaker 1: It's not like that.
37:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think some of the early ones were
37:48
Speaker 2: just like sailboats.
37:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe one or two three people on board
37:53
Speaker 1: that were missing, Yeah, maybe fell overboard a storm or
37:56
Speaker 1: something like that. But I think there are some larger
37:59
Speaker 1: than sailboat. I guess depend on how big the cell
38:01
Speaker 1: boat is. I just think that's important to point out.
38:04
Speaker 1: And also, you know, we brought up the Alaska Triangle
38:06
Speaker 1: and that's a forest and you look at forests, lakes, oceans,
38:12
Speaker 1: any body of water, even rivers. You know, traditionally, even
38:16
Speaker 1: with the Olympics, we saw a couple of weeks ago
38:17
Speaker 1: the opening ceremony and they had it on the Sayan River,
38:21
Speaker 1: which is personified by the goddess Iquana. So everything in
38:25
Speaker 1: nature was personified. And when you would have let's say,
38:30
Speaker 1: a large body of water and it would be personified
38:33
Speaker 1: by a deity, often you would offer sacrifices on the water,
38:37
Speaker 1: a little raft, little boat, and you'd offer the sacrifices
38:40
Speaker 1: to this deity and it probably would end up, you know,
38:44
Speaker 1: somewhere on a shore somewhere else that you know, and
38:47
Speaker 1: maybe people would take it on the other shore, whatever
38:49
Speaker 1: the offering was, or you know, maybe it sank or something.
38:52
Speaker 1: You say, well, the goddess took the offering. And it's
38:56
Speaker 1: kind of probably a similar something like that or something
38:59
Speaker 1: similar to that as probably where the idea of bodies
39:01
Speaker 1: of water are places by which things move in and
39:06
Speaker 1: out of this reality, and that probably also has something
39:08
Speaker 1: additionally to do with just birth in general. Right, the
39:11
Speaker 1: birth canal where the water breaks and the baby comes
39:14
Speaker 1: down the birth canal. It's a portal, this waterway is
39:17
Speaker 1: a portal to the other world. That's why the you know,
39:19
Speaker 1: there's a boat in the Afterlife in Egypt and the
39:21
Speaker 1: Book of the Dead. You go on the boat, you're
39:24
Speaker 1: in the water, you go through the different levels of
39:27
Speaker 1: the underworld, the afterlife. This is a very common theme
39:29
Speaker 1: all around the world. So it transitions you from the
39:32
Speaker 1: spirit to the physical. It transitions you from the physical
39:35
Speaker 1: to the spirit. You have the Milky Way River. My
39:38
Speaker 1: point is water has always been seen as a gateway
39:41
Speaker 1: or a portal to this world or to another world.
39:45
Speaker 1: And that is further confirmed by modern accounts of ships
39:51
Speaker 1: and planes going missing in bodies of water that perhaps
39:54
Speaker 1: when we're talking about portals, it's not as crazy as
39:58
Speaker 1: it sounds.
40:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just means something different than why people take
40:04
Speaker 2: it to actually mean, you know, water being a portal,
40:08
Speaker 2: water having memory, water, you know, like Brustole said, flow
40:13
Speaker 2: like water.
40:14
Speaker 1: You know what that was? It was it Pirates of
40:17
Speaker 1: the Caribbean where they had to flip the ship upside
40:19
Speaker 1: down in order to get into the other world. I
40:22
Speaker 1: think that was Pirates of the Caribbean.
40:26
Speaker 2: I only saw the first Pirates of the Caribbean. I
40:29
Speaker 2: didn't watch any of the ones after that, and I
40:32
Speaker 2: didn't even really want to watch the first minute. I
40:35
Speaker 2: never liked those movies. I thought they were always garbage.
40:38
Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty sure I don't remember it. It's been
40:40
Speaker 1: so long since I saw it. I'm pretty sure there
40:42
Speaker 1: was a If anybody remembers it, that's just a good
40:44
Speaker 1: example of what I'm thinking about. I think in order
40:46
Speaker 1: to get into the other world, they had to like
40:48
Speaker 1: flip the boat upside down right at sunrise, and then
40:52
Speaker 1: it flipped them right side up, and the upside down
40:54
Speaker 1: stranger things like world. So they use the water as
40:57
Speaker 1: a portal because when you go below the surface, it
40:59
Speaker 1: does because another world. Our oceans are a completely different world,
41:03
Speaker 1: an alien world. That's probably another idea where the portal
41:06
Speaker 1: comes from.
41:08
Speaker 2: Or you got to, you know, find the secret entrance
41:12
Speaker 2: into Mount Shasta in California, and then you can visit
41:18
Speaker 2: the Atlantian beans inside of Mount Shasta where they'll show
41:23
Speaker 2: you a whole new world. You know, we got the
41:26
Speaker 2: enter Earth people, We got the people, the Atlanteans and
41:29
Speaker 2: lame Arias living inside of Mount Shasta. We also have
41:34
Speaker 2: the Atlantean tip As, the pyramid in in the off
41:39
Speaker 2: the coast of Florida. Atlantis is apparently everywhere, dude, they
41:43
Speaker 2: gets They've spread it out all over the world.
41:47
Speaker 1: Planet Atlantis. It's yes, it's everywhere. It's Antarctica, it's or Triangle,
41:50
Speaker 1: it's in Alaska, it's all over the place. You forgot
41:52
Speaker 1: about Jimmy's Malibu base that he made up for his
41:56
Speaker 1: first couple of months on coast to coast. Got about that?
42:00
Speaker 2: Is that ancient Atlantis too?
42:02
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was ancient Atlantis Malibu Alien UFO base
42:06
Speaker 1: right in his backyard.
42:08
Speaker 2: I think we should be looking more ato like the
42:11
Speaker 2: North Pole. Everyone's like all concentrated on like the South Pole,
42:16
Speaker 2: and like Antarctica that fuels all these conspiracies and everything like,
42:22
Speaker 2: which would be a perfect you know, misdirection if you're
42:27
Speaker 2: if things were actually happening up into the North.
42:30
Speaker 1: Pole, I would I would think that it's hard enough
42:33
Speaker 1: on land, even with modern technology, we're still discovering recently,
42:38
Speaker 1: we're still discovering new cities in the Amazon completely buried
42:43
Speaker 1: by jungle. That's on land. I mean, imagine what's buried
42:47
Speaker 1: by like ocean sediment on top of the water, like
42:51
Speaker 1: well underneath, but on top of all the water on
42:53
Speaker 1: top of it, it's like really hard. It's hard enough
42:55
Speaker 1: to do land archaeology, especially in places that are like
42:59
Speaker 1: the Amazon. It's hard enough to do it because you
43:00
Speaker 1: got to get the funding for it, you got to
43:02
Speaker 1: get permission from the governments to do it. It's a
43:04
Speaker 1: long process to get that. But to do underwater archaeology,
43:08
Speaker 1: that's that's I mean, there's hardly any under underwater archaeology
43:11
Speaker 1: going on. So anything that is from that remote of
43:14
Speaker 1: a period, if there's any evidence of it on this planet,
43:17
Speaker 1: and there probably is, it's probably buried in the ocean.
43:20
Speaker 1: I mean, sea levels have risen so much and of
43:22
Speaker 1: course Atlantis quote unquote sank, so it's probably buried underneath
43:26
Speaker 1: the ocean somewhere. It might not even be a land
43:27
Speaker 1: mass that's above water in any way, shape or form. Today.
43:31
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Ryan that there are ancient maps that
43:35
Speaker 2: show that everything is connected due there's like land bridges
43:41
Speaker 2: that you know, connect to all of the different lands
43:45
Speaker 2: and these you know, big areas, and then some sort
43:50
Speaker 2: of giant natural disaster happened that split apart all the
43:55
Speaker 2: lands and that's how we get you know, the United States.
43:59
Speaker 1: And have you been listening to Jason Bershers.
44:04
Speaker 2: I yes, yes, I have, yes, I have.
44:09
Speaker 1: This map here is Atlantis.
44:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are old there are some old maps.
44:20
Speaker 2: But again, how did they do these maps? Like how
44:23
Speaker 2: did they you know, because a lot of maps, to
44:27
Speaker 2: get accurate depictions, you have to have some sort of
44:29
Speaker 2: aerial view born Yeah, you know, like back then they
44:35
Speaker 2: were just guessing. You know, someone went and discovered some
44:39
Speaker 2: land and then they came back and tried to draw
44:42
Speaker 2: it based off of their memory and what they saw
44:45
Speaker 2: on land. You know, like those maps are not verifiable,
44:53
Speaker 2: like they're not accurate. They can't be accurate.
44:56
Speaker 1: I mean there are, of course, the ones that are
44:58
Speaker 1: very well talked about, like the Orneus map, the Phineas map,
45:02
Speaker 1: the Perry Reeves map, and those are much more accurate
45:04
Speaker 1: because they're supposedly based on older source maps. So I'd
45:08
Speaker 1: say a lot of the more modern not modern contemporary,
45:10
Speaker 1: but more modern stuff than the ancient stuff is not accurate.
45:14
Speaker 1: But when you can look at some of these other
45:16
Speaker 1: maps that have been found, they seem to be much
45:18
Speaker 1: more accurate, even though they're older than some of the
45:20
Speaker 1: new things. So I mean, I don't know how it
45:23
Speaker 1: would have been done, but somebody. This is obviously a
45:25
Speaker 1: big debate. Somebody somewhere would have had to have had
45:28
Speaker 1: very accurate knowledge of how I mean, even Antarctica. There's
45:30
Speaker 1: maps of Antarctica without ice, and it's very accurate to
45:34
Speaker 1: modern investigations of the land of Antarctica without the ice.
45:40
Speaker 1: So there's something somewhere in our history that's missing, and
45:42
Speaker 1: it's probably the similar kind of a thing, whether it's
45:44
Speaker 1: Atlantis or these missing missing people planes and boats. Like,
45:51
Speaker 1: we obviously don't know everything, and I think hiding from
45:55
Speaker 1: these anomalies and these mysteries isn't going to isn't going
45:59
Speaker 1: to help us any just hurts us in the end.
46:00
Speaker 1: But it also allows for kind of the stuff that
46:03
Speaker 1: you're joking about with, right, you joke about I mean
46:06
Speaker 1: earlier you were joking about Atlantis and Mount Shasta and
46:09
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, it allows people to make
46:11
Speaker 1: outrageous claims because nobody really knows, and most of the
46:17
Speaker 1: people that could study this don't want to or they
46:20
Speaker 1: think it's a joke, and so that leaves it up
46:22
Speaker 1: to the average person who just wants to learn about
46:25
Speaker 1: something mysterious and interesting, and they're usually going to of
46:28
Speaker 1: course learn nothing but nonsense from people that just use
46:33
Speaker 1: whatever the buzzword of the day is and just tell lies.
46:36
Speaker 1: But that does a disservice.
46:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, since we're you know, and this is relating. If
46:42
Speaker 2: people think that we're kind of getting off topic, I
46:44
Speaker 2: don't think that we are, because you know, we're talking
46:47
Speaker 2: about ships, we're talking about planes and stuff like that.
46:50
Speaker 2: And then you know, you have the what's his name
46:54
Speaker 2: that went to Antarctica? Not word adn'tal Bird. Yes, it's
46:59
Speaker 2: not to call him Robert C. Bird. My I've been.
47:04
Speaker 1: I've done that before, so it's understandable.
47:06
Speaker 2: I've done that actually a couple of times. I've been
47:09
Speaker 2: Robert Sea Bird. But now he's from West Virginia. That's
47:12
Speaker 2: Rover Sea Bird walks and dams. But you know, you
47:17
Speaker 2: got Admiral Bird that you know, which is also involved
47:21
Speaker 2: with another aircraft and like a naval fleet and Operation
47:26
Speaker 2: high Jump, and him supposedly going into the inner Earth
47:30
Speaker 2: and meeting these beans, which I think is a completely
47:32
Speaker 2: fake and fabricated, made up story that was forged in
47:40
Speaker 2: his diaries. And but that brings in the question is
47:45
Speaker 2: and I don't think I've ever gotten your opinion or
47:48
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this before Ryan is like, do you
47:53
Speaker 2: think that there's like extra land out there, like areas
47:58
Speaker 2: of the world that we haven't discovered yet.
48:05
Speaker 1: You mean, something kind of like the Lost World.
48:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe something that is that we just don't know,
48:16
Speaker 2: you know, other just like you know, back in the
48:20
Speaker 2: day before you know, North America was supposedly discovered, you know,
48:26
Speaker 2: people in Europe thought that that's probably all that there was.
48:31
Speaker 2: I think, I don't think that it's out of the
48:33
Speaker 2: realm of possibility that and that was just like what
48:39
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty three hundred years ago, not very
48:43
Speaker 2: long ago at all.
48:45
Speaker 1: So it's like, I mean, but that was also the
48:47
Speaker 1: average person too, because if you go if you went
48:50
Speaker 1: back to what the thirteen hundreds, about one hundred or
48:53
Speaker 1: so years before Columbus, I mean, the Vikings reportedly made
48:58
Speaker 1: it to North America and routinely traveled here, you know,
49:02
Speaker 1: the Knights Templar reportedly traveled here. Columbus was married into
49:06
Speaker 1: a Templar family, like there's probably and reportedly he had
49:10
Speaker 1: access of course to the Templar Mass because of that,
49:12
Speaker 1: and they had a very vast understanding of land masses
49:16
Speaker 1: and where things were located, and there was already a
49:18
Speaker 1: myth about this land to the west of Europe. I
49:22
Speaker 1: think they called it in America or something. It was French.
49:25
Speaker 1: So like there was already knowledge of this, but the
49:28
Speaker 1: average person didn't know that. Like the common knowledge was
49:31
Speaker 1: that there was nothing else perhaps, but I would say
49:34
Speaker 1: people that had much more I don't know what word
49:39
Speaker 1: I would choose. Let's say they were initiated to certain orders.
49:42
Speaker 1: There was certainly a secret knowledge that was kept away
49:45
Speaker 1: from the average person, and I don't think that it's
49:47
Speaker 1: any different today. I don't necessarily think that there's maybe
49:49
Speaker 1: a giant land mass, but even just you know, basic
49:53
Speaker 1: you know, random news stories I've read. I mean, there's
49:55
Speaker 1: little islands that pop up out of nowhere and then
49:58
Speaker 1: vanish out of nowhere to some of them small, some
50:01
Speaker 1: of them a little bit larger. I mean that happens
50:04
Speaker 1: all the time in heavily volcanic areas, right, they pop up,
50:08
Speaker 1: there's an island suddenly, and then they disappear, which also
50:10
Speaker 1: could be the basis. Have you ever heard of High Brazil. No,
50:15
Speaker 1: I want to save that for the next hour, but
50:18
Speaker 1: High Brazil is kind of like a ghost island, and
50:22
Speaker 1: it appeared every so often off the coast of I
50:24
Speaker 1: believe it was Ireland and it was this big mystery
50:28
Speaker 1: and it would appear and then disappear, and that could
50:31
Speaker 1: have been a very real island appearing in disappearing for
50:34
Speaker 1: various different reasons. There's just there's so much to unpack here.
50:37
Speaker 1: We're going to hold that thought. We have Rider Lee
50:39
Speaker 1: with us writer. Tell people very quickly where they can
50:42
Speaker 1: find you.
50:43
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53:17
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53:19
Speaker 1: Before the breakthough, I brought up something called high Brazil.
53:24
Speaker 1: If you want to read about hy Brazil, it is
53:26
Speaker 1: hy dash brsi l. It is a supernatural island, and
53:33
Speaker 1: you can read about this on the Library of Congress website.
53:36
Speaker 1: The name high Brazil originated from Celtic mythology. According to
53:40
Speaker 1: Irish folklore, an island named hy Brazil was visible from
53:43
Speaker 1: the west coast of ireland for only one day every
53:45
Speaker 1: seven years. The rest of the time it was obscured
53:48
Speaker 1: by fog. The island had many variant names. Some examples
53:52
Speaker 1: included High Brazil, Bresal Brazil, Obrasel, the Enchanted Island, and
53:58
Speaker 1: the Isle of the Blessed. Brazil Island was shown on
54:01
Speaker 1: maps of the Atlantic Ocean for centuries. An island named
54:06
Speaker 1: Brasil or Brachil was first shown on a Protolon chart
54:12
Speaker 1: by major Kin photographer Angelino Dulkert in thirteen twenty five.
54:19
Speaker 1: Venetian photographer Andreo Bianco placed an island named Insula de
54:24
Speaker 1: Brazil on a chart in fourteen thirty six. Historians believe
54:28
Speaker 1: that map makers placed the phantom island on their charts
54:31
Speaker 1: after hearing rumors about the existence of High Brazil. Many
54:35
Speaker 1: expeditions were launched to try to find the island. Although
54:38
Speaker 1: it was never found, Brazil Island continued to appear on
54:41
Speaker 1: maps until eighteen seventy three, when it was shown for
54:45
Speaker 1: the last time on a British Admiralty chart. So there's
54:50
Speaker 1: a ghost island for you, or a phantom island, sort
54:54
Speaker 1: of in league with our phantom ships and phantom planes
54:58
Speaker 1: and our triangles from Bermuda to Japan, to Alaska, to
55:03
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes and elsewhere in the world. A lot
55:07
Speaker 1: of places that are maybe Bermuda triangles, if you will,
55:12
Speaker 1: just which is kind of a catch all for these
55:15
Speaker 1: types of mysterious anomalists areas. But any other Bermuda triangle
55:19
Speaker 1: might not really be a Bermuda triangle. It might just
55:21
Speaker 1: be a random stretch of ocean or a random stretch
55:24
Speaker 1: of land, or a random forest, and we don't really
55:27
Speaker 1: classify it as an area with anomalies. It becomes an
55:31
Speaker 1: anomalous area when more than a handful of planes or
55:34
Speaker 1: boats go missing and there's a tension brought to it.
55:38
Speaker 1: I mean, as Rider was saying earlier, it seems like
55:40
Speaker 1: there's more boats that gone missing in the Great Lakes
55:45
Speaker 1: than the Bermuda Triangle. Unless you're kind of a nerd
55:49
Speaker 1: like I am, or a nerd like Rider is, you
55:51
Speaker 1: probably don't know that. But everybody knows Bermuda Triangle. It's
55:55
Speaker 1: another one of those things, kind of like in eufology,
55:57
Speaker 1: where everybody knows UFOs and little green men, but they
56:01
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know anything about the connections that that has.
56:04
Speaker 1: Two things like the fairy lore or basic human psychology
56:09
Speaker 1: and the little kind of fetuslike creature that we see
56:13
Speaker 1: as an unconscious our representation of our unconscious self and
56:16
Speaker 1: unfulfilled desires. There's always another way to look at it,
56:20
Speaker 1: and there's always a popular term and a popular explanation,
56:24
Speaker 1: and then there's a scientific explanation, or they just ignore
56:26
Speaker 1: it completely, and then there's usually an infinite number of
56:30
Speaker 1: other ways to look at the subject. So we are
56:32
Speaker 1: looking at the Bermuda Triangle tonight. And I did a
56:36
Speaker 1: show on I think when was that, like a month
56:38
Speaker 1: and a half ago, called a culta Marina Maria the Giant.
56:42
Speaker 1: Like our oceans are so vast. We don't know anything
56:45
Speaker 1: about our oceans, virtually nothing. We've explored maybe five percent.
56:49
Speaker 1: I even read this. This is like official mainline government information.
56:55
Speaker 1: I forget where I read it. I want to say
56:56
Speaker 1: it was on there's some federal website. But we don't
57:01
Speaker 1: even know more than about fifty percent, not of oceans,
57:05
Speaker 1: but of like lakes. In the United States, we've only
57:08
Speaker 1: explained forty five percent of lakes of lakes, not oceans.
57:13
Speaker 1: Had we haven't even explored half of the lakes in
57:16
Speaker 1: our country. This is just in the us. Now you
57:20
Speaker 1: think about the locks and the Lochness Monster, and it
57:24
Speaker 1: might not be so crazy to think that those locks
57:27
Speaker 1: are connected, and then there might be prehistoric creatures living
57:30
Speaker 1: in them. We still find prehistoric creatures living. We find
57:33
Speaker 1: evidence of giant, enormous creatures in the ocean that wash
57:38
Speaker 1: up on shore. We find evidence of strange creatures we
57:41
Speaker 1: thought were extinct. Turns out they're not extinct. I mean,
57:44
Speaker 1: all these terms are based on how we observe the world.
57:47
Speaker 1: Like if we are our customed to seeing you know,
57:50
Speaker 1: animal a in this area of a forest, and then
57:54
Speaker 1: one year after we randomly started observing it, one year
57:59
Speaker 1: we just don't see it. We say, this is actually
58:02
Speaker 1: how they define extinction. We say, oh, must win extinct.
58:05
Speaker 1: I mean, how arrogant and dumb is that? I mean,
58:08
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. It's actually like, very unscientific. This creature could
58:13
Speaker 1: have lived there for a thousand years. We start observing it,
58:16
Speaker 1: we look at it for twenty and then one year
58:18
Speaker 1: we don't see it. Oh, it must have gone extinct. No,
58:23
Speaker 1: I don't think it went extinct. There are plenty of
58:25
Speaker 1: animals we think are extinct and are not extinct, And
58:27
Speaker 1: there are plenty of animals that go extinct. There's just
58:29
Speaker 1: so much mystery to the world, and a lot of
58:31
Speaker 1: the reason I think that we have a hard time
58:34
Speaker 1: trying to describe and define that mystery is because we
58:38
Speaker 1: want a very cookie cutter, simple explanation. It's either I'm
58:43
Speaker 1: a scientist. That's not true, there's no possible way that's true,
58:47
Speaker 1: and we ignore it, or we just believe that everything
58:52
Speaker 1: is aliens, or we believe everything we see on TikTok.
58:56
Speaker 1: And if anybody tries to write a book, or anybody
58:59
Speaker 1: tries to really investigate it, sure they might get a
59:02
Speaker 1: good following, and people might be interested, and you might
59:04
Speaker 1: have heard an interview or two, or they might make
59:07
Speaker 1: a name for themselves, but usually they're not the ones
59:11
Speaker 1: that influences the culture. It's the nonsense or the denial
59:15
Speaker 1: of any extraordinary possibility. So back to Rider Lee, our guest,
59:20
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, again raised by giants, rid
59:23
Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle, the Alaskan Triangle, all of these other
59:25
Speaker 1: triangles and anomalous areas we also had in the Bermuda Triangle.
59:30
Speaker 1: The first boat that went missing officially was a military vessel,
59:34
Speaker 1: and we had those planes about three decades later, Go
59:37
Speaker 1: Missing Flight nineteen. It was a series of bombers. You know,
59:40
Speaker 1: we talked about the older technology in those days, nothing
59:44
Speaker 1: like we have today, so that could contribute to it
59:47
Speaker 1: as well. Rogue waves, storms, electrical storms. I mean, there
59:52
Speaker 1: are so many different possibilities. And then you look at
59:56
Speaker 1: land and forests where things go people go missing. That
59:59
Speaker 1: might be a different situation. It's not all people that
1:00:02
Speaker 1: just lose their way in the forest. There's probably some
1:00:05
Speaker 1: other explanation. But this stuff is as mystical and supernatural
1:00:10
Speaker 1: today as it was a few hundred a few thousand
1:00:12
Speaker 1: years ago. So it's really the definition of mystery. And
1:00:15
Speaker 1: we still don't know anything about that Malaysian flight, which
1:00:19
Speaker 1: baffles me.
1:00:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're talking about lakes and stuff like that,
1:00:25
Speaker 2: which just triggered my mind. The Oscarville, Georgia. Are you
1:00:31
Speaker 2: familiar with that story where they just pretty much buried
1:00:36
Speaker 2: an entire city underwater, which was a lake lanier in
1:00:44
Speaker 2: oscar Vir. Oscarville, Georgia, has an entire city underneath it.
1:00:50
Speaker 1: It was like some sort of like African American community, right,
1:00:54
Speaker 1: black community.
1:00:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an African American community which had approximately
1:01:00
Speaker 2: eleven hundred people living in it, and supposedly they were
1:01:05
Speaker 2: very peaceful people. They were just kind of doing their
1:01:07
Speaker 2: work and all that. And then a lady got raped
1:01:15
Speaker 2: at the area, and I believe that she was she
1:01:19
Speaker 2: might have been, no, it was they attempted to rape
1:01:24
Speaker 2: her or they raped her. I'm not one hundred percent sure.
1:01:26
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to remember these things. But and
1:01:30
Speaker 2: they blamed it on the African American community that was
1:01:35
Speaker 2: in this other area, like right outside of this town,
1:01:40
Speaker 2: and a huge conflict ensued, and then the the white
1:01:46
Speaker 2: people went to them and was like, hey, you guys
1:01:48
Speaker 2: gotta leave or whatever, and they made them swim across
1:01:54
Speaker 2: this river or whatever, and a lot of them didn't
1:01:58
Speaker 2: make it. But anyway, after it was all over and
1:02:03
Speaker 2: sun done, they ended up building a dam on in
1:02:10
Speaker 2: the area and then they just flooded the entire town
1:02:14
Speaker 2: in water, which is so interesting. There's several lakes that
1:02:18
Speaker 2: are like that in the United States where you know
1:02:21
Speaker 2: several there's places in Alabama, there's places in Arizona, Arkansas,
1:02:29
Speaker 2: a large number in California, as if you in Colorado,
1:02:33
Speaker 2: some in Connecticut, if you in Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky,
1:02:37
Speaker 2: and it goes on and on and on where entire
1:02:39
Speaker 2: cities are just buried under man made lakes.
1:02:43
Speaker 1: And right those are man made lakes. This isn't even
1:02:45
Speaker 1: a natural thing. This is something that man has engaged in.
1:02:48
Speaker 1: This isn't mother nature. There's reportedly, probably for more natural reasons,
1:02:52
Speaker 1: reportedly the same thing in South America. And then I
1:02:54
Speaker 1: don't know if you heard about this, but it's called
1:02:56
Speaker 1: the Lion City or she Chang in China, and it's
1:03:00
Speaker 1: a city that's buried beneath about forty meters of water
1:03:04
Speaker 1: in the I don't know if I'm pronouncing this correctly.
1:03:07
Speaker 1: I don't speak Chinese, but the Kwandao Lake, and that's
1:03:10
Speaker 1: an eastern China. In two thousand and one, this was
1:03:13
Speaker 1: twenty something years ago, they rediscovered what they called a
1:03:18
Speaker 1: metropolis like it's big, and it was perfectly preserved by
1:03:22
Speaker 1: the water, and they opened it back up or opened
1:03:26
Speaker 1: it up to diving in like twenty seventeen. I don't
1:03:29
Speaker 1: know for sure what the reason was that it was flooded.
1:03:33
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was I think I don't
1:03:35
Speaker 1: think it was natural. I think that Chinese government flooded it.
1:03:39
Speaker 1: Something to do with like a power plant or something
1:03:41
Speaker 1: after the revolution because they were trying to get rid
1:03:45
Speaker 1: of Chinese history. There's a beautiful, well preserved city under
1:03:49
Speaker 1: forty meters of water in eastern China, and apparently I
1:03:53
Speaker 1: didn't know that there were that many in the US.
1:03:55
Speaker 1: There's even reportedly structures at the bottom of Lake Titdikaka,
1:03:58
Speaker 1: and at at the bottom of a lot of the
1:03:59
Speaker 1: great lakes up north structures. So and that's just again
1:04:03
Speaker 1: on the surface. You know, that's that's on land, if
1:04:07
Speaker 1: you will, It's not out in the oceans. Just I mean,
1:04:09
Speaker 1: imagine what's out there under the oceans, just the first
1:04:12
Speaker 1: few hundred feet of ocean rise. What that consumed at
1:04:17
Speaker 1: the end of the last Ice Age.
1:04:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do this in modern times. Imagine what's
1:04:23
Speaker 2: been done through history.
1:04:26
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't go Beckley Teppe buried not by water,
1:04:29
Speaker 1: but that was intentionally buried.
1:04:32
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think Easter Island was also intentionally buried
1:04:36
Speaker 2: as well. Those statues with the heads poking up out
1:04:41
Speaker 2: of them are like several feet tall.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: I remember I remember being on radio when that story
1:04:49
Speaker 1: kind of broke in the news. They're like, oh my god,
1:04:51
Speaker 1: they have bodies. They're they're gigantic, not just heads.
1:04:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also during the break, I found I had
1:05:01
Speaker 2: remembered this interesting thing that I had heard not too
1:05:09
Speaker 2: long ago actually, and it's this story of the Eastern
1:05:14
Speaker 2: Airlines flight four oh one, which you know is connected
1:05:18
Speaker 2: to you know the theme of this show, the missing
1:05:21
Speaker 2: aircraft and the missing ships and vessels and all that.
1:05:26
Speaker 2: What was this one Eastern Airlines flight four oh one
1:05:30
Speaker 2: which supposedly some kind of malfunction happened, And this also
1:05:38
Speaker 2: crashed off of the in Florida as well, so it
1:05:42
Speaker 2: is also kind of connected to the Bermuda triangle as well.
1:05:45
Speaker 2: But it killed one hundred and one people. There were
1:05:49
Speaker 2: some survivors of this event, but there the whole crew
1:05:58
Speaker 2: ended up dying in this crash, and it was supposedly
1:06:01
Speaker 2: one of the largest airline crash to like ever happened
1:06:09
Speaker 2: in that time, with the most deaths. And what's interesting
1:06:14
Speaker 2: about it is after it crashed in Florida, they took
1:06:20
Speaker 2: some of the parts from that aircraft and reused them
1:06:25
Speaker 2: for a different craft. They reused them for a Boeing
1:06:30
Speaker 2: craft and then supposedly a lot of the flight crew
1:06:35
Speaker 2: and the captains were seeing this strange man on board
1:06:43
Speaker 2: the craft all the time. They would see this apparition
1:06:49
Speaker 2: of this man, his name was Don and they would
1:06:55
Speaker 2: see him wearing a pilot's uniform. One of the flight
1:06:59
Speaker 2: attendants said that it seemed like a person that was
1:07:05
Speaker 2: unresponsive and that was on the on that wasn't on
1:07:10
Speaker 2: the passenger list, but he was on board the craft.
1:07:14
Speaker 2: And apparently this guy so wild with the sightings and
1:07:19
Speaker 2: passengers seeing this man, this strange apparition, and he was
1:07:25
Speaker 2: even even mourned to the captain of the flight, like
1:07:29
Speaker 2: several times of like strange things that were going on
1:07:33
Speaker 2: with the craft, and that might have caused some weird
1:07:37
Speaker 2: kind of catastrophe. One day in the cockpit where when
1:07:42
Speaker 2: the captain was preparing for the flight, another pilot reportedly
1:07:49
Speaker 2: heard loud knocks from under the floor beneath him, and
1:07:53
Speaker 2: he opened the trap door and he saw Dawn looking
1:07:59
Speaker 2: up at him, which was the captain of the flight
1:08:01
Speaker 2: that went down in Florida, and then he just kind
1:08:04
Speaker 2: of disappeared. And then the flight attendant went to look
1:08:09
Speaker 2: in and reportedly, you found a problem within the craft
1:08:14
Speaker 2: and he fixed it. What could have called a very
1:08:17
Speaker 2: serious accident.
1:08:20
Speaker 1: It almost sounds a little bit like the point pleasant
1:08:23
Speaker 1: Mothman story and the idea that people have that Mothman
1:08:26
Speaker 1: was sort of like an angel of death, like an
1:08:28
Speaker 1: a portent or an omen that there was going to
1:08:30
Speaker 1: be a disaster. You see these apparitions or these kind
1:08:34
Speaker 1: of ghost like figures. I remember now that you said
1:08:37
Speaker 1: I remember that story because I think that some of
1:08:40
Speaker 1: you said that they recycled the parts and they put
1:08:42
Speaker 1: them in other planes, right, Yes, okay, I think that
1:08:45
Speaker 1: I remember that story very very It's kind of like
1:08:49
Speaker 1: scrambled in my brain. I don't remember it too well,
1:08:51
Speaker 1: but I remember reading or hearing about that, and they
1:08:53
Speaker 1: said that there were actually sightings or ghost sidings on
1:08:56
Speaker 1: all the like all the planes that received pieces from
1:08:59
Speaker 1: that plane. Yes, they were like haunted. And this was
1:09:02
Speaker 1: like across you know, these different planes people were seeing.
1:09:07
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they would know that it
1:09:09
Speaker 1: was manufactured with a piece from this plane that crashed, right,
1:09:13
Speaker 1: It's not like people would have known that anyway, But
1:09:16
Speaker 1: people were seeing these across different planes that had the
1:09:19
Speaker 1: parts from that crashed plane. That's a very bizarre story.
1:09:23
Speaker 2: It's super bizarre, and the stories got so wild, and
1:09:28
Speaker 2: so many reports of people seeing this captain of this
1:09:35
Speaker 2: of the crash of the craft that crashed in Florida,
1:09:39
Speaker 2: because they obviously, like some of them, knew him and
1:09:43
Speaker 2: knew what he looked like. He was a you know what,
1:09:47
Speaker 2: kind of a popular captain within them the aircraft. And
1:09:53
Speaker 2: it got so overwhelming that with all these reports of
1:09:57
Speaker 2: people seeing this man, that they dismantled the reuse parts
1:10:05
Speaker 2: of those aircraft and supposedly nobody the activity stopped.
1:10:12
Speaker 1: That is a true haunting. You don't think about planes
1:10:14
Speaker 1: being haunted, houses being haunted, old buildings being haunted, but
1:10:19
Speaker 1: not planes. Maybe maybe boats, but usually not planes. Well,
1:10:23
Speaker 1: I appreciate you telling me that story right before I'm
1:10:25
Speaker 1: about to take to take off. That's it's great. I'll
1:10:29
Speaker 1: be thinking of that in the air. I'll fly over
1:10:31
Speaker 1: the ocean.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, sir, maybe you'll see Don.
1:10:35
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll see Don on the plane.
1:10:38
Speaker 2: Don Man coming back to haunt you from the grave.
1:10:41
Speaker 1: But it seems like that he was like a good.
1:10:44
Speaker 2: Thing though that was happening, but it was kind of
1:10:47
Speaker 2: throwing them off because it was kind of, you know,
1:10:50
Speaker 2: scary at the same time. But I don't think anybody
1:10:53
Speaker 2: reported that that he was, you know, aggressive toward them
1:10:57
Speaker 2: or whatever. He was kind of there to like warn
1:11:01
Speaker 2: them things about the aircraft. Are things that were that
1:11:05
Speaker 2: was kind of going wrong, So that maybe what had
1:11:09
Speaker 2: happened to his craft that crashed in Florida wouldn't happen
1:11:16
Speaker 2: to any other craft.
1:11:19
Speaker 1: That's kind of like I mean again, I think of Mothman.
1:11:22
Speaker 1: It's kind of like with Mothman. Some people think that
1:11:25
Speaker 1: Mothman wasn't malevolent. Mothman was benevolent, not kind of like
1:11:29
Speaker 1: a dark angel, but kind of like a light angel,
1:11:32
Speaker 1: alerting or warning people to you know. The Silver Bridge
1:11:35
Speaker 1: collapse just helped. Matter of how you, I guess how
1:11:39
Speaker 1: you perceive it.
1:11:40
Speaker 2: I have a different idea of what happened during that,
1:11:42
Speaker 2: and I've talked about it on your.
1:11:43
Speaker 1: Show before, we both especially being from.
1:11:47
Speaker 2: There, and I think we talked about it in our
1:11:53
Speaker 2: Cryptid Roads. Take Me Home, Shore, just.
1:11:56
Speaker 1: Take Me Home. What a great name. I forget about that.
1:11:59
Speaker 2: And I think that that it wasn't a warning, It
1:12:02
Speaker 2: wasn't a benevolent thing. I think that what happened was
1:12:05
Speaker 2: is this thing too many people were seeing it. There's
1:12:10
Speaker 2: too many police reports. I mean The Mothman is one
1:12:11
Speaker 2: of the most documented cryptids in the history of cryptids
1:12:16
Speaker 2: happening in a singular area. I mean, there are legitimately
1:12:21
Speaker 2: police reports of it. You can see at the Mothman Museum.
1:12:24
Speaker 1: There's so much less in West Virginia, Yeah, than any
1:12:27
Speaker 1: other crypti. The Bigfoot has nothing on.
1:12:29
Speaker 2: Mothman, absolutely not. There was several people like in the
1:12:37
Speaker 2: you know, in the dozens of people that have seen
1:12:41
Speaker 2: this creature in Point Pleasant, West Virginian and I think
1:12:43
Speaker 2: that it was getting too popular, and uh, it was
1:12:48
Speaker 2: really getting the community of Point Pleasant in kind of
1:12:52
Speaker 2: like an uproar. You know, it was causing a lot
1:12:54
Speaker 2: of disturbances within the small population there. Like there were
1:12:58
Speaker 2: literally people that were going out into the T and
1:13:01
Speaker 2: T area with freaking pitchforks and torches and stuff like
1:13:06
Speaker 2: looking for this creature. It was becoming a news media sensation.
1:13:13
Speaker 2: And then after that is when they get you know,
1:13:18
Speaker 2: a lot of the people that had first saw the
1:13:20
Speaker 2: moth Man got visited by the Men in Black, and
1:13:25
Speaker 2: the men in Black basically came to them and was like, hey,
1:13:28
Speaker 2: like you got to shut up about this, or you know,
1:13:32
Speaker 2: something bad is going to happen, you know, stop talking
1:13:36
Speaker 2: about this or you know, basically like a threat pretty much.
1:13:41
Speaker 2: But they didn't know what the threat was. And I
1:13:46
Speaker 2: don't think that many of them listen to those people,
1:13:50
Speaker 2: because you know, the people in you know, Point Pleasant
1:13:52
Speaker 2: are a different kind of breed of people, not so
1:13:55
Speaker 2: much now, but definitely you know, back then, and I
1:14:03
Speaker 2: don't think they listened. And therefore they they collapsed the
1:14:08
Speaker 2: bridge on purpose. They took down the bridge on purpose,
1:14:12
Speaker 2: so to use that as a distraction to take the
1:14:17
Speaker 2: military or take whoever out into the TNT area to
1:14:22
Speaker 2: take care of the Mothman, because there's nothing like tragedy
1:14:29
Speaker 2: to create a giant distraction. You know, if they would
1:14:32
Speaker 2: have just rolled up in Point Pleasant in military vehicles
1:14:40
Speaker 2: and craft and all that and go out to the
1:14:43
Speaker 2: T and T area, people would be like, oh, well
1:14:45
Speaker 2: this must be that's just like confirming it for people.
1:14:49
Speaker 1: There was a military presence about two hours east though,
1:14:51
Speaker 1: for the Braxton Monster, and that hardly anybody saw that.
1:14:55
Speaker 1: It had no reports like Mothman, only a handful of
1:14:58
Speaker 1: people that saw it. There's a lot of myth around
1:15:01
Speaker 1: that too, but the military reportedly showed up for that
1:15:04
Speaker 1: that's a whole different case. But it's just fascinating because
1:15:07
Speaker 1: it's so close to point pleasant and it's probably one
1:15:10
Speaker 1: of the most iconic if you've ever seen a picture
1:15:14
Speaker 1: of it from the newspaper, it's like one of the
1:15:15
Speaker 1: most iconic cryptids. It's like machine mechanical. Some people say
1:15:20
Speaker 1: had like reptilian features or something. But yeah, so whether
1:15:24
Speaker 1: it's a you know, im portent like in the case
1:15:27
Speaker 1: of this dawn guy on the plane, like we're dealing
1:15:32
Speaker 1: with something that is a theory here, or something that's
1:15:34
Speaker 1: ghost like, something that's beyond the physical realm, beyond the
1:15:40
Speaker 1: physical plane. And speaking of physical plane, they still can't
1:15:44
Speaker 1: find this MH three seventy. But I wanted to talk
1:15:48
Speaker 1: with you about this, writer, and we'll skip this final break.
1:15:51
Speaker 1: We'll just have a solid hour here. So we have
1:15:52
Speaker 1: about thirty five minutes left. I was looking about a
1:15:57
Speaker 1: month or two ago. Eight two months ago, I was
1:16:00
Speaker 1: looking online for a show, looking for some stuff, and
1:16:02
Speaker 1: for some reason I got this series of articles and
1:16:06
Speaker 1: stuff for this image three seventy that Malaysian flight. I
1:16:10
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen this, but there's new rumble
1:16:14
Speaker 1: videos and YouTube videos and TikTok videos of people having
1:16:18
Speaker 1: found this plane, and then I was like, well, that's interesting.
1:16:22
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a real news story. At
1:16:24
Speaker 1: first I thought it was, oh, they actually found the
1:16:26
Speaker 1: plane interesting, And then the more I looked at it,
1:16:29
Speaker 1: I thought, no, nobody found the plane. Someone's using AI
1:16:34
Speaker 1: image generators to generate One of them actually had like
1:16:37
Speaker 1: a watermark on it to generate these fake images of
1:16:42
Speaker 1: the plane. So, I don't know, do you know much
1:16:44
Speaker 1: about the Malaysian plane that went missing and the different
1:16:47
Speaker 1: theories about why it went missing. I've got a list
1:16:49
Speaker 1: of five or so here from a magazine I could
1:16:52
Speaker 1: read off to you, But do you know anything about
1:16:54
Speaker 1: that or much about that?
1:16:55
Speaker 2: Well, supposedly there was this guy that was that found
1:17:00
Speaker 2: several pieces of the plane that has washed up in
1:17:07
Speaker 2: the ocean. I mean this was going on like almost
1:17:11
Speaker 2: immediately after it had crashed. It's all in the Netflix
1:17:17
Speaker 2: documentary on the topic where there's this. But the thing
1:17:22
Speaker 2: about it is is he just like kept going out
1:17:24
Speaker 2: there and finding pieces of this plane.
1:17:28
Speaker 1: Like everyone goes out to Roswell, they find a new
1:17:32
Speaker 1: piece of the UFO.
1:17:33
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, it's almost like that, Like I could
1:17:37
Speaker 2: maybe believe finding a few pieces every once in a while,
1:17:41
Speaker 2: but it seemed like every time that this guy went
1:17:44
Speaker 2: out looking for this thing, he was finding something which
1:17:48
Speaker 2: is really unrealistic. So it might have been what you
1:17:52
Speaker 2: were seeing was and I don't doubt that some of
1:17:56
Speaker 2: them are AI generated photos, but some of the photos
1:18:01
Speaker 2: that you could have seen could have been from that
1:18:05
Speaker 2: guy finding supposedly finding the wreckage of the craft.
1:18:12
Speaker 1: What I saw wasn't that. It was like very much
1:18:14
Speaker 1: clickbait garbage. But I hear what you're saying.
1:18:17
Speaker 2: But the Netflix documentary was really interesting on it, and
1:18:23
Speaker 2: because they they went deep into a bunch of different
1:18:28
Speaker 2: conspiracies on it, which what the one guy was saying
1:18:33
Speaker 2: made a lot of sense, and I was like, oh, okay,
1:18:38
Speaker 2: maybe they're this makes kind of a lot of sense here, like,
1:18:43
Speaker 2: but it's how you get roped in the conspiracy theories.
1:18:46
Speaker 2: As it was happening, I was realizing that they're trying
1:18:51
Speaker 2: to rope me into this whole thing. And then at
1:18:53
Speaker 2: the end of it, they basically are like, oh yeah,
1:18:58
Speaker 2: everything that we said before in the past three hours
1:19:01
Speaker 2: of this documentary is nonsense. Wa could do stock got me?
1:19:08
Speaker 2: But it is very interesting in the Ashton Forbes video
1:19:15
Speaker 2: of this craft, I personally believed is nonsense. I think
1:19:20
Speaker 2: that it's I mean, there's so much proof that that
1:19:23
Speaker 2: whole thing is one from a video game, two from
1:19:27
Speaker 2: stock images and there. I think that it's a it's
1:19:34
Speaker 2: a fabrication. And I'm pretty sure it got put on
1:19:38
Speaker 2: one of these chat room sites. Is where it was
1:19:45
Speaker 2: kind of first discovered, was on something like four Chan
1:19:49
Speaker 2: or these chat room sites. Where is where he got
1:19:54
Speaker 2: the originally got the footage of these weird orbs flying
1:19:59
Speaker 2: around the plane.
1:20:00
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that video game stuff goin around
1:20:02
Speaker 1: is and it's like a contagion, right Linda Moulton Howe
1:20:05
Speaker 1: using Area fifty one, that old PlayStation game or her
1:20:08
Speaker 1: Gray Alien, and then CNN using Fallout for their putin
1:20:12
Speaker 1: hacked the election through a Fallout terminal. There is a
1:20:16
Speaker 1: lot of that take video game thing, take video games
1:20:19
Speaker 1: and turn it into something real.
1:20:21
Speaker 2: And I think the some news organizations even used some
1:20:26
Speaker 2: footage from one of the Assassin Creeds games as as
1:20:31
Speaker 2: establishing shots for their news broadcast.
1:20:35
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I've never heard that, but that would not
1:20:37
Speaker 1: surprise me. I do know that there were some images
1:20:40
Speaker 1: and videos that were shared. I believe it was when
1:20:45
Speaker 1: we first heard about the current ongoing conflict between Israel
1:20:50
Speaker 1: and Palestine, and someone had said, I think it was
1:20:54
Speaker 1: that they all when they when there were those those
1:20:57
Speaker 1: drones fired into Israel, or the drones and then the rockets. Yes,
1:21:02
Speaker 1: it was supposedly, Yeah, there was a giant rocket attack
1:21:06
Speaker 1: and people were showing the videos on Twitter. Oh my god,
1:21:09
Speaker 1: look at these rockets there. It's basically the Holocaust. Even
1:21:13
Speaker 1: though most of them sputtered out, didn't make it to
1:21:16
Speaker 1: their target, and a lot of most of them were
1:21:18
Speaker 1: shot down, It's like, oh, it's the Holocaust. And then
1:21:21
Speaker 1: it turns out, no, it wasn't the Holocaust. Actually that
1:21:24
Speaker 1: wasn't Iran, and that wasn't even Israel. That was from
1:21:27
Speaker 1: a video game.
1:21:29
Speaker 2: All the one where all the destruction and all that
1:21:33
Speaker 2: would looked like a freaking explosion happened. Is that the
1:21:37
Speaker 2: video that you're talking about.
1:21:38
Speaker 1: There's several of them. I'm not sure if which one
1:21:40
Speaker 1: we're both referring to, but the one I'm referring to
1:21:42
Speaker 1: is from like a Call of Duty game.
1:21:45
Speaker 2: Well, I remember Alex Jones posting a video of whenever
1:21:52
Speaker 2: Iran supposedly launched the rockets into into Israel and it
1:22:00
Speaker 2: looked like freaking doomsday, but obviously it was fake, you know,
1:22:06
Speaker 2: it wasn't. It didn't even cause that much destruction. I
1:22:08
Speaker 2: think they only one or two missiles actually hit the ground.
1:22:13
Speaker 1: Yep. Most of them were shot down or they just
1:22:15
Speaker 1: they malfunctioned in the air, which.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: Makes zero sense to do. I mean, why would you
1:22:22
Speaker 2: do a missile strike if you knew that that they
1:22:28
Speaker 2: were all going to be shot down and that it
1:22:30
Speaker 2: wasn't going to do anything other than that it being theater.
1:22:34
Speaker 1: Well, that's what it is. And they don't even need
1:22:36
Speaker 1: the fire missiles for it to be theater because they
1:22:38
Speaker 1: can just take something from Call of Duty, right, the
1:22:41
Speaker 1: CNN can take something from Fallout. Apparently the news could
1:22:44
Speaker 1: take something from Assassin's Creed, And I mean that really
1:22:48
Speaker 1: is This is a whole another subject, but I should
1:22:49
Speaker 1: I should just note this. One of the biggest lies
1:22:52
Speaker 1: we've been told about those conflicts is that the Muslim
1:22:56
Speaker 1: world is going to wipe Israel off the map by
1:22:59
Speaker 1: detonating it atomic weapon, That they're going to shoot a
1:23:03
Speaker 1: nuclear missile at Israel. That is the most ridiculous thing
1:23:08
Speaker 1: that anybody could ever lie about. Because the Muslims see
1:23:12
Speaker 1: the Holy Land as holy. They're not going to drop
1:23:16
Speaker 1: an atomic bomb on the Holy Land or smuggle a
1:23:19
Speaker 1: suitcase nuke into the country. That is total nonsense. And
1:23:22
Speaker 1: I think that we finally maybe sol evidence of that
1:23:24
Speaker 1: when the Muslims came to the defense of the Christians
1:23:27
Speaker 1: at the opening ceremony of the Olympics. Meanwhile, the two
1:23:29
Speaker 1: people that openly mocked Jesus were both Jewish. A whole
1:23:33
Speaker 1: nother subject done shows on that in the last couple
1:23:35
Speaker 1: of weeks.
1:23:36
Speaker 2: But well, what's so interesting about that whole thing was
1:23:40
Speaker 2: whenever i Ran launched those missiles at Israel, there were
1:23:45
Speaker 2: literally news reporters on the ground in Israel reporting on it. Like,
1:23:54
Speaker 2: if you're really in danger and you think that you're
1:23:59
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, blown up by a missile
1:24:02
Speaker 2: strike from Iran, would you really be out on the
1:24:08
Speaker 2: ground where and doing a news report while these missiles
1:24:12
Speaker 2: are like coming in? Same I wouldn't. I would be leaving,
1:24:17
Speaker 2: I would be gone. I'd be like, I don't care
1:24:19
Speaker 2: about any of this same thing. You don't care about
1:24:22
Speaker 2: my job, I don't care about this freaking news broadcast
1:24:24
Speaker 2: at all, like I'm worried for my life. I'm getting
1:24:28
Speaker 2: out of here.
1:24:29
Speaker 1: Well, there's two other great examples of that, right in Kiev,
1:24:32
Speaker 1: where they're like the whole city's in rubble, and then
1:24:34
Speaker 1: you see videos of it people live stream from Kiev
1:24:37
Speaker 1: and nothing's happening. People are nightclubs, everybody's partying, right or that.
1:24:43
Speaker 2: Happened in Ukraine as well. That was the same thing
1:24:46
Speaker 2: that we were getting from Ukraine when Russia was invading Ukraine,
1:24:49
Speaker 2: like all the videos online of like Ukraine, like nothing
1:24:53
Speaker 2: was going.
1:24:53
Speaker 1: On, and it was the same exact thing we saw
1:24:56
Speaker 1: with a little different but same thing we saw with
1:24:59
Speaker 1: seeing Inn back the nineties. They're like, we're being attacked
1:25:02
Speaker 1: by rockets. They're coming in right now. In the green
1:25:04
Speaker 1: screen falls. They were recording that in Atlanta at their headquarters.
1:25:08
Speaker 1: They weren't in the Middle East. It was it was
1:25:10
Speaker 1: all fabricated.
1:25:13
Speaker 2: That reminds me of do you remember that that false
1:25:20
Speaker 2: rocket missile alert that went out to.
1:25:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that, yep, And that actually was like
1:25:29
Speaker 1: the opening scene of American Horror Story, that new season
1:25:32
Speaker 1: that came out around that same time. But yes, I
1:25:34
Speaker 1: remember that Yeah.
1:25:35
Speaker 2: American Horror Story Apocalypse. Yeah, that was. Uh, that just
1:25:40
Speaker 2: jumped into my mind when we were talking about this,
1:25:44
Speaker 2: and then Hawaii gets.
1:25:47
Speaker 1: You know, dude, they get dude.
1:25:52
Speaker 2: Yep, dude, people got so upset at that show. Dude. Like,
1:25:58
Speaker 2: I literally got so many comments on Apple podcast, like
1:26:05
Speaker 2: three or four different comments from people like all one
1:26:09
Speaker 2: star reviews just based off of that show that we
1:26:13
Speaker 2: did on Hawaii and the dews.
1:26:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's how it works. I sit here and I
1:26:18
Speaker 1: read raytheon Lockheed Martin and Boeing's websites where they talk
1:26:22
Speaker 1: about what a DW is. So I read their websites
1:26:26
Speaker 1: and then I post that with the show promo, and
1:26:29
Speaker 1: then I get printouts of it, and then I explain
1:26:32
Speaker 1: to people, actually, there's dw's. They disable electronics, they shut
1:26:36
Speaker 1: down missiles, they use them at military bases, at airports.
1:26:41
Speaker 1: And then I say, but I don't think that these
1:26:43
Speaker 1: were used to start the fire. So you're saying they
1:26:46
Speaker 1: don't exist, Well, asshole, I just read from all three
1:26:49
Speaker 1: major defense contractor websites that they do exist. So you're
1:26:52
Speaker 1: saying they don't exist because I didn't use them in Hawaii.
1:26:55
Speaker 1: It's like you cannot have a conversation. There's so many
1:26:58
Speaker 1: Zealots online to believe dues. They're gonna believe dues writer.
1:27:03
Speaker 1: They want to think that this Malaysian flight was found
1:27:05
Speaker 1: because of some Cgai videos and pictures. They're going to
1:27:08
Speaker 1: believe that it was found because that that's what gets
1:27:11
Speaker 1: hits and clicks. I mean, I could do a video
1:27:13
Speaker 1: where I have all the fancy graphics and say Hawaii
1:27:16
Speaker 1: is going to go under the water in the next
1:27:18
Speaker 1: two years, and people would click on it. They would
1:27:21
Speaker 1: love it. Hawaii is going to sink into the ocean.
1:27:24
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I had no idea. People don't want facts,
1:27:27
Speaker 1: they want nonsense. I want garbage.
1:27:31
Speaker 2: I couldn't have explained it any better myself. That was
1:27:35
Speaker 2: a perfect explanation of the community in a nutshell. I mean,
1:27:40
Speaker 2: they want the clickbait nonsense that supports their fantasies and
1:27:49
Speaker 2: delusions of what's going on.
1:27:52
Speaker 1: And what you said earlier, I forget exactly what you
1:27:56
Speaker 1: were saying, but you said something earlier that made me
1:27:59
Speaker 1: think of Jason Bershears and maybe think of this whole
1:28:04
Speaker 1: history as fake thing, and it's you know, it's like
1:28:07
Speaker 1: there are things about history that we don't know unless
1:28:09
Speaker 1: we read very specific resources on or we read very
1:28:14
Speaker 1: specific authors on that period of history or that area
1:28:18
Speaker 1: of the world or whatever it might be. And every
1:28:20
Speaker 1: time I pick up a new book about something like that,
1:28:21
Speaker 1: I learned something new. But you get people like Bursher's
1:28:24
Speaker 1: and others kind of what you're referring to now, and
1:28:28
Speaker 1: they pray and play on what you were also referring to.
1:28:32
Speaker 1: When you watch this Netflix documentary about this Malaysian flight
1:28:36
Speaker 1: where they're asking questions that seem reasonable or logical and
1:28:40
Speaker 1: making points that seem like they very well could be true,
1:28:44
Speaker 1: but you don't have any of the context for it.
1:28:47
Speaker 1: So yes, it's easy for Jason Bersheer's to say that
1:28:50
Speaker 1: there's ancient maps and that there are ancient cities that
1:28:54
Speaker 1: are buried, Like, yeah, there are, as you pointed out,
1:28:57
Speaker 1: there's cities buried underwater in the United States that he's
1:29:00
Speaker 1: been into water in South America and China. Some are natural,
1:29:03
Speaker 1: some are unnatural. Yeah, there are ancient maps that show
1:29:07
Speaker 1: strange things. But then they position themselves like Brashers does,
1:29:10
Speaker 1: to be a guru and they have all the answers
1:29:14
Speaker 1: and they develop this cult following because of the algorithm.
1:29:18
Speaker 1: And I can't help but think writer that this is
1:29:21
Speaker 1: nothing more than some kind of counterculture, counterintelligence sciop to
1:29:26
Speaker 1: prevent people from truly investigating history. I think people get
1:29:29
Speaker 1: too close to what's like with Mothman, too close to
1:29:32
Speaker 1: what it actually is, and then the military comes in
1:29:35
Speaker 1: and does what they need to do to get people
1:29:37
Speaker 1: to not look at the facts. And I think it's
1:29:39
Speaker 1: the same thing with history. People get too close to
1:29:41
Speaker 1: the facts of history and someone comes in to distort
1:29:44
Speaker 1: their vision.
1:29:46
Speaker 2: I mean, it's exactly that same thing with the uphology
1:29:50
Speaker 2: and UFO community. You know, when people start asking really
1:29:54
Speaker 2: deep questions about the military or you know, what kind
1:29:59
Speaker 2: of co does the military have, what kind of advanced
1:30:04
Speaker 2: you know, aerospace technology do we have, and what have
1:30:09
Speaker 2: we been working on and how long have we had it?
1:30:12
Speaker 2: They always throw a wrench in that and bring it
1:30:16
Speaker 2: back to aliens. Yes, yes, none of these people want
1:30:20
Speaker 2: to comment on the advanced technology that the military or
1:30:26
Speaker 2: these organizations have. They want to keep roping you back
1:30:30
Speaker 2: into aliens. It's a misdirection, it's a deception in that way,
1:30:38
Speaker 2: and no one will. I really think that the entire
1:30:43
Speaker 2: community is really like this when it comes to every topic.
1:30:47
Speaker 2: It's not just uphology, it's not just you know, each
1:30:52
Speaker 2: in history. It's just like with everything, you know. We
1:30:55
Speaker 2: really come to this realization here recently, dude, that it's
1:30:59
Speaker 2: just the alternative media, regardless of what topic you're on,
1:31:06
Speaker 2: is the media for disillusioned group of people that no
1:31:17
Speaker 2: longer trust in the mainstream media.
1:31:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like people that can't afford doctor Pepper so
1:31:23
Speaker 1: they buy doctor Thunder at Walmart.
1:31:25
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's exactly what it is. And that's not to
1:31:28
Speaker 2: be disparaging or tell people, you know that don't look
1:31:32
Speaker 2: into any of this stuff, or don't go there, or
1:31:35
Speaker 2: don't do your own research. It's actually me saying look
1:31:39
Speaker 2: into it more, look into it deeper, Actually go beyond
1:31:45
Speaker 2: the surface level and go headfirst into the stuff and
1:31:48
Speaker 2: research everything that has to do with the topic that
1:31:53
Speaker 2: you're interested in, and even the things that you disagree
1:31:57
Speaker 2: with or the things that you might not even believe
1:32:01
Speaker 2: is going on. Because there is a little bit of
1:32:05
Speaker 2: truth in a lot of this stuff. It's just that
1:32:08
Speaker 2: it's buried beneath a bunch of garbage and a bunch
1:32:11
Speaker 2: of nonsense, and it's very difficult to decipher all that stuff,
1:32:17
Speaker 2: you know. And that's just what I've really discovered, is
1:32:22
Speaker 2: that that this community in every single topic possible. And
1:32:27
Speaker 2: there's also been a switch that's happened within the community too,
1:32:31
Speaker 2: where it's kind of gone really political, like it's not
1:32:37
Speaker 2: really about conspiracies anymore, it's not about really finding the truth.
1:32:44
Speaker 2: It just made this switch to this political politicized.
1:32:50
Speaker 1: And Trump has angels protecting him and Jesus is in
1:32:53
Speaker 1: the Oval office with him. It's like very supernatural political stuff.
1:32:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that's not encouraging people from talking about
1:33:01
Speaker 2: this stuff. Of course, you know, to talk about it
1:33:04
Speaker 2: if that if that's what you want to talk about,
1:33:07
Speaker 2: and if you have good information on it, then do it.
1:33:11
Speaker 2: But that's not what the community was based off of
1:33:17
Speaker 2: in the beginning. If anything, the community separated itself from
1:33:24
Speaker 2: anything political because they knew that the political landscape was
1:33:30
Speaker 2: a bunch of nonsense garbage. And it's the same side
1:33:35
Speaker 2: of the same coin, right. The people that are in
1:33:41
Speaker 2: control are controlling both sides, and it's just gotten so
1:33:48
Speaker 2: far out of hand. And we're seeing this mixture within
1:33:52
Speaker 2: the mainstream community and the conspiracy and the alternative community
1:34:00
Speaker 2: and I really don't think that it's a good thing.
1:34:04
Speaker 2: I think that it's a bad thing because it's getting
1:34:08
Speaker 2: people so disillusioned with others within their circle, and it
1:34:17
Speaker 2: seems like a just a giant plot to make people
1:34:22
Speaker 2: not trust one another. You know, don't trust your friends,
1:34:26
Speaker 2: don't trust your neighbors, don't trust your family, and of
1:34:30
Speaker 2: course don't trust strangers, and more importantly, don't trust the government.
1:34:36
Speaker 2: So therefore everything becomes fake. You know, nothing real happens anymore.
1:34:43
Speaker 2: There's always this mysterious hand behind the scenes that has
1:34:47
Speaker 2: been orchestrating all of these events, and then none of
1:34:51
Speaker 2: it's real, none of it naturally happens, which is a
1:34:54
Speaker 2: very very dangerous path to be on. It. I mean,
1:34:57
Speaker 2: we've just seen that happen.
1:35:00
Speaker 1: That's what you lose touch with reality. It's like with
1:35:03
Speaker 1: those fires, right, there's fires all the time. There are
1:35:06
Speaker 1: thousands of fires all the time globally. You can look
1:35:09
Speaker 1: at federal data, fires burn less than they ever have.
1:35:12
Speaker 1: Fire management's better, you know, alerts and awareness of where
1:35:17
Speaker 1: the fires are burning when they start, that's better, Like
1:35:19
Speaker 1: we react to them differently, and so a lot less acreage,
1:35:23
Speaker 1: about twenty million less acreage or more thirty forty million
1:35:26
Speaker 1: even upwards, depending on the year, burns today less than
1:35:30
Speaker 1: what burn in the thirties. And that's just objective, you know,
1:35:33
Speaker 1: federal factual forest data. But today it's either climate change
1:35:39
Speaker 1: that starts all the fires or it's directed energy weapons.
1:35:43
Speaker 1: I mean, remember I told you that we were talking
1:35:45
Speaker 1: about the dwu's and Hawaii and someone said to me,
1:35:48
Speaker 1: I thought, I did a really great show talking about
1:35:51
Speaker 1: the average of forest fires and how many acres are
1:35:53
Speaker 1: burned and how many are burning any given time, and
1:35:55
Speaker 1: we only pay attention to it when there's a neighborhood
1:35:58
Speaker 1: in the path of the fire. If it burns out
1:35:59
Speaker 1: the mid know, where nobody cares. It's all about perspective
1:36:02
Speaker 1: and context. And someone said to me, Brian, and there's
1:36:06
Speaker 1: all those fires because they're testing the dws to start
1:36:09
Speaker 1: the fires remotely, and then they're using those tests to
1:36:13
Speaker 1: do the real burning down in Hawaii. And it's just like,
1:36:16
Speaker 1: you know, what reminds me of It's like that episode
1:36:17
Speaker 1: of King of the Hill, the first like one of
1:36:19
Speaker 1: the first episodes where the Nate You ever watched King
1:36:20
Speaker 1: of the Hill?
1:36:22
Speaker 2: A few episodes, not too much into it, Like I
1:36:24
Speaker 2: was in the Family Guy.
1:36:26
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a really I think you'd really like it.
1:36:28
Speaker 1: It's it's nothing like Family Guy. But it's a good show.
1:36:31
Speaker 1: And the neighbors they're from Laos. They move in and
1:36:33
Speaker 1: it's in Texas, and the neighbors say, we from Laos.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: It's a country in Southeast Asia. And Hank says, okay,
1:36:41
Speaker 1: so are you Chinese or Japanese? He said, no, we
1:36:43
Speaker 1: from Laos. It's like, okay, so are you Chinese or Japanese?
1:36:48
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't, doesn't. It's just like with dw's, right,
1:36:51
Speaker 1: nothing happens naturally. Yes, dw's exist, but I don't think
1:36:55
Speaker 1: they were used in Hawaii. Okay, so you don't think
1:36:58
Speaker 1: the dw's are real. It's just so it's the same
1:37:00
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. It's so irritating and so frustrating
1:37:03
Speaker 1: because you like, I feel like sometimes I do a
1:37:06
Speaker 1: really great show. I know Clyde feels like this. I
1:37:08
Speaker 1: know you a lot of a lot of people feel
1:37:09
Speaker 1: like this. You do something that's unique, that's novel, that's different,
1:37:14
Speaker 1: and it's the worst show downloads of the worst numbers
1:37:18
Speaker 1: that you've ever had. But if I talk about mall
1:37:20
Speaker 1: aliens through the roof because the algorithm promotes that that's
1:37:24
Speaker 1: what people are looking for. It's just like it's entertainment,
1:37:27
Speaker 1: but we've been conditioned to think that entertainment is actually
1:37:30
Speaker 1: some alternative factual reality that we're if we believe in it,
1:37:34
Speaker 1: we're resisting the liars in the mainstream media, when the
1:37:38
Speaker 1: alternative media is just another version of the mainstream media.
1:37:41
Speaker 1: And a lot of this stuff has become a cult,
1:37:44
Speaker 1: like not ocult, but a cult. I mean, the Trump
1:37:47
Speaker 1: movement has become a cult. There's no doubt about that. Yeah,
1:37:50
Speaker 1: Democrats voice been a cult. The Trump movement has become
1:37:53
Speaker 1: a cult. I mean, like the real hardcore people have
1:37:56
Speaker 1: become a cult. A lot of things have become like
1:37:59
Speaker 1: that because we're we're so like you said, disillusion. I
1:38:02
Speaker 1: don't trust seeing it in Fox. I don't trust the government. Okay,
1:38:05
Speaker 1: So who do you trust? Anybody who tells you what
1:38:07
Speaker 1: you want to hear? And guess who knows what you
1:38:09
Speaker 1: want to hear? The government who knows you don't trust them,
1:38:12
Speaker 1: The intelligence agencies who know you don't trust them, so
1:38:14
Speaker 1: they're going to tell you the opposite of what's true.
1:38:16
Speaker 1: They could even tell you the truth, and you'll say, no,
1:38:19
Speaker 1: that's not the truth because you said it was true.
1:38:21
Speaker 1: And the other movie I did tell you the truth, Well,
1:38:23
Speaker 1: I don't believe it because you told me.
1:38:28
Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly what's going on. And if you
1:38:30
Speaker 2: don't think that the government is also in control of
1:38:37
Speaker 2: I don't want to say. The government is a very
1:38:39
Speaker 2: broad spectrum.
1:38:41
Speaker 1: If you don't think the deep state.
1:38:43
Speaker 2: The intelligence communities are also in charge of the alternative community,
1:38:48
Speaker 2: then you're highly.
1:38:50
Speaker 1: Mistaken, very uninformed.
1:38:53
Speaker 2: You're wrong. They're in control of all of it. Because
1:38:58
Speaker 2: that's how you control the persons of the people, is
1:39:02
Speaker 2: you control both sides. That's the only way that you
1:39:05
Speaker 2: can know the reaction of the people is if you
1:39:09
Speaker 2: control all of the information. That's it.
1:39:14
Speaker 1: It's also like a magic wand too, because you know,
1:39:17
Speaker 1: most people just learn what they learn in school and
1:39:19
Speaker 1: that's it, and that's okay, that's fine, But when you
1:39:22
Speaker 1: go any further than that, you know, every step I've
1:39:24
Speaker 1: taken forward in every subject over the last fifteen years,
1:39:29
Speaker 1: I learned something new every day. I'm always like blown
1:39:31
Speaker 1: away by it, things that I've never never imagined or
1:39:34
Speaker 1: never thought. And then when you present that to somebody
1:39:37
Speaker 1: who has no clue because they've just worked in nine
1:39:40
Speaker 1: to five and all they know is what they learned
1:39:42
Speaker 1: in high school and maybe a little bit of college.
1:39:44
Speaker 1: You present that to them, it blows their mind and
1:39:47
Speaker 1: it almost becomes kind of like a a there's like
1:39:51
Speaker 1: a cult like mentality that develops from that, because you
1:39:54
Speaker 1: almost become godlike. It's like giving a cell phone to
1:39:57
Speaker 1: very primitive people in a jungle but don't even know
1:40:00
Speaker 1: how to use it, but you're a god to them.
1:40:03
Speaker 1: It's like you're getting somebody information. It's like, oh my god,
1:40:05
Speaker 1: the Germans at a proximity study of dropping a seventeen
1:40:08
Speaker 1: kila ton nuclear weapon on Manhattan and that's the same
1:40:11
Speaker 1: bomb that was dropped on Japan. That can't be true.
1:40:13
Speaker 1: Oh my god. There's effidence of it in the National Archives,
1:40:16
Speaker 1: there's records of it, there's scans of the documents. It
1:40:18
Speaker 1: is real, Oh my god. And it blows your mind.
1:40:21
Speaker 1: It blew my mind too when I learned that. It
1:40:23
Speaker 1: blows your mind. And then it becomes like, you know,
1:40:26
Speaker 1: sufficiently advanced technology. It's indistinguishable from magic. I guess any
1:40:30
Speaker 1: sort of any sort of interesting historical facts that you
1:40:35
Speaker 1: don't learn in school, become indistinguishable from magic in a sense.
1:40:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then people will be like, oh, well, why
1:40:42
Speaker 2: didn't they teach us all this stuff in school? Why
1:40:45
Speaker 2: didn't they tell us all because you can't. It's impossible
1:40:50
Speaker 2: to fit all the things throughout history into the limited
1:40:54
Speaker 2: amount of years that you're in school. I mean, that's
1:40:57
Speaker 2: what we have the internet for. You know, we have
1:40:59
Speaker 2: all the information at our fingertips.
1:41:03
Speaker 3: We're able to just look at I mean, this is
1:41:07
Speaker 3: the most important time, I think for anyone in history.
1:41:14
Speaker 2: We've never had this level of information at our fingertips
1:41:20
Speaker 2: ever in history. You can literally just speak into your
1:41:26
Speaker 2: freaking phone, dude, and you get all the information anything
1:41:32
Speaker 2: that you want. I mean some things take more digging
1:41:35
Speaker 2: and to find more things, and like more reading, but
1:41:39
Speaker 2: we have it all at our disposal. You know, we
1:41:44
Speaker 2: no longer have to go to a library or reading
1:41:48
Speaker 2: through news articles. It's all online now. We all everyone
1:41:54
Speaker 2: has access to the exact same information they so choose to.
1:42:01
Speaker 1: Find it, even people that don't have a place to live.
1:42:04
Speaker 1: I mean, you see people on the streets have cell phones, smartphones.
1:42:07
Speaker 1: I saw a guy with an iPhone not necessarily new
1:42:10
Speaker 1: and it was like an iPhone ten probably when I
1:42:13
Speaker 1: was in Palm Springs, homeless guy on the side of
1:42:14
Speaker 1: the road with the shopping cart clearly has been living
1:42:17
Speaker 1: on the street. He had a freaking iPhone. You know.
1:42:21
Speaker 1: That's the nature of being poor in the United States
1:42:24
Speaker 1: top of everything else. So you can still access things
1:42:27
Speaker 1: like that unless you go to the library and access
1:42:28
Speaker 1: stuff even if you don't have it at home, and yes,
1:42:32
Speaker 1: you have access to it, you don't have to carry
1:42:33
Speaker 1: books around. I mean a lot of people, you know,
1:42:35
Speaker 1: prefer digital reading anyway. You mean, you can get a
1:42:38
Speaker 1: digital reader and download thousands of books to a thing
1:42:40
Speaker 1: that's about the size of a magazine. It's like unlimited access.
1:42:44
Speaker 1: It's not just monks that can read and write and
1:42:47
Speaker 1: transcribe things. It's not just the priests. Everybody can do
1:42:51
Speaker 1: that today.
1:42:54
Speaker 2: I agree, And it's a very fascinating time. And I
1:42:57
Speaker 2: don't think the is definitely never experienced anything like this,
1:43:02
Speaker 2: and the history of the world.
1:43:06
Speaker 1: It might be too much for people to deal with collectively.
1:43:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could be, and in some cases
1:43:15
Speaker 2: like information overload, but it's the same thing that the
1:43:19
Speaker 2: news media does to people. You know, they regurgitate the
1:43:23
Speaker 2: same information with a different headline three or four different
1:43:27
Speaker 2: times a day, you know, and it's just hitting you
1:43:30
Speaker 2: with you know, constant sensory stimulation all the time. Twenty
1:43:38
Speaker 2: four to seven was something different, and that jumbles up
1:43:44
Speaker 2: all the information in your head to where it's hard
1:43:48
Speaker 2: to realize where you even heard certain information from. And
1:43:52
Speaker 2: that's another problem within the community, Like people listen to
1:43:56
Speaker 2: so many different people one after the other and after
1:44:00
Speaker 2: the other, that they can't remember where they heard things from.
1:44:05
Speaker 2: And then they go out and regurt hate those things
1:44:09
Speaker 2: as if it's their own and that as if they
1:44:13
Speaker 2: created it, and then it becomes this whole this snowball effect.
1:44:19
Speaker 2: And I really think that this merging of the alternative
1:44:23
Speaker 2: community and the mainstream communities has been a decades long
1:44:31
Speaker 2: set up by the intelligence communities to disassemble and undermine society.
1:44:41
Speaker 1: Free thought and any kind of any kind of investigation
1:44:47
Speaker 1: into official narratives or official stories. I mean, we've saw
1:44:50
Speaker 1: we've seen that and talked about it so many times.
1:44:53
Speaker 1: The Robertson report from the early fifties, just on ufology,
1:44:57
Speaker 1: that same model has been applied to virtually everything.
1:45:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, Robertson Panel Report. Yeah, the the Project Blue Book.
1:45:06
Speaker 2: You have Project Sign. What was the other project before
1:45:10
Speaker 2: Project Sign? I think Sign was Grudge, Yes, Project.
1:45:14
Speaker 1: Grudge, not David Grush Grudge.
1:45:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, Grudge, Grush and Krush.
1:45:23
Speaker 1: And rush to conclusions about things that we don't know.
1:45:28
Speaker 2: Keep you say those for super Fast.
1:45:32
Speaker 1: So there's a lot we've talked about on the show tonight.
1:45:35
Speaker 1: We started with me a triangle. We made our way here.
1:45:38
Speaker 1: I think it's all very much related. I hope that
1:45:41
Speaker 1: people have enjoyed the show in general, but specifically little
1:45:44
Speaker 1: things that aren't well known, you know, like the you
1:45:48
Speaker 1: talked about that Eastern Airlines flight for zero one. I
1:45:51
Speaker 1: forgot about that. And then there's other triangles like the
1:45:54
Speaker 1: Devil's Triangle off the coast of Japan. There's the Michigan Triangle.
1:45:58
Speaker 1: There's the Alaskan triangle, which is that those are cases
1:46:01
Speaker 1: of you have oceans in the case of Japan, or seas.
1:46:05
Speaker 1: You have the forest in the case of Alaska, and
1:46:08
Speaker 1: you have land also in the United States that has
1:46:11
Speaker 1: these vour Texas supposedly people go missing, things go missing,
1:46:15
Speaker 1: but in the Great Lakes, so you have water, you
1:46:17
Speaker 1: have forests, you have oceans, you have seas where this
1:46:19
Speaker 1: is happening. This is this is a global phenomenon. It's
1:46:22
Speaker 1: happening all over the world, and it's involved the military
1:46:25
Speaker 1: too that have lost planes and have lost people and
1:46:28
Speaker 1: have lost boats. Don't really have an answer for you.
1:46:32
Speaker 1: I don't have a solution to this. I don't think
1:46:34
Speaker 1: Rider does. But last few minutes we have a final
1:46:37
Speaker 1: closing commentary on Bermuda and anything else that you want
1:46:40
Speaker 1: to add, including I know you have this new movie
1:46:42
Speaker 1: coming out you want to talk about that. We've got
1:46:43
Speaker 1: about three minutes.
1:46:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm well, first off, thanks for having me on.
1:46:50
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. Always interesting conversation. I hope people really
1:46:54
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. We're bringing the Bermuda Triangle back, babe. People
1:46:57
Speaker 2: are going to be talking about and now we're going
1:46:59
Speaker 2: to be talking about it again. And then we're going
1:47:01
Speaker 2: to create that eggrigre and something is going to go
1:47:05
Speaker 2: missing soon. Yeah, yeah, what's going to happen. We're going
1:47:08
Speaker 2: to have a new mystery of the Bermuda Triangle soon.
1:47:13
Speaker 1: I would hope that Jason Bashers would go missing. I'm
1:47:15
Speaker 1: tired of hearing about his crap every time he does something.
1:47:18
Speaker 1: People I get calls people. Did you hear what Jason
1:47:20
Speaker 1: Bersheer said. I don't give a shit what Jason Scheer said.
1:47:23
Speaker 1: I listened to him. Well look at this map. It's like,
1:47:26
Speaker 1: shut the f up. I'm so tired of this garbage
1:47:28
Speaker 1: that's promoted by YouTube and your show doesn't get any promotion.
1:47:32
Speaker 2: It doesn't do it, and it's so discouraging. And like
1:47:37
Speaker 2: I've literally seen people that have had that's had a
1:47:39
Speaker 2: channel for half the amount of time that I've had
1:47:42
Speaker 2: a channel surpass me in views and subscribers, and they're
1:47:48
Speaker 2: just they're the same old type of channel that doesn't
1:47:53
Speaker 2: do anything new, regurgitates old information, doesn't try and get
1:47:58
Speaker 2: to the bottom of anything, but they bring on on
1:48:00
Speaker 2: all the people that brings that audience to that. Yeah,
1:48:04
Speaker 2: it's and I have never been discovered through a good
1:48:07
Speaker 2: YouTube search result. I'm on my soapboxer.
1:48:12
Speaker 1: But it's like to tell U about the new movie.
1:48:15
Speaker 2: Yes, a new movie, a clockwork Shining. I have been
1:48:20
Speaker 2: diligently working on it. I haven't done any shows for
1:48:24
Speaker 2: a while now, but I will be doing a few
1:48:27
Speaker 2: shows here soon. I've just been trying to get this
1:48:30
Speaker 2: documentary done because it's very difficulty and it's very tedious
1:48:35
Speaker 2: and to make sure that everything is perfect and everything
1:48:38
Speaker 2: is right, and it's a really big topic and we
1:48:44
Speaker 2: cover a lot of information and Jay Weiner is in it.
1:48:48
Speaker 2: It is by Qubrick Productions, and we also have Mark
1:48:55
Speaker 2: Dovlin in the documentary. We also have uh Kathie, Brian
1:49:00
Speaker 2: Walter Bosley and Joe Atwell. And this will be out
1:49:05
Speaker 2: hopefully by the middle of September. And if no one
1:49:09
Speaker 2: wants to support anything else I do. Whenever this documentary
1:49:12
Speaker 2: comes out, please support this and watch it. It will
1:49:16
Speaker 2: be on Amazon Prime. And thanks for listening everyone, and
1:49:19
Speaker 2: thanks so much for having me on again. Ryan really
1:49:21
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
1:49:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got it. It's probably going to be what
1:49:24
Speaker 1: a couple of dollars, just like JFKX.
1:49:27
Speaker 2: Not one hundred percent sure. I've put a lot of
1:49:29
Speaker 2: work into this thing, dude, Like I've I've been working
1:49:31
Speaker 2: on it for like five months on and off, so
1:49:36
Speaker 2: it's taken a lot of my time. So probably it'll
1:49:40
Speaker 2: it'll be more than JFKX, but it won't be that
1:49:44
Speaker 2: much more. But really quickly, it's it's about MK Ultra,
1:49:49
Speaker 2: It's about the shining it's about Stanley Kubrik. It's about
1:49:52
Speaker 2: the intelligence agencies infiltration into the music industry and the
1:49:56
Speaker 2: film industry. So it's going to be U.
1:50:01
Speaker 1: I like excellent stuff. Cool. Well, I really appreciate you
1:50:03
Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thank you so much. Writer, Raised
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1:50:08
Speaker 2: Sir, Raised by giants on YouTube and any and all
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1:50:12
Speaker 1: Alrighty well, I'll talk to you sometime soon. Great show.
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