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PARENTAL CONTROL 2: Big Valley Energy (w/ Adam Teterus) · Breaking Mayberry

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of Breaking Mayberry the podcast. It's just
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  as good as you, damn it, just as good as you, even
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  though pod disowned me, even though we never said who I was just as
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  good. Just like you gotta right to this name. We gotta right to
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  the name Breaking Mayberry, and I have the right to the name. Marty
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  Schneider. I'm one of your hosts. I'm your bastard son, Dan Ludwig.
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  That's right. I've come to get what's mine and with us today is
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  the cute brainy one who will be written out of the show eight episodes in
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  Adam Terris. Hey, gentlemen, thanks for having me. If one of
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  you is Heath, the bastard Sun and Marty, who would you be?
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  I guess If if Dan's Heath, then I'm Nick? Are you Nick?
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  Hold on? This is too? Does that mean that I'm Jared? I
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  mean, you guys can tell these people about Can I just put this into
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  play? And we haven't even talked about the show that we're talking about,
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  but I imagine that the title of this episode would indicate this. Can I
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  just put into this the suggestion box? I would like to be Victoria,
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  all right? We would all like to be Victoria. It's an aspiration,
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  silver Fox. I was into it. I know Audre is there for the
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  gays, and I don't mean like the plural, but you know, the
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  patriarchal ze gays, but also a little bit there for the gays. Actually,
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  you know what, Audre, I hope all of them a little bit
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  for the camp gies. Yeah, but Victoria was I'm getting ahead of myself.
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  Thank you very much for letting me be on the show again. Um,
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  multiple times I've been on the show. It is my distinct privilege,
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  and I have felt like every single time I've walked away from a recording session
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  with both of you, I've made you want to end the show or consider
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  not putting out what we recorded. So I'm happy to be here on my
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  best behavior and to watch a show that my dad likes. Adam, every
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  time I'm with you, I feel like not putting out all right, party,
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  straining against your pure chaos energy to try to keep us within three tangents.
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  Everybody knows that I am known as the nicest joker, for example,
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  to bring home to mom for example, assholes, it's been two minutes,
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  like two or three minutes and if you're still listening, let me explain to
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  you what's going on. We are in the middle of one of our miniseries,
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  one of the two mini series we have going on. This is another
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  episode of Parental Control, a show where we bring people on and ask them
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  to tell us about a show that there was their parents' favorite when their parents
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  were young, was their parents' favorite when they were young, or is their
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  parents' favorite show now? And So Adam Terris, who I think is our
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  first and maybe only three time guest, whoa, I'm the Steve Martin of
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  this podcast. Yeah, you're you're you're only three peete here ye, Adam
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  has brought us The Big Valley. The Big Valley a Western drama series from
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  that aired from nineteen sixty five to nineteen sixty nine on ABC. Uh.
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  Sort of seems like it was the precursor to Dynasty and Dallas and I think
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  probably ran alongside gun Smoke, but kind of like all of those like western
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  dramas and I guess now Yellowstone, Yeah, all of those like family western
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  dramas, This was kind of the precursor, the first one of those bad
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  boys. So, Adam, why did you bring us The Big Valley.
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  Well, for the record, this was not my first pick. My first
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  pick was, uh, the Osbournes. You know, my dad loved that
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  growing up. Um My dad is Benjamin Button, and he watched a lot
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  of The Osbourne's, the reality TV with Ozzie and Sharon Um and the other
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  two. And Uh, I really wanted to watch the Osbournes. I thought
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  it might mess with your timeline of like old shows because parents are old.
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  This isn't So I didn't. I didn't. I didn't go with that one.
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  I mean much more within our wheelhouse, the Osbourne's Son, because we
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  did just do episodes on Supernatural and Stargate SG one, So that okay,
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  well that fit well. So my next my second pick, actually my fallback
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  would have been Man versus Beast my you know, my mom loved that growing
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  up. I think that came out in two thousand and seven, and that
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  was the one where the professional eater Kobe Ashi had a hot dog eating content
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  against a bear bear. What the fuck are you talking about? Adam,
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  Adam, Adam, what are you doing? You would, Adam? You
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  and I talked about this episode for weeks. Weeks. We had multiple comments
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  and at no point in time. Did you bring either of these to my
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  attention? What the fuck? Adam? Well? Who hold on? Who
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  have I been emailing about Man Versus Beasts? Adam? Is each episode Kobyashi
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  trying to have an eating contest against a different animal, know you, fool?
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  Okay, it's the same animal every time. It's always it's always him
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  versus the bear. They just change out the food. He really lost that
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  raw salmon contest. Let me tell you he lost that. Man of the
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  episodes was a navy a Navy seal in an obstacle course against a chimpanzee.
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  One of an episode was kobi Ashi versus a bear in an eating competition.
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  And I know I remember one of them was someone raised a draft, but
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  I don't. I'm sure you know a very fast person tried to raise a
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  draff. And I know there were other episodes. And I'm telling you my
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  mom and dad, they grew up with it. They talk about it all
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  the time. Their best years are behind them. Because Man Versus Beast is
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  off the air, and Man Versus Beast came out in two thousand and three,
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  Jesus Christ. So I'm going to imagine, based off of the premise,
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  the animals probably had a one win ratio, right, I am almost
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  certain, and don't quote me here that in every episode at the end off
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  camera every human being was killed by it. And don't again, don't quote
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  me here. R I p Kobiashibi must win the eating contest or he has
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  to fight the bear. Can I just part the veil? All of this
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  is bs, of course, but I'm looking at the Man versus Beast Wikipedia
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  entry and all of the competitions one, two, three, four, five,
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  five competitions are listed in the wiki. I'm not sure if this is
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  aprehensive or just a piece. And all of the people are named, athletes
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  are named, except for and I quote a group of forty four dwarves lost
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  a race against an Asian elephant and a sumo wrestler lost a tug of that.
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  You know, the sumo wrestler has a name, and it bothers me
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  that he's not named in the wiki. And whoever is listening to this episode
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  and worked on Man Versus Beast and I know you're out there, I need
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  you to edit the wiki. Why would you ever assume that forty four dwarves
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  could beat the elephant? Yeah, everything, everything elsean horse scenario. Did
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  they have like did they have like like a Volkswagen they were shriving? It
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  says here in parentheses, Um, it was a trojan horse. So yeah,
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  it turns out, if anything, I would place the little people at
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  a massive disadvantage in this. Why why are there forty four of that?
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  What difference does that make? Are they all operating a giant mechanical elephant and
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  like three of them were in the legs and like for them? Yeah?
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  Am serious of levers and pulleys that they were working on? Well, it
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  says a group of forty four dwarfs lost a race against an Asian elephant.
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  Why would they win? Would even think they would win? This? Will?
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  This explains a lot, but it says in parentheses, the forty four
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  dwarfs were formed like Vultron. They had a mecha Godzilla situation going. So,
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  I mean I think that kind of explains everything everything else. Yeah,
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  okay, su Sumo wrestler wins it. You know, tug of war against
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  a gorilla? All right, sure, I can see why you would think
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  that's a challenge everything. Hell, what what the hell? It was?
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  It was an orangutang who was also not named, And I think this sucks.
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  I'm I am upset and I need the wiki to be edited. Ud.
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  I mean this episode is because it ended with a fatality. Right.
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  There was one thing where like, oh, this guy's going to going to
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  raise a cheetah in the hurdle contest, and then the cheetah just ripped his
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  face off. It was a zebra, you fool. Yeah, he's someone
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  did race a zebra. That was Sean Crawford, world class sprinter one hundred
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  meter race against a draft, and he won, but he lost to the
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  zebra, which is surprising. Zebras are kind of tubby. Anyway, thanks
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  for having me on the show. The show that I chose that my dad
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  truly genuinely actually grew up with and loves is the show The Big Valley.
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  And to explain why I chose that show, I have a vivid memory,
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  or maybe a series of vivid memories of my dad having the time of his
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  life watching Big Valley episodes on our very small kitchen TV. And every time
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  he's having a great time, and every time he puts on Big Valley,
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  my mom simply won't have it, can't be in the room with it.
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  It's clear that she has endured many hours, and I do mean hours,
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  because Big Valley turns out that's prestige TV in nineteen sixty five. There's so
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  long, hour long episodes. They go on forever. So my mom absolutely
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  could not be in the room while Big Valley was on. I can't share
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  that interest with my dad. But my dad loves Big Valley. And in
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  spite of that dynamic and my mom having that big reaction and my dad having
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  so much fun watching the show, I have never not once sat with my
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  dad to watch the show. And in truth, Marty Papa, I'm feeling
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  a little guilty about that, and I thought, what a terrific opportunity to
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  correct my errors, my arrogance. I think I probably turned him down at
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  least once. Instead of watching a Big Valley, I probably watched Man Versus
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  Beast? So is your dad gonna listen to this episode? A thousand percent?
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  And I will say, okay, I just want to say personally to
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  you, my father, everything I said in the beginning was a joke.
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  I didn't mean any of it. I don't think you've ever seen or heard
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  of the Osburns and I pulled that out of my hat. It wasn't that
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  funny. So I did choose me, so you switch. You flip that
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  on us, Yeah, you flip that on us. As I have said
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  many times to you, Adam, sometimes sometimes it's hard to tell when you're
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  doing a bit. You're you're so deadpan. Sometimes it's hard to tell when
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  you're doing a bit or when you're telling me something actually, and it makes
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  it hard to be your friend. I am known as the funny joker,
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  is what they referred to me. As you could have a funny chaos.
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  I feel like you could deliver the news that my family was dead and just
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  maintained the exact same tone throughout the whole thing. Hey, Dan, bad
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  news. Your family entered into a competition against an orangutang. It was a
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  tug of war petition, which, by the way, is dangerous. Don't
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  look it up. Don't don't don't try to authenticate this claim. Don't look
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  at up this dangerous anyway. Both of your parents are were ripped off simultaneously
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  with one big tug. Yeah. They were helping forty four dwarfs form Bolt
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  Run and it didn't work out. For strangely, only your parents all forty
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  four dwarfs just fine and it's probably something to do with the fact that they
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  were protected by a mex suit. Yes, okay, So so what is
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  the show about. Your dad loves this show, Tell your mom your mom
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  hates this show. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what The Big Valley is
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  about. The Big Valley is about a rich, wealthy ranching family in Stockton
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  in the eighteen hundreds, eighteen forty four or eighteen eighty four to eighteen eighty
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  eight. Uh. It's about these three or four brothers, depending on how
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  you look at things. Uh. Their names are Jared, Jared and Nick
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  are the main characters. There's one like law man brother. He's he wears
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  a suit and he's a lawyer, reasonable man. He's the reasonable, straightforward
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  one who goes who wants things for law. And then there's Nick and Nick
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  is the root and tooting, shooting cowboy guy. Yeah. And they're joined
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  by a third man, Heath, played by six million dollar man Lee Majors.
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  Yeah. Lee Majors, that's right. Yeah. And Heath might be
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  their fathers, their late father's bastard son. That's what the first episode is
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  about. That's right. They're introduced to Heath, who comes to work for
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  the ranch and then reveals I'm the I might be your bastard son. Uh.
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  And they also have They also have a sister who, as far as
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  I can tell, is there to be hot. Well hold on, let's
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  just say Audre. Audre is this sister, and she is hot. And
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  Audre kicks Heath's butt, you know, sees Heath crouching by their father's tombstone
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  Thomas Barkley rip and um and really just whips the shit out of him.
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  And I was surprised by her vigor beating a man she had not. I
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  thought they were going to have a twist where it's like, oh you and
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  they're tussling around and having fun being flirty, and it wasn't that. She
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  she really truly was just whooping them. Yeah, and they are. This
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  family is led by their matriarch, Barbara Stanwick, who we've talked about before
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  on this show, as as Victoria Barkley. So Barbara. The last time
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  we saw her, she was also tending over a group of young men in
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  the Charlie's Angels episode Tony's Boys. That's right, Actually, can we get
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  a show called Tony's Boys? Oh no, no, you can't. You
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  can't. We we've gone over the myriad reasons why you can't. This is
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  a previous episode. So we did. We did two episodes. We watched
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  the first episode that ever existed, and then we kind of we literally Adam
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  and I rolled the dice on this one. We went to tell him why,
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  tell the audience why. We went to like the list of worst episodes
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  of The Big Valley, which is just according to IMDb ratings, so it's
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  not like particularly why. But Adam Good got out a D twenty a die
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  and he rolled it and he said, whatever, this land's on, We're
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  gonna do that episode. And so I sat next to him and we rolled
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  it and it got like a seven. He goes, okay, let's look
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  at the list of number seven. And the list of number seven was all
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  women are lying horse, Okay, Like it centered around like a false rape
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  accusation. Yes, And we said roll the dice again, yeah, and
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  so we did and we got uh season three, episode twenty six, which
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  is called the Challenge, and we'll get to that in a second, but
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  let's go ahead and talk about season one, episode one, the premiere of
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  The Big Valley, which is called what is it? Palms? Of gold
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  or something like that, with open palms or something, Palms of glory.
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  I was close with Palms of glory. Then I have no idea what the
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  hell that means, but it's funny. I thought it was supposed to be
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  Psalms of glory. Shut. It's not that I would have made sense.
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  Palms of Glory Originally air September fifteenth, nineteen sixty five, written by Christopher
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  Nooff, directed by Willem Graham, and here's your one centen summary from Wikipedia.
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  As the railroad brings in gunmen to force the ranchers and farmers off of
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  their land, the Barkley family leads a fight against the railroad comma, while
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  a mysterious and angry young man arrives Comma, claiming to be the son of
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  the late Tom Barkley. This could have been a two centen summary, Wikipedia
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  editor. We're getting real up on these Wikipedia editors in this episode, leading
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  to get their shit together there. But yeah, it's a sixty minute show,
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  so they need to fill time. So there it is. There's your
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  two plots. Uh, there's you know, we're talking about land rights forever.
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  Uh. And then also a guy shows up and he's pissed off and
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  he's mad. You you're this rich family and he's your bastard, your bastard
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  relative. Yes, yes, let's talk about let's talk about this first episode,
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  Palms of glory. I gotta say, the way that this episode opens
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  rules, Yes, it does rule. Yeah, I'm so glad that you
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  said that. It's This episode is very uneven. It's very up and down.
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  How interested in it I am? But this this intro kicks ass.
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  Yeah. So I mean, without without divulging full details, will divulge.
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  I Well, I'll just say, you know, my my summary of my
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  experience from watching both episodes. I wasn't sure what to expect. I expected,
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  I suppose that I would be bored from the show. I just expected
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  that to be the case. I mostly was not board. But the opening
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  scene of the pilot, the opening scene of the first episode, where both
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  men who at this point we do not know the names of, enter opposite
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  sides of a narrow bridge, have a conversation about their respective ponies and how
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  their horses cannot back up, their great horses, but they can't back up,
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  and then they were going to have a shootout, and while reaching for
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  their their pistols. The bridge collapse. I didn't see that coming, gents,
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  Yeah, I didn't see that coming. The bridge does collapse. You
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  could hear the bridge creaking through the entire scene. That's correct. Yeah,
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  And I wondered, is this just how it went in the sixties where you
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  gotta you take the footage you can get, and maybe it just happens to
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  be creaky. That's really loud creaky. But neither of the actors, neither
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  character acknowledges the creaking, which is why it caught me off guard that it
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  does collapse in a wide shot, and both of the horses and their fellas
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  plunge into a river and then they swim to their respective sides. It was
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  nutty and I just didn't I didn't know what to do at that point.
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  There was no editing, trickery or like a special effects wizardry. They put
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  two horses on a bridge and two guys on those horses, and then they
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  pulled a board away that caused that bridge to collapse into a river. The
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  two horses fell into a river with two guys on them, and I am
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  not confident in the safety procedures that were taken. It looks like that could
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  have gone pretty bad because those horses were not happy about that development. I
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  mean that became Lee Major's thing, right, Like Lee Majors was definitely like
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  a like a falling off of bridges while we're or riding on a horse.
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  Yeah, you gotta love this. I had to work it in that he
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  falls into a bridge on a horse. So we got three hundred episodes in
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  which Steve Austin is on a horse on a bridge. That's interesting stuff.
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  Funny thing. They spent seven million dollars on the horse. WHOA, Now
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  that's a man versus beast. I would like to see no Lee Majors with
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  a stunt guy like he would go and he'd do the he do the Tom
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  Cruise thing of putting himself in dangerous situation for no reason. Um, except
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  back then they didn't really have seven forty seven. They just had horses.
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  They had seven seven horses. Okay, I'm sitting by that. You wanted
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  to do a stunt back then, you had to do something related to a
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  horse, especially mid air. If you wanted to be in a plane,
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  it had to be a horse had to be a horse. Don't know how
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  that works, but it had to be again horses vultron together. That's how
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  you made a plane back again from again. From the Tony's Boys episode,
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  we've learned that one horse and a rope can beat the ship out of a
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  plane. I know how that man versus versus beast ends. I really want
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  to that Tony's voice. Um. So yeah, that's the beginning of the
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  episode. And then we're introduced to this show and I'm by at this point
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  and the and the big Valley like theme plays and I don't remember how it
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  goes. I'm just going to do the magnificent seventh theme bump bump bump,
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  bump, bump bump bump bum bomb, And I'm like, I'm so on
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  board right now. I'm very on board. And then the next scene is
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  like a very long discussion of land rights and legal battle on a train,
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  and I'm like, I am not on board right now. And then it's
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  like we're gonna do a train versus a horse, and I'm like, I'm
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  on board right now, and then more talking about land rights and so land
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  rights discussion is so boring just because it is so simple, but these dipshits
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  have to explain it to each other in detail, where it's like, so
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  the trained company is going to use a legal bullshit to steal a bunch of
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  farmers land. Can they do that legally? Yes? But how like?
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  And then they just explain law and land to each other. But then at
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  the end somebody's like, oh, hell yeah, and then everybody rushes to
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  the window like like schoolboys to see a guy trying to raise a train on
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  a horse. I did like that because I liked seeing Jared and the other
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  fella adding their wagers over time and saying, I bet you one hundred dollars
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  he's gonna beat this train. No, I'll bet you one hundred and fifty.
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  And you have to imagine that the person who is betting against the horse
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  being able to cross the train was betting money on everyone being showered in the
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  blood of a cowboy and a horse. And that's grim when you think about
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  it. They were excitedly standing where they would have been the first to be
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  hit with the big horse heart and the parts of the man, and he
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  was saying, I'm gonna collect me a payday while wiping the gore from his
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  face, And I was just thinking, what a strange outcome you're hoping for?
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  Sir, I'll bet you one hundred dollars. We're about to see a
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  horse get absolutely powdered by a train. My god, dared, I can't
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  wait to taste the blood of this horse. And man, oh, it's
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  gonna taste like your money, Jared gets gonna taste like your money. Blood
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  is gonna be uh, not quite as red as the blood we've shed fighting
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  for our land. The Barcleys deserve this plot of like it was a It's
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  a very dense conversation about things that aren't compelling, and then a man raises
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  a horse, and I feel like that's kind of um the summary of the
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  whole show, right, They're they're not compelling steaks, but also a man
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  raises a horse, And in both episodes we watched, there is a protracted
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  fight scene amongst a lot of not much um, and I feel like that's
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  the energy the show is packing. This is a question I have. Are
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  the Barclays at risk of losing their land? It kind of seems like the
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  Barkleys are fine. It's just other people around them are gonna lose their land
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  because seems like the Barkleys are Barkleys are doing fucking great they's guy. Barkeleys
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  are flush with cash, and it made me kind of sit there and go,
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  I don't give a shit if you lose your land or not. Man,
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  But it's like it's like all the people around them are losing shit.
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  Barkeleys are kind of like the Batman of the Big Valley. Well, and
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  and so and so the and so this is how we're our characters are introduced,
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  right, Uh, Heath, Heath is the like guy. Heath is
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  not on the train. Yet we don't need Heath. I think he was
• 24:27
  the guy racing the train. R right, he races the train. So
• 24:30
  but so. Heath is introduced to Nick where they have a dick measuring contest
• 24:36
  on the bridge that doesn't work out for any of them. Heath is introduced
• 24:38
  to Jared when Jared sees him racing a train that Jared is on, and
• 24:45
  Heath is introduced to Audre when Audre kicks the shit out of him. Yeah,
• 24:48
  and I like that. Heath shows up and he's like, man,
• 24:53
  I've had such a hard time getting here. I fell into a goddamn river
• 24:56
  then I had to ride it. Like, He's not like who I rode
• 25:00
  in front of a train today? He was like I had to ride in
• 25:03
  front of a train. Like he's talking about merging onto the highway. He's
• 25:07
  like a fucking like there was an accident on seventy six. Yeah. Yeah,
• 25:14
  this is cowboy time dance, So merging like racing a train, is
• 25:18
  basically putting a cover on your TPS report. This is just tough stuff for
• 25:22
  a cowboy like him. Um or maybe not tough stuff. I can't tell,
• 25:26
  but yeah, he does have an interesting disposition he I found him sweet
• 25:30
  and affectionate and curious and also a weird guy. I couldn't get a beat
• 25:37
  on him by the end of the first episode, and I liked him a
• 25:40
  lot. In the next episode we watched, which by the way, was
• 25:44
  season three episode twenty six. Oh yeah, the very last episode, also
• 25:48
  the last episode of season three. Goodness. So he eventually makes his way
• 25:53
  to the ranch. We eventually make our way to the ranch. I have
• 25:56
  to point this out, Um Nick Nick reunite with Jared and they go back
• 26:00
  to the ranch together. But on the way there, look, guys,
• 26:04
  I know that this is our thing, right, I know that stuff from
• 26:08
  the sixties doesn't just don't say it though. Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna have
• 26:15
  to say it because this dude, this dude, I know that stuff doesn't
• 26:18
  really age well. But he walks onto the train, sees like a Chinese
• 26:22
  railow worker and goes something like, ming you ugly Oriental and I go you
• 26:30
  ugly mandering, and I go, Jesus, yours was worse. Yeah,
• 26:33
  geez that, I go Jesus. But then here's the thing. Nick does
• 26:37
  this like two or three more times. He has like three scenes in a
• 26:41
  row where he walks into an area, sees a friendly minority, insults them
• 26:47
  to their face. He's like he does this and this scene. The next
• 26:48
  scene he's like, why you ugly Mexican, And then he sees their their
• 26:52
  major Domo who is a former slave, and you can tell he's going,
• 26:56
  Benson, you ugly, and you can sell that like maybe he got the
• 27:00
  end, like maybe he like his mouth was forming it and someone was like,
• 27:03
  Nope, can't do that one, No, No, it's it's his
• 27:07
  Did I do that? It's so weird because it comes in rapid succession.
• 27:12
  It sucks. I mean the bottom the bottom line is it sucks. And
• 27:17
  I know this is kind of the thing that the two of you navigate time
• 27:21
  and time again watching these shows and seeing these things so casually entertaining. That
• 27:26
  sucks and it bums me out a lot. The characterization, I am sure
• 27:33
  is we are seeing that Nick is the rough, the vulgar guy, the
• 27:38
  rowdy, reckless one, and sure, job done, I guess, but
• 27:45
  I'm it's sure everybody feels the same way as Nick, whether or not they
• 27:48
  say it out loud, which is so weird because there's no other reason for
• 27:52
  that the Chinese character or the Mexican character to be in the scene, like
• 27:57
  they basically add nothing. The Chinese worker doesn't even have a line, so
• 28:02
  they're basically just there for that to happen. It's so weird and so like
• 28:07
  off Pudding, and I just it sucks. It sucks a lot, especially
• 28:11
  because like I'm sitting there, like I want to like these guys and I
• 28:14
  want to like this show, but man, oh that hurts that one.
• 28:18
  Victoria never said one foul word, yeah, and we protect her, So
• 28:25
  I do have to say that. The character Silas is the name of the
• 28:30
  Barclays major Domo, the They're butler who works in several episodes. This is
• 28:34
  according to the Wikipedia. In several episodes, his character showed the trauma of
• 28:38
  slavery life for blacks after the Civil War and meaning in his own work for
• 28:44
  the family. So that character's whole deal is, man, slavery was bad.
• 28:48
  It's it's really good that I'm not a slave anymore. Instead, I'm
• 28:51
  just your servant and your butler. This is so much better. And I've
• 28:53
  got a feeling that that's not handled well. I'm not going to touch those
• 28:57
  episodes. The name is Napoleon Whiting, possibly Witting, and I don't know
• 29:04
  if either of you have seen the movie Giant, but I've I've seen the
• 29:08
  movie Giant, and he's in that as well with Rock, husband of Rock
• 29:12
  Hudson, James Dean. Okay, yeah, I anticipate at least one scene
• 29:18
  of him going like, listen, you guys, can't beat yourself up about
• 29:22
  this. You weren't there, give you let yourself off the hook. So
• 29:27
  so there it is. We got that unpleasantry out of the way. We
• 29:30
  had to address it. But man, it's just it's so weird how it
• 29:33
  happens one right after the other. It's so bizarre. Uh, it's bad,
• 29:37
  it's not. But honestly, and after that though, for the most
• 29:41
  part, not much, not that bad, uh jed, bearing in mind,
• 29:45
  of course, that we did need to reroll the Dice because there were
• 29:48
  many episodes that looked pretty rough. So, you know, I want to
• 29:53
  give a lot of credit to Big Value because I enjoyed watching it. But
• 29:57
  I bet if we had watched some of the these other episodes, like the
• 30:02
  episode titled The Emperor of Rice, I don't know if we would be espousing
• 30:07
  their um their courtesy. Yeah, well you know, so here we are.
• 30:14
  So we got that out of the way. The rest of the episode
• 30:17
  is it's basically set up right. I don't even really think we need to
• 30:19
  run scene by scene for this. He shows up, he starts working at
• 30:23
  the at the ranch for like ten minutes, and the others are immediately suspicious,
• 30:30
  particularly Nick. They have a big fight in the like bunk house,
• 30:34
  in the barn. Yeah, in the barn. They have a big fight
• 30:37
  about it. Um, they have a big fight that goes all over the
• 30:41
  property. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's a real they live say. Yeah,
• 30:47
  they're just trading single punches for like twelve minutes. It's a pretty good
• 30:52
  fight for a TV fight. Yeah, for a TV I mean, there
• 30:55
  they are flipping backwards over stuff. They're crashing through things. It really looked
• 31:00
  like they tussled, and you know, I'm not saying that it was well
• 31:04
  choreographed, but not a lot of cuts. They're just swinging and that's pretty
• 31:10
  interesting to watch. You know. It's the kind of TV fight I like
• 31:14
  where both guys mostly just use the same arm and take turns punching each other.
• 31:19
  Watch just left hook, left hook, left hook, left hook.
• 31:23
  I'll say this between this fight and the late the shootout that happens later that
• 31:30
  Adam talked about a little bit. One thing I like about the action on
• 31:33
  the Big Valley is it's very raw. It's not polished. The big shootout
• 31:38
  that they have really looks like what I would imagine an actual West shootout to
• 31:42
  look like, because it's just like a bunch of guys and horses just kind
• 31:47
  of shuffling around trying not to get shot. Nothing's fancy, No one's blowing
• 31:51
  anybody's head off, like there's no cool things happening. It's just chaos and
• 31:53
  everyone's just kind of looking around wildly, just shooting there there there. I
• 32:00
  like Nanny. It is a gunpowder hoot. Nanny is a band that I
• 32:06
  would love to listen to what what what was the name of their hit song?
• 32:10
  Uh, their hit song was, um Cracker I was gonna say,
• 32:19
  I was gonna say Cracker Barrel, Jack Daniels at the Cracker Barrel. Yeah,
• 32:23
  Jack Daniels at the Cracker bar Yeah. I don't remember Jack Daniels at
• 32:28
  the Cracker Barrel by um that gunpowder, dude, gunpowder. Hoot Nanny is
• 32:34
  probably like one of those punk folk bands like Devil Makes Three. That is
• 32:39
  that's like really interesting the first time, and then you're like, all right,
• 32:45
  I'm sick of this stick like the Black Angels. I like the Black
• 32:47
  Angels for three minutes, and then after that it's like, Okay, this
• 32:52
  is this it I've seen. I've seen the Devil Makes Three in concert three
• 32:54
  times because oh hell, you should see the Devil Makes Four go on one
• 32:59
  more time. That gunfight I do love, and it includes my most favorite
• 33:04
  trope in any Western which is man falling off of roof. You cannot have
• 33:09
  a gunfight in the Wild West if you don't have a guy tumble off the
• 33:13
  roof. I don't know how he got up there. I don't know what
• 33:15
  he thought The plan was. Like he wasn't taking cover at any point in
• 33:19
  time, But he really did tumble off the roof, didn't he does.
• 33:22
  There's always like every guy that does this where he's like, I'm gonna climb
• 33:25
  up on this balcony with a pistol and this is gonna go great for me.
• 33:30
  I see no potential issues. Question. Does guy falling out of barn
• 33:36
  count yes? Okay, yeah, it has to be like a high location.
• 33:42
  Yeah, just gonna be a high location, you know, because they
• 33:44
  hired the actor to get that shot and he got it and I love his
• 33:50
  job. We're gonna I want to rank these really fast, because the best
• 33:53
  version of it is guy goes through railing after being shot thousand percent. Second
• 33:59
  one guy goes over railing after being shot. Okay, yeah sure, Then
• 34:05
  it's guy falls off roof and then guy falls out of bar. I think,
• 34:09
  where do we place? Where do we place? Guy falls from height
• 34:15
  and lands on top of a car, Because that's a that's one too.
• 34:20
  I'll tell you what's higher than dumpster? Right? Yes? Yeah, yeah,
• 34:23
  yeah, yeah, car higher than dumpster, but not as high as
• 34:29
  onto a moving bus or train. You survive if you do that? Sure
• 34:35
  to go back to Wild West. What about guy falls off and lands in
• 34:38
  water barrel? Oh class who boots boots in the sky? Yeah yeah,
• 34:45
  okay, going going down a floor from second floor to first floor window,
• 34:51
  out the window? Where do we count the classic? Right, Yeah,
• 34:53
  that's gonna be. That's gonna be Number one is this shot? Guy goes
• 34:58
  through a window or guy gets thrown out, guy gets defense trated. I
• 35:00
  think I gets thrown out of window. Also, yeah, someone used this
• 35:04
  is one of those rare times when guy gets thrown is better than guy gets
• 35:07
  shot, because if he's if he is properly defenistrated and tossed through the window,
• 35:12
  you can't beat that. If he is tossed through a window from a
• 35:15
  height and lands on an Accura, Now that's what I'm looking for. That's
• 35:19
  what I'm looking for. Guy falls off balcony, through guardrail, goes through
• 35:23
  window, lands in water barrel, water barrel, rolls onto and moving Accura.
• 35:30
  And what I've learned is if you go through all of those steps,
• 35:31
  it takes you to a new stage in moral comb. Do you guys know
• 35:36
  about the time that Charles Barkley threw a guy out a window? No,
• 35:39
  hold on, there's a fourth Barkley brother, Charles Barkley, whoa good one,
• 35:47
  yeah, Charles, Sir Charles, Charles Barkley, No, this this
• 35:51
  is a true story. Charles Barkley threw a guy out a club window and
• 35:55
  I think Atlanta. Um, yeah, he was in the club and there
• 36:00
  was this dude who was by the way, I'm gonna tell you right now,
• 36:02
  you're gonna be on Charles's side in this one. Okay. There was
• 36:06
  a dude at the club who was like harassing and groping women, and the
• 36:12
  security crew wasn't doing anything about it. So Charles quite literally took matters into
• 36:16
  his own hands and grabs the guy by the neck and throws him out the
• 36:20
  window. And at and at his arrangement hearing and I swear this is true.
• 36:29
  The judge asks Sir Charles if he has any regrets, and Sir Charles,
• 36:32
  in his Charles Barkley voice, goes, I regret that we were on
• 36:37
  the first floor. I'm glad that he said it in his Charles Barkley voice.
• 36:42
  And that is Mickey Mouse. Yeah. I wait until we find out
• 36:46
  what Charles Barkley's gonna do to Nick. When he learns what Nick said to
• 36:50
  silas for Christ's sakes, up, I'd love to see this. I would
• 36:54
  love to see him throw Nick from the second floor through a window, crashed
• 37:00
  through. What were the other things? Were said? Through a fence,
• 37:04
  water barrel, accurate moving for windows, stained glass windows window always good?
• 37:10
  Wow? Oh skylight window, Oh, skylights always good. Always more glass
• 37:22
  the better. And there's a car with a moon roof parked in the greenhouse.
• 37:25
  So he goes shatters through the roof. Are we are we? John
• 37:30
  wooing? It? Is there a bunch of doves? Like how many birds
• 37:34
  are disturbed by? Yeah? The doves were inside of the car and they
• 37:37
  were all killed. They were on their way to the wedding. When a
• 37:40
  guy gets shot in the hip, falls off a roof and then goes into
• 37:44
  a roof Goldberg machine And at the very end it makes breakfast for pee Wee
• 37:52
  Herman, the aristic. Every morning pee Wee Herman wakes up shoots a cowboy
• 38:04
  off a room. It's cowboy, Curtis. I that does make sense,
• 38:12
  and I want to agree with you because that makes sense, but I simply
• 38:15
  will not have it. You can't you can't shoot Colbert. Don't make people
• 38:17
  imagine cowboy Curtis getting shot. Surely, No, what the fuck are we
• 38:24
  doing here? We just skipped to the next episode. We can honestly,
• 38:29
  I think we can't because we've we've covered all the highlights here right this this
• 38:32
  is episode is just set up. Now. You know the deal, you
• 38:36
  know who the Barclays are, you know Heath whole deal, you know.
• 38:38
  Oh wait, hang on, There's one scene I got to talk about,
• 38:42
  and that is the scene where Audra tries to have sex with her brother.
• 38:50
  Yeah. Oh yeah, No. I wasn't sure if you were talking about
• 38:53
  how like not flirty their relationship was, And I was like, did I
• 38:57
  grossly misinterpret that scene? There? There is a scene where Audra rides her
• 39:01
  way into town. Uh, and she is and like some drunk guys going
• 39:07
  to uh, some drunk guys go to grow They go to assault her and
• 39:10
  then uh, Heath Barkley question Mark pulls a Charles Barkley acclamation point and kicks
• 39:19
  their ass and drag and they go back to his hotel room where he's staying
• 39:23
  and she comes on to him real hard. Yeah. And I didn't like
• 39:30
  how the law men appeared and said to Audra, I'm not going to hear
• 39:35
  your side of the story. You are going to tell your family and then
• 39:37
  I will hear it from your family. I didn't care for that. Um
• 39:40
  that was that was not good. Didn't like that. Shut I'm I wish
• 39:45
  he was thrown through a second floor window, smashed through a fence and it
• 39:51
  was the electric fence that holds the t Rex and the t from Jurassic Park,
• 39:57
  and the fence was not on, so he's not electrocuted, and guys,
• 40:00
  stop me. I fell asleep at the end of the episode. When
• 40:04
  I was watching the episode is quite late at night, and this is very
• 40:07
  much the preamble for the entire series. It is a little confusing because I
• 40:12
  know the pilot needs to sell people on the concept, and I guess they
• 40:15
  didn't need to sell much. They just you know, they had this show
• 40:20
  has an impressive budget, so like the money was just gonna do what the
• 40:24
  money do. And uh, while I was watching the episode, I fell
• 40:29
  asleep right through this. Okay, Audra does try to seduce Heath to be
• 40:35
  like well, to test him. Basically, He's like, She's like,
• 40:37
  well, if we're brother and sister, would we do this? And it's
• 40:44
  it's it's it's got a it's got a very like Riley read like, oh,
• 40:46
  we can't do this. I hear my stepfather kind of do it is
• 40:51
  Riley read one of the Barclays. I thought it was a weird casting choice.
• 40:57
  Can you imagine a porn hub video? And the title is my bastard
• 41:00
  brother just appeared in town and he was desecrating our father's grave. That is
• 41:07
  plus come shot my bastard brother has written, has come to town disguised as
• 41:15
  a ranch handed. Ohh, I'm trapped in the dryer. I kicked the
• 41:21
  ship out of my brother before I got to know who he was. The
• 41:25
  thing. I like it. So the entire thrust of the episode is them
• 41:29
  going like, uh, like, all the farmers are like, we need
• 41:30
  to use violence to protect our land, and the Barkley's being like, you
• 41:36
  can't do that, no, no one Barkley, Jared Barkley, you can't
• 41:42
  do that. It's against the law and it won't go well. And then
• 41:45
  the end is just all the farmers going like, we resisted with violence and
• 41:50
  it was awesome, ruled and worked so good. Yeah. Yeah, eventually
• 41:55
  they do resist with violence. Even Jared goes along with it. Jared get
• 41:59
  shot. Yeah. And by the way, there is another Barkley brother whose
• 42:04
  name is Eugene. There's like a third Barkley brother. He's like he's like
• 42:08
  the young kid, and he's the intellectual and he's like a poet and he
• 42:13
  really thinks about stuff. And eight episodes into the series, they said Eugene
• 42:16
  joined the army and never talked about him again. Who oh they that brother
• 42:22
  would have been the prototype for them. Have you seen the movie Power of
• 42:25
  the Dog. Yeah, he would have been that. Yeah, he would
• 42:29
  have been the power I know what point you're making this film. So they
• 42:34
  do this so that guy you don't need to worry about him. He basically
• 42:37
  just doesn't do I forgot he existed in this episode. And he's also yeah,
• 42:42
  and so they cut him out because you've already got too many guys.
• 42:45
  And we haven't really talked about Victoria. And I think we'll talk about Victoria
• 42:50
  more in this next episode next, So let's talk about this next episode,
• 42:52
  which is mostly Victoria. In fact, in fact, Adra isn't in this
• 42:58
  episode at all? Is she No? Okay, so we'll we'll forget about
• 43:00
  Audre. So now it's the army. Yeah, it's weird. It's see
• 43:07
  they just say that she's in New York for this episode, so oh yeah,
• 43:10
  that's right. They do area Season three, episode twenty six, The
• 43:15
  Challenge airs March eighteenth, nineteen sixty eight. Written by Virgil W. Vogel,
• 43:22
  Great name, directed by Mark no I hang, sorry, I'm sorry,
• 43:25
  directed by Virgil Vogel. Yeah, it was written by a woman,
• 43:29
  written by a woman, written by Margaret Arman. That's right, And here
• 43:34
  is your one sentence summary from Wikipedia. A senator comes to Stockton to campaign
• 43:39
  for reelection, but finds himself the target of a smear campaign that pulls Victoria
• 43:45
  in as well. All right, so let's do consensus on this episode.
• 43:50
  It's pretty good. I loved it, loved it. First episode. I
• 43:54
  was up and down on first episode. I was like, I know,
• 43:58
  But by the end I was like, I get the premise of this and
• 44:00
  I'm interested in what this, so I'll stick around for a little bit.
• 44:02
  This episode is like they're they're running pretty well on this. It's still it's
• 44:07
  still too much talking. It still should not be an hour long. Are
• 44:10
  you are you fellas looking at the IMDb? By chance? I am,
• 44:15
  um, do you want to drop a bomb about a secret cast member in
• 44:20
  this episode for the for this exact episode, no go for it, ye
• 44:23
  re just fill it. Yeah. He plays a nameless reporter that, by
• 44:30
  the way, is one of the things that the Big Valley, I guess
• 44:34
  was known for. One of the things in the Like Wikipedia is they've got
• 44:38
  an entire section of guest stars and it is one, two, three,
• 44:42
  four, five, six, seven eight columns long. And I recognize some
• 44:47
  of these names from from the Andy Griffith Show, like RG Armstrong. I
• 44:52
  recognize and Ron Howard and but also other names on here, like like Maco
• 44:58
  appears Maco Here's in here. Richard Dreyfus is on here, Bruce Dern,
• 45:04
  John Carradine of course, Leslie Nielsen, uh Wow, Rija Philbin is on
• 45:09
  this list, Carl Swenson is on here, Adam west is in is on
• 45:14
  this list. Charles Barkley Charles Barkley appears, uh so pretty much, and
• 45:20
  Yafat Kdo is in this is on this list. Diane Mark Lopoon from uh
• 45:25
  this from the Jedi, from the Star Wars, low Pan, Superman,
• 45:30
  every single Power Ranger, uh O Man as one guy. Okay, that's
• 45:39
  fair anyway, this episode is great. I thought it was a great episode,
• 45:45
  and even when I thought it was going one way, actually the entire
• 45:49
  time I thought it was going one way, and the episode managed to surprise
• 45:52
  me. So I can honestly say I did not know what was going to
• 45:57
  happen at any point in time, and I was bought in the entire time.
• 46:00
  In the ending, for me was a bit of a thinker. I
• 46:05
  don't know if this was on purpose or not, but it felt like it
• 46:07
  was truly making a statement about the the character of both sides when it comes
• 46:13
  to a political for sure. Yeah. But before we go into that again,
• 46:16
  say one more name from this list, Uh, Robert Loja? Yeah,
• 46:22
  which means the second time that Robert Loja and Barbara Stanwick appeared on a
• 46:27
  show together that we covered. So again back to is Robert also in Tony's
• 46:32
  Boys. You gotta watch Tony's Boys in the In the in the third column,
• 46:38
  it says Takiro Kobayashi, um professional eater. He came on to do
• 46:44
  an eating contest against a bear. Again, this is a very weird b
• 46:49
  plot against Senator BANNERD. That's weird. I guess that's how they elected people
• 46:53
  back then. So so this episode, Uh, a senator comes to town.
• 47:00
  He's already a senator and he is he a US senator or like California
• 47:04
  state senator. It doesn't really matter, but I want I think California State.
• 47:07
  He's a California State senator and he's campaigning and he comes to Stockton.
• 47:10
  Uh, and it's revealed that he and Victoria, the matriarch of the show,
• 47:16
  they were they're flirty. They used to have a thing. He used
• 47:20
  to have a thing before before she got married. Uh. And they're still
• 47:24
  like kind of into each other. It's pretty clear to literally everybody within a
• 47:30
  five mile radius, like, oh they these two want to bone They they
• 47:34
  sit down to dinner, and the senator, who's in a heated reelection race,
• 47:39
  rapidly it reveals himself to be a fucking psychopath and a wily He's just
• 47:45
  kind of like, well, I'm just a humble country psychopath. I have
• 47:52
  trouble controlling my violent impulses. If if this was made today, you would
• 47:58
  not know like what the psychopath the senator is until like forty five minutes in.
• 48:02
  He would just be very charming, very personal. He'd be like oh
• 48:07
  no, and then like the last forty five minutes, he'd just be like,
• 48:09
  oh man, that's terrible. Snap someone's neck. Yeah, that's how
• 48:15
  would go to In this episode, he's just like, hello, here's my
• 48:17
  deal. People like me, but also I'm fucking nuts. He has a
• 48:23
  he has a bit of Gary Busey energy where he is. And this is
• 48:29
  interesting to me in something that I did enjoy, which is he seems to
• 48:34
  be aware of his psychopathy and yet still indulges in it. I think during
• 48:40
  his dinner with Victoria he claims that he has gotten his anger in check,
• 48:45
  and moments after that, maybe a full minute, kicks the shit out of
• 48:51
  a drunk man. And I just, I mean, I found it comedic
• 48:55
  that both of these things, that the line of dialogue where he's like,
• 49:00
  hey, look I got my anger in check, and then he really unleashes
• 49:04
  on a guy. You know, those things happening back to back. I
• 49:07
  was convinced the episode was building him up to be untrustworthy, uncouth. Obviously
• 49:13
  this was not a reference then, but to my eyes, Trumpian indulging,
• 49:19
  indulgent and angry and flying off the handle, where the other candidate, Judge
• 49:25
  Daggett, seemed to be the intellectual guy, even though he had a lot
• 49:30
  of strange stances as well. Are we supposed to in the show's view,
• 49:37
  Am I supposed to like the senator? This is my question as well.
• 49:43
  Yeah, I totally. It feels like it's pretty on the Senator's side,
• 49:49
  and the Senator has like a really weird way of framing his because all of
• 49:52
  his faults he comes out and he tells you like, but it's always like,
• 49:57
  well, you know me, I have my I have my one fault,
• 50:00
  fault, I have anchor issues, and it's like, you know me,
• 50:02
  I have my one fault. I'm very impulsive in make rash decisions.
• 50:07
  Are you know me? I have my one fault. I'm very stubborner you
• 50:10
  know me? I like to commit manslaughter a lot. That's right, Yeah,
• 50:15
  he does. He very much does threaten to murder and then invite to
• 50:20
  murder his opposing candidate. And it seems to me like the actions, the
• 50:25
  dialogue, the blocking of this episode is leading me to think that I don't
• 50:30
  like bannered the Senator Banner. However, Victoria likes him, and the Barclays
• 50:37
  like him, and the Barclays frequently reference that they are not in the same
• 50:43
  party with Judge Daggett, which leads me to think, well, I mean,
• 50:46
  I mean, but we like the Barkleys, so we have to be
• 50:50
  with the Barcley. It's the same question that we have with Andy Griffith all
• 50:53
  the time, which is whose side am I supposed to be on with this
• 50:57
  show? You know? And Adam makes a good point like, well,
• 51:00
  the protagonists are on this side, so I guess the show wants me to
• 51:05
  be on there, so maybe, yeah, I think I have the definitive
• 51:07
  answer to this, and I think it's all just one scene where they show
• 51:14
  a prolonged scene of him being nice to a horse, and I'm pretty sure
• 51:17
  that this is this show's go to whenever they like want to give a thumbs
• 51:22
  up to a guy, where they're just like, oh, oh hey,
• 51:24
  they're shadow, oh you you're such a big, strong horse here, let
• 51:28
  me give you an apple, and it's like thumbs up. This guy's great.
• 51:31
  Yeah, that's a good point, Dan, Although when he's speaking sweetly
• 51:36
  to his horse, he then hops on his horse and he's like, let's
• 51:38
  go murder Judge Daggett, And so that's confusing too, because he is being
• 51:43
  a real sweetie to his his pony, but then they ride together like the
• 51:47
  wind to kill meditated slot. All right, hang on, let's let's let's
• 51:54
  give them reference here. So there's so much plot to this episode. This
• 51:58
  episode is actually this episode, actually would you mind? Can I swing at
• 52:02
  this? Yeah? Go for it? Okay. So Senator Bannard arrives in
• 52:07
  town. He is warmly received by the Barclays, but he's getting the cold
• 52:10
  shoulder from his opposing candidate, Judge Daggett, who seems to be a kind
• 52:15
  of a skinny, kind of untrustworthy intellectual type who cares a lot about money.
• 52:20
  And you could read into that if you want to. Senator Bannard used
• 52:23
  to have a relationship with Victoria. This is a Victoria vehicle. This entire
• 52:28
  episode seems to be about Victoria, her past, how awesome she looks in
• 52:32
  leather And we're going to get back to the leather jack in a second.
• 52:37
  On that jack leather jacket. And we see that Bannard's talking about his past,
• 52:42
  how things are good, he's happily married, he's doing well, he's
• 52:45
  figured out how to be a successful politician, and yet he still falls into
• 52:50
  the tramp of being indulgent in his habits, his bad habits, including when
• 52:54
  a drunk man wanders through a restaurant and accidentally spills something or other in Victoria's
• 53:00
  lap and Bannard's response is to punch him really hard several times, and Victoria
• 53:07
  calms him down, and then he says, oh, gosh, my bad,
• 53:09
  I'm so sorry. I have one flaw and it's that I do extreme
• 53:14
  violence. And then during the nighttime, Victoria gets a knock on the door.
• 53:20
  I guess they live in a hotel. What's this is the ship's creek.
• 53:23
  She's staying in the hotel, like she came into town to see him,
• 53:27
  and then she's like, okay, well I might as well crash at
• 53:30
  the hotel. Yeah. She gets a rap at the door, and some
• 53:35
  nameless man says, here's a note, and we don't know the contents of
• 53:38
  the note, but it leads her to go to Senator Bannard's room, and
• 53:42
  we learned that the note was forged and it was to set up this situation
• 53:45
  where both of them were in the same hotel room at three am and surprise,
• 53:50
  they get TMZD and someone takes a Daguero type from a ladder in a
• 53:54
  window and then he has defenestrated through the window through fourteen panes of glass,
• 54:00
  falls through the second floor moon roof of an Acura and um, it's clear
• 54:06
  that there is a plot against bannerd And what is obvious at this point is
• 54:10
  it must be Judge Daggett pause, clearly dislikes Bannard. Pause. We've gotten
• 54:19
  through, Like now we're at the first commercial break. Can I just say
• 54:22
  how fucking funny it is for someone to be surprise attacked with a photograph in
• 54:29
  the eighteen hundreds, like surprise proof and like like dust appear that like it
• 54:36
  was like, god, damn, I can't see. It's one of those
• 54:37
  cameras where he's like surprised and he's supposed to catch them in the act,
• 54:42
  but because of the camera, they have to stay there for fourteen minutes.
• 54:45
  It's like someone was surprised and then painted him. It's so weird because because
• 54:52
  like they have a very long conversation, uh, where Victoria comes to the
• 54:58
  room and it's like, hey, I got your note, Is everything okay?
• 55:00
  And Dagg it's like I didn't write you a note And that should have
• 55:02
  been the end of the Bannard Bannard says, I didn't write the bannerd says,
• 55:06
  I didn't write a note, and that should have been the end of
• 55:08
  the conversation. But they have to sit there and talk for a couple of
• 55:10
  minutes like, oh, that's weird. Oh, but we should probably get
• 55:14
  out for you safety. Well, I'm gonna be fine, And they have
• 55:15
  to do that because somewhere in the doorframe a guy is liked, this easel
• 55:20
  won't this leg won't come out of the thatch hold on. Okay, let
• 55:24
  me focus this in and okay, I'm ready surprised. He's climbing. He's
• 55:30
  climbing a ladder outside of the window with all of his gear, and if
• 55:34
  he fucks this up, he's going to fall down that ladder and smash all
• 55:37
  of his gear, which I'm sure it costs a lot of money. That's
• 55:40
  his whole livelihood, and this whole plan falls to shit, and all that
• 55:45
  scene would just be Victoria consoling Senator Bannard and from out of the room,
• 55:51
  fuck and that would have been the whole thing. And that's not what happened.
• 55:58
  But they do get a photo taken of them. He also exactly he
• 56:00
  has to wait for like the the only moment where they make physical contact,
• 56:06
  which is what like he's just kind of like helping her up, Like she's
• 56:09
  like, all right, help me out of bed, and she he like
• 56:12
  grabs her arm and then he's like ha you you're touching ha ha click the
• 56:16
  bannered. Bannered receives of the photo with beautiful handwriting and it says, withdraw
• 56:24
  from the race. Yeah, so they send they send him a threat.
• 56:28
  It's a it's a threatening letter, and it's like, guess what we're gonna
• 56:30
  reveal this this thing? Yeah, the handwritten note says do you like me?
• 56:36
  And then it says why we're in? Yeah? That was cute.
• 56:40
  So that's where we are. I guess that's about the halfway points. And
• 56:44
  so that's the mark. Uh, that's the setup, right, and so
• 56:47
  Victoria has to wonder how to do this now. So Victoria and Banning and
• 56:54
  the boys Heath and Jared and Nick Tony's voice, Yeah yeah, the boys,
• 57:00
  Ethan, Jared and Nick. They got to sit there and be like,
• 57:02
  what are what are we gonna do? Jared doesn't do much in this
• 57:07
  episode, except where a lot of eyeliner I notice, Yeah, he's very
• 57:13
  clearly wearing eyeliner, right, is his whole role in the show to just
• 57:16
  be like Lesson, let's sit and wait and see how this whole thing sorts
• 57:21
  out? Is he just like the breaks of the show of like everybody's got
• 57:25
  a calm down. I was thinking about these characters, the Barclay Brothers in
• 57:31
  archetypes from comic books, and to me, Jared felt like a very neutral
• 57:39
  observer, you know, someone who just wanted to let the law work in
• 57:44
  the way that it needs to. He's not particularly heroic, but he is
• 57:47
  very smart. I was trying to think of who he is, Foggy Nelson.
• 57:52
  Maybe he's a Foggy Nelse like Wattu Like I was about to say,
• 57:57
  Adam. Is there any sort of compooky character that passively watches events and has
• 58:01
  some sort of doctrine against interference? Oh, the man thing, that's right.
• 58:07
  So Jared Barkley is the maccab a man thing, and he believes in
• 58:12
  law and order. Yeah, so at this point, But the reason why
• 58:15
  I brought this up is Nick really flies off the handle and he feels a
• 58:19
  little more rowdy, like a Hawkeye type or maybe an iron Man, a
• 58:22
  Tony Stark, whereas Heath to me, felt very Captain America. I like
• 58:27
  the dynamic. I really enjoy the dynamic between Heath and Nick when Nick says
• 58:31
  he's gonna get on his horse and dig up the photos and in Judge Daggett's
• 58:37
  office, and I think Nick's line was, you know, why don't you
• 58:43
  just stay here? And Heath says, what makes you think I was gonna
• 58:46
  go with you? And Nick's responds, because you don't trust me, That's
• 58:50
  why. And then they's like, god, dang it, you got me,
• 58:52
  Let's ride. And I just love that. I thought that was great.
• 58:55
  Did anyone else half expect Nick to get machine gunned to death at a
• 59:00
  toll booth like in The Godfather? Was he was given me? Real?
• 59:06
  Like that? My boy? They yeah, real, they massacred my boy.
• 59:12
  Well. Part part of the reason why it felt like that is that,
• 59:15
  like's, let's get back to that fucking bitch and leather jacket that Barbara
• 59:20
  Stanwick's wearing. She looks cool as fucking it, but also does she looks
• 59:23
  very much like she went to a Western store in nineteen sixty four. Yes,
• 59:29
  she's wearing the same jacket as Olivia Newton John at the end of grease,
• 59:34
  like, Yeah, everybody in here just looks like they went to a
• 59:37
  country Western store. They all looked like they came from a cracker barrel.
• 59:39
  That they came from a cracker barrel. Hoot nanny. The costume design on
• 59:44
  this is I'm being real nitpicky about the production here, but the costume design
• 59:49
  is very like it's it's it's annoying. It takes me out of it because
• 59:53
  I sit there and go, you are very clearly wearing nineteen sixties gear like
• 59:59
  this is ridicu. I had to sit there for a second. Sarah walked
• 1:00:01
  in and asked me, what year is this? Like? When does this
• 1:00:05
  take place? If a sixty year old woman went outside in that leather cowboy
• 1:00:09
  suit in Texas, she would be mummified instantly. That isity. That is
• 1:00:19
  very funny. But I'm gonna call agism. Victoria's timeless and I think she
• 1:00:24
  was born wearing that outfit quite frankly also, and I'm I'm loving all of
• 1:00:29
  her activities and this this episode was very interesting because I kept waiting for the
• 1:00:35
  other shoe to drop, and I thought, what was going to be the
• 1:00:38
  case. Is this was my expectation. I thought we would learn that a
• 1:00:43
  banner was actually behind all of this and was basically trying to frame Daggett by
• 1:00:47
  making it look like Daggett was playing dirty or something. I just was convinced
• 1:00:52
  that that was the case, and ultimately we learned that both of these guys
• 1:00:55
  are real d holes, and that's listen, I'm gonna kind of I'm going
• 1:01:02
  to do a defense of dagg It here. Okay, Daggett is behind the
• 1:01:07
  whole scheme, which is kind of it's the one weakness of the whole thing,
• 1:01:12
  where yeah, dagget they're like, it's yeah, it's very on the
• 1:01:15
  nose, but whatever. So Daggett commissioned these illicit photographs to discredit his opponent
• 1:01:22
  because the Senator's probably going to win. The senator's fucking lunatic, as he's
• 1:01:29
  proven over the course of this episode. And also the Senator is pushing for
• 1:01:35
  an irrigation system that he maintains is not very well thought out and will go
• 1:01:39
  over budget and bankrupt the state, which, like I would have to read
• 1:01:44
  the text of the bill, but based off of this guy's behavior, I
• 1:01:49
  am going to guess that he is not the best number cruncher so I would
• 1:01:54
  be a little dodgy about his accounting. So Daggett does what he has to
• 1:02:00
  do, which is play sketchy politics. Yeah, get this guy out of
• 1:02:04
  the race. You have to take him out of the race because he's too
• 1:02:06
  much of a risk for this this wonderful town. He's he's a fucking lunatic
• 1:02:10
  who has managed to cowboy charm his way into a Senate seat. Or undoubtedly
• 1:02:15
  he's going in and being like like just going into the state Senate, be
• 1:02:20
  like we should go to war with France. Let's do it. They gave
• 1:02:23
  us a dirty look. Let's fuck him up. Remember, just just let's
• 1:02:34
  all appreciate that the day this candidate arrived in town, the very same day,
• 1:02:39
  he kicked the ship out of a drunk I shouldn't say that out of
• 1:02:45
  a man struggling, a man who is a little intoxicated. Yeah, not
• 1:02:50
  even like a drunk, very apologetic man who was like he was grabbing,
• 1:02:55
  he was grabbing the lady's arm inappropriately. He was like, I'm so sorry.
• 1:03:00
  Let me let me make it up to you. I'm so sorry.
• 1:03:02
  And the senator was like, you past the ship and then clocked him.
• 1:03:07
  He was doing that great. Yeah, he really went hell razor on him,
• 1:03:09
  which was weird. He flayed his skin off, and I was like,
• 1:03:12
  whoa a lot. I want to get to something about this. I'm
• 1:03:15
  gonna skip ahead to the part where, no, we're trying to do this
• 1:03:20
  in sequence slowly. Yeah, there's a lot of talking. There's so much
• 1:03:23
  talking. There's a lot of talking. There's a lot of well, I'm
• 1:03:27
  gonna skip ahead to the part where the action kind of kicks back in,
• 1:03:30
  and that is where Banning goes and confronts dagg It Bannard. Bannard goes and
• 1:03:36
  kind of confronts dagg It and basically says, look, motherfucker, I know
• 1:03:39
  that you were behind this. I don't know how I'm gonna prove it,
• 1:03:45
  but I'm gonna. I don't care. I'm gonna kill you now. Like
• 1:03:46
  he just goes and straight up and says like, hey man, I'm gonna
• 1:03:51
  kill you. That's not a figure of speech. I'm going to kill you.
• 1:03:54
  We're gonna have a sick asshole, Judge Daggett, you want compromising photo
• 1:04:00
  of me than subscribe to my only fans like everybody else. Like he comes
• 1:04:03
  in and it says like we're gonna have a duel, and Dagget's like,
• 1:04:06
  nah, dude, come on, I'm not gonna fucking duel you. And
• 1:04:09
  he's like, all right, you can duel me or I can drag your
• 1:04:12
  ass out in the street and murder you. And Dagget's like, oh okay,
• 1:04:16
  And I'm at home going I don't think this man should be a senator.
• 1:04:20
  Yeah, And that's just it. Daggett is repeatedly saying, you want
• 1:04:28
  to solve everything with violence, and I was assuming the show was condemning that
• 1:04:34
  notion is I'm assuming that they're using Daggett as a vehicle to say we need
• 1:04:40
  to be more civilized than this, and I was astounded to learn that Daggett
• 1:04:45
  was playing dirty, which I guess, you know, neither here nor there.
• 1:04:47
  It's politics. You've got to do what you've got to do. But
• 1:04:50
  the show is clearly condemning Daggett for his behavior, and Daggett is ultimately thrown
• 1:04:56
  from a carriage and killed, and then Bannard says, well, we don't
• 1:05:00
  need to let the authorities get into this again being egregious, and everything works
• 1:05:05
  out in favor for Bannard and the Barclays, and so to me, I
• 1:05:10
  don't know if this was intentional or not, but it left me with a
• 1:05:13
  feeling of this show was very high intellect suddenly, where it say you you
• 1:05:18
  don't have favorites when it comes to the two party system. There it's both
• 1:05:23
  bad my friend and it really just comes down to who you have any social
• 1:05:27
  ties too. It's also it's also very succession like it feels like a precursor
• 1:05:30
  something like Succession, where it's just like, hey, just because they the
• 1:05:34
  protagonist, don't make him the good guys. Yeah, our Game of Thrones,
• 1:05:39
  right, this gray morality, which is something you skipped a couple of
• 1:05:43
  steps there at them. So I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna walk us
• 1:05:45
  through this. And Dan, I feel like you got something here, but
• 1:05:47
  I'm gonna walk us through what happened is there? So, uh, dagg
• 1:05:50
  It and Bannard do like meet up at the edge of town or out in
• 1:05:57
  the woods, but they don't have a duel. Dagget's just like, you
• 1:06:00
  know what, fuck this, I'm gone, You're never getting these these pictures
• 1:06:04
  from me. And they have a fight, and they have a fight on
• 1:06:06
  top of a carriage, Daggett is thrown from the carriage. Victoria is there.
• 1:06:13
  Victoria witnesses the whole thing. I think, yeah, look and find
• 1:06:16
  this hell in that jacket. And she witnesses it. I think she came
• 1:06:19
  out to try to stop it, but she witnesses it, and she sees
• 1:06:26
  that Daggett, after being thrown from the carriage, is dead. And for
• 1:06:30
  some reason, Banning is like, oh man, it's really bad that this
• 1:06:32
  guy that I was going to murder is dead. I'm very confused at his
• 1:06:39
  response here, like what was he gonna do because his plan was to kill
• 1:06:42
  this guy, But when the guy is actually dead, he's like, oh
• 1:06:45
  no, and he's like okay. So the way it's it's solved is basically,
• 1:06:51
  if we can prove that Daggett was blackmailing you, it's justified. Then
• 1:06:57
  they'll believe her testimony that this was accidental and everything's fine, yea, And
• 1:07:03
  to which I would say, under the even under the best of circumstances,
• 1:07:08
  this was premeditated assault followed by I followed by involuntary manslaughter. So like,
• 1:07:16
  and let's let's remember here, Jared is a lawyer, Like, they can't
• 1:07:20
  they say it very often. Jared is a lawyer, all right. They
• 1:07:25
  go back and report all of these events to Jared, and his head twists
• 1:07:28
  around. She degrees like the Exorcist. And you would think at this point
• 1:07:32
  you would call the fucking lawyer that is your son. But no, Jared
• 1:07:35
  doesn't do dick. Jared doesn't show up until the last scene. Like look
• 1:07:41
  at this point, Jared's just like you motherfuckers aren't gonna listen to me anyway,
• 1:07:45
  That's true. So I'm just gonna go get drunk like fuck all you
• 1:07:48
  guys have fun solving it with with cowboy nohow, I'll be over here knowing
• 1:07:55
  the fucking laws. So I mean, let's let's break let's break down the
• 1:07:58
  case here, which is okay, so you went, you met your opponent
• 1:08:05
  out in the woods alone at the edge of town, like by yourself.
• 1:08:10
  Why why were you there in the first place? Okay? Now why was
• 1:08:14
  he in the carriage? Okay? Now why was he standing up in the
• 1:08:17
  carriage? Okay, Now what I'm gonna I'm gonna have it. Let me
• 1:08:21
  interject this is going to sound like a joke, but but cowboy law right,
• 1:08:27
  like cowboy cowboy rules, and you know this. This is a cowboy
• 1:08:31
  show. We do cowboy things. So I feel like it's just not it
• 1:08:35
  doesn't carry the weight where this stakes, but that it would in an I
• 1:08:41
  feel like I feel like the whole thing. They feel like the whole reason
• 1:08:44
  for this show, the whole like reason you have Jared as a character is
• 1:08:48
  because it's it's the man who shot Liberty Valance, right, It's the death
• 1:08:53
  of the Old West. It's those ways are going away and now there's a
• 1:08:57
  more civilized time. The West is becoming tame. So that's that's where the
• 1:09:00
  conflict arises between Nick and Jared his brothers, and that's like the main theme
• 1:09:03
  of this So you have to figure there is some sense of law semblance of
• 1:09:09
  law in here. Sure. But then in this episode, the dying Old
• 1:09:14
  West rises from the grave and a Camaro and it's like, I'll never die
• 1:09:20
  Cowboy justice forever. Whoa right? And then we have one loose thread and
• 1:09:26
  Victoria rides to a different town to beat up a photographer and honestly, I
• 1:09:32
  mean power to her, this man. You know, I took a photograph
• 1:09:36
  of her without her consent and she looks Feinn and it's great. I love
• 1:09:42
  I want to be clear here. She beats the shit out of this guy,
• 1:09:47
  really does, scratches his face up to where he's bleeding all the way
• 1:09:50
  down. She throws uh like photo developer fluid in his face, in his
• 1:09:57
  eyes, does she she? In her defense, he is trying to strangle
• 1:10:02
  her to death with a length of rope the entire time just doing a beat
• 1:10:08
  down. It is a gnarly fight. Like no. She basically comes in
• 1:10:13
  and it's like, hey, you confess to the conspiracy that you have been
• 1:10:16
  in on it, and he goes no, and he tries to run away,
• 1:10:20
  and then they have a very long fight and she do you, guys
• 1:10:25
  ever watch professional wrestling? Did you ever watch watch she went in. She
• 1:10:30
  went in there and climbed a turnbuckle and set up and did a swanton.
• 1:10:35
  Yeah, she just demolished. She she she pads off and throws him into
• 1:10:40
  the audience. She didn't. She looked right at the camera and did the
• 1:10:43
  people's eyebrow. She gave him a stunner, She gave him the pedigree,
• 1:10:47
  She did the Rakishi move, she did all of the fish was a little
• 1:10:54
  yeah, she did. She did suck it. If you ain't down with
• 1:10:57
  that she said, my name is the R, to the O, to
• 1:10:59
  the A, to the D D, to the to the double G,
• 1:11:00
  the road Dog Jesse James. She identified herself as a different person. It
• 1:11:05
  was confusing and she was It was pure bloodlust and I liked watching her beat
• 1:11:10
  that guy down. And I also liked this stylization of the fight when they
• 1:11:15
  were in the development develops. Yeah. Yeah, at one point in time
• 1:11:20
  they break from the technicolor world they go into the developing room, so there's
• 1:11:24
  like a red cellophane film over everything, which made the fight look even more
• 1:11:29
  brutal. Uh. Yeah, it was. This episode fucking rocks, like
• 1:11:33
  the fight from kill Bill where it goes through different cinematic styles, but it's
• 1:11:39
  just one old lady beating the shit out of a tubby guy. Yeah.
• 1:11:43
  Um, this episode rocks. And I have to say it's strange to me
• 1:11:47
  that I chose this randomly from a list of the worst purported episodes of Big
• 1:11:54
  Valley, because if this is one of the worst, I mean, bring
• 1:11:58
  it on. And to be clear, like the worst here Jess means it
• 1:12:01
  has one of the lower IMDb ratings, And even then it's like, okay,
• 1:12:05
  that's the metric. Yeah, that's that's the metrics that that particular site
• 1:12:08
  uses that we were on. No, okay, I'm going to estimate.
• 1:12:13
  I mean, I guess that the reason it's ranked the lowest is probably why
• 1:12:17
  we like it, because I feel like the people that are ranking these things
• 1:12:20
  are like more land discussions. I want to see the deed. You're not
• 1:12:28
  talking about railroads enough? Okay, Yeah, the most the most popular episode
• 1:12:32
  of Big Valley is just a ZBA meeting. Yeah. I'm looking at the
• 1:12:38
  list of the worst episodes of Big Valley and tell me you don't want to
• 1:12:42
  see season three episode fourteen, titled Journey into Violence. Hell, yes,
• 1:12:51
  especially because I know that this show fucking means it. Yeah, this show.
• 1:12:57
  Tell me you don't want to watch season three episode twenty for Devil's Masquerade,
• 1:13:01
  or season two episode nine, or I'm sorry, season four episode sixteen,
• 1:13:06
  the twenty five Graves of Midas fuck that could come. Alright, alright,
• 1:13:13
  alright, alright, So this is a good opportunity for us to turn
• 1:13:15
  this. Adam, your dad loves this show. Your mom hates this show
• 1:13:20
  on a scale of mister Teterris to missus Teterris. Yeah, where are you
• 1:13:25
  falling on this. Oh, it's a mister Tetterris out of ten Buster.
• 1:13:30
  I've found myself really enjoying my time. I was excited that my fiance was
• 1:13:34
  going to come home and walk in on me watching a cowboy drama from the
• 1:13:40
  sixties. I've always dreamt of being my dad, and it's happening in reality,
• 1:13:45
  and I look, I think, I really do have a regret that
• 1:13:51
  I didn't access this show with my dad earlier, because maybe I just wasn't
• 1:13:57
  mature enough or wouldn't appreciate it enough. But I spend a lot of time
• 1:14:01
  during the past couple of years in Quarantine, rewatching every single Godzilla movie from
• 1:14:08
  nineteen fifty four to present, the last live action film coming out in twenty
• 1:14:13
  sixteen. I spent a lot of time in the sixties and seventies, specifically
• 1:14:16
  watching my favorite era of Godzilla movies. Hey say, and I think it
• 1:14:21
  has turned my palette into such a way that I can appreciate things from a
• 1:14:31
  certain era. Now. Of course those are Japanese Tokosatsu film, so it's
• 1:14:34
  it's totally different. But I don't know, I don't know. Maybe I
• 1:14:38
  wasn't ready for a big valley before, but I'm ready now, I'm here.
• 1:14:45
  I want to be a Barkley. I want to be a Bastard son.
• 1:14:49
  I want Thomas Barkley to be my dad. I'm gonna give I'm gonna
• 1:14:54
  cut child Adam some slack because this is very much a show for people who
• 1:14:59
  are over there. Yea. That's like if you showed this to me as
• 1:15:02
  a child, it would be like showing across to a vampire. It is
• 1:15:08
  also a middle finger to like millennials. And because this is not a be
• 1:15:13
  on your phone show, this is a sin and fucking watch and pay attention
• 1:15:16
  to what's going on show. Uh yeah, So, Adam, why do
• 1:15:20
  you think your dad likes this so much? And why do you think your
• 1:15:24
  mom doesn't like it? My dad loves westerns. My my dad really loves
• 1:15:31
  John Wayne. And it seems obvious to me that John Wayne's whole thing,
• 1:15:39
  the whole ufra, the man, the concept, the mood. This is
• 1:15:45
  the show of that. This is the serialized version of of good cowboys versus
• 1:15:50
  bad cowboys. And to me, this is more morally complex than I expected
• 1:15:56
  it to be. I think, you know, my dad was born ring
• 1:16:00
  a time when cowboys were just a really big concept in media, and it's
• 1:16:04
  just obvious, like, you know, how why was I into Power Rangers?
• 1:16:08
  I don't know. I got sat in front of it and it just
• 1:16:11
  rocks. Man. So I think it's probably the same reasons, but perhaps
• 1:16:15
  my father has nostalgia tied to it, and uh, I think it's totally
• 1:16:19
  understandable, by a counterpoint, why my mom can't deal because it's a lot
• 1:16:25
  of conversations about land laws and if you're not looking for the fun, you
• 1:16:30
  know, he's talking to his horse sweetly and I'm here for that, then
• 1:16:34
  you're getting nothing from this except for maybe fashion from Victoria. So it's you
• 1:16:41
  know, it's it's a it's a guy's drama. And I don't know what
• 1:16:45
  else there is to say about it, but it's clearly not made for Mi
• 1:16:48
  Madre. But I get it. I totally understand where my dad isn't,
• 1:16:51
  you know. It's it's also funny to me, like this is when I
• 1:16:55
  talked to my dad about TV shows and I was like, what what you
• 1:16:58
  what were you into? What did you want? The kid? And like
• 1:17:00
  why'd you like sporns? My dad? My dad actually did like the Osbornes.
• 1:17:03
  But because also my Dad's like an old metal head. Uh okay um
• 1:17:11
  and uh but you know, I asked my dad about it and he said,
• 1:17:15
  you know, what did I watch as a kid? Whatever was fucking
• 1:17:17
  on? We didn't have choices, you know, the shows you watched?
• 1:17:21
  What was there? You know? So uh that was part of that conversation.
• 1:17:28
  Thanks Dad, real helpful. Now he was actually really good about it.
• 1:17:30
  Hey Dad, what did you like to watch? Marty Riley read Jesus
• 1:17:39
  Christ? Marty? Have you have you heard of this porn up thing?
• 1:17:42
  I gotta tell you it's a real hoop. Have you ever seen the porn
• 1:17:45
  genre? Man desecrates Tombstone as sex with sister plus come shot, Marty.
• 1:17:55
  It just like, Marty, need to tap to you urgently. Give me
• 1:18:00
  a call, all right? Another question, who's your favorite Barkley bro?
• 1:18:09
  I'm a I'm a Heath stand personally, you see that for me? I
• 1:18:14
  really like Nick, but I find I find Nick simple. His his reckless
• 1:18:17
  whims are simple, and I think I could get tired of him being a
• 1:18:20
  dummy. And I also found that Jared was too removed off situation. Now.
• 1:18:27
  In the first episode that we watched Palms of Glory, I don't know
• 1:18:30
  enough about Heath to understand, and I said I couldn't get a beat on
• 1:18:33
  him. And in the second episode he appeared just infrequently enough for me to
• 1:18:39
  like the dynamic but not get tired. So I feel like the mystique stays
• 1:18:45
  and I want to know more about Heath. I like like the Lee Majors
• 1:18:51
  is what never in in the credits, even into the third season, are
• 1:19:00
  like Richard Long as Jared Barkley, Peter Breck as Nick Barkley, Lee Majors
• 1:19:05
  as Heath. They very specifically do not give him the Barkley name, like,
• 1:19:15
  well, let's be his last name is Cliff. Yes, his name
• 1:19:18
  is Heath Cliff. He terrorizes the neighborhood and uh sometimes he wears a helmet
• 1:19:27
  that says ham on it and U Marty's Comics Corner. So Heath Cliff has
• 1:19:32
  turned into a donna Is Nightmare, is instantly going toe to toe with what
• 1:19:40
  is it? Garbage ape garbage ape. Yes, Heath Cliff is so strange
• 1:19:44
  and I love it. I love it. Sorry, Dan, I was
• 1:19:46
  gonna do a Wodering Heights joke, but it's so far back. It's do
• 1:19:53
  I look for the best episodes of Big Valley and Uh. Season three episode
• 1:19:58
  eleven is named explode Osian two. Yes, that ship is a Metallica song
• 1:20:06
  in inferring that there is an explosion one at least sorry. Season three episode
• 1:20:13
  eight, The Disappearance Metallica song. Season three episode twenty two, rim Fire,
• 1:20:18
  This shit rocks. Uh. I like the show. I'm sorry.
• 1:20:24
  Season one, episode twelve, Night of the Wolf, don't mind if I
• 1:20:28
  do. I'm gonna watch more Big Valley. That's gonna be my thing.
• 1:20:32
  Now. I'm gonna see if I can find episodes in a better quality,
• 1:20:35
  because right I we're just watching them my pretty rough. I wanted to say
• 1:20:39
  something that I discovered is that in twenty ten there was a plan to do
• 1:20:44
  a cinematic reboot of The Big Value starring Susan Sarandon as Victoria. But that
• 1:20:53
  film, yeah, I can see it now, and I think now she's
• 1:20:56
  got a very similar like monarch of a Dynasty role. Actually, wait,
• 1:21:00
  no, isn't like her new TV show literally called Monarch something like that.
• 1:21:04
  I can't keep track of shows. How there's like Nashville Monarch, Matriarch Kingdom.
• 1:21:14
  But like, the film was shelved after the director that was attached was
• 1:21:20
  indicted in a forty seven no sorry, four point seven million dollars tax fraud
• 1:21:26
  case. Uh and it was facing up to thirty two years in prison.
• 1:21:30
  So that's the last time that that was like, Oh man, oops,
• 1:21:34
  I'm I would take it. I want it. I would want a kind
• 1:21:38
  of I don't know what I would want from it. Um, maybe a
• 1:21:41
  twenty one Jump Street revival. You know what, I think. I think
• 1:21:44
  you got to leave this one alone because I think one of the things that
• 1:21:46
  makes it appealing and also one of the things that makes it rough to watch
• 1:21:50
  is the very sixties. Is this of it, right? Is the like
• 1:21:57
  it's rough, It is surprisingly violent. It is you can't do this with
• 1:22:02
  a modern understanding of cowboys like you. You have to be in that sort
• 1:22:08
  of a willful ignorance. Yeah, you have to buy into the mythology.
• 1:22:16
  And this would a modern remake would try probably successfully to deconstruct the mythology.
• 1:22:23
  But if we're being honest and I've all it would be so overdone though,
• 1:22:28
  it would just be like constantly and if we're being on a special episode.
• 1:22:32
  I've watched a lot of westerns, right, and westerns have been deconstructing themselves
• 1:22:38
  since about nineteen fifty eight, Like we've torn it apart from pretty much from
• 1:22:42
  what I thought was basically every angle and tell power of the Dog, which
• 1:22:45
  was just like, hey man, we haven't talked about how gay this is
• 1:22:48
  enough yet. I haven't talked about the gainess of all this yet. Yeah
• 1:22:53
  at that point, yeah, well, um, I feel like we're at
• 1:22:57
  a consensus. But did both of you boys enjoy why? I think I
• 1:23:00
  talked my way into liking the Big value over Yeah, I was. I
• 1:23:05
  texted Marty so, um, we had an abandoned uh one of these we
• 1:23:12
  uh we we were were going to do because Marty's sister selfishly got COVID God
• 1:23:16
  damn. Yeah. And as a result, I had to watch two episodes
• 1:23:23
  of Doctor Quinn Medicine Woman, which board spoilers for if we board the Living
• 1:23:29
  piss Out of successfully say sucks. I texted Marty during the first episode,
• 1:23:35
  was like, I cannot believe you made me watch another fucking Cowboys show.
• 1:23:41
  That's just people grumbling about land rights. Why are you doing this? And
• 1:23:45
  then uh, Marty was like, listen, we'll probably get something out of
• 1:23:48
  it, and I text the second I was like, oh wait, no,
• 1:23:50
  we're good. Yeah, sorry, this shit slaps Yeah. I'm sorry
• 1:23:55
  that first one is all set up and maybe we should have skipped it entirely
• 1:23:59
  because I wouldn't have known who Heath was and why he's the best. I'm
• 1:24:03
  glad I understand this objectively, you know, I'm on board. I like
• 1:24:08
  I like Big Valley. I think we both agree that like this shit slaps
• 1:24:13
  yeah. To circle back to the original question, though, Heath is objectively
• 1:24:16
  the best one and if he's not your favorite, you're a fool. Yeah,
• 1:24:20
  and the only only other answer could be Victoria. As far as i'm
• 1:24:25
  it's like if you ask what your favorite Power Ranger is and you don't say
• 1:24:28
  green, you're an idiots. Tommy, I'm a billy, I was.
• 1:24:34
  But the thing is is you had to choose by, you know, like
• 1:24:36
  your favorite color, and often you didn't really get to choose. You just
• 1:24:40
  had to pick the one that was your favorite color. And everybody like Tommy,
• 1:24:44
  there's too much of a crowd around Tommy. You know what I mean?
• 1:24:45
  So you know what you know what your crowd around Tommy for good?
• 1:24:49
  Hang on, Hang on a second, Hang on a second. Everybody loves
• 1:24:53
  Tommy. But just as I get older and I find myself understanding Cyclops a
• 1:24:59
  lot more, sure, I also, as I get older, find myself
• 1:25:02
  understanding Jason a lot more. Cyclops of the crew. Right, Tommy,
• 1:25:08
  he got that that wolverine energy. Everybody loves Tommy Jason. Jason is doing
• 1:25:15
  what he fucking has to do. He sure? Did you guys think it
• 1:25:18
  was weird that the Senator Bannard said that he wanted to build a reservoir in
• 1:25:24
  stocked in so he could play a magic dagger flute and draw a zword from
• 1:25:30
  that said reservoir. And I just thought it was weird that the only thing
• 1:25:33
  that anybody critiqued was Daggett said it would cost too much money. Like we
• 1:25:39
  you know, we looked at it right in the face and said it would
• 1:25:41
  just be too expensive. If elected, I will I will bring about ivan
• 1:25:45
  Ouze's return. I am making that promise to you here now. I thought
• 1:25:51
  there were no children in Stockton from what I could tell, so OOZ wouldn't
• 1:25:55
  really stand at cham Yeah, you would just be a just a purple bit.
• 1:25:59
  I thought it was very weird when the ghost of Thomas Barkley appeared in
• 1:26:02
  a giant tube and insisted that he needed four cowboy brothers with attitude. I
• 1:26:09
  thought that was weird. I thought it was weird that he's specified he needed
• 1:26:11
  them with attitude. But Adam Terris, thank you for being on the show.
• 1:26:15
  God damn it, Adam, Adam, thanks for showing up on the
• 1:26:16
  show again. Yet anything you want to plug? You want to tell everybody
• 1:26:19
  where to find your socials and what to do with your things. Yes,
• 1:26:23
  thank you very much for having me on the show. It really is a
• 1:26:26
  delight to be on this show. I love the show. I love that
• 1:26:29
  you guys are committed to this pursuit in our expanding beyond Mayberry. Congratulations to
• 1:26:34
  the both of you. I'll take it. Well, come on, please
• 1:26:40
  you move out of Mayberry. I think that's great. I think that is
• 1:26:44
  we are moving back. It's basically a rum springer, Okay, we can
• 1:26:50
  put it like that. I have a podcast. It's called Man Thing Minute.
• 1:26:55
  It's a comedy podcast in which I invite funny folks such as yourselves to
• 1:27:00
  join me in reading one single issue of Marvel's maccab Man Thing who I'm So
• 1:27:04
  excited is now included in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He appeared as a costar
• 1:27:10
  in Werewolf by Night, which was delightful, by the way, And my
• 1:27:14
  goal was to make that character relevant and have fun and connect to that character's
• 1:27:17
  world to other people's worlds. And I feel like now I don't need to
• 1:27:20
  do that because the MCU done did it right. But the show's funny and
• 1:27:26
  I enjoy it a lot. And would would you guys be up for being
• 1:27:30
  on the show? Yeah? Always, Yeah, that'd be great, Okay,
• 1:27:36
  terrific, So we'll do that. You can find man Thing minute um
• 1:27:40
  on anchor dot FM slash man Thing minute, where you can follow me on
• 1:27:45
  Twitter where I post about man Thing minute. Adam teterris At Adam Teterris t
• 1:27:51
  E t e r U s Adam, I know what you mean about not
• 1:27:58
  really sure what you what to do now because the mc brought it in.
• 1:28:00
  I know what you mean. Uh. I was really surprised when Barney Fife
• 1:28:05
  was revealed to be the main villain of Black Adam in the third act.
• 1:28:09
  It was it was a shocker. Whoa that really changes the access of power
• 1:28:14
  in the DC. Hierarchy of power has shifted and Barney Fife is at the
• 1:28:21
  top. They found a lot of plot holes with it. I love to
• 1:28:29
  see that. Actually, Barney Fife and um doing the Rock Johnson, Sure,
• 1:28:33
  I mean the Rock is absolutely the kind of guy that would appear in
• 1:28:36
  like a like a Scooby Doo like reb The Rock is adolutely solved mysteries with
• 1:28:41
  Scooby Doo. So as don nonsence happened as long as Scooby Doo was shilling
• 1:28:46
  Taramana tequila than sure, absolutely, as always you can get it. Scooby
• 1:28:54
  is a drunk. I'm sick that people haven't said it before, but he's
• 1:28:57
  a drunk, right because he's not in the cartoons anymore. Yeah, do
• 1:29:02
  you think that it's a coincidence that he's not there. He's got a problem,
• 1:29:05
  he's in rehabit. No one's talking about it. They're just moving on
• 1:29:10
  with the show. And it's only Tarremana, which is fucked up. He
• 1:29:15
  mixes it with Zoa, the fastest growing energy drink, which is also owned
• 1:29:18
  by Dwayne Johnson, and it's just fucked up. The Scooby only hits the
• 1:29:23
  Zoa Taramana. The number of cartoon characters that Dwayne the Rock Johnson has corrupted
• 1:29:29
  and driven to alcoholism is something that we are not talking about. I didn't
• 1:29:33
  think it was as bad as when he got Fred Flintstone to join the XFL.
• 1:29:39
  I thought that was worse. Whoa is Fred Flintstone? Where the bowling
• 1:29:45
  helmet? That like furry bone helmet. That's bad is that every time he
• 1:29:49
  gets a concussion from playing football, he thinks he's a different guy. And
• 1:29:53
  then they trade him to another team and the bad and they think he's an
• 1:30:00
  art thief. He hits hits again, he thinks he's a race car driver.
• 1:30:03
  I mean, I would watch him. How do you think that the
• 1:30:08
  Dolphins are gonna get a first round pick for Tua? That's their whole plan.
• 1:30:12
  That's their whole plan. They're gonna just make him think he's a different
• 1:30:15
  guy. And like, guess what your name is, Gardner Minshew, you
• 1:30:17
  are the second spring quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. Goodbye. I like the
• 1:30:23
  idea that Fred Flintstone was never a Neander tall at all. He was just
• 1:30:27
  suffering from CTE. As always, keep it keep this show running, Keep
• 1:30:33
  the show running. It's gonna take him like twelve hours to edit this because
• 1:30:39
  there's so much cross talk. They call me the Forrest Gump of Joker.
• 1:30:44
  Yo, you get you guys excited for the Indian Forest gumpany make there?
• 1:30:50
  All right? Take now we need to take this off the pot. There
• 1:30:54
  there is there is an Indian Indian there's an Indian Bollywood remake of Forrest Gump
• 1:30:59
  that is in cinemas right now. It starts the Guy from Three Idiots,
• 1:31:03
  which is a great movie. Uh well, now I'm excited. I am.
• 1:31:06
  I am so psyched to see that. It looks bizarre as hell.
• 1:31:11
  H The idea that you are taking Forrest Gump, a movie that's like very
• 1:31:15
  clearly is about America in a very specific time period and taking it making it
• 1:31:20
  not America and not that time period looks great, looks fantastic. All right,
• 1:31:27
  I'm into The Bollywood version of Bruce Almighty was absolutely awesome because his whole
• 1:31:31
  thing was he was like, I'm God, Now you know what, God,
• 1:31:34
  you didn't fight nearly enough crime? Is that a real thing? Basically
• 1:31:38
  becomes yeah, yeah, theater when it came out and he uses his godpowers
• 1:31:44
  to do martial arts and stop bank robber here. That actually sounds really sick.
• 1:31:46
  And now I don't know if we can put in request. But I
• 1:31:48
  would like to see a Bollywood don't mess with the Zohan if we could get
• 1:31:54
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• 1:31:59
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• 1:32:50
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  Tedder for joining us. That's Dan Ludwig. Do I have a sign off
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  for this one? Uh? Your mother and I are very disappointed in you.
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  Sure, yeah, that's what that was