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Tammy Hembrow Deep Dive Episode 4: Tammy & Matt Zukowski: Third Times a Charm? · Outspoken the Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough is Australia's most talked about influencer. At 19,
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  Speaker 1: she made it big on social media when she shared
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  Speaker 1: her fitness journey whilst pregnant. This is my first vlog again,
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  Speaker 1: so it might be a little bad. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's going to be boring or what, but I
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  Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Tammy's life is far from boring. The fitness influencer and
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  Speaker 2: her family are Australia's answer to the Kardashians. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: she's even been involved in a few Kardashian scandals herself.
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  Speaker 1: A model explains why she had to leave Kylie Jenner's
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles birthday party in a stretcher. By sharing her
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  Speaker 1: life online, Tammy has attracted over 20 million followers and
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  Speaker 1: built an empire worth $ 50 million.
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  Speaker 2: What has really kept her followers glued are her romantic relationships.
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  Speaker 2: Over the last 10 years, the internet has borne witness
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  Speaker 2: to three engagements, three children, one epic wedding and now
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  Speaker 2: a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: We are journalists, Amy and Kate Torber, and in this
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  Speaker 1: special Outspoken series, we explore the real story behind the
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  Speaker 1: rise of Tammy Hembrough.
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  Speaker 2: Now, where we last left you, things were officially over
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  Speaker 2: between Tammy Hembrough and Matt Paul. And the end of
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  Speaker 2: the last episode, we promised to take you back to
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  Speaker 2: the start of Tammy's brief but controversial love story with
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  Speaker 2: Matt Sikowsky. So that's where we're going to begin today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm most excited for this part of the Tammy story,
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  Speaker 1: Matt 2.0.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when we originally started planning this series back in March,
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  Speaker 2: I always thought it was going to be four parts.
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  Speaker 2: But Matt Zukowski and Tammy Hembrough, they just keep giving.
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  Speaker 2: This is the fourth episode, but we will be having
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  Speaker 2: an episode next week. Number five will be the final one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's take things back to the start. So on
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  Speaker 1: the 3rd of September, 2023, Tammy was photographed outside a
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  Speaker 1: hotel with former Love Island contestant Matt Zukowski. And this photograph,
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  Speaker 1: it was taken by a fan and it was actually
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  Speaker 1: sent into an influencer watchdog account, Influencer Updates AU. I
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  Speaker 1: remember first seeing this photo and being like, there is
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  Speaker 1: no way she's kissing Matt Zecowski. Like, surely this is
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  Speaker 1: somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've been a longtime listener of Matt's podcast,
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  Speaker 2: Where's Your Head At? And I've listened to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of his stories about his past relationships. He'd only recently
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  Speaker 2: broken up with his girlfriend, Jen. And I was like, what? Like,
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  Speaker 2: no way. This matchup does not make sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was this really weird crossover between reality TV
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  Speaker 1: and the influencer world.
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  Speaker 2: Now, shortly after, the pair were spotted again, this time
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  Speaker 2: at Tammy's sister's skin clinic event. Now, I want to
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  Speaker 2: go into who Matt Sikowsky is. As mentioned, Matt rose
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  Speaker 2: to fame in 2019 after being runner-up on the second
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  Speaker 2: series of Love Island Australia. But before appearing on reality TV,
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  Speaker 2: he actually worked as an international model in London and Milan.
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  Speaker 2: He also was a professional wrestler, so he performed under
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  Speaker 2: the stage name Charlie Matthews. And according to Matt, his
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  Speaker 2: character was known for winning the genetic lottery.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting he was a wrestler before going on Love
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  Speaker 1: Island because normally men who appear on reality shows come
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  Speaker 1: off it and then they start up these big celebrity
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  Speaker 1: boxing matches against each other.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what would be great? If he did
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  Speaker 2: some celebrity wrestle-off between him, Rhys Hawkins, and Matt Poole,
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  Speaker 2: that would Would go viral.
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  Speaker 1: It would. It sounds very Jordan Simmy. Like maybe they
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  Speaker 1: could fight for the love of Tammy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God, that would absolutely go off on YouTube. Now,
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  Speaker 2: as for Matt's day job, he worked and still works
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  Speaker 2: at his father's pool company as a project manager. However,
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  Speaker 2: it was Matt's side hustle, his podcast, that led him
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  Speaker 2: to meet Tammy. So Matt hosts a podcast called Where's
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  Speaker 2: Your Head At? with his former Love Island co-star, Anna McAvoy.
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  Speaker 2: And in a bid to gain publicity leading into the launch,
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  Speaker 2: Matt and Anna pretended that they were dating. So they
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  Speaker 2: uploaded a video to TikTok where they looked like they
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  Speaker 2: were about to kiss and wrote something coming soon. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Matt's ex-girlfriend, former Bachelor contestant Kira Maguire, wasn't thrilled about
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  Speaker 2: this publicity stunt. So they'd broken up just a few
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  Speaker 2: months earlier after dating for over a year. In terms
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  Speaker 2: of their dating timeline, They went official in July 2020,
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  Speaker 2: shortly after Kira left Bachelor in Paradise. But they'd been
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  Speaker 2: dating for a few months prior. And there was quite
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  Speaker 2: a large age gap between them. So at the time,
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  Speaker 2: Matt was 25 and Kira was 34.
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  Speaker 1: We spoke about bizarre crossovers with Tammy and Matt. I
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  Speaker 1: think this was even weirder, seeing Matt from Love Island
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  Speaker 1: hook up with Kira from The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which made people question whether it was a PR relationship.
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  Speaker 1: This was peak COVID time. And I remember watching a
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  Speaker 1: lot of their content together. They were isolating at home.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe it was just one of those COVID relationships
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  Speaker 1: where they thought, oh, well, I can't actually go out
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  Speaker 1: and meet anyone. We're sort of in this together now.
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  Speaker 2: Now, in July 2021, off the back of Matt and
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  Speaker 2: Anna's video, Kira told the Daily Mail, they aren't dating.
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  Speaker 2: They are pretending to be together as they want to
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  Speaker 2: get exposure for some podcasts they are doing. I had
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  Speaker 2: to block them both on socials as it was really
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  Speaker 2: hurtful to watch. I expressed to both of them, especially Anna,
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  Speaker 2: who was supposed to be my friend, that this was hurtful,
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  Speaker 2: but she told me I shouldn't care and continue to
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  Speaker 2: do it. I guess people will do anything to get exposure,
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  Speaker 2: even if it hurts the people they are supposed to
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  Speaker 2: care about. It makes me really question both of their
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  Speaker 2: intentions for being in my life in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Now, off the back of Kira's comments, Matt told the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Mail, we don't want to put any labels on anything.
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  Speaker 1: We're just seeing where's our head at. It just reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of all those people that come off maths now
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  Speaker 1: that are pretending that they're in relationships. And I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe people are buying it. You're just like, they're clearly not.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to get, they're trying to extend their 15
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  Speaker 1: minutes of fame.
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  Speaker 2: Well, after launching the podcast, Matt backtracked telling the Daily Mail, look,
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  Speaker 2: we've just been hanging out a lot and people write
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  Speaker 2: their own narratives. So we just didn't comment. We didn't
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  Speaker 2: lead anyone on. We literally hung out and put Instagram
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  Speaker 2: stories up together And the public wrote their own narrative.
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  Speaker 1: No, they weren't misleading anybody, but they were happy with
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  Speaker 1: the publicity they were getting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Anna also gave an interview. So when asked
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  Speaker 2: about the podcast, she said, when I was on Love Island,
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  Speaker 2: I was like the go-to advice girl. Matt gets himself
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: into bad situations and I try and give him the
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  Speaker 2: best advice possible. So we thought it would be a
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  Speaker 2: good dynamic. Now, the strategy appeared to work because by 2023,
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  Speaker 2: the podcast had hit 1 million downloads and Matt and
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  Speaker 2: Anna did a live show tour to celebrate the milestones.
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  Speaker 2: So while planning for the live show, Matt claims a
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  Speaker 2: PR manager for his podcast mentioned that Tammy Hembrough was
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  Speaker 2: on the invite list. And according to Matt, he didn't
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  Speaker 2: know who she was. So he took it upon himself
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  Speaker 2: to look her up. And he said his first reaction
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  Speaker 2: upon seeing Tammy was, fuck, she looks all right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was actually journalist Mika Pistetto who debunked Matt's
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  Speaker 1: claims that he didn't know who Tammy Hembrough was. So
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: in an episode of So Dramatic in October 2024, Megan
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  Speaker 1: dug up an old podcast interview where Matt and Anna
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  Speaker 1: had interviewed Chase Damore. And during the interview, they discussed
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  Speaker 1: in length Chase's strategic attempt to date Tammy by sliding
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  Speaker 1: into her DMs. Let's throw to some of the clips.
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  Speaker 3: The main one I was trying to get, I was
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  Speaker 3: trying to holler at Tammy while I was over there
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  Speaker 3: because I saw whatever guy that she used to be
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  Speaker 3: with making out with another girl at the pavilion.
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  Speaker 4: And so me, I was just trying to do my
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  Speaker 4: honest due diligence.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, look, Tammy, like if he's cheating
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  Speaker 3: on you, like you need a shoulder to cry on.
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  Speaker 3: I know a really tall, good looking American boy that's
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  Speaker 3: here for the holiday.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Right with kids.
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  Speaker 4: Like, come on.
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  Speaker 5: Yep. So did she reply to the slide in?
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  Speaker 4: She just liked my message.
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  Speaker 1: And did you send her a voice note?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I sent her a voice note.
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  Speaker 1: And she liked it.
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  Speaker 4: She liked my message. I mean, you got to like,
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  Speaker 4: it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: She's one of our, like the most famous influencer we
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  Speaker 5: have here. Did you tell her in the voice note
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  Speaker 5: that you saw her ex Or her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're still together.
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  Speaker 3: I could play the voice note if you.
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  Speaker 4: Guys want to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Play the voice note you sent to Tammy Hembrough.
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  Speaker 4: That's a bold move though. Normally someone who passes on
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  Speaker 4: the message gets shot. Like they always shoot the message up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming this is where Matt got the idea to
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  Speaker 2: slide into Tammy's DMs and invite her to the live
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  Speaker 2: show because it was literally six months later.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be so awkward because he's obviously pretended to
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  Speaker 1: Tammy like, I have no idea who you are. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I just, you know, was inviting you to this event.
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  Speaker 1: And then this clip comes out. You'd probably be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: for fuck's sake. I know. Imagine trying to explain that. Now, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: back to the podcast live show planning meeting. Matt ended
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  Speaker 1: up DMing Tammy and he wrote to her, hey, there'll
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  Speaker 1: be a ticket on the door at the Brisbane show.
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  Speaker 1: And Tammy just double tapped the message, but didn't respond.
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  Speaker 1: I remember hearing an interview with Tammy and she was
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  Speaker 1: talking about the first message that Matt sent her. And
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  Speaker 1: she's like, I double tapped, but then I didn't hear
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  Speaker 1: from him. And I felt like saying, but You can't
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  Speaker 1: just double tap a message which has a question in it.
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  Speaker 1: Like what's he meant to, if someone just double tapped
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  Speaker 1: my message, I would take that as, oh, they're being polite.
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  Speaker 1: They're not interested. They don't want to talk to me.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair, she's got three kids. That's probably her
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  Speaker 2: way of responding to people. Like you've got to be
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  Speaker 2: quick and efficient.
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  Speaker 1: So is the love heart message the mum's equivalent of
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  Speaker 1: the dad's thumbs up?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the love heart is still nicer
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  Speaker 2: than the thumbs up. Anyway, Matt ended up double messaging
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  Speaker 2: Tammy and she did finally reply. And Matt spoke on
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  Speaker 2: his podcast about how he found it really hard to
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  Speaker 2: read Tammy's tone over message. So he ended up calling
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  Speaker 2: her and apparently they talked for hours and arranged a date.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about that strategy of him just
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  Speaker 1: giving Tammy a call? Do you like it? Or if
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  Speaker 1: you're in that situation, are you just thinking, just reply
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  Speaker 1: to my text, mate. I don't actually want to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: On the phone. In 2025, I don't think anyone wants
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  Speaker 2: to talk on the phone. I couldn't think of anything
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  Speaker 2: worse than some guy I've never met calling me and
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  Speaker 2: having to talk for hours. But I suppose it's also
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  Speaker 2: a sign that someone really likes you if they're willing
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  Speaker 2: to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, apparently Tammy thought that her meeting up with Matt
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  Speaker 1: was fate because his videos had been popping up on
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  Speaker 1: her TikTok for you page and she thought he was
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  Speaker 1: really cute.
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  Speaker 2: And as we spoke about last week, she possibly watched
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  Speaker 2: him on Love Island. Now, with Tammy based on the
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  Speaker 2: Gold Coast and Matt living in Melbourne, Matt flew to
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  Speaker 2: Tammy for their first date. And I think this is
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  Speaker 2: becoming more and more common thanks to dating apps like Raya.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: A couple of our friends have somehow got onto Raya
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  Speaker 2: and they're not celebrities. And they've mentioned that they've been
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: offered to be flown out interstate for dates before.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if we thought the phone call sounded keen, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: flying over from Melbourne to Gold Coast, that's next level.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know, did Matt pay for his own
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  Speaker 2: flights or did Tammy? Because Tammy, you know, she's worth
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  Speaker 2: $ 50 million. She's got a lot of coin. Matt was
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  Speaker 2: working for his dad's pool company, not quite the same
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  Speaker 2: amount of coin.
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  Speaker 1: And if you listen to his podcast, it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: Matt isn't the most generous person. It sounds like he's
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: actually a bit stingy on dates. But I think in
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  Speaker 1: this case, he would have paid for his own flights
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  Speaker 1: because he wanted to impress Tammy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hoping he paid for his own flight. Now, Matt
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  Speaker 2: recounted the story on his podcast of their first date.
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  Speaker 2: And he said that he had butterflies when he first
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  Speaker 2: saw Tammy. And also confirmed that they kissed on the
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  Speaker 2: first date. He said that Tammy was staring at him
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  Speaker 2: and he asked her what she was thinking. And she replied,
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  Speaker 2: you tell me what I'm thinking. And he said, does
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  Speaker 2: this mouth taste as good as it sounds? And she
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  Speaker 2: ended up laughing and they both went off separately to
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  Speaker 2: the toilet and met back up in the hallway and kissed.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those stories where probably lovely for you
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  Speaker 2: that was involved in it, not so lovely for people listening.
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  Speaker 2: Like it just made me feel, oh, yuck.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a real Love Island line as well,
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  Speaker 1: like real cringe.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Tammy and Matt were again spotted together hugging at
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  Speaker 2: the Where's Your Head At podcast live show in Sydney
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  Speaker 2: on the 22nd of September. And they made things Instagram
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  Speaker 2: official on the 27th of September together. appearing together at
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  Speaker 2: a premiere of a Stan original series in Sydney. So
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: Matt shared a photo dump with videos of the couple
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  Speaker 2: making out in front of the sunset at the beach,
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  Speaker 2: kissing in front of Australian landmarks, and even a video
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  Speaker 2: of Tammy getting a strike at bowling. And Matt, of course,
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  Speaker 2: also opened up about the relationship on his podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and despite the couple looking very smitten, Tammy's followers
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: weren't convinced. So Tammy received a lot of negative commentary
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: around the fact that she was moving on with a
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: new man so quickly after Matt Poole. I think there
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: was a lot of judgment from the public because of
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: the fact that Tammy had a young daughter. But interestingly,
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: that same judgment wasn't given to Matt Poole, who also
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: moved on quite quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of mum shaming dressed up
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  Speaker 2: as faux concern and also a lot of slut shaming
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  Speaker 2: going on because A lot of the comments complained that
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: they couldn't keep up with all the men that Tammy
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: was dating. To put this into perspective, it was the
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  Speaker 2: third man that she had publicly posted with in 10 years.
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  Speaker 1: It is really sexist. I mean, again, if you look
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  Speaker 1: at someone like Rhys Hawkins, he didn't cop the same
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  Speaker 1: commentary when he also has children with two different women
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  Speaker 1: and continues to date other people.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Tammy hit back at the trolls reiterating that she
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: had only been with three men and suggested that people
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: who were struggling to keep up with the three of
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: them needed help with their memory. She also stated that
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: people don't know why she ended her relationships. And the
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: wording was rather interesting as she essentially confirmed that she
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: was the one who broke up with Matt Paul and
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: also Reese Hawkins. Now, Tammy ended the video saying that
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: she hadn't planned to ever share her relationship online again,
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: but she couldn't help herself because She was so happy
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: and wanted to shout it from the rooftops. Now, it's
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: interesting she mentioned that because the months leading into this
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: relationship with Matt Sikowsky, she was very open about how
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: difficult it was to date as a single mum and
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: that she didn't want a relationship. And I think that
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: is what led to people being really confused and a
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: little bit worried for her that this relationship was moving
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: so quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And just a few weeks after making it Instagram official,
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: Tammy dropped a bomb at the White Fox Boutique 10th
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: birthday celebrations in L.A., So the White Fox social media
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: team were playing a game of pass the mic with
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: the influencers at the event and M Davies stitched Tammy
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: up saying this before passing the microphone to Tammy.
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  Speaker 5: And passing the mic to someone who got their boyfriend's
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: name tattooed on them after dating them for two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: It was a big night for Tammy with her ex
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  Speaker 2: Tiger also performing on stage at the event.
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  Speaker 4: Awkward.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Tammy ended up debuting her Matt tattoo on the
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: couple's first romantic getaway to the Maldives in late November 2023.
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  Speaker 2: And fans were quick to spot Matt's name inked on
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  Speaker 2: Tammy's inner thigh with a little love heart in a
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: photo dump she posted of the trip. However, there was
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: another photo that generated even more attention. So in one
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  Speaker 2: of the photos, Tammy was spotted sporting a mystery ring
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  Speaker 2: on her wedding finger, which sent her followers into a frenzy.
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  Speaker 2: Tammy's friend and fellow influencer, Em Davies, who stitched her
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  Speaker 2: up at the White Fox Boutique event, commented, I can't
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  Speaker 2: even see these pics without screaming.
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  Speaker 1: She then further fueled engagement speculation by uploading and quickly
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  Speaker 1: deleting a photo to her Instagram story wearing a massive
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: diamond ring. She also got a lot of people talking
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: after miming to this audio in a TikTok video. To
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: everyone who watches my life and gossips about it, don't
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: give up.
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  Speaker 2: Now, because this is an audio platform, I do need
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: to mention that during the TikTok, Matt joined Tammy at
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: the end of the video to indicate that he's part
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: of season two. Now, pap shots of the couple on
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: their way home from the Maldives threw fans off the
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: scent though. So someone snapped a sneaky photo of Tammy
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: and Matt queuing separately at the airport. And in the photo,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Tammy was standing ahead of Matt in the airport queue
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: with several people between them. So fans hypothesized that the
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: couple were fighting because they weren't standing together. And it
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: turns out the speculation could have possibly been true because
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Tammy opened up about their nightmare trip home from the Maldives.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: So to begin with, their flight was delayed. And once
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: they were in the air, their pilot made three attempts
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: to land the plane before diverting to another airport. They
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: then missed their connecting flights and sat around airports for
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: days waiting. Tammy even admitted on Instagram that she had a, quote,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: mental breakdown at the airport because she missed her kids
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: so much. And she said that she had major mum
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: guilt for being away from them for even longer. So
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: knowing all of these details, I can see how a
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: disagreement could have potentially broken out.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, 100%.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Well, once the couple arrived home, it was clear just
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: how serious their relationship was because Tammy shared a photo
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: of Matt, her three kids, and her dad, Mark, And
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: an anonymous source told Influencer Updates AU, they are engaged,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: just had my nails done next to Tammy on the
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: golf course. Now, this tip-off ended up being 100% correct
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: because on the 10th of December, just three months after
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: going public with their relationship, Tammy announced that she was
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: engaged to Matt Sikowsky. So she shared a reel of
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: the romantic moment to her 17 million Instagram followers, captioning
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the post, never in my life have I felt so
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: safe So loved, so understood, so cared for. What a
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: plot twist you were.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I love how as soon as that post went up,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: everyone started comparing all of the engagement rings. Do you
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: have a favorite of Tummy's?
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I mentioned last week that my favorite has to
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: be the one Matt Paul gave her. It's an oval
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: shaped diamond with a lot of diamonds around it. I
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: have an oval shaped engagement ring. So I think that's
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: why it's my favorite.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: What about you? I actually think my favorite one was
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Matt Zukowski's. He did a really good job. When I
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: first saw the ring though, I thought, Has Matt got
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: it from some kind of sponsored deal? Because it would
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: be worth an absolute fortune. And we know that Matt
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: isn't in the same financial bracket as Tammy.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like the engagement wasn't so spontaneous as
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: they made it out to be. Because when he was
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: interviewed on the Inherited podcast in May, when asked if
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: he and Tammy had discussed marriage before he proposed three
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: months into their relationship, he said this.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, we spoke about marriage.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: We were planning on eloping. And I just thought to myself, okay,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I came back to Melbourne to do something. And I
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: spoke to Anna and I told her, she was one
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: of the people I told. We had a date booked
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: in at the courthouse. And she said, well, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: you're going to the Maldives in like four days. Why
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: don't you do something there? So my idea was originally
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: to get like a promise ring and be like, look,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I understand we're not doing it traditional, but then I
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: saw a ring there and it was gorgeous and I
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: fell in love with it. And I was like, okay.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: So I got an engagement ring for her. Yeah. And
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: then did the proposal, organize it quickly with the people
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: at the Maldives. I said, look, I'm planning on proposing.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Can you organize like a thing for me and organize
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: a dinner?
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So it sounds like the original plan was to actually
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: elope to the Maldives and get legally married at the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: registry office beforehand. And Matt said that And Matt said
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: that Anna McAvoy was the one that talked him out
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of it. But I think it was Tammy's sisters who
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: did that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I recall in their interview that they did
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: with Matt on his podcast, they were saying to him
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that they were horrified to hear that Matt and Tammy
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: were planning on eloping. And it sounds like maybe Tammy
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was the one that said, look, if you want people
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to take us seriously, it's probably not going to be
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: good that we go off and just elope. We need
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to actually have a proper wedding.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: In January, Tammy Hembrough made a guest appearance on Matt's podcast.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and revealed that she would be changing her last name
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to Sikowsky when she gets married. This is what she said.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tammy Sikowsky, that rolls off the tongue. Yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Will you change your name?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I love that. We've had that discussion.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: I said I don't... It does sound nice, actually. I
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: said I understand if you don't want to.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like none of my kids have my last name,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: so it's.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not trying to, you know, like.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not like I'm... trying to hold on
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: to it for a reason.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: This is true. Well, your brand is your name. Yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: obviously my, like, brand and that. But you'd keep your brand.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, I can still, like, people can call me
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: whatever they want.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it'll be Tammy Zukowski.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: That's so cute.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It's pretty awkward because Matt recently spoke on his podcast
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: about how Tammy was in the process of changing her
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: last name as someone who recently legally changed their name.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: The process is so drawn out and such a pain
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: in the ass. So I feel for Tammy if she
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: has to go change it back now.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I think he should have changed his name to Hembro.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: He could have done a Dalton Henshaw. I mean, she's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: got the better last name.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Well, she's got the bigger profile. I'm surprised he didn't
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: want to take on him.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now, in this interview, Tammy opened up about
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: her engagement to Matt. So she explained it's the third
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: time she's been engaged, but she never actually planned a
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: wedding or bought a wedding dress before.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she also touched on the backlash they had
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: received after announcing their engagement. Here's what Tammy said.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I don't really care. Yes, I've been engaged three times.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Get over it. I make light of it as well.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I call her Thanos.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm collecting.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: In the stones, the infinity stones. She's got her own gauntlet, Colin.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a good thing, right?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Like when I was 29 and hadn't been engaged at all,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm offended that I haven't been proposed
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to yet.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, she's a catch. Of course she's going to,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know why people have such a problem with it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: I don't and I'm marrying you. So what's their problem?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, in March 2023, unverified rumors started circulating that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Matt had been messaging another woman. Screenshots of an alleged
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: private conversation between Matt and another woman were shared to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a gossip account before being deleted. Now, they, of course,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: were screenshot before they were deleted and they went viral.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Now, in these screenshots, the woman covered her own name,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: but you could see Matt's Instagram handle with his verified tick.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And Matt's account sent a message saying, still with your boyfriend?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: The woman ended up replying saying, hey Matt, yes, why
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: is that? Still marrying Tammy. And Matt responded three hours
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: later writing, interesting, haha, and yes.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: The woman wrote back, why the.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Message then, haha. Now these messages came out just days
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: after Tammy and Matt attended Glamour on the Grid for
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the Grand Prix. And there were a bunch of photos
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: taken at the event where they looked very loved up.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So it was all very confusing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then not long after, Tammy was spotted without
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: her engagement ring. And the timing couldn't have been worse
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: because a week later, Tammy embarked on a press tour
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to promote her book, Show Up. And it was clear
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that Matt was scrambling to win Tammy back because when
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: she appeared on Mamma Mia's No Filter podcast, Matt shared
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a photo of him and Tammy to his Instagram story.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And he wrote, I have never felt a love that
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: is so strong and pure. I love you so much, babe.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: He also left a comment under the podcast promotion of
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the episode saying he couldn't wait to listen. Now, Tammy
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: didn't address the incident publicly, but 24 hours after Matt's post,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: she unfollowed him. Now, during her interview on No Filter,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: which was obviously recorded prior to the fallout, Tammy revealed
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that she's not done having kids. So she admitted that
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: she thought Posey would be her last because she broke
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: up with Matt Paul shortly after. But now that she's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: in a new relationship, she was open to it. This
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was interesting news because Matt has bravely spoken publicly about
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the fact that he doesn't produce sperm. So it will
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: be difficult for him to naturally conceive children. And Tammy
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: explained that Matt was upfront with his fertility struggles and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: said there were options for them to conceive. It was
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: pretty funny because during this press tour, she made a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: joke about how convenient it was that her last two
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: fiancés are called Matt, so she can't mix up their names.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: She also admitted that she gets where people are coming
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: from when they comment that she's introducing her kids to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: another man, but she said that she doesn't do it
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: lightly and always has her kids' best interest at heart.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Tammy also spoke about how Matt's public profile actually helped
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: their relationship because she said it made him understand the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: demands and exposure that comes with being an influencer. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: she was also asked about how she deals with negativity online.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And she said, In the beginning, it definitely got to me,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't really care less anymore. It doesn't change
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: how I'm going to act or how I'm going to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: live my life.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Now, in April, Matt Zukowski broke his silence after being
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: accused of cheating on Tammy. He spoke candidly on his
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: podcast about the situation and confirmed he did message another woman,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: but claimed he did so on his friend's behalf. The
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: whole episode felt like damage control but really lacked the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: guidance from a public relations professional to actually achieve that. Well,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really believed him because it just
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: didn't really make much sense. And you could tell that
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Matt and Anna were working in overdrive to try and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: garner public sympathy for Matt because at the start of
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: the episode, Anna said she didn't even recognise him because
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: he looked so dishevelled and lost. She then asked Matt
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: how he was coping with this situation and he said this.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to lie. I'm in a pretty bad
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: place mentally. Like it's just, I don't know, like look,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: like it's just more embarrassed than anything. Like, and it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: just taken a strain on like everyone around me. Like
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: I'll go into more details later, but like, yeah, I'm exhausted.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I'm drained. It's just something that's like to me was,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: and I get what I did and I'll explain, like
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: I get what I did was wrong. Yeah, it's just exhausting.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: We're just working through it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Before delving into the incident, Matt and Anna really built
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: up just how hard they had been partying at Glamour
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: on the Grid. Matt explained that after the event, he
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and Tammy went back to their suite with Anna and
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: her fiancé Michael and drank until 3am. Matt claimed he
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: was so drunk that he projectile vomited the following morning.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And Anna recounted that she and Michael went back to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: their room at 3 a.m. just as Matt opened another
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: bottle of champagne. Matt confirmed that this was the moment
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: he messaged the mystery woman.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: This is what he said.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Honestly, I'm not making excuses, but I don't fully remember
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: sending any message. I know that sounds bad.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: It doesn't sound bad because Michael was like, When it
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: came out, Michael was like, there's no way Matt would
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: remember sending that because he was popping another bottle when
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: we were leaving. Anyway, we're not, you know.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Not making excuses. Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: So, what happened was I saw, I messaged a girl
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: and I asked her if she was single. But the
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: story behind it is my mate showed me her and
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: he said, your sister and her follow each other and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: she follows you. Do you know her? And then he goes, look,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: do you reckon you could message her for me? And-
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you know, put in a good word and tell her
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: to message me. And I was like, no, man, like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: that's not, I'm not going to do that for you.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm engaged.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I just don't, it's not what
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I wanted to do. And then this is cringe, but
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: he did say, use your blue tick, she'll message you back.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: And I was like, no, man, I'm not going to
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: do that. And then I ended up doing that when
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I was fucked off my head at like 3 a.m.,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: pissed as. Waking up the next day, I realized that
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that is not a good idea. It's embarrassing for my fiancée.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: It's embarrassing to my family. It's embarrassing to my friends.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: It's embarrassing to her family, her friends. Most of all,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: it's embarrassing to the relationship. Like I don't want to
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: be someone in a relationship that does stuff like that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not that sort of person. Like I don't
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: do stuff like that. I think at the moment I
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: did it because I was pissed. I know it's not
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: an excuse and I'm not trying to make an excuse.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: The moment something like this came out, they just jumped
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: on it and they were just like, oh, he's like this,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: this is like, you know what I mean, cheater, all
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: this sort of stuff. But that's not what happened and
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: that's what has really like made me frustrated with it
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: all because I did live, did stay quiet on socials
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: about it. I didn't think that it was worth addressing
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: in that way. So, I kept it quiet because I
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: wanted to do it like this where I could actually
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: talk raw and actually talk about it. But yeah, I
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: think that I'm not making excuses. It was the wrong
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: thing to do, but I feel like, yeah, it's embarrassed Tammy.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: It's embarrassed me. It's embarrassed the relationship.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I'm so confused how they thought that that was helping
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the situation. Like we were so drunk. We had no
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: idea what we were doing, but I must point out
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't, I wasn't messaging this girl for me.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: It was for a friend. Yeah, right.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they constantly contradicted themselves throughout the entire episode, making
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: excuses for Matt's behavior. And they kept using alcohol as
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: an excuse because after talking about how drunk they were
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: at the event, they also spoke in length about how
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Matt had all these other instances where he's lost control
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: binge drinking. So he recounted a story about how he
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: fell through a glass door of his friend's house and
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: his roommate's girlfriend had to call the police. He also
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: spoke about how He was really drunk at Anna's 30th
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and woke up on Chapel Street and his phone had
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: been stolen and he didn't know where he was. So,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was helping the situation. He then
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: read out the apparent full text exchange. Let's take a listen.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: She asked me why. Like, I think I... So, she said...
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I used to do a timing and I said, yes,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: because I don't... I'm not interested in this girl. So,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I said, yes. And then she goes, why the message then?
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: And I said, my friend Dale saw you while we
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: were out, was trying to help a friend... friend haha
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: but i will let him down gently she goes i'll
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: say hope he finds the one i said so do
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: i the hunt continues she goes i've got a friend
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: i said okay send through your friend's insta and i'll
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: get him to message her she sent the name i
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: said thank you for the help she love heart reacted
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: to that and she goes this was this one was
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: scouted by love island do your magic and i said
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: i'll try my.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Best Look, I'm finding it hard to believe this text exchange,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: particularly because he didn't provide a screenshot of it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, all this episode achieved was just making Matt
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: look even guiltier than he already did. And it made
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: no sense because throughout the episode, he kept saying that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he was in the wrong and he'd learned his lesson,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: but then he denied cheating. So it really didn't make
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: much sense.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: It really did make the situation worse. so he literally
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: confirmed that he did in fact message a woman tammy
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: isn't happy about it he then dropped that they're currently
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: in couples counseling over and said this.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Is there anything else that you want to say matt.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah i'd like to officially in front of everyone apologize
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: to tammy um I am sorry that I did that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I really do love you and I can't wait to
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: spend the rest of my life with you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: The grovelling was next level. I think a lot of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: us just assumed that this was it for Tammy and Matt.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: There was no coming back from it. But spoiler alert,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: they got married seven months after this incident.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard not to feel sorry for Tammy.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It was completely embarrassing for her. It was at this
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: point where her audience completely turned against Matt and At
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the start, for Matt, it may have looked very lucrative
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: being Tammy's fiancé, but not when you piss off 20
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: million people who follow her. Now, that is where we're
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: going to leave things today. Next week in the final
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  Speaker 2: instalment of this series, we'll be diving into the wedding
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  Speaker 2: and seven months of not-so-marital bliss.
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  Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
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  Speaker 1: Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to
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