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KEYFORGE ONLINE IS HERE! Is This the Future of KeyForge? · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This is like a thing.
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  Speaker 3: This is like a reference, right?
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  Speaker 2: Ask the Yellow King.
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  Speaker 4: He's here. No, it is more fun to make up
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  Speaker 4: our own stories than.
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  Speaker 2: To have any facts.
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  Speaker 3: What you're doing anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, however. More story. But what's going on, everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead. We started.
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  Speaker 5: I was just talking about this. The Yellow King is
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  Speaker 5: a short story collection by American writer Robert W.
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  Speaker 2: Chambers. See, this is not what you wanted to start with.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead. No, I want to know more. Please tell me.
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  Speaker 5: Uh published but okay all right uh british okay blah
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  Speaker 5: blah blah nine short stories and a sequence of poems
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  Speaker 5: while the first stories belong to the genres of supernatural
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  Speaker 5: horror and weird fiction it could be key for g
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe like cthulhu uh supernatural horror that's like cthulhu right
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  Speaker 2: like that's considered supernatural yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah progressively transitions towards more light
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  Speaker 5: hearted tone ending with romantic stories, devoid of horror or
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  Speaker 5: super act natural elements. Well, you know, maybe that's like, uh,
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  Speaker 5: could that be the, the story of key forge maybe
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  Speaker 5: where it's like, it starts out all scary and weird fiction.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody plays it, but then magically, magically it's saved and
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  Speaker 5: turns into a romance story and you get married at
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  Speaker 5: a key forge event.
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  Speaker 2: No, this game is a sinking ship. Oh, okay. But
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  Speaker 2: what's going on, everybody? I'm the only one in the W-O-O-K-I-E.
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  Speaker 2: Joined here by the normal Key Forge people. Sheep's here. Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Sheep's here. Say hi, Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Sheep.
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  Speaker 2: Castamus Fitz. It's been a little while. I gotta get
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  Speaker 2: back on my horse. You gotta give me a little time.
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  Speaker 4: I get the yellow king for free.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you turn into a horse? Because they're a horse.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're a horse, of course, of course. The Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: Deuce himself. Ewok Jr.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Key Forge community. Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready? I'm ready for this. It is the
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  Speaker 2: Draz Corps. Of the Draz Corps. The Smoke Show. The
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  Speaker 2: Choke Show. He almost did something cool. Draz Corps. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is definitely.
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  Speaker 5: uh, the nice, um, yeah, I love that you guys
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  Speaker 5: have given me so many names. It just means how
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  Speaker 5: much you guys think about me and love me and
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  Speaker 5: all that.
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  Speaker 2: Riku says, thank you all for not seeing race. It's
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  Speaker 2: my setup for a racist joke reference to myself being Asian.
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  Speaker 2: That's too easy. Sir, sir, this is too easy for
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  Speaker 2: this classy podcast. We'll make fun of you for other reasons. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: This is nothing but highbrow humor here. Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: We started off with a whole thing about a poem.
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  Speaker 2: Right? Supernatural tentacle porn poems. And now we've moved into
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is we're talking about now. Oh, Dravscore. Almost
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  Speaker 2: doing something cool. Almost. Almost. That's why it's the Choke Show.
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  Speaker 2: But we are far too gifted on this show. to
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  Speaker 2: stoop to such easy jokes. Anyways, Key Forge Online. Should
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  Speaker 2: we talk about it? I suppose it's a thing that's happening, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So you're excited about this.
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  Speaker 3: Vietnam.
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  Speaker 4: No, we will do Vietnam. We'll come back to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 4: We got to talk about the news. We'll come back
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  Speaker 4: to Vietnam, right? I'm just going to be talking over here.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's going to get a double dose this week.
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  Speaker 2: Vietnam was amazing. Vietnam 1 will be releasing either today
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  Speaker 2: or tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: This is now Vietnam 3. Vietnam is Keyforge.
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  Speaker 2: Vietnam is Keyforge. Because Keyforge Online was here. I thought
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  Speaker 2: Keyforge Online was already here, but now it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be here again.
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  Speaker 4: More here?
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  Speaker 2: It's more here.
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  Speaker 1: Um....
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  Speaker 4: Let's start with the positive. Let's do the, what do.
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  Speaker 2: They call that? The compliment sandwich. What is it, Ewok?
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  Speaker 2: It's the whatever sandwich where we start with a positive
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  Speaker 2: and then I shred it for like 45 minutes and
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  Speaker 2: then we come back around to Ewok where he puts
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  Speaker 2: a nice little bow on it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, typically it would be one positive, one negative, one positive. Now,
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  Speaker 6: 45 minutes of complaining. Just one, one, and one.
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  Speaker 2: This is an American sandwich.
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  Speaker 3: You really have two positive and one negative.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: We got to give ourselves a heart attack with this thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Extra mayonnaise. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm down. So, all right. I'm sorry. Crucible Online. Key
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  Speaker 2: Forge Online is here. What is this? KFO. This is.
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  Speaker 2: This is a... I guess we're just going to... Everybody knows, right?
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  Speaker 2: So we don't have to keep people behind masks, right?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody knows this. As far as we know right now
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  Speaker 2: is DeadSync and Riku making a new way to play
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  Speaker 2: Key Forge Online that is better. Right? That's where we're
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  Speaker 2: at on this one, right? And as far as I
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  Speaker 2: understand it right now, there will be digital decks. Yeah!
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  Speaker 2: This opened up so many questions. So many questions.
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  Speaker 4: So is this show just going to be us making
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  Speaker 4: total shit up because we do not know what's happening
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  Speaker 4: with any of this?
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  Speaker 2: I do like making total shit up, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I just want.
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  Speaker 5: To make sure we're on the same page. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we know a few things. So we should go over
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  Speaker 5: what little we know. And then we can talk about
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  Speaker 5: what we think they should do.
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  Speaker 2: We know it's coming soon, TM. Right? Soon trademarked. Four
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  Speaker 2: to six business years. We actually know that they actually
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  Speaker 2: set a date quite far in the future. 2028.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Is what I saw in there. Like I said, four
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  Speaker 2: to six business years.
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  Speaker 4: Induced comas. That could be tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Could be. We can do this, guys.
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  Speaker 4: Make sure you give your credit card information to somebody
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  Speaker 4: else so they can pledge while you're in your cell.
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  Speaker 2: But here we go again.
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  Speaker 4: Like, okay, you guys are cool with the game found manager.
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  Speaker 2: Like, this is.
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  Speaker 4: They gotta fund it somehow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to. I get it, but like, GG
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  Speaker 2: is just allowing the IP to be used. They're not
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  Speaker 2: a part of this as far as I understand. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they are a part of it, but very distantly. No,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're just taking it. They're like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: will give it to you and you pay us money
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  Speaker 2: to use the IP. I don't think they're involved in
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  Speaker 2: this whatsoever. I don't... I thought I read something somewhere
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  Speaker 2: that's like... Well, no, because this is a game... Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so this is a game found campaign by Yellow King,
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  Speaker 2: which is Riku, for those of you following along. This
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  Speaker 2: is not a ghost... It is not.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a ghost galaxy. It's not a human person.
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  Speaker 2: It's a corporation person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So yellow King is Riku and, and dead sink.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That's the two we know. I don't know how much
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  Speaker 2: dead sinks, just a community. Well, he's the ones listed.
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  Speaker 2: He said he's the community manager in the announcements.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: So he will.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know the relationships of anybody. within this company?
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  Speaker 2: JT Russell and Quickdraw are helping volunteer as moderators on
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  Speaker 2: the server. Suckers. So we're going to get adaptive in this,
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  Speaker 2: I think. I wasn't asked to moderate. I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 4: That's because you don't moderate anything.
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  Speaker 2: I look at things now and again.
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  Speaker 4: You enable. You do not moderate.
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  Speaker 2: I might poke the bear from time to time. It
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  Speaker 2: might be one of my favorite things to do. Okay. So,
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  Speaker 2: I guess we don't know. Tell them what little we
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  Speaker 2: do know.
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  Speaker 4: What do we know? That they want some money?
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  Speaker 2: They want some money from you. 1811 people are following.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Right now. Your free digital Archon deck plus follower bonus.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: Early supporters of Keyforge Online. One Keyforge Online Archon deck
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  Speaker 2: of the most recent set available on Keyforge Online at
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  Speaker 2: the time of the game's release. Follower exclusives of an
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  Speaker 2: in-game Ultra Gravitron Archon Buddy. So you will get an
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  Speaker 2: Archon Buddy. Which will immediately... Sheep will have... I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know what's available. But like, okay, so... There's so
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  Speaker 2: many questions. right? So like, what's the most, is it
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  Speaker 2: going to start at the most recent set of time
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  Speaker 2: of release?
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  Speaker 5: I think it has to, right? Like they, they're going
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  Speaker 5: to want to get you excited. Uh, you being like
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  Speaker 5: a newer player, get you excited about product that is
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  Speaker 5: currently in stores, right?
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  Speaker 2: And does this start a wave of rotation? I just
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  Speaker 2: thought about this. I don't know. Why would it make rotation? Well,
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  Speaker 2: because now you're going to have Keyforge online. Well, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess we don't... Are we going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to play with our old Keyforge decks?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That has been confirmed. We're able to upload decks. I
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  Speaker 2: know somewhere it said it's accessing the Master Vault, but
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see where it said.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and it said that you're going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to play your old stuff.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: I think, uh, well, I think there was, I can't
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  Speaker 5: find it permanent legal. So I think, uh, maybe not your,
• 10:58
  Speaker 5: that menage you got stashed away. That might not be,
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  Speaker 5: nobody has, if you're still sitting on some chain, well,
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  Speaker 5: it is stashed away, sitting on a mark in the dumpster.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, I have a bunch of sealed because it's not
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  Speaker 3: worth opening, but anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Or while there's that do absolutely nothing with it.
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  Speaker 6: I think that the way I would tackle this is more,
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  Speaker 6: what do we know? One, you can go ahead and
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  Speaker 6: see that there was an actual announcement from keyforging.com. So
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  Speaker 6: that is one huge news. We had it announced at
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  Speaker 6: KFC last year that there would be a digital client.
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  Speaker 6: We can now go ahead and see.
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  Speaker 2: Did we? I thought it said they were looking. It's
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  Speaker 2: something that if it came across, they wouldn't turn it down.
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  Speaker 2: I'd have to go rewatch. I'd have to go rewatch. Well,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: there we go.
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  Speaker 4: Here it is, and they didn't turn it down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'll say the next bit is that we know here,
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  Speaker 6: founder of Yellow King, Riku, well-known community member, and DeadSync, again,
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  Speaker 6: well-known community member, and are involved with this. You have
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  Speaker 6: some other well-known community members.
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  Speaker 3: This is great.
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  Speaker 6: We have amazing community members who are going above and
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  Speaker 6: beyond to bring us things from Keychain to... now an
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  Speaker 6: online platform. And no diss against TCO. TCO has literally
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  Speaker 6: kept this game alive for years and years. But this
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  Speaker 6: is exciting. We also know that there is more details
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  Speaker 6: to come. You can see details at the keynote at
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  Speaker 6: Key Forge Celebration 2026. So definitely show up. I think
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  Speaker 6: it'll be a great time. There is an official online
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  Speaker 6: Discord server. So if you have not already checked out
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  Speaker 6: the actual news blurb that's there from keepforging.com, that is
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  Speaker 6: another resource for us to be able to see. That
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  Speaker 6: is all information that we can see. We can see
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  Speaker 6: that there's a game found page that you can go
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  Speaker 6: ahead and follow. You already talked about the free digital deck. Um,
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  Speaker 6: there are a lot of questions, but man, this, this
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  Speaker 6: is exciting news at the very, very, very least.
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  Speaker 3: This is very, very exciting news.
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  Speaker 6: Um, Tell me why this would not be exciting news.
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  Speaker 6: This is literally an online component for us to be
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  Speaker 6: able to have.
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  Speaker 5: This is what we've been asking for, Wookie. Don't tell
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  Speaker 5: us why this is a bad idea.
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  Speaker 2: We've had a digital online client for years.
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  Speaker 4: We have not had an official online client that includes
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  Speaker 4: the ability to purchase decks in it.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: And potentially have some sort of meaningful ranking that results
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  Speaker 4: in you being able to win more decks like many
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  Speaker 4: online card games allow.
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  Speaker 3: What Sheep just said.
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  Speaker 4: True.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess there could be the grinders out there.
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  Speaker 2: I just opened up TCO, my local TCO, The Crucible Online.
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  Speaker 2: There are three games going on right now.
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  Speaker 4: One is Toot and Carnage playing against themselves.
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  Speaker 6: But there's no slap in TCO. As I just said
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  Speaker 6: less than five minutes ago, TCO literally has kept this
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  Speaker 6: game afloat when, frankly, FFG and GG were not there.
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  Speaker 3: To be able to do it.
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  Speaker 6: I will state that, and I will continue to back
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  Speaker 6: everyone from TCO. They've done a phenomenal job.
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  Speaker 2: Fun story. At one time, it was the same dude.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just going to go ahead and say that here...
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  Speaker 6: They haven't supported. I mean, this is client that would
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  Speaker 6: be attached with DJ.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: It's being discussed at the Key Forge event, which means
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  Speaker 4: when this after this goes, it will probably be printed
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  Speaker 4: on future decks. So when you buy a deck, you
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  Speaker 4: will know it'll be. It'll be more. obvious to anybody
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  Speaker 4: who has any interest in Key Forge, where TCO, like,
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  Speaker 4: people who've played this game for months in stores may
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  Speaker 4: not even know that TCO exists, because it's not that
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  Speaker 4: easy to find. Like, people join our Discord, they start
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: talking to Key Forge, they're like, well, come play with us.
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  Speaker 4: They're like, what are you talking about? We're like, we
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  Speaker 4: play over here, and they go, oh. So, having it
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  Speaker 4: on the front of stuff in the future will... Will help.
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  Speaker 3: It's a marketing component, Sheep. That's what's there.
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  Speaker 6: I actually just listened to a podcast a little bit
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  Speaker 6: ago from Board Game Geek, and it was in reference
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  Speaker 6: to a board game company that many years ago had
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: actually gone into Kickstarter, GameFound, and kind of that online play.
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  Speaker 6: And one of the main takeaways from this was the
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  Speaker 6: idea of how Kickstarter and GameFound has really changed from
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  Speaker 6: small independent companies that are like, hey, I want to
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  Speaker 6: get a foothold.
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  Speaker 3: I want to start. And I have this really cool idea.
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  Speaker 6: To some very, very mainstay companies. Companies that have more
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  Speaker 6: than enough to be able to publish, but what they're
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  Speaker 6: actually getting from Kickstarter and GameFound is marketing. And we've
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  Speaker 6: been complaining that, frankly, GG lacks in that marketing. So
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  Speaker 6: at the very least, I know in my own messaging
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  Speaker 6: this week, I've seen that they tapped into the GameFound from, well...
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  Speaker 6: I believe they tapped into another game found that was there.
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  Speaker 6: And so they're reaching out with previous amounts because the
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  Speaker 6: more game founds we've gotten in, we've lost people. And
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  Speaker 6: many people have been clamoring for online play. So if
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  Speaker 6: nothing else, and it provides marketing to say, hey, this
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: game is around.
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  Speaker 3: I miss it.
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  Speaker 6: I want to come back. I look for it. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: they dabble because it's an online client. I think that's
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  Speaker 6: very exciting for the future here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like.
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  Speaker 4: A better client with proper integration, it can't hurt us. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion, I mean, as, as I've talked in
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  Speaker 4: many shows, I also am not one who's super convinced
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: we have the population to, uh, have explosive growth that,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: you know, everybody who says like, Oh, if there was OP,
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  Speaker 4: we would have crazy growth. I think that's absolutely crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we would have less attrition.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody's ever said that. I think
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: we said if we've had OP, we'd have some growth.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Slow motion is better than no motion, you know. That's
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  Speaker 2: what she said.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's somewhere in between from where both of
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: you guys are standing, and that's what most of the
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: community can see. We do have a large attrition right now.
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  Speaker 6: This can cut into it. Is it going to show
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  Speaker 6: massive growth? I hope so, but realistically, probably not. It'll
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  Speaker 6: show some growth. You'll have some people be like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: I played this online. Now, the next question is, what's
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: the distribution method? Is it just game file?
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, are you asking? It's going to be on Steam.
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  Speaker 2: It is going to be on Steam. I thought I've
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  Speaker 2: read everything. I was going to say, is this going
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  Speaker 2: to be on Steam? Is this going to only be
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: on keyforging.com? Because we know how everybody flocks there for things.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah i think steam is a much bigger platform did
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  Speaker 6: they put a dollar amount on it or is it
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  Speaker 6: free to play.
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  Speaker 1: Nope that none of that's been announced yeah we don't
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  Speaker 1: know it's been an announcement okay what do we think
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  Speaker 1: they should do there well they should figure out how
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: much they need to be able to produce the game
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  Speaker 1: and then i say they need that much money i
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: am not a developer i am bad.
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  Speaker 4: At guessing this number. I see some people saying, you
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: see some people saying, oh, they should be able to
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  Speaker 4: ask for a hundred grand. And I'm like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think a hundred grand does it. And then there's other
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  Speaker 4: people saying, oh, they're going to need a million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: And there's no way they're raising a million dollars on
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: a key forge thing.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: And there's definitely, we did it once as, you know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: a guy in the software field.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: But like, it, it's weird to think about like, is
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: there their game found. Right. So like, When you're selling
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: game found software, like especially on something like that is
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: a card game software where you're paying for packs, you
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: don't typically pay for the software itself, right? Like the
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: software is free and then you pay for.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Magic Online is free and then you pay for the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: product that you want to continue playing.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Most of these things, right? And then you pay for
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: the content. So i'm i've never game founded anything like
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: this so i'm not really sure what they're selling outside
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: of some cosmetics because the other thing they can sell
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: is like oh when you back at this level you're
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: gonna have 200 deck tokens so you could open 200
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: decks and that's just like but they're you know they're
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: i don't know that doesn't feel like I don't know
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: if that's what you sell during a thing.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, deck tokens, skins for the backgrounds, images, being able to...
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can picture... I mean, I guess.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: And this is all conjecture, a thousand percent conjecture, but
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: if we can look at chain, you could have some
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: way to be able to document your individual record, what
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: you're doing, potentially for accolades for decks that have ascended
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: through tournaments or online play in leagues.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: You can... potentially add those components.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: But all of that is, again, taking money and resources
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: to be able to create. I don't know how long
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: that would require to be able to do. But, Drez,
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: you were trying to say something in regards to a
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: little bit more knowledge.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm in the software field, right? So I have
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: a sense of how much software costs to make. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: it's not super cheap, but a lot of cost... differential
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: comes from how where on the scale of your you
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: created this in your free time and hack something together
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: and and uh created a server called drazscore.com right that
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: all the way up to this is a yeah yeah
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: where claude does most of the work Claude does 100%
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: of the work. Literally, I've never written a line of
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: code for draft score myself. But that to not make
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: it be like a total mess, you have to actually
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: build software and know what you're doing. Anywho, that's not
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: what we're talking about today. So a lot of the
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: cost comes from how do you make this all the
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: way up to like top tier enterprise grade, right? So
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: the same software product with, you know, five nines of
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: resiliency and, you know, never, you know, super hardened, no
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: data loss, total, like all the ilities, like highly performant,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: all these things, like anywhere in the world, distributed, right?
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Like all that stuff, all that stuff is engineering and
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: costs money, both to build and upkeep.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Ongoing.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: So the scale can be quite large, right? And then
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: it's like, okay, you're just kind of the developers do
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: the graphics. If it were me, you probably don't want that. Um,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: cause I'm not an expert in graphics. So even when
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: I asked Claude to do stuff, it kind of doesn't
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: look good. Cause you have to know what you're doing
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: to make it look good. Um, all the way up
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: to the, you know, higher artists and, and do it
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: for real. So like there's, you, you could spend a
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: ton of money or you could try to do this
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: on the cheap. So they've already answered somewhere that they
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: will not be using AI for any of the generation
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: of this product.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a mistake.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I think they should start code.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Nobody cares about the code, right? Like I think they
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: just said, all right, I don't see anything about that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: So that's probably wiser. I'm going to stop supporting things
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that are like, no AI will be used in this.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I want all the AI.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Right. Like I want, I want.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Some happy medium.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I want my third place.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Like that other meme where they're like, where's the AI
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: that does my laundry and my dishes. I don't need AI.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: They'll do art. I'm with that.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Where is the.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Affordable, good AI that's going to do my freaking yard work?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: No one would bitch about that AI. I would pay
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: for that AI.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: We forgot to highlight the Patreon. Where is some of
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: this Patreon stuff that Wookiee was putting out? Man, I
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: totally lost it. I was going to highlight the quality. Yeah,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: it's great.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: AI makes.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where was it? There was there was a great one.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: There was one of the five key. Here we go.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: This this is sent to our patrons.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So the guys who are like, I love keys.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: So I love you. So I got to you that
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: I'm going to push this out. So five key force
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: facts you may not know.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Patrons.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Number one, every deck is unique. Hmm.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Except for those well, guys.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But we don't talk about that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Speaking of Woe Decks, just the other day I had
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: a Master Vault claim on a Woe Deck. I was like, oh,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: somebody found a duplicate of one of mine.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: You have so much ADD in this podcast. Alright, anyways.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Number two. Three factions, one deck. Yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Number three, no deck building. Number four, global community. Number five,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: build to last.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: That's right. So what's the problem? It blows your mind.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I don't see the problem. Anywho, no lies were told there.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Not one.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Did it add depth to our Keyforged community?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Nobody's here for depth. Everything's paper thin. Come on. Let's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: be honest.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: So.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Higher expectations, Wookie.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: You get two beers and we all fall apart like
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: a house of cards. Maybe not Draskor because he doesn't
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: drink beer. Maybe three beers. Two Shirley Temples in, Draskor's
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: bubbling like a baby.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: Alright, to refocus you guys, we've gone ahead and looked
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: at what we know so far, some initial questions.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Are there other questions that you would like to be
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: able to answer? Because there's a lot that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: There's so many! Am I going to be able to.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Which is why I'm going to try and refocus you.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Am I going to be able to print out the...
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Am I going to be able to print out the
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: digital decks.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: To be able to play? The indication is likely.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: But that's not like that's not like here's how this
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: works and this is how it goes.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: But it would be outrageous miss if you couldn't. I
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: don't think that's why. How because I actually it's just
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: money about it's just filter money to a thing you
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: already do and provide here.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: What is the problem? OK, so Draskor, here's your choice.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: You can either buy a box from your store. Yep. Right.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: For $ 180 or less because you get a discount. Or
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: you can buy 12 of my digital decks for $ 2
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: or $ 3 a piece.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to be true. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I'm GG. I make the same amount. That was my
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: next question.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Shush, shush.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Shush.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: All right. What are you going to do?
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: You're going to buy cheap digital decks. And I agree.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: You can make it where GG makes a similar amount.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: If they set the price basically at their digital market
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: plus whatever GG makes for a deck, right? Minus printing stuff. Okay.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: But now you have eliminated any need to have these
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: real decks because stores are not going to carry this
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: game at all.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Well, we already knew that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: But this is something they.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Claim Riku.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Yellow King is claiming is that they have already considered
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: this and keeping the physical game focused as part of
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: it is critical to this. So they supposedly don't want to... Yeah, where's.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: The section of this talk where I go, I don't
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: believe that shit for a second. Oh, but it is
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: so important.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Until they actually release real information... All we can do
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: is speculate and talk. Sure.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: This is true because I think in my weird twisted
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: tinfoil armadillo hat mind, right? This is a way for
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: them to get out of physical paper. They don't want
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Half of his company is making the money off the
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: physical printer. Ghost Galaxy pays Artiforge. But now, Artiforge is
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: able to go do more? Echoes of Omens is coming out.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Echoes of Omens is not coming out.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Well, we don't know when Echoes is coming out. If
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I can get one thing.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Off the printer.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Right? Come on, Jeremy. More time to other games.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: We don't have any idea what kind of capacity the
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: printers have.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: This is true.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: And the short answer is that Keyforge right now is
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: a money generator for the company.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: It allows them to be able to do other things. So...
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: our numbers are decreasing.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: You can see that last game campaign. I don't know
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: how much of.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: It is decreasing anymore, but it has, it has not
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: turned them into, we're not doing this at all.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: And so it's still digital only. I wouldn't even play
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: this game anymore. I would not care about Keyforged at all.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I don't play other digital card games because that's not
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: what I want to do. I play some digital Keyforged
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: so I can keep in contact with people I can't
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: see regularly, but if I didn't get to see these
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: people sometime, I wouldn't even care about that. I don't
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Don't care. But I.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Think this is where the idea of tied in with
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: local support and with physical is so important. And I
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: will say, while I would have some concern with maybe
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: a third party, seeing that Riku's investment for the Vietnamese community,
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: seeing DeadSync's investment with Tracker, KeyChain, like the KeyChain and
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: all that's happened already.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: DeadSync's not one of the enemies. What are you talking about?
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: No, no, that's what I... It is not working at
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: the enemy. What I'm saying is they actually....
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: They bring in.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: An importance of community and trying to build each of
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: those communities. And that is what gives me more confidence
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: that they will try to take something that they're making
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: digital and it will have some connection back to the
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: physical so we can still play. If this was just
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: someone that I didn't know... I would have a real
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: concern that they're trying to just push digital and we're
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: not going to see that physical store, which means, again,
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: more stores drop out. There's less incentive to be able
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: to back. Well, number one, we have issues. We have
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: to prove we have to prove the theory of digital.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Right. So it's not coming out for another, what, two years, 28.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So they got to prove that theory. But I think
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I think once that theory is proven, I can't see
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a CTP going. Yeah. We got other things in the pipeline.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: He's done it before. This is his MO. This is
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: what he does. He finds ways to cut costs, turn
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: certain things. Now, in a couple years, if Keyforge is
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: still their main moneymaker, then maybe not.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: Well, your question that was asked was, what's the cost?
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: So we have no idea on what a cost of
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: a digital deck is versus a physical deck.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: And I don't see the cost being much different. Well,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: and that's a big question.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: I can't see it having the same. Hardly any success
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: beyond already established Key Forge players. If you're like, oh,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I'm going to play this game. And, you know, even
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: if you get a free deck when you create your account.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: And then you go and you're like, OK, so I
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: created my free deck. All right. Oh, this deck isn't
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: very good. And then you're like, oh, I want to
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: play a different deck. $ 10 for a digital deck. It
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: never happened. Because that cost includes the paper, the cards,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: the shipping, and you're not actually paying for... None of
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: that actually exists.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: This is where I'm like, they'll have to be cheaper
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: because you're only paying for a digital product. I don't
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: know how much cheaper, but that just means... That means
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: from the point of cracking, it ends up being cheaper
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: to crack online, which.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Is is a issue with trying to keep it in
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: game stores but i kind of agree with you i
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: don't know how much that actually matters to them because
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: they're not doing a very good job right now supporting
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: game stores anyways so.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Whatever happened to that summer or fall event whatever.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Discovery event and yeah anything.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: It's all the same shit right where's our where's our
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: summer event Where is... Remember that discovery event where we
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: were going to have cool keys to get new people
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: into the game? We were going to have a whole
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: thing of those? You guys remember that? You're talking about that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: We still haven't gotten a write-up for any of the vaults,
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: minus Riku, who literally did it right after the Vietnam vault.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I was getting there, but you kind of came in
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and stole my thunder, but it's cool.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: You guys are all on kick the same dead horse
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: train today.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm sorry, Sheep. At this point, you have
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: to kick the same dead horse, because if you don't
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: kick the same.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: No, you don't.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Everybody already knows it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It's kicked.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Everybody already knows, but nothing happens if you don't kick
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: the fucking horse.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Nothing happens when you do kick the horse. It makes
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: me feel better.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't make me feel better.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Here's my concern, boys. My concern is not with our
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: community members. I actually have a lot of success and
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: belief in our key footage community members who continue to
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: go above and beyond, from podcasts to content creators to
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: literally the individuals here who have such an impact for
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: the digital version that's coming out. My concern comes more
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: on the GG side in what I'm seeing for the
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: product that's there. So one of the concerns I actually
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: have is that timeframe of 2028, just based on the
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: impact of PV and where the game is right now.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: And I will say that against them, but I can't
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: say that our game is in the best state of
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: that everyone's super excited, and that we have more people
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: coming in than leaving, and at what rate. So the
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: timeframe is a bit of a concern, but what I
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: am excited about is the people who are having their
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: hands in it, who are willing to take and make
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: this that next step. That's Yellow King. I think that's
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: very exciting. There are some concerns, though. I do think
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: with U-Sheep that the cost has to be less than
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: the deck. I think that it probably has to be
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: in the realm that it is at least less than
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: half of it. I believe that they'll be able to
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: tie it back in. Hopefully, hey, bring this digital deck.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: Have some border or some treatment that you can print
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: out and be able to take in, or Have an
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: online tournament that you have here. Return to your store
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: for some... I mean, there were some great ideas that
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: were posted on Discord from other individuals, not myself.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I will not take credit for that. But that is
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: part of what they have.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: To think about. I'll take credit for it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: What's incentivizing people to support this amazing endeavor outside of, hey,
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: we got some great people doing it.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: How is this going to be able to tie in
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: with our local scene?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Really, honestly, the first thing we need to know is
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: GG's involvement. How entrenched are they in this? Right? Because
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the game found is.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Oversight and veto rights, I think.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Right. Probably. Right. Oversight and veto rights. How does this
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: connect back to the greater key... So who's issuing the decks?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Is it GG issuing the decks? Or is it Yellow
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: King issuing the decks?
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: It's just like it is now. They get a deck code.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: They get a list of deck codes from GG, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: then they give it to you.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Yellow King, make sure you got in
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: that contract that if they stop producing, you get the
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: algorithm so you can generate decks.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: That should be in the contract.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like generating decks isn't really an issue. Actually,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: my thought is what happens is, so they generate the
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: decks and then the AFO then has to use the
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: API to ping the master vault to get the deck
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: list right after it has the code and sends it back.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: That's just how often the master vault is going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: be down. decks don't load and crap and yelking they're
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: just going to be like sorry we understand that you
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: can't use these decks you just paid for it's not
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: our fault really really really maybe GG will fix this
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: in 4-6 months we'll get back to you in 4-6
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: months do you think.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: They're actually going to fix the decks with the missing
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: cards I literally just opened one and posted it on
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: posted it on our forums so that deck I posted
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: with that bogus legacy, uh, that card is missing in
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: the master vault.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So what was.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: The response dress that it pinged back from a master
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: vault when you tried to put it in?
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: It just comes up. Yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: It's just missing a card.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, cause I actually had a deck scan. It was
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: the weirdest thing.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: And it said unable to scan any, put it literally,
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: it was just a cleanly ripped deck.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I've never seen that error.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Was it a spicy name?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Wasn't Breastula?
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: No. I'll have to go ahead and put it off.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: To the side. Is your name Breastula?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: It didn't really matter to me, but I put it
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to the side and I'm like, what the?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: There we go. I'll screenshot this for you guys. Let's see.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Is it a missing card or what? It's just gone.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: No, it's just literally... Throw it in there for you.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: If you listen to us live Thursdays at whatever time
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: this is.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: If we do it at this time.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes. It's not there. It's on the card. So
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that deck allows you to add any Mars card from
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: any set, right?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: So i yeah so so if you guys are wondering
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: i have in i have a deck the the one
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: of a kind queen of kate polu uh and this
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: deck is a draconian measures deck and in this deck
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: there's a card, which actually it's a Mars card. So,
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: of course, now I don't remember the name of it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So hold on. Let me pull up the image real quick.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: It's probably got enough words in it to choke a horse.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Am I right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where is it?
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Here it is.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: It has.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: A legacy card, T.T. Yerkson Delive, which you're probably like,
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: what the heck is that? This is from the, yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: I know. This is a three power Martian creature, scientist, elusive.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: At the end of your turn, you may put a
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: creature from play face down under Trixin Delive. After reap
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: for each card under Trixin Delive, you may make a
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: token creature or make a token creature. And so this
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: is from the Martian Civil War special event. And I
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: got it in a draconian measures deck. So it does
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: not appear.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, doesn't this have something to do with that? They
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: didn't art asset those to show up with. I think
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: it has something to do with that. They're just not
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: asseted right in the background because they're weird legacies.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: You said maybe.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: So you can't get, unfortunately, you cannot get a dress
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: score on this car on this deck.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: This is a card. Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: So I will look at it. It's not the master
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: ball back end.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Everything is, doesn't it?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I would assume so. It's just interesting because I wonder, like,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: there are things that we don't obviously know. So, you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: they print whatever, 100,000 decks now for a set. And
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: if this has significantly more sales, do they just run 100,000
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: decks without a print and that's what they're going to have?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: They could.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: They could run as many for each as they want.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: They could run them later. They could do it on demand.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: There are things that concern me about more independent potential
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: access to the backend of key forge. Cause if you
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: could find the decks before they were scanned shenanigans. Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: And that's interesting.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: Cause you just said that one of the, one of
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: the questions that I had, and I think this is
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: relevant is what is the impact for tracking of games
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: on key forge online, who will have access to that,
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: who will not have access to that. And I think
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: that's a, like, For super transparency, that's really important that
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: your independent access to Keyforge, as you said, Sheep, was there.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: Gigi always was the one who was in charge of
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: that and not necessarily others. And I can state it
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: as we had, TCO has been really good about what
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: they've had. I will say KIPP ran into some issues
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: with open licensing and kind of user agreements and.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Open information for EU.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Um, so I think that that is a question that
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: I have as well as like, I mean, that's how
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: are the games going to.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Be legal product. They've got to figure it out. They
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: got to deal with all that, like their own user
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: license and put that stuff up there. And yeah, I
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: don't know what it'll say.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: It is important, but I'm saying we have like, well,
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: three human dead sink are two individuals who are well-connected
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: in our key forge community and, But does that mean
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: that they will no longer.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Be able to.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: But what do we really know about that Riku and DeadSync?
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: No, but what I'm saying is, will that eliminate them
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: from being able to participate because they now have access
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: to additional information?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Well, DeadSync is already a part of that inner circle.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I understand what's there, but... He is eliminated. My assumption
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: is yes. I mean, Riku is like... Man, does he just... He's...
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: damn near there, except they didn't give him the fucking
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: polo yet, right? He runs all the shit in Vietnam.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: He is the distribution in Vietnam.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: But he plays. I mean, there's a big difference.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he plays, but I mean... And wins.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Well, but at the same time.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Quite suspicious, would you say? Yeah.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: All I'm saying is, I think this is just Riku's
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: scam to get decks even cheaper than he was.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: That's all this is. This is just a big, a big,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, he'll end up with just like the
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: Vietnamese decks that he sold to people at better than
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: GG prices. You know, like, you know, this is just
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: the next level of that scam. He's just even cheaper decks.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It's a weird Key Forge pyramid scheme. What?
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I will.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I will tell you, sheep.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: One of your concerns is that when you open a
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: Key Forge deck and it is poopoo. uh, that you
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: just leave behind for others to, uh, take home or
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: try to, uh, put in their bags or frankly, you're not.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Going to be able to delete digital backs.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: You don't even have to worry about that anymore because
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: it's just poof.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: I'm a hundred percent. Like if I physically playing that
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: deck in an event, I'm with open and digital. So
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: I don't have to keep the physical.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: And this is going to be thrilled, right? By all
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the key forge and have none of the space taken
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: up by it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, Is it so that it would just be like
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: $ 25 to print one of these digital decks? Because, again,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: like I say, if they're quite a bit cheaper, I
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: expect them to be... And then there's the same cost
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: to print. Why would you buy physical decks outside of
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: your playing with them in a sealed event? Unless you're
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: a kitchen table player and that's how you play. There
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: are other reasons to have physical decks, for sure, but...
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Just from the semi-competitive, like to not be able to
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: open and then not have to actually own the physical cards.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm in in that regard.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Right. I'm all in.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: How much nicer are my Wednesday, Friday, Saturday events we had?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, shit. You would have to set nobody deck codes.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody just does it on their own.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, even X-Ray could deal with putting his own deck.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: X-Ray won't be able to figure this one out. Somebody
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: will need to hold his hand and walk him through it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Riku, you might want to make X-Ray a playtester,
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: because if he can use it, then.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: If X-Ray can figure it out, anyone can figure it out. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Just to let you know, X-Ray's preferred choice of social
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: media is still MySpace.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: So.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: No, he doesn't even know what MySpace is. He didn't
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: have to learn about computers until college.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: No, no. When the hell did he go to college?
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: He's a Facebooker.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: He's an old man.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Like when I had to set you all aside and
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: explain to you short form content. Yeah, like when you
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: started to type thefacebook.com. And you guys are like, I
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: don't understand what this is. Why is this a thing?
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And why are all the kids loving it? You have
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: to have an EDU account.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: That was not what the issue was.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: The issue was that it actually doesn't show up when
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: you search for it because you were creating content that
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: couldn't be found.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: It's like you've got to click on the short form thing.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: We're like, why would we ever click on that garbage?
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Why are you clicking on that if I literally cannot
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: search for it That's a problem.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: That's what we were trying to tell you.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because nobody's searching for Keyforge. So, like, it makes
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: that not a thing. Because it's YouTube. And you guys went, oh, YouTube.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: And then, like, all the things. Whatever. I'll change it
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: next time.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I won't.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Well, lie to us. Yeah. We're too lazy to check you.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, last time I just fucking... like I said,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I even sent you all the links. I don't know
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: how to make it any easier. Uh, okay.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: Any other questions or things that you're excited about?
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, like I, so I think what they definitely
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: need is make sure that there was a really, really
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: great way. One for a new player who's never played
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: the game before to, um, Yeah, the tutorial and easy
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: get started thing to make sure they are wowed by
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: cool special effects and cool sound effects for the first
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: few games.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: And like that'll really grab people like the in the
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: YouTube video.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: That whirlpool effect. That was cool.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Definitely do that stuff and then make sure you can
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: go into the settings and turn it all off after
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: you've been wowed by it a few times. because hardcore
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: players may not want that but i knew players definitely
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: definitely want that like uh yeah i mean the big
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: problem with tcl right is like and everything happens instantly
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: in tcl so a new player great for experienced players
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: right there should be a mode for that but for
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: new players, you're like, suddenly the board changes. You're like, wait,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: what the hell just happened? And you try to read
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: the log and it's confusing.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, TCL is a horrible teaching tool.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Does this become, like, the Magic Online versus Magic Arena?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Real players play on TCO because of the quickness, the speed,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the ability to play whatever. And then, like, newer players
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: go to KFO.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I can see if it's too blatant in
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: graphics and garbage that it would turn me off.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: You have to be able to disable it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but then your opponent doesn't, and their turns take forever. Oh,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: let's just play Europeans. It'll be fine.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I guess that was actually the question.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Or Ewok.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: Because I didn't see the log, but there's actually a
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: section in the video that calls out history that you
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: can go back and see what happened.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all standard. It was standard.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I just didn't see it in the video, so that's
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: why I went back to check.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Arena has that too, I'm pretty sure.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Really, when you look at it, the popular... The semi-popular
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: video game programming tool.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: What's it called?
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: That half the stuff's programmed in.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I can't think of it right now. Unreal Engine?
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Unity?
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Unity.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Unity already has 80% of being able to build a
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: card game, I bet you, just like in standard stuff.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Because there's been so many of them done. Yep. Now,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not... I don't know much more than that, but
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: I know it's already got a lot of the underlying stuff.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: And the fact that TCO is just a rip-on some
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: other game's thing and then recoded to do things Keyforge
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: has to do. It's not like they have to build
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: from the ground up completely. Keyforge is not doing that much.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Hard gamey stuff.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're going to have 17 new mechanics in
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: two years.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they got to add.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Sure, they'll have some coding work to do, just like TCO.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's going to be a reason that the
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: decks aren't free, because they have to pay for.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: No, I understand that. I mean, because to a certain degree,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: number one, we got to figure out... Well, we don't
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: got to figure out shit. They got to figure out
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, because, I mean... In the history of
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: most things, a lot of these online card games have
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: just failed miserably.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's because they've been online only.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: And I think that's why it's critical for them to
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: get this reasonably correct in keeping actual Key Forge a thing.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think. I can't remember. I mean, Pokemon
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Online isn't played. I mean, I haven't played it in
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: a while. Yu-Gi-Oh! Online is pretty much dead, as far
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: as I understand. Arena is still a thing, but that's
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: because they do all sorts of wacky shit.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Hearthstone, right?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Hearthstone is still around, but I don't think it's anywhere
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: near as big as it used to be.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: It's still pretty big.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: It was Marvel Snap. That's the whole thing, right? Is
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: that even a card game? Who knows? But they do exist.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: This is the thing. Like, again, you're like, it's not huge.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: It's not 900 million players at the same time. That
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: doesn't need to exist for it to be a successful platform.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: All it's got to do is make enough to pay
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: all the bills, which in theory is paying people's wages
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: as well. That's just part of the bills. And it's
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: doing fine. It doesn't have to make somebody... Damage sheep?
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Does that mean we're all failures? Yes, we are.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Well, yes.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, the show pays for itself. It just doesn't
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: pay us all salary. Wages.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: I'm looking for DraftScore. I'm losing money on DraftScore. There
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: you go. We need to bump up. You and I still.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: I think we've said this before.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: We've got to do Patreon, yada yada, so we can
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: bump up some DraftScore. You need to get in on
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: the ground and get DraftScore integrated in the back end
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: of KFO.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: You know. Open up a deck that automatically shows you
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: your draft score. This deck is 13.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: I might actually have to integrate with a master vault then.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: I've tried that before and it like broke everything and
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: I was like, no, and I had to go back
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: and like fix some data. It was like really annoying.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: And yeah, so I just piggyback on all the DOK APIs.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Because they're super easy to use and readable and.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Well, Nova's already over there posting, so she's already taken
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: all your thunder.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. A dollar short. Get in
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: on that. Whatever. Does Nova even play anymore, or just...
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: No idea. Maintain decks at Keyforge. And Sass.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: On occasion, I've seen Nova online, but it's definitely much
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: more cash at this point.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to do our two-dunk cardins check. yep there
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: he is still playing himself in beginner there you go
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: savage yeah i mean like.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: I i in some ways i think doing the game
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: found is not a bad plan right because saying like
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: hey we need this much interest and this much money
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: to know this is worth us putting more time in
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: versus that putting in a bunch of time and then
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: being like oh there really wasn't any money and like.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah they don't make money back yeah like this is
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: this could be a full-time job for a.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Could be a part-time job. It's part-time.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, how many of these little crummy mobile games
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: are full-time jobs for people? And they're trash when you
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: look at what they really are. Yeah. I mean, like,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: as far as, like, actual effort put into them, it
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: feels like.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: You don't talk bad about my street surfer. I don't
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: know if I know that one. Everybody knows street surf.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it sucks.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Now street surfer is like totally dead and hardly has
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: anybody at.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Least that's what I mean it's all over tiktok.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know man I'm just making shit up like
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: you I do make things up that we do yeah
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: alright well it's been an hour boys it's been fun
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: I have a question you have a question what should
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: they set.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: The goal to or what do you think they're going
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: to set the goal to and what what do i
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: stretch award should they generate okay.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: So number one for the i'm gonna resort to what
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: would it cost to basically i guess break even on
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: on the ground to now or you know from from
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: here to go to.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: I wonder how much of that preview stuff is real
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: stuff and how much of it is just like let's
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: make some pretty graphics and there's no actual thing going on. Hmm.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: That's not, that's probably in general. But what, what would
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: it cost? Like just a ballpark figure, be a little conservative.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, like I said, depends on, depends on
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: how for serious you're going to, you're going to try
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: to do this thing, right?
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: You can try to do it on a cheap, you
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: try to do it halfway serious. I mean, not too cheap,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: not too expensive.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Like just kind of, You should pay yourself as a
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: senior engineer.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, and you should make, uh, you should make, you should.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: Target making good money. And then if you're like really passionate,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: you can back off of it. You should, you should
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: target paying yourself full time for a.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Year, $ 200, 000. Um, and right.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Well, but here's the thing you do have to take
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: into account. the country the work is being performed in.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: So you can back off. All right.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: So if it's in Vietnam, you can cut that back
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: by a bit, right? And so it's, you know, like
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: a billion dong. So it's like 75 cents, right? And
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: that is a currency, by the way. Vietnamese dong, 100,000
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: dong is about 380 when we were there. $ 3.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: 80, not 380.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: $ 3.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: 80.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Basically, 25K is a buck.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: That was the easy way to figure it out.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that. So the. So, yeah, if.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: It was in the US, you'd pay yourself something like that. Remember,
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: if you're if you're full time, you pay your own
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: medical insurance and all that.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Right. And then there's if you're going to have more developers.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: You got to pay them now part time, full time. Then,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: so with Steam, I guess you're not hosting the software,
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: but you have to have your development platform.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: You got to have all that. So I guess.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: You got to have a lot of hardware. You got
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: to have some hardware, right? Now maybe use your existing system.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: Maybe you're okay using just free GitHub, right? If you
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: don't have a lot of contributors or whatever, but maybe
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: you want to go more serious.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: If it's Steam and it's all running on the user's hardware,
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: you don't have to actually deploy into the cloud or
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: anything you actually save some money there steam's gonna take
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: a cut of some sort right.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: This is the longest explanation just give me a dollar
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: amount 500 000 okay so that is that's like serious
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: like seriously 500 000 you could.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, maybe if it's in Vietnam, maybe maybe
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: you can cut that back to 250, 200. I've seen.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Several Steam games. The independent stuff there. You know, one
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: one developer. A year of his not real work to do.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you could do like you do as a
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: part time job and you could do it for a
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: lot less, right? Just the supplemental income. but it'll take
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: a lot longer.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Well, all right. So we're going to need a lot
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: more followers. Because I feel.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Like there's a significant difference for this versus building a game,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: like building any other kind of video game. They are
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: not actually creating any rules or having to worry about
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: game balance or anything like that. They're just having to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: implement rules as already written.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Which can have its own difficulty.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Sure, absolutely.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Every good software engineer knows that 80% of the cost
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: comes from some ridiculous business requirement that you're like, could
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: you just change it ever so slightly?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: But instead, it's like super hard to implement because like, no,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: it needs to work this way. Right.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying like, so there is like this whole
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: level of development in that regard, whereas... You know, this
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: is it's a little more like you're already just like
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: solving this problem and you're not having to do as
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: much creative development work. So, you know.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's definitely art assets you got to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: pay for.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it's already done, right? Well, the cards, but all
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: the other stuff, right?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: That was that was also my guess that I put
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: on line the other day was 300 to 600 would
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: be the.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Number three to six.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: I just put it I just put it in in
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: in dong seven point five to 15 million or billion
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: seven and a half to 15 billion dong.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: So I think that you are looking at between I'm
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: going to go ahead and say the 300.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: I think 300,000 is the appropriate amount. But here's the thing.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: I think if this is a business venture, you have
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: to understand that you're going to potentially have to start
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: with a lower amount, especially with our recent game found.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: It's just not realistic with this community right now.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: So I think that it's going to be closer to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: what we saw kind of with game found for Key Forge.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: And here's 50 or 75,000. Don't do that.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: It's a business venture, so you're going to have to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: take out a loan for the difference to be able
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: to get there. But that's the reality of the situation,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: that if you believe in a company as an entrepreneur,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: you're going to have to push for it. I can
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: tell you if you set for a half million dollars,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: I don't think that we hit it. Mm-mm.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: I don't, I mean, so I don't know how they, again,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how they structure this game
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: found to get the money out of people. Cause it's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: like you roll in and you're like, you're, I mean like,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: cause I, you know, it's like what you're getting a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: special edition version, right? Like that's what the game. Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: How do you get the $ 2, 000 pledges?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Or you get a little extra content, right? Like, that's
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: how video game stuff, you get some extra content, you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: get an extra gear, you.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, at $ 1, 000 you get some music separately,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: you get a picture book separately, they do some stuff
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: like that. At $ 1, 000 you get, you know, you get
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: a special deck, $ 2, 000 CTP will give you a handy.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, they could definitely put in custom name decks. Like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: then they're... I mean, it's... I mean, like, but then they're, again, like,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: they can sell Keyforge stuff, but that's really selling GG stuff. Like,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: how are they selling, how do they sell their platform?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: I don't, and I'm not the person to make these decisions, because,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously I have nothing to do with software,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: and I'm a dummy, but I don't see it. Like,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: how do they get more than 50 bucks out of me?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, they have to come up with something, right? What's...
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: What are the stretch goals?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: I'm not a person who's going to pay a bunch
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: of money to have a special avatar. That's going to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: be a big thing. It's like, oh, you can have
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: a custom avatar. Pay a bunch of money and.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what, just coming from someone
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: who's tried to get anything out of the Keyforge community,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: the Keyforge community, if you're not getting Keyforge items, is
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: incredibly stingy.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I think that's as true as you do. I think
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: because this has got a fully official GG stamp on
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: its back that they will do fine. Luxury Playstyle did
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: fine for a while when there were players.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think their main shit was in GG though.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: But I don't think their main... They're still around. They
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: didn't go anywhere. But their main products weren't keyforge products
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: there are magic products.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: But i'm saying they sold a bunch of keyforge products.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I i don't know how i think they might have
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: given more away than they actually sold.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: No they didn't give that many away okay okay but anyways.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: I i think i never got into it and my
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: problem with uh tokens will be covered on another episode so.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: I think there is, like, the number of people who
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: paid to have their art in this game. Yeah. I think...
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: You could then become a special avatar? Right, like, they
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: can avatar or, you know, like, what? You get to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: create the avatar for the AI, like, top level, like,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: so everybody has to see your goofy thing all the time.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: You select the part that's Joan. I don't know.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm not a person who has... ever bought into
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: the microtransaction cosmetic world. Right. So I, and that's, that's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: an interesting place with, I don't know. I don't know
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: if the dad market is a big microtransaction. It's community
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: or not. It's not for me. I know it's more
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: of my kids age stuff, right? Younger generation. They're better
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: for spending that kind of money on dumb stuff. It's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: just not something that ever did it to me. And
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: that is a common way to monetize, uh, digital stuff.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: $ 2, 000, all your decks. Digital decks are foil for life.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I guess you could do special cosmetic things.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: That sounds like it would annoy me and I'd have
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: to turn it off.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: I probably would. But it'd be too late because you
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: would have already bought it. Yeah, you'd have to create
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: a new account. I broke my original account but I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: paid for it to be shiny.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Chief Burner Account 2.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Well, alright.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: That's stuff people are already talking about, and that's a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: big thing where TCO ends up having its thing is,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: is this going to be strictly linked.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: To Master Vault?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: Your Master Vault, which means you can only play your
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: decks and potentially your friends' decks. See how that goes. Oh.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: But, like, you definitely, like, the whole way that ABR, well,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: the whole way ABR goes is just a mess, right? Like,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: you know, sharing decks all the time or testing other decks, like,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: that might be the TCO niche, which, you know, which
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: means even less games getting played over there. But there's, like,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: that whole kind of thing going on. It'd be interesting
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: to see how they go with all that.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, if the point is to sell decks and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: promote real Key Forge play, then that's it. You play
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: your decks.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, when a certain number of matches
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: at your local and get a free digital deck, I.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Don't know, you know, theory they could do all that.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw man talk about like, They can
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: definitely tie this in, right? Like, you know, box toppers
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: and whatnot. Like, once you buy the physical box, like,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: you can get a free digital, you know, KFO deck,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Like, there's definitely easy ways to tie
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: it in.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Every deck you open is already a digital deck.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, but then now you get the 13th.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: Both a physical and a digital.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: It's like the 37th card. Now you get a 13th deck.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Sure. I mean, it is, in theory, like... much easier
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: to sell a little computing power than the actual whole
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: printing process.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: So, each deck you now open is just a QR
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: code that you scan in to your computer.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's how Pokemon worked, right? Like, you'd
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: get a QR code that then was just.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: A digital pack. Yeah, you got a digital pack.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: With the pack you opened.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's interesting. My spidey senses are tingling
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: and I think shenanigans are afoot. Why do you say that?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's shenanigans.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think the people involved are the shenanigans. I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: think this is a long-term goal by StrangeStars slash Gigi.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: I think there's a long con by Gigi slash StrangeStars
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to call them strange stars now because
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: there's so, there's so many little ancillary companies that are
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: just a part of the strange stars umbrella, right?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: It's art. You gotta keep it. It's a game center.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: And then there's Fernando. Like he's his own little entity
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: over here.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: And then there's like the software company. And then like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: the printer is its actual own company. And then the,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: the machine that makes them.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Extrudes the, The little plastic circles, that's its own company.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Jeremy is literally his own company, right? But he is
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: separate from Jeremy, too, which is a part of this company. Yeah,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: other Jeremy.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: Is other Jeremy getting fired with how Oak is a
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: moment going?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's part of Echoes of Oak.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Hang in there. He didn't say what he was part of.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Hang in there. He just said that he didn't like
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Key Forge. It wasn't for him. I think he joined
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: the wrong company, bro. You know, and then there's Like,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: there's just so many different companies under the Strange Stars umbrella. Like,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: I just personally, I don't like CTP. Well, you have to.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: I just feel shady. Right. Like, I don't. Whenever I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: hear him trying to do anything, I'm like, how are
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: you trying to fuck me?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: Look, you just have to have all these companies so
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: you can, you know, mask the source of the money
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: by passing it through these intermediaries.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. Nothing illegal there. No, but that sounds fine
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're you're in the US, man. Like, all
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: I got to do is show a loss and I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: have to pay no taxes for our money.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: No, I get it. I get it. Don't worry, I
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: brought my lube. I know the shenanigans, right? I brought
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: it with me. Just at least hold me when I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: start to cry. That's all I ask for, but most
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: people don't. I'll do that for you. Thank you, I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll do you a solid. Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bud.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: That's all I ask for.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: Just.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: I just, like, I get the heebie-jeebies, and it has
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with Dead Sync, and it has nothing
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: to do with Riku.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: I'm... Whenever they're like, we're in a new venture, and
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: I'm like, ah, fuck. You don't have the first venture
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: fucking figured out, and you're on a new one? This
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: is like doing a side quest.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: That's how you get good ventures.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: They've got this venture figured out. It's you guys who
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: keep thinking they should be doing something different.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: No, they don't have their original venture figured out. No,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: they don't. The Yellow King's taking all the risk. Really?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Because they keep.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Getting the exact same thing and it's continuing to make
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: very similar amounts of money. It feels like they got
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: it pretty figured out.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Except this year where they made significantly less.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: Not significantly less.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: That's pretty significant. A little bit. A little bit less.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: But they also put a lot less effort in. Yeah, right?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: That's not true.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: So maybe their return is even better.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: They don't have to pay Josh to write articles anymore, so,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: you know. They don't have to pay anybody to respond
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: to my request to add artwork to Artforge so I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: can pay them money.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: I want you to bring it up at KFC, which
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: by the way has now become the PV Double Down.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: Raise my hand.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Why won't you let me spend money to buy a
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: mat with all my Keyforge friends on it?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Louis Campierre. Do we talk about that?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: Apparently they keep asking for the redacted mat and it's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: not getting made either.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: Well, that one, I wonder if that art is like
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: not available in high def or something.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, but any who's. Yeah. Forever.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: The, uh, um, but you talking about like the, the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: two chicken patties, like fried chicken patties, make it a sandwich.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're talking about? There was ham in
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: the middle. Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: It was, it was two fried chicken patties with ham
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: and Swiss in the middle. No bun. The bun was
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: the chicken. Yeah, man. Hell yeah. It was the worst
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: thing ever, and I ordered two. I ordered one, and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that was terrible. So I got
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: another one like a week later. And I was like,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, still bad. Fuck, I don't remember. I didn't
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: even get to finish my analogy, but that's okay. We'll
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: do it all later. But, alright.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Where do we want to wrap this thing up? I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: think we're all excited. I think we're excited for something new.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Right? We're ready for shiny new toys. We'll just play
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: it by ear.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: It's two years away. It could only be as little
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: as 15 months away. True. But their Discord has pulled
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: out several has-beens in the Keyforge world.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: We don't call them that here. We call them old friends.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Once was. That's so nice. Now back to Hespens.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Hespens. That are back and interested. There is money
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: available for this that has not been available for more
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: physical product. Is there a lot of it?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: They get to find out.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: There are some names in here I have not seen.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: In a long time.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Like a long time.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: Let's wrap this up. All right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Mr. Ewok, what do you got, my boy? I'm excited.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: I'm glad to see that some of our amazing community
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: organizers are part of this venture, and I look forward
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: to hearing more about it at KFC.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Draft score.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm pumped. I'm ready for this. That was not
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: what I was looking for, but okay. Oh, what do
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: you need? You're just like, yeah, and that was kind
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: of the end of it.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Are we forging? No, we're not quite there yet, but
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: it's okay. What's going on?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: I'm excited. I just very much hope that it's a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: real business plan and not a Keyforge community stepping up
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: to to cover again. Like, ah, I, I hate, I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: got bad news for you. And I hope it fails
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: and they go, yeah.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Like I know that the.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: Community has, yeah, we've talked about it. I do not
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: believe the community should continue to support Gigi. Like it,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: if the money's there, absolutely.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: Well, then maybe this is the stepping stone where we
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: as the community get a chance to be able to
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 6: take the algorithm and be able to move on from GG.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: Because honestly, our community is amazing. And there are many games,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: Star Wars minis that I was a part of. It
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: has been run through Blue Milk and through others that
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: have been there.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: You want to make even more fun about dead games.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are a bunch of community-ran games now.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: BattleTech being one of them as well.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Star Wars, old Star Wars.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: Battle tech has an online component that has been run
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 6: for years and years and years.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, years and years and years.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I think, uh, as talking to Mr.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: Helmke today, I believe that he said is at least
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 6: 25 years that it has been essentially our TCO. So again,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: TCO did a wonderful job running. I, I think that's, uh,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: I'm excited to see where this goes. And if it
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: means that we have access for the future, with digital
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: decks and to keep this game going.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: Great. Awesome.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, that's going to do it for us this week. Uh,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: you guys are going to get a double dose. I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: actually won't know you're going to get a double dose because, uh,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: you'll get the first episode after I've deleted some things
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: and then you'll get this episode. So then you'll know
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: you got the double dose.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: Huh? We've made too much trash.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we made too much trash.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: I think our trash can is full.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: I think that you should have just gone ahead and
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: trolled everyone and just re-released episode one and two again.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: We've hit the end.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: We're cycling. Now we got to roll back around. But
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: that'll do it for us this week. We will see
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: you all next week. Be forging, everyone.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: May the forge be with you. Thank you, Yellow King.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: You guys are doing great work.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Yay!
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: I never conquered when it came to love.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: We'll hold such better days.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: Days when I.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Can still feel alive. When I can't wait to get outside.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: The world is mine.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: The time is mine.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: The tour is over.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: I survived.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: I can't wait till I get home.