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Which General Managers/PBOs should actually be on the HOT seat? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Let's have an open discussion about GM slash president of
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  Speaker 1: baseball ops under the hot seat. Some of this kicked
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  Speaker 1: off by our conversation about managers on the hot seat.
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  Speaker 1: We did a separate segment and video on that. So
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  Speaker 1: if you want to check it out, go for it,
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  Speaker 1: but let's talk. And let me lay out a couple
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  Speaker 1: of names that we're going to get to Nick crawl,
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  Speaker 1: David Stearns, Mike Elias, but KP, I'm going to kick
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  Speaker 1: it to you first to add a couple more to
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  Speaker 1: the table and we'll get thoughts from the crowd here.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you want me to add? I was talking
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  Speaker 2: about Chris Young or Ross, whoever you would put in
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  Speaker 2: the position, Texas Rangers. And then I threw David Stearns
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  Speaker 2: into that conversation too.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I guess my criteria would be with the Texas Rangers. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you're always going to be remembered for what you did
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  Speaker 2: and you brought the first World Series to Texas, right? Right.
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  Speaker 2: But how long do you get to pass after that?
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  Speaker 2: This team hasn't been back to the postseason since. They
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  Speaker 2: go out and win a World Series. They haven't been
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  Speaker 2: back since. They have the roster in place to do it.
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  Speaker 2: They brought in Bruce Bochy. He wins them a World Series,
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  Speaker 2: and then they get rid of Bruce Bochy, and they
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  Speaker 2: hire Skip Schumacher, and everything's great. It was probably time
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  Speaker 2: to get a new manager there too. But if they
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  Speaker 2: don't miss the postseason, who's to blame? Do you blame
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  Speaker 2: the manager? Do you blame the players? Do you blame
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  Speaker 2: the roster? Someone has to be blamed for it, right?
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm just wondering how long do you get a pass?
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  Speaker 2: You win a World Series, and how long does that
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  Speaker 2: pass last? Is it a lifetime pass? Is it two
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  Speaker 2: or three years that you're allowed to miss the postseason after?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm asking you guys.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, KP, let me say this. You love
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  Speaker 4: the Rangers, okay? I want everyone to know that you
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  Speaker 4: absolutely love the Rangers, okay?
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  Speaker 2: I do. I do. Okay, good.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to make that clear because we want
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  Speaker 4: everyone to know that you love the Rangers. Chris Young
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  Speaker 4: at least gets a couple more years. I think they
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  Speaker 4: won in 23. It's only been three years since they've won.
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  Speaker 3: They're in the playoff race.
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  Speaker 4: They've had injuries. That's the excuse every team is going
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  Speaker 4: to use. They lost their TV deal. They weren't able
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  Speaker 4: to make that money. So I think he's going to
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  Speaker 4: get at least another two years. And I don't think
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  Speaker 4: Chris Young is in danger this year of losing his
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  Speaker 4: job at all. I think he's safe. They've made some
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  Speaker 4: good moves. They're in the playoff race. Now can the
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  Speaker 4: players perform? That's what it's going to come down to
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  Speaker 4: for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with you too. I guess my
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  Speaker 2: criteria is, you know, they did go out and they
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  Speaker 2: made a great move in getting Brandon Nimmo, right? So like,
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  Speaker 2: it's not, I'm a big believer, and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: get to the next guy, David Stearns, because I do
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  Speaker 2: believe roster construction is really important. And what have you
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  Speaker 2: done for me recently? Did you go out and help
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  Speaker 2: our team? Did you go out and improve our team?
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  Speaker 2: And bringing in a guy like Brandon Nimmo has definitely
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  Speaker 2: helped their team. When you're sitting up there in your
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  Speaker 2: ivory tower, there's only so much you can do in
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  Speaker 2: order to get your guys to perform. At the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, it's on the players. It's on their
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  Speaker 2: shoulders if you don't go out and win games. So
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  Speaker 2: I do agree with you there, but that was kind
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  Speaker 2: of the bigger thing. It's not because I dislike the franchise,
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  Speaker 2: that I'm not a CY fan. I live here in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I root for them. I want them to do well.
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  Speaker 2: If it's between them and the Blue Jays, I choose
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  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, but there's no hard feelings. My question
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  Speaker 2: was more about how long do you get a pass
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  Speaker 2: after winning a World Series and and not even getting
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  Speaker 2: back to the postseason.
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  Speaker 5: I think as we go through this, I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: say my opinion about Texas, and maybe you agree, maybe
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  Speaker 5: you don't. I don't think the team has gotten worse
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  Speaker 5: in the sense of, like, this is concerning, and these
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  Speaker 5: are decisions that are being made by the general manager,
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  Speaker 5: by the president of baseball operations. But, you know, you
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  Speaker 5: watch the team more. To me, it looks like they
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  Speaker 5: tried to address the issue of can't hit four-seam fastballs.
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  Speaker 5: They brought in Kyle Higashioka to be a backup catcher,
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  Speaker 5: Jock Peterson, Jake Berger. You know what? They had kind
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  Speaker 5: of an albatross of a contract in Marcus Simeon. They
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  Speaker 5: brought in Nimmo for that, like you had mentioned. Do
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  Speaker 5: you feel like they have addressed issues and then the
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  Speaker 5: players just haven't won on the field?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they tried everything even last year when
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  Speaker 2: I was here. I mean, they didn't like the way
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  Speaker 2: you know, Donnie Eckler was running the hitting meetings or
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  Speaker 2: the philosophy they had. So they got rid of them
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  Speaker 2: and then they hired within. They brought in different hitting coaches.
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  Speaker 2: They went out and they've definitely brought in players. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a lack of being able to go out and
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  Speaker 2: improve your roster. You mentioned all those guys. They go
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  Speaker 2: out and get Mackenzie Gore this year to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: add to their already really good rotation with Jacob deGrom
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  Speaker 2: and Nathan Evaldi and Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they went out and made the moves, you know? So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, my bigger question was
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  Speaker 2: just how long did you get that pass for? Whether
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  Speaker 2: it's this year, next year, two years from now, it
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  Speaker 2: felt worthy at least bringing up. And it's not because
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  Speaker 2: I dislike the organization. It's just, it was more curious
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  Speaker 2: because yes, he's done a good job in going out
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  Speaker 2: and making moves to bring in a Mackenzie Gore and
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  Speaker 2: a Brandon Nimmo. And like you said, addressing a certain
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  Speaker 2: area of, a weakness that they had in hitting four-seam
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  Speaker 2: fastballs and going out and getting the guys that you mentioned. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was more just a question I had to you guys.
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  Speaker 2: How long do you get a pass after winning a
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  Speaker 2: World Series? And some of these other guys on this
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  Speaker 2: list don't have that, you know, they don't have a
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  Speaker 2: World Series championship that is keeping them employed for maybe
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  Speaker 2: a longer period than they probably deserve.
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  Speaker 1: That was the next name that you brought up, so
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you state the case there while I tell
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  Speaker 1: everyone the likelihood that he is back is probably in
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  Speaker 1: the 80% to 90% range. I mean, I know sometimes
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  Speaker 1: when someone comes out and says something, it's the dreaded
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  Speaker 1: vote of confidence, but it did appear genuine that owner
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  Speaker 1: Steve Cohen said, hey, he's going to get another year
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  Speaker 1: here to write out the contract and do whatever the
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  Speaker 1: contract was, what five-year plan, do his thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I agree with you. He's probably not
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  Speaker 2: going to, but in terms of people that you can
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  Speaker 2: make an argument and it would be maybe justified that
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  Speaker 2: maybe they, they do get fired. To me, it really
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  Speaker 2: comes down to roster construction. You just put too many
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  Speaker 2: guys in positions that they've never really played before. And you,
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  Speaker 2: and then you'll talk about run prevention and you're talking
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  Speaker 2: about having a first baseman who's never played first base,
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  Speaker 2: you're moving Boba Shett, a shortstop who had to learn
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  Speaker 2: second base due to an injury during the post season.
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  Speaker 2: Now putting them at third base, it just seemed odd to, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, talk about roster construction and then go out
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  Speaker 2: and do something like that. And then the idea that
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  Speaker 2: you have Steve Cohen and, and potentially there's blank check
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  Speaker 2: to go out and go out and get the best
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  Speaker 2: players in the world and not bring a guy like
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  Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo back, um, for whatever reason, a guy who's
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  Speaker 2: beloved there, who has performed in New York. And that's
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  Speaker 2: also another thing that's not maybe factored in a lot
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  Speaker 2: for some of these other players. If you've never played
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  Speaker 2: in New York, it's just a different beast. And when
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  Speaker 2: you have a guy like Pete Alonzo, who's only ever
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  Speaker 2: performed under those bright lights of New York City, and
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  Speaker 2: you let him walk out the door, you can make
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  Speaker 2: an argument for his job. And I know Crassius probably
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  Speaker 2: has a difference of opinion because He has history with
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  Speaker 2: him and trusts his plan. But it just feels like
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  Speaker 2: when you try to implement sort of this small market
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  Speaker 2: idea that maybe worked in a small market and you
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  Speaker 2: take it to a big market like New York City
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't work out, someone's got to be to blame.
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  Speaker 5: And obviously it's going to fall on Stern's shoulder. Unless,
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  Speaker 5: is there a way he can salvage it this offseason,
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  Speaker 5: in your opinion?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are we playing this season? I mean, are
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  Speaker 2: we acting under the assumption that, you know, normal free
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  Speaker 2: agency and stuff? I mean, you got to go build
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  Speaker 2: a rotation. You got to maybe go even go overspend
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  Speaker 2: or trade, dip into that prospect pool that you may
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  Speaker 2: have and go out and get some starting pitching, no
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  Speaker 2: matter what the cost is.
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  Speaker 5: So no. So then the answer is no, because he
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  Speaker 5: has not ever dipped into free agent pitching. He is not,
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't like... He doesn't allow that five, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: not even five or three plus year deals to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then if he's not willing to do that, then
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  Speaker 2: probably not. I mean, I think that's the only way
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  Speaker 2: he could do it. And potentially does he, I think
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  Speaker 2: there's a way he can operate sort of under this
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  Speaker 2: idea of, hey, I came from a small market and
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  Speaker 2: I was very successful and this is the way that
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  Speaker 2: we did it. And we're going to continue to do
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those things. We're going to build within,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to, You know, spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: and money and resources in developing our players at the
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  Speaker 2: lower levels of the minor leagues up through the minor leagues.
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  Speaker 2: but also act like you're in New York city and
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  Speaker 2: you have an owner that's wanting to desperately bring a
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  Speaker 2: world series back to the city of New York for
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  Speaker 2: the Mets. Can he blend those two? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You know him better than I do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: KP. I love it, but I think there's a 0% chance.
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  Speaker 4: That David Stearns gets fired this offseason because he's going
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  Speaker 4: to use the same excuse that all GMs use. First
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  Speaker 4: of all, it was his first year really in charge, right?
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  Speaker 4: So he's going to say, okay, we made some mistakes,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm going to learn from him and I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to get better. And, you know, so-and-so saying that didn't
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  Speaker 4: work out. He wasn't my signing or whatever the excuses
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  Speaker 4: that they're going to use.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that.
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  Speaker 4: Also when you talk about David Stearns, You talk about
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  Speaker 4: Steve Cohen. If he says, oh, well, Steve Cohen didn't work,
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  Speaker 4: then that's admitting a mistake. And you know these guys,
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  Speaker 4: they don't like to admit they're wrong very often. And
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  Speaker 4: when you say small market to a big market, well,
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  Speaker 4: Andrew Friedman went from Tampa to Los Angeles. The difference
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  Speaker 4: is Andrew Friedman adapted quickly, right? David Stearns is still
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  Speaker 4: using the same mentality. Andrew Friedman said, man, I've got
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  Speaker 4: all these resources. I'm going to use them, right? I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to go make these big deals. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: go sign long-term contracts. I'm going to go get superstars.
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  Speaker 4: Where David Stearns thinks that the Milwaukee philosophy, well, as
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  Speaker 4: great as it is, and Matt Arnold's carried it over,
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  Speaker 4: might not work in New York. Because one thing about
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  Speaker 4: New York, and you played there and you know this,
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  Speaker 4: New York wants stars. They want stars. They want stars
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  Speaker 4: on their team. And with Soto and Lindor, they have
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  Speaker 4: two stars, but they need a star on the pitching mound.
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  Speaker 4: Whether that's Nolan McClain he becomes at, Or if they
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  Speaker 4: have to go out and pay for it, it's a
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  Speaker 4: Tarek school or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: At some point, you have to go get stars.
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  Speaker 2: No, I couldn't agree with you more. And I do
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  Speaker 2: agree with you. I just felt like it was worth
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  Speaker 2: discussing his name because, you know, anything that happens in
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  Speaker 2: New York is much bigger. And, yeah, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he gets fired. I think year one, for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those reasons you said, too, it's the owner admitting, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I made a mistake in hiring this guy in. Rightfully so.
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  Speaker 2: He probably does deserve more than, you know, really this
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  Speaker 2: is his first year kind of being in charge. And
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of the guys will say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: some of these guys I didn't even sign. They're not
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  Speaker 2: my guys. Allow me some time to do what I'm
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do. My concern is if he doesn't adapt
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  Speaker 2: quickly enough to the point you made about Andrew Friedman.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how long does he last in New York
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  Speaker 2: if he's trying to operate a big city like a
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  Speaker 2: small market? Because once again, New York City wants its stars.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go down to one of the teams you played
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  Speaker 5: against in the Baltimore Orioles, Mike Elias. Mike Elias has
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  Speaker 5: said all these things all these years. We can't get
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  Speaker 5: rid of these prospects. Wow, what a system we have.
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  Speaker 5: That system is now separated in the big leagues, and
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  Speaker 5: it's not been happening, and he has not made the
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  Speaker 5: moves yet. that possibly should or could keep his job?
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  Speaker 5: Should he be brought or should he be kept on
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  Speaker 5: to continue? I don't even know what it would be called.
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  Speaker 5: It's not another rebuild. It's just another run it back
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  Speaker 5: type of situation.
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  Speaker 2: No, and I think they're far away from a rebuild
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  Speaker 2: because they're a team that's not finishing at the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: They're just missing the postseason, which is probably the worst
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  Speaker 2: place to be. But is he worthy of keeping his job?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's debatable. I think maybe he missed the
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  Speaker 2: window of opportunity a couple years ago when they had
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  Speaker 2: the best prospects in baseball and they were kind of
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  Speaker 2: pushing that envelope of winning the division, getting into the postseason,
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  Speaker 2: going on this long postseason run, really maybe overvaluing some
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  Speaker 2: of these prospects that they had. And I do think
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  Speaker 2: some of these same prospects that they were unwilling to
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  Speaker 2: trade a couple years ago are now finally performing at
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  Speaker 2: a level that maybe they thought they would get to
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  Speaker 2: three or four years later. And then the Adley-Rushman trade
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit interesting to me, too. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you had this opportunity to go out and trade some
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  Speaker 2: of these prospects to improve your roster, to give yourself
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  Speaker 2: the best opportunity to win a World Series. Because at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, that's what we're trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: We're trying to win a World Series. We're not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: trying to build for the future. There's a way of
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  Speaker 2: doing both, and sometimes you're going to have to sell
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  Speaker 2: some of those prospects in order to make your major
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  Speaker 2: league roster better. But the Adley-Rushman thing to me is
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  Speaker 2: a little bit interesting. Yes, do they have a catcher
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  Speaker 2: in-house that is able to seamlessly kind of take over
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  Speaker 2: for Adley-Rushman, but the timing of which they decide to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of Adley and to trade him within the
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  Speaker 2: division to a team that you're now going to have
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: to see him– what was it, 13 times next year
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  Speaker 2: as well, is a bit interesting to me.
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  Speaker 1: bringing it up. We know it's three years for Stearns.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: This is his third year on the job. Just going
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: back to him for a moment, right? So he started
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: October 2, 2023. But I thought he was there for.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: A year or two.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Um, where he just was kind of not in charge.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: He was there, but he really couldn't do anything.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: No, no, he was, he was, that was time bloom.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Stearns was sorry.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I'm sick. So excuse whatever I say today.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It's, it can't be. Yeah, no, that's right.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, Stearns, we all knew Stearns was going to land
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: that right. He had a little in between period, um,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: where he stepped away and everyone was like waiting for it. But,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: That's when it happened, right? Kratz, didn't he take a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: year or so?
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: He left the Brewers when he traded, after he traded Hader.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: And that was like, I didn't really think it was
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: going to reverberate. So that was kind of his like,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I'm stepping away type of thing. And then everyone's like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: probably going to the Mets.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: And he did. So anyway, yeah, three years for him.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Some can call it early, some can call it late,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: but also second biggest payroll. in baseball and you're sporting
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a top three payroll every year, the expectation should be
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: pretty high that you've got to get this done in, uh,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you know, three to five year window. I mean, really
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: by next year, if you're not looking like a good
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: playoff team, somebody else should be figuring out how to
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: spend that kind of money. Um, but AJ, Michael, yeah,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I will pick you.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I love spending other people's money. I love spending other
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: people's money.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Um, when you talk about Mike Elias, I was just
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: in Baltimore, uh, Last week I talked to Mike. Listen,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: he says all the right things. He does all the
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: right things. I'm going to say this about Mike Elias.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I think the new ownership group really likes Mike Elias.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: And because of this run they went on at the
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: end of the year, I think that's why he saves
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: his job. Because they traded Adley. Okay, they have Basayo.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: They got Narvaez. They love Narvaez. They love Basayo. But
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: the pitchers they got, they are going to hype up
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: to the end of the earth. And Mike Elias is
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: going to say, just wait until these guys get here.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Wait till we sign Braddish to a long term. Probably
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: not going to sign Trevor Rogers, but we've got these
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: pitchers from the Red Sox. They're in our division. Look
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: at what all they gave us for Adley.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: When we have two other, we got another catcher from
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: the Red Sox and we have Messiah we've already signed.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: So I think he's going to stay around because of
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: those reasons. And I think the ownership group really likes him.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: The new ownership group. They think he's done a good
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: job talking to the people that I talked to.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, fair too. I mean, I think he's done
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a good enough job in terms of, Signing up some
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of those guys. Shane Boz is another guy that they
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: signed up. So he was able to keep some of
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: these guys. And obviously the Pete Alonzo deal has really
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: worked out for them as well, too. But when you
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: think about the potential window that they had maybe a
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: couple years ago, and we've just kind of been waiting
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: for this Baltimore Orioles team to take the next step.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: We've all heard about these young prospects. Then you go
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: out and get a guy like Pete Alonzo. You go
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: out and you kind of sign, go out and get
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: a Shane Ball. You get him to sign up there
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: for the long haul. Same with Kyle Braddish. He's doing
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: some great things there, but how much patience is the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: fan base going to have?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Last one I wanted to do in the Midwest, actually,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: a team that's not getting talked about for a good
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: chunk of the year because they just haven't been in it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: But the Reds, and this was brought up in Robert Murray,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: one of our insiders and a fan side of He
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: wrote after the deadline, there was plenty of criticism for
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: what the Reds didn't do. And remember, Jim Bowden, former
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Reds GM, came on our show and was like, yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: they were taking sleeping pills. And in this article from
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Robert Murray, he said the asking price was high and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: organizations were stunned for Tyler Steele. Tyler Stevenson is about
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to hit free agency. You cannot keep an asset like
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that if he's going to hit that. And I mean,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: maybe you're thinking you're going to extend him.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Other than that, I mean, this is not a team
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that can be like, we're just going to keep him
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: for fun. Like they're not in it. Why would they
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: do that? And I'm wondering if the red should be
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: under the microscope a little bit here.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: KP, Ellie De.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: La Cruz getting close to free agency.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you need to sell at the deadline.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And I think it's the classic case of potentially overvaluating
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: either a prospect or a current guy on your roster. Obviously,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you are trying to potentially take advantage of another team
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: who may be desperate for the catching position or the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: first base position or starting position that you have. And
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: this year, you know, with how many teams were in
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the playoff race, it was definitely a seller's market. You
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: had the ability to go out and sell these players,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: but to ultimately hold on to a player that could
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: have brought you at least some value back that more
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: than likely you're probably not going to be able to extend.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: He's going to test the waters in free agency. I mean,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: if it hasn't happened at this point, what makes you
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: believe that it's going to happen between now and the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: end of the year? And if I'm a player like
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Tyler Stevenson, who's, gone through the system, who's served his time,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and finally gets an opportunity to be a free agent,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't he test the free agent market? So, you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: there's probably a number of other things that we could
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: come up with over the last couple of years of
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: why Nick Kroll potentially deserves to be let go. But,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you know, you're talking recent history of maybe overvaluating a
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: catcher who's not necessarily having an all-star type of year,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and maybe you're asking for an all-star type of return
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: for him. to me is something that you would have
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to look at as the president or even the owner
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of the team.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. And I know, yeah, the receiving stats
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: are not perfect, but the bat's pretty good, and it's
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: still a big league catcher that I think could have
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: helped out a team. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Reds didn't feel like anyone was really offering them anything.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I mean, the Reds, they've been
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a massive disappointment this year. All right, so that's it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: kp good stuff man thanks for the extended time good
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to see you dude see you guys anytime