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  Speaker 1: If you're Cleveland right now, when you look at their
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  Speaker 1: farm system, do you need to consider Kwan Class A
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  Speaker 1: Santana moving them to try to get six or seven
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  Speaker 1: young players to kind of rebuild this lineup.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 3: It's JB.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Bowden, our resident GM, joining us right now on
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  Speaker 2: FT JB. Good to see you, and you know how
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  Speaker 2: it is. The draft happens, then the All Star Game
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  Speaker 2: in the Derby happens, and then trade talk happens for
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  Speaker 2: the next couple weeks. So let's officially crank open the door.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be chatting with you more frequently over the next
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  Speaker 2: couple weeks. And I would like to start with two
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  Speaker 2: pretty big market teams that are making a push after
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  Speaker 2: some disappointing seasons before this one, Cubs Blue Jays. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen recent articles of yours point out how both teams
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  Speaker 2: need some starting pitching. Can you elaborate on that for us?
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  Speaker 2: And do you have any names in mind?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I do, And the Cubs and Jay aren't alone, right,
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  Speaker 1: You got to put in there the Astros. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: put in their Yankees and Red Sox as well, because
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  Speaker 1: they're all going after the same starting pitching group.
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  Speaker 3: That we all expect to be traded.
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  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, the Cubs are all in Jed Hoyer,
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  Speaker 1: their presidents on his free agent Walkier.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna do anything he can to win right now.
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  Speaker 1: And the Blue Jays have been very clear with opposing
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  Speaker 1: GMS that their goal is to add another starting pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: And I think both teams are going to be aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: So the market's kind of thin, right. Sandy al Contra
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  Speaker 1: has fizzled enough in July that I don't think he
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  Speaker 1: can make enough starts to get traded.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think his value is going to go up.
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  Speaker 1: And people that thought Freddy Peralt is going to be traded, No,
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be pitching in a playoff game for Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 3: And so, you know, I think some of the guys
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  Speaker 3: that we thought were going to be traded are not
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  Speaker 3: going to be.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about another one in Zach Allen, who
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  Speaker 1: has been so bad that his trade value is diminished
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  Speaker 1: to the point of almost shocking.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So who is going to get traded? Mitch Keller
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  Speaker 3: or the Pirates?
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  Speaker 1: He gone, right, Merrill Kelly, good chance he goes with Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to get Edward Cabrera from Miami, but you
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  Speaker 1: have to really overpay to get him. Everybody's waiting to
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  Speaker 1: see if Kansas City continues to fall out of it
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  Speaker 1: some more, because there is a feeling that maybe Seth
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  Speaker 1: Lugo and or Michael Waka could get moved. If that happens,
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  Speaker 1: people are waiting on the Angels to see if you
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  Speaker 1: say Kakuchi is gonna get moved, will Sonny gray Wade
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  Speaker 1: the no trade and Saint Louis end up at the
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  Speaker 1: deadline trading him, And then the most obvious two other
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  Speaker 1: guys that probably will get moved, Charlie Morton and Sigano
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  Speaker 1: with the Baltimoreals. So those are the groups of pitchers
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  Speaker 1: that these teams are chasing, and it's gonna be fun
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  Speaker 1: to see. And I've said this before, the general manager
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  Speaker 1: and team president in the last two weeks in July
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  Speaker 1: are just as important as the star players because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times the moves they make or don't make
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  Speaker 1: will have as much to do of who wins the
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  Speaker 1: division or makes the playoffs and who doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, a couple of things you just brought up in
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  Speaker 4: that whole thing. First, I used to Hawk Harrelson is them,
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  Speaker 4: so I give you credit for that. The sweaterers terrible,
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  Speaker 4: but the Hawk harrelson ism kind of makes up for
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  Speaker 4: the sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, just Son is the GM of USC agent.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll give you half a pass on that only
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  Speaker 4: because I have a Reggie Bush side jersey hanging on
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  Speaker 4: my wall.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the pass.
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  Speaker 2: Go.
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  Speaker 4: But said Heisman, he lost and now he got it back,
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  Speaker 4: so it's worth more now, So thank you. But you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned some of these guys that are getting traded, How
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  Speaker 4: how in depth? How deep are the Cubs and Jay's
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  Speaker 4: willing to go for some of these guys that we're
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  Speaker 4: not so sure are going to change their future and
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  Speaker 4: get them to the World Series. So how heavily invested
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  Speaker 4: will some of these teams go?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think in the two teams you're mentioning specifically,
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs continue to dangle Owen Cassie and Kevin olcntra,
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  Speaker 1: so I think they're willing to trade one of those
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  Speaker 1: two outfielders to get the starting pitcher. You know, they
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  Speaker 1: do match up well with the Pittsburgh Pirates, who desperately
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  Speaker 1: need offense. Cassie could be the starting left fielder for
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if they make that deal.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the Cubs are gonna try to make
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  Speaker 1: a run at Kyle Tucker to bring him back. And
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  Speaker 1: they also have all contra so they have a little
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  Speaker 1: depth in the outfield if they trade Cassie. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's about as far as the Cubs go.
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  Speaker 1: And then I think in terms of the Blue Jays,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the.
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  Speaker 3: Gloves are off. I mean they're really open.
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  Speaker 1: They're smelling that they can make the playoffs, they're smelling
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  Speaker 1: that they can win. And so I think that in
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  Speaker 1: terms of their farm system, especially knowing that again Mark
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  Speaker 1: Chapara and Ross.
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  Speaker 3: Atkins, their contracts are up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if they can sit there and make the postseason,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna get long term contracts.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna do whatever it takes. I'm just telling you
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, they're willing to trade their top prospects to
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  Speaker 1: try to win.
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  Speaker 3: Right now.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. I like it. As a player, I won't.
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  Speaker 4: I always one of my team to try to win,
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  Speaker 4: So I like it. I like the Jays and everybody else.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go Jay's Cubs. Whoever it is, let's go get
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  Speaker 4: all in now. Teams that need reliever help, Tigers, Phillies
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  Speaker 4: for sure. Is there any other teams out there and
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  Speaker 4: what are their options for relievers?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Great question. The Mets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Phillies and Mets in the same division are
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  Speaker 1: fighting for the relievers and to trade as well.
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  Speaker 3: As you mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, when we talk about relievers, every
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  Speaker 1: contending team wants to upgrade the relievers.
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  Speaker 3: I was talking to the Astros today.
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  Speaker 1: They want a reliever along along with a starter and
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  Speaker 1: a left handed bat.
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  Speaker 3: It's just what you do, as you guys know.
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  Speaker 1: But the three teams we just mentioned, or you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially the Tigers and Phillies, you know, they could go
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  Speaker 1: huge here, right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the Mets are gonna go huge.
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  Speaker 1: They've got Daz that they're they're they're pretty solid back there,
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  Speaker 1: but they're in the mix.
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  Speaker 3: So who's gonna go? The Pirates are gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Trade David Bednar and Dennis Santana likelihood they're gonna go.
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  Speaker 1: So teams like the Tigers, the Phillies and Mets are
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  Speaker 1: engaged with ben Cherrington. We all know Pittsburgh's needs. Again,
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  Speaker 1: it's young hitters that are not arbitration eligible.
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  Speaker 3: That they can control.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Cherrington to save his job has to have a
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  Speaker 1: good trade deadline, which means Bennar saying, hann of Calla,
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  Speaker 1: they go maybe more. I keep hearing Emmanuel Classe's name,
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  Speaker 1: and I think Cleveland's at the point now where they're
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  Speaker 1: looking at their lineup. They're twenty six and run scored
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  Speaker 1: twentieth in home runs, and they're feeling like, look, we
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  Speaker 1: can put Kate Smith closing.
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  Speaker 3: Let's move on from Class A.
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  Speaker 1: He's got an affordable contract, he's signed. We can do
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  Speaker 1: well prospect wise, so you know, I think they can
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  Speaker 1: move them, and teams like the Phillies and the Mets
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  Speaker 1: and the Tigers, they have enough in their farm system
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  Speaker 1: to make a deal. I think he more likely goes
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  Speaker 1: to Philly or the Mets than the Tigers. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure they're gonna do it trade them in their own
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  Speaker 1: division unless they get overwhelmed. I also keep hearing about
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  Speaker 1: the Twins relievers. They're not going to trade starter Joe Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: but they'll listen on Duran and Jacks. That's kind of fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: You've got the Nationals. They're gonna move Kyle Finn again.
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  Speaker 1: Will be using to see what Mike de Bartolow does
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  Speaker 1: as the interim GM over.
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  Speaker 3: There there are some teams.
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  Speaker 1: That think there's a possibility that the Athletics this time
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  Speaker 1: around will listen on Mason Miller. And there are teams
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  Speaker 1: that want to make him a starter. They want to
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  Speaker 1: trade for him and make him a starter, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: athletics need quantity of pictures in return.
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  Speaker 3: It would be a big package. But I mean, that'd
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  Speaker 3: be a huge get for someone.
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  Speaker 1: And again, as we mentioned earlier with the starters on
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  Speaker 1: Walk in Lugo, people are waiting on the Royals to
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  Speaker 1: see if they fall out of it, if they'll move
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Aestebez. So those are some of the relievers that
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  Speaker 1: everyone's kind of focusing on.
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  Speaker 1: do match up well with Arizona, right, because Arizona's got
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  Speaker 3: but if.
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  Speaker 1: They sell, I think the Mariners are more likely to
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  Speaker 1: make a deal for Naylor than Suarez instead of having
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  Speaker 1: a reunion with him. Swarez in the Yankees, swore as
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  Speaker 1: in the Cubs, and swore as in the Brewers, the
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  Speaker 1: three teams that I keep hearing if they were to
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  Speaker 1: they were going to be free agents. I was all
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  Speaker 1: part of the plan. And so look, whether he trades
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  Speaker 1: or not, I think time will tell. But Suarez, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in those thirty home runs, that changes things for the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: It really adds to the Chicago Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: It's a It probably wins the division for the Brewers Apps.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I think at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: it's what are you willing to step up and pay?
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  Speaker 1: Is someone going to overpay for two months of Suarez?
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  Speaker 1: I mean that becomes a big question. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a fascinating storyline, and I think how
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  Speaker 1: Arizona plays these next two weeks out of the gate
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  Speaker 1: is going to determine if they buy or sell. But
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  Speaker 1: I promise you everybody that needs a third baseman, and
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  Speaker 1: the three teams we just mentioned, they're watching very closely
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  Speaker 1: with binoculars and scouts in the stands on every Unio
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  Speaker 1: Suarez at bat, including when he got hit by the
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  Speaker 1: pitch of the All Star Game.
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  Speaker 3: I had one scout text me, go, oh no, please
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  Speaker 3: don't tell me. So it's going to be interesting.
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  Speaker 2: When I started seeing those tweets, with the home run
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  Speaker 2: derby swing off participants and I saw Gino Suarez. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, are they sure like the Diamondbacks online one
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  Speaker 2: saying absolutely not. I don't care if he wants to
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  Speaker 2: do this, and they did scratch him, which made sense.
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  Speaker 3: JB.
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  Speaker 2: I got another name for you that I think's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: I was on a Cleveland radio show the other day
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  Speaker 2: and I was stating my case for why this player
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  Speaker 2: should be a Guardian for life. Stephen Kuan is the name.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we can't afford him long term. When
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  Speaker 2: you have your fan base thinking you can't afford Stephen
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  Speaker 2: Kwan long term, you are certainly fooling them. I know
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  Speaker 2: that the Cleveland Guardians don't spend a lot of money,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not like he's going to command hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars. What would you do if you're running
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  Speaker 2: the Guardians right now? Would you trade him? Because he
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  Speaker 2: certainly provides that variety in a lineup as a contact
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  Speaker 2: guy was great last year in the playoffs for the Guardians.
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  Speaker 2: He has his limitations. Elite defender, great base runner. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: this someone you would lock up? Or would you trade him?
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  Speaker 2: Because you have to make that decision. Right, He's got
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years of control after this. What are
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  Speaker 2: you going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, look, Cleveland's got a tight budget, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's not easy. And although you look at Kwan, you
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  Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be expensive. If I'm the
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  Speaker 1: agent for Kwan, this is a go glove left fielder
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  Speaker 1: with top two in baseball and contact rate. This guy
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  Speaker 1: gets on base. You know what Kwan would do for
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  Speaker 1: the Padres right now? You put on at the top
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  Speaker 1: of that lineup with Tatise and Marilyn Machado and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just drooling down the left side of
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  Speaker 1: my mouth just thinking about it. And So if you're
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland right now and you look at their farm system,
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  Speaker 1: do you need to consider Kwan Class A Santana moving
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  Speaker 1: them to try to get six or seven young players
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  Speaker 1: to kind of rebuild this lineup? Knowing that you control
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  Speaker 1: Kwan for two more years and then you know then
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  Speaker 1: what then you either have to extend them and pay
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  Speaker 1: them what eighteen million a year? Sixteen million a year?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be somewhere in that range.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're the agent, you're asking for more than that.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a difficult question without knowing where the
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  Speaker 1: agent is. But I guess my answer to you is,
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  Speaker 1: I would be exploring everything right now. I would be
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  Speaker 1: exploring trade. Can I make a trade that's going to
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  Speaker 1: help me win because this is a really good player.
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  Speaker 1: I'd also be exploring trying to sign them long term.
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  Speaker 1: And if I can't do either, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: let him go through the system right now, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: readdress it in the offseason, or I'll readdress it next July.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's no gun in my head. I control
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  Speaker 3: them for two more years.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, don't the Padres already have Stephen Kuan
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  Speaker 4: is his name? Luisa Rise, Maybe you can have two
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  Speaker 4: of those guys. Batting average doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: Jai can't tell them, no, no, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Same aj They're not the same because Kwan's gold glove
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  Speaker 1: defense or Ice is a DH and number two Arises
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  Speaker 1: a free agent at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 3: And I can control Kwan for two more years. After this.
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  Speaker 1: Arise is going to play his last few months as
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  Speaker 1: a Padre. Then he got he won't be there next year.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the difference. Between the two my opinion, that's
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  Speaker 1: why I.
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  Speaker 4: Think batting average matters. But I'm not a GM or
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  Speaker 4: a former GM. I just play one on the show,
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  Speaker 4: so I get it. I get it, Jim, all Right,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. So here's my question for you. You're
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  Speaker 4: talking about these position players, and you're talking about teams.
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  Speaker 4: Just say they can't afford this, and it can't afford that.
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  Speaker 4: The Pittsburgh Pirates, right, Bob Nudding, the Pittsburgh Pirates and you.
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  Speaker 4: But they have Cabrian Hayes who hasn't been really good
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  Speaker 4: offense in a long time. But Brian Reynolds would be
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  Speaker 4: attractive to some teams even with this salary. Would they
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  Speaker 4: think about moving one of those two guys that are
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  Speaker 4: locked into long term deals.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to have a hard time moving Hayes unless
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  Speaker 1: they're going to pay a lot of the money down
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  Speaker 1: because it actually is a bad contract for a guy
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  Speaker 1: that just doesn't hit for power, but he can defend.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see him going to the Yankees,
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  Speaker 1: where we all remember his dad, Charlie and what he
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  Speaker 1: did for the Yankees and the postseason. I think that
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  Speaker 1: would be a good fit in I'd like him to be,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: you know, have a different hitting group, kind of talking
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: to him see if there isn't a way to kind
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: of improve it. Because I always saw him in VP,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: and I always felt like he could be forty doubles
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: twenty homers. He's never lived up to that. He's had
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. But I also feel like he's
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: got untapped potential. But yeah, I think I think they
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: would move him if they could have the right deal.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: And I think Brian Reynolds, I think there's a really
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: good chance that he gets traded first, just because you know,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: it's the market is so thin on outfielders, right. You
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: have Lewis Robert of the White Sox. You know, you've
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: got Ryan O'Hearn, who you know is a first baseman
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: d H type.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: There's just not a lot of bats that are out there.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think if you're the Pirates with Reynolds,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: if you could turn him into two young bats, you know,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: that would make some sense. I mean, ERG has got
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: to sell mortimercell and they've got a rock and roll,
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: they got a rattle. I mean, I would think if
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: you're Ben Cherry, don't you think that you're kind of
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: in trouble. I mean, you said, there with a good
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: pitching staff and you can't score any runs, you have
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: to do something about it. So you don't make the
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: deal with the Cubs and get Cassie. Don't be afraid
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: to trade Reynolds to Kansas City. You know who's got
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a nice prospect package, including an elite catching prospect you
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: can get back into. I mean, there are some things
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: that Ben needs to go out and do. He can't
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: keep going down this road. Look, the owner's not gonna
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: get any money. We got to hope the new CBA
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: forces him to spend money. But until we get there,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Ben's got to find a way to get inexpensive bats.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: And yeah, trading veterans like Reynolds and Hayes at this
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: point makes sense. And by the way, I'd like to
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: see both of those guys get a chance to play
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: for a contender.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: It'd be good for their game.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Agreed, I totally agree. But I mean Ben Sherington's got
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: to feel like he's on the hot seat. The already
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: got rid of the manager. Usually the GM is after
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: the manager, and Ben Sherrington's been there for a while,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: so at some point everyone's time is up, Jim, as
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: you know all right before I let you go. The
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: swing off was a big topic after the All Star Game.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Are you a fan of it?
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Heck, why not. Let's bring this into the regular season.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: If you get to the twelfth inning we have a
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: swing off, and think of some of the matchups we
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: could have on some of the big great teams to
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: keep the fans engaged. It would be exciting. I loved it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: My kid loved it. Who's eighteen years old. He watched it.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: He loved it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Every person I've talked to, for the most part, has
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: loved it. I think it's a great idea.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: It was the funnest All Star game I've ever seen.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was the best, because that eight
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: game in the Bronx, the ninety four game that was
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: eight seven, and as a kid, Reggie Jackson at Tiger Stadium,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and of course Ray Fosse thing in nineteen seventy. But
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: this was the funnest for sure All Star game. And
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: it was a great game.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: We had the power pitching of Skeins and Ryan. We
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: had the power bats in the nine innings with Rooker,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Alonso and Carrol going deep. We had great defense in
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the ninth by both Suarez and Olsen. We saw the
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: importance of speed when Bobby Witch Speed got that run
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to tie at six six, we saw six nothing lead
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: go to six six like we had all that drama
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and then we had this swing off. Now, granted, if
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I had my say, I want to see Otawny and
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Judge not Stours in Randa. Nothing against them, but I
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: hope next year when the managers set their three guys,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: let's get the superstars that. Oh, by the way, some
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of them that didn't want to do the derby put
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: him in to do this.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: That was the coolest thing ever.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was in my backyard as a
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: kid playing wifle ball home run derby.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: It was so fun.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: And then to see schwarbur on three pitches, three homers
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to win it, and so they win seven to six
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: because of it, like all I have five, All of
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: them loved it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: All of them were blowing up my text.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It was exciting. It was great for baseball. Now in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: terms of the regular season, AJ please please no, no,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: no, no please no All Star Game? Yes, I love it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You want to do it in spring training? I think
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: it'd be fun in spring training too. But no, no, no, no, not.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: The regular season of the playoffs.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Please no, Now, I'm with you, not playoffs twelve inting.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I'm interested, JB.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that as a fan.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I hold, come on, Jimmy, listen. You didn't probably want
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: the pitch block. You didn't want a lot of the
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: rules that are.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I didn't want the Manfred.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: You didn't want the Manfred Runner. You didn't want more divisions,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: you didn't want more play off I'm still stuck in
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty. You didn't want them to lower the mound when
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Bob Gibson was going a one to.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Two e R.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I know you are, Jim.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: I wanted all of it, and I love this I did.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: I don't want to lose. The is the guy throwing
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: BP didn't give my guy the right pitch in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: twelfth thing, and I better BP throwers.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Is one game the thrower. I had a game one
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: sixty three in nineteen ninety nine.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: That I lost to Al Lighter in the Mets, and
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. I don't want to lose in
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the twelfth inning because Evil doesn't throw a good pitch
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and my guy hits the wall.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: No, no, Hey, we're looking for the best athletes in
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: the world to play the sport, and I guess maybe
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: searching for the best BP throwers too. But yeah, I
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: think we're clear. I don't think it's going to be
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a topic, at least not for a while. It was fun, though.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: My last thing is mandate. You can't leave until the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: game's over now, so you gotta wait two more hours
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: for those private jets, Joe Tani and everyone else. Two
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: more hours please, so that we can see you potentially
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: in the derby that you're talking about. That would be
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the next the next rung. And I know the chances
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: of it happening, obviously, it's like a ten percent chance
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that you get that, But still that would be the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: plea JB. Great stuff.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: One last thing though, is you have to understand from
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: every All Star game from now on, I'm going to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: root for a tie. Yes, we all are walking for
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that last tie. And I couldn't believe what happened in
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that tie. And now who would have thought in twenty
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: twenty five we're going to root for ties every year.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Let's go, Yes, let's do it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, A lot of fans will go there and they
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: don't really care if the NL or the AL wins.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: They're just gonna want to swing up. Maybe we try
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and come up with a way to incorporate the swing
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: off into every game.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It's like the game finishes and then if you win
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the swing off, you had an extra two runs or
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We can start to get creative because
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: if fans loved it and it's an exhibition game anyway,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: let's try to make it more than a ten percent
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: chance of being in the game. Can we all agree
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: on that? Yes, agree with that, perfect JB. We'll hit
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you again soon. We'll talk next week for more trade
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: designe action.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Thanks guys,