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More Like Jesus (Discipleship Will Cost You) · Heart Check Podcast

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If you've ever wondered what is discipleship and what it looks
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like to be a disciple of Christ, but not just a disciple of
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Jesus, but a disciple maker, this episode's
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Yo, what up, everybody? Welcome back to Heart Check
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podcast. I'm your host, Pastor Los.
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Yeah, let's go and I'm so excited to be back with you
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guys. We are in week two of our More
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Like Jesus episode series that we're going through.
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If you have not tapped in yet, last week we started off this
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series with the title of invite. And really what we were
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discussing was stepping out, building relationships, being
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intentional to bring people into your life, what that looks like
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to be a disciple maker. We learned about what it is to
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be a disciple of Jesus, what discipleship means and how it
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flows from a place of evangelism.
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But now this week, I'm excited because we're going to go a
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little deeper. We're going to take a little
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step down a little more into this discipleship journey.
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And if we're being honest, this step we're talking about today,
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this is where it starts to get real.
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This is where it starts to get uncomfortable.
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This is where it starts to cost something because episode 2 is
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all about welcome, welcoming people now into your life, that
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next step of what it looks like to be a disciple maker.
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And I want to watch on this week especially discipleship is
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something that we don't do just as a program or something we do
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to accomplish what we want to accomplish.
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That man, I'm putting in this effort and this energy that I'm
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welcoming these people in my life.
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And the only reason I'm doing this is so I can be baptizing
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them in the river, that I can get them to put their faith in
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Jesus. A course that is our ultimate
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goal as people who know the truth of God that we are
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followers of Jesus ourselves. We want others to come find, to
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find faith in Jesus because we know that's where they'll
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receive eternal life. But what I want us to hear is
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discipleship isn't something we try to just do so we get the
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outcome we want. We do it because it's what Jesus
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did and it's us obeying him ultimately that we are trying to
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reach the person and the people who don't know him, that we're
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just going to let God do what only he can do.
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In First Corinthians 3, we plant the seed, we water the seed of
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faith, but God can only grow the seed to faith.
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So we get to participate in his plan, but discipleship is going
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to cost something to us. We're going to have to love with
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no strings attached that we're not doing this just so we get
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what we want out of it. We're doing it because it's who
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God calls us to be. That we're called to go love our
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neighbor as ourselves. That we're called to therefore
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go and and baptize all people, all nations in the name of the
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Father, Son of Holy Spirit that we're called to live out this
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Great Commission. Not so we get the result that
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that we want that we think to in ourselves.
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Well, man, I'm keep meeting with this person and they just man,
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nothing's changing. So I'm going to just bounce out.
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No, we, we are intentional to step into relationships knowing
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that God is the only one who can grow their faith that the Holy
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Spirit is the one who can Pierce through their heart and leave
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them close to you. We get to be, we get to be
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instruments of God in that we get to love people and meet them
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where they're at, but we got to let God do what only God can do.
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So this step right here we're talking about is a little
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harder, a little deeper, a little bit one that's a little
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bit more uncomfortable because inviting someone into your life
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is one thing, but actually welcoming them into your life,
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that's different, that's deeper. That's where discipleship really
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begins to take shape. Because now we're not just
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saying, hey man, let's go hang out, let's go grab some coffee.
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Then we're doing things that are kind of outside of our home or
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outside of in our hearts that we're keeping them at, you know,
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arm's length. This is now saying, come into my
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life, get to know me on a deeper level.
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I'm going to let you walk with him.
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I'll let you come into my home. I'm going to let you get to know
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my family, the people who matter to me, the things that matter to
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me. You are welcoming them now into
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your life. Inviting is just inviting them
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into a relationship with you, a friendship with you.
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Going to get coffee, talking to each other a little bit more.
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You know, maybe that's texting. Whatever it may look like now,
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this welcome stage of discipleship is you are
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welcoming them into your life. It means we start to do life
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together. You heard me say that last
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episode, Doing Life together. This is not just surface level
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conversations, but real life showing up for people, making
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them a priority, welcoming them into your home and into your
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heart. Now this isn't just someone you
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see every once in a while. This isn't just someone you kind
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of get together with here and there once a month, every other
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month. This is someone you are
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intentionally choosing to connect with on a consistent
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basis. Who is that one for you we
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talked about last week? For you to be praying for that
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person that you are supposed to be connecting to on a more
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intentional way that reaching for Jesus or someone who is new
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to the faith that God is calling you to walk with them, to now
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welcome them into your life. You invited them into a into a
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friendship, into a relationship with you.
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Now, what does this look like? To welcome them fully into your
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life, to make this something that's deeper, that's beneath
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the surface. That you are going to be honest
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and vulnerable and transparent in a way that you're not with
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everybody, but you're going to for the sake of disciple in this
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person in your life. And here's what happens in the
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stage. The relationship shifts.
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It moves from getting to know each other to actually going
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beneath the surface. Now there's vulnerability, now
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there's openness, now there's honesty.
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You start to talk about real things, sins, struggles, doubts,
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wins, failures, because life isn't always sunshine and
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rainbows. You are welcoming someone into
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the mess with you. They're messy, you're messy.
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All of us are imperfect. But discipleship, when I see in
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Scripture the way Jesus steps into people's lives, that he
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welcomes them into his life, following him, being around him,
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it's real, it's life. Discipleship can't be this
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facade. It can't be.
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I'm trying to put on a front and I'm trying to let people only
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see the best parts. Discipleship looks like letting
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people into the real and raw of your life that you are
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intentional to say, hey, come, come, come be in my home, come
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be around my marriage, come be around my family.
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See the ways that I not just succeed, but the ways I also
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fail. Being open to letting people
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into those parts of your heart. That is what biblical
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discipleship is. Real life, real, authentic
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Christ, sharing relationships and disciple.
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Discipleship isn't just about walking with someone in the good
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moments. It's especially about walking
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with them in the hard ones too. That is where I've seen just
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incredible connections and and incredible fruit from
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discipleship in my life. When I have walked with people
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not just in the good moments in my life, but especially in the
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hard and the bad and in the and in the mess, that is where I see
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the depth grow. That is where I see the other
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person maybe get to a place of them also now starting to share
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beneath the surface with me. We have to be the initiators of
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of confession, of honesty, of repentance, of stepping into the
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vulnerable with people 'cause vulnerability creates
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relatability with them that now they're more willing to even
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speak about some of the things. Not all the time, but I'm saying
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how are you expecting them to step into that space with you if
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you don't welcome them into that with it with your own self?
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Walking, Walking into this welcome stage of discipleship
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with people is letting them into the cloudy days, the stormy
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seasons. This is where you get into the
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trenches together, that you're not just talking it, but you're
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walking it out with one another. And that's where real
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discipleship looks like. It's not clean, it's not
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perfect, it's not always easy. It's choosing to be present and
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it's choosing to be purposeful. It's choosing to stay even when
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it would be easier to step back. That's the piece I will touch on
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in this especially. We are so quick to bounce out,
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to run away, to say, man, that's just too much.
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They're too much and we don't stick it out.
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We're not. As God describes himself, He is
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slow to anger that He is. He is abounding in love and
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faithfulness. God is patient with us and He is
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kind with us through His patience and we are called to be
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representatives of Him. We are called to reflect Him and
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his patience and his long-suffering.
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And so my challenge to you would be, especially when it comes to
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discipleship, why I used earlier love with no strings attached,
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serve in a way that's not for you.
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Too many times we step into relationships and for us, we're
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thinking about what we can get out of it, that what does this
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person provide for me? Listen, our inner circle, the
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people who are closest to us, as I've worded this many times, to
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the young adults in my life when I'm teaching and preaching this,
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our inner circle should be cup fillers, not cup drainers.
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Meaning the people that I do life with the the the most that
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are speaking into my life, that I am intimately involved in,
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that I call my best friends. They should be cup fillers.
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When I'm around them, they're filling me up that they're
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pointing me to Jesus, that they're leading me closer to
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him, that they're calling me up, that they are not people who are
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just yes, people, but they're people who will speak God's
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truth to me even in times where I don't want to hear it.
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They fill me up. They lead me closer to Jesus.
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They help me reflect him more in my life.
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Those are the people who are closest to me.
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It should not be people that when you hang out with them, you
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leave and being like exhausted spiritually and you feel like,
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my goodness, that was a lot like they drain you.
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They exhaust you. That never should be your inner
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circle people, the people you listen to most and do life with.
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But what we're talking about is discipleship.
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This isn't anything to do with what I'm getting out of it.
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This is who I'm called to be. I'm called to be a person now
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that reaches others for Jesus, that puts away my comfort, what
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I want for the sake of the gospel.
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I love it. I'll say it again.
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I said it last episode, Paul to the Jew, I became a Jew, to the
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Greek, I became a Greek all for the sake of the Gospel.
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Paul said, listen, I don't culturally do those things that
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I know I have found freedom in Jesus, that I don't have to obey
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all of the Old Testament law or do all these things.
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But you know what, when I'm around the Jewish people, they
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still have customs and traditions and culture things
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that they do. As long as it's not disobeying
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Christ's law over my life and who I'm called to be in Jesus,
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as long as it's not sinning against God, I'll step into that
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space with them. I'll eat the food they're eating
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or not eat the food that they're eating, that I will, you know,
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step into their traditions for the sake of the gospel because
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I'm meeting them where they're at.
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Paul had a heart of it's not about me, it's about Jesus.
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It's about the Kingdom. He's thinking about eternity.
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So when we think about discipleship, your heart posture
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has to be Kingdom first, not you first, not your comfort, not
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what you want out of it. You are a servant, A
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bondservant, as Scripture says, of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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So I will go where he wants me to go and I will love people
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with no strings attached because that's how he loves me, that his
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love over me will now overflow to those around me.
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So discipleship relationships is I'm stepping into them for the
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sake of the gospel, not for my comfort, not for my wants, not
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for my desires, not for someone that I really want to be friends
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with. And I hope that they, you know,
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love me in the way I want to be loved and show up for me.
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It's not about something that I'm getting out of it, it's for
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Christ. And I don't mean that in a way
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that you can't also build a relationship with somebody
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through discipleship. Of course you can.
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I'm just saying our heart posture and our lens should not
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be through the view of, oh, I want a friend that is going to
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be the friend that I need and I want.
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And what I get out of this friendship, no discipleship, is
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I'm stepping into the mess with somebody for Jesus.
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Then I'm going to walk with someone, even though it gets
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exhausting at times. I'm doing this for the sake of
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the gospel. But again, still with boundaries
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in place, I still have my inner circle.
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I still have people that I really do life with and counsel
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me and pour into me again, somebody who's also discipling
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me so that I can disciple others.
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We cannot function in discipleship from a place of
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empty that we can't our well. Our well cannot be empty or
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there's nothing to then pour out.
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So again, we have to be intentional that we're being
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filled up by God and we have brothers and sisters who are in
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our life speaking into our life and discipling us as well.
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This is this isn't the kind of relationship where we just are
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looking to have something that we get out of it.
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And I just want to encourage you guys that when you step into
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this also it's OK for you to establish, you know, frameworks
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and expectations with each other as well that this is something
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that, you know, we want to be a two way St. in the sense of the
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hope of they're getting out of it.
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And just when we think about Jesus as the model for
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discipleship, Jesus showed us Jesus didn't teach from a
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distance. He lived life with his
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disciples. He walked with them, ate with
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them, travelled with them, cried with them, corrected them.
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He loved them. And one of the most powerful
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moments was when he washed their feet.
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And then he said, I have given you an example to follow.
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Do as I have done to you. That's leadership.
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That's discipleship, leading by example.
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So if we want to be more like Jesus, we don't just tell people
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how we live, we show them we live it out.
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We are an example of Christ to them.
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Let people into your life. Let them see your walk with God.
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Let them see your struggles and how you bring them to Jesus.
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Let them see your faith in real time.
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Because when you let people in, you're not just letting them see
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you, you are letting them see the Savior who lives inside of
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you. That's a powerful thing that we
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get to be a part of with other people.
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But let's be real, this stage, it's hard because people are
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messy, people are broken, people can be difficult.
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And if we're honest, so are we. We are difficult.
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I am difficult. I'm hard to be around at times.
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That's why welcoming people into your life requires 3 things.
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Patience, perseverance, and persistence.
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Remember those three things? Stepping in a discipleship and
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especially the stage of welcoming them into your life.
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You're going to have to be patient, you're going to have to
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persevere, and you're going to have to be persistent.
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What is it? What do I mean by patience?
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First, patience means understanding that people aren't
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perfect. They're going to have flaws,
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they're going to have struggles. They're going to have moments
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where they frustrate you. But God is patient with us, so
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now we reflect that same patience to others that we have
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been forgiven of much, so we also forgive others.
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We are patient with other people because God is patient with us.
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And what does it mean to be perseverance in these
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discipleship relationships? Perseverance means you don't
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give up when things get difficult.
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You don't just tap out and bounce out.
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When conversations get awkward, when growth feels slow, when
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challenges come up. You don't run the other way, you
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stay in it. You persevere in these
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relationships that you are not just trying to make an outcome
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come the way you want it to or the timing you want it to.
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You're just being a part of God's story, God's plan.
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And sometimes it might look like you are just a blip on their
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timeline, that God put you in their life for this season.
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You might not be in it forever, but God used you to maybe plant
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the seed or God's using you to water the seed that somebody
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else might see the fruit of your labor.
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But you guys did it together. This is the part of the body of
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Christ I can't say to the hand, I don't need you or the eye, I
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don't need you. We need one another because it
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might be you might be the one that planted the seed of faith
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for that certain individual and you discipled them, but then
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they left your community or left your church and then they went
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somewhere else. And there was another person who
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watered that seed of faith that God used you to plant.
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But then guess what, ultimately God is the one who will grow
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that seed in their life. They'll bring them to a fullness
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of salvation. That is what only He can do.
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So we are just parts of 1 body. We are heavenly family.
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That is all being utilized by God for His plans and His
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purposes. And so you just persevere.
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Don't give up, don't get frustrated, don't run the other
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way. Persevere in these
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relationships, but also be persistent and persistence.
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This one is huge. This means I'm not giving up on
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you. Even when it's hard, even when
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it feels one sided, even when I feel like pulling away.
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I'm choosing to stay. I'm choosing to pursue.
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I'm choosing this relationship. That's what it looks like to
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love like Christ. God pursues us daily.
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God leaves the 99 for the one. And I think this is something
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that we can do a better job of reflecting like Christ, that we
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don't just bounce out when things get tough, but that we
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are persistent in the way we run after people And that we love
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people and that we meet them where they're at.
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That we go into their homes, that we welcome them into our
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homes. That we are patient, we
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persevere, and we're persistent in these discipleship
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relationships. And let me say this.
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Let me add a little caveat. You also need to be praying
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through and listening to the Holy Spirit 'cause I'm speaking
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these broad categories. And some of you may be listening
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right now and going, yeah, but like, what if this person
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started to become toxic or unhealthy or felt more
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burdensome or felt all these things?
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Should I keep being presented that?
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I just want to speak that real quick 'cause I don't want to
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leave you there. We all who have put our faith in
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Jesus have the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit speaks Christ's
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truth to us and we seek discernment from Him.
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I would encourage you to seek counsel in that area that people
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who know you and do life with you, who are more involved than
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I am as someone you're connecting to through this
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podcast, I would I would encourage you to pray through
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that because God also isn't going to keep you somewhere
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that's not where you're supposed to be.
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I always use this as an example, and I know some people can use
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this and run with it in an unhealthy way, but I mean this
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in a way when you're in a predicament where, yeah, I don't
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feel like God's telling me to keep staying persistent in this
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and persevering this and patient in this.
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I think I, my energy now is, is being LED elsewhere because I've
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poured in here and nothing's changing.
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This person's just continue to be combative that they don't
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want to hear me say anything about Jesus.
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What does that look like? And so I think there's a lot of
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specific scenarios to have these conversations with.
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I've had conversations with young adults through all of
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these. One who is asking me about this,
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about a friend who they've been friends with for their whole
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life and that they're always going to hang out with.
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So do I keep bringing up Jesus? Do I keep trying to talk to them
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even though they don't want me to?
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Like, or you have someone who's like, yeah, this is my Co
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worker. I don't really know like that,
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but I've stepped into this, you know, discipleship relationship.
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I've invited them and I've invited them into a relationship
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with me and I'm welcoming them into my life.
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But I'm trying to be patient. I'm trying to persevere.
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I'm trying to be persistent. But like they do not want me to
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talk about it anymore. All of the above I'll use.
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I'll answer that in two two ways #1 Jesus when he tells the
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disciples in Matthew tend to now go into the towns of Jewish
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people to tell them the Gospel message to to repent and and
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believe in him. He says there's going to be some
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who are not going to want to hear your message.
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They're not going to give you a place to stay.
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They're not going to want to receive what you have.
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You wipe the dust of the town off of you and leave that.
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You don't even let the dust of that town stay on you.
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That you completely turn away and bounce out because they do
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not want what God is trying to bring to them, which is the life
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changing message of the gospel. And so there are certain
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scenarios where I believe God is calling you elsewhere in that
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you are pouring into someone or something that is not where God
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wants you to be anymore because they've clearly said I don't
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want this. And so there is situations where
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that is happening or could be happening for you.
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But I would also say there is many times where I think we're
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quick to want to bounce out of a situation because it's tough.
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Where I would say to you again, what I brought up before, are
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you only stepping into discipleship relationships for
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what you get out of it or just because it's you being who
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Christ caused you to be. And so if it's because it's who
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Christ caused you to be and that we aren't always going to be
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comfortable and always have, you know, always want to do what we
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want to do. I would also just challenge you
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on that. Is this something you're wanting
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to step away from? Because it is tough because I'm
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having to show up for somebody and I'm having to love them even
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though they keep messing up and keep choosing the sin and keep
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doing things. But they are still saying to
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you, I want to, I want to know God more.
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I want to be more of who God calls me to be.
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I would also encourage you that you are messy too, that you are
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a Sinner just like them, that you have your faults.
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And I and I hope that you don't just run away from somebody
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because it becomes tough, that you don't realize what God can
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do within the mess, that our love can cover a multitude of
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sins for one another. So I would encourage you to also
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be like Christ in the way that you love people and are patient
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with them and persevere and are persistent in those
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relationships as well. So pray through that, seek the
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wisdom from the Holy Spirit and the discernment from him, but
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also through people in your life who counsel you, who you, who
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disciple you and pour into you. So let's get back to it.
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So when you look at the early church, this is exactly how they
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live. They didn't just meet once a
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week and go home. They did life together.
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They shared meals, they spent time in each other's homes.
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They encouraged one another consistently.
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They welcomed each other fully into their lives.
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And that's how discipleship grew.
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It was Monday through Sunday. Faith lived out in a community
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together. So let's make this real for your
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life this week. You already thought of someone
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in Episode 1. That was my homework assignment
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for you. And now here's your next step.
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Welcome them and here's how you do that.
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Continue praying for them daily. But now take it a step further.
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Invite them to share a meal with you this week and sit across
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from them at a table. Put your phones away, eliminate
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distractions and be present with them.
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Get to know them, really know them, because Jesus made meals a
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huge part of his ministry, and we should too.
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Sitting around a table with no distractions and just talking
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with people doing that around a meal is a biblical thing.
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It's pretty crazy to think about, right?
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Jesus sat around the table and ate meals with people and life
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change happened. People encountered the living
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God around a table around a dinner.
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And so we should also be willing to sit at the table with people
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to get around with one another, to just be with each other in
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our homes. And it's pretty crazy, but God
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can do some incredible things around the dining room table.
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And so I'd encourage you to take that step further if God put
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that one person on your heart to now welcome them into your life,
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to get around a table, to share a meal together.
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I just want to encourage you don't overthink this.
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It doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be intentional
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because discipleship doesn't happen by accident.
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It happens on purpose because we worship a God of purpose and
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listen, this might feel uncomfortable for my for my
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introverts might feel uncomfortable like me and Pastor
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Love's man. I don't know if I want to
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welcome people into my life. I really like to chill and be by
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myself. I don't really that that seems
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like that's going to take a lot of energy.
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You're right. It's going to it's going to cost
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something. It's going to cause some
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comfort. It's going to cost some of your
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time. It's going to cost some of your
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resources. It's going to cost some of your
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energy. But this is who Christ calls us
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to be. And just understand it's OK.
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You might not know what to say. You might feel like you're not
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ready, but you don't have to have everything figured out to
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start doing life with people. Just be willing.
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Just be available and just say yes.
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There's so many people who are lonely and lost in this world
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who are just looking for someone to say, hey, you want to come
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share a meal with me? You want to come sit at my
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dining room table? You want to come hang out?
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You want to go grocery shopping? You want to go walk in the park.
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They're just looking for someone who's willing and available and
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ready to say yes and to welcome them into your life.
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So I love you guys. I hope that this becomes real to
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you. This isn't just words you're
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hearing on a podcast, that this impacts your heart, that it
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stirs a fire within you to start to truly live out what it means
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to be a disciple of Christ and to be a disciple maker for
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Christ. I love you guys.
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Let's pray so we can get up out of here.
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Heavenly Father, thank you. Thank you for the way you are
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involved in every detail of our lives.
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Thank you for welcoming us into a relationship with you and help
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us become people who welcome others into our lives.
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Give us patience, give us perseverance.
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Give us persistence. Use us as a light for you.
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We are yours now and forever. In Jesus name, Amen.
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If this episode challenged y'all, share it with someone and
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don't just listen, live it in. Next episode we're going even
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deeper. So until then, until then, let's
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keep becoming more like Jesus. I love y'all, God bless.