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Overkill_ Nicholas Camfield_s Horrific Murder _ Interview With A Killer(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: You have a pretty violent record in here, several assaults
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: on staff.
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: I own a friend.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: It's my darkest killer interview. Yet nobody wants to be
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: your friend. If you treat your friends the way you
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: treated your best friend, right a window into sheer madness.
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't get what they can rush about it.
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: No, thank you, Peper Kenny. Number one, he laid in
• 0:37
  Speaker 3: a bedroom. Want to be a bloody They're not all
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: over the kitchen and there might have been a.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: Murder and the forensic phenomenon known as overkill. So the
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: minute he walked to that house, before he started chewing
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: your ass or anything.
• 0:51
  Speaker 4: You already made im hit this.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: MOK, where's you're hitting that in the temple?
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: Pretty good shot.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: He was probably incapacitated after the first strike. Why did
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: you keep hitting him?
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  Speaker 5: I thought I could either call number one or I
• 1:09
  Speaker 5: can kill him, And I said, I'm just going to
• 1:11
  Speaker 5: kill him.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: What happens when a killer won't stop at death? What
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: was going on during those three days in the house
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: with the body? You don't seem sorry at all, thank you,
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: that's not a compliment. From the depths of depravity comes
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: the case of Nicholas Camfield.
• 1:33
  Speaker 4: How about starting it?
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: They're about starting more so? How far did the cannibalism go?
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  Speaker 6: Parker Kenny Number one.
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: I'm in Springtown at a furiler house. My son came
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: up here to do a check on one of his
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: buddies and they're not all over the kitchen. Hey, thanks,
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: there might have been a murder.
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  Speaker 1: On January sixteen, twenty thirteen, a disturbing call came into
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  Speaker 1: nine one one on an otherwise quiet night just outside
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  Speaker 1: fort Worth, Texas. A wellness check on covered a crime
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  Speaker 1: scene worthy of a slasher movie.
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  Speaker 3: He's laying in a bedroom. My son willn't go in there.
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  Speaker 3: He's laying in a bedroom on a bed. Bloody, Okay,
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: is he moving?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: The killer? Nicholas Camfield was still inside, just feet from
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: his best friend j D. Daws's corpse.
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  Speaker 2: We're scared to.
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  Speaker 3: Go back in the house because the good may have
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: a piss. He's kind of crazy. I don't know if
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: you've ever heard of Nicholas Campfield.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Camfield was known as a ticking time bomb. Now
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: he had killed his friend with a pickaxe, and the
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  Speaker 1: horror continued for days afterwards, as Camfield mutilated and defiled
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: the dead body. The brutality went beyond what law enforcement
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: in the county and even the state had ever seen.
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: It's what forensic experts call overkill. Immediately after his arrest,
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: Camfield told detectives that he was hearing voices.
• 3:10
  Speaker 7: How long is the thing about killing somebody for the
• 3:14
  Speaker 7: gears and voices started taking in my head.
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: The shocking case was all over the papers, but just
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: as soon as it started, it came to an abrupt
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  Speaker 1: end within mere months of the murder. Twelve years later,
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  Speaker 1: questions still remain. Was Camfield truly hearing voices? What made
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: Camfield kill a friend so viciously? And why the need
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  Speaker 1: for overkill? What I was about to learn was far
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: darker than I could have imagined. Camfield is held in
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: a segregated unit inside this maximum security prison in Texarkana, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Officials here warned me about Camfield's propensity for violence, including
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  Speaker 1: several brutal assaults on staff. He's now on medication to
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: help keep him under control. All right, cuere nearly ready
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: just making the last tweaks to the audio.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, probably gonna shake her a little because of my prolection, book,
• 4:11
  Speaker 5: because of your what prolection to nipsychotic.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So really we're here Nick to try and understand
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: the mindset and motivations behind your actions in this case.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: Why did you want to talk to us today?
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  Speaker 5: And I just figured, if anything, it would help my case,
• 4:29
  Speaker 5: if whatever came down to it.
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  Speaker 2: But I never got a chance to appeal.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: You pled guilty, Yes, sir, there was no trial. And
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: is this the first time you're publicly talking about what happened.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: It's a good time to have this conversation because now
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: you're a grown man. You're thirty seven now, shaking, gaunt
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  Speaker 1: and withered. He's now half the man he was when
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: he committed the murder, literally, though he's still known in
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: his hometown as the menacing figure called Fatty.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: I was the fastest kid in school for the longest time.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: There are not that many images of you in the record,
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  Speaker 1: but the ones that are twice the size of what
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: you look like now at your biggest how much did
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: you weigh sixty to sixty.
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  Speaker 2: About one hundred and forty pounds.
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  Speaker 1: Now, wow, Before we get into the case, I'd like
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: to try and learn a little bit more about how
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: you grew up, what your childhood was like. I know
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: you have several siblings. Right, seems like you have very
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: loving mother. Yes, sure, right? Is your father in the picture?
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: Took my daddy away when I was a kid.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: In fact, when Camfield was four, his father was hauled
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: off to prison and stayed there for most of his life.
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  Speaker 1: The men who stepped in to fill his father's shoes
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: proved no better. It sounds like there was some violence
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: in the home. Was it your stepfather, Yes, sir, it
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: was among his boyfriend my marriage coming on marriage.
• 5:56
  Speaker 5: I guess you could say he was the one that
• 5:58
  Speaker 5: was a crack hand whatever whatever they're called.
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: I guess uh crack beend, Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Every time I was standing up to him to show
• 6:07
  Speaker 5: him I'm just as big as you are and holding
• 6:09
  Speaker 5: me alm, he'd punch.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: Me in the nose.
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: His mother kicked out her abusive partner, but trouble continued
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  Speaker 1: for Camfield. When did the drinking and drugs start?
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: Fifteen?
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  Speaker 1: Drinking and drugs, marijuana, nothing else.
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: I took some.
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  Speaker 5: Fools that were in my mom's room and I took
• 6:28
  Speaker 5: him to school for a Valentine's dance, and it ruined
• 6:32
  Speaker 5: the Valentine's dance for everybody.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, because you got I got busting Woollett. What was it?
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: Hyda Kodons.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: Camfield ended up with a drug felony on his juvenile
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: record and a love of partying. At age eighteen, aimless
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  Speaker 1: and idol, he made a new friend named j D. DAWs.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you had a good friend in JD. DAWs.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: How did you meet him?
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  Speaker 2: He walked into my house one day, into my mynga
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: relage one day when I.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: Was smoking bot just randomly walked in.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just walked in my garage one day with
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: the bomb. You get hot for sure, So we started
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: smoking my way out of his bomb.
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: The two bonded, and JD. Dawson his family through Camfield
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: a lifeline when no one else would.
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: Who is my friend? My best friend? At the time.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: JD came from a family of proud linemen and held
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: a sought after trade job maintaining utility poles. He had
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: struggled with addiction but was trying to overcome it when
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: Camfield entered the picture. Is it true that when it
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: sounds like you had nowhere else to go, JD and
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: his family took you in.
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir?
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  Speaker 1: Is it true that JD got you a job working
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: the utility poles.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, his dad did.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: But you were happy staying with the Dawson family.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: Wanted anything in the world. Why do you say that
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: because it was not a nurtured environment. Nurturing I was
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: happy there, I mean absolutely happier.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: And how did it end? Why did you end up
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: moving out of their.
• 8:05
  Speaker 5: Own jd wanted to move in with somebody else that
• 8:09
  Speaker 5: was a druggie.
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: After Camfield left the DOSses, he started using harder drugs
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: like heroin and K two, a powerful synthetic known to
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: induce psychosis, and when he couldn't get his hands on
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  Speaker 1: those substances, he drank himself stupid. By the time you
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: were in your early twenties, you had racked up eight arrests.
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: Some of the DWI incidents were described, including one incident
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: where you crashed your car into a ditch, and in
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: the car crash as you were found drinking gin right
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: after the crash. You're still drinking in the car right
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: smoking and drinking. That's incredible. He blew a zero point
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  Speaker 1: three four in that incident. I almost proud of that one.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: Did you feel like you were falling apart?
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  Speaker 2: I felt I was together. I don't really feel falling
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  Speaker 2: apart and I'm independentry.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: His desperate mother tried to step in often to no avail.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: One day, she found Camfield covered in blood in the
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  Speaker 1: bathtub and rushed him to the hospital.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: Then told my mom that I was psychiatric or not
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: buskits pard. They put me on and I was spared at.
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  Speaker 5: But it's like five hundred dollars for a one more prescription, okay,
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  Speaker 5: So we couldn't keep up with it. In it put
• 9:34
  Speaker 5: me in soide coasis. So when I went to County
• 9:38
  Speaker 5: the couple times and I tried to get back on it,
• 9:40
  Speaker 5: it put me even further.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: In South coastes, the dangerous combination of mental illness and
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: substance abuse made Camfield a menace. Police were called on
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: him seven times in nine months, including for arson. It
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: sounds like you're kind of spiraling twenty three, twenty four
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: years old, in and out of jail. Were you at
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: that point getting any treatment for your mental illness?
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: You're homeless squatting in a vacant school building, yep. And
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: whether why did you start the fire in the basement
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: of that building?
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  Speaker 5: Because I wouldn't allowed to live there no more? What
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  Speaker 5: do you mean the cops kept yelling at me because
• 10:18
  Speaker 5: if I can't live where no one can, that was
• 10:20
  Speaker 5: the mentality. There's still a mentality. It is, yes, sir,
• 10:24
  Speaker 5: if you can't help me, then I should I help you.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: So if you couldn't live there, no one could. That's
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: what you said, Yes, sure, and so you destroyed it.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: And where was JD staying at that point? I have
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: no idea you weren't in touch with JD.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the deal was every time I'd get a job,
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  Speaker 5: he would show up and tell me, uh, go drink
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  Speaker 5: and get high.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you wouldn't drink, and I'd be like, sure,
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: why or not?
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  Speaker 5: And then when I would get getting high by myself,
• 10:51
  Speaker 5: the deal was, you know, you need to get in
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  Speaker 5: high and get a job and do something with your live.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: Did you blame him for that?
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: We live in America and we believe in things like
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: manifest destiny.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: I noticed Camfield's growing resentment of his victim. There's something
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: very personal behind this murder and very twisted in the
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: killer's mind.
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  Speaker 2: It's like he took my drill g Emerney.
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: He needed me to, you know, pay for his way
• 11:17
  Speaker 5: into the boar again so he could rip me off
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  Speaker 5: for four hundred dollars.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: In fact, it was j. D. DAWs who had gotten
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: sober and after battling addiction for years, he was keeping
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: his distance from people like Camfield. But today Camfield reverses
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: the roles and attributes to j D a corrupting influence
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  Speaker 1: on him to justify his crimes. Do you see how
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: you're putting on him all these acts of aggression?
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  Speaker 2: It's Domiamberginity God.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: On January thirteen, twenty thirteen, Camfield's delusional thinking and resentment
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: towards j. D. DAWs would bring him to a breaking point.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Camfield would find himself alone with Dass in a mutual
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: friend's mobile home. J D. DAWs didn't know it, but
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  Speaker 1: Camfield's brain was occupied by murderous thoughts. Were you hearing
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: voices that told you to do this? Or was that
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: voice who you really are? Was it your voice to
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: kill him?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: In the winter of twenty thirteen, Nicholas Camfield was broke
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: and homeless, possibly even psychotic. No one knew quite what
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: to do about him, but everyone knew to stay away
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: from the creepy drifter known as Fatty. It sounds like
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that had been in your life
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: had basically turned their backs on you. Is that fair?
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Oh? Or challenge?
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: At times? I believes, I mean Camfield's circle of friends
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: had grown especially wary of him.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: J D.
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  Speaker 1: DAWs had drifted away, and another friend who owned the
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: mobile home had banned Camfield from the premises. So when
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: the owner went on vacation, he asked JD. Dows to
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: house sit and told him to keep Camfield away. But
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: on January thirteen, twenty thirteen, Camfield showed up there. Anyway,
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: you make your way into the trailer home where JD
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: was house sitting a friend's house. You were in, an
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: uninvited guest. How did you get into the house?
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, the door was kicked open.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: You kicked it open.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: Now, the door was already kicked open. It was we
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: were room modeling the troilther house.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: You say we, But I understand that the owner didn't
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: want you there.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: You were one of my real good friends.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: Well he was, but then he wasn't right.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know why it wouldn't be.
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  Speaker 1: It's also in the record that he did not want
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  Speaker 1: you there. Just a few hours later, JD. Doss, the
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: house sitter, arrived to check on the property and found
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: the intruder making himself at home. When he came home
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: and saw you there, JD was pissed, right.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: He was mad about the weed, that the weed was missing.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: I had smoked maybe your grandma what looked like weed.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: But he was also mad that you were there right,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: and you were eating up the food. And this is
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: based on what you told the police at the time.
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  Speaker 2: When he came in. It was like he was a
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: completely different person when he came in. I just the
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: love wasn't there none, There was nothing left between the two.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: It was, you know, get on or get it over with.
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  Speaker 5: Well, soon as he started yelling at me, I was like,
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: never mind, never mind, never never, never mind.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: They're not my friend no more.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: No, he was right. JD. DAWs was in addiction recovery
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: and had been trying to cut ties with Camfield. Camfield's
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: deep sense of rejection was about to boil over inside
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: that mobile home, but he would buy at his time,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: why needs to just leave?
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Because he was in the way.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: They finished washing close, you play some video games, tried
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  Speaker 1: to He falls asleep.
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  Speaker 5: Eventually he went to sleep and I said that you
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: know that son of a bitch, that sound of a
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: beach slepping me in the house, burnt myself in the
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  Speaker 5: strangest of wage.
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  Speaker 2: Right at that point, I said.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: You were going to kill him.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill him.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: This is sort of the moment of truth, right, So
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: tell me in as much detail as you can what
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: exactly happened that.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Night he fell asleep in front of me for no reason.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe he was just tired. It sounds like you
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: had a lot of grudge against JD.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It turned into a grudge when he went to sleep
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  Speaker 2: on me.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: He falls asleep and that was the trigger for you.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: That the trigger.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Why can you explain it to me? It doesn't sound
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: like some big insult or offense that the man fell
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: asleep in the house where he had permission to be
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: and you did not.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: Maybe I needed somebody to talk to that day, or
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: maybe I needed six that not, or maybe I needed
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: to ride that not, or maybe I just needed a
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: hug or.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody to say, you know, it's okay, bro.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: But why does that mean kill him?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he now hinders me.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: No, he's not doing anything to you.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: He's in the way because every time I get a job.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But somehow he's going to turn up or somehow he's
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: gonna call my mom. He knows my mom's phone number, he.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Knows my sister's phone number, he knows my little brother's
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: phone number.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Do you see how you're putting on him, all these
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: acts of aggression that don't really explain this.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Crime manifest destiny though.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: You saying the killing was manifest destiny.
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  Speaker 5: It was meant to happen for a reason, because everything
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: is meant to happen for a reason.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Why would you get so furious or psychotic and attack
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: him because he falls.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Asleep, because I just knew why it was time to go.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: It was time. It was time to go, you know.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, I thought I had clean clothed, I thought
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: I was safe for a minute to get away from him.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: And then he shows up and he wants to yell
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: at me.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: So I seen him and I said, well, I can
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: get the rock pick and just hit him in the head.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And then you go in the back and you get
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the pick axe the rock, Yes, sir, And what's in
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: your mind at this way? What's your mindset? At this point?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You're angry, pat him to the floor and still his
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: truck and drow lock.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Hill Camfield, may Well be mentally ill, but it's clear
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: to me that he's also criminally minded and totally unrepentant.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm more skeptical of the voices in his head
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that he blamed at the time. Was he sleeping when
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you attacked him? Yes, sir, defenseless.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Oh I hit him like somewhere in the head, and
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: he said, and I hit him again when he hollered
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: it was a mercy killer.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Then on. I mean, I'm.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Sorry, it can't be a mercy killing if you in.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: The first place, correct, But why make one more stomach
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: to fill when our mouse to feed?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: There's a person over there that we have to tube feed?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Or do you have to die? I'm sorry, but the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: toob breeder has to die? Yeah?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? Was anything in the world?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Bro?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Is this the voice in your head that you were
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: hearing that night?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: This is my psyche in June.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So the voice that you were hearing is you.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Is me? Is maybe it's God himself herself.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: When the killing was over, Campfield had struck the victim
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: at least six times in the head with a pick axe,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: but he still wasn't done. And I was about to
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: learn the ugly meaning of overkill. On January thirteen, twenty thirteen,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: wielding a pickaxe, Nicholas Camfield killed his best friend JD.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Dawes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: But he wasn't done yet. He was probably incapacitated after
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the first strike. Why did you keep hitting him?
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I thought I could either call now on one or
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: out from killing. And I said, I'm just going to killing,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: and then I finished it up. You don't let that
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: deer just run off in the woods. And just said
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: to God, I mean, you chase it down and break back,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: and you don't get in the head and eat it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But JD wasn't the deer. He wasn't pray, he wasn't
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a deer. For a long time, he was your best friend.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I loved his best friend. But when he left me
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and I left him. The excessive force used in the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: murder puts Camfield's case in a special category of homicide,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: what forensic scientists called overkill, when death itself is not
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: enough to satisfy the killer's bloodlust. Overkillers are motivated by
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: a perceived sense of rejection or a grudge, sometimes coupled
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: with a prolonged state of psychosis. For Camfield, it lasted
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: for days.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And over the next three days is where the other
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: tracks come from. Was just hidding the dead body?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Oh? Real in a way ken.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Meantime, Camfield was still in the mobile home and still
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: in the mood for murder and had his eyes set
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: on his next victim. Another former friend who came to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: check on JD. Your friend told police that he couldn't
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: get in touch with j D for days, and so
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: he went over to the trailer home to see if
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: he was okay.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Family, I was thinking about killing it, just to get
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: as many bodies as I could. He just stopped the household.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Camfield led him into the bloodied bedroom.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was shut him the body.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Why'd you do that?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: See if he wanted to bo get with the stick?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: A friend bolted out of the home, narrowly escaping with
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: his life, and notified his father, who dialed nine one
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: one Parker Kenny number one.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: My son. He ran out. He went down and called me.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: My son walked over and looked in a bedroom door
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and nurse somebody laying in a bed o.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Huh, We'll get someone out there to you, okay.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: J D.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Daws's body was discovered and Camfield was arrested without incident.
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: When I got called, I was it was approximately one
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: thirty two o'clock in the morning.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Veteran homicide investigator in Texas, Ranger Anthony Bradford braced himself
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: for a raving lunatic now in custody. He was surprised
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: by the soft spoken killer he met.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: It was the unconcerned nature that just stood out, the
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: matter of factness. I mean, he knows he just got
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: found in a house with a deceased person, and uh,
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: he knows he's been placed in a handcuffs and brought
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: to the jail. And yet it was like he was
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: there for a traffic ticket.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And in fact, Camfield went on to confess to the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: killing so nonchalantly it suggested something deeply sinister at play
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: amount of.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Acxman had got two o'clock. I'd stay around hitting him
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: with the pit for a while.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Just listening to him talk.
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: I remember feeling like, this guy's really yeah, he didn't
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: have both oars and the water okay, And and and
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: he he was so matter of fact. He seemed like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: you know, he kind of enjoyed it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Especially when Camfield recounted texting photos of his crime to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a girl he liked posing as his victims.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Like killed fatty, She's like he.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Said, what fun was like? He smoked toil the pot.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Camfield was revealing himself to be a proud killer.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I mean I kind of felt back, but.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Not really. I mean it was just one of them.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: A meticulous killer.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I washed him and put him in bed.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: What'd you wash him? My total?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Three kid and a sick and twisted one.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Figured skin because I was gonna put the pit through
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: his ribs and hang him upside down.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: It's sacking me.
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: It's probably the most disturbing description of what a killer
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: did to a victim postmortum that I've ever personally experienced.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And this is where the story gets darker, much darker.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Some viewers might find the details to graphic.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Do something so that was still him before you put
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: him in the bed and.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Twice did what? Now? How'd you do that in the butt?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Did you do it? You said you did it more
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: than once? Did you use a condom both times?
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: And don't put pickles in his astart to him?
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: Where did you get the pickles from the France ridge?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: He has a bitch too for eight.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I sent them with him.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: When I asked Camfield about these shocking disclosures twelve years later,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: he's justice forthcoming. A matter of fact, what was going
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: on during those three days in the house with the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: body necrophilia? Necrophilia, right, is kind of fetish with dead bodies,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: often sexual. I'm actually struck that you you identify it
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: as necrophilia. Were you getting pleasure from all of this?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I'm a porns dash and I was hot corn.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So you were getting sexual pleasure from it. But it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: didn't end with sexual assault on the corpse. Camfield would
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: also admit to mutilating his victim, and worse, there.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Was a scalped him too, kept the hair off his head.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: In that kitchen, police found parts of JD's scalp next
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to two open blades of a Swiss army knife that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: had his flesh on it. Right, you also had an
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: electric knife out. You know where I'm going with this, Right.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about eating it, sorry, thinking about eating
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: it at the time.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: He told police he had a long fascination with cannibalism.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: How long you have been thinking about that for?
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: I guess since I was born, because it's kind of
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: like bread in kind of thing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: Send it on to you in stuff hannibal lecter and
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: all like the serial killers off the TV and histrum books,
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: eat people and dragging people off?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And still how far did the cannibalism go?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Oh? I sat down with his like.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Calf in his foot in my lap, and I kind
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: of looked at it while I was eating pickles, and.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Change my mind, change your mind. I just didn't want
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to note more.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Camfield's appetite for violence and cruelty continued. Still hold up
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: inside the mobile home with Dass's body beside him, he
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: began texting women from the victim's phone, sending photos of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the crime scene to one and baiting another by posing
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: as JD. You sent her photos? Why'd you do that?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to talk to somebody.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: What were you intending to do when you used his
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: phone to try and lure that woman.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: To get laid? So what was your plan to get laid?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Like a son of a bitch.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Of all the killers I've sat across from, Camfield showed
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the least connection to humanity and the least shame. Can
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you now, looking back, do you have any sense of
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: how depraved, just how sick these acts were? At count
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you defiled de sodomized with a pick or two.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not laughing, I'm crying.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: No, you're laughing.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not laughing when I'm crying, you're laughing.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And what do you think that says about you that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: you're laughing?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't really crying.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: In the home town, Camfield is clearly deranged, but at
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the time of the murder it was unclear if he
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: was legally insane. He claimed he had heard voices that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: told him to kill How long he's been thinking about
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: killing somebody for?
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: Though?
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: The gears and the voices started taking in my head?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But did he really? Can you admit now that it
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was not some disembodied voice but you that was driving
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: these decisions?
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Well, took some antipsychotic meditation. When was the last time,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: I want to say, six to eight months? Who put
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: you on the antipsychotic? You remember the doctor?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Or was it while you're in jail somewhere?
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I don't remember, because like started to earning voices or something.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: An hour and a half into being interrogated, killer Nicholas Camfield,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: who had appeared sober and clear minded, suddenly mentioned hearing
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: voices the gears, and.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: The voices started taking in my head because when I read.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: The Bible, I wrote about the three Billy goats growth
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: like a story we read in high school.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Camfield reminded me of many killers I've interviewed whom a linger.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: The term experts use when a criminal invents a severe
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: mental illness or verbal or visual hallucinations to excuse their
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: actions and claim insanity. Were you hearing voices in your head?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You told police. You're denying it now, but you told
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: police that you were hearing voices that told you to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: do this. Right, I'm saying, maybe the voice in your
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: head was really you? And isn't it convenient to blame
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it on some voice or the devil, as people do,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: rather than just own up to the fact that it's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you driving these decisions? Yes? Sure, what do you think
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe it's just that I needed to come
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: to my circumference. I needed to find my synem.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Can you admit now that it was not some disembodied
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: voice but you that was driving these decisions? Well you
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: can't admit that. Why not?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Does unbelieve in God?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Right? But God? Wasn't the voice right? Your actions? In
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: this case, we were so depraved and went on for
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: so long that it makes me think that it was
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you all along. Were you hearing voices that told you
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to do this? Or was that voice who you really are?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Was it your voice to kill him? This finally had
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the ring of truth. There was no disembodied voice, just
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Camfield's own deranged mind, consumed by feeling scorned and driving
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: him to overkill.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I was abandoned. I mean, when you get kicked out
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of your nest either fly or fall, and were on.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't really make sense because he was in
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a home where he had permission to be not hurting
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: anybody raw except my feelings, except your feelings. And so
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: because he hurt your feelings and you couldn't handle it,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you killed him. Yes, sure, sometimes the motive is shockingly
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and simply evil. Camfield murdered JD. DAWs and defiled his body,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: enraged by a sense of rejection and at thirty seven
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: years old, do you think that makes sense? That's justified,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Like most of us get our feelings hurt and we
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: have to be adults about it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: You know where the word bizark come from? Where?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that what happened in your mind blitzkrieg. But
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: would Camfield's lingering pay off in court? Could he use
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: his mental problems to excuse his crimes?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Starts with the n insane.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: This is the place where I grew up. We're a small,
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: tight knit community. You basically know everybody.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: For prosecutor Nikkiy wrote, the Nicholas Camfield case was personal.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: We don't have murders often in Parker County, and that's
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: a good thing.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: But when someone does take a.
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: Life, I wanted to be one of the people that
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: made sure that justice was done, that the death was
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: answered for. In this particular case, I looked at Camfield's
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: criminal history and I knew that there was more to
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: this story. This was a person who continuously engaged in
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: criminal actions.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: When he grabbed that pickaxe, at what point did you
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: decide you're him and ahead with it?
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Mat Tommy came into the house, I'm going this JD's
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: only person who killed.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Yes bunch for out of twenty two run an armadillo
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: over one time.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Brought chasing scups. But the third quession I were.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Built In twenty thirteen, after confessing to murdering j D. DAWs,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Camfield was hoping to get off by reason of insanity,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but prosecutors didn't buy it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: I knew that this guy wasn't just an insane, you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: person who didn't know what he was doing.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I was skeptical too, Do you think you're sane or insane?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: And then starts with it an insane?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Oh that's not how you're spell insane?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You know that way.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I noticed that your lawyer was going to file for
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: insanity defense, and then that never happened.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: I couldn't wait to get it to trial, so maybe
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: the chance of insanity would come out.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, But there was a lot of evidence of rational
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: behavior on your part punctuating all the depravity of those
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: three days. For example, you seem to come out of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the zombie like state long enough to have dinner with
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: your mom, to confess to pose as JD and try
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and lure women into some kind of sex trap.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: But what about the if I get the hotel always
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: in County? I don't remember already any of it?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, blackout is also a very convenient excuse that
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: criminals somebody sometimes use. Yeah, I don't remember any of it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: We've seen that on our show. If you're not claiming
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that you don't remember this.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Crime, crime or anything you know WoT.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It was difficult to get straight answers out of Camfield.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: It was also hard to discern whether during our interview
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: he was actually in psychosis or just pretending lingering. But
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: police and prosecutors had to smoking gun to use against
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: him proof that he was legally sane at the time
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of the crime when he did those things? Were you
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: aware that you were doing all the same? And that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Camfield had admitted to police that he knew what he
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: was doing when he murdered j D. Dawes, and that
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: he knew that it was wrong. Under Texas law, he
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: had no claim to insanity. When you killed JD.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: You're aware?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I mean I kind of felt bad, but.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Not really.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just let you know what you
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: were doing, right pretty much.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Pretty much today. With that admission, Prosecutor Nicky Grote was
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: determined to go to trial and pursue the death penalty.
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: He knew it was wrong and he killed his friend,
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: and he did it in the most horrific evil way.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: It's really just pure evil.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Do you think you deserve to die what you did?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: No pbish having a bad day, a bad day. What
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: about taking responsibility for your murderous action. In the end,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the two sides struck a deal. Just five months after
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: killing his one time best friend, Camfield agreed to plead
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: guilty to capital murder and accepted a sentence of life
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: without parole.
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: As much as I think that this evil person deserved
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: the death penalty, there are reasons that he was given
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: a plea.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: We listened to the family and what they wanted, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: they didn't.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: Want to have to go through years and years of
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: an appeal, which is what happens when someone is given
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: the death penalty in Texas, appeal after appeal, dragging it out,
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: and that was something that they couldn't fathom given what
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: they'd already been through.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Camfield also agreed to final condition to close out the
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: case forever. He can never appeal his sentence. Do you
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: think you deserve your sentence?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Probably?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: The victim's father declined our request for an interview, but
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: gave former assistant Da Nikki Grote his permission to speak
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: for the family.
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: And it's been thirteen years since I've seen him, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: I knocked on the door in his side, his face,
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: and he knew who I was, and we sat on
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: his front porch.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: And yes, I want people to know who my son was.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: And the world deserves to know.
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: The world deserves to know that justice was served and
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: that Camfield is exactly where he belongs. At one point,
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: JD's parents actually let Campfield move in with them and
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: he was working as a lot with JD and so
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: they were helping him learn a trade. They were trying
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: to make sure he could manage his money appropriately because.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: You know, they wanted to help the guy.
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: And that's in part what makes it so much more
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: horrific and hurtful to the family that Hey, you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: we opened our home and our hearts to you, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: this is what this is what you do, this is
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: how you repay us.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: This is our son. He still gets to talk to
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: his family and Jill. He still gets to talk to
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: his mall. JD's family.
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: They don't get that, and the last memories that they
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: have are calling in He's not answering and the worry
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: where is he and then finding out the details of
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: what happened.
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  Speaker 6: The things that Campfield had done to JD are horrific
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  Speaker 6: and no one deserves to die like that.
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  Speaker 1: This is a guy who has been your friend for
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  Speaker 1: since I was eighteen. This is a man who brought
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  Speaker 1: you into his family home and let you live with them.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And he stayed in my family home multiple nights.
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  Speaker 1: JD's father blamed himself for trusting you and for helping you.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine what it's like for him to have
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to live with this all because you took such offense
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: in your psychotic mind that he fell asleep. That was
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: his great crime against you. He fell asleep on you,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and for that you took his life, defiled his body,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and sentenced his family to a life without their son.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine how they feel? You can? I'm not convinced.
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  Speaker 1: Camfield's parting words leave no doubt he's still a man
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  Speaker 1: devoid of empathy or even the capacity to fake it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think you've changed? Are you a changed man?
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  Speaker 1: Or you're the same man capable of the same things.
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  Speaker 2: Unless I had to, and then I still wouldn't want to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know the difference between have two
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and one two Because you didn't have to kill JD.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't have to do it again, and that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: all really really want to.
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  Speaker 2: I try to do it in here and I've got
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: a peppers the first time.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: You have a pretty violent record in here. Several assaults
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: on staff, an a friend. What's that?
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  Speaker 2: Friends?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: They're only friends? Well, nobody wants to be your friend
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  Speaker 1: if you treat your friends the way you treated your
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: best friend.
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  Speaker 2: Right, well, I mean what they can rush about it? No?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you? Okay, you're almost giddy remembering the golden details.
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  Speaker 1: No no, I'm talking about like the smiling, the last thing,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the giggling. WHOA do you have any remorse in.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Your heart to say, I'm shorge.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: To feel that you're not just sorry, but deeply deeply
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  Speaker 1: ashamed for the harm that you've done to that family
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  Speaker 1: and that man.
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  Speaker 2: An outstanding American citizen.
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  Speaker 1: You don't seem sorry at all. Thank you, that's not
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a compliment.
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: JD's friends and family described him as a person who
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: was a good hearted man.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: He was a hard worker.
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: He was a third generation lineman and his family so
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: he took a lot of pride in what he did.
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  Speaker 6: And he had a good work ethic.
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: And his friend said that, you know, you couldn't ask
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: for a better friend.
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: He was a good listener, he was supportive.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: J D. DAWs had tried for years to be a
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: friend to Camfield when no one else would. Before his death,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: he had succeeded in purging bad influences from his life,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: including the man who would take it Nicki grote in
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: his family see a tragedy in the timing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: Everybody struggles with their demons. Sobriety had been one thing
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: that JD had struggled with in the past.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: But the day that JD died, his sobriety.
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: Ship was in his car, an advisor so he could
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: always see it. And that person, that strong person, that
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: person who was making a better life for himself, that
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: was making the right choices. That's the person that died
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: that day.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I left Camfield reeling from my trip to the dark
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  Speaker 1: side and thinking about the men and women who have
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: to supervise him for the rest of his life lest
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Camfield kills again.