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The Mandalorian Chapter 9: The Marshal · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 3: Well, hello and welcome to Aggressive Negotiations your little slice
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Matt. It's great to be here with
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  Speaker 3: So, John, did you know that there is a Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars movie that is coming out this year?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: My gosh, that's right, there is a Star Wars movie
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  Speaker 2: coming out this year. I tend to for yet, since
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  Speaker 2: there have been so few trailers, advertisements or billboards that
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  Speaker 2: I've encountered at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I am here to tell you that, yes, there
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  Speaker 3: is a Star Wars movie that's coming that's good. And
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  Speaker 3: because of that, we thought, you know, we have covered
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  Speaker 3: the first season of The Mandalorian. We went through and
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  Speaker 3: did commentary tracks for that and had a blast doing it.
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  Speaker 3: It was wonderful, and so we thought, well, wouldn't it
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  Speaker 3: be fun to get ready for the upcoming season for
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  Speaker 3: the upcoming film The Mandalorian and grogu by going through
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  Speaker 3: the parts of the show that we haven't gone through
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  Speaker 3: yet and review the episodes, and so tonight I'm really
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  Speaker 3: excited to be diving into episode one of season two,
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  Speaker 3: The Marshal, and I wanted to ask you this do
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  Speaker 3: you what was it like for you just kind of
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  Speaker 3: sitting down to watch this as it came out? It
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  Speaker 3: was this is October thirtieth of twenty twenty when this
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  Speaker 3: episode dropped, So it's been quite a while, good Greed,
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  Speaker 3: And do you remember, though, just how you were feeling
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  Speaker 3: coming off the massive season finale of season one.
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  Speaker 2: I remember the feeling of coming off the massive season
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  Speaker 2: finale of season one. I remember, much like most other people,
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  Speaker 2: I was truly ready for season two. I was looking
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  Speaker 2: for anything good to be released and break up some
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  Speaker 2: of the monotony of what had been going on and
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  Speaker 2: the joy of working practically twenty four to seven at
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  Speaker 2: all times. So, I mean, I would be hard pressed
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  Speaker 2: to think there's a single person that was not absolutely
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  Speaker 2: stoked for season two to start. Like we were literally
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  Speaker 2: a captive audience just hungry for something else to come
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  Speaker 2: our way. And you know, like Rise of Skywalker is
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  Speaker 2: in the rear view mirror. So this is the first
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  Speaker 2: really important and amazing sort of story where it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is not at all in service of a movie
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  Speaker 2: or promotion of a movie. This must stand on its own.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's that type of anticipation and pressure going
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  Speaker 2: into the season.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is just one of those things where I
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  Speaker 3: do remember how excited that I was for this to drop,
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  Speaker 3: how excited I was for this to come out. You know,
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  Speaker 3: episode one the first season, Excuse Me, had been just
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  Speaker 3: a massive hit. You know, it had been pretty much
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  Speaker 3: everything that you would have wanted it to be. And
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  Speaker 3: to come into this season, you know, one I got
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  Speaker 3: to ask you this because I didn't remember this, but
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  Speaker 3: this is a fifty four minute episode, which doesn't happen
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  Speaker 3: all that off in the Mandalorian they tend to be
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  Speaker 3: about thirty five to forty minutes usually, So this is
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  Speaker 3: almost an entire hour that we got to spend coming
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  Speaker 3: back in to the world of the Mandalorian. And so
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you in the rewatch, did you
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  Speaker 3: feel like this is one of those things that needed
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  Speaker 3: an hour. Did you feel like this story dragged at
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  Speaker 3: any point. Did you feel like in the rewatch you
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  Speaker 3: could have cut some things here or rewatching it. Did
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  Speaker 3: you feel like, no, this it really did feel like
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  Speaker 3: this was the perfect way to reintroduce us into the
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  Speaker 3: world of the Mandalorian.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is actually the second rewatch in six months
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  Speaker 2: that I've had because my youngest has been watching it
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  Speaker 2: with me, and so I came back as a refresher
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  Speaker 2: for this as well. And I think that it starts
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  Speaker 2: off amazingly well, it really reintroduces everybody, It raises the
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  Speaker 2: stakes again, everything's super interesting from the get go. I
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  Speaker 2: think that there's a little little bit of Tatoine fatigue
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  Speaker 2: that plays into it a little bit, like you really
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  Speaker 2: have to be settled in with the idea of going
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  Speaker 2: back to Tatoween as many times as we do, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm at peace with it. I'm I'm not one of
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  Speaker 2: those people that's like, why are we going back to Tatoween.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's a familiar place. They don't have to
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  Speaker 2: spend time setting up the environment. We know the lay
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  Speaker 2: of the land, and of course you know, in hindsight,
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  Speaker 2: we know how this is going to pay off. And
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  Speaker 2: in terms of whether it dragged at all. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think anything dragged, but I still think there were probably
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  Speaker 2: like five minutes that could have been trimmed where it
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  Speaker 2: took a little bit longer because there were certain inevitable
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  Speaker 2: ends that we knew were going to happen at certain
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  Speaker 2: chapter breaks. We knew that they weren't going to get
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  Speaker 2: the crate dragon on the first go with the Tuscans
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  Speaker 2: laying out the ban though we knew that they were
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  Speaker 2: going to have to do this in that and we
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  Speaker 2: knew that we were going to have to show the
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  Speaker 2: townsfolk working with everybody. I think that stuff could have
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  Speaker 2: been tightened up a little bit. I still think that
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  Speaker 2: that stuff could have been tightened up a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But there's nothing so egregious where I'm like, oh, come on,
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  Speaker 2: get moving with it. It's just little tweaks here and there,
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  Speaker 2: if anything. Having the pleasure of rewatching it twice within
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  Speaker 2: the last six months, I think that one of the
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  Speaker 2: ways in which they hurt themselves is by not leaning
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  Speaker 2: into making a longer arc here on Tattoine, And by
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  Speaker 2: that I mean I think this episode could have been
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  Speaker 2: two forty five minute episodes with a real cliffhanger at
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  Speaker 2: the end.
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  Speaker 4: Of this one, and I'm not going.
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  Speaker 2: To try to rewrite anything, but I think what's weird
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  Speaker 2: is this is a longer episode. But I feel like
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  Speaker 2: for all the little stuff I would have trimmed, there's
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  Speaker 2: other stuff that should have breathed more. By contrast, I
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  Speaker 2: would have loved to see Grogo. I would have loved
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  Speaker 2: to see Grogu interacting with townsfolk more. I would have
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  Speaker 2: loved to see an extra scene with the Marshall and
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  Speaker 2: Mando sitting where Mando is explaining the tenets of his
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  Speaker 2: faith again that I think would have been nice to see.
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  Speaker 2: And I see so I see opportunities where this could
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  Speaker 2: have been movie length, while at the same time saying
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  Speaker 2: there are parts that could have been trimmed down.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what about you. Did you see any drag
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  Speaker 4: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel like this episode drags, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And I think part of that is just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: coming off the end of the first season and the
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  Speaker 3: big reveals that we got there and about mof Gideon,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, the fact that he's still alive and
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  Speaker 3: that they're being chased basically, and that you know, Mando
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  Speaker 3: is worried about staying any any one place too long
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  Speaker 3: because they might be found, and his whole goal is
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  Speaker 3: just to get you know, this kid back to his people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, uh, the Jedi. I love that that as
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  Speaker 3: a motivating factor and the thread that runs through this.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, just like this episode specifically,
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  Speaker 3: I think one of the things that it does is
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  Speaker 3: just allows you to enjoy being back with Mando and
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  Speaker 3: Grogu in a place where you're familiar, but by completely
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  Speaker 3: re making what we think of Tattoine. Right, Like, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to spend time on Tatooine, but we're going to
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  Speaker 3: make you rethink the sand people, and we're going to
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  Speaker 3: make you rethink the type of people that live here,
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  Speaker 3: and we're going to make you rethink what it was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to have the Empire defeated, only to have
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  Speaker 3: you know, another terrible power come into this town as
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  Speaker 3: Pella Pegla Mospelgo, Mospelgo. And so all of those things together,
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  Speaker 3: I think are what make this just a great episode.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to go to somewhere that
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  Speaker 3: feels familiar, I think the important thing then is to
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  Speaker 3: add to that place. Yeah, so you come away feeling
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  Speaker 3: like it was worth visiting In the same way, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think there got to be a point in like
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  Speaker 3: say Star Trek, right where it's like we kept doing
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  Speaker 3: things with the Klingons, but it was it felt like
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  Speaker 3: the same thing over and over again until we got
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  Speaker 3: to like Deep Space nine, where we really dove into
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  Speaker 3: a lot of you know, Wharf's background and the machinations
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  Speaker 3: were there, and and all the things they did there,
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  Speaker 3: or even you know, I think about the way that
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  Speaker 3: show specifically just enhanced all of the different races that
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  Speaker 3: had come up in the next generation, but we'd never
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  Speaker 3: fleshed out this. We're going to do that in this
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  Speaker 3: episode specifically, like with the Tusken Raiders and with you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of what it's like to live in one of
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  Speaker 3: these towns in on tatsu Win where and a place
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  Speaker 3: that you know feels so inhospitable, but we're going to
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  Speaker 3: get a chance to see what it's like to do that.
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  Speaker 3: And I think all of that was wonderful Wall At
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  Speaker 3: the same time, of course, you know, this is a rewatch.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about this, but we're also going to do
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  Speaker 3: the thing that everybody wondered if we would do, which
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  Speaker 3: is setting up the return of boa Fett.
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  Speaker 2: You know, seeing Boba FET's armor and seeing it all
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  Speaker 2: pitted and scarred. What I like about the episode is
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  Speaker 2: they leave the room that it's just the armor, that
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  Speaker 2: it's that it's fats armor. For sure, there's no question
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  Speaker 2: that it's FET's armor, but there is a question about
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  Speaker 2: whether Fet himself right exactly, is included in this package.
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  Speaker 2: And I really give them a lot of credit for
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  Speaker 2: putting the armor on to look awkward enough on Timothy
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  Speaker 2: Olephant that he he looks very comfortable in the armor,
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  Speaker 2: but it's obviously not made for him right exactly. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's really cool. And to your point about
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  Speaker 2: you know, enhancing things. We've seen the moisture farm, we've
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  Speaker 2: seen the dive bar, we've seen ceed things, but now
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  Speaker 2: we see the actual western outpost town and it makes
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  Speaker 2: sense because that leans into the whole idea of a
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  Speaker 2: Western in space. And I like the fact that they
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  Speaker 2: make most pel Goo like one of those stereotypical nineteen
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  Speaker 2: fifties Western towns where it looks like the little pop
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  Speaker 2: up town that the gold Rush left behind, and it
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  Speaker 2: has a really it has a really nice feel to it.
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  Speaker 2: And so I agree with you if you know, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Tattoine fatigue is overcome by the fact
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  Speaker 2: that we're seeing other parts of it. We're getting this
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  Speaker 2: idea that every time we go back, we're getting another
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  Speaker 2: piece of Tattoine that we haven't experienced before. That's a plus,
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  Speaker 2: that's a huge plus.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and I mean, the one of the things that
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  Speaker 3: I really responded to watching the episode is when they
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  Speaker 3: tell the backstory of this town and what happened to it, right,
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  Speaker 3: and the fact that you know, everybody thought things were
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  Speaker 3: going to be great after the you know, end of
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  Speaker 3: the Empire, and what happens is that there are all
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  Speaker 3: of these groups just right under the surface waiting for
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  Speaker 3: that change to happen so they can jump on opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: And so the mining Guild comes in here and takes
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  Speaker 3: over this town for its own nefarious purposes. And I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's the beauty of like, the thing that
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  Speaker 3: this Mando verse in general has been doing, right, is
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  Speaker 3: showing there's almost a real reality to you know, when
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  Speaker 3: a massive power like the Empire extinguishes, there's always another
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  Speaker 3: group that's kind of ready to fill that vacuum. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I mean, and especially in a place
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  Speaker 3: like tatsu Wein, Right, that's so far removed anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't expect a show made by gen xers
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  Speaker 2: to be unaware of what happened with Eastern Europe when
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  Speaker 2: the Soviet Union fell was exactly this, right, was absolute chaos,
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  Speaker 2: and these horrible groups which had been sort of kept
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  Speaker 2: at bay by the larger suppressive power, suddenly are set free.
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  Speaker 2: The criminal organizations always existed there, but the largest criminal
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  Speaker 2: organization of all, which was the government that kept them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to heal, suddenly is on. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like a pack of dogs once the leader is
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  Speaker 2: taken out. Yes, yes, all it is is just everybody
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  Speaker 2: left trying to buy for who's going to be the
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  Speaker 2: new leader? And yeah, so yeah, that is. And it
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  Speaker 2: also winds up building the lore of Star Wars itself
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  Speaker 2: in a very important way that we never got otherwise
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  Speaker 2: for post Empire. Now, we got it in the books
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  Speaker 2: in the nineties and stuff like that, but like the
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  Speaker 2: post Empire, Star Wars universe is a very interesting place
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  Speaker 2: to be, and so we get some macro story conveyed
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  Speaker 2: on a micro level so that we can relate to
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  Speaker 2: it well.
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  Speaker 3: And part of that too is in just building off
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  Speaker 3: of that, right. You know. One of the things that
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  Speaker 3: I think became really apparent is that, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: the sequel trilogy had come out, it didn't really feel
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  Speaker 3: like that they had constructed what the backstory was for
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  Speaker 3: those thirty years. And so it it feels as though
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  Speaker 3: being in this place allows Favreau and Felony to be
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  Speaker 3: able to help build the foundation for something that's already
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  Speaker 3: being propped up by toothpicks, you know, and so we're
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  Speaker 3: going to put the you know, the the true foundation
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  Speaker 3: under that. And that's what this series and its fellow
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  Speaker 3: series have really been doing in that way, and like
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  Speaker 3: we like you mentioned, I mean, that's what is happening
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  Speaker 3: in this episode, but it's happening in a way that
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  Speaker 3: is so organic to this story. Yeah, it's not like
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  Speaker 3: shoving it in your face or anything, because that's not
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  Speaker 3: really what the episode is about. But it utilizes that
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to be able to give us that And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's where coming off the first season and now
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  Speaker 3: into the second season, it's like, Okay, this writing is
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  Speaker 3: just picking up right where we left off, and they're not.
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  Speaker 3: They're not you know, missing any beats.
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  Speaker 4: I want to throw out there as well.
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  Speaker 2: I want to open up the discussion of the Tuscans
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  Speaker 2: because oh yes, please, you know, we do more work
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  Speaker 2: to uh pardon the use of the phrase, but to
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  Speaker 2: humanize the Tuscans. There are people now, They're a very functional, relatable,
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  Speaker 2: interesting people, a tribal people. And I want to throw
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  Speaker 2: an idea out at you. I want to get your
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  Speaker 2: reaction to it. I think that that part of world
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  Speaker 2: building is also important because it makes Anakins act in
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  Speaker 2: episode two.
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  Speaker 4: All the more monstrous. What do you think? You know?
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  Speaker 3: What I I think that is done so well is
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  Speaker 3: is that we do not negate that these people are
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  Speaker 3: harsh and cruel and in some ways there is in
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  Speaker 3: morale to their actions, right where we never we never
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  Speaker 3: discount that, but we do give them a humanized face
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  Speaker 3: in the sense of these people are like this because
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  Speaker 3: they live in such a harsh environment and so it's
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  Speaker 3: a you know, it's a eat create world out here,
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  Speaker 3: and so.
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  Speaker 4: If you.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not willing to do whatever it takes to survive,
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  Speaker 3: you're not going to survive, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and keep in mind I'm not and I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't discounting anything about SMI what happened to her. But
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  Speaker 2: I think also layering on there is you very much
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  Speaker 2: get the sense that the tribes themselves are different, that
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  Speaker 2: this tribe we're dealing with is able to be.
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  Speaker 4: More reasonable maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Than if we ran across tribe that exists in another
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  Speaker 2: part of Tatowee, which is totally fair, because that breaks
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  Speaker 2: up the trap that I think some earlier and even
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  Speaker 2: later Star Trek fell into with the idea of the monoculture,
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  Speaker 2: where it's like, you can't stereotype all Tuscans based on
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  Speaker 2: your experience with one tribe of Tuscans. Right, there are similarities,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not all one unified planetary culture as it were,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, that's good. I think
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  Speaker 2: that the one place where I would shine a light
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  Speaker 2: on this is I think that there are some moments
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  Speaker 2: where this is the first time where the volume's limitations
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  Speaker 2: start to come through. And I would actually say all
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  Speaker 2: the way in the very beginning of the episode, because
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  Speaker 2: it starts with this beautiful, beautiful shot of them walking
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  Speaker 2: and coming across It's like, I'm in it, I'm gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: I believe in the environment they get in, they come
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: back out, and when they Chase John Loguozamo's character. You
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: know that he's voicing some of the background effects start
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: to look a little too flat, And I don't know
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: if that's because they got too ambitious with it, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's because it's not Greek Fraser
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: behind the camera, which I'm not discounting the hard work
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: of other cinematographers, but there are certain cinematographers where they
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: know how to use this new environment really well. Yeah,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and Fraser is definitely one of them. And I think
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: that I think it's baz Iodine Iodoin.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I've never heard the last name pronounced, so forgive me
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: if I'm messing it up.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I think that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's undone a little bit by what they're trying
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to do, because I think the darkness of the night
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: scene you start to see some of the scenes in
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the volume.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's even the case a little bit,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: you know, just in some of the scenes on Tatooine.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: This is an incredibly ambitious episode. Yeah, And I think,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: you know, when you think think about this, this movie
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: does Dune before Dune, does you know, with the whole
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: thing about the Great Dragon, basically feeling like a sand
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: worm on Dune, and they do all the same type
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: of effects that you get in Dune but on a
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: TV budget, and the fact that it looks as good
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: as it does on this budget is pretty amazing. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: just the effects of the Great Dragon in general, I mean,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I'm still kind of blown away by how good this looks.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: The effects still really hold up and they did a
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: great job. But no, I agree with you. I mean,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: there there is and there are a few places throughout
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: the episode when when you're just more aware, especially after
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: we all knew what the technology was that they were
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: using to make this show what it is, and there
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: are spots where it's it's, yeah, it's pretty clear. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: mean there's even that scene where you know Cobb vanth Is,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you know, he's escaped and you know he's got the
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: canto and he falls down and he hits the ground,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's like, oh, yeah, that's just the
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: volume floor covered with sand, but it doesn't look like
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: enough sand to make it feel like yes, you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: and so that those are just those places. But what
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I loved, and we covered this a little bit, but
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to circle back to it is that
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I think they did do a great job as well,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the fact that they didn't make you think immediately that, oh,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Boba Fett has to be back. It was more like, oh,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: it kind of makes sense that the Starlac just might
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: spit up his armor because you can't digest Bescar. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: in some ways, there was a part of me watching
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: the episode where I kind of hoped that that would
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: be the case. But now that it isn't the case,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: of course, Boba Fett is back. How did you feel
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: then and how do you feel now about the fact
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: that they chose to actually let the fet return.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I will be completely honest that I wasn't the least
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: bit surprised. It's been something the fans have wanted repeatedly
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: through time. For anyone listening who's too young to remember,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and I have just repeated this ad nauseum. They brought
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: him back in the original Marvel Comic Series issue eighty one.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: We all loved it. Then Marvel Comic Series went away.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Then they brought him back in Dark Empire two, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: then they stretched that out with other stories. Okay, we
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: went along with that too. We were happy with it
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: until they went too far with it. Then that went away.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Then Boba FET's origin story changed, so that wasn't bringing
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: him back, but it was reinventing him. And then now
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: they bring him back. It's like people were obsessed. It's
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: it's buckethead, it's the armor, you know, like, yeah, he's
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: just part and parcel of it. And so it's hard
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: to have a reaction outside of like cool, I'm going
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to get to see these people's take.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: On how they bring back both.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: It's almost like a right of passage for a Star
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Wars writer to bring back Boba Fett and can you
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: bring him back in an interesting fashion? And I think, yeah, yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: So I mean what about you? Were you like shocked,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: were you surprised? Were you excited? Did you pump your
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: fist in the air and spill your nachos on the ground,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: you know, as you spike the ball like was winning
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Uh. You know It's funny because I then was more
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: of the opinion that I think I want him to
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: stay dead. You know, I want some character to stay
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: dead in series, and Boba Fett was kind of one
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: of those characters where you know, honestly, the character has
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: a life of its own in the sense that it
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: became something that he was never really intended to be,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: at least by you know, Lucas, and uh, the love
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of the character was driven specifically by you know, fans
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: who really wanted the toy back in the day and
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: them playing with the toy back in the day more
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: than you know. Again, then it was ever really thought
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: possible or desired by George.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Because of that, I never really cared if he came back,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and I never really cared about the character in like
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: a he was not my favorite. I just like so,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: but you know, it's it's fine, he's back. Like I'm
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: not gonna throw a hissy fit or be mad or whatever.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: It just he's back, and that's it's fun, you know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: And I think they have utilized him and at least
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: a semi interesting way. You know, maybe one day we'll
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: revisit the Book of beaua Fette and talk about that
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: and my opinion changes on that show.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I think we should, because I'm rewatching that with my
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: youngest right now and it is better than I gave
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it credit for at the time. And that is that
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: is what I will say, is that I have that interesting.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I've been enjoying the show more this time than I
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: did the first time, and I honestly think it has
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: everything to do with expectation, because I think the bar
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: was so high after those first two seasons of Mando
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and then it is a very different show and it's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: not perfect by any stretch obviously, and it's very much
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Chase still exists, you know what. My youngest, my youngest
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: loved it, and I, you know, sometimes listen everybody in
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the sound of you know who can hear my voice.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Sometimes we're grumpier than we think we are. And sometimes
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: it really helps watching with a kid because when you
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: get their reaction to something, it can be a lot
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: of fun, just like watching Mando season two with her
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. So and that's why I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: always happy to, you know, come back and talk about
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it again. But if you had to pick one moment
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: from this episode that's like your favorite moment of the end,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I want to do this with each of the episodes
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: as we talk about them, what's your favorite moment? What
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: is the one where somebody says, first episode season two,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the Marshall, what's your What's the moment that comes to mind?
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: And we're like, yeah, that was cool. I really like that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I love that they remembered that his rifle has the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: ability to send out the electricity and stun and that's
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: what he utilized to get out of the Crate Dragon.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I thought that was you know, because you know, the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: moment we knew he was gonna quote unquote sacrifice his life,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: He's not dying and so but the way that they
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: got him out of that was incredibly clever because it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: something that had been set up in the very first episode,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: you know, when he hit the big walrust thing with it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was great. And I still love
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that moment every time because not only is at a
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: great moment, but it still looks fantastic.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: It does what about you? It does?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: You know, it's tough, but it's very little moments, very
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: little moments. I'll give you my top three and then
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: i'll tell you what the top one of it was,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: also with a crate Dragon. Because I'm my father's son
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and I have his sense of humor. Whenaging comes up
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and ignores the bantha and eats the tuscan, I will
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: giggle every time I watch that because.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: That's just classic cure and it's just funny as hell.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Number two is Grogu coming up very like Looney Tunes
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: or Three Stooges style, coming up out of a little
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: spittoon and his ears coming up out.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Yep. Love that one.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: It felt like one of those rides at Disneyland or
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: disney World, right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, so, And then I would say that probably my
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: topper is and it's a really well orchestrated scene, but
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the scene where the Marshall meets Mando all the way
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: up to you know, I mean, the whole thing is great,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: But even within that scene is when Cobb Vance takes
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: the helmet off and Mando stops and you see his
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: head twitch a little bit, like I didn't think I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: was gonna have to kill this guy. Like that's a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: really beautiful touch. It's like a little character moment that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: That we talked about this before.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: The body language of Mando is so important, and it's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: a reminder that you can convey everything with the littlest
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: of gestures and people understand what you're doing.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: That I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: think all of those are really great moments for the episode.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: And I also love that introduction and just their you know, relationship.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: But gosh, Timothy, all the fun. And that's one of
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the things I think we've got to talk about here,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: is just like the casting on this show continues to
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: just be clutch, right, Yeah, Like they are just nailing
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it at every moment with people they're bringing into this show.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: And to bring him in, you know, somebody who's known
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: for Justified and just feels like he belongs in a
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Western any way, great call on their part, and so
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I'm really glad that they did that. But John, you know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: before we get out of here, and you know, I
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: think that, you know, it might be time to wrap
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: these negotiations so soon, maybe maybe letting people know where
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: they could find you and what you've got going on,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: and if they then maybe wanted to talk a little
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: bit more Mando or or maybe even talk about what
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: has turned you on the book of both it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Well, guys, you can reach me online as kessel Junkie
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Social network of choice. As I love to say, I'm
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: active on Letterbox and I'm active on X two. I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: can't quit it. I'm addicted. I have been since decades now.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I can't live without it. Sorry, So look for kessel Junkie.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: That's my name online and you can find me right
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: here on the network, co hosting a show called house
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Lights with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser, where I repeatedly
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: try to tell them what they should have thought of
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: movies done by famous directors as we look at all
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: of their works or some of their works, or different
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: characters and stuff like that. We have a lot of
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: fun and I'm always right and when they agree with me,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: so are they.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: But Matt, where can people find you out there?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I do have to say that you were absolutely right
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: about Cosablanca. Tristan was absolutely wrong as you s Yes,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: one place where you really shined, both you and Darren,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: so well done.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: But of course you could find me all over social
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: media under the name Matt Rushing zero two. And then
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I'm here on the network with the completed show called Outposts,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: talking about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: one chapter at a time. And then I'm over on the
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: TFM network with a bunch of shows. One it's called
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the six or two Club. John is a frequent guest
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: over there as we talk about all of these franchises
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: we love outside of Star Trek. And then a lot
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: of great Star Trek talk over there as well, so
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: hope you'll check all that out. But John, I think
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: that it's time to close these negotiations because I hear
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: that they are serving a Mospelgo great steak and I
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: don't want to miss.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: It, so wow, my goodness gracious, I hope they have
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that with some womp rat gravy. So master rushing negotiations
• 33:08
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