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Talks to Glenn Fitzgerald about his choice of The Stones of Blood (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blump. Pen knife.
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  They're doing quicker, quicker. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blump. Pen knife.
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  A jolly morning that we're having today, loaded with
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  sausage sandwiches, psychotic stones and eccentric academic
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  professors. Oh, that was a lot of words.
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  I'm here today with the joyful Glenn Fitzgerald.
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  Hello, Glenn. Hello.
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  Now, are you having a good time? You're popping your cherry.
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  I've popped me cherry so many times this morning.
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  I'm warm now. You know what, right?
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  He came on the call and I was like oh he don't look too happy.
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  And then he spent the last fucking 30 minutes laughing his
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  head off at my. Stupid.
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  Quotes of the story can I? Ask you.
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  Can I ask you a question very quickly, because we.
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  Just talked about. Something and I just I just want
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  to, I don't, you know, I don't want to have a therapy session.
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  I don't want to bore you anything.
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  But like you said, Doctor, Who's been a solitary pursuit of
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  yours. Yeah.
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  And did you like it that way? I didn't know any other way, if
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  I'm honest, so it got me into the mindset of Doctor Who is
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  mine. You know, you get possessive of
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  something and I got very possessive of it.
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  It it, it was something that if I'd had a shit day at work, I'd
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  stick Doctor Who on. Or, you know, if I, I would even
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  turn my mates down, going out for the weekend, going to the
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  pub, whatever. Because you coming out tonight.
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  Now I'm watching Tomb of the Cybermen or something like that.
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  You know, I, I was quite happy just to sit on my own and watch
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  Doctor Who. It just made me happy, still
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  does. It made me happy.
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  We're sharing this today. What's changed?
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  In a nutshell, I found a lovely bunch of people with that
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  blowing smoke up your ass, but it's it's nothing.
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  To do with me, mate, it ain't nothing to do with me.
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  But all those people came along, they all just came accidentally.
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  I've, I've been, I mean, I'll admit I got forced out of fandom
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  once and I left, left Doctor Who for about two years because it
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  upset me that much without, it's not a sob story.
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  It really did upset or pissed me off that much that I walked away
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  from it. It was around the time of COVID.
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  Everyone was moaning about Jodie and of course I stuck my 2
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  pennies worth in and said come on guys let's give her a chance
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  blah blah blah and I basically got shot down, got told I was
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  old, I don't know anything what do I know about Doctor Who?
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  Your generation was all racist blah blah blah.
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  And I thought you know what if these are the sort of people
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  that are watching Doctor Who now then get fucked basically.
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  And I, I walked away from it and it it hurt.
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  It did hurt. I think it took me a good year
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  and a half, couple of years to think, you know what?
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  That's, that's a part that was a massive part of my life and I
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  miss it. And I think I stuck on pyramids
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  and Mars and I thought, I love this.
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  I love this act. I walked away from this and
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  slowly it sort of started coming because it never leaves you.
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  There's a It's not a day going by when you don't think about
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  Doctor Who, for God's sake, and. It's insidious, it.
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  Is it's in the blood, it's, it's just there and there was, there
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  was no way I was going to carry on the rest of my life being
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  told what I can and can't have an opinion on, what I what I can
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  and can't watch what's right and wrong, blah, blah, blah.
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  I'm not interested in all that. I'm not interested in politics,
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  never have been. I never watched the news.
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  I like Doctor Who. That's the end of it.
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  Doctor Who is what it is. It's lovely.
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  It's go to TV when I need cheering up.
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  If I'm already happy, then excellent, I'll watch a lovely
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  Doctor Who story and no one's ever going to take that away
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  from me again. And I started because I'm a bit
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  of a Jerry Anderson fan as well. Oh boy, there's so many feathers
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  in your strings, I tell you. I know there's too many.
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  So I, I listened to the Jerry Anderson podcast and they kept
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  every so often mean, I mean, Doctor Who gets mentioned a lot
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  on there and they were mentioning all these different
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  sort of Doctor Who podcasts and that and I, I, I found Jim
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  Allenby's What's in the Box from there.
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  I found your podcast. And the rest, as they say, is
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  history. And I, I, I, I was a little bit
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  dubious at first because of what had previously happened, But
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  there's none of that. There was none of that.
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  Everybody seems so nice and happy.
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  And if someone's got an opinion they don't agree with, yeah, you
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  just laugh it off. Bit of banter.
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  No one pulls out the knives or anything like that.
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  It's just lovely, nice atmosphere, good bunch of
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  people. It's, I mean, it's not
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  necessarily hamster, although it's probably a good example of
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  it. But like there's, there are
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  these sort of spaces amongst the toxicity of what happens in
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  Doctor Who fandom where, yeah, where people do sort of form
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  together. I see it with a there's, there's
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  this a couple of podcasts where it's like a lot of young kids as
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  well that have found Doctor Who where it's just a really
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  positive place where you can, you can have an argument, you
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  can have a difference of opinion.
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  You know, Jesus, listen to me and Fraser for God's sakes, but
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  you still adore each other at the end and you sort of
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  challenge each other and you come away understanding each
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  other a little bit better and not disliking each other.
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  I mean, it's totally possible to do that.
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  Yeah. And that that's, that's what was
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  so refreshing, refreshingly nice.
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  It's such a nice change to find somewhere where I've got
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  accepted, you know, straight away and you're I'm allowed to
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  like this even if you don't like it or vice versa, I mean.
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  Glenn, someone told me recently the Rebus operation weren't very
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  good. I mean, have you ever heard
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  such? Madness in your life?
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  How dare though. Well, look, something we can
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  both agree on. Thank you for sharing all of
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  that. I just, I think it's not not to
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  market Hampton, but I think it's worth saying to people, find
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  your spaces, not not necessarily this space, but find your spaces
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  where you can be yourself and have your opinions and still be
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  with people. Exactly.
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  It doesn't have to be a solid, but something we can both agree
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  on. It's that The Stones of Blood is
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  fabulous and I think we should watch episode 4.
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  I think we should. OK, well, will you count us in?
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  I will count us in. We'll get ready to get on that
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  Doctor Who's answer to the enterprise that is made out of
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  the plumbing department in the DIY shop.
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  Yes, it. Is as sophisticated as that you
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  think? OK.
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  Bless. It's little art right in 321.
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  Let's go. Oh do.
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  You know what makes me sad, right, is I did cover Stones of
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  blood many, many years ago, right near the beginning of
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  hamster, right? Yeah.
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  It's so jolly. And now we've talked nearly at
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  the end of it. I won't be able to talk about it
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  again for another 5-6 years or something like that.
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  You know, it's such. A delight.
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  This. I'm glad I chose one that you
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  like. You said a warm hug, Ellie.
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  I think that is exactly what I mean.
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  For me, that's this season, but in particular this story.
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  Yeah, I just, just the way Mary Tam and Tom Baker stand
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  together, everyone just seems so comfortable with each other in
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  this. Yeah.
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  What they've done, what they've done, this is their third now,
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  isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I think my
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  Armageddon factor, Mary Tam, is kind of on fire.
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  It might have been interesting to have seen a second year, but
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  I wouldn't lose Lala Ward for anything.
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  No, no, I know what you mean. I would.
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  I would have liked to have seen more like more stories with Mary
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  Tam. Can I ask?
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  Wasn't to be. Glenn, you know those fabulous
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  raves you went to when you were younger?
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  Yeah, where you may or may have not been under the influence.
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  Do you remember those we talked about earlier?
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  Vaguely, yeah. Yeah, Were you seeing sort of
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  sparkly stars like the Magara at those raves?
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  Oh, there was loads of them there.
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  They love a bit of rave and and people people looking like
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  Vivian Fayle dressed up like that as.
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  Well, I can believe that. I mean, the clubs I went to, all
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  the blokes were dressed up like Vivian Faye for God's sakes.
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  There was a shortage of Crayola when they made her.
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  And all of all the blokes in those clubs were going beware
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  the ogre. But ogre was definitely a
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  euphemism, all right. Where was it?
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  Club UK? I think it was Club UK in
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  Wandsworth used to have two massive Daleks up on stage.
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  No. Did they?
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  Yeah, next to the DJ did. You feel like Nicki had won.
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  You could have done a heist. They were massive.
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  They were. They were definitely out of
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  scale a bit like that. They were they were a good 1015.
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  What actual Daleks? Yeah, like.
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  Real props. Not not props from like ones
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  they'd made themselves up on stage.
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  Yeah, they were massive. I'm going to have to confess
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  something to you now. You see this Dalek right behind
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  me here in the. Window, yeah.
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  Yeah, that's that's from that club.
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  No, I'm joking. I'm joking.
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  I won't steal from nightclubs. Good grief.
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  Is this is this a piss take of the legal system?
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  I rather think it might be I. Think you could be right, and
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  rightly so as well. Yeah, I mean, courtroom dramas
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  are so, I mean, I generally find them a bit tedious.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tom just happens to have
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  a judge's wig in his pocket. Well, yeah, I mean, just like
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  David Tennant did in the Style Beast.
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  Still there. Yeah, OK, now I'm the wake.
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  Isn't that a beautiful shot? That is, that camera's on the
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  floor, Isn't it shooting out? Yeah, yeah, do get a good shot
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  and any shot low down is a good shot.
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  Are you all right, K9? She says.
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  Ah, she's got to reconstruct them.
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  Oh, of course, because Vivian says he's blowing the shit out
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  of it, doesn't she? Yeah.
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  She didn't like that. He goes, yeah, you must work
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  under my instruction. Oh, she goes.
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  You got Vivian face face in the background.
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  Yes. You couldn't say it's a sort of
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  a subtle performance, could you? No.
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  You know, you know the bit later on when they realise.
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  They go, you know, you are Vivian Faye, you no, sorry, you
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  are Cecilia of Diplos. And they start listening out all
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  of her crimes. The camera zooms in on her and
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  she sort of goes. Oh.
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  Yes, but sometimes I don't think you need nuance.
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  Sometimes you just need panto. Yeah, here we go.
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  I call Glenn Fitzgerald to the stands now.
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  Mr. Glenn Fitzgerald, Yes. You are charged with finding the
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  Rebus operation. A.
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  Very boring Doctor Who story, how do you plead?
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  Well, I'm afraid I'm guilty as charged.
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  OK, well that's it. Take him from this dock.
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  I can't lie. Hung, drawn and quartered,
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  please. Oh, no, You could put me on this
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  ship out in hyperspace. Send me out do.
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  You know, I thought you said you could put me on this shit then
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  talking about the podcast. Yeah, put me on that shit.
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  You're already on this shit. I'm so sorry, Miss Devora
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  Trilandar. What a surname.
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  That's certainly a mouthful. Indeed, not a lot of the more
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  pleasurable variety. I mean like my surname's Ford
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  and she got Devorah Trilunda. Well, mainly you're going to
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  argue with her. If you tell me that I offer a
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  small mouthful, I'm coming for you.
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  All right, The. Very thought hadn't even crossed
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  my mind. Yeah.
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  You'd never flirted with a man before this call, weren't you?
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  And now here you are, episode 4 of Stones of Blood.
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  She's scratching her head with that screwdriver again.
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  What do you imagine is all that sort of purple swirly gas
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  outside the window there in Harbour Space?
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  That is a very deep and scientific question, Joe, and
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  I'd never thought of that before in my life.
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  That's got to. Be into this position but I need
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  an answer. It's it's rather like what what
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  was the film where the Enterprise confronts God and
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  there's all that swirly gas in space?
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  It reminds me of that. Maybe it's just a load of old
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  gas. Why are you looking at me when
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  you say it's a load of old gas? A load of old gas.
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  Is it because I'm the only person on the zoom?
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  Call. That's fair.
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  All right, I'll take it as that. Yeah.
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  Oh, so the justice machines, they've literally murdered all
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  the people in the cells, right? They've considered them all
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  guilty. OK, so we need to find a way to
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  identify and incriminate Cesare of diplos.
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  Yeah. What do you imagine it'll be?
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  You know, blood types, things like that.
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  She does like a blood type, don't she?
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  Or is it citrid acid? That's right.
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  Oh, because she she avoids what is it gin and tonics and things
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  like that. Doesn't she say lemonade and
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  lime? Yeah, I'd say they're doing a
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  really good job though with because obviously them sparkly
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  bits are not there when they're filming, but they're doing a
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  good job of looking in the same area whilst they're acting.
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  I think the effect of the Magara is really nice as well.
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  Yeah, I I hear they were going for something a bit more
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  sophisticated. And they were going for a a Star
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  Warsy thing, wouldn't they? With a with a floating sphere.
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  But I really like, I just really like the twinkly lights that
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  when they talk, they get bigger and smaller.
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  Yeah. It's more Doctor Who, isn't it?
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  Like Doctor Who shouldn't be Star Wars.
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  It's 2 totally different universes, aren't I?
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  Oh. Please.
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  Well, I don't. Think you could ever crossover?
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  Why would you say that to me, Glenn?
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  What are the top 3 differences between Star Wars and Doctor Who
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  universes? Oh my, you just.
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  Stated it as a fact there. They're, they're, I don't know,
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  they're just, pardon the pun, but they're worlds apart.
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  In a Galaxy far, far away. Far, far away in hyperspace.
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  I mean, you could. I just don't think the two would
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  work together. I don't know why can't see.
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  Tom Baker and Han Solo going on an adventure together.
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  It just wouldn't happen, would it?
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  Or Rumford sitting in the cantina on my side.
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  I would love to see that though. Yeah, it's just two totally
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  different. Imagine.
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  Oh yeah. What's his name?
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  Greedo. The assassin.
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  Imagine. Oh, aren't you a strange little
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  fellow? Put that gun away now.
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  Yeah. Oh, she'd love R2D2, wouldn't
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  she? Yes, Amelia Rumford and R2D2.
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  Now you are talking boy. But I think I think Star Wars is
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  a bit more black and white in its portrayal of good and evil.
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  And I don't want to say it, but it's because it sounds like I'm
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  dissing Doctor Who, but I'm not. It's more glitzy, whereas Doctor
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  Who's more homely. And there's space in in genre,
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  isn't there for both of those, I think.
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  Yeah. But, and I think Doctor Who's
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  scarier than Star Wars. Oh, Death.
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  Yeah, yeah. Star, Star Wars.
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  There's. I don't think there's anything
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  scary about Star Wars really, apart from when you get into the
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  deep politics of it. But.
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  But I think that Star Wars is more exciting and pacey than
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  Doctor Who. Yeah.
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  I mean you're the You're the Lucky 1 because you're a fan of
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  both, so you get the best of both worlds.
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  Yeah, I think you say it's more pacey.
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  I think in regards to the films it is.
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  But there have been some Star Wars serials that have been
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  dull. What?
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  What are you talking about there?
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  So what's the top three dullest Star Wars serials?
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  Top three dullest yeah would be the acolyte.
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  OK. I I did not enjoy that at all.
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  I don't. Know what that is?
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  But go on. Yeah, the skeleton crew wasn't
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  very. It was fast-paced.
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  It was. I mean, it's probably only
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  really then two that I'm not keen on.
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  I mean, Andor was absolutely brilliant.
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  I loved Andor. I rely.
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  Obi Wan. Obi Wan was good, yeah.
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  Bob Affett I don't think got a fair, fair chance.
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  I think when Bob Affett came out Mandalorian was massive and Bob
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  Affett halfway through the series turned back into
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  Mandalorian to me. I don't think Bob Bob Affett
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  could have been so much more. I mean, I'll say something about
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  Star Wars. It's still going and I don't
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  know how Doctor Who is at the moment.
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  No, no. But I mean, Star Wars has got, I
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  suppose, a bigger bucket to keep dipping into.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, and also, you know,
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  that enormous bloody theme park, and they're making a lot of
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  money out of Star Wars. They are but.
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  You don't get scenes like this of being a Rumford in her living
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  room trying to find evidence to expose Sasir of Diplos.
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  Exactly, and as much as I love Star Wars, I would rather see
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  this. Star Wars doesn't give you a hug
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  like that, does it? No, it doesn't.
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  Star Wars is just the wow wow factor.
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  Spectacular, basically like a battle in space, explosions and
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  bright lights. This is this is more homely
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  cosy. Sometimes there's space for
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  going down those exhaust ports and blowing up the Death Star,
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  and other times there's time to sit and have sausage sandwiches
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  by the fire whilst 2 campers are turned into emaciated skeletons.
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  Exactly. I've got sometimes that quite
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  well actually. That was that was, that should
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  be the the thesis for this episode.
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  Star Wars V Doctor Who. Space for all, let's say.
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  Yeah. Oh, why is she looking like
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  that? What does that look for?
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  That that was almost a Harry H Corbett look.
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  Yeah, or, you know, straight out the camera you have been
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  watching Doctor Who. Starring Beatrix, Lehman and
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  Susan. Engel.
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  OK, now. Oh, I see.
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  I remember what he does. He gets himself knocked out,
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  doesn't he? And her.
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  And he goes, my God, you know, you've got a So he has himself
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  executed. She gets knocked out and he goes
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  right quick. You better see if her brain
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  cells have been damaged. You've just hurt her.
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  It's quite clever actually. Now that that bit of equipment,
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  computer, whatever you want to call it, behind her, as in the
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  semicircular bit, you can spot that throughout so many Jerry
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  Anderson shows and so many Doctor Who episodes.
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  Was there a lot of props and sets and things that went from
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  one to the other? Between Yeah, because I think
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  even one of the Sonic screwdrivers was used as to make
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  a rocket or some sort of ship or something.
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  I do remember in one of the documentaries, Matt Irving said
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  that they bought out a load of Jerry Anderson spaceship models
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  and they sort of cannibalised them and then made new
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  spaceships out of them and things.
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  But you've got to be a deep, you've got to be a deep Jerry
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  Anderson geek to be able to spot a recannibalised spaceship.
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  How deep are you, Glenn? That's pretty much up to me
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  neck. Yeah, that's.
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  As deep as you can get. I can.
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  I can see that computer there behind her on Moon Base Alpha as
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  we speak. Oh my God, moon base.
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  Is that space 1999? Yeah.
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  Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.
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  The music's brilliant. Yeah.
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  Oh, look, I'm going to spin round like Barbara Bay.
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  Are you ready? Without a single expression on
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  my face. Excellent.
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  Who has least expression on their face?
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  Yeah, Barbara Bain in Space 1999 or Gates McFadden in Star Trek?
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  The Next Generation, I think. That's a tough one.
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  Yeah, I reckon Barbara Bain might just edge in front of that
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  one. Barbara Payne's doing.
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  What did you say? It didn't.
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  It didn't take long, did it, for the old age to come in.
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  Soon as I said that, I thought. Barbara Payne, get away from me,
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  please. For God's sakes, control
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  yourself, woman. Actually, which doctor would you
• 24:18
  rather have, you know, perform surgery on you?
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  Doctor Crusher or whatever her name is in Space 99.
• 24:34
  You get all the tough questions here on.
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  Hamster. It's going to be Doctor Crusher,
• 24:38
  I think. Oh, you like a redhead deer?
• 24:41
  I like a redhead is. Your wife a redhead?
• 24:44
  No. Well, let's hope she don't
• 24:47
  listen to this then. I don't think there's much
• 24:50
  danger of that. If she don't watch the shows.
• 24:58
  She might be listening to the EastEnders podcast though.
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  She might well be. I mean, they must have at least
• 25:04
  one listener somewhere. You bitch, I'm sure there's an
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  enormous fandom out there for EastEnders.
• 25:14
  They must be. He's been going a while, isn't
• 25:16
  it? They're called the Get Out of My
• 25:18
  Pub crowd, yeah. Yeah.
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  Oh bloody hell. There it is.
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  You know Tom will throw himself about the set like that,
• 25:27
  wouldn't he? He will.
• 25:30
  Canine shooting the ugly man, it's just the best now.
• 25:36
  I like the way that Tom forced to the floor sort of ramshackle
• 25:40
  and Vivian Faye decorously sort of looking every inch the queen
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  there. What else have we seen her in?
• 25:53
  I've definitely seen her in like A Midsummer Murders and she does
• 25:57
  like sun Sunday night TV. I've seen her do it, but she's
• 26:00
  done a lot of theatre as well. She reads the audio book you
• 26:04
  know is. She.
• 26:07
  Yeah, really well as well. I never never really got on to
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  the audio book Big Finish wagon. I think when Big Finish first
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  started, I, I, I think I probably bought 3 or 4.
• 26:22
  Then it just went crazy, didn't it?
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  And then it's not. I'm not.
• 26:26
  I'm too old now to catch up with all that.
• 26:29
  I don't normally do this sort of thing, but I'm going to give you
• 26:31
  some life advice. Yeah, there really isn't space
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  either in your walls there, which is taken up with Star Wars
• 26:38
  figures, or in your bank account to have Star Wars and Big Finish
• 26:43
  in your life. No, I couldn't all time.
• 26:47
  All time. Yeah, Yeah, you're too busy
• 26:49
  listening to this bullshit. For God's sake, come.
• 26:53
  On now. You could be listening to
• 26:54
  professional actors doing their stuff.
• 26:57
  Well, that's just more fun, isn't it?
• 26:59
  Yeah, well, I mean, I, I like to think so, but yes, indeed.
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  Do you know, I've only just realized, you know, all that
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  makeup is all over her tits. I hope it was a female makeup
• 27:13
  designer. That took you a while to notice
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  that, Joe. Yeah, I didn't take you too long
• 27:19
  though, did it? I don't look at ladies like
• 27:25
  that. Good grief.
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  I mean, except Linda Baron, but you can't miss.
• 27:29
  Them you can catch you. Captain Rack's rack is amazing.
• 27:36
  Oh, look at his. Face.
• 27:39
  Actually, that could be that you have been watching bit, couldn't
• 27:41
  it? You've.
• 27:42
  Been that was brilliant. Susan Engle Oh, do you know the
• 27:48
  behind the scenes bit here where he grabs the necklace and on the
• 27:53
  first take the catch didn't do and he dragged her by the
• 27:57
  necklace? Oh dear.
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  Yeah, that's why she looked a bit scared that time.
• 28:05
  That was Take 2. Understandably so, I.
• 28:10
  Mean, this is sort of horrible. She's just been turned into an
• 28:13
  enormous rock. This is this is like a bit of
• 28:17
  Children of the stones in there. Do you like that?
• 28:21
  I love. It and.
• 28:26
  Then I'm like, my God, what's Blake doing here?
• 28:33
  That's the sort of serious drama he wanted to do after, you know,
• 28:36
  leaving Blake 7. Or was it before?
• 28:38
  I'm not sure. I think it might have been
• 28:41
  before mine. Actually, I think you're fine.
• 28:43
  You know Garen from the Rebus operation is in Children of the
• 28:47
  Stone. Is he?
• 28:50
  I can't. I'll never let you forget that
• 28:53
  you said that at the start of this call.
• 28:55
  All right. I've got I've got a question for
• 29:00
  you then just saying that saying there what weird question, but
• 29:04
  what's your favorite TARDIS prop?
• 29:07
  Which one? You mean the actual TARDIS?
• 29:11
  The actual the actual exterior, the police box, because there
• 29:15
  there's. No, I think it's the 80s one.
• 29:19
  It's around sort of Collins time, the the 80s.
• 29:22
  One, yeah. Gorgeous.
• 29:24
  But I really like Jodie's as well.
• 29:27
  So yeah, I've got one for classic A new What about you?
• 29:31
  This one, that's what reminds me is this one here it's the the
• 29:35
  exterior. I know because this is the one
• 29:37
  that's looks nothing like a real police box, but to me, for some
• 29:42
  reason, that's just my favorite. And the interior, it's such a
• 29:47
  squat little, little police box, but I love it.
• 29:50
  I've got a similar sort of question for you, actually.
• 29:53
  Why didn't Amelia Romford wear a bra during this scene?
• 29:57
  Well, this is a question that has often passed through my void
• 30:05
  in my head many a time, and I've never.
• 30:07
  Often, you say Often. OK, but I've I've never had
• 30:11
  anyone that looks like a quark sitting there, doesn't it?
• 30:15
  It does. I've never had even more low.
• 30:20
  Budget than the originals, yeah. You don't cut the door on the
• 30:24
  front. I like to think she's just a
• 30:27
  woman of the world. You know she don't need a bra.
• 30:31
  She don't. She might have been in a hurry.
• 30:34
  Well. I mean, no one was going to
• 30:35
  argue with her and tell her, were they?
• 30:37
  Not with a truncheon error, and no, although she does have her
• 30:42
  academic career to think about, doesn't she?
• 30:46
  This is true. This this this being the height
• 30:49
  of her career, obviously. How much of A joy is that story?
• 30:54
  I've got a joy like. Oh my God, it's so great.
• 30:58
  Well, now look, I I've put you in the disadvantageous position
• 31:04
  of having to list so many top threes throughout this last two
• 31:08
  hours. Now you have to list your three
• 31:11
  fabulous things to recommend the Stones of Blood.
• 31:15
  Now you go first. I'll jump in after you and we'll
• 31:17
  go back and forth, all right? Yeah, well, I feel one of us is
• 31:22
  going to say it, so I'm going to jump in and say it first.
• 31:26
  It's got to be Amelia Rumford. Oh.
• 31:28
  You bastard. Yeah, go on.
• 31:31
  Why? Why?
• 31:32
  She steals the show. She she absolutely steals that.
• 31:40
  And I cannot imagine anyone else doing that.
• 31:44
  What she did. There's nobody else I don't
• 31:48
  think could have done that. So yeah, I'm going to go with
• 31:50
  her for the first one. I think it's her last job, you
• 31:53
  know, it's her last job as a actress.
• 31:56
  Yeah, I was going to say earlier, like when we were
• 31:59
  saying about the height of her career.
• 32:00
  I can't think of anything after that she was in.
• 32:04
  I mean, I can imagine her being in something like Howard's Why
• 32:07
  or something like that, but I can't remember seeing her in
• 32:09
  anything else. Well, yeah.
• 32:13
  Martha's 1 is going to be just the stones, man.
• 32:17
  The stones of blood dragging their asses around the English
• 32:21
  countryside and sucking people dry.
• 32:24
  I mean, it's the most doctor Hooray idea you could possibly
• 32:27
  have. Because they're simultaneously
• 32:30
  extremely sinister and a bit shit.
• 32:36
  Yeah, but that's Doctor Ho. It is what sinister and shit.
• 32:40
  It's, it's, it's extremely great and a bit shit.
• 32:46
  Well, what's that? What might say, I'm going to say
• 32:49
  Mary Tam, I think, or Ramana. I thought you might.
• 32:52
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:54
  Because I I've in all the key to time, obviously it's my favorite
• 32:59
  story. I think this is the one where
• 33:01
  she she shines the most to me. She's she's such an authority
• 33:08
  and she's it just makes such a nice change to have a companion
• 33:15
  on the screen that's not screaming and kicking and asking
• 33:20
  stupid, dumb questions. And all right, you got to be
• 33:24
  aware she's hanging off the Cliff.
• 33:25
  But you know, we can live with that.
• 33:30
  So few classic Doctor Who stories can ace the Bechdel
• 33:34
  test. That's two women having a
• 33:35
  conversation that's not about a man, and the Stones of Blood
• 33:39
  does it about four times. And it's so rare.
• 33:43
  I mean, we've just come out of Hinchcliffe where you're lucky
• 33:45
  in a season, if you have a woman apart from the companion in any
• 33:48
  of the stories, to have Amelia and Vivian, Faye and Romana all
• 33:54
  in one scene to it's just gorgeous.
• 33:56
  Yeah, it is. It's it's a refreshing change
• 33:59
  and it's bloody good TV that's. Right.
• 34:02
  Well, OK, my second one then is going to be just the whole set
• 34:06
  piece of. At the start of episode 3, in
• 34:10
  the course of science and then him doing the ball fighting, I,
• 34:14
  I just. Think that to me is Doctor Who.
• 34:17
  It isn't taking itself too seriously.
• 34:19
  It is a little bit creepy. It's well filmed.
• 34:23
  I mean, even Dottie Simpson gets in it right where he's like,
• 34:30
  it's just blissful. So just that set piece is my #2.
• 34:35
  Yeah, excellent stuff. I think for my third one, it's
• 34:41
  got to be just the way it transitions from the hammery
• 34:47
  horrory into the science fictiony, like 2-2 separate
• 34:53
  stories connected into one. And it's it's well done as well,
• 34:58
  the way they do it and believing.
• 35:01
  Dangerously close there to being Steven Moffat.
• 35:04
  Hammery, Horrory. Sorry, be fictiony.
• 35:10
  I'm not going to say it. I nearly said it, but I won't
• 35:12
  say it. Is there any, is there any of
• 35:16
  that? And it's not really that, well,
• 35:17
  I suppose hyperspace is sort of a bit, you know what?
• 35:22
  Yeah. Yeah, it is.
• 35:25
  Well, my last thing then is going to be because I think
• 35:28
  everyone gives them a hard time. It's just the Megara.
• 35:31
  I just think as a visual, it's fun and quirky.
• 35:34
  They're great comic performances from the two actors playing
• 35:37
  them. And it just allows Tom to just
• 35:40
  vamp on the screen and be funny and silly and, and just, you
• 35:44
  know, masterful. Tom is the master of comedy, I
• 35:48
  think at his best. And those scenes where we
• 35:51
  basically savage the legal system, it's just glorious.
• 35:56
  And you can tell Tom's enjoying himself.
• 35:59
  Yeah, well, he's already having a great time with old Beatrix
• 36:01
  Lehman, isn't? He.
• 36:03
  Even though she's telling him off a bit.
• 36:05
  Yeah, but I think he kind of likes that, really.
• 36:08
  Maybe you should come onto hamster, you know, and do that
• 36:10
  to me, Joe. Now don't look.
• 36:12
  This is not what we discussed, You know, are you going to do it
• 36:14
  like that? Yeah, I'll be.
• 36:17
  I'll be Brumford. Can you beat the Beatrix Lehman
• 36:20
  of a hamster? A blood pen knife.
• 36:23
  I could give it a go. Many have tried Glenn.
• 36:26
  Many have tried. Many have failed.
• 36:30
  Can I say an enormous thank you for coming on today, for talking
• 36:33
  about your story as well, because that I love hearing
• 36:36
  everybody's sort of personal journeys for enjoying this story
• 36:40
  with me. And just to open your opening
• 36:43
  yourself out to enjoying Doctor Who with somebody else.
• 36:47
  I think it's just a wonderful thing.
• 36:50
  You're you're most welcome and thank you for asking me because
• 36:55
  like I said earlier, it's been nearly 30 years since I've
• 36:58
  watched Doctor Who with someone else.
• 37:01
  Yeah. Has it been a chore?
• 37:03
  It's been a good laugh, is what it's been.
• 37:07
  I'm not lying when I say I've got jaw right.
• 37:09
  Can I? I don't want you coming at me
• 37:12
  this afternoon whinging that your face is hurting because I
• 37:15
  made you laugh. All right, that is your affair.
• 37:17
  Get some painkillers in. What I am going to say is if
• 37:21
  people should wish to find you online, as if you want these
• 37:25
  weirdos that are listening to find you online, where?
• 37:28
  Where would they find you? I will be on Blue Sky just under
• 37:33
  Glenn Fitzgerald. I mean I am on Instagram but
• 37:38
  that's mainly just my model stuff.
• 37:41
  Oh, I'm going to go and have a look.
• 37:44
  That'll be cool. What the hell is that called?
• 37:48
  Canon? Canon Lane micro layouts.
• 37:51
  And I'm on Facebook as well, but that's more just military
• 37:54
  history stuff. So for Doctor Who and horror
• 37:58
  films and things, I'll be on Blue Sky under my name.
• 38:01
  Can you hear this man? Military history, models, Jerry
• 38:05
  Anderson, horror movies, Star Wars?
• 38:08
  Doctor Who? Man oh man, what a pleasure it
• 38:11
  has been to get to know you today.
• 38:13
  Well, thank you very much, but Doctor Ho is my #1 so I'll drop
• 38:18
  everything else for Doctor Ho. One more question to ask you,
• 38:22
  Mr. Glenn Fitzgerald. Where are we going next time?
• 38:28
  Well I'd be honoured if there's a next sign.
• 38:33
  Don't know, maybe some a bit. Colin Bakery.
• 38:36
  Oh please, please, anything. Although I have done time Lash
• 38:41
  and revelation of the dialects recently and trial actually.
• 38:44
  Oh man, there's only actually a couple I haven't.
• 38:47
  Oh, I mean, could we do vengeance on Varos?
• 38:50
  That could be a lot of. Fun vengeance on Varos.
• 38:53
  Would you rate the murders with me?
• 38:56
  Oh hell yeah, that would be quite.
• 38:58
  Fun, wouldn't it? You can't deny that would be
• 39:03
  brilliant. And it would give you a chance
• 39:06
  to Polish your helmet. I yeah, I can quite often sit
• 39:12
  there in the afternoon polishing that.
• 39:17
  Oh my God, It's a big old helmet, Joe.
• 39:19
  It takes a while. Well, that's good to know.
• 39:23
  That is, you know, good. You're going to be inundated
• 39:25
  with PMS now, I'll say Glenn. Thank you so much for your time
• 39:31
  today, it's been a joy. Most welcome.
• 39:34
  Thank you for inviting me, it's been a pleasure.