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Terroir, Nature vs Nuture, and Mimicry · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 33 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: All right, we will do a word that I heard recently and actually did not know what it meant and I had to look it up myself.
• 0:45
  I Hate Talking: So it is the word.
• 0:47
  I Hate Talking: The roar Teoror.
• 0:53
  I Hate Talking: Can you use it in a sentence?
• 0:55
  I Hate Talking: Let's see if we can find it used in a sentence.
• 0:58
  I Hate Talking: Sometimes Torre and varietal character went over technique.
• 1:03
  I Hate Talking: We like these wines to represent their terroir, their soil, their vineyard.
• 1:09
  I Hate Talking: Um, OK.
• 1:11
  I Hate Talking: So, using it in a sentence like that, I would think it means like a cultural thing or regional thing.
• 1:19
  I Hate Talking: Toro would be representative of your region.
• 1:24
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 1:25
  I Hate Talking: Yes, it's starting to get at the definition.
• 1:29
  I Hate Talking: So from the Oxford language dictionary, a roar is the complete natural environment in which a particular wine is produced, including factors such as the soil topography and climate, um, and it also, while typically used in relation to wine, and that is where I first heard of the term in a description of a wine.
• 1:49
  I Hate Talking: Uh, it also appears to have been more generally used in terms of other beverages.
• 1:56
  I Hate Talking: And spirits and things of that nature that are produced from different regions.
• 2:01
  I Hate Talking: So it's basically the all inclusive particular environment that produces said wine or spirit.
• 2:09
  I Hate Talking: So it's always like a beverage, like an alcoholic beverage.
• 2:13
  I Hate Talking: Yes, it's can be used more generally.
• 2:16
  I Hate Talking: It's actually a French term, so just like our poutine being French, maybe there's some French language etymology that is either not as well known or maybe more difficult to understand, but it basically comes from a French word that means land, and it can be more broadly used to describe any environmental factors that affect the crop.
• 2:41
  I Hate Talking: But typically because it is related to land and the production of something from the land, it's going to be in some form or fashion agricultural in nature or in this case, wine.
• 2:53
  I Hate Talking: OK, cool.
• 2:54
  I Hate Talking: I think I looked up one time a non-alcoholic Thanksgiving drink.
• 3:00
  I Hate Talking: Cause Thanksgiving's coming up.
• 3:02
  I Hate Talking: I was like, hey, this would be really fun to make like a fun festive drink for dinner.
• 3:06
  I Hate Talking: And now every time I'm on Instagram, they're giving me all these recipes.
• 3:12
  I Hate Talking: I mean, they look amazing, and most of them are non-alcoholic or you can add stuff to them if you want, but would that be, if I'm using my local homegrown produce to produce these, would that be a, what's the word again?
• 3:27
  I Hate Talking: Not terrain, what is it called?
• 3:29
  I Hate Talking: It's a roar.
• 3:31
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we can ask our friend, um, somebody who listens to the pod, is going to Europe in a couple days, so maybe we can ask her if she hears about it.
• 3:41
  I Hate Talking: My kids, even today, we were chatting with her, and we mentioned Europe, and they were so excited for her, and they wanted to bombard her with a million questions.
• 3:54
  I Hate Talking: I was like, let's let her enjoy her vacation, and then we'll have her over or something and ask her a million questions afterwards.
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: But one of the cutest was one of my, our kids was like, Is she gonna go to New York?
• 4:06
  I Hate Talking: And then the other was like, no, that's in America, that's not Europe.
• 4:10
  I Hate Talking: But it was such a sincere question.
• 4:13
  I Hate Talking: They were so excited to know she was going to see New York City on her European trip.
• 4:18
  I Hate Talking: Maybe she'll enjoy some her war while she's over there.
• 4:23
  I Hate Talking: Well, it's not a kind of wine.
• 4:25
  I Hate Talking: It is a description of the basically environment that produced the wine in terms of the climate and topography and whatever makes that land where the grapes are grown and processed special for that particular harvest.
• 4:43
  I Hate Talking: So I could say like the roar of this wine.
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  I Hate Talking: is exceptional.
• 4:50
  I Hate Talking: No, I think it has more to do with what actually produced the wine.
• 4:55
  I Hate Talking: It's the, not necessarily a specific location.
• 4:59
  I Hate Talking: It's not specifically an altitude, it's not specifically whether it is a temperate Mediterranean region.
• 5:06
  I Hate Talking: It's all inclusive of all those things and when all those things are combined in such a way that is specific to just that one location where the grape is produced.
• 5:17
  I Hate Talking: That that is the definition of your war.
• 5:20
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 5:21
  I Hate Talking: So, we'll talk a little bit about the terroir of humans as well.
• 5:28
  I Hate Talking: So, does the particular location, climate, Or Land that you grew up in have an impact on who you are as an adult.
• 5:41
  I Hate Talking: Oh wow, yeah, well, good job.
• 5:44
  I Hate Talking: Look at that.
• 5:44
  I Hate Talking: That's interesting.
• 5:45
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely is um a nature versus nurture.
• 5:51
  I Hate Talking: Like, is that kind of where we're going at for that then, right?
• 5:54
  I Hate Talking: You picked up what I was laying down.
• 5:58
  I Hate Talking: I definitely think it's both.
• 6:00
  I Hate Talking: But I want to hear what you think about it first.
• 6:05
  I Hate Talking: So I agree.
• 6:07
  I Hate Talking: I think that oftentimes in a lot of particular sciences that there is a Overemphasis of one single position over another and that that happens quite frequently, especially within the field of psychology that there is not necessarily one specific theory that is the one single theory.
• 6:33
  I Hate Talking: And likewise, I think that it is neither exclusively nature nor exclusively nurture that wins out in terms of how a person comes to be who they are, but that it is both and that they are pretty well equally weighted.
• 6:53
  I Hate Talking: I guess that is perhaps the nuances that maybe there is one more than the other that would win out in terms of its total impact.
• 7:02
  I Hate Talking: But likewise, when we consider the grape.
• 7:05
  I Hate Talking: Is it the soil or is it the climate, or is it the topography, or is it the care of the vineyard master and all the people that process that grape that produces the wine?
• 7:21
  I Hate Talking: And makes it a good wine or a bad wine.
• 7:25
  I Hate Talking: There's a study recently that I was hearing about talking about twins.
• 7:32
  I Hate Talking: They studied identical twins and whether they're picky eaters or not.
• 7:37
  I Hate Talking: And if you're considered a picky eater, you're much more likely if you had an identical twin, that twin would be a similar picky eater.
• 7:48
  I Hate Talking: But if they were fraternal twins or just siblings, There wasn't the same correlation with food preferences.
• 7:57
  I Hate Talking: And so they were trying to show their hypothesis was that it's some kind of genetic thing that makes someone a picky eater, someone who only wants chicken nuggets and french fries, versus someone who would eat an entire array of food.
• 8:14
  I Hate Talking: I think twins are an interesting concept that are frequently used within the study of psychology and some of these nurture versus nature debates because there's anecdotal stories that I've heard and have not really researched all that much of their validity, but looking at twins that were separated at birth and then were found to be related later in life and they had the exact same name of their wife and they had the same breed of dog and they lived in the same style of house and The amount of things that were.
• 8:47
  I Hate Talking: Either exactly the same or very, very similar was uncanny.
• 8:53
  I Hate Talking: But again, whether that is actually true or not remains uh.
• 8:57
  I Hate Talking: Yet to be validated for from our research, I suppose, and may not again hold true for all of the population, but an interesting anecdote nonetheless.
• 9:08
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I had a friend in college.
• 9:10
  I Hate Talking: She was adopted from birth.
• 9:12
  I Hate Talking: She never knew her birth parents or family.
• 9:16
  I Hate Talking: In college, she got interested in finding out who they were.
• 9:19
  I Hate Talking: Ended up, I mean, long story, she found a private eye, he found them, and she got to meet them.
• 9:28
  I Hate Talking: By this point, her birth mom had several other kids, and um I guess the birth mom was quite a bit younger when she had her, and then after that had a bunch of other kids.
• 9:39
  I Hate Talking: And their laugh was identical.
• 9:44
  I Hate Talking: And I forget exactly what it was, but there was some weird food mixture she loved that her siblings all loved, and there's no way that they would have known that cause I didn't know her her birth family at all.
• 9:56
  I Hate Talking: And I guess that would be used more in the nature side of things is that this is your nature because these people had very, very different upbringings and lifestyles since they were separate and nonetheless still enjoyed the exact same food or the same breed of dog or whatever the case may be in these examples with twins.
• 10:23
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 10:24
  I Hate Talking: Also, side note, how old do you have to be to watch the parent trap?
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: Cause that's like the premise in that story, right?
• 10:30
  I Hate Talking: Like, is that a show that we should show our kids soon?
• 10:33
  I Hate Talking: I think that's might be fun.
• 10:34
  I Hate Talking: I think there's a couple of different versions, right?
• 10:37
  I Hate Talking: Probably the older version, maybe more tame.
• 10:40
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 10:41
  I Hate Talking: Not the Lindsay Lohan.
• 10:43
  I Hate Talking: That's what I grew up with.
• 10:44
  I Hate Talking: I really thought Lindsay Lohan was a twin for many, many years, because I think I'm her age or around it.
• 10:52
  I Hate Talking: So I watched it when it came out and I really thought she was a twin.
• 10:56
  I Hate Talking: For the longest time.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: Uh yes.
• 11:00
  I Hate Talking: So, so we've made points for the nature part.
• 11:05
  I Hate Talking: What about nurture?
• 11:06
  I Hate Talking: What are some arguments you have for nurture?
• 11:09
  I Hate Talking: So, nurture, I think, will Be based on studies that show whether children have had a lot of positive experiences in their life or negative experiences in their life, and there is a psychological term that currently escapes me in terms of what those are.
• 11:29
  I Hate Talking: But if you've had a certain number of traumatic experiences as a child that you are then therefore more at risk for Dangerous behavior as an adult or crime or lack of success within the job market like the ACE score, -- is that what you're -- talking about?
• 11:47
  I Hate Talking: That would be it, yes.
• 11:48
  I Hate Talking: What is the acronym?
• 11:49
  I Hate Talking: What's ACE stand for?
• 11:51
  I Hate Talking: The ACE score, it stands for adverse Childhood Experiences.
• 11:56
  I Hate Talking: And then there's also probably not as fancy of an acronym, but I think there's also a positive instead of adverse score that has come about recently.
• 12:05
  I Hate Talking: Or if you have a certain number of positive experiences that this can negate or outweigh the negative experiences or the adverse experiences as it was said, and that.
• 12:18
  I Hate Talking: If you have a certain number of positive experiences that then therefore you will actually have a higher likelihood of being successful at a job or a person that does not have any particular run-ins with the law and and things like that.
• 12:33
  I Hate Talking: So from a statistical basis, it seems that there is some sort of nurture aspect in that from the fact on what your actual experiences and the outcome.
• 12:47
  I Hate Talking: Statistically, from those things either adverse or otherwise.
• 12:52
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah, I agree.
• 12:53
  I Hate Talking: Um, part of it, my agreement would just be like a philosophical agreement that I personally don't believe that you're born.
• 13:03
  I Hate Talking: Away, and then you're just like, condemned to be like that.
• 13:07
  I Hate Talking: Like, I'm a big believer in adoption, and maybe one day we'll go into our adoption story with our family planning that we attempted, but we're big believers in adoption.
• 13:21
  I Hate Talking: And so part of it's a philosophy, like, because we believe so strongly in adoption.
• 13:27
  I Hate Talking: I feel like it does have to be a lot of nurture.
• 13:31
  I Hate Talking: But also, I think that when you do see families that have adopted families that, like you said, the parents are maybe not biological, cause again, if it's biological, your argument maybe it's nature.
• 13:45
  I Hate Talking: But maybe a stepparent that was super involved and the children take on those traits and hobbies and characteristics of the stepparent.
• 13:54
  I Hate Talking: Or of the adopted parent, or of a close family friend sort of thing.
• 14:01
  I Hate Talking: I think um all that influences.
• 14:03
  I Hate Talking: Your upbriding and your beliefs severely.
• 14:08
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, and that's something that we talked about in some of our very early episodes and I think it was actually a word of the episode was elastic and the human psyche's ability to adapt and overcome certain scenarios or challenges or events that have to be overcome in their own life.
• 14:28
  I Hate Talking: And like you said, adapting to those particular situations that You can be elastic and you're not locked in to specifically one thing or the other thing from birth.
• 14:40
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, is this something that's similar to in reference to my kids.
• 14:45
  I Hate Talking: One of my children.
• 14:47
  I Hate Talking: His accent is very strong, based on where we live and who we're hanging out with.
• 14:55
  I Hate Talking: For a while, his um closest friend was very Southern, had a strong southern accent.
• 15:02
  I Hate Talking: And he had this accent that was adorable, but we don't, obviously hearing us, we do not have a Southern accent.
• 15:10
  I Hate Talking: So people would ask about it.
• 15:12
  I Hate Talking: There's just he spent all his time with his buddy.
• 15:15
  I Hate Talking: And then life situations change, and we no longer get to see this friend.
• 15:21
  I Hate Talking: And now he talks like a different friend.
• 15:23
  I Hate Talking: And I've had personal friends myself talk about how my voice changes also.
• 15:29
  I Hate Talking: When we lived in Pennsylvania.
• 15:32
  I Hate Talking: I guess I had uh an accent similar to that.
• 15:36
  I Hate Talking: And then when I had friends that I grew up with, Not that.
• 15:42
  I Hate Talking: That would probably be more of the nurture thing also, right?
• 15:46
  I Hate Talking: Like, picking up nuances and picking up habits, or the um inflections and stuff like that of those around you.
• 15:55
  I Hate Talking: I think that can probably be a very personal thing.
• 15:59
  I Hate Talking: Like, I know when I we're watching TV if I'm watching a show that has a lot of cuss words in it, I mean, we don't cuss, that's our Personal beliefs and preference, but words that I do not like will slip out of my mouth, easier if I'm watching shows that have those kind of words in it.
• 16:18
  I Hate Talking: Where you can be around the atmosphere, around other people that say those things or watch those things, and you don't have any inclination.
• 16:28
  I Hate Talking: Like it doesn't slip out like it does for me.
• 16:31
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and I think part of that is going into the mind's ability to fit in with their surroundings and that therefore you will in some form or fashion reflect behavior and speech patterns of those that you're talking to as a strategy to fit in and be part of the quote unquote tribe of that particular person or group.
• 16:57
  I Hate Talking: That you are talking to or interacting with or socializing with, whatever the case may be.
• 17:03
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 17:04
  I Hate Talking: I, maybe, so subconsciously, I'm trying to fit in and that's why I'm taking their voice inflections or phrases.
• 17:11
  I Hate Talking: Could be and perhaps the reason that I don't have as much of an issue with that is that I'm conscious of that, like if I use a particular phrase or A word that perhaps is used more within my workplace specifically or even just the local area that we find ourselves in that is not natural to me.
• 17:39
  I Hate Talking: I am very consciously aware of it and know that it's not natural, but I'm doing it still subconsciously, but like my conscious is aware of how my subconscious is behaving so that I can.
• 17:54
  I Hate Talking: Actually still experience that, but I'm consciously aware of what my subconscious is doing in the moment.
• 17:59
  I Hate Talking: Your conscience is aware of your subconscious.
• 18:03
  I Hate Talking: Yes, well, I think at least before I'm speaking, so I'm again thinking what I'm going to speak ahead of time.
• 18:11
  I Hate Talking: Now some of that is going to be generated I think from my subconscious, but my conscious is gating everything that my subconscious would speak on its own and being aware of whether that is my natural language or something that is being added in order to Do this adaptation to fit in.
• 18:30
  I Hate Talking: OK, but people that like myself and our son.
• 18:34
  I Hate Talking: or one particular son that's more inclined to take on the characteristics of those around us.
• 18:41
  I Hate Talking: Do you think that it's because we want to fit in, or is it just because we're influenced by those around us?
• 18:49
  I Hate Talking: There's no reason for that particular thing to happen.
• 18:53
  I Hate Talking: Why would it be strictly influence alone?
• 18:57
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 18:58
  I Hate Talking: See, this is like, is this just my subconscious, and I'm not aware of it.
• 19:02
  I Hate Talking: I am not making the choice of like, I want to be like this person, and that's why I'm talking like this.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: In fact, if you're using words, I would not want to use a word that I would consider inappropriate.
• 19:15
  I Hate Talking: But even like, there's friends that I talk with my hands a lot more frequently around than others.
• 19:22
  I Hate Talking: And it's not like uh oh they talk with their hands, so I'm going to do it too.
• 19:28
  I Hate Talking: It just seems to happen.
• 19:30
  I Hate Talking: So, are you saying that's still my subconscious trying to fit in, or is that just I don't know.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: I don't want to think that I'm just being influenced willy-nilly around whoever I'm with.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and I believe my presupposition in that is that.
• 19:47
  I Hate Talking: Action, whether it be realized or subconscious, is done.
• 19:54
  I Hate Talking: For some benefit.
• 19:57
  I Hate Talking: So whether it be a learned behavior from being around these other people or just something that again maybe you consciously want to fit in and therefore are mimicking these particular people that you're around.
• 20:13
  I Hate Talking: That one way or the other, there's still some benefit that is being derived either consciously or subconsciously from making that adaptation.
• 20:22
  I Hate Talking: Do you, as you self-proclaimed, not Do these, you don't pick up these habits.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: -- What do you feel like -- it's incorrect.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: I do pick up the habit.
• 20:34
  I Hate Talking: I'm just consciously aware of when they take place.
• 20:38
  I Hate Talking: But then you stop doing them, right?
• 20:40
  I Hate Talking: No, I would still do them because I.
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: Oh.
• 20:43
  I Hate Talking: -- So you do -- it and then you'd be like, oh man, I did that.
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: No, it's not necessarily something of regret.
• 20:50
  I Hate Talking: It's that I'm just aware that I'm doing this subconscious behavior and letting it flow through as in my mind, an adaptation that makes me fit in with the group that I am part of.
• 21:03
  I Hate Talking: OK, so you're doing it to fit in.
• 21:05
  I Hate Talking: I mean, that's my basic belief.
• 21:08
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if there's any actual validity to that, but I think it makes sense.
• 21:13
  I Hate Talking: And again, there would have to be some, even if it is a Basic human nature.
• 21:20
  I Hate Talking: Subconscious strategy, there would be some benefit to it, and I think it would be most logical to say that that benefit is just fitting in with the group that you're in, so that you are more cohesive and accepted by that group.
• 21:36
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 21:37
  I Hate Talking: So for me, we have a sweet friend.
• 21:39
  I Hate Talking: I love her so much, and she talks a lot with her hands.
• 21:43
  I Hate Talking: And I know that when I'm with her, I do it.
• 21:45
  I Hate Talking: And if I've spent time with her, The following days, I do it a lot also.
• 21:51
  I Hate Talking: I've so much so that I've put my hands in my pocket.
• 21:55
  I Hate Talking: Like, I'll catch myself and I put my hands in my pocket so I can't talk with my hands.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: So, would you be, like, is it to that level for you or how would you be able to control the impulse to Replicate what you're seeing and doing.
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: So I think either I'm consciously monitoring.
• 22:17
  I Hate Talking: What I'm saying before I say it.
• 22:20
  I Hate Talking: So I'm not Allowing my subconscious to completely override my speech faculties or talking with my hands, which I don't know if I've ever done that very much.
• 22:33
  I Hate Talking: Maybe when I'm describing something that is actually physical in nature with like a a length or a depth or height or something, maybe I would be using my hands, but again, that would be more from a practical aspect or maybe for emphasis, right?
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: But again, that would also be sort of a learned behavior like if I was giving a speech or Doing some sort of formal presentation where.
• 22:55
  I Hate Talking: Hand gestures would make it more impactful some way I'd actually practice those things and.
• 23:01
  I Hate Talking: Have those things again planned out from a conscious perspective level first, or there is occasionally sometimes where that will slip out and not.
• 23:12
  I Hate Talking: Be consciously regarded before I speak or do whatever the particular.
• 23:18
  I Hate Talking: Habit or mimicry is, and I will still catch myself and realize that that is not my natural disposition to do those things.
• 23:30
  I Hate Talking: And perhaps reflect on it in the moment or at a later time and decide if that's how I want to behave or not and then take a more guarded approach in terms of preventing myself from using that particular word or phrase or action, whatever that particular thing was and therefore not do it in the future.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 23:54
  I Hate Talking: So you're saying that you are aware of your tour and you're choosing whether to utilize it or not.
• 24:03
  I Hate Talking: Is that true?
• 24:04
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps, yes, so.
• 24:07
  I Hate Talking: And I guess it goes back to the fact that our.
• 24:10
  I Hate Talking: The war changes over the course of your lifetime that there is a war during your formative years of your childhood and that perhaps that particular land that you grew up in with all of its Soil composition or topography or the care of your parents and some of those particular experiences whether they be adverse or positive.
• 24:37
  I Hate Talking: That then as a child still or young adult or an adult, you are in a different war.
• 24:47
  I Hate Talking: Your land has changed, you are among different people, you're among different culture that perhaps your your war of your own internal self will change and come to match that of wherever you are planted.
• 25:05
  I Hate Talking: Or you would still retain some of your original terror war from again those formative years of your childhood.
• 25:13
  I Hate Talking: Perfect, there you go.
• 25:14
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• 25:26
  I Hate Talking: All right, very good.
• 25:29
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I hate talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.